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☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9720[Last 50 Posts]

So uh, you've still not done something about the cancer that is the Discord still existing.

Can we get an ETA on when that's going to be shut down so that we can actually direct content to the site?

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9721

At this point they (and by they, I mean the administration, not the mods, who by and large agree the chat is a cancerous tumor), care more about the chat than the site - evidenced by the last 365 days of the sole admin (since Fen was clearly not an actual, equal partner with equal agency) doing approximately jack-shit despite lengthy, repeated appeals, pleadings, beggings, demands, debates, discussions, all asking for mostly the same things; but something going on with the chat? Shit they'll get on that. After blaming the team for all the failings for the entire time, a handful of those things are being done long after they'd have really made a difference, and long after his interest has waned completely - if it was ever more than just a single thread anyways, but hey, gotta defend the chat.

But you'll be ridiculed and mocked for raising this thread, for arbitrary reasons and because it's cool and edgy to scorn the site, especially at people who still inexplicably care about it despite being ignored for the last 12 months while having been right about virtually everything regarding the site's trajectory and what needed to happen. Because we didn't get what we bargained for, from day 1. Get used to it, I guess, and enjoy your chat-platform-of-the-month. And if you're expecting the mods to save you or rise up to challenge this unacceptable turn of events, don't hold your breath. If you wanted the site to be owned and caretaken for by an active, present, interested member of the community who most people would agree on rather than the opposite, or someone chosen arbitrary, you've been SOL for 5+ years.
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AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9722

Never. The chat pretty much represents the community as it is without filter. If you dislike the community as it is, you should just leave.

>>9721
Actually I think it's gotten to a point where it looks like it's people like Ember and you who don't give a real shit for the site. Of course they would like to pretend that they care, but they get so caught up in the way THEY think it should be that that they disregard what the majority clearly wants.

Yes you're right about some things but you're making the overall quality of the site go down with your relentless inability to accept it for what it is.
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AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9723

>>9722
You literally offered no reasoning whatsoever for the claim that he's the one who doesn't give a shit.

I'm pretty sure that "person who was actually in charge not doing anything" is the "doesn't give a real shit" in this equation.

Further, if we're going to have this farce about how the chat is the community then it then it should more accurately reflect that community's wishes, not be Astra's (someone completely arbitrarily chosen, far outside of agreed on terms) fiefdom, not even owned by the actual site ownership.

>quality of the site go down

The quality of the site outside of /site/ isn't any less as of late.
And "accepting it" = "giving up on any improving", which I guess the admin/owner has but is considerably harder for myself and some others who have actually still given a shit all this time and not been listened to, and are now dismissed because "well it doesn't matter anymore" and have you resigned types endlessly telling us to shut up about it. If you don't care, then you shut up about it. Go back to the chat and stop caring what anyone says about it here, if it doesn't matter, won't change anything, and you're the 'real' community. The hell do you care anyways?

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9724

>be told what needs to be done for a year and half
>don't do it
>everything goes as expected for not doing it
>blame the people who told you what should have been done
>once everything is too fucked to fix, dismiss them out of hand
>they get mad
>'lol these losers actually care about this how dare they get mad and harass me'
>pick up stakes and move away while still taking potshots at those people
cool

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9725

>>9723
Insulting people in the chat relentlessly and disregarding what makes people happy is a pretty good reason in itself.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9726

>>9725
Pretty sure "disregarding what makes people happy" isn't an argument your side wants to bring up but ok.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9741

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Bump.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9745

Don't hold your breath, Ember. It's owned by one admin and the other admin doesn't give a shit and will never even read this.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9750

Did they throw him out or something?

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9756

>open the chat
>first things I see:
>Milo Yiannapolous video
>"respect the confederate flag"
>"dumb antifas GTFO"
It's literally a tumor. These aren't even the reasons Ember hates it, but he's still right.
And also basically exists to be Astra's sandbox for his thirst-flirts
Other than meth-head neo-nazi shitposting it's just a revolving 3 to 5 people jacking each other off in banal chit-chat.
Whatever Macil wants to undo this bullshit, and I mean all of it, I'll give it to him.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9766

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Power Chord Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9767

Lot of anons in here.

Really makes you think.

Mac !RevGiOKgRoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9768

>>9766
Great contribution.

Mewtini!LELnin/wowCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9775

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>>9756
To be fair, it's an accurate reflection of Ponychan itself for the past year and a half.

🐈🐈UMR🐈🐈!SUCC/WBAqgCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9778

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>>9756
>Cmon guys stop making all the posts I don't like where I can't see them, just make them on the site

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9779

>>9778
Hm, or maybe

>this place that's allegedly designated as a place for people in the site, which it does in fact bill itself as, is actually pretty bad and filled with trash, and maybe i and others actually do want and would enjoy using said place for its actual purpose, since it does obviously have potential, but it clearly isn't living up to that designation or intent and something should be done, presumably by the people with the capacity to address this, but honestly the only 2 people in question are either A) largely absent and B) obviously not unbiased as it's their thing

Waifus are people too!YoRdlEjxQ6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9780

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>>9756
>Other than meth-head neo-nazi shitposting it's just a revolving 3 to 5 people jacking each other off in banal chit-chat.
I'm trying man. We at least have it controlled to one channel now. The nazi stuff I mean.

Dom The Bear!f1BearzjRwCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9783

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>>9780
Waifus aren't people, they're gods among men.

Mac !RevGiOKgRoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9786

>>9780
It still leaks out when Wesley shows up.

Waifus are people too!YoRdlEjxQ6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9789

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>>9786
I gave wesley an ultimatum today. Hopefully that'll be the end of things.

!tcSassyDEQCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9790

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yknow, all things considered, youd think that having the discord around wouldnt really be all that bad of a thing.

im seeing points here saying that the chat is a cancerous tumor, but also points that say people dont want that shit to infect the site and the overall non-complete-shitposting feeling they want it to have.

so uh, riddle me this

if deleting the chat to get rid of the cancer is what youre trying to accomplish here, wouldnt all that shit just pour out and into the site? im really seeing no downsides here

the people who wants to fuck around and meme at each other senselessly have a place to do so, while everyone else can use the site without dealing with it

i really dont see the issue here. complain about the people in there all you like, but its better kept in there than out here

quit yer whinin'

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9791

!tcSassyDEQCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9794

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>>9791
well, at that point its not even the chat you're complaining about, its the people in it.

and, gonna be a bit honest here, its a bit of a dumb thing to complain about.

"i want to use it but i dont like the people who use it. the people who use it should be punished or otherwise moved to make way for me and my friends" isnt exactly a compelling argument

regardless of whats going on in the chat, no rules are being broken in there. i see no point in moving people just because "x or y person doesnt like the way they act"

Robert James Duffield!huNTer/btACountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9795

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>>9794
The chat has never been required. The current admin made it back when he was a mod, termed it "official", and has sat idly by as people abandon the site to use the Discord.

I am of the opinion that the chat is unecessary and merely serves to pull content away from the site. The activity on the chat being termable as "cancer" is literally because an Instant Messenger style environment lends itself to faster but more inane exchanges as people don't put more thought into their words.

Removing kebab Discord would pull those people back onto the site where they would end up posting more intelligently due to the nature of a forum/imageboard environment vs. that of an IM.

!tcSassyDEQCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9796

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>>9795
i still fail to see how it pulls content from the site, considering, as you just put it, most of what's talked about in there is just unintelligible nonsense

and from what ive seen, most of the people who talk in the chat still post regularly, so it's not like it's even taking their attention. they're still active users of the site, so what's the deal

necessary or not, a chat is pretty much what ive described above; mostly just unintelligible nonsense as people talk back and forth about random shit. its not even what threads are for in most cases

i really see no downside

threads are still being made at no less a frequency than before the discord was created, all the stupid nonsense noone apparently wants to deal with are now kept out of the threads and the site, the people who actually want to shitpost wildly now have a place to do so, and all i see are complaints

complaints that, in my opinion, dont make any sense

and i dont even use the discord chat frequently

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9797

>>9794
>regardless of whats going on in the chat, no rules are being broken in there
Even the staff would disagree, have told me themselves they can't enforce what they need to because of administrative problems. You don't know what you're talking about and are commenting on things you have no frame of reference for.

!tcSassyDEQCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9798

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>>9797
well im certainly glad that one of my many points seeming a bit incorrect makes me not know what im talking about

but if youd like me to dig deeper on the subject, i certainly can

but also, considering in all my time in the chat so far ive only seen the rules be broken once, both of which had immediate mod or admin responses to them and didnt happen again, id say i know a bit of what im talking about

also considering that astra is around in the chat literally all the time, i find it a bit ridiculous to say that nothing in there can be enforced

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9799

>>9798
You don't have "many points." You have one point. That "it's fine in there by me so piss off with your complaints.

And yes, their complaints are literally about Astra.

!tcSassyDEQCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9800

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>>9799
i never said or implied anything that could come across as something so stupid and basic, but you're free to think what you wanna think, i suppose

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9801

once again Wesley barges into the middle of a normal decent conversation and shitposts as hard and as offensively as possible until it is completely derailed and all about him and/or the intentionally upsetting topic he has forced to be the new focus, and nothing was done about it.

Mac !RevGiOKgRoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9802

>>9801
>and nothing was done about it.

They said he had an ultimatum...

Mewtini!LELnin/wowCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9803

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>>9802
Ultimatums dont mean shit on a website where you can get off a permaban just by groveling a little bit

Waifus are people too!YoRdlEjxQ6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9804

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>>9801
did this fucking happen while i wasnt there? Christ, please ping a mod if shit is going down, I can't fucking baby sit the chat.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9805

>>9804
Give it up. There's no hope for that thing.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9813

>>9804
The staff doesn't want to moderate that chat. It's nothing but extra babysitting for no benefit and half of them already barely have the interest in the site, let alone babysitting Astra Bolt's personal chatroom for him. And since Macil is at best absent, nothing will change. Live with it or don't.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9839

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You know, I've had this thread around for a week and a half. It'd be really nice to know when our admins and mods are going to pull their heads out of their collective asses and actually get rid of the Discord to pull the people in it back to the site.

It's pretty sad when the new admin who says they're going to actually listen and take part in the community does absolutely none of that and instead just flirts with random people in an IM chat room.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9841

Thinly-veiled white-supremacy and insecure, autistic horny grown-ass manchildren soft-cybering each other and lusting after a 15 year old girl all day: The Chat. And of course feel smug as fuck, too; scornful of the site and those losers who still care about it, while they reflexively defend their... spinoff my little pony chatroom for flirting with other grown men and shitposting about libruls. Who cares what they do with it. It's a tumor but it's not here at least. Shame that what little administrative attention it gets is still more than we do.
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AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9846

>>9841
A gross exaggeration. I'll have you know that she is at least 16

Elicoor13Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9847

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you know, i got a discord account to check up on the chan's discord, but after reading this thread i'm kinda glad i didn't try to post there.

when did a site about ponies devolve into >>9801 ? like, i get this thread has a bunch of glaring faults in it because a lot of people here don't like it, but i'm honestly a little shocked this is what we've come to. not very, but it confirms theories i have that i didn't want confirmed.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9848

>>9847
And when you bring up someone like Wesley, the reply is "Well at least he's not on the site, right?"

The thing with that is that the Discord supposedly shares the same rules as the site. If you don't want him on the site, he shouldn't be in the Discord, either.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9849

>>9848
And the chat is allegedly supposed to be for the site.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9850

>>9849
I think Astra now thinks the chat is the site.

"Ponychan? Oh you mean the Ponychan Discord? Yeah, it's a rip-roaring good time where I flirt with you."

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9851

>>9850
Yeah, that sounds about right based on other mods assessment to me about it. His backup plan for Mac being absent, he just has the chat to be the site. Even if that were necessary, can't think of a worse choice to manage such a thing.

!.ZzGrellBsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9853

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>>9850

Dude you seem REALLY keyed in on the flirting thing more than anything else. Would you like to talk about it?

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9856

>>9853
Pretty sure that's only a recent addition to his complaints, but since you have nothing else to add, do go on with the projection.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9857

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>>9853
The flirting would be less of an issue if he actually did anything for the site, but he doesn't. The two changes that have occurred since he was promoted a month ago were actually written up by Nimble and Anonthony.

Literally the only thing he does is sit there in Discord and faff about with people online. There's no accountability, there's no push to improve the site, and there's nothing getting done.

I'm aware that Macil is a shit who doesn't do anything either and who blocks a lot of suggestions himself, but therein is a different problem for a different thread. Astra should never have been given a mod title, let alone made the admin because he has shown time and again that he spends as little time as possible doing his duty and as much time as possible fraternizing with random people in an IM chat that only exists because he made it and deemed it the "Official Ponychan Discord" without any user input or mod discussion. It is more than apparent that most of the mods of the site don't see it as useful, but he spends more time in the chat than he does on the site working to help users solve problems and making the site a better place.

The flirting is honestly secondary and would be zero issue if he got off his arse and actually worked towards making the site a better place.

Ferchrissakes he missed the site's anniversary, even.
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AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9858

>>9857
Missed it when a thread specifically asking what they were gonna do for it was made weeks ago

!.ZzGrellBsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9860

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>It's pretty sad when the new admin who says they're going to actually listen and take part in the community does absolutely none of that and instead just flirts with random people in an IM chat room.
<"Ponychan? Oh you mean the Ponychan Discord? Yeah, it's a rip-roaring good time where I flirt with you."

He even states that it's what he imagines Astra does all the time. It's weird that he's so hung up to mention it and then add an imagining to supplement the push.

But if you want me to contribute more than that, sure I can accommodate!

>>9857
>>9858

It's abundantly clear the userbase is the problem most, if not all the time. Nobody forces anyone to use the Discord just like nobody forces anyone to add new content or even post on /oat/ or /chat/. You can't force anyone to socialize just by pointing at them and saying: 'hey you shitpost here!'

Discord is a lot of fun and useful for gathering into groups of friends who have common interests, sure, but there's nothing stopping anyone from using the site. Discord's place to just talk about whatever, the difference being that instead of the thread remaining on the page to be seen by all hours of the day, the chats speed on by and whatever was said is lost to the log and time.

In that case there's certainly an argument for anyone who wants a lasting topic that won't disappear in a flood in inane chatting, which makes Ponychan a viable place to have that sort of pace.

The only thing Discord killed with certainty was /ooc/, a change that I saw a few people quietly wonder to themselves about the continued existence of when it was still around. All /ooc/ was happened to be the /gala/ of /rp/ and in that case all Discord is, really, functions as a /gala/ app for people to use.

Also:

>waiting until the day after the anniversary to whip around and complain the mods didn't do anything


The mods dropped the ball on celebrating, sure, but come on. If you guys cared you would have celebrated it on time. It just makes you as bad as them for letting it pass, and worse try to take the high ground as if you remembered in the first place. All it looks like is passive-aggressive posturing!

☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9861

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>>9860
I was exceedingly busy yesterday, what with work, sleep, and a few appointments. I wasn't on the computer more than in passing.

You're also missing the point. The problem here isn't the userbase, the problem here is Astra.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9862

>>9860
>>waiting until the day after the anniversary to whip around and complain the mods didn't do anything
>literally were reminding them weeks out
k

>'users are to blame for most everything'

>the userbase is to blame for macil's inattentions for the last year
>the users are to blame for the complaints we've raised about the chat that aren't related to astra's personal proclivities
>the users are to blame for someone fostering an environment that encourages serialization of the community outside of the site
>the users are to blame for the staff inability to do their jobs

>grell whiteknighting and playing apologetics: redux

>grell relating everything to ooc for some inane reason, as usual
when does this franchise end, it's definitely gotten stale.

!.ZzGrellBsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9863

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>>9861

Isn't the problem the drop of activity that's being blamed on Discord for existing and for Astra paying attention to it in the first place? You've been calling to delete the Discord group outright and make it a secondary point that Astra is responsible for it being cancer. And even still higher up in the thread Waifus already stated to have crammed the cancer down to one channel and gave Wesley a warning, which are actions being made to improve the Discord as a whole.

<Removing Discord would pull those people back onto the site where they would end up posting more intelligently due to the nature of a forum/imageboard environment vs. that of an IM


Users decide where they want to go or what they want to do, and like I said above the issues of activity are user caused. The stream of IM serves users a way to communicate rapidly with one another and spout off what they like, so there's activity that is less cerebral and more spontaneous like an actual flowing conversation.

Using the imageboard, unless you have a high user count, will be markedly slower but offer more time for well thought out responses or information-filled posts that otherwise would be lost in a stream of information passing by. Someone from 3am EST could see that someone 10pm PST had posted about something like a video game they played and it would still be feasible to be read hours later by people in different timezones. That's where the value of Ponychan posting comes in over the rapidfire IMing of Discord but it's a value that isn't appreciated.

Threads and topics that could cater to that aren't being made and threads which service the mindless spontaneity posting have direct competition with Discord, a service that operates quicker and more efficiently for that purpose. Asking to delete Discord also removes the snappy method of communication and forces users who might like or prefer that to returning to the slower forum posting with expectation of immediacy. At that point it's taking away a platform people like for convenience rather than a wholesome effort to improve activity in the floundering site as is.

>>9862

Reminding a few weeks in advance and still letting the date pass by without a peep just to play scorned critic to the mods sure doesn't seem like the action of someone who really cared about Ponychan imo.

I brought up /ooc/ in the context of how Discord is 'killing' Ponychan by relating it as being what did kill a board of Ponychan nobody outside of /rp/ used in the first place. I'm not sure how that's inane since it's relevant to the idea of Discord destroying activity, which happened to be in a board that typically stays in their own circles in the first place.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9864

>>9863
>strawman that the reminders weeks ago didnt also include more reminders leading up to the date
<hurf a durf
<grell's idea of capably defending points
>we need da chat so we can have an offsite serial
<hurf durf
>strawman that people with these frustrations arent trying "wholesome attempts to spur activity
<have quantifiably made more threads and posts than anyone else on the site for 2 weeks straight
<le hurfdurf
>the chat is good for the site and useful for stuff like keeping people in touch
<doesnt even get used to promote the anniversary, by the new admin who apparently runs both site and chat
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>>9863
Astra isn't directly responsible for it being cancer. Astra is responsible for it being a thing as he made it for selfish and underhanded reasons because he's a power hungry mess of ill-conceived notions that he has any ability to lead the site.

Furthermore, what has Astra done to benefit the site? His creation of the Discord has pulled people off the site for an experience that is plagued by racism and edginess akin to /b/ and /pol/. Despite the fact that there are new people in that Discord, no attempt has been made (or will be - this is Astra we're talking about. If it doesn't benefit him, he won't do anything.) to introduce these people to the site proper, where they might find a much more friendly and less edgy environment that a Discord literally plagued by a meth-addicted nazi, not to mention trolls and edgelords.

The Discord is not a place that shares the atmosphere of the site and too little has been done to support the site through it or to make it fit into the site as a whole. Astra made it with no input from any other mods or users, and has pushed it as important and required, much like his delusions of grandeur and ego. This has resulted in a chatroom that contains nothing but alt-right idiocy, Astra flirting with anyone that both talks and doesn't immediately shun him (in order to buff his own sense of superiority, no doubt... a pattern that has been seen by people who have worked with him in the past, like I have. The guy lies and cheats to get people on his side, then drops and villainizes them as soon as they don't do what he wants, as I have personally experienced).

Now on to Astra. Beyond what I've mentioned earlier, he has also done literally nothing to support the site since he was promoted. He has now, to date, released three "updates" to the site, none of which were pioneered by him. The first one was written by Nimble as Nimble has told me himself. The second one got rid of F - something I had been pushing for since I noticed F was no longer around... only to have him replaced by Rainbro, Rainbro, by the way, is someone who largely does not have time to moderate the site. He left originally because of that fact and has contributed exactly nothing to the community before or since his reinstatement as a mod. Ergo, the second update was a massive mistake and failure. Third update: Literally supplied by Thony. The only thing Astra did was change some wording (much to Thony's chagrin) and slap his own name over it. The up coming fourth update is something that was never Astra's idea and is only happening due to overwhelming community input on the matter. Naturally, however, he will slap his name on it and pretend it was his idea all along.

Astra has, therefore, done absolutely nothing for the site. He focuses on his little Discord chat almost exclusively, refusing to communicate with people here or to listen to, quite frankly, intelligent ideas. He was a poor choice to be a mod, because he prefers to be the strong arm behind very insular communities that he then focuses on to the exclusion of all other things in order to inflate his own self-importance, and he makes a terrible admin for that reason plus the fact that he's always been a power hungry prick with literally zero interest in the site as a whole. I've seen it with the Steam /oat/ group; I've seen it with his time as a mod, and now I'm seeing it with the site vs. the Discord.

To bring it around, the Discord needs to be shut down to remove the cancer, to force Astra to bring his attention to the site as a whole rather than on who he can hit on today, and to actually make things happen on this site. Ponychan is an imageboard, not an IM chat. It's time for the admin to start treating it like such, rather than be a selfish little brat who only cares about advancing his own views of himself.

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>>9884

The only things in there worth anything mention of how deleting the chat will erase the undesirable topics of discussion, generalizing the chat itself into being /pol/ 2.0, and the concern that 'new people' aren't being directed to Ponychan from the Discord server.

>>9864

Actually, neither of you addressed the points I made and instead launched into modes of ad hominem either against myself or Astra. The longtext actually does look impressive but it's completely ignoring the points I made in the previous post to attack, demean, and diminish.

Ember, you keep saying how you don't like the atmosphere of the Discord and vehemently reject the idea of it, and still blame it for the lack of activity on the site. Here's something of an anecdote from a former /oat/ user. I used to post on /oat/ a while ago too! But, I stopped because /oat/ wasn't fun anymore. A lot of the fun threads disappeared and everything turned into personal circlejerks revolving around specific people in the board, fostering a cult of personality in the vacuum that rolling threads, soft RP threads, CYOA, and general topic threads previously occupied. Kind of like a /chat/ lite almost except with more shitposting. The aftereffect of that was getting rid of sources of inspiration for creatives to pull off of, or relocating them to the very slow /rp/ where the weak vanished and the stubborn persisted.

To be honest I didn't like the personalities left in /oat/ enough to stick around and this was before /pol/ posting ever had become a thing at all. A lot of my content creation also ends up directed in /rp/ than any other board in the site and has been locked in there for a while now. I knew fellow artists who over time fell out of the ingroups left there and disappeared too, far too disenchanted with the idea of socialization of Ponychan and similarly lacking any interest in Ponies in general.

I guess in that vein you can blame moderation as it was the moderation at the time that had diminished and smothered that atmosphere to the behest of the remnants left with their reward for the purge.

Here's the kicker: I do art. This pony? I drew this, based on a friend's design from that godawful Ponymaker thing. Content creators are one of the missing creatures when they were prevalent back then and a bread and butter commodity for the lifeblood of the community. I'm very sure plenty of your pictures of the pony you post were also supplied by the people who frequented the site for fun that were also artists and liked the original /oat/ atmosphere too. There are plenty of images showing the incredible range of users that used to frequent the site, and just for /oat/!

Past moderation killed that atmosphere because it catered to an ingroup and the results are what we've been seeing in the following years: a gradual decline mixed with sheer apathy towards the thing that many of us came here for in the first place. Over time that apathy grew a bigger divide and overall enthusiasm kept shrinking. Now where there are methods and avenues to get rid of some of that atmosphere that had won out originally the time is right for a change in Ponychan, or at least a piece of it. It doesn't come without tarnished reputation though and it takes time to gain what was originally lost too.

In short: Ponychan's been busted for a long time and blaming it on Astra or the Discord attacks the symptom not the source of the disease. That's why I'm insistent on it being a user issue since plenty of the moderation issues have been removed since then.

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>>9892
Tldr, just gonna ignore everything you say as hard as both admins ignore the site

Thx

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>>9892
I've drawn much of the art of my pony; what you are capable of is not at all relevant to this conversation.

My views and criticisms of Astra are not ad hominem. They are the sum of actual experiences I've had in regards to him and my observations on how he acted on the site (since he's seldom actually around anymore due to his boner for all things Discord. Funny how our admin doesn't actually post unless someone makes his OP for him).

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As someone who's upset at a similar happening on Ponyville.us, I wanted to come here just to say I sympathize. I can't think of a solution to the issue that would be fair to everyone, but I hope it all works out. Good luck.

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>>9941
Thanks, PSP. We all more or less wish it could be fixed all together.

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>>9779
So if you don't want shit on the site, and you don't want shit on the Discord, then where is the shit supposed to go? Just ban every bad poster? Just always hold everyone up to the top notch beloved posting standards of Ember Storm if they ever want to communicate at all?

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>>9956
>"but we HAVE to have a place for shitty trash! where ELSE will it go!??"

who fucking cares where else it goes? we don't want it on either.

If you want a garbage chat for a bunch of fat lonely insecure NEETs to pretend to touch dicks, by all means, more power to you. But A) don't call it "le official ponychan chat :^)" and B) don't make the mods have to do the pointless, bullshit work of babysitting said softcore chat porn and C) don't act like it has any real association here, and just have and enjoy your little private serial-chat circlejerk in peace away from us.

Fuck Astra and fuck his chat, but you absolutely can have your chat, let's just not pretend it's something it's not. Either it exists to support the site or it exists to support itself. There is no inbetween and it can't serve both masters.

Meanwhile it doesn't matter anyways, because the administration and management of the site has become pure trash. If you don't care about the site, that's fine, care about your chat. Other people still want to care about the site, and it's kind of bullshit how people want to be like "well if you dont like the chat (the chat that presents itself as being for the people of the site) than stay out and dont tell us what to do with it," but people who dont like the site still come here and tell us to stop caring about it.
At any rate, Astra isn't gonna do shit, and no one but Shuckle is literally ever gonna do any moderation there (as above, they didnt sign up to babysit Astra's bullshit and expressly hate it as much as anyone), while the staff who still give a shit about this place (Fen, Mellow, TPWPF, maybe Nimble) struggle in vain to keep up some semblance of optimism and do their jobs here, while baldass cuck faggot Macil lets it rot while it could still be salvaged into some kind of acceptable long-term slow-but-still-enjoyable twilight years. If you don't care about that, that's fine, that's all up to you. But it seems you still enjoy posting here and outside of /site/ I actually personally like your posts and, I'm monumentally frustrated at the state of things and how this dumb fucking chat is managed so piss-poor and pretends that it's a site thing when it's absolutely not, to say nothing of how half the staff just flat out, publicly, point blank and bluntly agree that the administration is a mess and doesn't listen, and still nothing is done.
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>>9957
I mean you can't really criticize anyone for being biased when you're this angry tbh.

>garbage chat for a bunch of fat lonely insecure NEETs to pretend to touch dicks

like, if you want a valid response then you need to actually leave some room for me to do so
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>>9959
I don't see why not. Me being angry (I would say justifiably so), doesn't preclude me from pointing out anyone else's bias.
And I realize I've left you little wiggle room. It just doesn't even matter, and I'm barking at the dark- there'll be no response and nothing is going to change, about this or any other issue. It's also particularly mad frustrating that for the most part I don't care about the chat, but the suggestions I've given about it have actually been taken, and it's not half as bad as it was even very recently before I started off about it; adding server mods instead of just site mods (Shuckle was a decent choice and probably would have been on my list), but then the other choice was Eris, lmao. It's bullshit and ridiculous that I can get some influence to improve the chat but not jack shit on the site, which is what I actually care about. And I gotta sit here and hope/trust/believe in either Macil, who has shown himself to me to be completely out of touch and entractable, or Astra, who I have no reason to believe in or like and who's actions have amounted to) add rainbro (instantly disappears again) finally finish off shit that Nimble or I put together (and expect credit), make Eris a chat mod (lmao) and miss the site anniversary despite weeks of advance notice. Goddamn. Throw me a fucking bone here.
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>A) don't call it "le official ponychan chat :^)"
Why not?
>B) don't make the mods have to do the pointless, bullshit work of babysitting said softcore chat porn
I'm pretty sure they're volunteering for this work
>C) don't act like it has any real association here, and just have and enjoy your little private serial-chat circlejerk in peace away from us.
Well its made up of current and former Ponychan posters. And sometimes they discuss issues with the Discord on /site/. Like, I honestly don't see the problem. We had a Skype group for ages that basically did the same thing (until it was killed by some of the same boring people currently shitting up the Discord :c) and nobody got mad about that. Is it just the /site/ threads? Because I think there have been more /site/ threads from people demanding that the Discord be deleted than anything else, and that's much more annoying imo.

>but people who dont like the site still come here and tell us to stop caring about it

Those people's complaints aren't valid either. You're allowed to care about whatever, and those people will probably always exist until we take down the vaccination lobbies.

>the administration is a mess and doesn't listen, and still nothing is done

If the Discord was deleted right now, Macil would still be a worthless bum, Astra would still half-follow through on ideas someone else came up with months ago, and the half dozen threads on /site/ with zero staff response would continue to be ignored. Like I said, you're allowed to care, but maybe its time to just accept that things are going to stay fucked for the foreseeable future and just try to make the best of it, despite what's out of your control? You know, just make sure the people you care about are as happy as you can reasonably make them without shitting on a huge part of the site's population?

If you really care about Ponychan being run properly and efficiently and making sure that everything associated with Ponychan is held up to a higher standard than the Discord, then you're just going to drive yourself insane.

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>>9961
>I'm pretty sure they're volunteering for this work
I'm pretty sure this isn't what they signed up for.

>If the Discord was deleted right now

I was actually not in the camp of 'just delete it', I thought I had made that clearer either here or there at some point, but maybe my mistake in not specifying again. I don't necessarily think it should just be outright nuked even though some people might.

>Macil would still be a worthless bum

>Astra would still half-follow through on ideas someone else came up with months ago
>the half dozen threads on /site/ with zero staff response would continue to be ignored
Yes, all of this is true. So you can imagine my-
> care about Ponychan being run properly and efficiently and making sure that everything associated with Ponychan is held up to a higher standard than the Discord, then you're just going to drive yourself insane.
Yes, this is exactly what is happening and has been slowly happening for months.

I've driven myself fully insane about this with the really poor decision to care beyond any sane limit about it, and that maybe as much as anything is why I'm >mad. I've probably got too much lost cost and I'm chasing bad investment with good.

It just deserves better than this..
Even if I personally don't.
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>>9963
I was basically forced to stop caring about whether this site was being run properly or efficiently because it made me angry, and that made people dislike me, and that made me believe that most people actually think they want the site to be this bad. So I turned that into backhanded indiscriminate unhelpful smug sarcasm, and that made people dislike me too. I don't really know what to do anymore except try and be a fun poster to respond to and only sometimes point out when people are being shitty in a way I don't like.

The site's never going to be as good as it could be with just a little effort and cooperation, and almost none of the people that fucked it up will ever take responsibility, and that fucking sucks and fuck them.

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>>9964
Well I mean I can't really disagree with any of that obviously. Inversely to being mad af about this I've picked up my activity and trying to talk about stuff and be a fun poster, but it's always there scratching at my brain.

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you couldnt pay me to go into a ponychan based discord so im not going to pretend like ive actually seen it, but ultimately i doubt hidey-hole-for-posters-number-666453312325554 does a whole lot to help or harm the site at all. this place has been based around infinite fracturing for years

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Well since no one other staff member has responded to this thread other than me, I figured this would be a good opportunity to give my reflections on the discord itself. Note that these are my opinions as one staff member, not necessarily those of the entire staff (although I know a few of these opinions are shared by at least a few others). I just wanted to give an insiders perspective on the whole issue.


First off, has the Discord lowered the site's overall traffic? Yes, of course. I think it would be foolish to be short sighted to that. The problem is the site's overall population is low enough to where honestly speaking, it could probably fit into one giant discord. This happened with efchan as well, when a site has a low enough population, it makes more sense (or rather, it's much more convenient) for the remaining users to communicate via instant communication, rather than having to deal with posting on a chan and waiting. This is especially true when the main focus of the site is social rather than topical, of which ponychan and all of it's splinter chans has been for years now. So while yes, the Discord is taking tons of traffic away, it's doing that as a reaction to the slow speeds of the chan. The obvious answer would've been to never create the discord in the first place, but it is what it is.

Now the reactions have been "well clearly just delete the discord and they'll all come back to the chan and it'll be the same as always". Well, no, it's not that simple. First off, there are around 250 users in the discord, and only about 50 use it with any regularity. Now technically i wasn't there for the original discord crew, and I've heard it was much different back then. What others who were there have told me is that many people left due to issues with other user in the same discord (which ill get to a bit later), or simply losing interest in the community altogether. My point is that the notion that deleting the Discord would solve all our problems and bring everyone back to pchan is just wrong. What would most likely happen is that we'd get some users post on ponychan more, while others would leave the community altogether, of which there would be many more of than I think others would anticipate. It would be a net loss in userbase, which at this point the site cannot afford. Remember, many people originally went to the discord to get AWAY from ponychan while still chatting with some of the members there, for reasons i'll get to right now.

Now as I said earlier, many users have been driven off due to actions by the current site userbase. And those actions are a result of a problem ponychan has had for years now: we have a nazi problem. Fascist, racist, general /pol/shit has infected the site for years, and it's driven off numerous users. Hell, its one of the reasons ponyville exists. This same shit infects the discord, and one of the reasons users have been complaining so much is because for the longest time, this material was totally unmoderated and let to roam free with it's pants off in the chat. Me and Eris were talking about this earlier, and we both found it hilarious that on literally any other non /pol/ related site on the INTERNET, this shit would be deleted instantly and the posters of it banned. However on ponychan, we are too concerned with "not being a hugbox" so we allow this vile shit to fester in our community. I've talked to 5-6 staff members about this, and they have ALL agreed that this is something that should go. The chat has been much more tolerable recently due to me and Eris actually giving moderation for the first time, as well as Astra introducing the shitpost channle on the discord. I've also seen improvement on the site with /chat/ being re-purposed. However at this point, it's too little too late. We've already lost so many people due to this that while the actions have cleaned up the chat, the damage is already done. Personally speaking (as in my personal opinion, please god dont take this as site stance) is that the next step is the ban this material outright like every other community on the internet and foster an environment that is much more welcoming of newcomers. But that's a bit of a tangent i wont get into right now.

So in conclusion, in my opinion the discord cannot be deleted as it wouldnt solve anything and simply further lower the sites userbase. A lot of these problems have been caused by the running rampant of /pol/ material that alienated lots of users from both the site and the discord, and is one of the reasons the discord was populated in the first place.

As an aside, in my experience, the userbase of both the site and the discord has made things much more difficult on the mods by being very uncooperative and understanding of the staff. I really want you guys to know that we're trying, and things can't happen instantly, and that we're human. We make mistakes, our rules aren't perfect, our judgement is not perfect. Things would go a lot smoother if that was understood, and the staff was treated as such rather than evil cucks who just want to ban you and take your freedoms away. I'll answer any other questions if you guys have them, though again, these are just my opinions, not necessarily the opinions of the whole staff.

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>>9979
>many users have been driven off due to actions by the current site userbase. And those actions are a result of a problem ponychan has had for years now: we have a nazi problem. Fascist, racist, general /pol/shit has infected the site for years, and it's driven off numerous users.

This

Should have been nipped in the bud a long fucking time ago, along with most of the numerous political discussions.

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>>9979
I have nothing to add, but have my (You).

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>>9981
No offense Mikie, you were kind of a part of it too. But I'm glad you realize what a problem it was.

Wish you had realized sooner.
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>>9980
I completely agree. I think freedom of speech on a site is great, and I love that ponychan is a community that does not shun you for your ideas alone. However at the same time, there needs to be some level of quality control. You cannot have a diverse, pleasant, working community while also welcoming in toxic behavior and ideas. Most other sites are more strict than ponychan because they realize this. However we tried to mold ourselves into 4chan2, without realizing that 4chan is an anomaly that works because it's userbase is united in it's idea of moderation.
>>9981
To be fair, I would include rabid antifa in with /pol/shit, i just didn't mention it because it has nowhere near the presence that the alt-right has on ponychan.
>>9982
Thanks for the (you), I literally live off them.

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>>9984
And I agree that people should be free to talk about what they want.
It just sucks that a pony-themed imageboard started to turn into /pol/-lite. The politics general should have been moderated and enforced better.

Then again, that was a problem in the dwindling days of MLPchan as well. I'm not sure how bad it was here.

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>>9985
From what i remember, it wasn't really a thing until the merge.

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>>9986
Might have been partially our fault then, but don't quote me.

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>>9985
>that was a problem in the dwindling days of MLPchan as well. I'm not sure how bad it was here.
Ponychan and MLPchan kind of developed /pol/cancer in parallel, but it was more pronounced on MLPchan. On Ponychan it was largely just meme threads, while MLPchan often had long and heated political threads.

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>>9988
Exactly right.

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>>9979
>And those actions are a result of a problem ponychan has had for years now: we have a nazi problem.
idk about mod drama and astra being an evil powerhungry rapey warlord or anything but imo this is literally the problem with the discord and ponychan

Like take for example the /ef/ discord server, it has zero moderation, every so often someone changes one of the channel names for fun maybe, that's the extent of the administrative oversight on the /ef/ discord. And the /ef/ discord server is great. Because the members of the "/everfree forest/ no rules shitposting website that got kicked off of ponychan" discord are more mature reasonable human beings than we have on ponychan and the ponychan discord.

I really don't think it's a moderation problem either. Look at every time wesley gets kicked for 5 minutes for saying lets all have sex with stillborn jew fetuses, half the chat riots and demands he be free'd from this unjust imprisonment. Look at how people are still demanding "free steam twist".

Maybe we have an administration problem, but it pales in comparison to our people problem.

We're just /pol/ containment for ponyville at this point. I mean you can fight and scream about trying to fix it all you want and say fuck off to everyone who "pretends to be so above it all". Or you can just stop posting on /pol/

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>>9990
Oh, also both sites had TOSSF.

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>>9992
And we had Wesley as well.

>>9993
That's good.

Maybe we we can all try to rekindle something once lost here.

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>>9985
We had too many people acting in bad faith and too little will to do anything about it.

MLPchan and Ponychan both had the beginnings of it in a similar form with heated debates about controversial topics, which eventually made the people who were here to argue fly to the political fringes (true believer or not) and attracted the proverbial idiots thinking they were in good company.

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>>9995
It should be noted that after a while certain people who weren't "here to argue" eventually became that way after defending their viewpoint often enough.

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>>9991
I tried to very tactfully cover that in my last line. I think the ponychan userbase is very difficult and it makes solving problems much more difficult.
>Look at every time wesley gets kicked for 5 minutes for saying lets all have sex with stillborn jew fetuses, half the chat riots and demands he be free'd from this unjust imprisonment
Yeah that.... that's a problem.
>>9995
I think a lot of the problem is that we attracted /mlp/ rejects who thought they were in good company when we were just memeing, and then others joined in.

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>>9995
>>9996
>attracted the proverbial idiots thinking they were in good company.

Wew lad, so much this.
It was innocent enough at first.

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GET for good

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>>10002
No, son :^)

>>10000

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I've made my peace (and hopefully forgiveness) with my old shitposting.

I will say this though, politics about who should be subjugated or exterminated is not really material that can lead to peace or even be reasoned out of.

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>>10003
fug u :^D

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>>10005
I think i understand and agree. The reason racist and hateful material in general is kept to /chat/ is because keep that material out of the general view. I personally feel like it shouldn't be in view in the first place, but going cold turkey is a little hard considering the years of precedent we've set.

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As an aside, i'm sensing here that some of your agree with me on this. I'll take it up with the staff if there's support.

Posting the names now, Me, Eris, Macil, Mellowbloom, and Admiral agreed when i spoke to them about it that in general nazi stuff needs to do. I think people have been timid because we haven't seen user support, but if it's there, I'll bring it up.

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>>10012
What are you proposing?

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>>9998
i tried to not tactfully say that at all cause im not bound by any need of sounding like a neutral professional representative of the site!

>Yeah that.... that's a problem.

like just anecdotally because of that i go to ponychan discord for my shitposting high school simulator needs and to ponyville for my posting good needs. And i dont think id be wrong to say this sort of feedback loop causes a lot of other people to treat it as a shitposty dump too.

i mean i dont think its a problem for us end users since ponyville exists. but it certainly is a problem for the people who are trying to make ponychan not be shit

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>>10012
>we haven't seen user support
i think part of this is ponychan has like stockholm syndromed itself into thinking this is normal?

Like I've said that whole thing about how ridiculous it is that we allow this when literally every other site does not and just had it been completely denied even after like linking the top ten most popular reddit's rules and stuff.

A lot of people here i think see 4chan as what the rest of the normal internet is

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>>10012
>we haven't seen user support
Hey, I was saying to remove rudeposter and /pol/shit ages ago.

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>>10009
I'm still behind the idea of generals that would further minimize the face of this issue, but also with rules in place against actual hostility besides merely saying that someone is wrong.

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>>10014
basically the removal of hateful political material, including racist, nazi, white supremacy, and certain antifa material. I mean technically we have rules that cover that but like, they're not really enforced i guess.
>>10015
>i tried to not tactfully say that at all cause im not bound by any need of sounding like a neutral professional representative of the site!
god bless, you do you my man

And yeah, I can see that. I definitely can tell some users just use the chat to shitpost, which although usually harmless, doesn't exactly help things.
You're pretty funny in chat though, so I think you're fine.
>>10016
I actually love the idea of turning chat into /dis/ again. For the record, I think civil discussion of certain facist and other controversial ideas are fine. It's the "kill all jews, niggers should be lynched, MAGA BASED TRUMP" and whatever that needs to be removed.
Thanks for the input man, I didn't think about that.

>>10018
I think ponychan was jealous of /mlp/s freedoms and traffic and just wanted to be like them. Then when ponies died it just wanted to be like 4chan because it was going through some edgy teen phase or something. I'm looking to change that. Make Ponychan Great Again.
>>10019
You're like the ultimate niceposter tho you goober.

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>>10020
Could you explain what you mean? You mean like a political general?

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>>10021
I think you'd have to remove all political material to achieve that. Like, there are a million smartass ways to bend those rules. This is why Orange's rules were so shitty.

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>>10022
Basically, keep it in one place so it can live but not consume the site.

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>someone says Ponyville is good
>check Ponyville
>not a single thread worth responding to
>leave Ponyville
>wait 3 months
>repeat

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>>10026
Ponyville needs to remerge with us too, honestly.

But that's a whole can of worms by itself.

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>>10026
Well yeah you're not part of the ponyville circle jerk

Ponyville isn't "good" in some ephemeral platonic way

Ponyville is "good" because it's a cirlclejerk except not filled with jerks

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>>10026
I like it.

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>>10026
It's not that bad tbh.

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>>10024
Honestly, this might be a bit of an unpopular opinion, but it's one I've formed in dealing with the userbase. A lot of the site "shitty rules" issues have come from the mods not having a backbone. No rules are going to be entirely perfect, but the ability to interpret rules in times of inevitable grey area needs to be enforced and consistent. A huge problem with old ponychan is that the mods tried to accommodate the users ideas of what the rules should be, which led to them being unclear and constantly changing, rather than a unified, consistently enforced idea. You smooth out grey areas by enforcing your interpretations of them, not by letting it fester and turn into a billion /site/ threads. I feel like users become very accommodating to the rules given when they are given a consistent set of rules. It's happened in the discord even, wes isn't shitposting anymore because I gave him a firm idea of what is allowed, and told him that if he doesn't adhere to it, he's gone. I haven't even needed to ban him and he's totally stopped doing all the bad shit. This is the same dude who was a tumor to the chat for a very long time.
>>10025
I think a general good idea, and what i would submit to astra is:

/oat/ is all non pony discussion and general chit chatter. Serial threads would go there and function sort of like /b/ and friends, which is to say, out of sight, out of mind. /chat/ would be basically all serious discussion threads and all political threads. Basically like a more open /dis/. I think that would be much more organized than what we have now, which in my opinion is kind of a shit show. Thoughts?

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>>10032
>No rules are going to be entirely perfect, but the ability to interpret rules in times of inevitable grey area needs to be enforced and consistent.
This is not going to happen. If it is then why? Because you asked them nicely to do their jobs better and all think alike?

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>>10032
What about adult and NSFW serials that want civility?
They can't go in /oat/ and a /dis/ board may be too shitpost-y.

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>>10034
Because you actually enforce your authority. Astra gave me this advice and it's worked wonders. If a user is out of line, you tell them that they should stop. If they don't, you get more serious and tell them that if they don't stop they'll be punished. If they continue, they're punished. You use your authority to enforce the rules. You be hands on. Again, not to toot my own horn, but I'm doing this in the discord, and it's starting to work. I honestly feel like ponychan's rules right now are really good, they're just not being enforced fully.

>>10035
Put the NSFW filter to /oat/, move them to /oat/ under that filter.

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>>10037
Didn't /oat/ want to be totally 'clean' though?

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>>10040
A mod can't really come in to fix a situation and not get complaints if no rules have technically been broken, even if it was to deal with someone derailing things with hostile intent.
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>>10037
A rule like "don't be a Nazi" is easily bent. You understand this, right? That if, for example, a user has an issue with one mod calling them out for their occasional casual antisemitism humor when another mod is fine with it, there are going to be more issues and more work. Work that could easily be circumvented by just not leaving so much of the rule's wording up to interpretation. Make it simple and effective.

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>>10038
Heated is fine, hateful is not. I think if someone was like "fuck I hate niggers" in a heated discussion, I would tell them to cool off and to please try to keep that kind of speech to a minimal. If they continue to spout serious racial hatred, then I'll warn them of punishment. If they go on, I would probably ban them for like an hour (assuming i would even be a mod of the site that is, i am just a discord mod after all). I get your fear of not wanting to get permaed over one slip up, so while i do think that kind of speech is not allowed, continued aggression after multiple warnings would be the only thing that results in a ban.
>>10039
tbh /oat/ and /chat/ are the same people now, so idk if it matters. If it's an issue they could be on /chat/ no problem given how invisible they are, I just think it would be better for the sake of organization.
>>10040
>>10042
I think in that case the serials just have to get a mods attention. They are expected to be somewhat self moderated, so if they want moderation, they're going to have to come get it.
>>10044
https://www.ponychan.net/
honestly speaking, which rules here are easily bent? I'm just wondering what you're thinking about here.

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>>10046
Same people, different compartments.
I thought that was the idea for why we don't just merge /oat/ and /chat/.

I mostly just want the serials to not be under siege or to even have that risk.

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>>10046
Those aren't Oranges rules... I'm not saying anything about the current rules, I'm talking about your proposal.

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>>10051
Oh well this is just a miscommunication, my main point is to just enforce the rules we have now, but like, actually enforce them lmao. The whole thing about old ponychan was that they got that way because the mods had no backbone.
>>10049
I think that would be a good discussion to have if a thread on /site/ is made about this. I can't really give a solid answer for now though, im the discord mod, not the site mod.

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>>10052
I'm kinda confused about which old Ponychan we're talking about, because MY old Ponychan had shitty Nazi mods that banned you for literally nothing.

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>>10053
I guess I feel like that my experiences with the userbase have led me to believe that our old view of old ponychan is not entirely accurate, but maybe I'm just remembering wrong.

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>>10054
Seconding this. A lot of the "nazi mod" complaints were really overblown tbh. Just shitty trolls bitching about getting banned for being shitty trolls. Caving in to that bitching and ending up becoming way too lenient is what let the /pol/ in.

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>>10055
This is really creepy

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>>10055
Itself motivated by fear of losing people...

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>>10055
>>10056
There were people like hahah and Trip who trolled and got banned so they could get mad about getting banned.

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>>10060
Trip would engage and feed trolls, but I never saw him actually attempt to get banned or begin a cancerous thread.

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>>10061
I'm talking like 2011

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>>9979
Just one thing. Neither you nor Eris are staff. The Discord is only labelled "official" so that Astra can get his perverse pleasure out of it as he flirts with people up and down the chat.

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>>10064
TBF Shuckle is attempting to do good.

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>>10066
So am I and so is Anonthony. Neither of us pretend we're staff. He was given the ability to kick/ban in a Discord server that shouldn't exist.. He isn't staff.

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>>10067
How are you and Thony helping?

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>>10070
I'd say at least half of the shit that has been done in, say, the last 6 months at all has been either prepped, directly done or largely pushed/influenced by me. Including Shuckle being a chat mod.

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"the nazi shit should go" - everyone six months ago
"gala should go" - everyone over a year ago
"macil is overstepping the agreement" - the entire staff over a year ago
"fen is not being given the equal voice we were promised" - the entire staff and all the parties to the merge over a year ago
Again I'm not saying delete it. But it isn't serving the need appropriately. Plenty of people, 'members of the site community' since we're including non-posters, avoid it because of how it is. Not just polshit, by a long shot. And plenty of the people *in* it are actually fine normally, and I even have them in a small private chat myself. I like them fine enough when they aren't in that environment. Most of the decent and cool and marginally interesting posters outside of that number don't want to participate in a chat where any halfway decent convo is drown in a sea of dumb vapid banal fat horny 30 year old hairy grown men touching each other's e-peepees and mourning >tfw no qt greasy dude in his mom's basement to pretend to be my gf. And as FGI correctly pointed out it has driven me fucking insane to watch even that trashheap get more administrative attention than the fucking site that some of us have worked pretty fucking hard to do anything for and about. Fuck Macil. Fuck Astra. Deserves better than the above.

Aside, no offense Shuckle but your ideas are terribad. Dis is a shitty idea and so is nsfw on oat, I don't know how this is even a question.
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>staff, especially owner, dont hardly ever reply to anything because people are complaining and dealing with complaints is icky
>this makes people complain more
>"well im not even gonna reply to anything on my site at all now because people are complaining about the shit job im doing"

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>>10074
jesus

you wonder why people complain about toxicity and being "unwelcoming"

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>>10076
No, actually I don't wonder about that. Nor is it relevant to this topic.
>wahhh you are being toxic and unwelcoming to softcore cybersex
Yes, I am.
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>>10077
>"a sea of dumb vapid banal fat horny 30 year old hairy grown men touching each others e-peepees and mourning >tfw no qt greasy dude in his moms basement to pretend to be my gf"

no matter how you slice it id say this is a step in the wrong direction, wouldn't ya think?

see, there's being unwelcoming to something, and then there's being an unwarranted asshole ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i also wouldnt say its not relevant, since many people seem to agree at this point that we have a user problem

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>>10080
No, I wouldn't think that. Calling it out isn't the problem, no matter how hyperbolic the description might be. You don't get to blame *complaints* about problems for the problems. And we don't have a "user" problem as I already described; some of the very people in question aren't even usually an issue unless in an environment conducive to that kind of crap. If they want that they can have it on their own in their own private thing not associated (let alone "Astra's official ponychan discord") with the site.

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>>10081
ERP in a designated nsfw chat is a problem? forgive me for disagreeing

you werent calling out a "problem", you were insulting a group of people for doing something you dont like

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>>10082
>imblying its in nsfw xD

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We're literally worse than /pol/ at this point, if only because only newfags on /pol/ try to have a serious debate on it.

>>9984
> However at the same time, there needs to be some level of quality control.
Maybe we have an administration problem, but it pales in comparison to our people problem.
Just to add my own anecdote, quality control has been attempted / discussed a number of times and was always shitcanned because "Nazi mods", ironically enough.

>>10009
>The reason racist and hateful material in general is kept to /chat/ is because keep that material out of the general view.
Well, on a personal level i dont like censoring peoples views.
If they're bad they should be called out or ignored, but i realise i'm a minority there.

>>10016
>>10021
/dis/ died because people stopped posting in it, same with /pic/, original /chat/ and the boards that merged into /fan/

>>10025
>>10032
Politics serial / general isnt likely to work, far too many topics can fall under "political" to work well within a single thread unless you only have like 5 people in it.

>>10027
That'd be nice, but i doubt they'd want it.

>>10052
>The whole thing about old ponychan was that they got that way because the mods had no backbone.
It was also that we got overruled quite a few times or had a difference in opinion over a ruling.
Orange removing manley's well deserved permaban "because he said sorry." springs to mind.
As for moderation over the past year or so, i can safely take the blame for letting standards drop, it was literally my job to make sure that didnt happen and i simply stopped caring when i shouldnt have, regardless of my reasons for not caring.
Hope this doesnt sound too much like fishing for sympathy, just figured i'd address that room elephant while on the subject.

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>>10085
You couldn't have done anything anyway with Macil vetoing and overriding every course of action for a community he had, at best, a passing interest and understanding of. And now he ignores all the results of his mindblowingly bad management like a passive-agresssive fuckwad and doesn't even have shit to say in response about "his" website. Pol isn't even the issue or problem anymore. It's management and the subsequent drop in people caring enough to be slightly better posters. After all, if the owner doesnt give a shit, and they're supposed to be the one who cares, why should posters give a fuck? Same as the chat. Things take on the properties of their leaders. Which is why the chat is an amalgam of Macils not-giving-a-fuck and Astra's proclivities.

Meanwhile, again, the site languishes, not in polshit half as much as the combo again of Macils absenteeism and Astra's half-assed follow-through of other's work. FGI hit it on the head hard >>9961 . Thinking I should give it up tbh. The staff is clearly resigned to this and the users no longer care enough to want any better.

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>>10086
Oh no, it definitely wont fly on /oat/, i gave up on that years ago.
Still sad that we never picked up a culture of "ignore things you dont like." in favor of "Over-react to everything."

For the record from the mod side, it's equally annoying having to step in for mostly the same reasons.
Honestly a lot of problems stem from bad communication, either between users, between staff, user to staff or from staff to user.

>>10087
It's less that i'm resigned and more that i've accepted my inability to change things at the moment.
"You can rant and rave at the rain until you lose your voice, but you'll still get wet without an umbrella."

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>>10089
You can also get out of the rain, which I guess is the last option. Guess I should've taken it a long time ago; you and others wouldn't have had to see a certain side of me in the end.

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>>10085
Old /chat/ died because you killed it, actually

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>i think these are some goods ideas to move forward and help the site get up off it's feet, at least one step at a time
>no, THIS Is what happened 3 years ago, YOU'RE the one who ruined the site
this is the actual problem btw

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>>10094
>yes, the actual problem certainly isn't the invisible, absent owner or the befuddled new admin, or even the things I myself admit aren't what they should be, it's all this singular strawman I'm blowing up because people brought it up at all
Shut the hell up
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if u complain about things, u are actually the problem, not those things :^)

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>>10097
Sometimes, yeah.

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>>10098
No, you can be a part of a larger problem, but even then only if the things that are causing the complaints in the first place never get rectified (or even ever addressed by the people who are supposed to); because if they -do- get dealt with then you're complaining about nothing. Clearly that's not the case, as the dozen unaddressed threads, problems and multiple people besides me complaining show out.

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but sure let's make this about something, anything except for the actual root cause; anything to deflect attention away from the elephants in the room. (or not in the room, as the case may be)
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>>10099
I really really hate to use this analogy, but Trump is a problem and rioting and destroying random shit isn't the solution.

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>>10101
Mm, yes, this is totally akin to rioting and now we're the ones destroying shit.

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There's that E word again

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>>10102
>>10103
I'm not equivocating. I'm pointing out that being right doesn't mean you can do no wrong.

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>>10104
Oh, I'm sorry, was that a point that was raised? That anyone thought they could do no wrong?

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>>10105
Maybe it would be better phrased as being right doesn't mean you're helping.

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>>10105
How much of this actual conversation have you actually been paying attention to? I was under the impression that this was more or less a continuation of this stuff:
>>10074
>>10076
>>10077
>>10080
and Shuckle and Awdrii's previous points about Ponychan having a people problem as well as an administration problem.

>>10106
Exactly.

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And harming while also helping can ultimately be worse than just doing neither.

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>>10106
Well first off, I don't owe anyone any help. Second, I've already helped more than your sorry ass ever, and kept on despite how much you enjoy triggering me. Third, the people who are actually supposed to help - which hilariously includes you - do jack and shit all. Fourth, I actually have still helped despite owing no one that help and not even being in a position where I should have to, and have still gone out of my way to communicate with the serials because your lot of sorry asses was apparently incapable of doing so, in addition to pushing most of the few changes/improvements that have actually gotten done.
>>10107
Well in the post your referring to of mine I was specifically saying how I didn't even think it should be outright deleted and had an environmental as much as structural problem, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
>>10108
>>10106
Harming what? The fuck am I harming here? My flip-out frustration is either been privately communicated, on /site/ and once in a serial. The fuck am I harming? Who is being unwelcomed, by a shitfit on /site? Jesus FUCK, the admin and owner isn't even coming here, who and/or what the fuck is being 'harmed' or 'destroyed' in this 'riot'?

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>>10109
>The fuck am I harming? Who is being unwelcomed, by a shitfit on /site? Jesus FUCK, the admin and owner isn't even coming here, who and/or what the fuck is being 'harmed' or 'destroyed' in this 'riot'?
/site/ has an environmental as much as structural problem.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10111

>>10110
Nah fam, /site/ has an ownership problem.

Waifus are people too!YoRdlEjxQ6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10112

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I think the point is that you may be right on some of your points, but you form these points in the form of rage and anger and are massively disruptive to /site/. You would get a lot more done if you didn't rage, although I'm pretty sure you don't believe that. Might as well at least say it though. People don't want to listen to people who yell and rage at them, not matter how right they are, that's just a fact. If anything, if you really want to be listened to you would explain your opinions calmly and with room to compromise. It's possible you still aren't listened to, but there is at least a dialogue and no disruption. I had a really good talk with the users and mods when i explained my opinions in a calm way, and then you come in here and just rage and the thread turns to shit. I mean just look at the difference in the thread between when you are posting and when you are not posting. It's pretty extreme actually. I think yo have a lot of good ideas but none of them are ever going to be listened to if you can't express them without anger.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10113

>open thread yesterday
>over 100 new posts since then
lmaoing @ ur life
also you managed to generate site content
it's all okay man
the chan is doing well : )

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10114

>>10112
>disruptive to a board that isn't being addressed anyway
Oook.

>because I haven't explained all this shit in extreme detail over the course of many long months, explicitly and directly to Macil and the powerless admin at the time, yes I waited until just this month about it all and let it suddenly explode

Buddy I already know for a fact I/we weren't going to be listened to.
This is like that fucking hilarious parting shot Mac gave me of 'well if you have any suggestions you have the ear of the staff'
lmao yeah man, the staff I already always had the ear of and for the last 18 months spent trying everything I could possibly imagine to keep shit straight and marginally competently carried out, but yeah I'm the bad guy again for it finally coming to a head and every-fucking-thing I warned of always coming true
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>>10114
>disruptive to a board that isn't being addressed anyway
He's explaining why this board isn't being addressed.

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>>10115
Yes Starshine, my eruptions these last two weeks are why nothing gets accomplished for the last months, and are definitely at any rate an acceptable excuse for the owner to hide like a fucking coward, once again, I am at fault and if I just didn't bother, everything would magically be ok again

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>>10115
if i could upvote on this website i sure as shit would

>>10114
thinking you arent going to be listened to isnt really an excuse to get super rage/insult people tbh

>>10116
its a matter of getting worse, not better

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>>10117
>>10117
>thinking you arent going to be listened to
Knowing*

FTFY

Power Chord Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10119

This is fun.

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>>10116
Strawman.

Is Hipster around? You need to smoke a bowl.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10121

>>10120
He smokes too much weed as it is and I keep myself to a small volume.
>tell me I'm strawmanning in response to your strawman that I'm at fault for /site/ not being addressed

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10122

>wake up on the weekend
>hear him taking bong rips at 8am
ugh

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>>10121
You may not be the entire reason, but I'm sure you're part of the reason. You can be right and still be in the wrong. That's what we've been trying to say all along.
>>10106
>being right doesn't mean you're helping.
>>10108
>harming while also helping can ultimately be worse than just doing neither.
>>10112
[this whole post]

Starshine!Laura/wmXMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10124

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You don't even necessarily have to stop participating in these discussions, but it would be to your benefit and everyone else's if you managed to chill out when doing so.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10125

>>10123
I could disappear from here forever tonight and shit would still be fucked up and not get fixed, kind of like how to FGI's point that the Discord could be deleted right now and
>Macil would still be a worthless bum, Astra would still half-follow through on ideas someone else came up with months ago, and the half dozen threads on /site/ with zero staff response would continue to be ignored
Or at best the marginal uptick would be a blip on the radar; meanwhile I've been fine outside of this, probably making about a solid quarter of the site's activity and trying my damndest to be decent despite how justifiably pissed off I am, to the point of utter distraction. But here we are again Starshine, once again, talking about what I need to do about it.

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AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10127

>>10126
thanks for the contribution bro

Power Chord Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10128

>>10127
No problem

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10129

>explain in painstaking detail what should be done and why, and what will likely be the outcome and trajectory if not, for fucking years
>fuck all is done about it forever
>fast forward: shockingly, shit is fucked up
>"chill out man why dont you just explain it calmly"

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>>10125
I give up.

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>>10130
You tried, that's all you can do sometimes.

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I don't think people who ignore good ideas because of someone's attitude can be in charge of fixing anything or helping anyone

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>>10133
Guess you should cry some more then.

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>>10135
Only because you said so.

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>>10132
Dunno about you, but if someone approached me and said

"Hey, I think X is a problem and should probably be fixed"

I'd be more likely to listen to them than someone who said

"holy shit get get of your lazy asses and do something about this shitty mess"

>>10133

>>10130
>>10131
yeah, if he doesnt get it by now, its probably not really worth continuing

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10139

>>10137
>"Hey, I think X is a problem and should probably be fixed"

yes, this has never been tried at all, thanks for the hot tip

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>>10134
>>10135
>>10136
>>10138
Stay classy, fellas. Insulting one another isn't going to help anything.

>>10139
I didn't say it hasn't. Read the context.

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>>10140
I'm not insulting anybody.

This is just funny to me.

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>>10137
It's a good thing you aren't in charge or else nothing would get done, thank you for reaffirming that

>or else

lul
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AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10143

>not just "i think X is a problem and should be fixed", but "X is a problem, here is why it's a problem, here is what will happen if X isn't fixed, and here is a template for a solution in which i've done most of the work for you"
<12 months later ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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>>10141
Insulting, edging on, etc.

Either way, not really gonna do much other than #trigger people.

>>10142
Insults and otherwise angrily written topics don't get anywhere. If you want shit done, being civil is the best way to do that.

I'm not saying that it has worked, but throwing insults and being toxic certainly isn't an improvement.

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>>10144
I think we're far past getting Thony triggered.

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>>10144
>If you want shit done, being civil is the best way to do that.
<i'm not saying that is has worked

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>>10147
Uh.

Yeah.

Yeah that is indeed what I said.

Thanks for pointing it out, I guess? Not really sure what your point is here.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10149

>>10148
Oh, I'm saying you're right. Being civil hasn't worked, so thanks for that confirmation. In fact usually the only thing that's worked in the history of these dumb fucking communities is when someone has forced it to and taken it into their own hands.

Starshine!Laura/wmXMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10150

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>This person is badly wounded. He needs immediate medical help, and even then his chances of survival are slim.
<Well, if he's not gonna make it anyway, I'm just going to yell at him until he dies instead.

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AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10152

>>10150
Thanks for another shitty analogy.

>this person is badly wounded; their doctor is doing nothing despite your pleas

>you become increasingly agitated that they are just sitting their watching the thing in their care die
>you start losing it and yelling at them (not the fucking dying person)
>"chill out bro stop yelling at him"

FTFY

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>>10152
The doctor isn't even here for this analogy to work

You're yelling at the wall instead of helping the guy on the bed lol

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>>10149
Nnno, you took what I said, focused on a fraction of it, and turned it into your own unrelated argument, while ignoring the rest.

Which seems to be a common thing happening these days.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10155

>>10153
You're right, the doctor for some reason isn't in the doctor office in this dumb forced analogy.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10156

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RIght so.

We need:
- To get it through Macil's thick skull that if he's not willing to put even the bare minimum effort into the site, he should pass off Webmaster to someone who will,
- replace Astra. Seriously. He's no better at communicating with Macil than Fen was, and he also cares naught about the site, preferring to focus on the Discord,
- speaking of the Discord, if we're not going to get rid of it (which I would say is a huge mistake), we need to make it known that it isn't the main portion of the site. It would make a great way to notify mods and admins of site issues and the like, and perhaps we could remove NSFW content from the site completely and host it on the Discord. HOWEVER, much of the content regarding ponychan NEEDS TO REMAIN ON THE SITE. That's the big thing I have been trying to get across for this thread.
- Step up moderation in regards to /pol/ shit and Nazi shit. delegate that to chat; delegate it to the Discord, I don't care. I, for one, am thoroughly tired of seeing shit about Trump and alt-right and "liberals are cucks" et cetera everywhere I go.

As for the userbase...
- let's figure out things to do as a community. We come from all over; we have skills and hobbies that we can throw together. Sure we may not like each other very much all the time, but we're here so we might as well try to get along using things like art or streams or games et cetera. Fuck; Mewtini does a thing what, every week? We should do more of that. Push for a community that people would be interested in joining and taking part in.
- We had a S1 stream last week. Maybe we could stream a few episodes of pony a week just for fun. No criticisms on the show or anything; just watch and enjoy.

And you know, moving the NSFW (and maybe /pol/shit, too now that I think about it) stuff entirely to Discord might be a good bargaining chip to get posters over on Moonychan realizing that we're better off as a cohesive group, thereby further bringing the community back up to a reasonable strength.

But seriously, if we can't get rid of the Discord, we shouldn't be using it as the basis of the imageboard like Astra seems to be doing. We should find a way to make it usable without it literally overlapping much of what Ponychan is. Using it for group chat when doing a site wide game, to connect with the admins and mods about questions or concerns and hosting the NSFW and /pol/ stuff entirely within it seems reasonable and would allow it to remain whilst not taking the stuff the site needs offsite completely.

>>10152
>>10150
>>10148
As for you guys and whoever else is involved in this spat...

Can we all take a deep breath, decide whether or not continuing to argue inanely and without accomplishing anything is worth the time spent, and maybe go for a walk,have a shower or something to relax?

!pinkie78OsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10157

>>10112
>people don't want to listen to people who yell and rage at them

While that is undoubtedly true, just as part of human nature and social conditioning, that doesn't mean a person's argument should be dismissed outright just because of how it's worded. It should, at least, be considered.

People are emotional, and trying to deny that or completely shut out someone because they're expressing emotion isn't going to do anything except make them more emotional. It's just as important to listen to a person's opinion when they're angry as it is to try and present an opinion calmly in the first place.

If someone cares about something enough, and despite all their efforts something they've sunk time and effort into isn't making any actual improvements, then if they aren't frustrated or upset I'd question their claims to care so much in the first place.

>>10107
>>10125

Having said all of that, it seems like people are sticking to one point of what's wrong with the site without considering if perhaps both are valid. Even if one is more directly problematic than the other, that doesn't mean both aren't warranted problems that need to be addressed.

And yeah, I think it'd be fair to say that Ponychan has both an administrative problem and a membership problem. I've had to avoid /oat/ for months because of all the /pol/ shit, which is something most people can agree exists and needs to be dealt with somehow. Likewise, Macil being extremely selective with what he responds to and what he actually works on is something most people can agree with, and it seems like Astra isn't that much better as of late.

The problem is that the former issue is a bit easier to solve than the latter. Even if /chat/ is reworked to be the place for /pol/ garbage, or if /dis/ is recreated for it, the administration conflicts will still exist.

So whether or not the Discord chat needs to be deleted or reworked or what have you, by this point in the discussion I think most can agree that there's more to Ponychan's problems than just that. And maybe not arguing past one another as opposed to trying to find a middle ground would help bring everyone closer to actually solving those issues.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10158

>>10156
I already said, I even offered to pay Macil to do some of this shit and he refused. For some reason despite not being here whatso-fucking-ever he is still enamored with the idea of being the decisionmaker, which he's been since day 1. We could have headed off most of these issues if he'd woken up to what a douchebag of a 'leader' he was over a year ago when he was asked point-blank by Fen if he wanted him gone. He isn't going to change. And I can no more accept Astra than you can. Yes, it would all be fantastic if some of this could happen. But there is literally no one involved who I could even begin to trust to do it anymore. I don't have any reason to believe that >>9961
>"Ponychan being run properly and efficiently and making sure that everything associated with Ponychan is held up to a higher standard than the Discord"
The only time I have ever been able to trust anything would be done even remotely competently is when I did it myself; like even now during the gala shit, having to do half the communication myself. Yes, I got your PM that this accomplishes nothing but make me look bad, but who cares now. I was always the bad guy and always will be, and did the shit that had to be done but no one else ever wanted to do the work and deal with the consequences of.

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>>10144
Nobody is saying it's better. Nobody is even defending acting toxic. But if someone can't listen when someone lays a valid point out in really plain English because yet said retard or something triggering or whatever, that person shouldn't be posing as a leader. The way Starshine is tryig to blame shift because of their hateboner for rude words is actually pretty fuckin toxic and counterproductive.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10161

>>10158
I know you have, Thony. I know you're trying. I wouldn't be talking to you if I didn't sympathize with you or agree with you. There's a mess going on at a bunch of levels here but we need to focus on what we can vs can't fix at the moment.

One step at a time, and currently one of those steps - and the easiest for you to fix atm - is "relax." Take a break. Like I said: it doesn't need to be a long one, but you need some rest. You're being sympathized with. It's understandable that you're frustrated, and to be fair, I am too. Right now, though, let's figure out what we can do with the cards we've been dealt, but you need to check. Just for this round of bets. You getting me?

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>>10156
See, this is the shit I agree with. I don't even really have much to comment on because I agree with pretty much all of it.

I can even discuss some of these things with Astra myself, seeing as I talk to the dude a lot. It kind of puts a hole in that "replace Astra" idea of yours, but ultimately that's their decision to make, not ours.

Either way, it's well put together, and I'll see what I can do in that regard.

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>>10162
Astra should be aware by now that I've been gunning for him to lose his staff status on here since he was made a mod in the first place. I've worked with the guy and, as a few others who have will tell you, he'snot a good person to have in charge.

I told him that he's going to need to listen to people if he's the admin, and I honestly haven't seen a whole lot of that.

For now, though, I'll take what I can get. If we can repurpose the Discord for the NSFW and /pol/shit in separate chatrooms, and make a chatroom specifically for contacting the mods and admins about questions, concerns et al... that would go a long way towards cleaning the site up, removing the obvious redundancies between site and Discord, and bringing people back into the community at large.

It'll be a start and starts are good.

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>>10159
Yes, Thony's frustration is understandable. I just don't think righteous indignation gives diplomatic immunity. Thony isn't the only one in the wrong, entirely in the wrong, or even the most in the wrong, he's just the one being loudest right now.

>>10160
I'm not trying to shift blame. I'm just saying that rude words can be fuckin' toxic and counterproductive too.

And it's not really about rude words in and of themselves, it's about targeted insults. Being a dick to someone doesn't excuse them from doing their job, but it also doesn't absolve you of blame for making their jobs harder.

This isn't a one-way street.

>>10156
>replace Astra
I don't agree with this. I think Astra has been doing a decent job as a site admin so far, though the aspect of communicating with Macil is something I'm not sure on.

>Maybe we could stream a few episodes of pony a week just for fun

+1
Weekly pony stream sticky sounds lit.

Also, it's worth noting that /oat/ is pretty devoid of /pol/shit at the moment. Threads have been getting moved, sometimes to /chat/ and sometimes to /trash/.

/chat/ is doing fairly well too. It's got some /pol/shit but it's not all /pol/shit.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10166

>>10165
Astra as admin thus far:
>re-modding Rain bro (disappeared immediately as expected)
>making Eris a chat mod (see >>9945 )
>missing the site birthday despite weeks of advance notice
>half-assedly starting the gala-dissolution
>failing to communicate to the gala serials when the announcement was finally made
>not replying to the majority of /site/ threads, to even at least say (in the case of the technical issues) "i've pinged Macil about it"
>done little more than sit in the Discord (not even posting on the site most of the time) and do exactly what Ember describes the chat being about
>prevented Shuckle from adequately moderating the chat (since Shuckle is literally the only one trying to)

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>>10166
I think Astra not knowing how to moderate Discord and treating it like his personal chat room predates him being admin and can be pretty safely considered a separate issue.

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Civility Vs Hostility.
Being civil has it's limits, especially when the other party repeatedly insults you through either inaction or purposely ignoring your points.
Hostility is bad in general, but there comes a point when it's your only option left short of just leaving entirely.
I cant really comment beyond that since i literally quit because i couldnt deal with macil anymore, so eh.

>>10156
>>10165
>We had a S1 stream last week. Maybe we could stream a few episodes of pony a week just for fun. No criticisms on the show or anything; just watch and enjoy.
>Weekly pony stream sticky sounds lit.
I was planning on streaming season 2 this fri / sat and improve the synchtube a bit, but i havent found time to properly sit down and do it and so havent set a time yet.
A basic bot, CSS and a few emotes, that sort of thing.
Figured we'd get all the seasons watched in time for april, is all.

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>>10171
Ok?
It isn't a separate issue now since he's the fucking admin in addition. And I mean, thanks for confirming it's shit and that it's treated as his personal chat room with an official name so he can have more people in it than would ever want to hang out with him normally? I mean, ok, I don't see how that makes my point any less.

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>>10165
So is that all you're trying to say? Because I think he knows that, and I think this is the board for discussing issues with the site, which he's trying to do. If your anti-rude agenda is so pressing that you're gonna ignore the bigger issues that people are trying to discuss here then maybe you shouldn't be a part of the discussion.

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>>10172
>repeatedly insults you through either inaction or purposely ignoring your points.
This right fucking here.

I owe Macil jack shit. He has been breaking his word and his agreement every single day and insulting all the work we've collectively put in, spitting in the faces of a community he barely knows fuck-all about
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>>10174
That's basically Starshine's MO. Star would crawl through broken glass to tell me to be nicer and that I was the problem, but wouldn't swat a fly if it meant standing up for me, or speak a word in help to get some important thing fixed.
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>>10166
>>10168
>>10169
>>10170
My main data point is the /gala/-/chat/ thing. I don't really have strong opinions regarding the Discord chat and moderation since I only go there occasionally.

A lot of these are valid criticisms, though.

>>10172
Sounds chill. It's probably gonna be another shitty school week for me, so it'll be good to mellow with some pones for the weekend.

>>10174
Yeah, I guess?
I mean, he's also breaking site rules as well as /site/-specific rules. Should I just be reporting him instead?

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>>10176
When have I ever written such a scathing description of you?

>>10177
I agree.

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>>10178
Re: gala-chat

Again, this was something I personally wrote up in explicit detail and even providing the wording for, which he couldn't even follow through with right. But right down to the minimalist announcements without a thread image (to make them smaller, more streamlined, seem less like a big dramatic change), that was me.

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>>10179
What, to be nicer and that I am the problem? You literally did it tonight.

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>they couldn't even follow my instructions right

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>>10181
No, I mean something like what you just wrote.

>That's basically Starshine's MO. Star would crawl through broken glass to tell me to be nicer and that I was the problem, but wouldn't swat a fly if it meant standing up for me, or speak a word in help to get some important thing fixed.

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>>10183
Insulting behavior isn't limited to just words, or direcly at a person, as is the point of >>10172
>when the other party repeatedly insults you through either inaction or purposely ignoring your points.
There's more than one way to insult or hurt someone.

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>>10178
Yes, saying nothing and reporting people would be much less disruptive than what you're doing.

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I don't know what people want. Macil's this entity that got forced on us during the merger that I did no research on beforehand since it was non-negotiable. Since the merge I don't know what to say. He shows up occasionally to help the site and fixes technical issues promptly. Nowadays he's present often, but he only answers the questions he wants to answer. I'm generally fine with that, he really commits himself to being THA TECH ADMIN in that way. But then Fen started wanting to do things and hit really bizarre roadblocks where Macil would veto something and just... leave it at that, discussion closed. Which is the opposite of the way pretty much everyone on staff operates, where no topic is ever closed. Naturally people throw a shitfit at him and he just retreats farther, and communication breaks down. I'd like to believe that Macil's long since gone past caring whatever speck he did about whatever issue he vetoed, and throwing Astra in as a replacement Fen is just a way to ditch the built up lack of trust that paralyzed the site. Macil's finally ready to just leave everything to the community admin, but couldn't just say that to Fen and have things start into motion. I'm just worried that the Admin's curse will set in on Astra at this rate.

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>>10165
Astra hasn't done a decent job. At all. He didn't do a good job with the /oat/ steam chat back in 2011-13. He was a poor choice to be a mod (and sure, he only really modded /rp/, which is fine, but he needn't've stepped out of /rp/ to mod other portions of the site he knew little about), and he was a poor choice for admin. He spends 99% of his time on the Discord flirting with people and no time on the site unless he's making a /site/ thread and essentially copy-pasting what other people have written for him.

It's obvious by now that he really doesn't care about the site so long as his flirt-buddies are around wherever he may be.

>>10172
Is April when S7 comes out?

CAN WE PLEASE TAKE THIS ARGUMENT ABOUT THONY'S FRUSTRATION OUT OF A THREAD ABOUT THE SITE VS. THE DISCORD? This is the kind of fight that is better off in a private discussion than on a site about colourful hors.

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>>10187
Not trying to be argumentative here, just genuinely curious, but

If what you want is for Astra to listen to you guys, then why do you view it as a bad thing that he took your ideas and made the changes you suggested when he was made admin?

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>>10186
I mean, I don't disagree with any of that. Macil was great when he was accountable to me; he had that streak in him where he just wanted to veto everything because he didn't get the community aspects of it but I was a forceful enough presence and he trusted my instinct enough that it didn't matter. Once freed from that accountability he transformed into Orange; I believe this is just the way all wonky tech-nerd sysadmins are, at this point. What I want? I wanted Fen, all along, and that is what I had agreed to. What we -all- thought we agreed to. I don't accept Astra in any way, and I didn't agree to these terms. If Macil is 'ready' to finally let someone actually make decisions, it shouldn't be a choice the mods scrambled for out of desperation. A community liason? Someone not a mod?
>>10188
Well A) he didn't even do that right, and B) the position deserves better than half-assery.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10190

>astras rp buddies to defend him
lmao

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>>10190
I'm not defending him. I was asking a question.

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>>10168
>>10169
>>10170
Thank you for posting old screencaps just to cause drama. I've been talking with astra and we've cleared up a lot of the misconceptions I had with him and he had with me. I also know now that I cannot say anything private to you without the fear of you sharing it to further your agenda. That was a mistake of mine.

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>>10188
It is obvious from the lack of communication outside of the three or four threads we've seen from him that he's not putting much effort into things. I was in the Discord for a short time and he spent all his time there literally flirting with anyone who'd give him the time of day (which is a thing he's done for six years, so it's not a surprise, but it's not becoming of an admin who needs to make sure he's involved in the community - the Discord isn't the whole community)

When he does make a thread, it's literally something he's posted that someone else has written because he couldn't even take the time to write up his own OPs. The bad thing is more that he's only half-assing it rather than actually putting an effort in to improve the site because he really only cares about where his fuckbuddies are than what needs to be done to continually improve this place.

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>>10192
>Thank you
you're welcome
>I've been talking with Astra
that's cool, seems like no one else on the site has

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>>10193
Hmn, I see.

Dunno, even if there wasn't a whole lot of effort put in, he still did listen to you.

Even if small, I'd say it's a step in the right direction.

I can't say much for many of your other points though, and for a lot of what you're saying I just have to take your word for it.

Though I'd also say that whatever you've seen of him isn't any kind of serious flirting, and admin or not, he is allowed to have his own personal and fun conversations.

>>10196

Don't know why you're saying this to me. That's not something I was trying to make a point about.
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>>10198
He hasn't listened to me specifically at all.

I'm aware he's allowed to have his own fun, but he seems to be having it to the exclusion of what's important.

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>>10199
As admin your fun comes second. Or at least it's supposed to. Plenty of people have wanted or gotten that kind of position without understanding the inherent sacrifice and amount of thankless, behind the scenes work it requires to even come off as halfway professional and competent.

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>>10199
Ahh OK. That's fair then.

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There's a lot of stuff in here I've read through on waking up, and I'm gonna be taking the time to reply to some of it right now.

There's a lot of stuff in here however that's just implications and outright stating that I don't care and haven't been trying, which any member of the site staff would be able to tell you is outright false, since I've been constantly pushing things forward in discussions with staff members about changes and ideas we can do to make things better.

I'm not going to be addressing issues with the discord right now, instead I'll make a thread sometime this weekend, probably Friday or Saturday and link everyone to it and see where that discussion goes then, since I feel like that's a larger topic in and of itself.

>>10156
Gonna be pulling through your post here for stuff Ember, mostly because the list has some good points and helps me focus on something.

>- To get it through Macil's thick skull that if he's not willing to put even the bare minimum effort into the site, he should pass off Webmaster to someone who will.


> He's no better at communicating with Macil than Fen was, and he also cares naught about the site, preferring to focus on the Discord.


Macil has been quite a bit better about communicating with me then I know he ever was with Fen, there's no real division in responsibility here, both of us are accountable to the other.

We have disagreements on how things should be done sometimes and we compromise on those things, because neither of us have absolute power. Which is exactly what happened with the /gala/-/chat/ things. I probably would have done it a lot faster but Macil had some concerns, I won't make his arguments for him but we ended up compromising on taking it a bit slower.

As for other people writing up the announcements I'e made, why would I give up or not use a valuable resource when I have it? At least in the case of Nimble that you're fond of bringing up, I asked him to write it up for me because I've been under the weather lately and needed the help.

In the case of anonthony the changes that I made had more to do with disagreeing with his wording then anything else.

>- Step up moderation in regards to /pol/ shit and Nazi shit. delegate that to chat; delegate it to the Discord, I don't care. I, for one, am thoroughly tired of seeing shit about Trump and alt-right and "liberals are cucks" et cetera everywhere I go.


This is gonna be one of the next topics that the site staff tackles. To go along with some better distinguished topics of /oat/ and /chat/

I won't promise anything on it but frankly you shouldn't be shocked if this type of content gets disallowed entirely on the site in the future.

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Most any outcome that involves Astra remaining as admin/chat owner is an unacceptable one. Won't say any, but most.
Then again, any outcome in which Macil doesn't outright apologize for the last 2 years, especially to Fen, definitely is unacceptable, and certainly if it doesn't include acknowledgement of his broken agreement.

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>>10202
"This weekend" is a bloody week away.

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>>10204
Fuckin' name get on there.

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Other points unaddressed:
- Why the poor communication with the serial threads ?
- Missing the site birthday? Cmon
- Rain bro existing?
- half a dozen unreplied to /site/ threads ???
-

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>>9720
>OP made: January 29
>>10202
>Reply made: Feburary 13

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>>10204
>>10205
I'm aware, but I've got some stuff in my person life I'll be taking care of and I'm still on the mend from being sick, I'd rather have that conversation when I'm actually here to have it then to have it when I may have to leave an hour or two in.

>>10206
>- Why the poor communication with the serial threads ?

I wasn't aware there was poor communication, after we'd decided to do it a member of the staff went to those threads directly to talk to them about it, and the actual thread moves have been handled by me.

>- Missing the site birthday? Cmon


That was entirely my fault and I'm sorry, I had the date wrong, for some reason I had the 11th stuck in my head. We had actually planned to host a stream of episodes starting from season 1 episode 1 going forward from there.

>- Rain bro existing?


He's one of the currently more active moderators.

>- half a dozen unreplied to /site/ threads ???


I think the majority of those /site/ threads are something that require Macil to respond to, and the rest are just threads I have nothing to say about.

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>>10208
>i cant because ___
it's called delegation
>after we'd decided to do it a member of the staff went to those threads directly to talk to them about it, and the actual thread moves have been handled by me.
no, I went to those threads directly, and they came to you because I directed them there, at which point they could be moved.
But only 2 out of 3, and the third is still there because no one has gone to them.

>nothing to say about things like the janitors or people asking to have /chat/ opened to previously banned users since /chat/ is for looser behavior

>
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>>10210
Mellowbloom came to Story.

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>>10211
-Before- the decision and announcement was made.

And only after I did. You can ask him. I was still there when he arrived.
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>>10209
I'm not leaving any time soon and Macil isn't going to remove me either.

That's all I have to say about the continued threats in regards to me being admin, if that was going to work it would have already.

>>10210
>>10211
I specifically asked Mellow to do it, and he did. It's not like because you were there we suddenly didn't do it at all.

>nothing to say about things like the janitors or people asking to have /chat/ opened to previously banned users since /chat/ is for looser behavior


I've always firmly believed that bans are the business of the staff and the banned user. Anyone is perfectly capable of appealing their ban by emailing me.

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>>10208
Right. I'm holding you to it.

If, by, say... noon on Sunday or so, there's not an OP here on site, I'll be calling you out. I will specifically be copying my post from above to bring up in said thread because it's probably the best way to deal with the Discord vs the site.

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>>10215
That's fine.

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>>10206

I've tried not existing, it didn't work. In all seriousness, things at my job have gone through a massive change in administrative structure in this last week, and it's been all hands on deck, and I've been covering for a manager who is currently out on paternity leave. Still, you may not need to put up with the damage my presence is causing for very much longer.

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I think bans should be discussed with the rest of the group instead of carrying them out without anyone's knowledge, brah. It's not like I can't still shitpost on your exclusive server.
And does Ponychan not have "top" and "bottom" buttons to jump around a thread? The fuck?
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>>10218
Sure it does, they're built into the quick reply box. The triangles next to the X.

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>>10219
>Quick reply box needs to be enabled in settings first
Disappointing

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>>10220
??? I've never had to enable quick reply in settings, on any device or browser. There's a little "enable quick reply" check box at the top of the page whatever I use.

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>>10221
Try Ponychan on an incognito/private window
I just opened Firefox and the option was unchecked there too

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>>10217
Don't worry. It's the other way around.

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>>9892
Looks like one of those retarded tumblr types. But a cute one. A+

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>>9998
Haven't had that problem in the half dozen /mlp/ discords I participate in. Sounds like an issue with your users that resulted from the stranglehold moderation ponychan has always had that encouraged dissatisfied users to ride the hard edge of the rules to annoy the piss out of everyone.

Deleting the Discord is pointless now that it exists. If Astra decided to delete it it'd pop back up under someone else's ownership in five minutes, anyone that's now acclimated to Discord would just move to that. It'd be the unofficial Ponychan Discord and more likely lead to all the hubris and content siphoning Ember complains about.

Honestly, from reading this thread it sounds like everyone just needs to chill out. There's no sweeping change that's going to suddenly make everything better, even a moderation overhaul wouldn't suddenly fix anything. Ponychan is a vaguely pony related social site inside a fandom that has largely settled. The only thing that would make it grow as opposed to maintain would be to attach itself to something that's actually attractive on its own, like one of the half dozen pony MMOs. Like trying to weasel into becoming PonyTown's ""official"" forum or some such.

Aside from a big move like that there's no point in getting excited and angry at all the minor details people have been arguing vehemently about on /site/. Taking a social site less seriously would benefit everyone on it a lot more than Ponychan Drama™ usually does.

Tarra.exe !3NiGhtwiNgCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10306

>>9720
Ember, why do you care about that discord server at all?

What is so valuable about this site that it can't have a place extra to chat?

Next you will say that people talking on facebook, twitter, steam, or anything is bad.

Why concern yourself with something you clearly don't like?

that's like me giving a shit about politics.

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>>10306
Presumably he thinks it's bad for the site. Which isn't wrong.

It's a classic problem that has plagued generals on 4chan since their inception. A IRC/Skype/Discord siphons content and conversation away from the general. If the general is unhealthy and already slowly dying it speeds up the death. If the general has a neutral or positive user turnover then they resonate with each other and end up producing more content/conversation as a whole. The easier to use group chat apps have become, the more extreme the results. Specific recent examples for both situations would be /hhh/ and /cyoa/ respectively.

Facebook, Twitter, and Steam aren't usually brought into the equation because they're shittier as group IM apps and/or more exclusive/annoying to use, they're unlikely to pull a significant chunk of content or conversation.

Ponychan's userbase is about the size of a larger /mlp/ general, so it seems like an apt thing to expect. The thing Ember doesn't seem to realize is that it doesn't matter after it's made. Anyone can make these things and once it's in use by a social group they'll remake it if it's deleted. It doesn't matter if Astra deletes it and Macil declares that there will never be an Official Ponychan Discord, it's a thing now and it'll always exist, officially or unofficially.

Also Ember has a throbbing hateboner for Astra and he's the one that started the Discord.

tl;dr Ember's fears are probably right, but it's too late now to do anything about it.

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>>10308
If everything goes the direction I think it will, discord will soon have a facebook look with adding in a wall and a profile background and so forth from what I heard.

on their feedback site, that's like the number 1 thing asked for

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>>10309
Walls were always stupid and haven't ever been used significantly on any forum I've ever been on. If you're thinking of the suggestion I think you are, it wouldn't change anything. There's already a spot they could could shove in a header image (ala Twitter) and the 'User Info' tab already exists and is currently empty. I don't see a significant change to the platform coming if that feature is added.

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>>10310
more than likely yeah. But the next part is screen sharing which should come in handy for those playing games and wanna share

[r]also porn[/r]

fuck it I give up
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>>10215
*gasp*
It's past noon on Sunday.
Call him out!

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