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☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 9720[View All]

So uh, you've still not done something about the cancer that is the Discord still existing.

Can we get an ETA on when that's going to be shut down so that we can actually direct content to the site?
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>>10176
When have I ever written such a scathing description of you?

>>10177
I agree.

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>>10178
Re: gala-chat

Again, this was something I personally wrote up in explicit detail and even providing the wording for, which he couldn't even follow through with right. But right down to the minimalist announcements without a thread image (to make them smaller, more streamlined, seem less like a big dramatic change), that was me.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10181

>>10179
What, to be nicer and that I am the problem? You literally did it tonight.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10182

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>they couldn't even follow my instructions right

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>>10181
No, I mean something like what you just wrote.

>That's basically Starshine's MO. Star would crawl through broken glass to tell me to be nicer and that I was the problem, but wouldn't swat a fly if it meant standing up for me, or speak a word in help to get some important thing fixed.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10184

>>10183
Insulting behavior isn't limited to just words, or direcly at a person, as is the point of >>10172
>when the other party repeatedly insults you through either inaction or purposely ignoring your points.
There's more than one way to insult or hurt someone.

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>>10178
Yes, saying nothing and reporting people would be much less disruptive than what you're doing.

AdmiralCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10186

I don't know what people want. Macil's this entity that got forced on us during the merger that I did no research on beforehand since it was non-negotiable. Since the merge I don't know what to say. He shows up occasionally to help the site and fixes technical issues promptly. Nowadays he's present often, but he only answers the questions he wants to answer. I'm generally fine with that, he really commits himself to being THA TECH ADMIN in that way. But then Fen started wanting to do things and hit really bizarre roadblocks where Macil would veto something and just... leave it at that, discussion closed. Which is the opposite of the way pretty much everyone on staff operates, where no topic is ever closed. Naturally people throw a shitfit at him and he just retreats farther, and communication breaks down. I'd like to believe that Macil's long since gone past caring whatever speck he did about whatever issue he vetoed, and throwing Astra in as a replacement Fen is just a way to ditch the built up lack of trust that paralyzed the site. Macil's finally ready to just leave everything to the community admin, but couldn't just say that to Fen and have things start into motion. I'm just worried that the Admin's curse will set in on Astra at this rate.

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>>10165
Astra hasn't done a decent job. At all. He didn't do a good job with the /oat/ steam chat back in 2011-13. He was a poor choice to be a mod (and sure, he only really modded /rp/, which is fine, but he needn't've stepped out of /rp/ to mod other portions of the site he knew little about), and he was a poor choice for admin. He spends 99% of his time on the Discord flirting with people and no time on the site unless he's making a /site/ thread and essentially copy-pasting what other people have written for him.

It's obvious by now that he really doesn't care about the site so long as his flirt-buddies are around wherever he may be.

>>10172
Is April when S7 comes out?

CAN WE PLEASE TAKE THIS ARGUMENT ABOUT THONY'S FRUSTRATION OUT OF A THREAD ABOUT THE SITE VS. THE DISCORD? This is the kind of fight that is better off in a private discussion than on a site about colourful hors.

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>>10187
Not trying to be argumentative here, just genuinely curious, but

If what you want is for Astra to listen to you guys, then why do you view it as a bad thing that he took your ideas and made the changes you suggested when he was made admin?

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10189

>>10186
I mean, I don't disagree with any of that. Macil was great when he was accountable to me; he had that streak in him where he just wanted to veto everything because he didn't get the community aspects of it but I was a forceful enough presence and he trusted my instinct enough that it didn't matter. Once freed from that accountability he transformed into Orange; I believe this is just the way all wonky tech-nerd sysadmins are, at this point. What I want? I wanted Fen, all along, and that is what I had agreed to. What we -all- thought we agreed to. I don't accept Astra in any way, and I didn't agree to these terms. If Macil is 'ready' to finally let someone actually make decisions, it shouldn't be a choice the mods scrambled for out of desperation. A community liason? Someone not a mod?
>>10188
Well A) he didn't even do that right, and B) the position deserves better than half-assery.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10190

>astras rp buddies to defend him
lmao

!tcSassyDEQCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10191

>>10190
I'm not defending him. I was asking a question.

Waifus are people too!YoRdlEjxQ6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10192

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>>10168
>>10169
>>10170
Thank you for posting old screencaps just to cause drama. I've been talking with astra and we've cleared up a lot of the misconceptions I had with him and he had with me. I also know now that I cannot say anything private to you without the fear of you sharing it to further your agenda. That was a mistake of mine.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10193

>>10188
It is obvious from the lack of communication outside of the three or four threads we've seen from him that he's not putting much effort into things. I was in the Discord for a short time and he spent all his time there literally flirting with anyone who'd give him the time of day (which is a thing he's done for six years, so it's not a surprise, but it's not becoming of an admin who needs to make sure he's involved in the community - the Discord isn't the whole community)

When he does make a thread, it's literally something he's posted that someone else has written because he couldn't even take the time to write up his own OPs. The bad thing is more that he's only half-assing it rather than actually putting an effort in to improve the site because he really only cares about where his fuckbuddies are than what needs to be done to continually improve this place.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10194

>>10192
>Thank you
you're welcome
>I've been talking with Astra
that's cool, seems like no one else on the site has

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!tcSassyDEQCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10198

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>>10193
Hmn, I see.

Dunno, even if there wasn't a whole lot of effort put in, he still did listen to you.

Even if small, I'd say it's a step in the right direction.

I can't say much for many of your other points though, and for a lot of what you're saying I just have to take your word for it.

Though I'd also say that whatever you've seen of him isn't any kind of serious flirting, and admin or not, he is allowed to have his own personal and fun conversations.

>>10196

Don't know why you're saying this to me. That's not something I was trying to make a point about.
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☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10199

>>10198
He hasn't listened to me specifically at all.

I'm aware he's allowed to have his own fun, but he seems to be having it to the exclusion of what's important.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10200

>>10199
As admin your fun comes second. Or at least it's supposed to. Plenty of people have wanted or gotten that kind of position without understanding the inherent sacrifice and amount of thankless, behind the scenes work it requires to even come off as halfway professional and competent.

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>>10199
Ahh OK. That's fair then.

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There's a lot of stuff in here I've read through on waking up, and I'm gonna be taking the time to reply to some of it right now.

There's a lot of stuff in here however that's just implications and outright stating that I don't care and haven't been trying, which any member of the site staff would be able to tell you is outright false, since I've been constantly pushing things forward in discussions with staff members about changes and ideas we can do to make things better.

I'm not going to be addressing issues with the discord right now, instead I'll make a thread sometime this weekend, probably Friday or Saturday and link everyone to it and see where that discussion goes then, since I feel like that's a larger topic in and of itself.

>>10156
Gonna be pulling through your post here for stuff Ember, mostly because the list has some good points and helps me focus on something.

>- To get it through Macil's thick skull that if he's not willing to put even the bare minimum effort into the site, he should pass off Webmaster to someone who will.


> He's no better at communicating with Macil than Fen was, and he also cares naught about the site, preferring to focus on the Discord.


Macil has been quite a bit better about communicating with me then I know he ever was with Fen, there's no real division in responsibility here, both of us are accountable to the other.

We have disagreements on how things should be done sometimes and we compromise on those things, because neither of us have absolute power. Which is exactly what happened with the /gala/-/chat/ things. I probably would have done it a lot faster but Macil had some concerns, I won't make his arguments for him but we ended up compromising on taking it a bit slower.

As for other people writing up the announcements I'e made, why would I give up or not use a valuable resource when I have it? At least in the case of Nimble that you're fond of bringing up, I asked him to write it up for me because I've been under the weather lately and needed the help.

In the case of anonthony the changes that I made had more to do with disagreeing with his wording then anything else.

>- Step up moderation in regards to /pol/ shit and Nazi shit. delegate that to chat; delegate it to the Discord, I don't care. I, for one, am thoroughly tired of seeing shit about Trump and alt-right and "liberals are cucks" et cetera everywhere I go.


This is gonna be one of the next topics that the site staff tackles. To go along with some better distinguished topics of /oat/ and /chat/

I won't promise anything on it but frankly you shouldn't be shocked if this type of content gets disallowed entirely on the site in the future.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10203

Most any outcome that involves Astra remaining as admin/chat owner is an unacceptable one. Won't say any, but most.
Then again, any outcome in which Macil doesn't outright apologize for the last 2 years, especially to Fen, definitely is unacceptable, and certainly if it doesn't include acknowledgement of his broken agreement.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10204

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>>10202
"This weekend" is a bloody week away.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10205

>>10204
Fuckin' name get on there.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10206

Other points unaddressed:
- Why the poor communication with the serial threads ?
- Missing the site birthday? Cmon
- Rain bro existing?
- half a dozen unreplied to /site/ threads ???
-

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10207

>>9720
>OP made: January 29
>>10202
>Reply made: Feburary 13

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>>10204
>>10205
I'm aware, but I've got some stuff in my person life I'll be taking care of and I'm still on the mend from being sick, I'd rather have that conversation when I'm actually here to have it then to have it when I may have to leave an hour or two in.

>>10206
>- Why the poor communication with the serial threads ?

I wasn't aware there was poor communication, after we'd decided to do it a member of the staff went to those threads directly to talk to them about it, and the actual thread moves have been handled by me.

>- Missing the site birthday? Cmon


That was entirely my fault and I'm sorry, I had the date wrong, for some reason I had the 11th stuck in my head. We had actually planned to host a stream of episodes starting from season 1 episode 1 going forward from there.

>- Rain bro existing?


He's one of the currently more active moderators.

>- half a dozen unreplied to /site/ threads ???


I think the majority of those /site/ threads are something that require Macil to respond to, and the rest are just threads I have nothing to say about.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10210

>>10208
>i cant because ___
it's called delegation
>after we'd decided to do it a member of the staff went to those threads directly to talk to them about it, and the actual thread moves have been handled by me.
no, I went to those threads directly, and they came to you because I directed them there, at which point they could be moved.
But only 2 out of 3, and the third is still there because no one has gone to them.

>nothing to say about things like the janitors or people asking to have /chat/ opened to previously banned users since /chat/ is for looser behavior

>
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>>10210
Mellowbloom came to Story.

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>>10211
-Before- the decision and announcement was made.

And only after I did. You can ask him. I was still there when he arrived.
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>>10209
I'm not leaving any time soon and Macil isn't going to remove me either.

That's all I have to say about the continued threats in regards to me being admin, if that was going to work it would have already.

>>10210
>>10211
I specifically asked Mellow to do it, and he did. It's not like because you were there we suddenly didn't do it at all.

>nothing to say about things like the janitors or people asking to have /chat/ opened to previously banned users since /chat/ is for looser behavior


I've always firmly believed that bans are the business of the staff and the banned user. Anyone is perfectly capable of appealing their ban by emailing me.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10215

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>>10208
Right. I'm holding you to it.

If, by, say... noon on Sunday or so, there's not an OP here on site, I'll be calling you out. I will specifically be copying my post from above to bring up in said thread because it's probably the best way to deal with the Discord vs the site.

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>>10215
That's fine.

Harsh!Whinny.ockCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10217

>>10206

I've tried not existing, it didn't work. In all seriousness, things at my job have gone through a massive change in administrative structure in this last week, and it's been all hands on deck, and I've been covering for a manager who is currently out on paternity leave. Still, you may not need to put up with the damage my presence is causing for very much longer.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10218

I think bans should be discussed with the rest of the group instead of carrying them out without anyone's knowledge, brah. It's not like I can't still shitpost on your exclusive server.
And does Ponychan not have "top" and "bottom" buttons to jump around a thread? The fuck?
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>>10218
Sure it does, they're built into the quick reply box. The triangles next to the X.

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>>10219
>Quick reply box needs to be enabled in settings first
Disappointing

AdmiralCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10221

>>10220
??? I've never had to enable quick reply in settings, on any device or browser. There's a little "enable quick reply" check box at the top of the page whatever I use.

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>>10221
Try Ponychan on an incognito/private window
I just opened Firefox and the option was unchecked there too

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>>10217
Don't worry. It's the other way around.

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>>9892
Looks like one of those retarded tumblr types. But a cute one. A+

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>>9998
Haven't had that problem in the half dozen /mlp/ discords I participate in. Sounds like an issue with your users that resulted from the stranglehold moderation ponychan has always had that encouraged dissatisfied users to ride the hard edge of the rules to annoy the piss out of everyone.

Deleting the Discord is pointless now that it exists. If Astra decided to delete it it'd pop back up under someone else's ownership in five minutes, anyone that's now acclimated to Discord would just move to that. It'd be the unofficial Ponychan Discord and more likely lead to all the hubris and content siphoning Ember complains about.

Honestly, from reading this thread it sounds like everyone just needs to chill out. There's no sweeping change that's going to suddenly make everything better, even a moderation overhaul wouldn't suddenly fix anything. Ponychan is a vaguely pony related social site inside a fandom that has largely settled. The only thing that would make it grow as opposed to maintain would be to attach itself to something that's actually attractive on its own, like one of the half dozen pony MMOs. Like trying to weasel into becoming PonyTown's ""official"" forum or some such.

Aside from a big move like that there's no point in getting excited and angry at all the minor details people have been arguing vehemently about on /site/. Taking a social site less seriously would benefit everyone on it a lot more than Ponychan Drama™ usually does.

Tarra.exe !3NiGhtwiNgCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10306

>>9720
Ember, why do you care about that discord server at all?

What is so valuable about this site that it can't have a place extra to chat?

Next you will say that people talking on facebook, twitter, steam, or anything is bad.

Why concern yourself with something you clearly don't like?

that's like me giving a shit about politics.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10308

>>10306
Presumably he thinks it's bad for the site. Which isn't wrong.

It's a classic problem that has plagued generals on 4chan since their inception. A IRC/Skype/Discord siphons content and conversation away from the general. If the general is unhealthy and already slowly dying it speeds up the death. If the general has a neutral or positive user turnover then they resonate with each other and end up producing more content/conversation as a whole. The easier to use group chat apps have become, the more extreme the results. Specific recent examples for both situations would be /hhh/ and /cyoa/ respectively.

Facebook, Twitter, and Steam aren't usually brought into the equation because they're shittier as group IM apps and/or more exclusive/annoying to use, they're unlikely to pull a significant chunk of content or conversation.

Ponychan's userbase is about the size of a larger /mlp/ general, so it seems like an apt thing to expect. The thing Ember doesn't seem to realize is that it doesn't matter after it's made. Anyone can make these things and once it's in use by a social group they'll remake it if it's deleted. It doesn't matter if Astra deletes it and Macil declares that there will never be an Official Ponychan Discord, it's a thing now and it'll always exist, officially or unofficially.

Also Ember has a throbbing hateboner for Astra and he's the one that started the Discord.

tl;dr Ember's fears are probably right, but it's too late now to do anything about it.

Tarra.exe !3NiGhtwiNgCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10309

>>10308
If everything goes the direction I think it will, discord will soon have a facebook look with adding in a wall and a profile background and so forth from what I heard.

on their feedback site, that's like the number 1 thing asked for

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>>10309
Walls were always stupid and haven't ever been used significantly on any forum I've ever been on. If you're thinking of the suggestion I think you are, it wouldn't change anything. There's already a spot they could could shove in a header image (ala Twitter) and the 'User Info' tab already exists and is currently empty. I don't see a significant change to the platform coming if that feature is added.

Tarra.exe !3NiGhtwiNgCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10311

>>10310
more than likely yeah. But the next part is screen sharing which should come in handy for those playing games and wanna share

[r]also porn[/r]

fuck it I give up
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>>10215
*gasp*
It's past noon on Sunday.
Call him out!

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