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☲ Prince Ember Storm!MSNowBALLkCountry code: canadian-red-ensign.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15228[Last 50 Posts]

#serious

I do wish we could cut down on the edgy racist memes, to be honest. All they do is normalize discrimination and racism until that sort of stuff becomes commonplace and suddenly we're a haven for alt-right think and one of our own has decided it's cool to go off and do something actually terrible.

This is something I've thought about for a while now and recently seeing a thread where the OP was literally the n-word and nothing else basically made me make up my mind to say something. Someone has to, honestly. Not doing so is complacence against common decency and, really, we shouldn't be a site that allows discrimination, even in a memetic form, to flourish. After all, so-called ironic discrimination almost certainly becomes unironic after not all that much time.

Hell, it's even against the site rules to be racist, sexist, and discriminatory, yet many examples of that sort of behaviour go un-accounted for. I think we need to work towards removing this sort of behaviour from our small corner of the internet here and hold ourselves accountable to a higher standard of posting. Yes, this is /ef/ and yes, "anything goes (within reason)", but I see no reason to allow the sort of thought that leads to some pretty awful mindsets go unchecked.

So please, can we try to avoid that sort of behaviour? If only to preserve our own dignity and prevent it from becoming so commonplace that it becomes acceptable? Because it isn't acceptable, and it should never be acceptable to be discriminatory.
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I mean that was tolietchan.

You do have a point though. Listen up Ika, stop hating on Mint 'cuz he's a literal nazi.

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>>15228
Yeh, im not super into this. Unless we are talking about how dan is the big gay.

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>>15229
That's not what I meant and you know it. Do you not see the big #serious tag there? Let's actually be serious.

I dislike Mint for being a nazi. That's not what this site is and it shouldn't be acceptable to promote that sort of thinking here, even if it's "just a meme, bro." It's actually proven that it leads down a funnel into more and more discriminatory thinking.

And no, I'm not suggesting we become a hugbox-style safe space. I'm suggesting we be the adults we are and understand that there are things that we should have the common sense and actual decency to know are subjects and opinions that shouldn't be propagated.

>>15230
Dan being the big gay is pretty much true, though. It also isn't conducive to this thread.

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>>15231

On a side note, have you seet it happen allot on pchan?

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>>15232
It happens more than it should. Ideally, we should understand that it's not really acceptable and strive to not have it happen at all. It is literally an infectious way of thinking that can actually contaminate and destroy communities, and it spreads quickly online.

AnonymousCountry code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15234

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fucking libtards trying to limit my freedum of speech

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There are a few of us that speak up against this on the regular. If you interfaced with these people, you wouldn't be giving them the benefit of the doubt of irony. At least 90% of it is unironic. These are people who are convinced that their average lives are extremely terrible, and they want other people to be just as unhappy as they are. They're not edgy libertarian gamerbros that could possibly develop empathy through life experience 5-10 years from now, these are people that are very likely going to take their own lives.

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>>15228
Wow we have a #serious tag?

1) i agree (to a large degree) with your definition of the problem but, i don't see a call to action. Are you asking we cut down on memeing, take mod actions against violating posts, or what?

2) what exactly do you propose be done with Mint? Ostracize him? Some of us have tried to influence him until the others are sick of it. Maybe lobotomy would work but theres no guarantee.

I hope you have some suggestions to go with your complaints cuz i dunno what to do about it.

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>>15236
>Are you asking we cut down on memeing, take mod actions against violating posts, or what?
I think we can all infer that we should all agree on some standard level of decency where we don't make or respond to provocative shitposts. Such an issue shouldn't require special intervention.

I'm not one to advocate for policing of behavior or anything, because I shitpost like it's going out of style. Politics just infiltrates anything everywhere you go, however, and it's all so tiring.

>>15235
You're not wrong.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!MSNowBALLkCountry code: canadian-red-ensign.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15238

>>15236
>I don't see a call to action
What are you looking for in a call to action, then, because it's right there.

It's not memes that's the problem, it's the /pol/tier memes and shitposts that pretend to be "ironically discriminatory." These literally lead to the normalization of discrimination and progress into normalization of violence against those discriminated against.

As for Mint, as much as I dislike him, I haven't seen him do anything of late. I do filter him because I'd rather not deal with a nazi, but so long as he doesn't push his own beliefs publically on this site, nothing should need be done beyond help him realize that he needs to update his worldviews.

>>15237
In general, shitposting's not the issue. It's the discrimination that is the issue.

AnonymousCountry code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 15239

Seems like this just calls for proper enforcement of the rule regarding vitriolic behavior. Shitposting can be shitposting without being vitriolic, and "ironic" shitposting can be done in such a fashion that it is clearly parody. Parody doesn't *have* to invoke Poe's Law.

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Shut up you French bastard.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqICountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15242

/ef/ has and always has been a self moderation board. There's specific rules in the sticky on the front page that are enforced.
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>>15242
You... you kind of heavily missed the point. This isn't about rules, this is about decency and being actual adults. It was a call to be better self moderators and people in general by calling out even memetic discrimination as not only a bad thing, but also a a slippery slope to worse things.

But you missed the point. Way to go. Well done.

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To be honest if I was a mod I'd have probably banned that thread the second I saw it. Not only for being needlessly offensive, but for low quality posting and click baiting.

>>15238
>I haven't seen him do anything of late.

Nice to see some confirmation that I've gotten better over past few weeks.

>>15244
>memetic discrimination

What is "memetic discrimination" and how would you suggest enforcing rules against it?

Personally I'd have rules against maliciously targeting meme against someone or blatantly spamming offensive memes, but other than that I don't see the problem.

If the memes aren't directly offending anyone and they're kept at a reasonable level I don't see why anyone would bother themselves over it.

=J=Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15246

So what are we going to do about the normalization of anti-Ponychanic site hatred that invariably amounts to websites being abandoned and genocided?

What's going to be done to combat the attitude that Discord is an acceptable conduit?

Probably nothing.

The whiners who wounded this site and left it to die on the side of the road because they didn't like the presence of certain opinions are to blame. Without them, there was no one to make any counterarguments, and the local overton window moved when they left.
You don't have a duty to leave a site when it becomes too extremely right for your tastes. If anything, you have a duty to stay and attempt to bring balance. No one can make the choice to stay, and add what precious little spark of life you have to a site, but you. No one makes you leave. It just makes you a pathetic quitter and possibly unworthy of life for doing so.
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>>15244
>memetic discrimination
What in the literal fuck is that?

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I actually agree. People haven't been leaving for Ponyville and Outer Heaven for no reason, one of the biggest reasons has been civility. You can toot the freedom of speech horn till you're blue in the face, but wanting to require basic respect for others doesn't make you literally Stalin.

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>>15247
It's memes with a discriminatory feel, like that thread I mentioned in the OP where Toiletchan made a post that was just the n-word. Stuff like that may just be baseless shitposting, but it leads to actual racism and hate because we start accepting the memes, then we accept the actual racism, and sooner or later, we're full blown /pol/tier turds with no respect for humanity.

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>>15248
Okay so what do we rename /ef/ then? Seeing as the rules in the sticky (which is what the people in Outer Heaven wanted) aren't enough. Ponyville isn't even relevant, they left as soon we merged and didn't bother to work anything out.

>>15249
Toiletchan has always been that way. It's shitposting. So what do you we suggest we do? Enforce the global rules on /ef/ now? Funny how people chew me out for creating rules, but now they want more rules and to be told what to do. Funny that.

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>>15248
What about the gulag-and-guillotine shitposting squad back in the day? No one complained about them, and ironically now they're a lot of those who left en masse and took the traffic with them, mainly for political reasons.
It couldn't be toxicity that caused them to flee, because they were plenty toxic themselves. It was arrogance over beliefs dissonance with other parts of the userbase.

/Pol/posting doesn't stand out as much as it does if you have heavy masses of other perspectives to balance it out. Now, with just fewer people to begin with, one single voice can ring a lot louder than it should.
It's human arrogance that created these conditions. If you don't want echo chamber effects to build up, just fill the waters with some of your own color.

>>15250
I'd say pay it no heed. Ember's an emotionally stunted twerp who can't comprehend the endless salt and arrogance in most of what he says; he's in no position to be complaining about the need to moderate others' toxicity "because it's rayciss this time."
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>>15251
>What about the gulag-and-guillotine shitposting squad back in the day? No one complained about them, and ironically now they're a lot of those who left en masse and took the traffic with them, mainly for political reasons.
Fucking this though.

Also, it's just upsetting, we are a small simple community. We have been fine for a while now. People still have fun, but the moment someone starts shitposting a bit too hard it's game over. /ef/ is and always was the controversial place. We have /oat/ for a reason.

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>>15249
It's the fact that people like you say these things with a conceit of self-awareness that i reject this narrative completely. Imagine if we had sheltered little school children with no exposure to Marx sporadically making Marxist talking points, or kids never exposed to Ayn Rand quoting Atlas Shrugged and the Fountainhead, to the point where all our institutions regularly had big mandatory focus groups to clean away people's "unconscious Marxism" or "toxic Objectivism." As outsiders looking on at that, we'd see that as a perverse social conditioning program to repress our basic nature. Yet when we do it against "racist attitudes," somehow it becomes acceptable.

If you need to constantly, actively shell yourself from the most benign suggestion of an idea to prevent it from affecting you, the idea isn't a horrific unnatural bias, you are the one who's built up a puritanical bias against the idea. Sorry, if a meme can burst through the whole damn just be trickling through the crack, then it deserves to spread, and its power to do so is more reflective of what humans have in common than of the inherent "evil" of that idea.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!MSNowBALLkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15254

>>15250
Originally, this thread wasn't about rules. I made it on /ef/ because it was a request for us as posters to look at what we post and maybe try to ease off the memes and shitposts that promote discrimination.

>>15252
We've had these /pol/tier shitposts on and off for a while. It's also, like I've said several times, less that this is that much of an issue and more of a request to be more thoughtful with things. The fact is that this thread was moved to a place where it's being treated as if I wanted actual rules implemented, when ALL I SAID was "Hey posters, can we maybe think about not posting discriminatory content? I know it's rare, but normalizing it leads to a slippery slope and that's not cool."

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>>15254
>I made it on /ef/ because it was a request for us as posters to look at what we post and maybe try to ease off the memes and shitposts that promote discrimination.
Well see here's the thing, people are going to shitpost. It's going to happen one way or the other. It's just how it is.

>>15254
>"Hey posters, can we maybe think about not posting discriminatory content? I know it's rare, but normalizing it leads to a slippery slope and that's not cool."
Nobody is normalizing anything though. It's just one guy within the last year who decided to shitpost. It's honestly annoying how people grossly exaggerate the of "/pol/tier posts' that take place.

Starshine!Laura/wmXMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15256

I made a big angry thread very closely related to this just a few days ago, so it's not like this stuff just gets a free pass.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!MSNowBALLkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15257

>>15255
>people are going to shitpost
Sure, but shitposts don't have to be ironically racist to be shitposts.

>nobody is normalizing anything

The mere fact that no one responds to discrimination in shitposts shows that there is normalization or acceptance of the content. Like sure, we brush it off, but we allow it to happen unchecked and it probably should at least have someone say "Hey so that's not really cool, yo"

>>15256
Yes, you do make threads like this and I appreciate that.

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>>15257
>Sure, but shitposts don't have to be ironically racist to be shitposts.
Sometimes they are at times.

>The mere fact that no one responds to discrimination in shitposts shows that there is normalization or acceptance of the content. Like sure, we brush it off, but we allow it to happen unchecked and it probably should at least have someone say "Hey so that's not really cool, yo"

I mean, some people did, but people also seen as not that big of deal. People who serious get condemned. I mean, shit people (including myself) spend entire threads condemning Mint Horse for his views.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!MSNowBALLkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15259

>>15258
>Sometimes they are at times.
They shouldn't be.

Whelp!!Discord ## ModCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15260

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To an extent, I agree that /ef/ has become a bit of a cesspit. It seems like 2/3 threads are about politics, and a decent chunk of those are either just trying to create a shouting match, or outright baiting. I wish that wasn't so. With that being said, however...

Ember, you honestly have a tendency to be rather oversensitive. You're not the only one, mind, but since you're currently sticking your neck out by making the thread, you're the one I'm gonna point out. I've already had to dismiss one report you made in this thread for what I, frankly, thought was a rather ridiculous reason.

Why am I bringing that up, you might ask. Because, well, I'm not sure there's really a way to enforce a code of civility without most people thinking it either goes too far, or not far enough. I see the things you people report, the things you think are over the line. And some of you just have vastly different ideas of what constitutes harassment and bad behavior to the point where we need to take action. And that's not just Ember, that's a bunch of people. So with that in mind, while we can go to work making /ef/ a more civil place, bear in mind that whatever standards we end up adhering to will not make most of you happy, because people have vastly different standards for acceptable behavior.

Now, ignoring potential enforcement from the staff for a moment, what about what you actually meant, for people to act more civil towards one another? Well, it's quite the same problem, innit? People simply cannot agree on any sort of limits for what constitutes civility, so the end result just becomes the same nonsense as what we have now. For instance, some people might think it's okay to behave in ways towards certain people that might not be acceptable towards others due to those people holding certain beliefs, or whatever. And I'm not saying that's right or wrong either, because I only have my own viewpoint, and I'm highly some arbiter of morality. Even if I were to go on a spree of banning all the people I didn't like, it'd just be reversed, as it should be.

So that leaves us at an impasse. People could pledge to be better towards one another, but that only works if everyone agrees on what that constitutes, and acts in good faith. The mods could enforce such behavior, but then it'd be up to us to determine what constitutes decent behavior. Do you all trust us to do that? Because, right now, I/we are only cracking down on the most egregious offences, which you note doesn't include things such as calling someone else the N-word.

Again, I'm not entirely happy with the current state of /ef/, but I'm not sure what the correct course of action to correct it is. Feel free to lay out some ideas if you have them. I can't guarantee that they'll be put into action, but I can guarantee that they'll at least be put up for consideration. After all, this is supposed to be a forum of sorts for discussion (In the traditional sense, not the internet sense), and the staff is ultimately here to try and make this a place that as many people as possible like to spend time in, so if you have any ideas on how that could be done better, by all means, put them forth.

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>>15259
You know as the saying goes, "just because you can, doesn't mean you should". Well, this is the case here.

>>15260
>but I'm not sure what the correct course of action to correct it is. Feel free to lay out some ideas if you have them.
100% this.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!MSNowBALLkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15263

>>15261
Yes, just because you can be a /pol/tier shitposter (because it's only a joke guys, comon), doesn't mean you should.

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>>15228
>and one of our own has decided it's cool to go off and do something actually terrible.

Did I miss something?

☲ Prince Ember Storm!MSNowBALLkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15265

>>15264
No. That was a hypothetical end result based on what acceptance of these edgy memes and shitposts can and has led to.

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>>15263
Yes, people shitpost.

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>>15250
If Ember wants civility and kindness he can post on >/oat/.

By completely missing the point of /ef/ and making it a neutral playground where no one will be interested in posting in. The fact they can't handle the low level shitpost compared to the torrents you and toilet made back in the day makes me laugh.

Plus Ember rarely posts here, not enough to warrant changing the way one part of the website behaves to heed his own personal narrative.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!MSNowBALLkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15268

>>15266
And that won't stop. My entire argument has been that we as posters should be willing to stand up and say "no, that's not cool" when the shitpost involves edgy content.

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>>15268
You're free to do so, just as we're free to point and laugh at you.

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Thony was the most potentially violent person here and he was a roid-raging SJW commie in the most literal sense of the word.

No, idiot, most angsty neets are not going to go Zealand before they suicide. Honestly, after Dylann Roof shot up a black church because he spent too much time on stormfront, you'd think people would've been cracking down as hard on potential rightist terrorism as they are now, but they weren't, they had to take this last recent attack on a religious site SPECIFICALLY as impetus to crack down.
That tells me that the scare created about this last guy is disingenuous and being done in bad faith, not out of genuine fear. It feels so manufactured and cro-magnons like OP are falling for it.

Not to mention, this was an accelerationist. If you respond to them with fear, you've fought half their battle for them.

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>>15270

This is /site/, not /ef/. Please refrain from making personal attacks.

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>>15249
>but it leads to actual racism and hate because we start accepting the memes, then we accept the actual racism, and sooner or later, we're full blown /pol/tier turds with no respect for humanity

Except for the part where stage 2 doesn't happen because people with morals don't just suddenly "accept" racism after seeing a few more memes than normal.

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>>15272
People on the internet don't always have morals.

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>>15251
>What about the gulag-and-guillotine shitposting squad back in the day? No one complained about them, and ironically now they're a lot of those who left en masse and took the traffic with them, mainly for political reasons.
>It couldn't be toxicity that caused them to flee, because they were plenty toxic themselves. It was arrogance over beliefs dissonance with other parts of the userbase.

I know this may get me some shit so I'll try to preface this by saying I know they can go overboard and it can annoy me at times but to put it in simple terms it is the eye for an eye mentality. If they see behavior they have reason to believe can lead to radicalization and dangerous behavior that is harmful to innocent people who haven't been involved in any of the toxicity and nothing is done about it they reserve their right to start reacting the same way in kind until something is done about it. Trust me, they all left because they couldn't stand it anymore despite their behaviors and regardless of if they are arguably hypocrites. But don't generalize all of them as if they all acted like that.

>>15260
Also I just want to say that being oversensitive doesn't have to have anything to do with finding something to be a problem. I kind of doubt Ember felt personally attacked by whatever happened.

>Why am I bringing that up, you might as



That's the burden that generally comes with being a staff though. Ultimately you have to decide if no one can agree and a problem remains. Yes if you piss people off and make them think you're going too far it could make things worse but if you remain complacent then nothing gets done. A good start would probably be to not allow people to say things like the full n word regardless of if it is just to shitpost but admittedly that would only be a start.

>>15270
One person doesn't represent the whole. But it is funny because I recall him once saying he misses you and he seemed to think you were a bit different. But sure I never quite approved of how he handled things and even when the person he's lashing out against totally deserves it I may find it questionable. But tbh he was always like this as far as I knew him even before he changed his political views, he just targeted different people and I feel like the only reason people don't tend to acknowledge that is because at that point in time he aligned more with their point of view rather than against it. I'm not saying I dislike him now or that anyone should and I'm not meaning to attack him but I think it's worth pointing out that I've seen similar stuff from him tolerated even before he started being left and then it's seen as a problem when he is.

>No, idiot, most angsty neets are not going to go Zealand before they suicide.


The problem is similar incidents with similar motives have happened a bit too many times recently and it's kind of obvious what fuels them. And even aside from the violence consider what it is like to be around people who so openly attack everything they are vocally. Imagine what it's like to be a minority and then everyone wonders if you're going to be dangerous or if you're going to do something everyone hates all because nonsense was allowed to spread about them perpetuated by stuff not unlike some of what you'd find on /ef/.

>Honestly, after Dylann Roof shot up a black church because he spent too much time on stormfront


How do you think they end up on stormfront in the firstplace though? Do you think it just happens one day without some sort of exposure to /pol/-like stuff?

>>15272
Thing is though people are not always that constantly aware of themselves or the things that gradually influence them. Yes people can have self-control but there is a lot of truth to "you become what you hang around" if you aren't properly hardened against it. If you even leave little openings one thing can lead to another for the more vulnerable regardless of if they have morals because it's one little compromise, and then it's another little compromise and so on and then suddenly a person can be doing things they never dreamed they would be doing.
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>>15273
Morality is subjective.

If human behavior usually handles respect reciprocally, then those who hold the opposite of what you believe have every """"right"""" to use the same tactics you and yours are using against you.
Hope you're prepared to deal with that.

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>>15274

And I do, but I've frequented plenty of places where staff decisions were unquestionable by anyone, and I didn't like that, so I open myself and others up to questioning. We know we're not infallible, and we largely rely on the users to tell us when we fuck up. So if the users want things to change, that's fine - we just need to know how people feel like they ought to change.

You're providing feedback right now, that's great. If most people feel the same way, then we can change that. That's the whole point of asking what people think, after all.
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>>15273
>>15274
>If you even leave little openings one thing can lead to another for the more vulnerable regardless of if they have morals because it's one little compromise, and then it's another little compromise and so on and then suddenly a person can be doing things they never dreamed they would be doing.

Sounds like some pussy pushover.

I don't know about others but I hold my ground cause I'm not some babby afraid of hurting other people's feelings or having an unpopular opinion when I stand for my beliefs/morals.

And since NOT being a nazi is a VERY popular opinion, I don't feel even remotely challenged if I were to affirm my stance.

>>15273
Everyone has morals.
Some people just don't have morals that are in line with yours.
The internet just gives people the freedom to speak their mind more truthfully due to the anonymity.
Or the freedom to shitpost as well, I suppose.

I have a hard time believing that most people are as weak-willed as you say.

If that were true, surely you too would be a raging alt-right racist by now. But you aren't, and neither am I.

Just look at yourself and you can see that people aren't willing to change their beliefs as easily as you seem to think just because somebody said the N word. Things that don't align with your own system just go in one ear and out the other.

Unless of course you're a sensitive whippersnapper that likes to whine about everything under the sun like so many do these days.

Grow some thicker skin boy, lord knows you'll need it on the internet, especially in places like this.
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>>15276
>And I do, but I've frequented plenty of places where staff decisions were unquestionable by anyone, and I didn't like that

I tend to not either so it's a complicated mess. I would still encourage a bit more cracking down personally.

>>15277
>Sounds like some pussy pushover.

I'd call it being human. This isn't really at all related to being a pushover it's what can happen with the complexity of the mind and how it can operate. There is reason why basically everyone is a hypocrite at some point but that is also not an excuse to not try to be better.

>And since NOT being a nazi is a VERY popular opinion, I don't feel even remotely challenged if I were to affirm my stance.


You don't have to be a literal nazi to be harmful though. Hell you don't even have to be right on the political spectrum. And that's not me saying "everyone to my right is alt-right" or some shit like that because someone right around where I am could also be spouting about how women are the scum of the earth and going on some worrying elliot rodger-tier rants. You don't have to go full "everyone who is not like me deserves to be gassed" to be a problem or a potential problem.

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>>15278
So you think women are the scum of the earth?

Cuff em boys. /s

Dude, from the VICIOUSLY savage disagreement you have with my point of view, that right there is proof that you have no problem disagreeing with someone if their statements don't line up with your beliefs.

You are literally proving my point by slamming your foot down on the floor so hard you broke your ankle.

Clearly you're not about to just sit there and let somebody rant about something you dislike.
So when it happens, keep doing your thing you mad lad.

I don't know if you've noticed, but any time you bring up a hot topic (ESPECIALLY) politics, people are SUPER argumentative towards "them" (the other side, whatever it is) and get defensive as hell trying to stand by their points. That's literally every political debate I've seen, whether it be on the internet or in school or elsewhere.

If you think these passionate people are going to be swayed by some idiot shitposting then you're quite foolish in my opinion.

I worry that you may cross the line somewhere in your head (whether consciously or subconsciously) from "this is a potentially bad influence" to "I don't like this bad thing so I want to censor it".

And censorship is bad, even when it's censoring bullshit like nazis.

If you let some nazi punks or shitposters take away my freedom of speech, you're giving them power. Please don't give them power and take away my rights.
That's fucked up dog.
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>>15267
I have no interest in changing /ef/. It's already bad enough we had to change the rules to appeal to people who wanted to sit in a Discord server because they felt everyone was a Nazi. These people aren't even here anymore.

>>15268
Be my guest, then.

>>15279
Well said.

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>>15280
Basically my point.

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>>15274
>Trust me, they all left because they couldn't stand it anymore despite their behaviors and regardless of if they are arguably hypocrites.
Then they're culpable. If we're judging people not by methods or intent and just by effects alone, then them leaving is partially responsible for /pol/ attitudes being amplified.


>The problem is similar incidents with similar motives have happened a bit too many times recently and it's kind of obvious what fuels them.

What fuels them is that people start with more moderate stances because their life experience tells them it's what's best for a person in their position in the world. Then, when they see how hopelessly gridlocked the political system is to meeting even a tiny one of their demands, they move towards even more radical beliefs and resort to direct action to get there. They have no other recourse.
Do you think anyone would be adopting stances that seem so repugnant and vile to you without realizing how heavy a burden it is? Do you think they'd just make such a serious sacrifice like that, make themselves modern pariahs, if they didn't believe it was absolutely necessary? Why do you think anyone's ever joined ISIS?

Maybe instead of flushing all this energy into squelching ideas that can't be stopped, we should be looking at the environment that makes these ideas so favorable.

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>Imagine what it's like to be a minority and then everyone wonders if you're going to be dangerous or if you're going to do something everyone hates

What happens to other people is not my problem. I'm not throwing bricks at blacks and muslims; to equate my indifference to naturally changing social attitudes with that is Ship of Theseus logic. It's only technically true. If you become fervent enough in nipping the spread of mere ideas in the bud with the desperation of actually saving people from terrorism, you are now the antisocial force. You are now the one being disruptive.

And that there are people who rattle out little quips like "Oh, you don't want to become a minority? Why? They're not treated poorly, are they??" gives you a glimpse of how much sinister race hatred the social justice gang really nurses.
Progressives are not concerned with making this civilization a stable and sustainable one that prospers on its own merits. There are plenty of them that are fundamentally opposed to the society itself that I happen to belong to by default, and would be fine with murdering me in order to destroy that society. Maybe if they could focus more on serious issues like getting more automation into the military to phase out humans and prepare for the imminent global warming and seriously support a new currency to phase out the Petrodollar, instead of endlessly proselytizing about indestructible unconscious biases, I'd be open.


>But it is funny because I recall him once saying he misses you and he seemed to think you were a bit different.

You can tell him I personally told you to tell him I hope he gets crushed by a truck.
Shame, really. Of all the people I seemed to have so much in common with that regarded me as a pest, somehow it's the one living avatar for everything I hate about the world that develops a man-crush for me. Bastion of "tolerance and acceptance" spending every spare moment screeching about how cringey teenagers and bad cosplayers commit the crime of doing things they enjoy, ever larping as a rage-fueled tank self-appointed to enforce norms shared by none but himself.
Eh. Humans. Everywhere you go, they shun you. But what can you do?...


>You don't have to go full "everyone who is not like me deserves to be gassed" to be a problem or a potential problem.

Then you are an establishment warrior, not a freedom fighter.
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>>15279
>So you think women are the scum of the earth?

I don't but I'm using that as an example because I knew a literal communist (who has never been on ponychan ever just to be clear) who pretty much did that. And I'm definitely not a communist for sure. I know you're doing sarcasm but I just wanted to be clear.

>You are literally proving my point by slamming your foot down on the floor so hard you broke your ankle.


Again what.

>Dude, from the VICIOUSLY savage disagreement you have with my point of view, that right there is proof that you have no problem disagreeing with someone if their statements don't line up with your beliefs.


What. Viciously savage? And are you really going for the "you disagree with my point of view therefore you acknowledge you can be wrong because disagreement exists"? Because that doesn't really say anything at all. That's kind of a no shit we're all human.

>I don't know if you've noticed, but any time you bring up a hot topic (ESPECIALLY) politics, people are SUPER argumentative towards "them" (the other side, whatever it is) and get defensive as hell trying to stand by their points. That's literally every political debate I've seen, whether it be on the internet or in school or elsewhere.


So does that instantly mean there is never a "them" that is actually a problem or being problematic with their behavior? If not I don't see what the point of saying this is...

>If you think these passionate people are going to be swayed by some idiot shitposting then you're quite foolish in my opinion.


Like I said, they won't be swayed. It's often a very gradual process but normalizing even in a shitposting way can and does have a hand in it and I think you're rather naive if you think that isn't even at least possible by now.

>I worry that you may cross the line somewhere in your head (whether consciously or subconsciously) from "this is a potentially bad influence" to "I don't like this bad thing so I want to censor it".


Things like threats are already rather "censored" pretty much everywhere whether you like it or not. Everyone has their own line for what is and isn't acceptable in speech and what does and does not have consequences for it even you I'm sure. There is no true "free speech" it's just a matter where you draw the line just like there is no true freedom.

>f you let some nazi punks or shitposters take away my freedom of speech, you're giving them power. Please don't give them power and take away my rights.


Okay but a lot of communities whether irl or not have standards and they have their right to standards and what is and isn't acceptable. And there will be people who disagree with every standard out there but so what? Would you allow for example someone spamming CP to just keep doing it because freedom? No you wouldn't. Sure we can't agree on what should and should not be the standard I'm sure but that won't stop me from trying... if I feel like it. And frankly I'm already getting a bit tired of it.
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I think you guys are missing the point of this thread. Ember isn't calling for censorship, he's explicitly said it's not about rules. He's just calling out harmful behavior and saying that others should be more vigilant about doing the same.

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>>15284
If the rules were important, Ember would be gone long ago. We all know all he ever does is find whatever excuse he can to lord his self-righteousness dick over someone else, even if it means stooping to Chis-chan-tier cuckoldry like making vague sweeping death threats to all "nyahtzees" in the world. The transparent bad faith of the whole thing makes my duodenum cramp up.
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>>15283
Oh god this post hurts my brain. I could spend more time dissecting it and responding properly but I can tell you're not quite up to speed on this level of discussion so it would be a waste of time to continue further with you.

You fail to understand points I make, you contradict yourself on the same line, actually address the dripping sarcasm that's even accented with a /s, and you also said things that are downright not true.

Dang I thought this was going to be a more interesting discussion.

>Would you allow for example someone spamming CP to just keep doing it because freedom?

By the way, this is without a doubt the worst example/point I've ever heard. That wouldn't be allowed because it's fucking illegal and also not free speech as it's pictures of naked little girls you insanely intelligent person.

Thank you for playing:
You are the weakest link, goodbye

>>15284
Yeah but then you're addressing the shitposters.

And shitposters don't care.

So at the end of the day, if you actually have a problem with it, it's not going to go away unless you censor it.
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>>15282
>Then they're culpable. If we're judging people not by methods or intent and just by effects alone, then them leaving is partially responsible for /pol/ attitudes being amplified.

I mean I agree but only in the sense that the ideological balance has shifted as a result of their absence. Which is a shame but I can't really blame them.

>Do you think anyone would be adopting stances that seem so repugnant and vile to you without realizing how heavy a burden it is?


It's more like this stop demonizing it as much until they eventually accept it.

>What fuels them is that people start with more moderate stances because their life experience tells them it's what's best for a person in their position in the world. Then, when they see how hopelessly gridlocked the political system is to meeting even a tiny one of their demands, they move towards even more radical beliefs and resort to direct action to get there.


I mean sure that's a part of it. But not all of it and it doesn't really explain why people develop unrelated beliefs like muslims are generally evil and what to take over the entire world and none of them can be trusted and there is no such thing as a moderate muslim or some other random baseless stereotype. It just explains why they can get more extreme on policies and economics.

>Maybe instead of flushing all this energy into squelching ideas that can't be stopped, we should be looking at the environment that makes these ideas so favorable.


That's a part of the issue of course. But it's definitely not the only root of the problem.

>Of all the people I seemed to have so much in common with that regarded me as a pest


Was he really the only one or are you maybe forgetting someone who didn't regard you as a pest either?

>Then you are an establishment warrior, not a freedom fighter.


How exactly is acknowledging something as a problem inherently being an "establishment warrior" unless having opinions about what is bad is not allowed? Don't you think that's a bit silly? I mean ya I'm not necessarily against action but I also think it should be handled carefully just like with any other policy.

>>15284
I think people are missing the point of my posts and the fact that I said it's complicated. Obviously if he's pointing out a problem, he thinks there should be a solution though and how many solutions can you think of aside from moderator action of some sort? But it is complicated obviously and it can be scary having people lord over what you can and can not do.

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>>15286
>Oh god this post hurts my brain. I could spend more time dissecting it and responding properly but I can tell you're not quite up to speed on this level of discussion so it would be a waste of time to continue further with you.

I think it's maybe time for you to go watch some rick and morty.

>actually address the dripping sarcasm that's even accented with a /s,


And? I said I knew you were being sarcastic while doing it? If anything it's now your fault for apparently not realizing that I realized what you were saying.

>You fail to understand points I make


You wording things in a slightly confusing way is no fault of my own, and for everything else disagreeing with my perspective does not make me on a "lesser level of discussion".

>you contradict yourself on the same line

>and you also said things that are downright not true.


[Citation needed]

>By the way, this is without a doubt the worst example/point I've ever heard. That wouldn't be allowed because it's fucking illegal and also not free speech as it's pictures of naked little girls you insanely intelligent person.


It doesn't need to be good. It was just making a point about how there is no true freedom and by extension there is no true freedom of speech. Again, in practice it's all about where people draw the line when it comes to free speech.
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>>15285
You gotta chill with the personal attacks my man, especially on /site/.

And I've got to say, I've been seeing a very concerning pattern on the internet as a whole, of people interpreting "hey, maybe we shouldn't be saying/doing these things, because they're likely harmful to society" as "hey, maybe we should get big daddy government to systematically slaughter everyone who says/does these things".

Criticism is not censorship. Saying something shouldn't be done is not censorship.

>>15286
You say that as if shitposters are just robots who are programmed to spout racial slurs rather than humans who can be reasoned with.

>>15287
It is complicated, yes. I think there's no easy answer to the free speech vs. hate speech issue, though as far as the internet is concerned, a rule saying "no racial slurs" is hardly comparable to an authoritarian government sending secret police after people for wrongthink.
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I already told you I'm not participating in this conversation anymore for the logical reasons I listed.
I hope you're having fun typing. I'm sure not reading it.

>>15289
Hmm, I suppose you have somewhat of a point.
I'd say that some shitposters CAN be reasonable and open to discussion but there is no denying that SOME shitposters simply do not give a shit about anything and do what they want because "it's the internet and I'm anonymous xD".
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>>15286
> because it's fucking illegal and also not free speech as it's pictures of naked little girls you insanely intelligent person.

Also since you seem to be having a hard time keeping up who the fuck said it was free speech? Lmao. You accuse me of failing to understand the points I make while you're basically doing the same thing.

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>>15291
see >>15290

You bore me, shoo.
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>>15292
And I would prefer if you'd actually read why I think you got me all wrong instead of just ducking your head in the sand thinking you're the smartest person alive.

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>>15293
[ATTENTION]

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Do people actually believe that seeing racist memes is going to make people racist?
That's akin to saying 'If people listen to violent music, they will become violent."
Chances are if an ironic racist meme "influences" you to become racist, you were already racist. A fucking meme does not have the power to warp your mind.
All the talk of "normalization" is asinine. People wanna talk about normalizing racism but what about all the other shit that memes would have to normalize if you follow that line of thought? If a meme with the N-word "normalizes racism" does that mean that a meme about, idk, talking cats normalize the belief that cats can talk?
There is no logic here.

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>>15295
THANK YOU!

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Well if there is one thing I should know better at this point it's that this site will never change and it sure won't change simply by just asking users to stop. I don't know why I still randomly come back and have hope for it. If anything that is my mistake.

But also fuck ponyville and for the most part fuck the discord too. It's all different separated varieties of shit flavored ice cream lately by the look of it.

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>>15295
>If a meme with the N-word "normalizes racism" does that mean that a meme about, idk, talking cats normalize the belief that cats can talk? There is no logic here.
Kind of a false equivalence here, don't you think? Racists clearly exist in real life and on the internet. Talking cats don't.

This is also a bit of a misinterpretation of what "normalization" means. Nobody is claiming that a single meme with the n-word is all it takes to make someone hate black people. Yet it's self-evident that this kind of humor attracts a certain crowd, filled with people who push and reinforce each other's racist ideas. These kinds of mindset shifts are gradual and hard to really pin down, but they obviously exist; otherwise, the alt-right wouldn't have gained the traction it has, and young far-righters like Mint horse wouldn't exist.

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>>15301
This entirely.

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>>15295
>If a meme with the N-word "normalizes racism" does that mean that a meme about, idk, talking cats normalize the belief that cats can talk?
Kind of a false equivalence

Posting racist memes can normalize that saying racist things is inherently not hurtful or harmful. Posting talking cat memes can normalize that talking about talking cats is not hurtful or harmful.

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>>15301
>this kind of humor attracts a certain crowd
But that was exactly my point, the memes aren't doing anything, these people already exist, and you can't just say "these memes are bad" because they attract whatever crowd when there are plenty (really, more) people who aren't bigots or whatever and can just get a quick laugh out of it and go about their day.
It isn't the fault of non-racist normal people that certain memes attract certain other people. You can't ban knives because a few people stab each other with them, you know what I mean?
Some people really oversell the "influence" or "power" that memes even have.

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>>15295
Problem is that sensitive people are going to whine no matter what and never understand the first point you made.

>>15297
Have you tried putting some salt on your ice cream before? I hear it's quite good.

Goodbye, you will be missed very, very much!

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>>15305
"So salty xD" I just wanna see how long I can go till I get banned at this point.

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>>15306
Oh no, but if you get banned, we'll lose a valued member of our community that contributes quality content and doesn't cause any unnecessary drama! That would be a tragedy.

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>>15307
I've been entirely civil up to this point but I'm sure your lizard brain hasn't noticed.

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>>15307
>>15308
You two are both aware that this isn't the purpose of the thread? If you're going to go at it like two tsunderes who refuse to admit their love for the other, do it in private or not at all. But not in this thread. K, thx.

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>>15309
I agree and this is exactly what issuing bans or at least having moderators step in is for.

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>>15304
>You can't ban knives because a few people stab each other with them, you know what I mean?
No, but you can certainly question why the mall ninja kid feels the need to bring his collection of butterfly knives to school every day and why he's letting the 6th graders play with them.

And I must say knives have a lot more practical value than "I'm going to say the n word xD". This still seems like a false equivalence. A better comparison would be smoking cigarettes. Something I'm not for the (universal) prohibition of, but will absolutely say is a bad thing that nobody should do.

>>15306
tbh you're not the one cruising for a /site/ civility ban right now

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>>15297
Oh hey, welcome back Anonthony.

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>>15311
>A better comparison would be smoking cigarettes. Something I'm not for the (universal) prohibition of, but will absolutely say is a bad thing that nobody should do.
Kind of a tangent but haven't you advocated for literally every drug being legal before? How do you reconcile "I don't think anybody should do this" with "I think this and even worse drugs should be 100% legal"?
Again please refer to the point I made:
>It's like thinking violent music makes people violent
...which has been debunked over and over and over and over.
Apparently edgy memes are the new target for watchdogs, I guess. They couldn't win the war against hip-hop/metal, or video games, so now we need a new "controversial" scapegoat for why the youth are so fucked up. I'm sorry Starshine but I cannot see eye to eye with you on this.
Why don't we take a look at the environments bigots grow up in? Their family life (the people who ACTUALLY influence them)? Their schools/education (that our government doesn't want to give proper funding)? etc.
Fucking MEMES are not the problem and literally never were.
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>>15311
Maybe I should be. I'll stop for now I guess. Think my stress is fucking with me a bit.

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>>15309
To be fair, he literally started it by posting "this site is shit, the discord is shit, you're all shit!!!!!!"

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>>15315
>you're all shit!!!!!!"

I definitely never said that.

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>this site is shit
>the discord is shit
>everything here is covered in shit

>o-oh no I didn't mean you guys, the people that make the site what it is

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>>15317
An experience can be shit without thinking the people involved are shit.

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>>15317
Again, cut it out with the off topic personal attacks.

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>>15318
Yeah, and what about the discord and Ponyville do you think are shit that aren't derived from the people posting there or running it?

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>>15320
Skirting the rules a bit. Best to stop posting in this thread bud.

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>>15287
>Which is a shame but I can't really blame them.
I can and will. I won't take the blame for whoever was spreading propaganda in 2014 just because I share the site.
Some people just need fringey scum pits to hang out in. The world's overwhelmingly clean and prim and it's stifling to tell yourself you have to live up to that every moment.


>It's more like this stop demonizing it as much until they eventually accept it.

Which is evidence that it wasn't wrong in the first place. If you need an entire society to be constantly guilt-policing itself on a ground level for certain mere suggestions that sprout up again without fail no matter how hard you squelch them, that's not a viral idea taking over your mind that you just weren't vigilant against. It's a basic human behavior that society is actively wasting energy trying to suppress.

>why people develop unrelated beliefs like muslims are generally evil and what to take over the entire world and none of them can be trusted


Y'know, I've witnessed plenty evidence of the notion that a lot of muslims are chill, and seeing them fills me not with fear, but guilt that my cautionary take on the future might eventually make us enemies, which I hope it doesn't. Now there are people who seeing some of the things I believe might assume i'm straight-up in favor of more deportations.
I do feel icky about it all. But I'm also concerned that accepting the inevitability of a culture changing, even from a more secular state to a more religious one, might be a poor choice. Even in the wake of christianity's depreciation, the strain of secular humanism has been a parochial, authoritarian force, that endlessly demands more and more sacrifices from people in the name of its ever tightening ideals, and ostracizes and persecutes its "heretics." I fear only worse still awaits if a truly empassioned religion gains sufficient mass a second time. And am I to deny the pain and tears of those who claimed to see the chaos in Europe? Are they all just white nationalist cells shilling lies and not everyday people showing us what they've suffered through?
I'm not saying I know. I'm saying I don't know. I don't know if you or anyone else knows, either. And I'm not just going to blindly place my trust in Humanism Gang. There's no place for faith in a tumultuous world.

>How exactly is acknowledging something as a problem inherently being an "establishment warrior" unless having opinions about what is bad is not allowed?

I'm in favor of using direct action to police extremely ethnocentric regimes. Not ethnocentric individual actions. If people don't share values with someone they label racist, they can choose not to associate with them. If you're using collective action to target small individuals who aren't all but buying paramilitaries to run the country, you're doing something that's more authoritarian than what they're doing, even if you're not the State.


>Was he really the only one or are you maybe forgetting someone who didn't regard you as a pest either?

GENERAL KENOBI!


>>15289
>And I've got to say, I've been seeing a very concerning pattern on the internet as a whole, of people interpreting "hey, maybe we shouldn't be saying/doing these things, because they're likely harmful to society" as "hey, maybe we should get big daddy government to systematically slaughter everyone who says/does these things".

Because "harmful to society" is then your framework, not "help, my society is actively oppressing me and I want more freedom from them."
An act of society is an act of group selfishness. You cannot advocate justice for all if you accept society but just try to "improve" it. Society requires individual sacrifice for the organism, you're just redirecting the sacrificial crosshairs elsewhere.

Using "justice" as your starting point can, even if it doesn't necessarily, absolve some people of responsibility for the means used to reach their ends of "justice." And it has, in the past. Justice is problematic because it appeals to the puritan neurotype, which has a great propensity for acting social change with little regard for personal autonomy as we tend to think of it, and have occupied both sides of the conventional political spectrum while using violent States to enforce their ideals by any means necessary.

It doesn't matter if you support justice without using law/violence to get there, because the fundamentally systemic thinking behind "justice" draws those who would use law like flies to shit. Remember how nationalism and eugenics were both used to justify state coercion around the turn of the last century? Those things both started out as parts of the Progressive movement. Their moral framework was so systemic to begin with that not violating people's "rights" did not occur to them, because justice and progress were all they valued.

I'm not justifying the line of thought that even could potentially be used be egalitarian states to snuff out racists, sorry.
And there is a point at which race jokes do stop being funny. I do admit, I wish we had something more.

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>>15313
>Kind of a tangent but haven't you advocated for literally every drug being legal before?
>How do you reconcile "I don't think anybody should do this" with "I think this and even worse drugs should be 100% legal"?
Yes, and I stand by that. It's also worth mentioning that I'm not saying racist memes should be made illegal. Is it really so hard to understand that there's a gap between "this is objectively harmful and shouldn't be done" and "the State should use force to ensure nobody does this"?

Drug criminalization has demonstrably done much more harm than good, and has been laughably ineffective in preventing drug addiction, to say nothing of the immensely imbalanced and irrational severity with which certain drugs are treated relative to their actual harm potential, and the additional damage done by suppression of harm reduction education and life-saving overdose antidotes like naloxone. But that's a subject for another thread.

>It's like thinking violent music makes people violent

You don't think someone who only listens to violent music might be a bit more likely to be predisposed to violence? Again, it's not as clear-cut as "violent music/movies/games make people violent", but correct me if I'm wrong: a lot of big-name gangsta rappers in the 90's died because of gang violence, yes? If violent themes and imagery are a core element of a particular subculture, and that manifests itself in the real life actions of a subset of those subcultures (gang violence and violent music, racism and chan culture), don't you think there's something worth critically examining there?

That doesn't mean gangsta rap should be illegal, that doesn't mean you're a bad and violent person if you like it (I do!), but it does mean we have a responsibility to be self-aware and self-reflective on the messages our media and behavior send.

Obviously it's a lot more complicated than just "Dylann Roof went and shot up a church because he saw some silly frog pictures on 4chan"; literally nobody is making that claim, it's a strawman. But that doesn't mean the memes play no role at all. There is a reason the far-right is so desperate to co-opt innocuous things like Pepe, the "ok" symbol, "subscribe to Pewdiepie", etc. as dogwhistles. It's a way to dress up their ideology and paint themselves as a hip, trendy, "in-the-know" counterculture, and overexposure to a certain brand of humor can absolutely desensitize you to the subject of that humor.

4chan clearly illustrates this as well, and I'm kind of shocked you don't see it. The fact that the culture of that site progressed from "haha peanut butter wordfilters to the n word" to "1488 gas the jews but unironically, blacks are genetically inferior, muh phrenology, traps aren't allowed in the ethnostate" kind of says something about the dangers of unconditionally accepting "ironic" racist humor without a hint of self-reflection, doesn't it?

Why is it that nobody can even have a conversation about that without immediately getting shut down by "wow this is ridiculous, media does not shape or influence cultures or individuals at all, stop censoring me"? Are you sure we're the ones silencing dissent with thought-terminating cliches?

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>>15319
Aye aye captain.

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>>15320
This: >>15321
Close the thread if you're only here to shitpost

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>>15325
It was a genuine question to help me understand their line of thinking but I'll leave it alone since the sarcasm is clearly not appreciated here.

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>>15246
This mans gonna kill himself in <7 years

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>>15328
Uncalled for and inappropriate desu

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>>15328
If you can say things like "people who call for 'states' rights' are really dogwhistling to revoke the civil rights act" and "people who want to 'project jobs from outsourcing' are really dogwhistling about brutalizing naturalized people already in the country" with authority, I can also say "people who try to draw attention to 'toxic attitudes' that individual people express are really trying to dogwhistle greater censorship" with authority too.

They wouldn't be drawing attention to the things individual people were saying, if they weren't about to do something about it.
They've taken issue with organic human behavior.

Even if they don't individually endorse violent intervention in order to enforce it, that idea is almost always repeated by people that do.
And whenever the latter group gets their way, it's by making that specific talking point. It's always the justification for censorship, even if it's shared by people who don't endorse censorship.



I mean, if you want me to never make offensive jokes because you think it's doing material damage, I could try to stop, but the notion that it does damage is part of the point. Edginess works because of an understanding that a notion can cause damage. If someone wants to get their feelings across above all else, they'll break a social taboo, even one of causing perceived harm to vulnerable people, to do it. The people doing it do it because they know it's causing damage.

There's no way to curtail it without forcibly regulating it.
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As a tangential aside, I took more than a few steps away from politics on /ef/ when getting called Stalin happened one too many times, rather than n-word memes getting posted. If I may be a hypocrite, assumptions of good faith might be a worthwhile consideration as well.
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>>15228
You're absolutely right. People here seem to have a hard time understanding when and how chan culture becomes unbearably toxic. Although I still check in, I stopped being a daily user years ago for that reason. And any criticism of that culture is either taken personally or it it seen as an "attack on free speech".

>>15246
I never had a problem with engaging such people and did so on many occasions. But when "cuck" and "nigger" became the only responses people had to such engagement, and when the general site culture started to become more supportive of such responses in lieu of actual conversation, then this place stopped feeling like a home. (In fact, some of those people are now in positions of authority on the site, so it is quite interesting to see them blame other people for the change in standards!)

>>15282
>What happens to other people is not my problem.

Only we are not talking about "other people". Do minorities not also use this site? The same site whose users you claim to care about? These people might fall closer to your in-group than you realize.

You seem comfortable blaming past users for not sticking around to help move the Overton window, and yet while you're here you promote apathy in the name of personal freedom. Apparently, anyone who has concerns about this is simply a "progressive peddling race hatred" while only the things you care about are considered "real problems". I don't think you've demonstrated you're qualified to lecture others on what constitutes anti-social behavior.

>>15323
Once again, you somehow seem to be the most sane person on the site. I just hope that isn't too discouraging for you.

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>>15331
>>tangential

Like the Cell Saga

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>>15333
>Only we are not talking about "other people". Do minorities not also use this site? The same site whose users you claim to care about?
If you're not a part of my nuclear family or my wife, you're not in my in-group.
I don't care about any of you, I thrive when the site thrives, therefore I endorse what I think will help the site thrives while preserving what's special about it. That's my "vote," and it's self-interested.

Thus far, I never saw allowing leniency in this area as part of what seriously hurt the traffic. Before the big crash, every time someone pointed out there were too many anonymous /pol/ shills, and any talk was had of doing something about it, they would respond with vocal indignance, and use any number of tricks in the book to prolong the conversation and claim victimhood to censorship. I was skeptical of just letting this fly back then, but it didn't matter when I warned about it. It was claimed that an environment where even the most disagreeable talk was tolerated was something integral to the chan culture we were built upon. So we went the antifragile route.

But by the time new mods were instated that tolerated the less politically correct kind of vernacular, and a particular subset of the userbase was complaining they were being too tolerant, this same group had already spent months bitching about Macil's incompetence. This group had been crying about everything, so it came to seem like they were crying wolf, and that whatever systemic problems were killing the site were unrelated to this leniency and what kind of language was tolerated. And the time it began to die was around the time discord itself took off as a platform, and the cultures of a lot of sites I frequented changed that year as a result. There wasn't a clear correlation between site traffic and language allowed at all. I mean, if you have any more facts that you do, you might be able to convince me otherwise, but thus far I don't see much.

But while many left because of the political incorrectness, many of us stayed in spite of it. Ours is the Pchan generation that came of age in the fire and flames the last one started.
And for that, you curse us.


>(In fact, some of those people are now in positions of authority on the site, so it is quite interesting to see them blame other people for the change in standards!)

You just don't get it. Us being toxic is endemic to the very nature of the kind of people who come here. Not the administration. Not our political leanings.
It's funny, because back in 2014, everyone was basic-bitch center-lefts menstruating about how capitalism was preventing them from getting an oculus rift, and calling each other autists left and right and to kill themselves if you liked the wrong anime or video game or if the fanart you posted had too many squiggly lines.
I begged them to be less toxic to me and to welcome a newcomer, to stop punching down, and they told me, "No."

Now they come crawling back to the city they abandoned and cursed, where I have become the merchant, begging that we quit punching down on them.

And I will tell them, "No."
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>>15337
Just to be clear for no real reason that isn't the anon you were talking to before. The anon before that anon was me and I just ran out steam for replying.
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>>15338
I miss when we could get more than one anon on here at the same time.

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>>15339
There seems to still be maybe several but I haven't looked around too much lately.

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>>15323
>Is it really so hard to understand that there's a gap between "this is objectively harmful and shouldn't be done" and "the State should use force to ensure nobody does this"?
Yes, people generally use the state to push their personal beliefs, or they sit around doing nothing until they need to start resisting.
>a lot of big-name gangsta rappers in the 90's died because of gang violence, yes?
Gang violence is not the result of rap lyrics, rap lyrics are the result of gang violence.

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>>15337
>I don't care about any of you, I thrive when the site thrives

You don't find that contradictory? Not that contradiction is necessarily bad in and of itself, but it can end up nullifying some of your stated goals. Quite clearly the site does better when people give a damn about each other. I don't use Ponyville, but from what I see of it, it clearly benefits from such a mindset.

>Ours is the Pchan generation that came of age in the fire and flames the last one started. And for that, you curse us.


That sounds a tad self-important. If anyone is cursing you for anything it is for having shoddy and solipsistic moral standards.

>Us being toxic is endemic to the very nature of the kind of people who come here. Not the administration.


Oh I've understood that from the beginning of my interaction with chan culture. The administration did not create it – they simply, depending on which mod or admin you're looking, either took part in it or enabled it.

>Now they come crawling back to the city they abandoned and cursed, where I have become the merchant, begging that we quit punching down on them.


A pretty histrionic take that, once again, is pretty self-important. People pop in from time to time because, to some extent, they care in the sense that one often cares about what is going on in one's old neighborhood. But they've also moved on to living in and cultivating new neighborhoods.

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>>15342
>You don't find that contradictory? Not that contradiction is necessarily bad in and of itself, but it can end up nullifying some of your stated goals. Quite clearly the site does better when people give a damn about each other. I don't use Ponyville, but from what I see of it, it clearly benefits from such a mindset.
Presence of people on this site benefits the site; I don't care about the loss of one of them irl if what cost them their lives also preserved an outweighing mass of site traffic.
Given how small we've become right now, taking more action to police certain language might kill off that one last trickle of the userbase that decided to stay because of the antifragile tone policy we have. Were our population bigger, I might be on board with a systemic purge of the /pol/shit like I was advocating back in the day, but no, all the commupiggy gang didn't give us the time to make that choice and save the site, they scurried away like rats before we could do anything more for them, even after we'd changed the administration, and forced our hand down the path of surviving because of politically incorrect language and not in spite of it. Maybe restore a bit of our traffic and the admins can cut you a deal, but you have to pay it forward first. They're be no forgiveness and no concessions until this fucking famine is over and we can return to our former glory.

And, hell, there are a couple people here who I wish were dead. Dodger's just painted a picture apart from anything he outwardly believes of a genuinely evil cunt the world would be better without in his day-to-day life, and he doesn't even act all that toxic here. Particularly compared to the decadent, basic-bitch high school nerd gang back in 2014 that grilled each other over mean girls shit constantly, failing to roll belly-up and show some fucking throat and human vulnerability for all of ten seconds. Fuck them. Fuck anyone with a neurotype like them.

You wounded us and left us to die. But we accepted your challenge. We recovered. We made up our mind about who we are. And that someone's going to tell us that the very tactics we desperately counted on to survive in the face of danger need to be deprecated in the name of """"morality"""" is beneath contempt.


>People pop in from time to time because, to some extent, they care in the sense that one often cares about what is going on in one's old neighborhood. But they've also moved on to living in and cultivating new neighborhoods.

The dipcord gang that stabbed us in the back persists to act like mean girl cunts to this day, though. They still pop in to bait and goad us and then scurry back to their little holes to jerk off with the little screencaps they take about how "cringe" we are.

If you want us to stop being toxic racists, why us nothing being done about your kind's toxic cringe culture? I'd welcome a policy of neither with open arms. But no one even contemplates policing the latter. It's taken for granted. Punching down on someone is just given as a necessity.

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>>15343
>all the commupiggy gang didn't give us the time to make that choice and save the site,
There was plenty of time tbh.

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>>15344
No, not really. At least not when I was admin. All people did was shit up /site/ and demand /ef/'s rules be changed to get rid the "Nazi's" and Noonim. And once we changed the rules in the sticky that still isn't enough. Not too long ago, Whelp made a thread talking about these things, but that didn't get anywhere. No solution's; nothing. Just people huffing and puffing in the silence expecting any sort of "change" without telling anyone what that "change" is that you guys want. Not to mention we can't be here at all times and our staff is very minimal and we can't read minds. It takes forever for people to come to an agreement because some people aren't online often as they have things to do.

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>>15343
Not that anon but I guess I have some things to say.

>Maybe restore a bit of our traffic and the admins can cut you a deal, but you have to pay it forward first. They're be no forgiveness and no concessions until this fucking famine is over and we can return to our former glory.


I doubt it's going to happen. Last I heard they for the most part washed their hands clean of ponychan. There are a few active outliers here but they seem perfectly civil. Quite a bit of the discord people seemed to dislike even being reminded that ponychan exists in fact I wouldn't even be surprised if mentioning ponychan there isn't allowed anymore. I'm not saying it's impossible but for them to ever come back you'd have to change things here first without a doubt. And tbh I think if ponychan were to ever be rebranded as something else and there was an attempt to get new users you would have to change things anyway.

>The dipcord gang that stabbed us in the back persists to act like mean girl cunts to this day, though. They still pop in to bait and goad us and then scurry back to their little holes to jerk off with the little screencaps they take about how "cringe" we are.


Do they? I don't think there is much overlap anymore. Are you sure they're not just getchan stragglers or something?

>If you want us to stop being toxic racists, why us nothing being done about your kind's toxic cringe culture? I'd welcome a policy of neither with open arms. But no one even contemplates policing the latter. It's taken for granted. Punching down on someone is just given as a necessity.


There was a conversation in there some time ago about how cringe culture is dumb.
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>>15345
>No, not really. At least not when I was admin.
Hm, I might not be remembering exactly when you became admin. Oh well.

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>>15348
Almost two years now. But yeah, at the time I wish I had thought more about what I was inheriting.

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>>15228
Ember, do you even know where you are? The /ef/ board was designed specifically for shitposting like that. Pic very much related.

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Perhaps we should open /chat/ back up? And set that up so the global rules apply and let /ef/ return fully back to its origins? /chat/ could be like /ef/ but only with global rules being applied?

See, I just know...

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>>15351
And in the process get rid of /ef/ entirely?

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>>15352
Going back to it's origins meaning back to no-rules besides not doing anything illegal.

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>>15352
What >>15353 said.

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>>15351
I thought /oat/ was supposed to be /chat/ essentially?

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>>15353
I figured but I was hoping otherwise.

>>15354
I mean you know that probably wouldn't help unless you did something like make it so that /ef/ is hidden by default and it's hard to even know about it. I would say that doing that or getting rid of /ef/ and bringing back /chat/ would be a step in the right direction though.
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>>15356
Uh-huh.

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>>15357
/ef/ used to be /chat/ basically until /chat/ became /ef/. That's why I wanted to be sure.

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>>15355
/ef/ basically replaced /chat/.

>>15356
/ef/ is fine. I don't think it needs to go anywhere.

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>>15351
I don't think that's necessary in the slightest. I think everyone save Starshine has really taken this thread much further than the intent was.

The intent was to call out edgy shitposting as somewhat harmful and recommend that posters think about why that is and encourage them to try to curb their edgy shitposting, not to start a debate on whether or not we needed a new board (because we don't) and that's the reason I put it on /ef/ and not /site/ in the first place.

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>>15360
>Please don't shitpost in a place made for shitposting

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>>15351
Is there enough traffic to split it up like that?

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>>15360
So if someone makes a thread like Toiletchan did, you're just gonna condemn them and move on from it? Then that's your prerogative.

>>15362
No idea at this point.
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>>15353
>Going back to it's origins meaning back to no-rules besides not doing anything illegal.
Illegal where? Would we be able to post things that are legal in the United States but forbidden in the People's Democratic Republic of Canada?

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>>15364
Server's hosted in the US. So the law from there would apply.

Old /ef/ was based in the UK, so different things were allowed.

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>>15359
Oh. Well I think the idea was there wasn't enough traffic to warrant that, and I still think that's the case.


>>15364
Illegal in the country the server is hosted

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>>15364
>>15365
It's on a leaf server, but I am not sure why that's the case.

>>15366
Well we merged it because the two boards were one in the same. But, either way, you're right with the last part.

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>>15367
>Leaf
Burn it

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>>15260
>People could pledge to be better towards one another, but that only works if everyone agrees on what that constitutes, and acts in good faith.
>Again, I'm not entirely happy with the current state of /ef/, but I'm not sure what the correct course of action to correct it is. Feel free to lay out some ideas if you have them.

I think the only correct course of action, to keep the rules the way they are, and to cut back on the bait/shit posts, would be if people just ignored the people doing it in the first place.

Not like, cold shoulder people, but like, no one is under obligation to take the bait right?

I mean, iv taken the bait, but thats pretty much my fault right?

Edit:
I think maybe people who have more productive things to post about, or want to voice opposition to ideas they dont agree about should because atm, the problem isnt the rules of /ef/ its the fact that only people who want to post "nigger" are posting there, for the most part.

Also, "nigger" is just a stand in for all shitposts and random hate and bait.
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>>15370
>I mean, iv taken the bait, but thats pretty much my fault right?

no of course not, its the others who are wrong.

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>>15346
>Do they? I don't think there is much overlap anymore. Are you sure they're not just getchan stragglers or something?
Seen it in the dipcords I've accepted the invites too. Sometimes I spy on them, but I don't really hang out there at all. Wondering how long it'll be til they boot me out so there's no chance I can snitch on them without ever contributing there.
I can't get into dipcord's style, so i never participate there.

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>>15373
I never noticed this recently when I was actually in there (of course I left for a while). I mean it happened in the past but usually everyone else would just be like "can you shut up about ponychan?" basically.

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>>15373
How is that place anyway? Is it still the same even? I haven't seen it since i've been booted. Same people?

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>>15375
Only checked a couple months ago.

Dipcord is so breakneck fast that I don't even know how to gauge a room there in a way that could even scale with the way we're like.


unrelated, but i miss noonim

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>>15376
He seems to have gone to ponyville for some reason. No idea why.

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>>15376
That's actually one of the reasons I hate the idea of those """""servers"""""". It's impossible to keep a topic and keep a discussion going.

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>>15377
He has been cycling back and forth for as long as iv known.

I'm sure he will be back at some point.

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>>15377
>>15379
Just make a thread about principles.

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>>15341
>Gang violence is not the result of rap lyrics, rap lyrics are the result of gang violence.
Fair. I don't mean to say it's a 1-to-1 analogy for the "ironic" racism versus actual racism issue, and I'm hardly an expert on 90's gangsta culture and history. My main point is that for both of these things, there's a discussion to be had regarding the relationship between media and culture.

You could just as easily say that racist memes are the result of racism, not the other way around. And it's hard to say whether you're right or wrong with that generalization. Probably both, in varying degrees.

>>15337
>It's funny, because back in 2014, everyone was basic-bitch center-lefts menstruating about how capitalism was preventing them from getting an oculus rift, and calling each other autists left and right and to kill themselves if you liked the wrong anime or video game or if the fanart you posted had too many squiggly lines.
Yes, we had a toxicity problem in 2014. And there were people who had a problem with it then too. What of it? The fact that those people were called hugboxers by the same crowd that has since decided Ponychan is too edgy for them? People change, you know, especially as they become adults and develop a more mature and nuanced view of the world.

>>15343
>why us nothing being done about your kind's toxic cringe culture?
>I'd welcome a policy of neither with open arms. But no one even contemplates policing the latter. It's taken for granted. Punching down on someone is just given as a necessity.
I've always hated cringe culture tbh fam

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>>15343
>You wounded us and left us to die. But we accepted your challenge. We recovered. We made up our mind about who we are. And that someone's going to tell us that the very tactics we desperately counted on to survive in the face of danger need to be deprecated in the name of """"morality"""" is beneath contempt.

I understand having feelings about the people who left, but this stuff about survival is a bit dramatic. I also fail to see how your "survival" depended on shunning morality. And who is this "you" that you are referring to? Did I leave you to die in particular?

>your kind's toxic cringe culture?


Who is "my" kind? I hardly even post on Ponyville, and I've never even personally seen the Discord groups – only heard about them second hand. If by "cringe culture" you mean mocking people for engaging in supposedly cringey behaviors and forming a new social hierarchy where those on top are those who have put the most distance between themselves and the "cringe" in question, then it is safe to say that I never saw the appeal of that culture. It has all the airs of cliquey people hating something just because it is popular to hate it.

For someone so seemingly opposed to all forms of collectivist dogma so that the nuance of the individual may not perish from the Earth, it sure doesn't seem like you practice what you so loudly and long-windedly preach.

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>>15382
>I understand having feelings about the people who left, but this stuff about survival is a bit dramatic. I also fail to see how your "survival" depended on shunning morality. And who is this "you" that you are referring to? Did I leave you to die in particular?

Well, you didn't leave me to die.
But people who haven't posted in forever popping back in to the discussion of how we need to conduct ourselves in the face of greater senses of right-and-wrong doesn't rub me well. I could be wrong; I don't see everyone'e IP.

Frankly I think taking the antifragile route in terms of what speech we'd tolerate played a role in our site persisting, even at a trickling speed. Maybe we could've censored the crap that could be censored and that might've preserved some traffic, but if even doing that wouldn't have been enough to save us, then I doubt doing so wouldn't also drive some more people away as well. There was certainly a very vocal attitude from some individuals here that perfectly free discourse and expression was the only thing that gave us value, bearing the implication that curtailing this would've driven even more of the sparsely few people away.

Meaning, doing what we felt was "right" arguably could've compromised the site's existence.


>Who is "my" kind? I hardly even post on Ponyville, and I've never even personally seen the Discord groups – only heard about them second hand. If by "cringe culture" you mean mocking people for engaging in supposedly cringey behaviors and forming a new social hierarchy where those on top are those who have put the most distance between themselves and the "cringe" in question, then it is safe to say that I never saw the appeal of that culture. It has all the airs of cliquey people hating something just because it is popular to hate it.


Guess I am being unfair here, then. I guess you're right that none of this is relevant anymore.

Too bad I'm still not equipped to lead Discord raids.

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>>15383
I still post. Just not daily like I used to. But if you won't listen to those who just pop-in, then you've got plenty of named locals in this thread who have always been here and who also agree, in broad essence, with Ember.

It is good to be resilient, but I'm not sure how your brand of "antifragile" has saved anything worth saving. The very existence of Ponyville shows that there has long been a market for better standards. "Antifragile" isn't a bad thing in and of itself, but the extreme conception of it that chan culture often produces is more corrosive than constructive, and I certainly think it corroded the site.

Too often "antifragile" is just a cover for flippant bullying, a stance that claims to eschew the stifling qualities of collective moralism and misplaced altruism while somehow ending up stiflingly dogmatic in its smug antimoralism.

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>>15384
>The very existence of Ponyville shows that there has long been a market for better standards
Except that's not why it exists. It exists because the staff at the time didn't listen to their community at the time. Even though the previous staff offered and answered they were ignored. But nah, istead of figuring out how to deal with issues they make their own site.

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>>15384
Ponyville threads are worthless brown asswater, though

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I disagree with the notion that memes can turn people racist.

>So please, can we try to avoid that sort of behaviour?

But edgy memes are funny. So no.

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>>15387
I dont think memes make people anything, but they do attract people who are already that way, and give weaker people the nudge they need and a group to go along with.

Like a porch light doesn't create moths, but you're sure to find moths around a porch light.

It not so much the memes as it is the people posting them along with justification of the dogma.
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>>15386
*puts on fake personality*
Ponyville here I come!

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I like this guy >>15387

he supports the things I like.


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