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#serious

I do wish we could cut down on the edgy racist memes, to be honest. All they do is normalize discrimination and racism until that sort of stuff becomes commonplace and suddenly we're a haven for alt-right think and one of our own has decided it's cool to go off and do something actually terrible.

This is something I've thought about for a while now and recently seeing a thread where the OP was literally the n-word and nothing else basically made me make up my mind to say something. Someone has to, honestly. Not doing so is complacence against common decency and, really, we shouldn't be a site that allows discrimination, even in a memetic form, to flourish. After all, so-called ironic discrimination almost certainly becomes unironic after not all that much time.

Hell, it's even against the site rules to be racist, sexist, and discriminatory, yet many examples of that sort of behaviour go un-accounted for. I think we need to work towards removing this sort of behaviour from our small corner of the internet here and hold ourselves accountable to a higher standard of posting. Yes, this is /ef/ and yes, "anything goes (within reason)", but I see no reason to allow the sort of thought that leads to some pretty awful mindsets go unchecked.

So please, can we try to avoid that sort of behaviour? If only to preserve our own dignity and prevent it from becoming so commonplace that it becomes acceptable? Because it isn't acceptable, and it should never be acceptable to be discriminatory.
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>>15338
I miss when we could get more than one anon on here at the same time.

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>>15339
There seems to still be maybe several but I haven't looked around too much lately.

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>>15323
>Is it really so hard to understand that there's a gap between "this is objectively harmful and shouldn't be done" and "the State should use force to ensure nobody does this"?
Yes, people generally use the state to push their personal beliefs, or they sit around doing nothing until they need to start resisting.
>a lot of big-name gangsta rappers in the 90's died because of gang violence, yes?
Gang violence is not the result of rap lyrics, rap lyrics are the result of gang violence.

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>>15337
>I don't care about any of you, I thrive when the site thrives

You don't find that contradictory? Not that contradiction is necessarily bad in and of itself, but it can end up nullifying some of your stated goals. Quite clearly the site does better when people give a damn about each other. I don't use Ponyville, but from what I see of it, it clearly benefits from such a mindset.

>Ours is the Pchan generation that came of age in the fire and flames the last one started. And for that, you curse us.


That sounds a tad self-important. If anyone is cursing you for anything it is for having shoddy and solipsistic moral standards.

>Us being toxic is endemic to the very nature of the kind of people who come here. Not the administration.


Oh I've understood that from the beginning of my interaction with chan culture. The administration did not create it – they simply, depending on which mod or admin you're looking, either took part in it or enabled it.

>Now they come crawling back to the city they abandoned and cursed, where I have become the merchant, begging that we quit punching down on them.


A pretty histrionic take that, once again, is pretty self-important. People pop in from time to time because, to some extent, they care in the sense that one often cares about what is going on in one's old neighborhood. But they've also moved on to living in and cultivating new neighborhoods.

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>>15342
>You don't find that contradictory? Not that contradiction is necessarily bad in and of itself, but it can end up nullifying some of your stated goals. Quite clearly the site does better when people give a damn about each other. I don't use Ponyville, but from what I see of it, it clearly benefits from such a mindset.
Presence of people on this site benefits the site; I don't care about the loss of one of them irl if what cost them their lives also preserved an outweighing mass of site traffic.
Given how small we've become right now, taking more action to police certain language might kill off that one last trickle of the userbase that decided to stay because of the antifragile tone policy we have. Were our population bigger, I might be on board with a systemic purge of the /pol/shit like I was advocating back in the day, but no, all the commupiggy gang didn't give us the time to make that choice and save the site, they scurried away like rats before we could do anything more for them, even after we'd changed the administration, and forced our hand down the path of surviving because of politically incorrect language and not in spite of it. Maybe restore a bit of our traffic and the admins can cut you a deal, but you have to pay it forward first. They're be no forgiveness and no concessions until this fucking famine is over and we can return to our former glory.

And, hell, there are a couple people here who I wish were dead. Dodger's just painted a picture apart from anything he outwardly believes of a genuinely evil cunt the world would be better without in his day-to-day life, and he doesn't even act all that toxic here. Particularly compared to the decadent, basic-bitch high school nerd gang back in 2014 that grilled each other over mean girls shit constantly, failing to roll belly-up and show some fucking throat and human vulnerability for all of ten seconds. Fuck them. Fuck anyone with a neurotype like them.

You wounded us and left us to die. But we accepted your challenge. We recovered. We made up our mind about who we are. And that someone's going to tell us that the very tactics we desperately counted on to survive in the face of danger need to be deprecated in the name of """"morality"""" is beneath contempt.


>People pop in from time to time because, to some extent, they care in the sense that one often cares about what is going on in one's old neighborhood. But they've also moved on to living in and cultivating new neighborhoods.

The dipcord gang that stabbed us in the back persists to act like mean girl cunts to this day, though. They still pop in to bait and goad us and then scurry back to their little holes to jerk off with the little screencaps they take about how "cringe" we are.

If you want us to stop being toxic racists, why us nothing being done about your kind's toxic cringe culture? I'd welcome a policy of neither with open arms. But no one even contemplates policing the latter. It's taken for granted. Punching down on someone is just given as a necessity.

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>>15343
>all the commupiggy gang didn't give us the time to make that choice and save the site,
There was plenty of time tbh.

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>>15344
No, not really. At least not when I was admin. All people did was shit up /site/ and demand /ef/'s rules be changed to get rid the "Nazi's" and Noonim. And once we changed the rules in the sticky that still isn't enough. Not too long ago, Whelp made a thread talking about these things, but that didn't get anywhere. No solution's; nothing. Just people huffing and puffing in the silence expecting any sort of "change" without telling anyone what that "change" is that you guys want. Not to mention we can't be here at all times and our staff is very minimal and we can't read minds. It takes forever for people to come to an agreement because some people aren't online often as they have things to do.

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>>15343
Not that anon but I guess I have some things to say.

>Maybe restore a bit of our traffic and the admins can cut you a deal, but you have to pay it forward first. They're be no forgiveness and no concessions until this fucking famine is over and we can return to our former glory.


I doubt it's going to happen. Last I heard they for the most part washed their hands clean of ponychan. There are a few active outliers here but they seem perfectly civil. Quite a bit of the discord people seemed to dislike even being reminded that ponychan exists in fact I wouldn't even be surprised if mentioning ponychan there isn't allowed anymore. I'm not saying it's impossible but for them to ever come back you'd have to change things here first without a doubt. And tbh I think if ponychan were to ever be rebranded as something else and there was an attempt to get new users you would have to change things anyway.

>The dipcord gang that stabbed us in the back persists to act like mean girl cunts to this day, though. They still pop in to bait and goad us and then scurry back to their little holes to jerk off with the little screencaps they take about how "cringe" we are.


Do they? I don't think there is much overlap anymore. Are you sure they're not just getchan stragglers or something?

>If you want us to stop being toxic racists, why us nothing being done about your kind's toxic cringe culture? I'd welcome a policy of neither with open arms. But no one even contemplates policing the latter. It's taken for granted. Punching down on someone is just given as a necessity.


There was a conversation in there some time ago about how cringe culture is dumb.
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>>15345
>No, not really. At least not when I was admin.
Hm, I might not be remembering exactly when you became admin. Oh well.

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>>15348
Almost two years now. But yeah, at the time I wish I had thought more about what I was inheriting.

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>>15228
Ember, do you even know where you are? The /ef/ board was designed specifically for shitposting like that. Pic very much related.

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Perhaps we should open /chat/ back up? And set that up so the global rules apply and let /ef/ return fully back to its origins? /chat/ could be like /ef/ but only with global rules being applied?

See, I just know...

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>>15351
And in the process get rid of /ef/ entirely?

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>>15352
Going back to it's origins meaning back to no-rules besides not doing anything illegal.

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>>15352
What >>15353 said.

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>>15351
I thought /oat/ was supposed to be /chat/ essentially?

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>>15353
I figured but I was hoping otherwise.

>>15354
I mean you know that probably wouldn't help unless you did something like make it so that /ef/ is hidden by default and it's hard to even know about it. I would say that doing that or getting rid of /ef/ and bringing back /chat/ would be a step in the right direction though.
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>>15356
Uh-huh.

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>>15357
/ef/ used to be /chat/ basically until /chat/ became /ef/. That's why I wanted to be sure.

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>>15355
/ef/ basically replaced /chat/.

>>15356
/ef/ is fine. I don't think it needs to go anywhere.

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>>15351
I don't think that's necessary in the slightest. I think everyone save Starshine has really taken this thread much further than the intent was.

The intent was to call out edgy shitposting as somewhat harmful and recommend that posters think about why that is and encourage them to try to curb their edgy shitposting, not to start a debate on whether or not we needed a new board (because we don't) and that's the reason I put it on /ef/ and not /site/ in the first place.

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>>15360
>Please don't shitpost in a place made for shitposting

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>>15351
Is there enough traffic to split it up like that?

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>>15360
So if someone makes a thread like Toiletchan did, you're just gonna condemn them and move on from it? Then that's your prerogative.

>>15362
No idea at this point.
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>>15353
>Going back to it's origins meaning back to no-rules besides not doing anything illegal.
Illegal where? Would we be able to post things that are legal in the United States but forbidden in the People's Democratic Republic of Canada?

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>>15364
Server's hosted in the US. So the law from there would apply.

Old /ef/ was based in the UK, so different things were allowed.

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>>15359
Oh. Well I think the idea was there wasn't enough traffic to warrant that, and I still think that's the case.


>>15364
Illegal in the country the server is hosted

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>>15364
>>15365
It's on a leaf server, but I am not sure why that's the case.

>>15366
Well we merged it because the two boards were one in the same. But, either way, you're right with the last part.

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>>15367
>Leaf
Burn it

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>>15260
>People could pledge to be better towards one another, but that only works if everyone agrees on what that constitutes, and acts in good faith.
>Again, I'm not entirely happy with the current state of /ef/, but I'm not sure what the correct course of action to correct it is. Feel free to lay out some ideas if you have them.

I think the only correct course of action, to keep the rules the way they are, and to cut back on the bait/shit posts, would be if people just ignored the people doing it in the first place.

Not like, cold shoulder people, but like, no one is under obligation to take the bait right?

I mean, iv taken the bait, but thats pretty much my fault right?

Edit:
I think maybe people who have more productive things to post about, or want to voice opposition to ideas they dont agree about should because atm, the problem isnt the rules of /ef/ its the fact that only people who want to post "nigger" are posting there, for the most part.

Also, "nigger" is just a stand in for all shitposts and random hate and bait.
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>>15370
>I mean, iv taken the bait, but thats pretty much my fault right?

no of course not, its the others who are wrong.

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>>15346
>Do they? I don't think there is much overlap anymore. Are you sure they're not just getchan stragglers or something?
Seen it in the dipcords I've accepted the invites too. Sometimes I spy on them, but I don't really hang out there at all. Wondering how long it'll be til they boot me out so there's no chance I can snitch on them without ever contributing there.
I can't get into dipcord's style, so i never participate there.

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>>15373
I never noticed this recently when I was actually in there (of course I left for a while). I mean it happened in the past but usually everyone else would just be like "can you shut up about ponychan?" basically.

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>>15373
How is that place anyway? Is it still the same even? I haven't seen it since i've been booted. Same people?

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>>15375
Only checked a couple months ago.

Dipcord is so breakneck fast that I don't even know how to gauge a room there in a way that could even scale with the way we're like.


unrelated, but i miss noonim

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>>15376
He seems to have gone to ponyville for some reason. No idea why.

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>>15376
That's actually one of the reasons I hate the idea of those """""servers"""""". It's impossible to keep a topic and keep a discussion going.

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>>15377
He has been cycling back and forth for as long as iv known.

I'm sure he will be back at some point.

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>>15377
>>15379
Just make a thread about principles.

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>>15341
>Gang violence is not the result of rap lyrics, rap lyrics are the result of gang violence.
Fair. I don't mean to say it's a 1-to-1 analogy for the "ironic" racism versus actual racism issue, and I'm hardly an expert on 90's gangsta culture and history. My main point is that for both of these things, there's a discussion to be had regarding the relationship between media and culture.

You could just as easily say that racist memes are the result of racism, not the other way around. And it's hard to say whether you're right or wrong with that generalization. Probably both, in varying degrees.

>>15337
>It's funny, because back in 2014, everyone was basic-bitch center-lefts menstruating about how capitalism was preventing them from getting an oculus rift, and calling each other autists left and right and to kill themselves if you liked the wrong anime or video game or if the fanart you posted had too many squiggly lines.
Yes, we had a toxicity problem in 2014. And there were people who had a problem with it then too. What of it? The fact that those people were called hugboxers by the same crowd that has since decided Ponychan is too edgy for them? People change, you know, especially as they become adults and develop a more mature and nuanced view of the world.

>>15343
>why us nothing being done about your kind's toxic cringe culture?
>I'd welcome a policy of neither with open arms. But no one even contemplates policing the latter. It's taken for granted. Punching down on someone is just given as a necessity.
I've always hated cringe culture tbh fam

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>>15343
>You wounded us and left us to die. But we accepted your challenge. We recovered. We made up our mind about who we are. And that someone's going to tell us that the very tactics we desperately counted on to survive in the face of danger need to be deprecated in the name of """"morality"""" is beneath contempt.

I understand having feelings about the people who left, but this stuff about survival is a bit dramatic. I also fail to see how your "survival" depended on shunning morality. And who is this "you" that you are referring to? Did I leave you to die in particular?

>your kind's toxic cringe culture?


Who is "my" kind? I hardly even post on Ponyville, and I've never even personally seen the Discord groups – only heard about them second hand. If by "cringe culture" you mean mocking people for engaging in supposedly cringey behaviors and forming a new social hierarchy where those on top are those who have put the most distance between themselves and the "cringe" in question, then it is safe to say that I never saw the appeal of that culture. It has all the airs of cliquey people hating something just because it is popular to hate it.

For someone so seemingly opposed to all forms of collectivist dogma so that the nuance of the individual may not perish from the Earth, it sure doesn't seem like you practice what you so loudly and long-windedly preach.

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>>15382
>I understand having feelings about the people who left, but this stuff about survival is a bit dramatic. I also fail to see how your "survival" depended on shunning morality. And who is this "you" that you are referring to? Did I leave you to die in particular?

Well, you didn't leave me to die.
But people who haven't posted in forever popping back in to the discussion of how we need to conduct ourselves in the face of greater senses of right-and-wrong doesn't rub me well. I could be wrong; I don't see everyone'e IP.

Frankly I think taking the antifragile route in terms of what speech we'd tolerate played a role in our site persisting, even at a trickling speed. Maybe we could've censored the crap that could be censored and that might've preserved some traffic, but if even doing that wouldn't have been enough to save us, then I doubt doing so wouldn't also drive some more people away as well. There was certainly a very vocal attitude from some individuals here that perfectly free discourse and expression was the only thing that gave us value, bearing the implication that curtailing this would've driven even more of the sparsely few people away.

Meaning, doing what we felt was "right" arguably could've compromised the site's existence.


>Who is "my" kind? I hardly even post on Ponyville, and I've never even personally seen the Discord groups – only heard about them second hand. If by "cringe culture" you mean mocking people for engaging in supposedly cringey behaviors and forming a new social hierarchy where those on top are those who have put the most distance between themselves and the "cringe" in question, then it is safe to say that I never saw the appeal of that culture. It has all the airs of cliquey people hating something just because it is popular to hate it.


Guess I am being unfair here, then. I guess you're right that none of this is relevant anymore.

Too bad I'm still not equipped to lead Discord raids.

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>>15383
I still post. Just not daily like I used to. But if you won't listen to those who just pop-in, then you've got plenty of named locals in this thread who have always been here and who also agree, in broad essence, with Ember.

It is good to be resilient, but I'm not sure how your brand of "antifragile" has saved anything worth saving. The very existence of Ponyville shows that there has long been a market for better standards. "Antifragile" isn't a bad thing in and of itself, but the extreme conception of it that chan culture often produces is more corrosive than constructive, and I certainly think it corroded the site.

Too often "antifragile" is just a cover for flippant bullying, a stance that claims to eschew the stifling qualities of collective moralism and misplaced altruism while somehow ending up stiflingly dogmatic in its smug antimoralism.

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>>15384
>The very existence of Ponyville shows that there has long been a market for better standards
Except that's not why it exists. It exists because the staff at the time didn't listen to their community at the time. Even though the previous staff offered and answered they were ignored. But nah, istead of figuring out how to deal with issues they make their own site.

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>>15384
Ponyville threads are worthless brown asswater, though

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I disagree with the notion that memes can turn people racist.

>So please, can we try to avoid that sort of behaviour?

But edgy memes are funny. So no.

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>>15387
I dont think memes make people anything, but they do attract people who are already that way, and give weaker people the nudge they need and a group to go along with.

Like a porch light doesn't create moths, but you're sure to find moths around a porch light.

It not so much the memes as it is the people posting them along with justification of the dogma.
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>>15386
*puts on fake personality*
Ponyville here I come!

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I like this guy >>15387

he supports the things I like.


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