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About last nights Fleur thread Mint horseCountry code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 15068

>be Fleur
>get called out of flooding the site with "gehy," and "I'm so high" threads
>grow a pair of balls, (that you promise won't end up in your next "gehy" thread) and make a decent thread to redeem yourself, where people can engage in genuine and interesting discussion
>thread gets raided by some random Anon telling you to "neck yourself"
>mods side with the random Anon and decide to lock your thread
>random Anon faces no consequences for implying that you should kys
>and you're supposed to be the bad guy
>can this guy ever get a break?

Addressed to Mikie, the mods, and anyone else who this may concern

This thread is meant to address the events of last night, as well concerns people have about certain posters on the site. Be civil with your comments and conversations that are addressed to other individuals on the site. I'm going to highly suggest that those that can't remain civil on this thread receive 10-30 minute bans.

I want to make it quite clear that this isn't a bait thread, and it's not supposed to attack anyone. Don't /trash/ this thread, talk to me and anyone else on the thread who's willing to be civil. If anyone has a meltdown negotiate with that person and hand out bans when necessary. I'm not inciting anyone to do anything, so if someone spergs out hold them responsible, not me.

It's clear that people have both genuine, and non-genuine concerns about people on this site. This thread is for anyone who wants to air those concerns in a hopefully safe environment. Say what you want about anyone on the site including me, but let's keep things civil. We're all adults we shouldn't be acting like children or angsty teenagers.

Please move this thread to /site/. I just wanted to post it here so everyone from last night can see it.

Addressed to Fleur

I'm sorry about what happened to your thread, that was totally uncalled for. Although given some of the people who use this site, not unexpected. I suggest that you make a less edgy thread next time. You could do something on China, you seemed to be interested in that during some of our conversations. I'm also interested in it and think a good China thread could really get conversation going, without triggering anyone on the site. So it's a win, win.

Addressed to Anon

What you said to Fleur was the furthest thing I've seen from respect on this entire site. What you call "respect" is nothing more than plebeian tier "eye, for an eye" logic, and if everyone on the site adopted said logic all it would take is one person to justify the derailment of a thread or the use of ad-hominem in any conversation, to destroy this whole site and turn it into a genuine /pol/, rather than /pol/ lite.

Genuine respect is treating someone how you want to be treated, and actually empathising with said person. "Eye, for an eye" logic is nothing more than selfish narcissism that's willing to corporate, but only to the smallest extent needed to fulfil it's own need for respect and empathy, assuming that it's in it's best interest. Genuine respect and civility is empathising with those who aren't willing to show you the same basic respect and human decency. It's going out of your way to forgive those who have wronged you, and treat even those who are most removed from your everyday experiences like actual human beings. most people on this site seem to fully understand this very basic concept, and that's why it's a shame that others are willing to take advantage of that.

The worst part is that you're not even willing or able to follow basic "eye, for an eye" logic. Nothing Fleur has said or done on this site justified what you did. Fleurs "gehy," and edgy threads do not justify you implying that he should kill himself, or that it's ok to wish death upon people you don't like or disagree with.

>becuz boo hoo, a "degenerate" touched in the butthole as a kid.


You can't just say things like that without knowing someone's IRL situation, especially in a place like this where it's pretty much granted that something like that has actually happened to at least one person on the site. I don't know what your problem is but you can't just suggest something like that out of nowhere, especially in the manner you chose. I know I just went over this, but I really can't stress how inconsiderate that specific comment you made was.

Most people on this site, (including me) have a handful of bad personalities traits, but they know when to stop, and can actually be reasoned with. But what you just posted not only goes beyond every boundary imaginable, it goes against everything you were complaining about. If you don't want this site to become "/pol/", then don't perpetuate /pol/ behaviour. Take me for example, look at some of the views I hold and things I've said in the past. Despite that I still know how to act civil and have a polite conversation with someone without sperging out, so you have no excuse either.

Maroon Auburn!QEUQfdPtTMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15070

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>TFW I missed this thread

Oh fuck sake I love me some drama

Mint horseCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15071

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>>15070
I also missed it, but it's still there it was just locked. Also, nice meme.

https://www.ponychan.net/ef/res/223585.html

Thanks for moving my thread.

Zeke RoaCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15072

To that "anon"
>You are the most toxic person left on the site, full stop.
No, I think you are a better contender for the title of "most toxic person". It's gotten to the point where I don't know why you bother going anon, Jigs. No matter what name you use, you always stay the same, vitriolic as ever. You have a longer ban history than anyone else on this site, and if it wasn't for our admittedly inconsistent ban durations, you probably wouldn't even be allowed to post here anymore for all the times you've stirred up trouble and vitriol.

I agree with Mint horse 100% on that.
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AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15073

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>>15068
>What you said to Fleur was the furthest thing I've seen from respect on this entire site. What you call "respect" is nothing more than plebeian tier "eye, for an eye" logic, and if everyone on the site adopted said logic all it would take is one person to justify the derailment of a thread or the use of ad-hominem in any conversation, to destroy this whole site and turn it into a genuine /pol/, rather than /pol/ lite.

You don't derail into ad-hominem. You must not be paying attention if you haven't seen any of the times fleur's spent salivating over the deaths of millions and longing for the collapse of society, all because of some vague "degeneracy" all of us have supposedly committed that he loves to allude to but never describes.
I came storming in because I couldn't let him go with the audacity to think he's been "hiding his power level" at all, I've seen his shit. If you want to make a JQ thread that's discussing information you've gathered on the issue or arguments for why you believe what you believe about it, I'm not about to bark at you. I'll maybe try to debate what I actually think about it but you hardly see fleur exercising these same standards. It's always him moaning how much he hates society or outright snapping at others for being too degenerate. His tapeworm-ridden mind is probably too full of opiates to make an argument to begin with.


>Genuine respect is treating someone how you want to be treated, and actually empathising with said person. "Eye, for an eye" logic is nothing more than selfish narcissism that's willing to corporate, but only to the smallest extent needed to fulfil it's own need for respect and empathy, assuming that it's in it's best interest.


Fuck empathy. Empathy is also responsible for that kneejerk testosterone feeling bullies get when they see a cringy weak kid minding his own business and decide to rape him with a wire hanger on the football field.
Empathy can get dumped out of a beaver's asshole to rot in a dumpster at the end of the earth. Empathy never stopped anyone from taking things by force. I don't want to live in a world where people exercise the right to scrape fucking people off the walls like gum because their gut feelings justified it.
No, eternal cold war behind diplomatic flukes is the only answer. I'd prefer if no one warred against anyone, but biology and thermodynamics prohibit that. I'm not laying myself on the altar of empathy. Go sucker someone else into such an indigo-child proposition.



>Genuine respect and civility is empathising with those who aren't willing to show you the same basic respect and human decency. It's going out of your way to forgive those who have wronged you, and treat even those who are most removed from your everyday experiences like actual human beings. most people on this site seem to fully understand this very basic concept, and that's why it's a shame that others are willing to take advantage of that.


I don't dislike you, but what makes you especially challenging to argue anything with is your heavy dependence and invocation of value statements. Since you can't really come to an understanding through logic if two people's values are fundamentally incompatible, I don't know why you bother bringing up these things over and over again. It just amounts to you saying "You should be like me because it's better," something nobody anywhere on the board has any substantial grounds for saying. I can't tell you what to believe, you can't tell me either. I don't care about your values.
Trying to explain to you why this isn't viable and will not get you anywhere is an Atlassian task I don't currently have the time or energy for. Suffice it to say, "cool story bro." You won't shake me out of my own values any quicker than I'll shake you out of yours.

As long as there are people out there who'd essentially murder me because they see my continued existence as a threat, I will never flinch from cooperative selfishness. If I'm going to live in this world as weak as I am, I'll do whatever I can to make up for it, including living by the values of masters rather than slaves.



>The worst part is that you're not even willing or able to follow basic "eye, for an eye" logic. Nothing Fleur has said or done on this site justified what you did. Fleurs "gehy," and edgy threads do not justify you implying that he should kill himself, or that it's ok to wish death upon people you don't like or disagree with.


Yeah, bullshit. For one, I didn't tell him to khs, I said I'd be willing to tell him to khs if he persisted to do so. Which technically he hasn't done, but mind you he's been very open about spewing his wishes of death on others.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqICountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15075

Man, I keep saying I don't want to /trash/ threads or ban anyone. I want people to speak freely. But, when it becomes a dumpster fire I can only do so much.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqICountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15076

As a matter of fact this is actually what makes me a bad admin. I don't like banning people, and I give people too many chances.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15077

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All I did was complain about him contributing to toxicity by venting his wish that millions would die, and said someone touched his butthole as a kid.
What rule did I break? Is it not true that that's what he does? Why should any of us have to sit in silence as he loudly proclaims his masturbation to the thought of all of us dying? Or are we giving out bans to the people who sound angry now? What about the people who sound bitter and sound like they deeply despise humanity and want others to suffer?


Zeke probably has a vendetta against me because I called him a mean name once. Or you're all just aesthetes who only care if something looks outwardly like a mess, but will gladly pass a passive-aggressive shitstorm fueled by bitter rage just so long as it has a neat little bow on it.


I wasn't even asking anyone to ban fleur. I was just trying to put him in his place for being a toxic little douche who openly longs for the deaths of all of us despite the fact that many of us don't interact with him.
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Mint horseCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15078

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>>15073
>fuck empathy

Do you even know what empathy is? Empathy is when you put yourself in someone else's situation and imagine how they must feel. For example you wouldn't say something like, "becuz boo boo, a "degenerate" touched him in the butthole as a kid" because the person you're talking about or another user on the site may have actually experienced that as a child, and as I said in a place like this there's bound to be at least one or two people who were actually touched as kids. It's not very complicated, just treat others how you want to be treated.

>I didn't tell him to khs, I said I'd be willing to tell him to khs


Because implying that someone should kys, is so much better than telling them to kys.

I can paraphrase this post and some of the other posts you've made in just three words, I don't care. Well I'd like to say if you don't care about the site or the people on it then why are you here? Don't try and tell me that other users including Fleur have done the same, because the fact that they do something gives you no more right to do the same. If you're going to imply that people should kys, and make fun of people who were raped as children then there's a thousand more appropriate sites on the internet that will accommodate you. The kind of attitude that you often come into conversations with is not welcome here and against site rules.

>what rule did I break?


>blatant personal attacks will not be tolerated.

>blatant attempts to goad or "bait" users into uncivil conduct will not be tolerated.
>disruptive behaviours that prevent others from engaging in a thread will not be tolerated.
>friendly banter/mockery are fine, but hostility is not.

Also if you're going to attack people at least use your name, rather than hiding behind anonymity.

>>15075
>>15076
I understand what you're saying. However next time you should go after those responsible, rather than locking whole threads.

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>>15072
If him being allowed to post at all is considered an error by the mod team why not perma him to fix that error?

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15080

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And honestly, I only do this to be the change I wish to see in the world. I know it's exhausting to constantly have to be banning people and picking up trash, only for factors beyond your control to drive others away, as you're forced to watch as people gradually leave the site and everything you've worked for dries away.
I think there are improvements that can be made that don't necessarily need the hand of direct moderation to be done. I know we have a wrongful reputation for being a hive of "/pol/shit", and it's certainly exhausting to have dedicated propagandists who don't care for the community otherwise to be intently shilling the board 24/7, while others just express their /pol/shit opinions in a bilious and exhausting way that can't even be described as discussion. However, there are also forms of discussion of these subject matters that don't necessarily manifest as these toxic practices, but banning one through mod action also results in banning the other. Which is counterproductive since it makes it look like you're just silencing opposition.

You know there are always those who just are motivated by hatred alone and will never actually discuss these things in a fair and generous manner. But there are also those who aren't, and officially punishing one makes you punish the other.


I'm just carrying out the rules you're unable to codify into enforceable rules. I'm going after the shitposters but not the ones who can discuss things maturely. You should be thanking me.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15081

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>>15078
>Do you even know what empathy is? Empathy is when you put yourself in someone else's situation and imagine how they must feel. For example you wouldn't say something like, "becuz boo boo, a "degenerate" touched him in the butthole as a kid" because the person you're talking about or another user on the site may have actually experienced that as a child, and as I said in a place like this there's bound to be at least one or two people who were actually touched as kids. It's not very complicated, just treat others how you want to be treated.

Not empathizing with someone who openly airs his desire to see me suffer and die because I happen to value a couple different things than he does and he wrongly implicates me in his own problems. He's breaching a social contract up front by failing to be considerate of my own feelings. I shouldn't need to offer compassion for someone who does that, especially when I usually go out of my way to avoid interacting with him.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqICountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15082

>>15078
When the whole thread is a shitshow, it's not anything to redeem. So no.

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>>15068

I didn't do nuffin ;_;

Also here, moved to /oat, someplace with rules, have a diety and civilization thread going.
https://www.ponychan.net/oat/res/42077324.html#42077333
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>>15083
>I didn't do nuffin ;_;

Literally this.

Also I'm extremely interested in history. The only thing I know nothing about is unfortunately paganism. I'll lurk in your thread, and maybe ask a few questions or offer my uneducated opinion, but don't expect much.
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>>15084
For what it's worth this has been a long time coming, I've slowly regained a lot of my sanity, the gay threads are going to more or less come to a halt, that's me defecting from who I really am. Won't lie, like porn and cute guys but yeah, that stops now. May have an ocasional one, once in a while, no more.

That anon was probably some spoiled idiot who lives in the basement. Have to laugh, calling me toxic yet running off at the mouth like that, really reminds me of my time in Western WA. My god liberals are a disgusting people. I may have mental problems i'm working out but atleast i'm not a degenerate.

FYI, I know a lot about paganism. I gave christianity a try but promptly left. The religion sounds nice but at least over here most of the adherants are quite rotten people. Something a lot of newcomers to the USA don't understand, Christianity was the glue that kept communities together, kind of like the small Parish churches in the UK back in the day, right?
Anymore here it's just a religious themed club for lazy idiots. The theology of say, St. Augustine is amazing. TLDR don't blame Christianity for Rome being culturally enriched, take a good look in the mirror first.
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>>15085
I'm quite interested in you. You're the only other person with reactionary views on this site, that is capable of holding an interesting conversation. You should post in some of the more political threads, I'd be really interested to see your opinions on some of the topics we discuss.

Me and you could make a cool tag team, slaying libtrads by the thousand.
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>>15086
I like to think of myself as more of a quasi traditionalist. Why re-invent the wheel? I say learn from our forebears and improve on what they knew.

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>>15085
>I may have mental problems i'm working out but atleast i'm not a degenerate.

HA.

fleur.de.la.douleurCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15089

>>15088
*Unzips pants, checks chest.

Yep, still have a dick and no boobs, i'm degeneracy free. God compared to you I'm Baldur, purest of the gods. No offence, just joking lol.

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>>15087
Yeah I pretty much agree with everything you just said. I was talking about reactionary politics in the more colloquial sense. National Socialism definitely goes by the same system that your proposing.

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Not even gonna lie. These discussions are getting really old. Nothing but.

>durr hurr degeneracy

>hurr durr race realism
>praise dah nazis
>but muh IQ

It's getting really really old... I don't blame people for being fed up with this shit.

fleur.de.la.douleurCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15092

>>15091
Then visit my thread on oat and contribute....
>>15090
In a way it does.

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>>15088
Also you can't stop me! I've seen the light of the Allfather! I'm sane and normal again! The might of Gungnir made me normal again!

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>>15089
Difference between you and I is that I'm not in denial.

I am a degenerate. I'm proud of it. I wear the title happily. I don't see it as an insult. I see it as no different than the title of rebel. There is a horrible dictatorship that is trying to take hold that wants to squeeze the life out of people, and I oppose that.

I oppose that with every fiber of my being. So yes. I'm a degenerate, a rebel to the system that is trying to rob people of their own chance at happiness just to please some arbitrary status quo.

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>>15092
>an entire thread about religion
As an apatheist, I have no interest or care about religion

fleurCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15097

>>15092
Read into it, was going more for gods, philosophy, Jungian archetypes etc...

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>>15096
Only because you asked so nicely.

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Okay, so are we done here? Oooooor?

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>>15077
If I have any kind of "vendetta" against you, it's because of all of the trouble you've caused and continue to cause. I'm pretty sure he has received a warning, but you've received multiple warnings.

>>15080
>I only do this to be the change I wish to see in the world.
With the way you consistently act, that is not change I or anyone else (I don't think) wants to see.
>I'm just carrying out the rules you're unable to codify into enforceable rules.
No you are not, you're the one with the vendetta.
>You should be thanking me.
>

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>>15099
Can we make this a friendship thread? Also are we in the last season?

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>>15099
No wait for everyone else to see the thread. You can /trash/ it tomorrow.

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>>15101
This is /site/, we need to stay on topic.

>>15102
If it doesn't remain on topic, I will lock it.

fleurCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 15105

>>15104
Ahh, ye olde personal attacks. Was going to call you out on your short comings but im better than that. You came from something and abandoned that and became what you are now, I've been shit on as long as ive been down here in the lower 48s, yet i wouldnt dare step over the lines you have, i know better. You out of all the people here have no excuse. I've Atleast admitted my faults, you have not.

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>>15094
I'm not so much denying, I'm "Reforging"
>>15103
Never been here, how does /site work?

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>>15106
>The board for discussing site related issues, questions, concerns, and suggestions

And the rules for this board are:
>Keep discussions here civil. Staff will issue /site/-only bans for people who: Use ad hominem arguments, do not contribute to the discussion at hand or do so in a belligerent manner.


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