>>15068>What you said to Fleur was the furthest thing I've seen from respect on this entire site. What you call "respect" is nothing more than plebeian tier "eye, for an eye" logic, and if everyone on the site adopted said logic all it would take is one person to justify the derailment of a thread or the use of ad-hominem in any conversation, to destroy this whole site and turn it into a genuine /pol/, rather than /pol/ lite.You
don't derail into ad-hominem. You must not be paying attention if you haven't seen any of the times fleur's spent salivating over the deaths of millions and longing for the collapse of society, all because of some vague "degeneracy" all of us have supposedly committed that he loves to allude to but never describes.
I came storming in because I couldn't let him go with the audacity to think he's been "hiding his power level" at all, I've seen his shit. If you want to make a JQ thread that's discussing information you've gathered on the issue or arguments for why you believe what you believe about it, I'm not about to bark at you. I'll maybe try to debate what I actually think about it but you hardly see fleur exercising these same standards. It's always him moaning how much he hates society or outright snapping at others for being too degenerate. His tapeworm-ridden mind is probably too full of opiates to make an argument to begin with.
>Genuine respect is treating someone how you want to be treated, and actually empathising with said person. "Eye, for an eye" logic is nothing more than selfish narcissism that's willing to corporate, but only to the smallest extent needed to fulfil it's own need for respect and empathy, assuming that it's in it's best interest.
Fuck empathy. Empathy is also responsible for that kneejerk testosterone feeling bullies get when they see a cringy weak kid minding his own business and decide to rape him with a wire hanger on the football field.
Empathy can get dumped out of a beaver's asshole to rot in a dumpster at the end of the earth. Empathy never stopped anyone from taking things by force. I don't want to live in a world where people exercise the right to scrape fucking people off the walls like gum because their gut feelings justified it.
No, eternal cold war behind diplomatic flukes is the only answer. I'd prefer if no one warred against anyone, but biology and thermodynamics prohibit that. I'm not laying myself on the altar of empathy. Go sucker someone else into such an indigo-child proposition.
>Genuine respect and civility is empathising with those who aren't willing to show you the same basic respect and human decency. It's going out of your way to forgive those who have wronged you, and treat even those who are most removed from your everyday experiences like actual human beings. most people on this site seem to fully understand this very basic concept, and that's why it's a shame that others are willing to take advantage of that.
I don't dislike you, but what makes you especially challenging to argue anything with is your heavy dependence and invocation of value statements. Since you can't really come to an understanding through logic if two people's values are fundamentally incompatible, I don't know why you bother bringing up these things over and over again. It just amounts to you saying "You should be like me because it's better," something nobody anywhere on the board has any substantial grounds for saying. I can't tell you what to believe, you can't tell me either. I don't care about your values.
Trying to explain to you why this isn't viable and will not get you anywhere is an Atlassian task I don't currently have the time or energy for. Suffice it to say, "cool story bro." You won't shake me out of my own values any quicker than I'll shake you out of yours.
As long as there are people out there who'd essentially murder me because they see my continued existence as a threat, I will never flinch from cooperative selfishness. If I'm going to live in this world as weak as I am, I'll do whatever I can to make up for it, including living by the values of masters rather than slaves.
>The worst part is that you're not even willing or able to follow basic "eye, for an eye" logic. Nothing Fleur has said or done on this site justified what you did. Fleurs "gehy," and edgy threads do not justify you implying that he should kill himself, or that it's ok to wish death upon people you don't like or disagree with.
Yeah, bullshit. For one, I didn't tell him to khs, I said I'd be willing to tell him to khs if he persisted to do so. Which technically he hasn't done, but mind you he's been very open about spewing his wishes of death on others.