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>>13813
So what I'm getting at is that it's okay for me to insult people, dick around and still get to stay here because I have no value in the eyes of an anon?

Wanna run that by me again?

Yordleposting Savant!YoRdlEjxQ6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13815

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Is alt-right politics and anti-lgbt statements just "dissenting opinions" now?
>>13810
>I think that in itself can't be completely controlled and the term itself has become over-saturated
Yeah no fuck off, there is no reason you have to be bigoted and no reason it should be tolerated. The entire rest of the internet does not have this issue, but somehow on ponychan it's ok to say plenty of anti lgbt and anti minority "opinions" (lol). Hate is not an opinion, it is bigotry and should be removed. I'm very ok with dissenting opinions, I'm not ok with bigotry.

>dog-piling on nice users like Rose

I actually was typing an apology to Rose before that thread got locked, because Rose happened to be the only person on earth who spouted Jordan Peterson talking points because he thought they were interesting and not because he had an agenda. That was a very bizzare scenario and I apologize for that.

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>>13816
I appreciate the apology. It's a little hard for me to just say i forgive you, but it's good that you at least recognize that you said things that were wrong. You hurt me really bad, it'll take some time to fully heal.

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Also can I not be grouped in with the whole "spouts leftist twitter propoganda nonstop" group? I don't think I've ever posted that on my time on this site, only yordles.

Personally, I feel like you should 100% be able to say "I think your opinion stupid", however I don't think you should be able to make thinly veiled statements alluding to racism over and over again. Imo, free speech stops when you are attacking things other people can't control, and making bigoted statements.

I agree however that even a lot of leftist users get way too personal in their attacks on other people, and I don't like that myself. I won't defend that.

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>>13819

Yeah, that was unfair of me.

I haven't really watched your posts before now so I just figured you were in the same group that I mentioned before. I've seen the same complaints enough times on here from the same people that I just made the assumption.

Shouldn't have jumped to conclusions like that. Sorry.
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>>13820
It's alright, it's all a really tense time politically in the world, it'll happen.

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>>13822
>i just prefer it to be done in a civil manner
I guess that's just a difference, I think if you're implying you hate brown people, I really don't feel like I should have to be polite to you at that point.

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>>13823

And then we have people thinking that they don't have to be civil to you because you're not being civil to others, and it all devolves into one big, happy screaming contest.

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>>13824
I mean I guess, but again, if you're holding thinly veiled racist views I don't see any reason why I have to sympathize with you being upset that you are being attacked. If you don't want to be attacked, how about not hating someone due to their race or sexuality or gender.

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>>13825

Well, what are you hoping to achieve by yelling at those people? Because it seems to me that it's only really for your own sake, to allow you to feel better. You see something that makes you angry. You have two choices - either you can explain why the other person is wrong, and while it's unlikely that you'll convince the other person, they aren't the only one reading. Or you can just call them an idiot and achieve nothing besides angering people and your own self-satisfaction. Which of those two options is more likely to result in any sort of improvement?

That's not even getting into the question of what gives you the right to determine who is deserving of such punishment - that's what the report button is for, after all.

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>>13826
>You have two choices - either you can explain why the other person is wrong, and while it's unlikely that you'll convince the other person, they aren't the only one reading
That implies that there is a chance they change their view, which in my experience has not been an option. When someone is that full hate they're not gonna easily go back on it via a nice conversation.

> Because it seems to me that it's only really for your own sake, to allow you to feel better.

I think that's kinda why people get angry in general fam.

>that's what the report button is for, after all.

I've used that plenty, nothing happens.

and honestly speaking, I mostly just decide to not post at all and ignore all this stuff rather than yell at people for it anyway, because yelling at them doesn't change anything and is just gonna upset me. I actually think the last time i got upset at someone saying vaguely alt right views was with the Rose thingy, and that was like a month ago.
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>>13828
>maybe i should mods to leave a ban message on the posts
UHHH... yea that would be kinda useful, what the fuck. That definitely would've changed my views on the ownership of this site.

>just tell them how dumb they are in a civil manner

I mean I guess i'll try, tho that feels like you're supporting the idea that bigotry and non bigotry are like just equally valued opinions and not hateful nonsense that needs to be removed.

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Well good things came out of this thread, I'm all happym warm and fuzzy and a little aroused now.

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>>13827

>That implies that there is a chance they change their view, which in my experience has not been an option. When someone is that full hate they're not gonna easily go back on it via a nice conversation.


No it doesn't. Read again. You're unlikely to change the view of the person you're arguing against, but they're not the only one reading. There are always other people reading the thread, and those people you often can sway with good arguments and a decent tone. Much better chance with those things, anyways, than with just a blanket statement of bigotry. Justified or not, it's not really helpful to anyone other than yourself - and even then, only in the very short term.

> I think that's kinda why people get angry in general fam.


There's a difference between getting angry and acting aggressively as a result. One is outside of your control, the other is entirely your choice. I was referring to the latter. Just because you feel like yelling at someone, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

> I've used that plenty, nothing happens.


Can't expect the mods to always agree with you on what's deserving of a ban. I used it just the other day, in two different threads, and they both resulted in reactions. There weren't any ban messages, though, but it looks like Mikie already addressed that part.

But, like, if quoting someone like Jordan Peterson (Who, in all honesty, seems fairly milquetoast to me) is enough to earn your wrath, then maybe you need to consider whether that wrath is justified. Maybe, sometimes, you're overreacting? Just maybe?
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>>13815
>implying bigotry is reserved specifically for opinions on the LGBT community and minorities.

>Yeah no fuck off

>no reason it should be tolerated.
It sounds like you have a certain intolerance towards those who hold different opinions on the matter. That, by definition, is bigotry.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13836

>when people are so mindblowingly retarded they can't grasp the Paradox of Tolerance

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>>13810
Well, some of the things you've posted in the past seem to go beyond discomfort. But, as I said, you would have less of an issue if you were less of a dick about it.

If I made a thread saying "white metalhead Air Force dropouts are mentally ill and shouldn't be allowed to smoke weed" (stupid example but I can't think of anything better), that may not be a direct insult toward you, but it'd pretty clearly be a shitty thing for me to post, wouldn't it?

I'm "bigoted" about Windows. I think Microsoft is evil, I want their stranglehold on the market to go away, and on a certain level it frustrates me that most people not only use Windows, but also see my proselytizing of Linux as coming from a place of elitism or hipsterism rather than a place of genuine concern for the direction of the computer industry. But if I dumped a bunch of memes calling Windows users sheep and cucks lapping up Microsoft's shit because they think chocolate is too hard to eat sorry Windows users, just making an example here, would that not a) legitimize their view of me as an elitist, b) not accomplish anything, and c) just be kind of a shitty thing for me to do?

It's okay to be uncomfortable, on a certain level maybe you can't control that any more than I can control the thing that makes you uncomfortable. But part of basic human decency is knowing when to keep discomfort about something to yourself, and knowing how to express it tactfully if you absolutely must.

>>13815
>Is alt-right politics and anti-lgbt statements just "dissenting opinions" now?
No.

>>13819
There's a reason I didn't name names there. For the record, I don't hate anyone who "could" be lumped in with that crowd, and I don't want them removed from the site, nor do I want them to stop participating in discussions or openly disagreeing with people. I was a bit harsh about it, but what it really boils down to is just that I think they should try to be more civil with how they go about it, and ease up a little on the "shoot first, ask questions later" approach. The Rose situation was just the most egregious example that came to mind, but I do recognize and appreciate that you were trying to apologize and did in a different thread (though I'm not sure if he saw it or not).

Just in general, I think we need to stop approaching these kinds of discussions as "X person has an opinion that members of Y group also have, therefore X is a member of Y. Y are my enemies, therefore X is also my enemy. Since X is my enemy, they must be approached with hostility." That's the biggest problem plaguing political discussion on Ponychan currently, not whether the opinions expressed are of a "liberal" or "conservative" slant.

>>13823
>I guess that's just a difference, I think if you're implying you hate brown people
tbh, if someone's saying stuff like that, it's not even worth dignifying with a response. Just report and ignore. Racism is unambiguously against the rules of the site, full stop. If someone makes a racist thread, don't post in it, click the checkbox and report and send it to /trash/ for the rats to eat.

>>13836
>when you cite the Paradox of Tolerance and use bigoted language in the same breath

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>>13836

I understand mental gymnastics perfectly fine, I just think they're stupid. It basically boils down to "People that don't afford others tolerance don't deserve that either. I perceive myself as a crusader for tolerance. Therefore, I don't have to show tolerance to others, despite claiming that to be my entire MO."

It's great! You just label anyone who doesn't agree with you as intolerant, and you have a moral license to treat them however you want, without being a hypocrite. It's great! Anything you do or say to anyone is justified, because you're the "good guy".

Starshine!Laura/wmXMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13839

>>13838
To be fair, he does have a point. If people are propagating genuine bigotry and intolerance, I don't think we have to or should just sit back and let it happen, least of all on a community-oriented website where we have a minimum standard of conduct. To me, the problem arises when, as you said, people label others as intolerant regardless of whether or not that's actually what they're saying or doing, and use it as a moral license to behave below the minimum standard themselves.

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>>13839

It works in theory. But many things that are good in theory get corrupted by human nature. In this case, I've never seen anyone who espoused that particular bit of philosophy use it as anything but an excuse to treat anyone that disagrees with them poorly. And, like you pointed out yourself, the person using it here is using bigoted language themselves, meaning that it's more than likely yet another example of the ol' "I'm in the right, so I can do and say whatever I want and still be in the right, because I am in the right".
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>>13840
Inversely, if we have no standard for what's okay or not okay to post, we end up with a situation like 2015 /oat/ where the board is just cluttered with "gas the degenerates" shit and unfunny jew memes. I think the solution really is just a clearly outlined, unambiguous metric for what will and won't be tolerated, that allows for neither getting crap past the radar nor abusing the rule to get someone disliked unfairly banned by twisting their words. Probably easier said than done, and with nuanced subjects like these there can never be a perfect one-size-fits-all answer, but it can at least be reasonably effective and well-tuned to the wants and needs of the community.

Chewy *Element Of Fortitude*!!Twilight SparkleCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13842

>>13837
>Just in general, I think we need to stop approaching these kinds of discussions as "X person has an opinion that members of Y group also have, therefore X is a member of Y. Y are my enemies, therefore X is also my enemy. Since X is my enemy, they must be approached with hostility."

this so much, I don't believe that things like actual threats of violence against people in the name of bigotry should be accepted of course, but the irony is that I now see people who claim to be anti-bigotry making threats of violence just on the basis of thinking someone is a bigot, even if the supposed bigot(s) haven't made any kind of truly awful statement(s) themselves. That's what I was getting at when I said earlier that "alt-right is not a synonym for conservative", people on both sides are now lumping others into these massive stereotypes based simply on any indication of something they agree with one side about.

in all fairness sometimes people actually do fit those stereotypes but I feel like there is way more middle ground than people realize, the political climate has really made people believe that everything is very simple and black and white and "if everyone just agreed with ME there would be peace on earth!!" but it's just not like that.

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>>13841

Well, the problem with that is differing standards. Like - and I'm sorry for bringing this up again, but it's just such a good example - apparently some people thought that posting Jordan Peterson quotes in and of itself was problematic. Now, since no one commented on the content of those quotes, I can only assume that they weren't terribly offensive, and that the problem was the source, nothing else. Now, obviously, I don't personally agree with Jordan Peterson on certain contentious issues - how could I? However, I also think it's a severe overreaction to consider someone intolerant enough that intolerance is justified towards them (Which I have to assume to have been the case there), just because they posted something from a source that said some bad things.

Now, that's just one example of the vastly differing standards that we judge content by. Ultimately, while the mods are only human and absolutely make mistakes, I'd rather trust their judgment in such cases, rather than leaving it up to every individual poster to police what they consider to be content worthy and unworthy of being allowed a platform on the site.

I am also very much of the opinion that two wrongs don't make a right.
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Chewy *Element Of Fortitude*!!Twilight SparkleCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13844

>>13841

I agree but I think no matter how clear you try to make rules, there will always, ALWAYS be people who still find a way to piss a lot of people off without technically breaking them. the unfortunate reality is that a lot of people thrive on being angry and/or making others angry and so sometimes there really are certain situations where civil discussion simply becomes an impossibility regardless of whoever is more objectively right. I think that has more to due with the nature of people and politics in general.
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>>13843
The thread that the Jordan Peterson thing went down in is actually still up at >>>/ef/84483 if you want to read it, might shed a little more perspective on the matter. I don't entirely agree with Rose's position myself (though I do agree on some level that the wage gap issue is nowhere near as clear-cut as some make it out to be), but I definitely don't think it warranted the response he got, especially considering he wasn't "presenting conservative propaganda as fact" as accused, but more than welcome to disagreement and evidence against him. I think it's a good example of why political discussions would go much more smoothly if more people applied Hanlon's razor.


>Ultimately, while the mods are only human and absolutely make mistakes, I'd rather trust their judgment in such cases, rather than leaving it up to every individual poster to police what they consider to be content worthy and unworthy of being allowed a platform on the site.

Of course, that is what the mods are here for, after all.

>I am also very much of the opinion that two wrongs don't make a right.

I very much agree.

>>13844
Yeah, in some cases you really do just have to settle for "good enough". As I said, there's really no perfect one-size-fits-all answer.

Chewy *Element Of Fortitude*!!Twilight SparkleCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13846

>>13845

I mean compared to other discussion websites, I'd say the rules on the home page here are actually very specific and detailed, yet people have still found ways to exploit what little vagueness or grey area there is. Like I said it's just how people are on the internet. That, and the fact that lots of people have a predisposition against virtually any kind of authority, i.e. a site's mods/admins, so anything that serves as confirmation bias for how those kinds of users already perceive the mods only strengthens how upset they get even when they are being punished in an obviously just manner.

in other words, people take shit way too personally a lot of the time. although I gotta be honest, I don't know of a better website to discuss politics or things in general, like yeah we have our drama here sometimes but personally when I see some of the shit I see elsewhere it makes me thankful that this community exists tbh.
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AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13847

>"retard" is on the same tier as gas the kikes, race war nao, blacks are inherently dumber, lgbt are all sick degenerates, mooslims are all goatfuckers with insatiable bloodlust, anteefah should be murdered and that fat bitch in charlotte got what she deserved

Starshine!Laura/wmXMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13848

>>13846
We're definitely leaps and bounds beyond 4chan. Gotta be on like 20 layers of irony to keep your sanity there.

>>13847
Who are you quoting

Starshine!Laura/wmXMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13849

Not memeing, literally who said or defended those things

Starshine!Laura/wmXMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13850

As expected.

Take off the nightmare vision goggles.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13851

>>13850
>take off a biasing factor
>t. Starshine

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13852

>>13850
Someone who's butt hurts a whole damn lot, or someone who's just trying too damn hard to bait you guys.
Just ignore the asshole, he's not worth it

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>>13852
speaking of assholes not worth the effort

IkaCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13854

>>13836
>>13847
Why even come here with that attitude and shit up a thread while providing nothing to the discussion?

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13855

>>13854
"Why even come here" is a great question

Starshine!Laura/wmXMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13856

>>13852
Also someone who's literally threatened murder on this site before. Not really sure why he thinks he's in a position to moralize.

IkaCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13857

>>13856
Oh boy this is rich, I love it.

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>>13856
What an edgy cunt, lol(USER WAS SENT TO THE MOON FOR THIS POST)

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>>13856
Killing snowbell wouldn't be murder :^)
And I didn't anyway, take off the nightmare goggles(USER WAS SENT TO THE MOON FOR THIS POST)

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Based mods.

Chewy *Element Of Fortitude*!!Twilight Sparkle ## ModCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13861

Ad hominem and general belligerence is not acceptable on /site/. If the discussion cannot be kept civil, there will be further warnings/bans handed out.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13862

Embarassingly perfect. Act like a shitter akin to PC from another side, except instead of falling over themselves to defend Laura does the opposite, and instead of doing nothing Mikie bans.

Lmao too easy.(USER WAS SENT TO THE MOON FOR THIS POST)

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I don't tell people they should die because I don't agree with them, friendo.(USER WAS SENT TO THE MOON FOR THIS POST)

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13865

no regrets

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13866

Love too stand up for this piece of shit

https://www.ponychan.net/ef/res/95252.html#95355

I remember taking a self-reported ban when one of these anon fucks told me to "put (my) rifle under my chin and blow (my) head off" that wouldn't have been banned if I hadn't, but yeah starshine you fuckin shitter it's all on me and the "gang" (of apparently 1, since I know you couldn't name a single other person besides me)(USER WAS SENT TO THE MOON FOR THIS POST)

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>>13866
I didn't even name you. I'm sick of all the finger pointing. I really just want this site to be a pleasant and enjoyable place without all the pointless shitflinging and "he said she said" that goes in in political threads. It never accomplishes anything, it never gets anywhere, there's no point in it taking place, and it's not because of the topics themselves, because those topics get discussed just fine on the other site you hate. It's purely because a subset of people don't understand that hostility and shitposting just make everything worse.

IkaCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13868

I think I got what I wanted form this thread and I'm pretty enough to delete this thread so that anon can't have more fun now, may I request this thread being deleted? Turns out users can't delete their own threads!

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13869

Ban the entire site tbh.

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>>13868

Report your own post if you wanna be sure that a mod sees it. Just explain why in the report reason.
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>>13869
I am in favor of this.


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