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Concerning "Ban Evasion" and Visibility of Bans NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13301

So, a few days ago, I made the unfortunate discovery that, as it happens, the way bans are done on this site are unfortunately out of date. It is very easy to be banned, and never realize it, or to be banned and believe it to be revoked, only to get a massive increase on your ban for "evasion" that was never intended.

Now, a part of this issue could be solved by following a certain aspect of the "Site Staff Standards", but I'll leave that for another thread. Instead, I'd like to explore options to prevent these types of events in the future.
As it currently stands, the average user cannot be reasonably expected to abide a ban, when they may well not even know it exists, leaving off issues of assumed revoked bans. And, I can certainly say, getting banned for "evasion" and then worse having the lot remain despite explaining the ordeal to the administration breeds a helluva lot of animosity. I'd make the argument that it is not a healthy standard for a community.

So; how do we fix this?
It seems to me there's a few options, though unfortunately most would probably require some development.
The first, method'd be adopting a 8chan-esque "ban list", showing public bans and their duration, as well as, I believe, bans that've been revoked. Issues with this are, of course, that the bans are public. Might not be ideal, depending on your stake there.
Still leaves the issue with difficulty noticing the ban in the first place, but, at least, after you've noticed it you have a place to check. A "ban page" would also be a nice addition, as it seems currently, the only way to see the ban page is to attempt to make a post.

Another option is to link bans to names, as well. This'd be an optional addition, in most situations, I'd say, so you could obviously avoid it when made by a imitator, or an anon. This'd give you the application regardless of IP, which'd avoid issues for those of us with dynamic or multiple devices.

Another, probably shit option, is accounts. Bonus points for giving people a way to directly contact, but it's also a bit of a hassle, and goes against our usual imageboard standards.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13302

You got banned, "assumed" that "appeal" meant "unban" and kept posting.

The only issue is that you're a pretentious moron with worse Dunning-Kruger than Reaver.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13303

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>>13302
I got banned, assumed that my appeal was accepted, and kept going.
As I had explained elsewhere.
But, besides that, apparently a while back I had also been banned from /site/ without ever knowing so. I could've well been banned for "evasion" despite never once seeing the ban.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13304

>>13303
"Assumed my appeal was accepted" is entirely your fault and virtually no one else in the history of the site has made this mistake because no one else is that stupid.
This post was edited by its author on .

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13305

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>>13304
Please post your citations, then.
Because I can tell you I was banned without ever knowing it, as stated by Admiral.
And I can tell you that this issue did, indeed, happen after Mikie's shit ban, wherein posting again from my phone to attempt to see the lot did not work.

If you're just going to shit up the thread by acting like a cunt, I'm afraid I've got no reason to respond to you.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13306

>>13305
You're lying now. You did know you were banned. They specifically said they knew you saw the ban screen. You then appealed, assumed it was revoked - a stupid assumption that no one else has ever made - and continued to post, whereupon you were given a longer ban for evasion.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13307

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>>13306
And now you're just being an illiterate shitter.
Wew.

If you're going to be unhelpful, and just start making nonsensical accusations, why not go some place else?

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13309

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>>13308
Except that the guy was factually incorrect, Mikie.
As I literally just explained.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13311

>>13310
See
>>13307

But, besides that, the claim made that I thought "appeal" meant "unban" was factually incorrect.

Did you really feel the need to jump into a thread with less than ten posts, and not even read it?

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13313

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>>13312
Never been banned before. Never broke any rules, after all.

What idea?

Sure. But, what I did was I put an appeal in.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13315

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>>13314
I literally just fucking explained that to you holy shit Mikie
Are you seriously incapable of reading?
Don't act like a cunt.
I did not think that the appeal means a ban was lifted.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13316

I had a problem with this back in the S2 golden era, where I’d get banned on my phone or a PC, but because I’m working from a million different PCs at work, I never know it until I’m getting slammed with ban evasions. I was even perma banned from mlpchan for awhile by Anonthony because of this.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13318

>>13316
Honestly, I'm shocked it isn't something complained about more.
I guess we just didn't ban that many people, much.

The chan way of banning-by-IP is rather out-of-date, in the modern era of cell phones, laptops, pads, and so on.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13319

>>13317
Actually didn't know, mate.

I posted in order to check, as I had stated in that thread.

I'm going to be very blunt here, Mikie:
Why are you being a dick about this?

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13321

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>>13320
What, you mean house internet?
Yeah, no duh. I knew that.
Which is why I posted from my phone first to check.

It's almost like I already explained this before.

Seriously, man, maybe you need to relax some first. Go watch a video, or something. Come back with a fresh head.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13322

Ban check pl0x. When was the last time I was banned? Should be about 5 years now, with the exception of a 1 sec ban because a mod had a question for me.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13324

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>>13322
I wonder if you could add a search function to a ban list setup, what'd let you find old bans issued.
Would be rahter nice. Though, I'm not really sure what the advantage'd be.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13325

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>>13323
Except that evidently I was not, given that I was "evading" by posting from my phone.
But, hey, I'm glad you've fallen for the same issue I have.
That means that even you would've had this issue.
You would've assumed yourself unbanned, in my shoes.

Apparently, with my Nokia Lumia, that is not the case. Maybe it's a windows phone thing.

Wifi was off, because my home wifi is shitty most the time. Unless it turned on at random, but given that it's right besides me clearly with the wifi off, I doubt that.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13326

>>13324
Would be funny if I could see all the bans Dragomena, Crimson, and Rainbro gave me.

>>13323

Sweet lol

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13328

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>>13327
Yes. I checked with the IP I was banned, which would be my phone, and when that was unbanned after having appealed when I returned home, I assumed the ban was revoked, given that it was not a ban for any rule violation, but rather one of heated engagement.

You're telling me that you would check if you still had the ban on the device you were banned on.
That is what I did.
What would you do when you found that on the device you were banned on, you were able to post without issue, after appealing a ban given in the heat of the moment, unjustly, for no rule violation?

You're telling me you would "check". Well, that's what I had done.
So what now?
Would you not resume posting as normal?

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13329

>>13315
>Are you seriously incapable of reading?

>from the guy who didn't fucking read anything when he got banned and was too fucking illiterate to know what the word 'appeal' meant

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13330

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>>13329
Again, straight falsehood. As I had already demonstrated.
If you're just going to lie, I'd recommend going somewhere else.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13332

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>>13331
Are you stupid or something?
I realized I was still banned BECAUSE I WAS BANNED FOR EVADING
Fucking christ, Mikie.
Maybe look outside your own personal hatred for me, and think for your fucking self.
https://www.ponychan.net/ef/res/70420+50.html#71211

>AT&T and AT&T are different service providers

WEW

Why the fuck would I ban evade, Mikie?
Why the fuck would I dance around a minor ban for twelve fucking hours, the time it'd take for me to go to sleep and get back from work?
Why the fuck would I evade a ban from one shitty board, when I can happily post on /oat/ or /site/ or anywhere else?
Why the fuck would, after getting banned for "evading", I immediately call the moderation team a bunch of unprincipled liars who would actively deceive users in order to get rid of one posters?
Surely you recognize I was not half as mad as I was in the /moon/ thread over your minor heat-of-the-moment ban, right?

Please. Step away from your own anger. Step away from your biases. Think. Read. Consider.
Stop being a cunt.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13333

>>13332
>Stop being a cunt

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13336

>>13333
Honestly, though.
He's come into a thread, immediately taken the statements of a liar to be gospel, not reading a thing I've posted. And then, when I called it out, he's continued it.
>>13334
Mikie
I just explained this
Please, read.
>>13328
>Yes. I checked with the IP I was banned, which would be my phone, and when that was unbanned after having appealed when I returned home, I assumed the ban was revoked, given that it was not a ban for any rule violation, but rather one of heated engagemen
I checked with the phone I was banned from
The cellphone, still on LTE connection.
I used the device that I had been banned on, with the connection that I had been banned on, to check whether or not I was still banned.

I know my home internet and my phone are different

Please read what I have said, and stop letting your own biases influence you.
If you want to ban me, fine. 'Least I'll know you really don't care any more.
I've put the facts in front of you.
I've explained exactly what has happened.
You're just plugging your ears, screaming, because apparently you dislike me that much.

Don't expect me to just accept whatever you say. Don't expect me not to defend myself.
Of damn well course I am going to argue the point, when your argument is based on deliberate misrepresentations and lies created by cunts.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13337

>>13335
IT WASN'T HOME YOU JACKOFF FUCKING CHRIST CAN YOU NOT READ MY POSTS
>post from cellphone provider LTE
>Post again from cellphone provider LTE
>Different IPS somehow

READ. WHAT. I. AM. SAYING. MIKEI

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13338

Can we get some other mod in here to help me out?
Admiral, you were pretty cool yesterday. You understood what I was saying.

Mikie apparently won't listen to me. Would you mind explaining it to him?

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13340

>>13336
>the one person who would have more first-hand knowledge of the entire situation than anyone else on earth is the one you're saying doesn't know what they're talking about

Baffling as to why you're even still here. There isn't a single person who enjoys your presence, you post absolutely nothing interesting, you don't make any good threads, you have no friends here, everything you do is just a stupid argument about your insane 'principles' and not a single person here would miss you .

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13342

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>>13340
>Baffling as to why you're even still here. There isn't a single person who enjoys your presence, you post absolutely nothing interesting, you don't make any good threads, you have no friends here, everything you do is just a stupid argument about your insane 'principles' and not a single person here would miss you
You do nothing! You are nothing! You sit in here all day and play that sick, repulsive, electric twanger! I carried an M-16 and you-you carry that-that-GUITAR!!!

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13343

>>13340
This pretty much.

For any other person here that wasn't a troll, you'd figure that the person would at least have the social awareness to figure that out on their own.

Starshine!Laura/wmXMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13344

>>13341
Some mobile providers do actually rotate IPs. It's possible he's telling the truth.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13346

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>>13345
Will this help?
This is a post from my Nokia Lumia 1020.
You're probably going to want to ban me from this anyway.

My phone number is 251-689-5476. Call me.

Starshine!Laura/wmXMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13349

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>>13345
>seeing as i can see one IP that remains the same for for a few months and one that regularly changes
The one that remains the same is his home IP, the one that changes is his mobile?

Makes sense to me.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13351

Starshine finding a way to contort herself into a mental pretzel to defend a shithead who's in the wrong and would shrug at her being shuffled off to a gas-chamber

Imagine my shock

Starshine!Laura/wmXMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13352

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>>13350
I can't see the IP on that post, so it proves nothing to me one way or the other.

>>13351
I'm just saying I don't think it's that far-fetched that someone wouldn't realize their ban is still active if their IP changes without them knowing. That's all.

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>>13354
Reminds me of Steam.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13356

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Test.
This is another reply from my phone to see if restarting was the issue. Given that o do have to do that because the blue tooth jams at work sometimes and I've got to restart to repower.
Note the time.

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>>13356
>Evading again

The fuck man.

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>>13358
Meh, Steam was a lot more fun to mess with.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13360

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>>13358
> banned for proving myself innocent
Really dude?

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13363

what's it like to be on the wrong side of pchan history again, laura

>>13362

good shit, maybe he'll go drag down some other site instead

Starshine!Laura/wmXMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13364

>>13354
Fair enough.

>>13356
>>13360
You proved that your IP changes when you restart your phone, but you know you're banned and he literally just said he'd permaban you if you knowingly evaded again...

Amy_of_Shadows[Shitty Tablet for mobility]!LAINj6mQVkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13365

>>13342
Popping in to say i got this reference and found it hilarious

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13366

>>13365
WHADDYOU WANNA DO WITH YOUR LIFE!?!?

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13367

>>13364
Please see the /moon/ thread for my replies. No need to shit things up further. I'll wait until other mods wake up.
You can contact me on discord under The Strielok#1230, Steam under "doktorkebab", or my own phone number 251-689-5476.(USER WAS SENT TO THE MOON FOR THIS POST)

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13369

>>13368
stay #woke

Amy_of_Shadows[Shitty Tablet for mobility]!LAINj6mQVkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13371

>>13366
YOU'RE ALL WORTHLESS AND WEAK

Amy_of_Shadows[Shitty Tablet for mobility]!LAINj6mQVkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13372

Hey can i be in the screencap/archive when this is locked
In b4 lock

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13373

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Great Job, Graff.

!pinkie78OsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13374

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>frequently ban evades to try and justify how he isn't ban evading
>ignores Mikie's rulings because he's somehow being unfair despite being warned repeatedly and refusing to drop a subject
>posts his actual phone number in the hopes that another mod will talk to him so he can go on and on about how he's totally right and Mikie's just being a dick

This is a new standard of sheer obliviousness.

Shine on you Coo-razy Dia-mond-o.

Amy_of_Shadows[Shitty Tablet for mobility]!LAINj6mQVkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13375

for the record, I too have legit had this same problem a number of years ago but i had enough agency to email the mods and not exasserbate the problem
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Amy_of_Shadows[Shitty Tablet for mobility]!LAINj6mQVkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13376

Frankly, i think comparing Steam and Manley to noonim is an insult to steam and manley

Tracer BulletCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13377

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>>13376
I think they're all worthless sacks of carbon and bandwidth.

!RISkQqf4EMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13378

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>>13379
Guess he'll be free of everything except crippling debt.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13381

Noonim was a necessary evil.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13382

>>13380
debt is a spook!

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13383

>>13376
Steam Twist wasn't so malignant...

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13384

>>13365
Lmao thank you

Amy_of_Shadows[Shitty Tablet for mobility]!LAINj6mQVkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13385

>>13383
yeah
I haven't seen a sapient being with such a low level of self-awareness
>>13384
no problem m'lord
*tip*

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13386

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I like drama when it happens to other people. It makes my time here fun. It also makes me realize and appreciate the times when I've been so irrationally and emotionally invested in places like ponychan, mlpchan, and The Roundstable, that Id get into arguments and get banned all the damn time. At the time I didn't care if I got banned, as long as I got my self righteous point across, but afterwards there was always instant extreme regret and panic. I'm sure this dude will regret everything they've said. Hell, they're lurking the thread right now to see what everyone is still talking about.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13387

>>13386
Personally, I try not to regret anything.
Not easy. There's always mistakes nagging at you. Little failures, here and there.
But, as long as you keep moving forward, it isn't too bad.
You just have to look at those trips as learning experiences. Last thing I'd ever want to do is get rid of them, that way. They're a part of why I am me, right?

Mewtini!ffdmeOLmQECountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13402

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>>13387
Would you say that keeping your learning experiences is one of your...principles?

☲ Prince Ember Storm!MSNowBALLkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13406

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Permaban pls?

Or rather, please elaborate. Was it a perma?
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AdmiralCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13409

>>13406
It was a permaban.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13411

>>13406
Perma. All for a rule that is not on the rules page or stickied on the board, and doesn't actually have that level of effect.
It should be at most one hour, and only for site

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13412

>>13411
And then the multiple evasions........

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13413

>>13412
Yep.
Other admins aren't going to do a thing. I tried contacting them before. All that happened is I waited out my first ban, and got banned again, likewise for no reason
So what's left?

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13414

>>13412
To clarify the first ban was from all boards, for three days.
I've not had any prior bans before this, bar mikie's self admitted bad ban, and one from site I never saw.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13415

>>13414
I’ve been perma banned from The Roundstable for 4.5 years, and I’ve not ban evaded once. You’re not doing yourself any favors by evading like this. It’ll only make it more difficult to get the ban lifted if you ever make your case.

Take some time away, reflect on how ridiculous it is to get worked up about anything on a My Little Pony imageboard, then come back if Mikie allows it. You need to show genuine contrition and that you’ve seen how you were wrong.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13416

>>13415
I don't think I can make my case. Mikie clearly is fed up with me. He banned me twice now outside the rules. Is either evade or be gone for good.

Only way I see things changing is if Admiral or someone takes over.
As for the idea of apologizing, I didn't do a damn thing.
Only thing I apologize for is the mean things I said about the staff besides Mikie. I don't think they actually deserved that, by large. Wasn't on them, was on Mikie

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13417

>>13415
You're right about the last bit, though. Imageboard shit isn't worth getting worked up over. I really do need to relax a bit with it.
Still, I've no intention of being forced out for no wrong. I absolutely refuse it.

!pinkie78OsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13418

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Just when you thought it was over...

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13419

>>13418
NOONIM NEVER DIES(USER WAS SENT TO THE MOON FOR THIS POST)

Elicoor13Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13420

>ban evading
>again
>just to post on /site/ of all fucking places
noonim is a great saga, oh my god.

that speedy mod removal was fucking gold, thank you mod-team for not putting up with this temper tantrum.
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Mewtini!ffdmeOLmQECountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13423

I WARNED YOU ABOUT NOONIM BRO

I TOLD YOU DAWG


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