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HOLY FUCKING CHRIST Trip Touhous 'Nuclear Hell Raven' 'Socialist' Stagemaster Foalins!oImGreatxACountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12965Locked[Last 50 Posts]

You know, giving us the ability to filter noonin for his vile shitpost doesn't do much good if we still can't filter this shit:

https://www.ponychan.net/ef/res/55612.html

Who the fuck is doing this? Clearly the problem continues unabated. I want to be able to block this shitty content and just not read it anymore.

Trip Touhous 'Nuclear Hell Raven' 'Socialist' Stagemaster Foalins!oImGreatxACountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12967

>>12966

Okay moot that worked out so well for 4chan didn't it it's just a great place for discourse.

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12968

>>12966
And it's become full of pissing contests instead of free discussion.

Trip Touhous 'Nuclear Hell Raven' 'Socialist' Stagemaster Foalins!oImGreatxACountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12970

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>>12968

No see you have to let shithead bad faith trolls post whatever AND be completely impossible to block while doing it or you're literally stifle freeze peach.

T. Mikie admin genius

Trip Touhous 'Nuclear Hell Raven' 'Socialist' Stagemaster Foalins!oImGreatxACountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12971

>>12969

NO HE DIDNT YOU DOLT. THEY TOOK OVER EVERY BOARD ON THE SITE.

Have you posted there in like a year or two?

Trip Touhous 'Nuclear Hell Raven' 'Socialist' Stagemaster Foalins!oImGreatxACountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12973

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>>12972

Because you, and the people immediately before you, did nothing and now the site is shit.

We literally cannot talk about politics, news or world events without watching the same two anonymous faggots jerk each other off and post their bait with such volume it drowns everything else out.

Trip Touhous 'Nuclear Hell Raven' 'Socialist' Stagemaster Foalins!oImGreatxACountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12975

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>>12974

No, Mikie. It isn't a fucking "different view" and just because you're enough of a right wing chud to sympathize doesn't make them good faith political positions. These people are posting bait.

They aren't even posting things they really believe, odds are, and are just stirring shit. They're trolling. I should be able to filer the IDs of people who do that 24/7, but you feel that's some radical infringement on their right to be complete shitheads all day I guess.

Trip Touhous 'Nuclear Hell Raven' 'Socialist' Stagemaster Foalins!oImGreatxACountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12977

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>>12976

If you call thony and noonin shitposting at each other for a hundred posts a healthcare discussion.

Also you should make thony block noonin and keep him that way. Holy fuck.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12979

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A lot of Trip's posts here would have been just as readable without the insults, the ad hominem, and the caps lock. You know what I do when I'm pissed off at someone? I wait until the frustration is off my mind, and only then I come back to make a rational response. Like, my god, this thread is almost even more unsettling than the thread in question.

Trip Touhous 'Nuclear Hell Raven' 'Socialist' Stagemaster Foalins!oImGreatxACountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12980

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>>12978

Well supposedly he DID that. And I think, to be entirely honest, the thing driving this is that he CANT filter anonymous OP posts, or posts like the attached here that are designed explicitly to be bait for explicitly him, mac and et al.

At the end of the day, I read more than enough of this drivel on twitter and frankly I wouldn't care if it just fell of the fucking page and died, but as long as its there thony and noonin will both reply and at that point seems he cant help but read noonins posts and reply and then we have another trash fire.

We really cant talk about politics without that ending up in exactly that manner. These aren't honest positions they're just people baiting. That OP is just people baiting. If it wouldn't have to be a 1000 page affair every time that's fine but I dont think thony can be the issue here when all he's guilty of is being baited by people posting deliberate bait.

Trip Touhous 'Nuclear Hell Raven' 'Socialist' Stagemaster Foalins!oImGreatxACountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12981

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These are just bait. Like they are bait for a specific person at that. Thony, obviously.

The Shucc!YoRdlEjxQ6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12982

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I think the lesson here is you cannot simultaneously have a zone of true freeze peach, and also have good political discourse, and we (or really mikie) has to choose which he wants. And for the record, I'm pretty sure most people want better discourse.

Trip Touhous 'Nuclear Hell Raven' 'Socialist' Stagemaster Foalins!oImGreatxACountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12983

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>>12982

Honestly I think just letting people up and filter content to the point that the posts dont even appear minimized could fix this but that's not how filtering works on this site and hurr durr anons are just gonna post bait while being unfilterable anyway.
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Macaroni !RevGiOKgRoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12984

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The Shucc!YoRdlEjxQ6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12986

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>>12985
I mean you made the only board that allows political discussion also the board with the "no safe zone" shit. It's going to obviously be a disaster.

Trip Touhous 'Nuclear Hell Raven' 'Socialist' Stagemaster Foalins!oImGreatxACountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12987

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>>12985

If we can get thony to use that option for Noonin and it fixes about half the problem. The other half is that there are no options for the other two shitposters short of filtering every anon post ever.

Like I don't think we're gonna be able to have a normal conversation until we can cut out the noise, because when we can't the thread invariably becomes about it.

The Shucc!YoRdlEjxQ6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12988

>>12985
>but, as now i cant entirely do anything about it because it's breaking zero rules.
Mikie, you realize you're like, in charge of the rules right?

The Shucc!YoRdlEjxQ6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12990

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>>12989
>this has to go though staff too
Ok but like, you can initiate that stuff and talk to them (the ones that care at least, however many that is). I'm just awestruck by the fact that you're saying you can't change anything when in fact you are the only person who CAN change anything. It makes me feel like you just don't want to, which I guess is an option but I'd rather you just say "I like things how they are".

!ScyphTlOY6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12992

I still say we get rid of politics and let /ef/ be a fun board where we can spew hate at each other for purely personal reasons.

Trip Touhous 'Nuclear Hell Raven' 'Socialist' Stagemaster Foalins!oImGreatxACountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12993

>>12991

Chewed out by like the two guys baiting anonymously?

You can enforce rules at your discretion. You dont have to crack down on people arguing but noncontributory bait just designed to shit out discussion, especially when it's come from the same parasites we picked up from whatever hole on 4chan for a year and a half now, should be easily eliminated or at least filterable.

The Shucc!YoRdlEjxQ6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12994

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>>12991
Mikie if you are scared that doing things might make people mad, then internet admin is not a job for you. Like, he majority of an admin's job is dealing with people who are mad at them for changing things, ponychan has an entire history of this shit. Hell this is a really easy one since nearly everyone but noonin and maybe faust actually doesn't want pol shit gone, so you'd only have to deal with two of three mad people. The old ponychan staff would've begged for this situation.

The Shucc!YoRdlEjxQ6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12996

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>>12995
Ok but like... have you made an attempt at that? At all?

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12997

>>12996
They're discussing it in the mod chat right now.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 12999

>>12971
Even on 8chan, political discussion is kept to a fair minimum, and 8chan's pretty heavily populated by /pol/tards.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13000

>>12982
I do not consider restricting speech to only things everyone agrees on, of which for some reason literal physical assault of people who you disagree with is on the table and perfectly fine, is "better discourse".
Maybe it's a difference of standards.

Anyway; My solution to all this is to make it so you can filter anonymous users.
Easy enough, I think.

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) ## AdminCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13001

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Fucking again? Really?

!ScyphTlOY6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13002

>>13000
The reason is that occasionally being able to physically get someone to shut the fuck up when you really need them to shut the fuck up is a vital component of free speech.

The fact that it's impossible to do so on the internet is part of why we find ourselves needing some refined rules here.

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13003

>>12998
And?

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13004

>>13002
Physically assaulting people who've not done anything is never okay.
Telling them to shut up is fine, but if I see you attack someone just for what they've said, you know what I'd do?
I'd hit you.
And I'd be right to do it.
I'm not the guy being attacked, and the guy being attacked isn't saying shit I agree with, but assaulting people is not okay. People who would assault others for nothing but their opinions are violent thugs, plain and simple.

The fact that there are people here who want to physically assault others over opinions is a good reason not to have these kinds of rules, you ask me.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13005

>>12994
The old Ponychan staff were a bunch of authoritarian dickbaskets, and why we had a massive split off from Ponychan. Do you not remember that? Do you not remember all the various Pony sites that came up? MLPchan? Efchan?

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13006

!ScyphTlOY6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13007

>>13004
I've heard this all. I just disagree. I think we're better off as a society if speaking like an unreasonable, uncompromising asshole (or nutjob, ideologue, manipulator, liar, what have you) carries a risk of getting hit. Not injured or anything, just enough to get the message across when the bullshitter's ears won't work.

In short, "talk shit get hit" needs to be put into practice more often.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13008

>>13007
I just hope you know I would violently resist such a society that would so readily throw away the rights of man.
If you cannot stand up for people's rights, then you are not a good person.
If you would actively work against people's rights, then you are a tyrant.

"Hit someone talking shit, and I'll shoot you".
How's that?

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13009

>>13007
Incidentally; I do hope you realize that this type of system inevitably falls into complete and utter warfare in the streets, leading to constant gang fighting and bloodshed.
How long do you think it'll be before it all becomes complete and utter chaos?
You really think that a system where roaving gangs of thugs ask your political affiliation, carrying clubs and hammers, as you walk to work is a good thing?
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Trip Touhous 'Nuclear Hell Raven' 'Socialist' Stagemaster Foalins!oImGreatxACountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13010

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Here's more bait for the bait pile.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13011

>>13010
I'll just copy-paste what I said on /ef/;

"He isn't wrong, unfortunately. I prefer using "urban black population", or other such descriptors, myself, as it isn't all black people. Again, the Nigerian immigrants are supposedly quite high up there. And I've personally never seen any problem with rural blacks here in Alabama, though I have seen a lot of issues down in, say, Prichard, or downtown Pensacola."

Toothless Alligator!!Octavia ## ModCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13012

Well discussion amongst the staff has been had and we remain undecided. There is disagreement among the staff about how the situation should be handled. For now the rules will remain unchanged and things will remain as they are until further discussion can be had. If you do not feel you can properly manage yourself and will continue to get upset on the rules-lite /ef/ then you are free to not use the board and instead post on other boards like /oat/, but do remember that politics are prohibited outside of /ef/.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13013

>>13012
Sounds fair to me.

thoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13014

fuck it

!ScyphTlOY6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13015

>>13008
>>13009
You're providing an excellent example of the "manipulator" archetype I mentioned. You're blatantly misrepresenting my position and using the slippery slope fallacy in a way too obvious and exaggerated manner. (Naturally, as you do it near every day on /ef/.)

Now, if this were in person and if it were to continue with you being unable to accept my position for what it actually is*, it would be then that...well, I would leave, because I've never thrown a punch at anyone, but someone more inclined towards that than I, would be correct to take a threatening posture towards you.

*As for what my position is, shooting the attacker when they have no weapon in hand is CLEARLY far out of line, and even in today's world that would not be accepted unless there's a police cover-up. There is no violation of rights. Your right to free speech is not being violated just because you got hit (not injured) while speaking. Not getting hit for being an asshole, is not a right.

AwdriiCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13016

maybe rename it to /chat/ so its allowed to have rules again lmao tbh kek

Trip Touhous 'Nuclear Hell Raven' 'Socialist' Stagemaster Foalins!oImGreatxACountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13017

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>>13012

That's not a solution at all and I'll continue to raise this issue every week until there's some way to have actual political discussion without anonymous bringing up "the negros" every day.

Stop kicking the can down the road. Fix it.

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13018

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>literally doing nothing

AwdriiCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13019

just because u arbitrarily named a board "ef" doesnt mean u cant make it have rules lol

Toothless Alligator!!Octavia ## ModCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13020

>>13017
You're right it isn't a solution, that's why we are going to continue to discuss it as a staff over an extended period of time rather than in a single night with exhausted staff members who may make rash decisions. No changes or actions will be made until we can properly think through and discuss what we believe to be a good solution to the complaints you have raised.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13021

>>13015
Elaborate.
I don't see a misrepresentation, and I don't know what you mean by "slippery slope". Responding to violent aggression is standard. Inevitably, when a side starts losing, they up the aggression level. This is a historic standard.

Your position appears to be "It is okay to violently assault people for their opinions, we should totally have violent streetlights at every protest". Whether or not you would do it is irrelevant, to me. It's a problem that you would support that kind of behavior. You would say it is okay. I mean, how would you feel if a group of nazis started hitting you because they didn't like your political opinions and stances?
If someone more inclined than you were to take a threatening posture to me just because I believe in free speech and rights for all men, black, white, muslim, christian, nazi or communist, I'd naturally take a stance against that guy just the same. After all, he's a violent thug who wants to oppress the rights of others.

For the record; I wouldn't shoot you unless I had legal case for doing so. IE, fear for my life. As is standard when in these situations. The item was more as a reference for that "I would fight on behalf of "nazis" because even nazis have rights". It was an admittedly dramatic way of phrasing it.
Your right to free speech is violated when someone uses physical force to stop you, by the way.
And being hit IS an injury.
Which is why I'd be joining with the nazi to fight back against a violent aggressor who'd violate the rights of others.

Trip Touhous 'Nuclear Hell Raven' 'Socialist' Stagemaster Foalins!oImGreatxACountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13022

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>>13020

Like I said I only intend to raise it periodically. Discuss all you must.

thoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13023

so did tpwpf quit or what

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13024

>>13020
What exactly would you look at doing, anyway?
Banning political threads?
Banning certain political opinions?

I'm not sure what people are even trying to propose here, honestly. Seems they're just all vitriolically angry.

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13025

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>>13023
I'm still here, I just think this is dumb.

Toothless Alligator!!Octavia ## ModCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13026

>>13022
Thank you for your patience and understanding.

>>13019
The rules we instate, if we choose to do so, need to be thought out carefully and cannot simply enacted on a whim. It's important that we as a staff have take the time to discuss it even if some of us think it's dumb.

>>13024
Topics of discussion were:
-board wide anon ID's
-anon ID filtering
-banning of harassment
-banning of bait
-creation of a new board

The opinions on the subjects will be withheld unless the individual staff member chooses to speak their opinion of their own accord.

thoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13027

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NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13028

>>13026
Most of these sound good. Site-wide IDs might be a pain to implement, so an alternative would be to simply require something in the name field.
Don't you already ban harassment?

Also, what constitutes "bait"?

AwdriiCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13029

>>13026
>-creation of a new board
that ones on the bottom of the list as like a throw in idea that didnt really get looked at right?

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13030

>>13028
I think he meant ID's for just the scope of /ef/.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13031

>>13030
Ah, fair enough. Though, I think you might have the same troubles.
>>13029
If a new board's made it has to be JUST for politics.
We do not need three /oat/s.

thoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13032

/trash/ already exists, though.

so does /pol/, and they can just go there.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13033

>>13032
/pone/ also exists. We should all just go there.

thoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13034

>>13033
great idea, you start. and don't come back.

AwdriiCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13035

>>13031
>If a new board's made it has to be JUST for politics.
why not just make /ef/ just for politics tbh? like what else is it for? if they made another just for politics board it'd just be ultra dead /oat/

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13036

>>13035
This is true. Though, I think we're stuck with /ef/ due to Efchan.

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13037

>>13035
>why not just make /ef/ just for politics tbh?

No, you stop right there.

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13038

No politics in pone plz :c

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13039

>>13038
When I say /pone/ I mean the 8chan board, not /pony/.

Does anyone actually watch the show any more, anyway?
I stopped ages ago.

AwdriiCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13040

>>13036
and we're back to my eloquent proposal of "rename it chat lmao"

>>13037
i mean one containment board one normal board what else do you need?

!ScyphTlOY6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13041

>>13021
>I mean, how would you feel if a group of nazis started hitting you because they didn't like your political opinions and stances?
If someone cares enough to speak out, they should be prepared for this.
If my favorite left-leaning public speaker (not that I have one) got a rock thrown at them by a Nazi, I would not be calling for that Nazi's arrest.
>I don't see a misrepresentation, and I don't know what you mean by "slippery slope".
Broken bones and bleeding, vs a black eye. It's such an easy distinction, that escalation to gangs with clubs is impossible.

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13042

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>>13039
I got back into during /mlp/s anniversary stream. it was nice.

Toothless Alligator!!Octavia ## ModCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13044

>>13028
>Site-wide IDs might be a pain to implement, so an alternative would be to simply require something in the name field.
We would only ever implement board-wide IDs, no site-wide ones.

>Don't you already ban harassment?

Only rules on /ef/ are those stated in the sticky. Meaning harassment is technically allowed, which is why no one has been banned yet.

>Also, what constitutes "bait"?

That is the biggest roadblock we run into as a staff as that is largely up to personal interpretation and is inherently the core of the problem.

>>13029
The topic was brought up simply because it was a solution, if we're looking into this problem seriously then all choices and possible solutions need to be accounted for.

>>13021
>>13041
If the two of you would like to continue this discussion please bring it over to /ef/. While it remains partially on topic, the further your discussion continues the more it seems to stray from the topic at hand.

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13045

>>13040
My serials and exchanges, for one.

AwdriiCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13046

>>13043
>>13045
so i guess like does anyone actually give a shit anymore if serials and porn get moved to /oat/?

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13047

>>13040
Well, a politics only /ef/, anyway.
Real talk, though, I love /oat/ and it's my mother board, but I don't really get its point any more. It seems to be just /chat/.
>>13041
That's interesting. I guess I can't fault you for that, even if I do find the idea incredibly dangerous. At least you're consistent with it.

Losers tend to not want to lose. Arms races are standard. I think clubs'd be a likely bringup as a result of this type of jazz. Especially given the history of these types of things. You'd need to expend a lot of effort into stopping stuff from ever escalating, and even then, you're inevitably not going to be able to stop all cases. If it happens between a large crowd, and the police can't get there, they're kind of up shit creek.

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13048

>>13046
/oat/ is le sfw

thoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13049

going through all this bullshit for some anonymous /pol/ rejects and graff. amazing. peak end-phase ponychan.

AwdriiCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13050

>>13048
but does anyone care? besides like ember?

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13051

>>13044
Ah, fair enough. My bad. Mostly brought it up because a bit ago, I was getting yelled at for that as my political position. Apparently it made me a 'nazi" who needed to be banned.

Board wide IDs'd have the same problem, right?
I thought harassment was only continued unwanted contact, and that was why. IE, someone following another user to every odd thread telling him he hopes they kill themselves. What do you guys count as harassment, in that case?

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13052

>>13049
Hey, if I was going to be here at the start, I might as well be here at the end.
>>13048
I kind of miss the old days when that was something of a challenge.
Like, we used to have a lot of posts what served nothing more than to get as close to the porn line as was possible.
Those were nice days. Everyone was chill, and the board moved fairly quickly.

Can't remember if that was MLPchan or Ponychan, though.

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13053

>>13050
Make a thread I guess.

Toothless Alligator!!Octavia ## ModCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13054

>>13050
Well I care, but we also have the option to just not have mature content enabled, so that is something that could possibly be discussed.

>>13051
>Board wide IDs'd have the same problem, right?
Difficulty of execution is not really part of the discussion as I'm confident in our devs to be able to handle whatever is thrown at them, if it does however come to a point of not being possible, a decision like that would be revised.

>I thought harassment was only continued unwanted contact, and that was why. IE, someone following another user to every odd thread telling him he hopes they kill themselves. What do you guys count as harassment, in that case?

The exact rules of harassment haven't really been defined and we handle things case by case.

>>13049
We are technically going through this for the users with complaints as no one has broken any rules.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13055

>>13054
Well, I was thinking more in terms of, if that doesn't work, just turn off anonymous posting. I don't think we have that many anonymous posters who'd care that much, and you'd still be able to change your name willy-nilly.

!ScyphTlOY6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13056

Elicoor13Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13057

i like how a site about cartoon horses got so fucking political that the shitposters are using shit like "censoring my opinions" arguments and "witch-hunt" slippery slope fallacies to keep shitting up the place.

!ScyphTlOY6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13058

>>13057
Other way around, I think. It got so opinion-censor-y that they realized they can apply that defense to politics.
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NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13059

>>13057
Considering they went after me pretty heavy, I think "censoring my opinions" is pretty damn accurate.

Amy_of_Shadows[Shitty Tablet for mobility]!LAINj6mQVkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13060

>>13059
Racism isn't an opinion

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13061

>>13060
I'm not a racist, nor have I said anything that is racist to my knowledge.

Amy_of_Shadows[Shitty Tablet for mobility]!LAINj6mQVkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13062

>>13061
Of course not
you have the BEST WORDS
HUUUUUUGE words
So much winning I'm getting tired of it

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13063

>>13062
What are you on about, mate?

Amy_of_Shadows[Shitty Tablet for mobility]!LAINj6mQVkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13064

>>13063
Toleration of people like you is what leads to overcompensation and things like civil wars and modern communism.

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>>13064
???

Is this bait?
Am I being bated?
Are you on some kind of drug?

Amy_of_Shadows[Shitty Tablet for mobility]!LAINj6mQVkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13066

>>13065
It's called having a conscience, you cold-blooded golem.

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>>13064
I mean, to be fair, toleration of people like me probably would lead to civil wars, provided a corrupt government tried to pull some shit. So that might be accurate. Still seems to come out of left field, though.
>>13066
There's nothing wrong with having cold blood. Lizards are qts.

Amy_of_Shadows[Shitty Tablet for mobility]!LAINj6mQVkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13068

>>13067
Scalies would hate you if they existed, tbh.
Your lack of empathy would knock them unconscious from lack of heat.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13069

>>13068
I hope not. I really like me a qt dragonlady.

Elaborate. What lack of empathy? I've always felt like I have quite a huge lot of the thing. I just consider freedom to be a higher priority than most other things. And I don't really care about "feelings", much I guess.

Amy_of_Shadows[Shitty Tablet for mobility]!LAINj6mQVkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13070

>>13069
>What lack of empathy?

>And I don't really care about "feelings", much I guess.

You are either legitimately trolling this entire site or have a serious disconnect going on in your head

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>>13070
Elaborate, though, my dude.
I don't really care about people who are upset over words. But I do have empathy for those stuck in shitty situations and climates, physically injured, or otherwise having a bad time of things.
People whos feelings are hurt over some words on the internet, my response would be to toughen up.

Amy_of_Shadows[Shitty Tablet for mobility]!LAINj6mQVkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13072

>>13071
Literally go jump off a cliff
the world would be better for it

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>>13072
And I'm the one who lacks empathy. Wew, bro.

Amy_of_Shadows[Shitty Tablet for mobility]!LAINj6mQVkCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13074

>>13073
Unless you have a legitimate mental defect you are a cancer on this website and the world

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>>13074
And why's that? What exactly've I done that's spurned forth your hatred?

Elicoor13Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13076

>>13058
yeah, fair. i still think it's hilarious that they can actually make the mods just sit on their hands tho. like...it's not a politics thing, it's a "ruining the site's atmosphere" thing.
>>13059
you've been shitting up /chat/ since it stopped being /anon/(wait, who am i kidding?), you literally cannot talk. do you realize that this has more to do with people being so genuinely sick of your shit and the mods tacitly approving of your behavior than your positions? sure, your beliefs are part of that, but you and maybe one or two other users have been actively making a segment of the site a dumpster fire and turning all actual political discussions into "let me just spew my shit everywhere because hahaha, i'm just so much more important than any actual discussion".

you actually made me type it out because i cannot believe that you actually think you've done nothing wrong, but you obviously need someone to spell out why some people are fed up with you shitting on this site for as long as you have(because you and the other guys' concentrated shitposting all over /chat/ is exactly what i'm talking about, don't you fucking dare try to shift the narrative and make this about something else to continue shitposting).

i like your "oh i'm so innocent" post at amy tho, like you don't fucking know what you're doing. you're the equivalent of that one asshole who come into a coffee shop day in and day out with his one or two buddies to loudly rant about politics, and the owners are too scared to ask for you to stop coming in because then they'd have to deal with the "but muh free speech" arguments while not realizing that their business is hurting because you keep doing your bullshit. you have to be aware that you're killing this site, or just making it a shell to invite your knuckle-dragging 8chan buddies to. back into the filter with you, and i'm actually really fucking annoyed that i'd have to finally filter someone because the system works for shit.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13077

>>13076
See, this is the shit I'm talking about.
No examples, no substance, just some random rant that I have no fucking clue what I am supposed to be doing what triggers you so.
This right here is exactly why I'm left not giving a flying fuck, because NONE OF YOU WILL TELL ME THE PROBLEM
It's just 'HE HAS POLITICAL OPINIONS WE DONT LIKE', near as I can tell, because that's all I've done.

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>>13077
The problem is you are impossible to talk to because you hold onto your principles so hard that they overtake any attempt at proper discourse. There is never a moment that i talk to you where I think you'll maybe give what im saying a shot. Also you say a ton of bigoted bullshit, but honestly that's not even the main point, you're just awful at arguing and an impossible person to talk to because you're so thick headed.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13079

>>13078
The only area I ever have that really happen is with the whole 'IT IS OKAY TO OPPRESS PEOPLE I DISAGREE WITH' shit. Though I might add, even there, it's actually more about the consistency of the thing. I ended up on fairly neutral terms with Scyph, a bit ago, with his more general "it shouldn't be an issue for anyone to get punched unseriously" lot, because he was consistent with it. He said it would be okay if someone he politically agreed with got hit, too.
At that point, it isn't the principles I have an issue with, so much, since the principles are even and universal. They apply to everyone. So then we had a nice simple conversation about the practicality of it, and whether or not it'd lead to anything worse, as it were.
What I'm getting at here is, you're confusing ''having'' principles, with ''not'' having principles. Yeah, I get uppity at people who do not have principles, who do not apply a standard to everyone, but would rather run around with special treatment based on arbitrary nonsense. That's because they aren't consistent. You can't really have a position without consistency. It'd be like saying 2 + 2 = 4, but also 2 - 2 = 50. Doesn't work. It isn't consistent.

What have I ever said that was bigoted?

The Shucc!YoRdlEjxQ6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13080

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>>13079

>WHY WON'T PEOPLE TELL ME WHAT IM DOING WRONG???

>ok here's what you're doing wrong
>no actually im not doing those things *defends self for two paragraphs*
Kinda my point, you won't take in anything anyone tells you or even give it a chance, so idk, I'm done here. I tried.
>what have i said that was bigoted?
lol

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13081

>>13080
And this was my point in the whole "WHY WON'T PEOPLE TELL ME WHAT I'M DOING WRONG" lot.
Because you guys say a lot of shit.
But it isn't true.
I know it's not true.
But you keep saying it anyway.
And every time I try to explain to you why you're full of it, when you claim I'm doing something I'm not, you just run straight to insults and act like I just don't get it.
I'm left with only one possible interpretation, here: You just don't want anyone around who'd disagree with you. That seems to be what the evidence here suggests.

So that's nothing then? Good to know you're talking out of your ass.

The Shucc!YoRdlEjxQ6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13082

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>>13081
>you guys say a lot of shit but it isn't true
Alright whatever man, I tried. I'll go back to not discussing things with you, it's not worth it.

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>>13082
Sure, man, whatever. It's clear you don't give enough of a fuck to defend your position, so it ain't like I'm left with any way to care.

This whole deal is just depressing as all hell.
People've fallen so far as to advocate someone be banned from a site, without ever even having the balls to actually explain their reasoning.

The Shucc!YoRdlEjxQ6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13084

>>13083
>It's clear you don't give enough of a fuck to defend your position
>without ever even having the balls to actually explain their reasoning.
That would require a 3 hour argument that would go nowhere. This has been proven time and time again. No thanks fam.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13085

>>13084
So, what, I should just accept your lies as fact?
I should just be okay with your bullshit claims about something I don't do?
We should just ban me for your take, that you refuse to defend?

Fuck off, mate.

algolCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13086

>>13079
As far as bigoted stuff, mainly all I can thin of stuff like sometimes using racially charged 4chan slang like basketball-americans or say, "If someone is from an urban black culture, it's not racist to discriminate against them." We had that argument earlier and I'm not wanting to get into it, but at a glance if you look at it as hot takes, it's looks like a thin justification to act racist while claiming not to be racist.

That and likely since you often post anon and there are a few alt-rght anons, gets it hairier and confusing. As far as other bigotry, people think you literally want to either nuke city dwellers or make their vote count for 100th of your vote.

As far as argumentation style goes, it's not so much that you don't compromise but that you tend to hold people to your own meta-ethics. Not necessarily thinking they have the same values as you but thinking they should construct their ethics in the same way. What I'm saying is that sometime's you're autistic with the principle thing to where it's like "You can't support both seat belt laws and liberty! You want all mankind to be slaves in comfort to the tyranny of seat belts and speed limits! You lie when you say you believe in freedom if you also support stripping people of their rights to go 100 through a residential!" I know the example I gave is pure hyperbole and ridiculous, just to show that sometimes you go full absolutist with values and then character attack people for not also being absolutists on values.

So it ends up at an impasse if it's not so much what the values are but how the values are used in the ethic system.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13087

>>13086
I don't think I have ever said either of those things. Certainly not basketball Americans, though I may've said some negative things on urban black culture, which I don't tie to race since outside of those areas you find blacks are very different.
I'm not convinced "hot takes" ought to be considered "bigotry". Especially since the only lot I'll take a direct stance against in such a way is Islam, but that's an ideology, not a race. It's not something you are necessarily born in to. Even there, I'm of the opinion they just need a reformation, as Christianity had.

I do not post as anon any more. Though, given the above lot, I wouldn't be surprised if some things other anons had said got credited to me.
I do not want to nuke city dwellers, or take their vote. I do want as local votes and governments as possible, and I really hate cityfags, but my principles would never allow me to hurt them. I won't deny I have a bias against them, though. That's a personal failing no doubt, though I do feel I have my reasons for it.

I can see what you mean here. It's more due to how principles work, but I'd guess if someone didn't really understand the lot, they could see it this way. Your example is really good for this, actually, if we replace liberty with self ownership. Not having a seatbelt on hurts only you, and so is your responsibly. If a person owns themselves, they are the party responsible for the own care. Thus, supporting seatbelt laws and the principle of self ownership would conflict.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13088

>>13086
The last thing's probably the biggest issue, ultimately. My stance is that you either apply your principles universally, and stand by them no matter what, or you don't really have them.
Ultimately principles, even ones of a "greater good" shouldn't need to conflict themselves. As, a greater good should mean that you are always working towards that goal, choosing what benefits the most, for instance.

Problem is, I don't think most folk truly look at their principles. It's fine to have principles that supercede one another, but it seems like most people are willing to just toss them aside for convenience and emotion.
This is where I have huge issue. Because if you don't stand by your principles, you didn't really have them. Maybe you thought you did, but if that were true, you wouldn't have the issue. They're not true principle, at that point.

algolCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13089

>>13087
Ah I could have sworn you used some 4chan slang like that at some point. I'm just trying to think of what the issue is and explain it to the best of my ability. I guess maybe you get all mad and personal attack folks sometimes as enemies of liberty who want to enslave everyone who lack any sort of principles but it's a bit hypocritical when half the posters on /ef/ don't even need to get worked up to that level, they just burst into a thread, their first post in, going full capslock mode with 20 angry posts in the span of 3 minutes.
>>13088
Hard kantian ethics can get into weird places like that. Things like the seat belt example, hard kantian would say that either you don't want seat belt laws or you're equivalent to hitler on the authoritarian scale if you think seat belt laws should exist. It provides no room for the idea of values applied "in moderation" or "at reasonable limits". Like most people who support seat belt laws in america want a modicum of liberty and whatnot.
Or a classic example would be "liberty, fraternity and equality" You can have one in an extreme amount, two in a large amount of all three but in incredibly mediocre amounts. Most folks want two of those rather than just one.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13090

>>13089
I'll definitely admit I get worked up early quickly. But, yeah, seems like a lot of folk on /ef/ do. It is something I'm trying to work on, at least. Big thing is I really need to stop applying other similar arguments of opposition on someone, like with the lot between Scypth a but ago. I assumed he'd only be okay with it against certain people, and that sent me in to a bit of a tirade.

Not necessity. Or at least, that's not my issue. My issue is that you can do that, proved you have a principle at a higher level. Lets say, life itself.
Then you can have principles of a standard, without issue. The problem is more that if you do not set the principle as a flat standard. It's why principles have to be set, because they're your basis for your ideal scenario. They're what you use to determine what is "good".

algolCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13091

>>13090
Yeah, with the "You get mad and insulting." it feels hypocritical to single that out when you look at everyone else on /ef/ as well.
The whole "It's 3 hours past when you should have gone to bed. You have work tomorrow. You're currently writing a thesis where your thesis is how shit a person this other guy is. The thread is 200 posts long now." Literally anyone who talks politics a lot on the internet has ended up there at some point.

As far as politics go, I think it's more important to look at what someone vision of a utopian society is since that's what generally guides their values. Any viable political ideology historically requires some sort of vision of a better world.
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!ScyphTlOY6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13093

>>13092
*hugs*

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>>13092
Oh boy, a rule built on a vague concept nobody even has a good definition for, let alone a reasonable standard of what constitutes bait and is a bannable offense. This is totally not going to be a massive shitshow.

NoonimCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13096

>>13095
Well, given what people are complaining about, and the thread that triggered all this not to mention was sent to /trash/, I'm afraid I don't have that much faith. Especially since I doubt you're the only one invoked with taking jazz down.

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>>13097
I don't really see how you could pull /pol/ on it myself. The most 'bait' stuff was basically Anonthony and others running in to start screaming at anyone who dared think that having a tight border is a good thing.

Trump's supposed "shithole" comment just made this type of thing something people payed attention to. Something in current news. Of course people're going to want to talk about it. The thing that seemed to stop discussion was just the massive amount of vitriolic hatred a fair number of posters had for anyone daring to bring it up.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqICountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13099

>>13098
It can be brought up and talked about. But that OP was intended bait. If you bring it up in a more constructive way then I see no issues.

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>>13099
Okay, see, this is literally what I was talking about, Mikie.

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>>13098
>boarder

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqICountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13102

>>13100
...okay?

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>>13101
AAAAAAAAAAAA
>>13102
Basically, I'm saying you're taking something as bait that I do not believe should be taken as bait.
If that's bait, then half the posts on /ef/ are bait.
The OP was frankly written quite tame. The only "offensive" line possibly taken was the "shitholes" bit, which as mentioned has become a point due to Trump's alleged comments.
Otherwise, the thread's damn well straight forward. It doesn't call out any specific group of people, it isn't particularly sided, it's just a simple, flat statement, that until the thread I had thought nobody could have an issue with.

Look, flatly put, if this is what constitutes bait, you're better off just flatly banning politics.
I wouldn't even complain, because at least that's specific, and not just some loose personal-opinion type shit that can vary from person to person, and is basically just a way for people to remove whatever they feel like, rather than to remove a specific problem.

On a partially related note: If this is the standard /ef/'s going to be held to, there's no point for /oat/ to exist.
Or alternatively, /ef/, but that's more debatable thanks to the SFW jazz.

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>>13104
Sure, but I do wish you'd at least go the route of clear set rules, rather than personal feeling junk that's going to doubtlessly cause all sorts of problems.
This isn't the first time these types of things have happened, you know. It never ends well.

I know you're trying to do the right thing, here, but that doesn't mean you're doing the right thing.
You don't have any kind of set standard for what "bait" is, and the only thread we've got so far to go by was definitely not bait by any standard I've ever seen.

This type of shit right here is WHY it's so important to have clear cut rules. To actually establish what is and is not allowed. If I were the OP of that thread, my thoughts wouldn't be "Yeah, I deserved that ban, I was clearly baiting". My thoughts would be "Oh, the mods here are clearly biased against right wing positions".
And that's when you start bleeding posters real quick. Nobody likes to be unjustly attacked, especially by authority.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13106

>>13105
LE HURRRR DURRRRRR EVERY RULE HAS TO BE SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED OTHERWISE ITS VAGUE AND LEFT TO MODERATOR DISCRETION

le fuck off to /pol/ for your politics fix, graff

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>>13106
It's always ultimately up to moderator discretion, but you do need the thing to actually be defined well enough to know what you did wrong.
Anything could be classified as bait. Like we've seen with that thread. /ef/ is supposed to be where we talk about politics, isn't it? That thread was built with a very simple, tame political discussion OP.
I do not see how you could frame it as "bait". Not without being able to frame literally anything as bait, anyway.

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>>13108
Is this Anonthony? Why're you bothering to go anon for this? Seems like a silly waste of time.

But, yeah, thanks for posting the full OP, there. It's what I mean.
No specific group. It ain't even just people from shithole countries. It's people from shithole countries with no employable skills.

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>>13110
Great conversation as always.
There's no mental gymnastics here. Though, you did do well to prove my point.

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>>13087
>I don't think I have ever said either of those things. Certainly not basketball Americans
Huh, I could have sworn that was you. Although looking at that "shitholes" thread I can easily see it having been that anon instead.

!!Babs Seed ## ModCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 13113

>>13107
A good example of a low quality troll would be someone with a post history with no sense of decency, or someone whose posts are so atrocious that they contradict their own logic they pass off as "political views". We would probably deem the latter bannable because that's the line crossed where the poster is abusing the system to gage a reaction and disrupt a perfectly functional thread. Your posts don't seem to fall in either category. A few other anons could easily be considered bannable by the new rule revision, and it appears that many users must have thought one of those anons was you.

No one wants to partake in a discussion where you have to constantly worry about which users are sincere, and which ones aren't. However I do believe that this ordeal was blown way out of proportion. Both staff and users alike have to recognize the shortcomings of political threads on a site that prioritizes a shitpost as much as a well-thought-out argument. The updated sticky in >>>/ef/24024 doesn't use the same language mentioned in >>13092 but it attempts to counteract that problem by rationing out accountability. I think the only discipline that can close the gap now is self-moderation. I can only assume that users who filtered you in that health care thread had their filters disabled, although there's nothing stopping you from using a filter on Anonthony or Trip either. You three seem totally incompatible with each other.

I'm hoping that this change keeps all the drama de-escalated because our next resort would have to be to board-scope all of /ef/'s IDs and have filters for those too. I don't want that to happen.

By the way, Mikie promoted me to a moderator position to reflect my involvement in staff decisions lately.

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>>13113
I don't filter people. Why would I? The issue's only ever in political threads, and then it's only around words. My biggest complaint between the two would be that they engage me at times, then seem to stop in the middle of arguments because they can't actually back up their positions. And that's something filtering wouldn't solve.
Besides, Thony apparently hasn't much an issue going anon to rant anyway.

If it's only going to be used against users what continually flip their position, that's one thing, though I do believe you would be better served doing what Chrow does, and simply pointing them out. My problem here is more the deleted thread what's triggered this whole lot, and seems to be the primary example of a 'bait' thread to a lot of people.

I have no idea who you are.

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>>13092
Thank You.

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>>13114
That final comment wasn't actually meant to be directed to you specifically. I just know someone was going to question my tag being changed.

This was unfortunately a problem on /oat/ back before we replaced /anon/ and /gala/ with /chat/. The politics is fine; the "/pol/-tier" threads weren't. Unfortunately the latter was what showed up on /ef/. Drawing more lines to enforce the rules helped the situation, although I wish more people would just learn to ignore a post.

Really, we're going after trolls first and foremost.

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>>13116
I remember seeing threads that popped up on /oat/ from time to time, however, usually it struck me as that the issue was more politics didn't belong on /oat/.
In the case of this one, the OP is far too tame to really be read as "bait" to me.

While I'm sure you intend to go after "trolls", my issue is that I do not think such an item is as clear cut as is assumed.

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>>13117
I should add; This is the first thread of this type in ages, least from what I'm seeing. /ef/'s not exactly got any kind of problem with these supposed threads.
It would appear to only be one, of which'd be easily hidden and no longer a problem through people just simply clicking the [-] button.

Does anyone have any other examples of this as some kind of prevalent problem? I just double-checked through /ef/'s catelogue, and the only thing I saw that I could see anyone getting uppity about was the DPRK thread, which got only a handful of posts before it fell off the lot. And that's only really worthwhile, I feel like due to the "Regardless of it's abuses of human rights, it's horrific concentration camps and it's disregard for basic international laws;" lot.

Perhaps this was a problem a while back, but it does not appear to be a problem currently. Besides that, the problem prior seemed to just be a matter of moving the threads to their applicable board.

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>>13117
It was from when /anon/ was still around, at a time where dragging the threads off of /oat/ wasn't a feasible solution because there was no place to take them.
>>13118
And yes, there were plenty of threads that were either bait from the start, or were derailed by a troll, some of which are /trashed/ now. It's pissed off far too many users for us to leave it be.

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>>13121
What, back when we were still MLPchan? Otherwise, I think they always went to /chat/, didn't they?

Do you have any examples that were on /ef/?
I have not seen any, nor can I find any in the catalog.
The only example thus far people're pointing to is the immigration lot, which as mentioned, I don't see as particular /pol/ tier bait.
Derailments ought to be dealt with by removal of the derailment, not the destruction of the thread. Otherwise, the derailment didn't actually damage anything. The thread is to be executed either way.
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>>13123
That's what I was meaning. Otherwise, I'm fairly sure there was always a "place to take them".

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>>13125
I rather whole-heartedly resent that claim. I remind you, not a week ago, several posters came calling for my banning as a supposed /pol/ nazi crypto-fascist.
If you're going to go by their evident 'detection', I suppose everything I post'll be banned, too.

https://www.ponychan.net/site/res/12728.html
https://www.ponychan.net/site/res/12730.html

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>>13127
Then I am sure you understand why I'm not about to accept their supposed detection of "/pol/ bait", especially when your only example thus far is not something that I can see reasonably classified as bait.

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>>13124
>Otherwise, I'm fairly sure there was always a "place to take them".
Not on merged Ponychan before /chat/ existed. We had to jam them in a serial because it was too easy for people to make inflammatory threads with an OP implying that they were inviting conversation. Both TOPF and Pipes were notorious for that.
Surprisingly MLPchan didn't have a problem with /pol/ tier threads.

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>>13130
Yeah that's how they get away with it. They aren't stupid. They know not to make an OP so obviously bait so that they can attract users first.

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>>13129
I don't know about that. MLPchan's /oat/ was rather full of political threads, and there were at least two posters that were full on nutters.

>>13130

Then at least have the courtesy to provide examples of that poster's conduct that was, as implied by >>13113 , had contradicted his own position and was just after a rise.

Because otherwise, I'm left seeing an OP talking in very tame, plain terms about immigration, with the only noteworthy aspect being a term that has been massively popularized due to recent alleged claims of statements from Trump.

You may well post on /pol/ occasionally, but that does not make this bait. This would be laughably tame by /pol/ standards. This is literally nothing, mate. It's an incredibly basic thread. Fuck, it's not even a partisan issue. It's not even one that, at least prior to Trump, has drummed up much controversy.
It was the standard for ages now not to bring in immigrants of poor quality. Every president for ages has sought to bring in high-standard people, not bottom-bin types with no skills.

Mikie, it wasn't bait.
Or if it was bait, you're going to ban every remotely rightwing position.
Please, either get some damn definitions set up for this stuff, or just outright ban politics.
This kind of wishy-washy 'ban what i feel like' shit kills communities. Hell, I'll even say it's what caused the initial split into MLPchan.

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>>13131
If you could at least post some clear shit what shows this was the intent, I could understand.
But this statement, right here, more than anything else, proves my fucking point.

This right here is EXACTLY what I am talking about.
This is the attitude.
This is why it is a problem
This is why I am so vehemently opposed to this shit.

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>>13134
Again, see
https://www.ponychan.net/site/res/12730.html
https://www.ponychan.net/site/res/12728.html

If that is genuinely your position, why didn't you ban me?

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>>13132
>at least have the courtesy to provide examples of that poster's conduct that was, as implied by >>13113 , had contradicted his own position and was just after a rise.

That was an example of a troll. I don't have one to share you on /ef/ but I know of some examples of such on /oat/ from Ponychan and /oat/ MLPchan.

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>>13134
Also: "Slide" threads are just /pol/ tier paranoia nonsense. Seriously, they're complaining about new threads being made to, supposedly kick off old ones.
And what the hell does that matter on a site as dead as ours, anyway?
I mean, we've got threads that've been here for ages.
>>13136
In other words, you do not have any case for the primary example being used as a current standard for "bait threads" which are now being banned on /ef/

Fucking amazing. 10/10 administrational work, here.

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>>13138
Nobody cares fuckwad, just take your political bullshit to /pol/

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>>13138
Okay I can see how you drove everyone nuts. I'm done with this conversation. You're being impossible to deal with.


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