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tense!q6YrzPVCcsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11790

Discussion thread for ponychan's workflow.

algolCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11792

Can anyone clue me in on how quick the staff has been for relabeling stuff, updating contact info or updating the rules page? I remember a lot of drama back in the day with stuff like the actual rules on lewds in /oat/ being in a pastebin that you have to ask a mod to see rather than anywhere on the site. Then the mods telling everyone the rules page can't be changed.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11793

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>>11790
Step 1: Do nothing.
Step 2-???: Still do nothing.
Step ???+1: Suddenly do something.
Step ???+2: ???
Step ???+???+1: Defend the doening of things.
Step ???²:???

>>11792
Let's just say that mods have been hired and gone missing before they were even added to the contact list. If that says more about those mods or update frequencies I'm not sure.

tense!q6YrzPVCcsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11801

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Guys can you make your own threads for general queries about the site or your sweet ass memes?

What happened last night was incredibly poor practice and, for the sake of anyone who uses this site, I'm trying to make sure better work is done next time.

Starshine!Laura/wmXMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11802

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According to Zeke, the reason last night's maintenance took so long was because the server was installing upgrades.

Excerpt from the apt output (hidden for length):
Unpacking libxcb-shm0:amd64 (1.11.1-1ubuntu1) over (1.10-2ubuntu1) ...
Selecting previously unselected package libxcb-xfixes0:amd64.
Preparing to unpack .../libxcb-xfixes0_1.11.1-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking libxcb-xfixes0:amd64 (1.11.1-1ubuntu1) ...
Selecting previously unselected package libavdevice-ffmpeg56:amd64.
Preparing to unpack .../libavdevice-ffmpeg56_7%3a2.8.11-0ubuntu0.16.04.1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking libavdevice-ffmpeg56:amd64 (7:2.8.11-0ubuntu0.16.04.1) ...
Selecting previously unselected package libvdpau1:amd64.
Preparing to unpack .../libvdpau1_1.1.1-3ubuntu1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking libvdpau1:amd64 (1.1.1-3ubuntu1) ...
Selecting previously unselected package ffmpeg.
Preparing to unpack .../ffmpeg_7%3a2.8.11-0ubuntu0.16.04.1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking ffmpeg (7:2.8.11-0ubuntu0.16.04.1) ...
Preparing to unpack .../fonts-ubuntu-font-family-console_1%3a0.83-0ubuntu2_all.deb ...
Unpacking fonts-ubuntu-font-family-console (1:0.83-0ubuntu2) over (0.80-0ubuntu6) ...
Preparing to unpack .../gcc-4.9-base_4.9.3-13ubuntu2_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking gcc-4.9-base:amd64 (4.9.3-13ubuntu2) over (4.9.3-0ubuntu4) ...
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Unpacking libavahi-client3:amd64 (0.6.32~rc+dfsg-1ubuntu2) over (0.6.31-4ubuntu1.1) ...
Preparing to unpack .../libcups2_2.1.3-4_amd64.deb ...


I've got a few questions, though...why does Ponychan's server need things like ffmpeg and gcc? Does Tinyboard run on C? Are webms re-encoded serverside?

I know very little about webhosting, so maybe I'm mistaken, but these aren't things I would expect to see on a server hosting an Indonesian miniature horse anime imageboard. Perhaps they come with Ubuntu (though I think I recall having to install ffmpeg in particular myself), but wouldn't it be good practice to uninstall packages you don't need on a web server?

🅱oseph 🅱oestar!ScyphTlOY6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11803

>>11802
>Are webms re-encoded serverside?
Thumbnails probably.

tense!q6YrzPVCcsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11804

>>11802
This is still sidestepping the issue. I'm not complaining that the site was down. I'm pointing out that dangerously bad methodology was used last night.

I'm certain that tools exist to be able to run this in a virtual machine beforehand. Do you not have those tools? Do you need instructions on how to use them? Are the site's unittests still passing after these package upgrades were installed?

This isn't your home PC we're dealing with -- upgrading packages and distros to new revisions isn't something that you just do on the live server because one was worried about the "90 security updates" message that popped up. Upgrading from PHP5 to 7 was not a security update, and you have *literally* no idea if you introduced security issues by performing any of your updates.
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Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11805

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All of your points (ad hominem or no) have either been refuted or acknowledged. If you aren't going to bring anything new to the conversation, I'm just going to have to assume that you continuously say the same thing simply because you like to read your own writing.

In short, bugger off.

tense!q6YrzPVCcsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11806

>>11805
>Regardless of what we discover, we understand and truly believe that everyone did the best job they could, given what they knew at the time, their skills and abilities, the resources available, and the situation at hand.

>At the end of a project everyone knows so much more. Naturally we will discover decisions and actions we wish we could do over. This is wisdom to be celebrated, not judgement used to embarrass.


This is how professionals learn from their mistakes to develop better software solutions. Please don't view it as a personal attack that I want you to acknowledge mistakes were made. Being able to define exactly what went wrong is how you manage to do better next time.

Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11807

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>>11806
Did I not already say that I learned from and acknowledged my mistakes? I wouldn't view it as a personal attack were you not directly insulting me.
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tense!q6YrzPVCcsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11808

>>11807
I'm directly pointing out the bad methodology that was used to update this website last night. You should not feel like that is a extension of you, personally.

Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11809

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>>11808
Yes, I see that, and you continuing to repeat yourself doesn't help.

tense!q6YrzPVCcsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11810

>>11809
What exactly do you think would help?

tense!q6YrzPVCcsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11811

You posted a laughing reaction gif when I suggested using the development tools that were in the site's git repo. What about the tools warrants that kind of response? What issues are you having with them? Can I help you work through those issues?

Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11812

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>>11810
Well not repeating yourself for one. Thanks to that ongoing conversation, I ended up waking up at 11:30. And I have things to do today.

tense!q6YrzPVCcsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11813

>>11802
>why does Ponychan's server need things like ffmpeg

It's probably used for every kind of image resizing.

>and gcc


It's used to build many of the packages installed by apt.

>wouldn't it be good practice to uninstall packages you don't need on a web server


Only if it is otherwise hindering the operation of the server. Uninstalling something simply because you don't know what it does is poor practice.

>>11812
If it seems like I'm repeating myself, it's because you're not responding to the specifics I'm telling you or asking you about. Saying you acknowledge that things were done incorrectly without understanding the technical reasons why they went wrong doesn't accomplish anything.

I'm here to help you, but only if you can show some willingness to talk about the specifics of what happened and work toward a well defined process you can follow next time.

tense!q6YrzPVCcsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11831

So realtalk did you uninstall ffmpeg?

tense!q6YrzPVCcsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11837

It looks like webms are broken in a different way.

Are you still developing on the live server?

Do you understand that there's a difference between acknowledging a mistake and learning from it?

tense!q6YrzPVCcsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11951

Does anyone actually give a shit and want to talk about this, or is the site staff just abandoning ship rather than own up to their faults?

tense!q6YrzPVCcsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11955

>>11953
Maybe answering literally any of my questions would be a good start:

>You posted a laughing reaction gif when I suggested using the development tools that were in the site's git repo. What about the tools warrants that kind of response? What issues are you having with them? Can I help you work through those issues?


He's continuing to do the same things that he's been criticized for and ignored offers to help him. If that's his best, it's not good enough, and you need to find someone to replace/supplement him.
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tense!q6YrzPVCcsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11958

>>11957
You're the administrator of a website. While it's admirable that you acknowledge it's not something you're skilled at, the keys to your kingdom are in the hands of someone who isn't behaving in such a way.
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tense!q6YrzPVCcsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11960

>>11959
I don't think you understand the significance of how bad Zeke's practices are. Had I mistakenly done what he did, the site would have gone down until I could ensure that everything was functioning correctly and securely.

It's okay to make mistakes, but the aggressive ignorance you're dealing with here is dangerous. For the sake of your users, please, find someone who can assess and correct the damage done, immediately.

tense!q6YrzPVCcsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11961

Lisbon!StarMyMnaoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11969

I have provided tense's Discord information to Mikie. Praise be to Lisbon!

Starshine!Laura/wmXMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11970

>>11969
What about the parsnip carnival?

!RISkQqf4EMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11976

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>>11969
PRAISE


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