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Lets Explode, Kids !tcSassyDEQCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11367

So since this seems to be such a large "issue" recently, lets talk about it.

Everyone has an issue with Astra. This really isn't something that can be hidden. One look at any front page and it seems there's quite a few people who dislike him.

I'm here to take a look at why. Specifically, him in his admin position.

This is not a thread about discussing Astra being removed from his position, nor whether or not he deserves his position. This thread will not contain any blatant attacks on anyone Though this should really be a no brainer seeing as this is against the rules!. Any sarcastic or insulting responses will not be responded to. I'd like to ask that anyone who has no interest in having a mature conversation would please not post.


Lets begin.


From what has become painfully obvious, the biggest issue surrounding Ponychans newest mistake seems to be that he doesn't do anything, and whenever he does, he's just taking credit for other peoples work. This is something I'm going to attempt to debunk right now.

As some of you already know, I have 3 prime examples to prove this to be false, and those are as follows:

1: The Ponychan rule changes.

2: Distinctions between /oat/ and /chat/.

3: Redundancy between the Discord and the site.

These are the 3 largest issues the site has faced since his promotion to admin. Any other issues have been coding related, being things he cannot take care of himself. Lets tackle these issues in particular.

Issue #1: The rule changes, posted here. https://www.ponychan.net/site/res/9154.html

Funnily enough, noone actually brought up any issues in this thread. It wasn't until in later threads that people decided to have a problem with Astra taking initiative. Something he addresses briefly here https://www.ponychan.net/site/res/9111.html#9304

In the same thread, in early to mid January, I feel it worth mentioning that he also discussed staff changes and board restructures. I suppose him having said that mid-January didn't have anything to do with it being pushed to happen recently? Who knows.

It's actually something he opened up for discussion a few days later here https://www.ponychan.net/site/res/9355.html , but we'll get to that later.

The accusation of him taking the rules from Anonthony, while admittedly correct, isn't really something worth losing your shit over, especially considering he agreed with the rule changes anyway. It's something he addresses and talks about here https://www.ponychan.net/site/res/9720.html#10202 .

I'm sure if anyone else decided to make these rules, say, maybe Fen perhaps, you'd have no problem with the fact he agreed with Anons rules and decided to use them. It seems a tad moronic that you'd get mad at someone for taking initiative and establishing something that was very much needed, be it his original creation or not.


Issue #2: Distinctions between /oat/ and /chat/. Fully opened up for discussion with users on this thread, made by Fen https://www.ponychan.net/site/res/10280.html

In this thread, both Fen and Astra discussed possible differences between the two boards. To those complaining about Astras lack of user interaction, if we take away activity updates and general shitposts from both users, Astra made a total of 6 constructive posts while Fen made 7.

Discussion on the differences was split pretty well evenly between the both of them, and the person to actually establish said differences was Astra. Makes sense seeing as he's the admin.


Issue #3: The redundancy between Discord and the site. I really don't think there's any need for explanation here, but seeing as people think he didn't do anything here either, I suppose I can talk about it too.

It's very quickly addressed and talked about here https://www.ponychan.net/site/res/11072.html#11086 . A thread which I believe I haven't actually linked yet, which also discusses and establishes issue #2. The changes to the Discord were established only a few days later I believe, with more recent changes happening to it as well after further community feedback.


Like shit dudes come on. I know Astra could respond a bit more often than he did, but that is supposedly changing as of the Master Announcement Thread. He could also be less snarky and cocky when talking to his users for sure. I've already told him a few times to slow down with that bullshit. I'm also well aware he holds his power and likes to talk about it and occasionally even poke fun at people who don't like him with it.

But he is addressing these issues you guys are claiming he's not. He isn't going around banning users for shittalking him. And he sure as shit isn't "making ponychan worse" or "getting in the way of progress" just because he's admin.

He also made the very good decisions of making Fen co-admin again, and hiring Zeke as Developer.

If these can be proven false, by something more than one line greentexts simplifying my arguments, I will concede everything. If proof cannot be given for your end of the claims, as I have just given for mine, I will stand by my points as being true.

I now open this for discussion.

Jade!/lOsHARLEYCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11368

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I think, at least some part of it, is that people aren't really used to having someone in charge that actively makes others aware of his power. Through jokes and talking about having said power, that is, like you mentioned there at the end. I don't really think there's anything inherently wrong with that, as long as you don't actually use those powers for personal stuff like people talking shit.

Otherwise, I think a lot of it also just comes from him being an outlier in the mod group, having been made a mod pretty specifically as a voice for the /rp/ community. (As said by him, in one of the first threads after he became Admin) Not only that but people probably just have personal problems with him that they're all too willing to bring out into the public.

That's just my take on it, anyways. I think he's doing a really good job so far. but maybe I'm biased. That's certainly what people will say of me, anyways.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11369

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As has been said before - and as you've actually stated yourself specifically with the rules changes, Astra didn't actually contribute nearly as much as he takes credit for with any of those. Each one of those issues was fixed by someone else with the possible exception of him maybe adding links back to the site in the Discord?

To be fair, that doesn't yet fix the redundancy issue; so that one as of yet is not finished and therefore isn't something that should be on there. Once someone actually sits down and devises a bot that links OPs from threads, etc. into the Discord to encourage cross-posting, then we're on our way for that.

In any case, you can hardly give Astra credit for things that other people, like Zeke and Fenolio, have done. Sure, they've been done, but not by him. That's the important part. He hasn't done anything more than say "Okay" to other people's suggestions.

What he has done is demonstrated completely un-required cockiness and horrible behaviour that is not fitting for an admin when he is actually around.

And you also fail to take into account one other thing.

He hadn't made any posts (outside of BLN) for over a week. A good admin doesn't go and hide. A good admin takes part in the community without lording over other people and ostracizing them like Astra does. A good admin is present, answers questions, and knows how to give credit where credit is due. A good admin does not limit his posting to one thread in one board in all but a few cases.

Macil was a terrible admin. Credit where it's due, though: he stepped down rather than continue some damn fool charade where he would continue to assert his ownership over the site despite other people doing the work. Or trying to. Astra has yet to do that first bit even though he's horrifically guilty of the last bit.

Fen is a good admin. Astra is a horrible admin.

I don't think you're a terrible person, Sass, but wow are you giving Astra way more credit than he deserves.

PS: I was the one who brought up the redundancy between the Discord and the site. Not Astra. Me. As of yet I've received no confirmation that anything's been done to fix that.

Astra says a lot of things, little of which is true, so...

TL;DR: People don't like Astra because he's a horrible, power hungry excuse for a person, he does nothing positive for the site, and he takes credit for other peoples' work. He should never have been modded, let alone given admin, and he was only given admin because Fenolio stepped down out of frustration with Macil and he smarmied up to Macil in hopes of getting the job and nothing else.

Beat!aaqQySKB5QCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11370

sas, you're making one critical mistake in your judgement, and that is the following;

astra is a shithead, so fuck him

in a slightly more serious light, however, as you can probably guess by the fact that I ain't touched this site in months, I really have no stake in Astra's role as an admin. I can only make guesses based on his performance as a leader of BLN; in which case, yes, he absolutely did nothing with his role and only took credit for the work of others. but more pressing than that is the fact that, on a strictly personal level, I don't think Astra is the kind of person who deserves to be in any position of power over anyone under any circumstance, even as idle ruler of a third-rate message board dedicated to a cartoon for little girls.
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>>11370
>in which case, yes, he absolutely did nothing with his role and only took credit for the work of others

As the admin of BLN: wrong. Astra ran a full arc on his own and was active in the RP. He also was the one who created the Discord chat for BLN, which there was a overall approval of for being easier to use than the previous Steamchat method we had been using to communicate.

I understand you didn't like Astra because he's really smug and Dave as a character was a guy who really could do anything to circumvent situations and also happens to be really smug but Astra also responsibly used his characters and didn't butt into stuff he wasn't welcome in to be the hero or whatever.

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Okay, this is going to be a bit long, but since the discussion is about whether or not someone is qualified to be a moderator or admin, lets take a moment and actually find out what they are and what they're supposed to even do.

"In short, here are the roles of the Admin and Moderator:

Admin: Manage the technical details required for running the site. Responsibilities include: to promote and demote members to/from moderators, manage the rules, create sections and sub-sections, as well as perform any database operations, such as database backup, etc., make forum-wide announcements, change the appearance, etc. May also act in the capacity of a morderator.

Moderator: Manage the day-to-day affairs of a forum or board. Have access to the posts and threads of all members for the purpose of moderating discussion, keep the forum clean, neutralizing spam and spambots, answer users' concerns and general questions, Common privileges include: ‘deleting, merging, moving, and splitting of posts and threads, locking, renaming, stickying of threads, banning, suspending, unsuspending, unbanning, warning the members, or adding, editing, removing the polls of threads.’

The most basic way to understand this is to see it as a hierarchy, or a three-tier pyramid. The base of the pyramid or hierarchy is the users. They are abundant. Some of these users will be chosen to become the moderators, or some people from the outside will brought in to moderate. These moderators become the second tier of the pyramid, where they have to watch over and control the users. The admins are the top of the pyramid. They either own the group, have made the group, or have been assigned as the admin of the group. They basically have all the power in the group and are the authority figure. The watch over and control the moderators and the users."

So, lets break this down: Admins, yeah they're actually supposed to be the ones managing the teams and keeping everyone on the same page, doing the big picture stuff and making big announcements to present a unified front. They can also moderate if they need to, but thats sort of secondary to their job of keeping things running in a cohesive manner.

Now, lets move onto Moderators: These are the guys, who as people who bothered to read the definitions above would know, that directly manage and moderate issues that come up, clean up messes that occur on the site, and do all the day to day work, unless the Admin decides to pull double duty.

So, basically the question isn't "Is Astra a dick who I personally dislike because of previous confrontations or emotional reactions to him?", or "Does Astra do all the heavy lifting of brainstorming the path the site should take?", the real question is "whether or not Astra is capable of getting the Moderation team to work as a finely tuned machine that gets things done to make the site better?".

Seriously, that is the Admin's job by definition. He's supposed to get the team together and facilitate them discussing things with each other and reach a decision on what to do.

The Moderators are the ones who have to be personable and approachable to the end users. They're the ones you are technically, by definition of their job designation, supposed to go to with immediate issues. By definition.

TL;DR: Admins manage their team and keep the system in order and sets a official plan for going forwards based on the decisions made by the team. Moderators are the ones who by definition are supposed to do the day to day tasks as delegated to their assigned role, this is their job.

So, Astra doesn't actually have to double up as a moderator. Managing the moderation team and posting major announcements is literally his job.

Now that things have been properly defined, please discuss things rationally based on the actual job requirements and roles of the people involved.

Waifus are people too!YoRdlEjxQ6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11373

I thought the "thesis per post" style of /site/posting died years ago???

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>>11373
Nah, I just usually save my thesis posts for places that tend to appreciate my work.
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Beat!aaqQySKB5QCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11375

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>>11371
>He also was the one who created the Discord chat for BLN, which there was a overall approval of for being easier to use than the previous Steamchat method we had been using to communicate.

on my heavy suggestion, you may recall.

after I had spent several hours trying to herd the lot of you onto a new platform, because steamchat is all we know and change is scary.

and, no, Grell. I'll note for the record; I've got no beef with you, unlike a lot of others who've left the BLN crew over time. my problems lie squarely with Astra, and it's not just because I find him smug or a poor writer. it's because I consider him a craven, megalomaniacal egotist who wants to leverage power over others for personal validation, yet is too afraid of reprisal to attempt to pull rank on people outside of situations wherein he's in absolute control. this isn't even mentioning the numerous allegations of sexual harassment from near enough every single, emotionally vulnerable girl that's ever crossed his path. hell, there's one or two yet-unsubstantiated stories that could absolutely kill the man should they turn out to be true, but I won't start flinging accusations over rumors just yet.

if the accusations of him being an idle leader are correct, then they're because Astra wants his own little pocket world where he is the absolute unquestioned authority, free to bully people into doing as he says just on a whim.

so, between my immense distaste for the man, and this cheeky little Discord cap "a delicious irony"? howsabout you pull your head outta yer fuckin' ass for two seconds and stop trying to talk like a fucking bond villain, dweebhere, I may as well give him what he wants. so here's my promise, Astra, since I'm willing to bet you're the sorta person to read every post with your name in it; as soon as this thread winds down or I get banned, whichever comes first, you'll never see my IP or trip crop up on this site again. I hope the knowledge of your victory over me brings some tiny measure of fleeting, momentary amusement to break up the hollow monotony of your real life.

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I'll get to responding to the larger posts shortly.

>>11375
Aside from the offhanded comments, as pictured in that screencap you ever so elegantly took from the privacy of BLN, I don't believe he's actually ever held his power over anyone for leverage?

He's certainly never banned anyone for the criticizing him or pissing him off. In fact, the one person he really didn't like was met with no more than passive aggressiveness. Even while he was BLN admin he said they were allowed back, but he would not be associating with him at all.

Wow what a coldhearted tyrant.

The one person he did end up actually banning from BLN was only something that happened after at least a week of input from everyone else, and consideration on the decision. That was also after the week long argument and cooldown period.

Jesus, will someone stop this maniac? Who will be the next to fall to his evil?

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>>11376
But I'm closing my arguments related to BLN. That's not what this thread is about. Other people can deal with those now.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11378

>>11376
>ignores the legitimate complaint of constant sexual harassment towards various people.
Jussaiyan, the last person who acted that way and sexually harassed people on this site has been ultra-perma-banned to the point of never being allowed back even during the merger/wipe.

Beat!aaqQySKB5QCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11379

>>11376
maybe you're right on one thing, perhaps he doesn't so much try to bully people with his authority. but what he certainly does do is take every possible chance to gloat about that authority, doing his damnedest to dangle it over everyone's head like a goddamn sword of damocles. yet, he's never willing to take that final step and actually make use of that power, all he's got is empty bravado. even when he's choosing to play king in real life, all he's got is passive-aggression. and in a certain way, I respect that even less than if he were to fully embrace totalitarian censorship.

and for that matter, regarding me "taking from the privacy of BLN", that's irrelevant. if you or anyone else wants to try to defend Astra's attitude, I welcome you to. but attacking the source of my evidence without refuting the argument doesn't prove anything to anyone.

and, yes, as Ember pointed out, you're still ignoring the much more pressing issue of Astra's nearly Cosby-tier track record of unwanted or aggressive advances. although I will concede on that front, that most of my stories are anecdotal.

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>>11378
Rumors with no actual provided proof or even victims coming forth, stated as a non sequitur...is hardly something that can even remotely discussed.

Honestly, unless there's actual proof or you know anyone willing to step forwards as a "single, emotionally vulnerable girl, that has been sexually harrassed" by Astra, it literally would boil down to his word versus Beat who can't even be bothered to support her claims.

And honestly, in that case everyone whose basis for hating Astra is basically just hating him would never believe his word even if it is the truth, so its pointless to discuss.

Jade!/lOsHARLEYCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11381

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>>11378
Simply saying "numerous allegations of sexual harassment" without providing any actual evidence or even a bit of summary of said claims doesn't make the supposed allegations a valid subject for discussion. If you want people to talk about them, maybe actually start by bringing up what, exactly, they are.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11382

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>>11380
How's about the fact that I have seen it myself in the Ponychan Official Discord™ the one time I actually decided to join it to confirm my opinions of how cancerous it was (really fucking cancer, if you want to know). Astra has a literal track record of sexual harassment. It's literally something he does - out right hitting on people who may or may not want it.

Do I have any screencaps? No. But I know it's happened as a fact because I've witnessed it going back several years.

Beat!aaqQySKB5QCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11383

>>11381
>>11380
like I said, most of my evidence is anecdotal, and I understand that it's effectively irrefutable by it's nature. so, I'll let that one slide for the time being. burden of proof is on me for this one, and I can't currently provide it.

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>>11378
I didn't address it because it's not a topic I want to talk about.

Though I suppose if it's anything, I highly doubt I'd associate myself with someone who had been doing those sorts of things. I have never seen or heard anything about this, and considering I've known him for quite awhile I believe I'd know something like that.

That said, I would like if we could avoid such bold and controversial claims right now.

>>11379
I'm not trying to prove anything by attacking your source. I just dislike the lack of respect to privacy going on here. Be it from you or from your source, you're both breaking that respect.

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lurkys

Jade!/lOsHARLEYCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11386

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>>11382
Now this I'd like to see. Too bad you don't have any screenshots. Some evidence would really help make any of this credible.

>>11383
I saw that, and I commend it, so I'm just bringing it up with Memeber at this juncture.

>>11384
unless such claims could be backed up by evidence or even just more information, really. Because if it's real then they're not wrong to bring it up.

Fenphone!GUARD5kv/UCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11387

>>11380
>>11379
>>11378
>>11381
FYI i'll take all accusations of harrassment, sexual or otherwise, 100% seriously if those people want to contact me privately.

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>>11387
Yes, exactly, indeed! If someone comes forward, or if any actual evidence or summary of events is supplied, I would 100% be the first person on board with making something of it!

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>>11387
Ah, thank you Fen!

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>>11382
Still, the burden of proof is on the people making the allegations.

Which even Beat admits in this post here >>11383

In an official sort of discussion you cannot just make claims like these without either proof to back them up, or actually being one of the victimized parties in question.

Ember, you of all people should know what its like to have people make allegations against you without having any actual proof, or even forging proof to make you look bad. I doubt you'd want people to take the same approach as you have here for determining your innocence of guilt.

In fact the proof is especially important if there are real allegations, because that is something that would be taken seriously and investigated appropriately, instead of just words from someone who has repeatedly openly stated they wish ill of the accused party.

Beat!aaqQySKB5QCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11391

by the way, for that matter, as long as I'm admitting my own fault, I'm gonna throw out a public apology to anyone here who I might have accidentally brought into this stuff by implication. I intend to try to keep this strictly between me and the person I'm against, but I'm getting a little heated and not making sure to keep a lid on what I say. I apologize to anyone who's been annoyed or upset by that.

>>11387
I've got a person or two on hand, though they're not currently online. when they are, I'll ask them if they'd like to me to forward you to them.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11392

>>11387
Working on it, as you know.

Right, well, s'all I can do for that.

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tl;dr

Astra is a smug little shit. Or does someone else want to talk about Astra taking credit for the work of others so that more people can come out of the woodwork to disprove it?

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>>11391
>>11389
>>11388
>>11392
I will not have that on this site and i'll talk to anyone directly involved about it privately.

I'd appreciate it if this thread went back on topic.

Beat!aaqQySKB5QCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11395

>>11393
i'll come out of whatever damn woodwork i please and you can't stop me

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>>11395

I'm not talking about you. What I'm talking about is that people are claiming that a bunch of what Astra has done is just him stealing the work of others or doing no work.

It seems that those accusations are unsubstantiated at best, and at worst, have had people come 'out of the woodwork' to disprove them.

Beat, you're cool. Say whatever you want to say. That's what I'm doing right now. Dig?

Beat!aaqQySKB5QCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11397

>>11396
i'll dig whatever damn holes i please and you can't stop me

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>>11397

I said that you could say whatever you want...? You don't need my permission, but all I've done is clarifying that I wasn't even talking about you to start with.

Beat!aaqQySKB5QCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11399

>>11398
i'll take whatever damn permission i please and you can't stop me
i'm trapped in my own stupid joke and now i can't escape help me

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Alright lets get back on track here.

>>11369
I don't like to hop on bandwagons here, but a "source for these claims" seems appropriate for that first chunk of text. You've said this for months, and I said if you could prove it I'll concede. You haven't proven it, so for now I don't believe you. I've given links showing him making clear efforts at talking with the community and coming up with solutions. I'd like proof showing otherwise.

Moving on, as I've also said previously, I don't think being incredibly community active is a necessity as a site-side admin, something I had meant to respond to Fen about but never got around to. Despite his "community absence" he has, as I've shown, still done his job.

I should also quickly say that I'm not defending Astras attitude. It's something I've talked to him about, albeit briefly, but yes, I'm aware Astra is a shithead. However his attitude, as well as how much you like him, does not reflect what he does on this site.

I also did not say he was the one who brought up the redundancy. I said he was the one who discussed possible solutions and talked about what could and would be done. The chat is also something he's still currently working on to try and make better for everyone.

Sure, you can call that a WIP, but it's still being done.

I also actually appreciate you saying you don't think I'm terrible. It says a lot about you, and I think I'd have to say the same. I don't really have any problems with you particularly.

>>11369
>>11372
I suppose this is also a good thing to bring up though. Admins by definition aren't even required to have heavy community involvement. That is, in fact, a moderators job.

>>11370
>>11393
Yes I know. Not defending his attitude. I'm aware that can use a lot of work.

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>>11401
>However his attitude, as well as how much you like him, does not reflect what he does on this site.

maybe, maybe not. I'm of the opinion that his behavior and personality should disqualify him from a leadership position by default, though I realize that's a hell of a thing to try to prove with any objectivity.

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>>11401

I know. My point was to summarize the thread by saying that at the end of the day, the only assertions anyone can prove is that Astra can be a shit sometimes.

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>>11403
The same could be said for anyone. If being a shit sometimes is these people's idea of something that disqualifies you from leading, then technically nobody could lead, period.

i mean other than moony potentially

RubyCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11405

>>11404

Hey, Moony is secretly Hitler.

Pony on the streets, führer in the sheets.

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>>11405
What, Moony, who said anything about Moony?

wonk wonk

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The fact that his buddy has to make this thread may be the saddest proof yet of the claims of his unfitness for the role.

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>>11401
>Moving on, as I've also said previously, I don't think being incredibly community active is a necessity as a site-side admin

I'd say it is. If you're not part of a community I'd wager you're hardly fit to make decisions that affect it.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11412

Let's not forget:

Lying for Macil to back him up in the absolutely ridiculous fiasco with Fluttershy's "suspension."
The fact that said suspension was an egregiously stupid, shortsighted, incompetent move in the first place, to say nothing of his attitude about doing it and the transparent public flexing of his new role at the time.
Making provably false, baldfaced lies during it.
Literally refusing to even acknowledge any of it after-the-fact, trying to have it swept under the rug since Macil conveniently fucked off forever right after it, and still no apology for of his proven lies.
"Delegating" all the real work to Fen anyway, who was always having to act as admin with or without the role, as he's the only person aside from Mithent who's ever displayed capable administrative chops. Missing the site birthday despite weeks of notice. Going absent for weeks at a time already in the few short months he's had the job, etc.

The bottom line for most people's disdain for him in the role is that he should never have been in it in the first place. Who tf is Astra to this? He was the biggest sycophantic suckup this side of Zamoonda for years, he just didn't have the level of planning Zam did. He e-fucked mods to get into any position at all, constantly trying to be in charge of side groups while simultaneously e-fucking anyone with a pulse who'd acknowledge him, being a terribad powergaming RPer until he finally got made a mod of /rp/. Then how tf does an /rp/ mod become an admin anyway? Completely only because after Fen was driven out of the position by Macil, literally no one else on the team had the powerhunger to be willing to be Macil's proxy-fuckboy (which Astra proved himself very capable of being in the immediately subsequent Flutters fiasco, dutifully doing Macil's fucked up bidding.) Then, in what was always a recurring theme, got the benefit of everyone else's work in getting Macil to leave, by being the recipient of the site. After this, and only through overwhelming outcry for it, did he give Fen his rightful role back (though not his rightful co-owner, as Fenolio was always the co-owner of the site, despite Macil's fuckery.) (That part will never have peace until it's resolved, certainly.)

The 3 supposed points OP has for him doing anything else positive are hilariously debunked by his own statements, since there's no proof for them. "The rule changes", that everyone, OP included, acknowledges that others did all the work on and all he did was say 'ok.' "The distinctions between the boards' that everyone, OP included, acknowledges that others put together and defined and all he did was say 'ok.' "The discord" which literally every suggested change was written and defined by someone else and all he did was say 'ok.'

Oh, and "he hired Zeke." lmao, once again, other people talked to Zeke and convinced him to take on the role despite his busy schedule, and Zeke was added after he publicly volunteered.

Talk about 'inattentive', Sass. I haven't even needed to touch on his bullshit attitude, or his borderline sexual predator behavior. Those are even further separate issues from his unfitness for the role, which again he stumbled into in the first place.

>>11411
Yeah, lmao.. That's the dumbest argument imaginable, and it's not even really an 'argument.' OP gives no reasoning or logical support whatsoever for the idea that having an absentee manager of something is actually fine; this isn't a self-moderated community. A small band of people, a specific and tight community, you absolutely have to have an active presence in, and be actively engaged in, to understand the people involved, the personalities, the issues (before they start becoming a problem), be actively involved in contributing to it, etc. The fuck is the reason for owning/managing a thing like this place if you don't want to do those things? You might as well make like Macil and fuck off to your serial/Discord chat if your level of investment is that small.

This place should be owned and operated by a small handful of staff who are actively engaged with it and who are here and present and care a lot. Not someone who provably doesn't finish what he starts, and no amount of whiteknighting from his roleplay buddies changes that.
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>>11401
>That is, in fact, a moderators job.
he didn't do this even when he was a 'moderator.'

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OK, I was gonna avoid posting here since I had nothing to really add to this beyond "yeah I don't like him as a person" and just repeat what everyone else said about him being absent as far as a community presence goes.

But that having been said...

>>11367
>>11412

Sas, if you wanted to avoid having people again refer to you as a white knight for Astra, you really shouldn't have made a whole thread trying to defend him.

Like, come on man. Seriously.

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>>11415
Well since the code is apparently trash anyways maybe so lol. Thought we would lose a lot of sunk cost.

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>>11415
>i would rather be part of something that was willingly fun and had the effort put in, heck i might even stop being a prick and actually try to do things too.
You dont have to stop talking. You're not wrong.

!Bags/6aOfgCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11418

We need to seize the means of posting

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Alright, now that I'm awake, lets go at a few of these.

>>11411
Well I can certainly expand if you'd like.

That's an odd assessment, considering what I've described is exactly what an admins actual job is.

Admins are more often than not the behind the scenes type people, tasked with managing the moderation team, making decisions via discussions with the moderation team, while the moderation team is the one dealing with user specific problems, and the ones who are supposed to be having these discussions with the users. So saying "I don't think an incredibly community active admin is necessary" isn't really an opinion, it's the job description.

They handle site issues, manage the moderation team, and hold discussions with them to reach decisions.

>>11412
I did not say all he said was "Okay". Please read more carefully.

>Zeke was added after he publicly volunteered.


I mean, that's kind of a prerequisite if you want them to know you'd like to be staffed. What happened before this, or who convinced Zeke to volunteer, doesn't really matter.

I will not touch anything involving Macil because I know nothing about him, nor do I know anything about the relationship he had with Astra. No one knows that for sure actually it seems, since most of it is just accusations with no hard backup, but again, I'm not touching the subject because I don't have the information for it. I'm sticking to my own arguments.

That said, I did create this thread based around proof of your claims. I've proven that Astra has been active and involved in coming to the conclusions of each of my stated issues, barring the first. The first issue, as I've said, was more of an initiative thing, and will not explain that a second time.

>>11414
Calling out something I believe to be incorrect, and holding a proper discussion about it, isn't whiteknighting.

That's disregarding the fact I've criticized Astra, and even insulted him, I suppose, in this same thread.

>>11415

Making another splinter site holds one major problem, that being one that people have complained about ponychan for for awhile, that being "activity". Something that really doesn't seem to be a major concern at the moment, but whatever

Creating a second site and having half the population migrate over would, obviously, cut activity in half from what it already is, with almost no differences between the two sites as a whole. Either way, it's not like the website is falling apart. It's actually in quite a good spot right now aside from the drama surrounding Astra.

The same thing could probably be achieved by making a serial thread for the people you want to hang out with, and never clicking that /site/ button in the top corner.

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>>11420
>"ive proved my claims"
>how
>"by proving my claims"

Sage
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AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11422

No real use for this thread besides this; Beat, Ruby, do you guys have stream or discord? You seem quality. Maybe we can be friends.
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>>11420
What you say about admins has merit but you need to consider a couple things.

1) We're a tight / small enough community that a hands off approach to admin does more harm than good,
A admin should have a general feel for their community, be a neutral factor amongst the moderators and be available for users to voice their concerns to, either about the site or about staff.

2) We have several years worth of baggage in regards to admins that dont interact with or listen to the community / staff.
It's consistantly given us bad results, the consequences of such are either off-loaded to the users or to staff until it culminates in so much bad blood that the admin in question is practically driven out with pitchforks.

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>>11423
Somehow aside from you and Mithent no one ever learns from their predecessors here.

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>>11420

But the only time you ever get engaged in /site/ topics is when it comes to defending Astra. When someone feels the need to talk about what they feel Astra is doing wrong, you're quick to show up and explain how they're wrong through flimsy logic of "well I think this is fine".

Like, you don't seem to understand what people are actually asking for. Yes, admins handle delegation of the moderation team and work behind the scenes, but even then they still have a presence among a community. They still engage with the site as a whole and not just a few people whenever they feel like it. No, it may not be in the technical job description, but it's still something that goes a long way to building trust between the people in charge and the people who aren't.

And it goes beyond that in this case. This current bit of bantering came up because of that /oat/ thread and Astra's appearance in it. Anonthony called him absentee, and continued to express his belief that Fen should be sole owner. Astra responded out of the blue saying that a) he's never giving the site up, and b) that he was sole owner and Fen wasn't co-owner.

What sense does it make to say that? Why outright declare that when people already have a poor opinion of Astra and view him as just a power-hungry yes man who wormed his way to the top? What does that do other than just confirm what people already feel?

And you can make the argument that his attitude doesn't factor in to how he does his job, but it kinda does. When your job is on a site that is all about communication between people, how you present yourself as the one in charge of everything goes a long way. If you come off as a dick, then people are going to view you as a dick and won't want you in charge because they don't trust you.

Fen, conversely, does engage with the community, and as such has a lot more trust with the users. Same with Mikie, same with other mods that people generally like. That's why this keeps coming up, and that's why Thony keeps saying Fen should solely be in charge. Because he knows that people like him and will trust him, and they generally will.

And yes, fine, you don't think him having a presence among the community is necessary. That's all well and good. But there's a huge set of people who disagree with that, and to just brush off their complaints as not important isn't going to help the brewing animosity.

>>11375

And this kinda stuff certainly doesn't help either.

I mean, I'm not about to say that Beat did the right thing here, but like it or not it is proof of how Astra acts. This, coupled with the /oat/ thread, is going to stick as long as Astra is in power, unless he starts to reassess how he should act towards the community. Which doesn't include lording his power over everyone while delegating the actual work to Fen or the other mods.

TL;DR - it's not just that Astra is typically absent that's a problem, it's that when he does have something to say he comes off as a dick.

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>>11423
Ah, I suppose I should clarify just a bit that I was more speaking to the "posting in /oat/ or /chat/ or whatever other board threads and being active in boards other than /rp/" kind of active. Astra has actually been doing a fairly decent job at talking to the community about issues, but the complaint most people seem to have is that, /site/ threads aside, he doesn't really post outside of BLN much.

I agree with the idea that the admin, especially in this situation, should be talking with the community and taking their opinions into consideration when making decisions; something Astra has been doing. Normally it most certainly isn't required, but is helpful.

Apologies if that wasn't clear; Was more trying to say that posting in other boards actively wasn't really necessary to do the job.

>>11425
That first chunk of text is incredibly false. This is the second, if not first time I've actually made a deal out of talking about Astra. I have spent a lot of time discussing the Discord and its options, as well as adding my thoughts about other relevant site changes such as the /chat/ and /oat/ issue. And in case you haven't been reading, my points are backed up by much more than "I think this is fine".

And yes, Astra responded to Anonthony saying he thinks Fen should be owner by saying that he didn't have intentions of doing so. That's.. not exactly a bad thing to say? It could certainly come off as passive aggressive, but reassuring someone of that isn't something that's inherently bad. The reason it got to the point it did is because Ember made the immediate decision to call him a pile of shit and insult him by comparing him to Hitler right off the bat.

When speaking professionally on /site/, he also drops his smug attitude in favor of being constructive. Though as I've said before, I'm aware his attitude elsewhere can use a lot of work.

The rest of your points are talked about in the first half of this post.
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AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11428

Fascinating avoidance

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>>11428
>I'd like to ask that anyone who has no interest in having a mature conversation would please not post.
>If these can be proven false, by something more than one line greentexts simplifying my arguments, I will concede everything.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11430

I too love to set the rules of the game in my favor and then declare victory

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>>11427

He was hardly "reassuring" anyone of anything, he was outright bluntly declaring "no, I'm in charge, I'm sole owner, and that's that". You can blame Ember for escalating it further if you want to, but he wouldn't have anything to escalate if Astra hadn't said what he did.

Or, rather, what Ember did say wouldn't have had much ground to stand on if Astra didn't prove his point immediately before.

And even when you're not directly talking about Astra or responding to something someone said about him, when you do post here you generally go "well what Astra's doing is fine so what's the big deal?" It's that lack of understanding of why people have an issue with his attitude, and conversely just dismissing it outright as not important, that contributes to this image of you being a white knight for him.

You can say that he has an attitude problem all you like, and say that you're advising him to change, but you're still defending his actions and saying that his attitude shouldn't matter. So you're decrying those speaking against him for that reason while claiming that you agree with them. You see how that doesn't make any sense?

Plus you haven't really said anything to him about his attitude in any capacity that we can see, so to flip your earlier point around, we need a source for these claims.

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>>11430
>Having a mature conversation is something that's in my favor.

Huh.

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So is everyone just complaining about Astra cause he's not the nice guy they want/he doesn't post on the site?

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11435

Macil-tier levels of strawman right there. Bravo.

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>>11428
>>11430
>>11432
>>11433
>>11435
Less of this please, one line quips / comments about things are good for stating opinions, but not much else.

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>>11423
I don't agree with the first comment, at least not fully in the remark Astra has nothing to do with the people who go on the site. I definitely recall reading that he's active on the Ponychan Discord, he does flit around /rp/ and if anything he keeps an eye on /oat/ enough to see a stealth /site/ thread when it pops up. "The community" is something I keep seeing get brought up but I really have to ask what that entails for the site as a whole. Is it /oat/? Is it the /pony/ posters that cycle through the show material? Definitely isn't /rp/ seeing how nearly everyone disparages it whenever its brought up in /site/ but that's nothing new.

Admin baggage and general authority mistrust does keep happening but in the case of Astra I still can't see what he as an Admin has been doing wrong aside being a general asshat when socializing with others. He doesn't stand as an obstruction from what I can tell and general community consensus that affects how the site is guided and run was fulfilled in reinstating you as an Admin and making Mikie and Zeke a mod and developer respectively. Admins are ultimately managers. I'd definitely agree that a small community does need an active adminship but this community isn't small either. You have subsets of communities in Ponychan with different goals or day-to-day operations with different outlooks on how the site should be run. There's definitely more than 20 people that post on this site that require the personal finesse and touch of a close admin staff and for many of the subcommunities there's already 'heads' of the community that represent it. Trying to somehow dip hands into all of that just seems impractical and asking the admin to go beyond their overseeing position.

I'll take the moment to actually thank you for being involved in as many communities as you can, Fen, because you're also an Admin and I know that dealing with community issues intimately in a leadership position is a trying and stressful job. I also know having an impossible boss can make the job all the worse, which pulling from /site/ discussions I can see Macil was impossible to work with.

And that if anything is the most remarkable thing about all this drama. Astra somehow got Macil to relinquish Ponychan when all that was riding on that happening was by Macil's will alone. I know a ton of people like to ride the dicksucking cruise about how that happened but when it did things around here started happening once the keys were passed. I honestly can't see how or why this was bad because it's clear other methods weren't working and evidently the situation was so stressful even you stepped down from your position over the internalized politic at the top of the chain.

>>11431
You're a fan of arguing for the sake of emotion, so let's take a look at that for a moment Crona; you have a subset of a loud and vocal constantly push that you hadn't done anything with the position you now occupy and have more still chant for you to relinquish your position, even in threads that shouldn't have anything to do with you.

That Zeke thread was about shutting down the site temporarily to look at the coding for Christ's sake and it still devolved into Astra shitposting. The difference was that it wasn't an official /site/ thread so Astra could say whatever the hell he wanted and take a razz out on his core of detractors.

Though speaking of that it's something I want to pick up on: people who speak in favor of Astra are subjected to a litany of insults and character assassination in the form of diminishing their position as a denizen of the site. Sas and myself get that a lot, especially when we decide to step in and say something from our POV about the subject matter, only to be accused of white-knighting and opinion discarded just because we aren't full regulars on the parts of the community that 'matter'.

But someone like you who stopped watching the show ages ago and never posts on /pony/ /oat/ or /chat/ and professes to only use Ponychan for /rp/ can say whatever he wants and get a pat on the back because you too hate Astra get a pass?

Honestly this is probably why a lot of people don't bother with /site/ at all when they can't say anything contradictory to someone like Thony's opinion of how the site should be run or how the moderators/admin's job reflects.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11438

>Astra somehow got Macil to relinquish Ponychan
lmao this shit is so good

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>>11431
Again, those accusations of that being the only thing I post about are false, as I've already said.

Though it's already clear at this point neither of us are really going to budge regarding Astras initial /oat/ post. It's a mostly subjective thing anyway, so it's hard to objectively argue. I'm of the opinion that it wasn't somehow "insulting" or "roar power hungry", and you, much like the others who don't like Astra, are much more inclined to think otherwise.

In either case, the immediate jump to insults wasn't warranted in any way by what he said, as what Astra said isn't something that holds hostility.

As I've said previously, Astra conducts himself professionally while discussing issues and topics. His attitude elsewhere does not affect this, so it doesn't matter when these decisions are being talked about.

His attitude elsewhere can use work, yes, but that still doesn't make it relevant to how he conducts himself on /site/.

So no, I don't see how it doesn't make any sense. The two are unrelated.

Also, unfortunately, and much to my own discredit, I will not be providing a source to that claim. I still respect the privacy around group chats and "Private Messages".

>>11436
Sorry, Fen! I'll avoid it in the future.

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>>11437
Dont have time to respond appropriately.

>>11438
I asked you to stop.
Last warning.

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>>11440
I mean, flat out lies are fine though I guess. Then again they've evidently been that way for awhile and then are never so much acknowledged let alone rectified.

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Oh, and as for the "astra saying that shit about ownership", it's not that he thinks he doesn't "have to" it's that he thinks it hasn't already happened; it's a fact, not an opinion, Fenolio was always from day 1 co-owner, Astra has no say in that, and he or anyone else didn't have it before or after this.

Beat!aaqQySKB5QCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11443

well, since I've said my piece and don't really have anything more to add, may as well keep my promise.

have a good rest-of-your-life, ya fucks.

fen if you're reading this hit me with that perma my nigga

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>>11443
hey do you have steam/discord?

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>>11441
I am simply asking you to cease with the one line quips and comments as they are not conductive to discussion.

>>11443
No.

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>>11444
sorry dude, I don't really take random adds from people I don't know. I'm flaky as shit besides and would probably forget to ever talk to you.

>>11445
pwetty pwease

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>>11446
well i mean if you get the add and you dont want to keep me on your list, ill understand

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>>11437

Well, in all fairness, I never said I wasn't biased in this. I mean, I totally am. Hell, you could make the argument that I only post on /site/ to shit on Astra and I wouldn't really argue against that.

Does that make my point about Sas and/or you doing the same but in Astra's defense less valid? Pointing at the other side and saying "well you do the same thing" doesn't really make the initial point meaningless, it's still there.

It's not solely about not taking part in the rest of the community in your case, it's that it makes you two come off as not fully understanding the issue at hand and speaking from a sheltered viewpoint. Like you only see the good side of him and can't quite comprehend where all these detractors came from.

But to address your viewpoint about emotion and arguing for that, the thing is every person in a position of power is going to have detractors. Even if you are as squeaky-clean as you can be you're going to have people saying shit about you. But since you're in a public position of power, how you handle that can be the deciding factor between making that problem better or worse.

In this case, if the problem was Astra just not engaging with the community enough on a personable level/acting like a dick, he could just...not do that? Like, not make a big production out of it, but just take the criticisms under consideration and maybe act on them?

Jumping into one of those threads, even if it wasn't on /site/, and then just stamping all over everyone's already sour moods just made that worse, and actually makes him look less professional because of it.

And before you counter with some point about how I or anyone else might handle that situation in the same way, that may be true, but the difference is that I'm not in charge of the whole site. How I handle a situation doesn't have as widespread an effect as it would if I was in Astra's position. And that is something that needs to be taken into consideration, like it or not.

>>11439

But how he conducts himself on one board can't be used to defend how he acts on other boards, not when that in and of itself is the problem.

So yeah, we're probably not gonna budge any further with this.

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So is this thread just complaining that people are criticizing their friend who happens to nominally be part in charge and they feel the need to whiteknight him in unison?

Yes.

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>>11450
In a way, yes.

I mean, if the people didn't like Astra they wouldn't be defending him, so...
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Incredible. You're right, though, certainly no would defend him because he was objectively any good, and would only do so because they were personally attached to

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>>11452
Silly anon, people don't defend others unless they have personal attachment to them. That's unrealistic idealism at it's best.

But I digress, trading posts with you will probably incur Fen's ire so I'll be stopping now

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>people don't defend others unless they have personal attachment to them
This is an unfortunately revealing piece of projection and disquieting insight into the mindset of this small cabal

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>>11453
>incur Fen's ire
Yoooooo you shouldn't be afraid of THE MAAAAAAAAAN like that.

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>>11455
Of course I'd be afraid.

Of anyone who could ban me after finally finding some new friends to hang out with around here.

Though, like I said, this thread really isn't the place for this conversation.

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>>11453
I'm keeping my arguments as objective as I possibly can.

I like Astra, yes, but that is not why I am here.

I'm going back to sleep, and am likely to be unavailable tomorrow. Any responses made after this one will be looked at on Sunday.

I'd also like to ask that any posts made after this one be put back on track. We've gotten a bit derailed from the original topic.

G'night.

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>>11422

Oh, yeah. Ruby#7784

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>>11437
I never said he has nothing to do with the site, i'm saying that sass' definition of admin isnt applicable here.
>"The community" is something I keep seeing get brought up but I really have to ask what that entails for the site as a whole.
It's that, the entire site, thats the community that's spoken of.
>Definitely isn't /rp/ seeing how nearly everyone disparages it whenever its brought up in /site/ but that's nothing new.
Can you point to examples of this? I dont recall seeing comments directed at /rp/ at all, for good or ill.
>What he did wrong as admin.
Well to be frank, he essentially became macil's yes-man during that period, and i've already expressed how i felt about that.
I understand the reasons for doing so, but it was still wrong.

We're small enough that keeping track of the various sub communities isnt actually too difficult, especially if you've established a "See me if you have problems." stance and otherwise just check in occasionally.
If i went so far as to take notes it'd be a lot easier, but i'm far too lazy for that.
It also helps that, generally speaking, by this point we're a very laid back group of people that aren't too demanding.

>Astra somehow got Macil to relinquish Ponychan when all that was riding on that happening was by Macil's will alone.

This is 100% false.
Astra may have helped with macil handing over the site amicably (Not to say that macil would have hurt the site out of spite, but he transferred the pre-paid servers to astra instead of telling us to rent brand new ones), but i have a strong feeling nigh constant criticism and arguments with him was what ultimately drove him to quit.
I dont regret the things i said, but i am sad that it came to seperation and that we couldnt work out our differences.

I'm confused as to what you refer to in regards to shit getting done "once the keys were passed".
If you mean from me to astra, i never exactly stopped doing my job, half of the things astra did with macil were things i'd suggested months ago, the /site/ threads are likely still up where i discussed them even.
If you mean from macil to astra, see above plus the fact i didnt just randomly get added back into the admin spot because of inertia.
I'm not trying to detract astra's involvement, he was definitely a major factor in macil doing things, only that you seem to have the impression that shit got done solely because of him.

>>11448
>Jumping into one of those threads, even if it wasn't on /site/, and then just stamping all over everyone's already sour moods just made that worse, and actually makes him look less professional because of it.
For what it's worth i've spoken to him about this.

>>11451
>I mean, if the people didn't like Astra they wouldn't be defending him, so...
Thats a dumb way of thinking.
You can not like a person and still defend them if they're doing something you think is good just the same as if you like a person you can still call them bumfuck retarded when they do something you think is worth that sort of criticism.

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>>11476
Thank God for a competent admin.


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