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State of /oat/, /chat/ and politics. Fen!!Shining Armor ## ModCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10280[View All]

There's been many concerns about the state of both /chat/ and /oat/, particularly in regards to political topics and their place on the site, as well as concerns about the status of the discord server.
This thread will be used to discuss and decide a solution to those concerns, along with clarifying the distinction between /chat/ and /oat/.
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Fen!!Shining ArmorCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10735

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>>10713
>>10719
>>10726
>>10729
>>10734
I realise only about half of this is funposting, so i'll just ask you to stop doing that on /site/ and address the other half that's legitimate.

"Make your own ponychan and run it if the admins dont listen" isnt really that simple.
Like you said, there's nothing technically wrong happening right now but there's really nothing happening, it's just been status quo for the past year and a half until i stepped down as admin and triggered a brief spurt of activity for what i can only surmise is either macil being too damn stubborn to admit he was wrong and finally getting an out or astra somehow convinced him into agreeing with things i was literally suggesting several months ago.
Making yet another imageboard from scratch when we've got a perfectly good one right here is essentially throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I mean, it's certainly an option but it's on the same level as "Burn it all and salt the earth" in terms of problem solving and not exactly something that people want to do despite the greviances.

Again, please stop making light of how much people care about the status of the site, we realise it objectively doesnt mean much but it's important to quite a few of us.

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>>10735
*meant to say that another chan will simply splinter what little population remains when we should be working on consolidating so that people dont just drift away.
Together we're a mighty faggot and all that.

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>>10737
No i get what you're saying, but people have greviances and /site/ is really the only way to air them.
The threads are constant because the responses are sparse or simply nonexistant, they'd be less frequent / hostile if either of the admins actually gave a timely response that was considered satisfactory.
We can certainly ban from specific boards, let me know if you want to contribute to the discussions again.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10739

>>10693
>macil thinks he and fen (co owner and "equal" partner) were "cordial" but just "couldnt get things done"
>the way macil destroyed fen's will with utter and absolute disrespect, insult through inattention and abusive levels of disregard for what he cared about
>i love fen and if someone did that to him in person id beat the living piss out of them
Macil needs to fucking go. Period. Get the fuck out of the Ponychan community he's never been a part of. Hand this shit, keys and all, to Fen and TPWPF. They can sort out how it'll be managed later.

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>>10735
>>10738

I think the problems are a bit deeper than just the admins not responding in a timely fashion right now. It's more to do with the fact that a lot of people know the admins are around, but just seem to be ignoring all the ire and distaste that's been brewing for a while now.

We know Macil's still hanging around the /b/ and friends thread, and I'm willing to bet Astra's still in the Discord chat, so why aren't they saying anything? They're clearly looking at the site, or at the very least are still connected to it, so they should be paying attention to what's going on. If they are, why aren't they saying anything? And if they're not, then that's negligence and that's not what people in their position should be doing.

Which is the real issue here: the people in charge aren't giving the users enough faith that they're doing their jobs properly. And the worst part about it is that we can't actually do anything about that.

>>10739

Outcries like this have been all over the place lately, but it's clear that even with that nothing's actually going to change. Someone else pointed out in another thread that if Macil just disappeared one day, the site would be fucked, because no one else has the keys to the actual coding for the site because he apparently just won't give it to anyone. Both Macil and Astra have unopposed power and nothing we say or do is going to make them suddenly give that up. Especially not Macil, who seems to do everything to come off as a brick wall to any criticism thrown at him, so the odds of him deciding to just step down seem to be nil.

All of this contributes to the desire for someone to just make a new site and have people in charge that the users know they can trust. If Anonthony or TPWPF or you, Fen, were in charge these issues wouldn't come up, and since Macil isn't gonna hand the keys over to anyone else any time soon, and working with him seems to be enough to knock twenty years off of one's life, then this is the only recourse left.

I get not wanting to salt the earth or whatever, I get not wanting to resort to extreme solutions, but when it feels like it's the only thing left, people are going to want it.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10741

>>10740
Your post is 100% correct. But there just isnt enough left to try it. The only hope is the slim thread that he just fucking accepts that he's not acceptable to own and manage this and gives it back. Otherwise we just ride out the lifecycle while fen still does whatever work can be done

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>>10741

Isn't enough of what? Users?

I'll admit, I don't really pay attention to what the actual numbers are, but has the userbase shrunk so much that splitting it would really be that detrimental?

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10743

>>10742
Yes. The sole hope was a fresh start right here, but all we'll get is the status quo for the remainder of its life cycle. Fen's *so* burned about it, that he declines any option where he'd be solely in charge. Someone who cared so much about this that Macil's intransigence had him literally pulling out his hair, isn't the person we'll get caretaking for it. There are no other options that accomplish anything, and the situation is pointlessly hopeless and it's too late tbh. Terminal entropy death spiral and the only options to pull it out are active, engaged caretakers with managerial ability, and none of those options are either willing or are people they'd hand it to. Fuck.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10744

>>10742
You have discord or steam?

!pinkie78OsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10745

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>>10743

I dunno, I still say there's at least one option to make it work. Though it'd require the new site to basically not be pony-related.

I mean, if it's about just having a strong enough userbase to justify having a new site, then that seems like the way to go. Make an imageboard for something else, but encourage the users here who are sick of Ponychan moderation to head over anyway.

It's kind of a flimsy idea but still at least viable, if you ask me.

>>10744

I got a Discord, yeah.

Crona Makenshi#8459

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10746

>>10740
Astra has been oddly missing from everything for the last little bit. I heard he ran into lots of IRL troubles.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10747

>>10742
>>10743
Also I don't really understand the claim that the userbase is dying. Yesterday alone I counted 12 threads being made in /oat/, all by different people, and that was just on the front page.

Sweetie ViaPonyCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10748

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>>10745
Give up on ponies? Why even make a new site then? I'm sure there are plenty of non-pony sites you could all migrate too. Heck, there are a few pony sites you could migrate too as well.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10749

>>10746
>be astra
>be barely around, only really post in Story, flat out say 6 months ago there isn't even anything for you to do in your job as */rp/ mod*
>get admin'd, immediately start passing off all the work to Fen, disappear for the site anniversary, come back in time to repeatedly lie for macil to back him up in an incident, then suspend the best mod on the staff, then disappear again for almost 2 weeks so you don't have to deal with the fallout
4 stars

Sweetie ViaPonyCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10750

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>>10747
One of the current ones is making this thread for the purpose of bumping other threads down

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10752

>>10749
There isn't anything to do as a /rp/ mod because /rp/ never causes problems.

Pretty sure the only worked passed to Fen was the making of this thread.

I have no info on the validity of what Macil did, but uh.

>Busy with IRL troubles


Not sure if you read that part. I guess I'll just assume you didn't.

Heard a family member/close friend has been going through super tough times so he's helping them out.

But feel free to believe what you wish I suppose

>>10750
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10753

>>10752
What you're "pretty sure of" is wrong; but feel free to believe what you wish I suppose!

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10754

>>10753
>have direct confirmation that this is the only work passed off
>is wrong tho

ok

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10755

>>10754
>source for this claim?

!pinkie78OsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10756

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>>10746
>>10747

It might be more that there just isn't enough to justify making a new site anymore.

A few years back when MLP was still popular, and there was a chance of attracting new users (which is arguably more important), then yeah, sure. Nowadays, maybe not so much.

>>10748

See above for why.

MLP isn't as popular as it once was, so the potential for growth and bringing in new blood is lower than it has been. Which is what one would need to keep the site going, hence why we're running into this current problem.

Plus there's the community to consider. Some people only stick to this site because of the other users already here that they want to communicate with. For them, it probably wouldn't matter what the site is actually about, so long as they can still shitpost with the same people.

>>10752

Speaking as a frequent /rp/ user I can say this is basically true.

Aside from the occasional shitpost and spam stuff, but those are usually sitewide anyway, and rarely ever come near us.

But as for Astra, if there really is some kind of issue in his real life that's preventing him from doing his job, why doesn't he just say so? Just take like five minutes to pop in, say "hey I'm kinda busy with something serious right now so I can't be around as much", and that'd be that.

Passing it off to someone else and then expecting everyone else to rely on hearsay only contributes to all the mistrust and disbelief.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10757

>>10755
A PM with Fen. I won't share screenshots to protect both my, and his privacy.

>>10756
To be fair, he did say he was too busy to put time to this at the moment. And he apologized for that.

Now I also think that giving another update would be a good idea, I just disagree with everyone's claims that he's simply choosing not to put time here.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10758

>has posted in the rp server
>flirted at toybox in chan server
>m-muh real life problems 2much to do muh job
>>10757
Weird, I have many PMs with fen implying much the opposite, to the point he's actually let astra have it about how he's had to do all the admin work even after being forced into resignation while still being co-owner.
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Fenphone!GUARD5kv/UCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10760

>>10758
>>10757
Excuse me, but 'i let astra have it' by pointing out the fact people are directly asking me why i even quit and that he should post _something_ because otherwise the majority of modposts on the site are just me doing / saying things that i think need doing while he and macil are seen doing other shit.

I'm salty about the fact history seems to be repeating itself.
He's only directly asked me to make this thread.
Stop using me to score points in this drama.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10761

>>10760
Point of fact, you've been left to do the work, as usual. You don't want the role, so you don't decide how it's used in conjunction with this conflict.

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>>10757

OK, but busy with what?

I don't expect to get explicit details about what exactly he's doing, but just saying he's "busy" doesn't help much. That could mean basically anything and further contributes to the feeling that something isn't on the level.

Just saying that he's working or has some issue at home to deal with would be enough. It'd convey just how serious the matter is and give legitimacy to the idea that he really does care, as opposed to legitimizing the opposite that he doesn't.

>>10760
>>10761

Basically, Astra should stop expecting that other people acting as his mouthpiece is enough to satisfy those who want answers from him directly.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10763

>>10762
I mean, absence isn't even the only issue, but still. Not like the brief time he's done anything since getting the role has been any good anyways.

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Hey guys.

For those wondering at the lack of update, I haven't actually been able to get online for a week or so due to stuff going on at home. I probably could have posted that from my phone. That's my bad for not doing so.

As to why nothing is currently being done, I'm waiting on Macil to read through threads and get back to me on issues.

Specifically /pony/ /oat/ /chat/ stuff I outlined a week or so ago up top when that was going down, and I'm hoping that'll happen sometime today or tomorrow.

Along with that we'll be updating our appeals process, I won't get to into it right now since I haven't had a chance to talk to him, but it's something the majority of the staff feels is a good idea.

I'm out of the house for the weekend, so my posting is still gonna be rather sporadic until I'm back home.

Mewtini!LELnin/wowCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10776

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>>10775
Macil outright refused to leave /b/ and friends because the complaints here are "not important". So it's gonna have to be your job to do stuff given that Macil isn't going to provide oversight

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>>10776
If that was going to work Fen would have done it.
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Sweetie ViaPonyCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10779

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>>10775
>I'm waiting on Macil to read through threads and get back to me on issues.
>>10777
>If that was going to work Fen would have done it.

Sooo... You're waiting on something everyone, including you, knows isn't going to happen? You've been claiming to be too busy with your life for a month now, at least. >>10208 there it is. And that's only the time I've been watching for. Who knows when those claims actually started.

Dude, if you need a leave of absence, or don't have the time to be an admin for a site, that's perfectly understandable. But I think you owe it to the community to step down or put someone else in temporary charge of things so the site has an admin while you're super busy. You're leaving a void that is having a real detriment to your community here.

What do I know though? Carry on. This is all very exciting.

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>>10779
I'm busy, yes. but if an issue comes up that needs me here to solve then I'm available to the site staff or even the users.

Either through email or discord. Anyone can get in touch with me at any point in time.

Yes I'm busy, and I've been busy. I doubt I'll stop being busy.

However, the moment issues become solvable I'll put aside my personal life and make the time to get things done, which is exactly what I'm doing right now.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10781

>>10777
>>10776
Mewtini the difference was then Macil was actively hindering progress by simultaneously demanding to have final word on every issue for a community he was never a part of and also ignoring those issues. Now he's just passively hindering anything by either not being around or refusing to acknolwedge any issues exist, which due to Astra's absences has exacerbated everything. Even if Astra becomes present and Macil starts letting him or whoever do anything, the majority of the staff still resent the hell out of him, are either on the verge of quitting or just leaving, or were already barely doing anything in the first place; meanwhile, the *still* unaddressed BS in regard to Flutters aborted suspension and Macil *and* Astra's bs and lying about that entire incident has more than a few people with "lowest trust in the administration here ever" (as quoted from multiple staff), which is an incredible feat given what "ever" encompasses in our history. Meanwhile more users feel the bs and tension and stagnation and fade off from the site, or just outright decide to leave it for good as Lis did today, and all the small piecemeal changes in the world aren't going to stem that tide. Neither of these two are "going anywhere" which means neither is this last (very sad) era in the community's history; the 6 years of Ponychan's history and legacy and community left in the hands of some serialfag btard who disrespects the people who were working for this place before he was even ban evading on /b/, and an /rp/ mod who similarly barely ever left a serial as of late; the unfortunate and unforeseen outcome we didn't expect 2 years ago when everything seemed optimistic and we expected a small team of active, engaged long term members to caretake for it. In the end it's not discord or a specific rule or a board problem, it's the fish stinking from the head down, and even if Astra were me, the situation is relatively set in stone. It'd be easier to accept and just leave as well and hang out offsite with people like you that I like, but it's still pretty fuckin' maddening how much the whole deal has hurt people I care about like Fen, Flutters, Crimson et al. But "it is what it is", and the sunk cost just can't be made worth it.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10782

>or even the users
>even the users

Lmao jesus christ
And I thought macil was oblivious to how he sounds

It's alright though, at least you had time to +coins add and thirst at Toy and Seras in chats.
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>>10775
>>10780
>im not active and i never will be active but it's ok because you can email me and i might get back to you in a week or two
E
P
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☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10786

>>10780
No no no. That's not at all how this works, lad. You are the admin of this site, so you need to MAKE TIME to come here to hear complaints. I'm not going to waste time emailing you and I'm certainly not adding you on Discord because /site/ is the proper place to voice complaints and discuss the future of the site.

You can't just fuck off and tell people to email you. The site is your responsibility, so you need to come here and be responsible.

Or you and Macil can step down, find actually GOOD replacements, and go on e-fucking in your Discord.
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>>10786
/meta/
reeee

☲ Prince Ember Storm!SNowbAlLfoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10788

>>10787
You must be misreading things.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10792

>>10780
Dude if you don't have time just give it up. There are people who would do better. When you took over as admin did you think you'd end up being like Orange, but without the massive userbase to carry things?

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10793

>>10792
>we have two orange's now instead of just one

Mewtini!LELnin/wowCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10815

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>>10793
>tfw the leadership is so bad that you miss the actual Orange

!pinkie78OsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10817

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>>10780

If you seriously think that telling people to send you an email equates to you "always being here" then you really don't understand what people expect of you.

"Always being here" means you actually being here. Checking the site, checking the complaints on this board, even if they aren't really important you should still be looking at them.

As basically everyone else has already said, if you just can't devote that kind of time to the job, then give the job to someone who can. It only makes sense.

But you probably won't and will just keep things as they are because as far as you're concerned, everything is fine and we're just making a big deal out of nothing. So people getting more pissed off at you by your lack of attendance will just be brushed off as a vocal minority and nothing will change.

Fuck, no wonder Thony is so bitter.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10828

>>10817
>>10815

Hey Astra, look at this. Just saying, Pezz here. I'm embarrassed that I used to interact with you. If there was ever a time to start another chan to put people who care in charge, it was after you and Macil started running things. Worst administration this site has ever had. It's time for both of you to go, this place is crap but it still deserves better. No one cares if things are hard for you, you're not a martyr for "trying" even while you have stuff going on, you're just in a position that someone more fitting should be in. Please go, you don't belong here anymore.

🐈🐈UMR🐈🐈!SUCC/WBAqgCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10829

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I remember a few months ago we were supposed to get some new mods and make sure the ones left are actually doing their jobs. We eventually got like 2 janitors and that was the end of that.

Where are the new mods?

A lot of people are just going to assume you did what you always did and circlejerked about how nobody on this site is fit to perform mod duties while failing at your own duties. Doesn't look good.

Fenphone!GUARD5kv/UCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10831

>>10829
That was actually because more mods were deemed 'not needed' at the time after we talked about it.
We added janitors to handle an unsual amount of spam that eventually died off and made said janitors redundant.

🐈🐈UMR🐈🐈!SUCC/WBAqgCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10832

>>10831
You could use some more mods desu

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>>10831
Speaking of which, does my janitor account still exist?

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>>10866
No, I removed both of them awhile ago

Starshine!Laura/wmXMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 10871

>>10869
Coolio, makes sense.

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 11609

These issues don't feel totally resolved, to say the least.
/oat/ is mostly clean now, yet /chat/ still sometimes feels like it's just the dump for the couple threads that still happen.
Suggestions have been made, yet little has happened outside of Mikie's decisions.

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