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Season 9 Episode 13 Discussion Thread Marimo!!SpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830546

This thread is meant for discussing impressions on the episode Between Dark and Dawn during and after it airs.

Be mindful of saying spoilers before they show up on TV.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830547

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OK, I've waited three weeks to get into this episode. The downside of seeing leaks, I guess.

On the high side, we got a massive and overdue overdose of Luna and Celestia. So cute! The episode got off to a great start. We also got more panicked Twilight, though it felt a bit repetitive. Finally we got what will most likely be the last major appearance of Hoity Toity.

Now for the mixed bag. For those who missed the opening credit, the story was written by comic book author Gail Simone, who is a self declared pegasister and knows the show reasonably well given her command of the script.

She did give Luna and Celestia a ton of dialog that was snappy and insightful, though a tiny bit compressed due to the 22 minute run time of the episode.

The major disappointment of the story was the reliance on the same old panicked Twilight trope. It's as if no one wants Twilight or the others to realize how far they've come. It took Hoity Toity to trigger the epiphany in Twilight as to how to deal with the complexity of arranging a celebration for the birds. A very weak B plot.

Overall, a fun story with plenty of sun and moon butt having a good time.

7.5/10

Mint horseCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830549

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This episode is probably the worst of the season so far. I’m honestly tired of seeing the Princess act as if they were mentally deficient teenage girls, their supposed to be over a thousand year old diarchs, with almost demigod like status, not childish 14 year olds who couldn’t run a fucking nursery, never mind an entire nation for over a millennial!

You’d imagine that Celestia would at least be somewhat competent given the fact that she was the sole ruler of Equestria for just over a thousand years, as well fearing for her sister because of her dark past. Given that Luna broke down and almost enslaved the entire world in eternal night as well as forcing a harsh dictatorship on all of Equestria, solely because her sister was neglectful and didn’t spend enough time with her, you’d think that Celestia would be at least more concerned with her sisters mental health and abandonment issues, but in this episode she acts like a complete sociopath, ignoring her sister and only doing what she wants, until she eventually just completely abandons her, for completely selfish reasons, because she’d rather do what she wants than listen to her sisters concerns and corporate. That is a level of sociopathy that shouldn’t be possible.

You literally banished your sister to the moon by herself for a thousand years because your neglect drove her to madness, and now that she’s returned you’d rather act like a spoiled little filly than look after your extremely mentally unstable sister, to the point of fucking abandonment and neglect, again! Did you learn nothing during that thousand years!? How the hell do you keep the nation together when you’re so incompetent and sociopathic at keeping something like a personal relationship for going to complete shit!?

Don’t get me wrong Luna wasn’t the best in this episode either, in fact she acted almost equally as childish as Celestia. But at least in her case it’s understandable because of her background of neglect and social isolation. Celestia however has absolutely no excuse for acting the way she did towards Luna, or just in general.

This is why I’ve always argued that the Princesses should take a more background and relaxed role in the series. They should only be featured in season openings or endings, or on rare occasions where they’re actually relevant to the plot, like in Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep, which was a great Luna episode. The reason that Luna worked so well in that episode is because it wasn’t explicitly a Luna episode, but she was still extremely relevant to the plot, which gave her a lot of much appreciated screen time. She was regal, mature, commanding, respectful, but most important of all, she actually acted like a fucking adult, and a Princess.

A good example of bad Princess episode would be Horse Play. This episode doesn’t just happen to include Celestia as an important part of the plot, the whole thing revolves around her. And in that episode just like this one she’s a complete childish mess, that comes off more like a spoiled brat than a millennia plus year old diarch who rules over what is to our knowledge the most powerful nation on her world. In this episode the vainer of regalness and wisdom that emanates from the Princess is clearly shown as nothing more than a thin gold plating. She looks impressive from a distance, but up close she’s little more than child in the horseshoes of a Goddess. The Princes no clothes, in both a literal and figurative sense.

Look at an IRL example of a regal monarch in our Queen. The Queen doesn’t comment on politics, or just about anything for that matter, and she stays well in the back deciding to take a more reserved position from the public. She’s regal because she holds such a reserved stance, only making appearances and talking to the public when absolutely necessary, without saying a word more. It gives her a certain sense of professionalism and class that the Princesses, especially Celestia just don’t have.

Also just to finish my main criticism of this episode off. I find the side senses in which the main 6 struggle to set up the gala until they simply delegate everything down to someone to be quite fitting in hindsight. I imagine that Celestia has done nothing but delegate all of her royal duties down to her “inferiors,” because she clearly can’t handle even the simplest situation or bit of stress. Seems like she delegated away too many of her duties and got lazy and complacent for a few centuries. Hell she's spent the whole series delegating untold amounts of authority and power down to 6 young adults, to the point where she’s literally handing her very job over to them. (I wonder how Luna feels about that by the way. Having no power and being stuck on the moon for a thousand years because of Celestia, only to come back slowly regain her power, so that her sister can once again take all of said power away. Talk about a fucking buzzkill.)

Also as a funny little side note. All I could think about while watching this episode was the way the Princesses had their tails in a bun. Giving how high up their buns were it’s very clear that anyone walking behind them, or even besides them would have a perfect view of both of the Princesses pussies and anuses. I like to the think that the Princess were purposely revealing themselves to as many stallions possible, as part of some kind of kinky exhibitionist fetish. Imagine being a stallion standing directly behind Celestia or Luna for several long minutes in a line while having a perfect view of both Princesses fully exposed plots, that are mere inches away from your face. Ünf, notices your swollen clit!

1/10, the only reason that I’m not giving it 0/10 is because the song was quite decent, but other than that this episode was pure shit. Well... and all the fun I had imaging how all of those stallions, and mares must have reacted while standing behind or walking behind the two Princesses, ha ha! Someone has to write a fanfiction about that.

Anyway, here’s this episodes song, Lotta Little Things [FULL MUSIC VIDEO] - My Little Pony: FIM Season 9 Episode 13
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Nother NonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830550

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Kind of goofy, repeating familiar themes -- but executed with verve and flair and enthusiasm. Fun! Funny! And-- oh miracle of miracles -- a song with lyrics that scan (sort of) and actually rhyme! Not just rhymes, but a few clever rhymes! And alliteration!

You can't saunter on a sojourn hid behind castle walls,
You can't throw a throne down on a beach;
So we're gonna be absconding
To a little vagabonding,
And this bucket list is gonna be a peach!

So maybe it ain't Cole Porter-- but it's Fun With Words, after nine years in a desert of perfunctory phoned-in doggerel.

I grinned all the way through. 9/10.

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830551

The only thing I can say I liked about this episode was the nice influx of characterization for the princesses (with regards to their interests and little pleasures, rather than their, ugh, behavior...) and some really great background pony designs. Other than that... I mean there's not a lot to hate, but boy is it painfully obvious I'm watching a children's cartoon not meant to carry any kind of emotional weight or narrative meat. I feel like this is what people imagine the previous gens were like.

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>>36830549
>Imagine being a stallion standing directly behind Celestia or Luna for several long minutes in a line while having a perfect view of both Princesses fully exposed plots, that are mere inches away from your face. Ünf, notices your swollen clit!
>pic related

Nother NonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830553

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Can someone explain why Celestia is afraid of chickens?

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830555

The Mysterious Princess Spike-Do-Well.

5.5/10

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A fun episode, it was great seeing Celestia and Luna spending time with each other.

Samonuh!3GqYIJ3ObsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830561

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>>36830549
>This episode is probably the worst of the season so far. I’m honestly tired of seeing the Princess act as if they were mentally deficient teenage girls, their supposed to be over a thousand year old diarchs, with almost demigod like status, not childish 14 year olds who couldn’t run a fucking nursery, never mind an entire nation for over a millennial!

You hit the nail on the head. I'm usually very easy to please when it comes to MLP, but this is my least favorite episode in quite a long time. It's just embarrassing. The only good part was the last 30 seconds, which was pretty funny.

AustroSpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830566

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Another fucking weird episode.
Can't go into detail, gotta sort my thoughts. Some nice things, but as a whole felt pretty contrived.

Unlikeable ponyCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830585

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So much wasted potential. Like, I LIKE the idea of celestia doing a normal mundane pony day (See the manga they released recently which was INCREDIBLE), and I ALSO want episodes about the six learning to run equestria if they're taking over.

The problem is that Celestia and luna just running around like this without everyone freaking out irks my S1 self where everyone threw themselves on the ground at the sight of them, and the Thing that the mane six are doing is just abusrd and a monty python government type joke.
This episode could MASSIVELY have been improved if luna and celestia had first disguised themselves as mortal ponies with a spell.

that being said, celestia and luna fighting was decent, the mane six were still enjoyable (I'M DELEGATING!" actually got a chuckle out of me), and overall it was still enjoyable.
6/10

>>36830549
>that textwall

Gotta disagree. While I won't say its GREAT, I don't think its that bad. about a 6/10.

>>36830553
I think its just a random joke with no real explanation. That's my take on it.

RetroCheerileeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830599

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The song was fitting in Italian

Bollox!60EJwbmzEsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830604

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Celestia and Luna seemed to absorb some of their fandom personalities as time went on.


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