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Season 9 Episode 12 Discussion Thread Marimo!!SpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830502

This thread is meant for discussing impressions on the episode The Last Crusade during and after it airs.

Be mindful of saying spoilers before they show up on TV.

Mint horseCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830503

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Putting aside the politics for a second, this was not only a strong contender for the worst episode of this season, you could proudly put it up there with some of the worst in the entire show.

Overall this episode is boring and predictable, so boring and predictable that despite watching yesterday I completely forgot about half of the episode and had to go back and skim through it. Not to mention that we were just assaulted with 4 new characters who came out of completely nowhere, who we’ll likely never see again. (Or the “everycreature” shill at the end of the episode.)

The only thing that did surprise me was how superficial the big “LGBT” reveal was. Being generous, this is only one step above Lyra and Bon Bons “friendship” scene. All were told is that these are Scootaloos aunts, which could mean that their both literally her aunts, unless the show is trying to imply incest.

I’m generally not in favour of LGBT characters being in children’s media, at all, but if you’re going to do it you should at least do it properly. I don’t want to see any of this maybe they’re just aunts that happen to live together, maybe they’re eating each out the second Scootaloo back is turned. That kind of ambiguity is offensive to everyone, including the LGBT community. It’s 2019 “current year” virtually every show has at least one explicitly LGBT character, (in Steven Universe they make up like half the cast) I think we can expect the same from a show that only has ~10 episodes left. Again I’m not in favour of putting LGBT characters in children media, but if you are, you should at least do right.

I’m giving this 2/10, only because I’ve seen so many people give it 8/10 and unironically call it the best episode of this season so far, and possibly throughout. Even if you’re really pro LGBT rights, you should have higher standards than this.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830504

I’ve always said these horses were stupid, now I have to add they’re STUNNINGLY bad parents.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830505

Was gonna give it a 1/10 for putting Garbageshoes in the background, but it can be a 7/10. Scoot’s parents are fucking sociopaths. I’ve never heard of such bad parents.


>>36830503
It’ll be fun to watch the social media offense manufacturing machine duke it out with the (totally not closeted and cock starving) far right “Christians” for who hates the episode more.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830506

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>>36830503
>The only thing that did surprise me was how superficial the big “LGBT” reveal was.
This.

I saw the leaked episode two weeks ago and knew then that this was a nothingburger. They broke no new ground on the subject that wasn't hit already by Adventure Time, Steven Universe and Arthur.

>Putting aside the politics for a second, this was not only a strong contender for the worst episode of this season, you could proudly put it up there with some of the worst in the entire show.

Agreed.

Mint horseCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830507

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>>36830505
I highly doubt anything will come of this, considering how weak the “big reveal” was.

>>36830506
>pic related

Also could you leakfags please stop spoiling things for the rest of us? The only reason I watched this episode a day early was because you guys kept ramming it down my throat.

RetroCheerileeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830508

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G'day. With this only one ep left before the special.

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Overall, great episode and good wrap up for Scootaloo and the CMC in general. 9/10.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830514

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Legend says it has five claws and three wings and it's suuuper dangerous.

They also say it's as big as four cats and it's got a retractable leg so's it can leap up at you better. And it lights up at night and it's got four ears, two of them are for listening and the other two are kind of back-up ears. Its claws are as big as cups and for some reason, it's got a tremendous fear of stamps! Mrs Doyle was telling me that it's got magnets on its tail, so's if you're made out of metal it can attach itself to you and... instead of a mouth, it's got four arses!"

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830515

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Unlike Indiana Jones' school of archeology, adventuring pharmacognosy is a real career and just as exciting as racing Nazis to lost holy sites.

That was always my theory of Jill of the Jungle's backstory.
https://www.gog.com/forum/jill_of_the_jungle_the_complete_trilogy/backstory_theories

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830516

This episode is literally overflowing with garbage, everything about it. The conflict, the characters, the continuity, the resolution... I've literally never before now thought the voice acting was a major problem but here we are with this steaming pile.

It'd take too long to list everything here, but to maybe get some discussion going...
Remember how the major conflict was Scoots having to choose between her friends and town and "job" that she loves, and the family she's desperate to spend time with? Apparently the writers didn't, because halfway through she just no longer cares about being with her parents at all. She happily leaves them behind so she can stay, as if the conflict never existed.

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>>36830510
After rewatching it a few times I'll drop my rating to 7.5/10. It was really exciting to see Scoot's family but the episode dragged on a bit in the middle sector. Still, good episode.

Samonuh!3GqYIJ3ObsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830524

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>>36830503
You're not in favor of having characters who represent healthy relationships that exist in real life?
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Samonuh!3GqYIJ3ObsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830525

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I'm going to add that I literally did not catch on to Scoot's aunts being lesbians until I saw some of you complaining. I just assumed they were both her biological aunts who lived together. My biggest issue with the episode is that the ending was pretty unrealistic; I would have actually preferred to see the CMC cope with one of them moving away. That's a problem that kids actually face, and no kid will ever realistically convince their parents to not move.

On an unrelated note, was this the first time that Babs appeared in an episode since like S5?
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>>36830525
I think the lesson of the episode wasn't for the kids but for the adults watching it with them: Think about how you make your children feel when you force them to leave everything behind.

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>>36830524
Gay couples are perfectly normal - so them appearing in a show should not even be worth a shrug. Yes for some reason certain groups throw their shit when they show up.

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830528

>>36830525
Yeah I figured they were just sisters.

Samonuh!3GqYIJ3ObsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830529

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>>36830526
True, though I found it odd as well that her parents were okay with leaving her behind again, even if they are accessible by train.
>>36830527
Yep. I find it strange how someone can simultaneously watch a little girls' cartoon and retain conservative beliefs.

AustroSpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830530

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Hmm there goes another let's blow up a barrel filled with ancient fanon fuel, always feels weird.
I saw some good in it, but overall the execution and some details were meh and apparently Scoot's parents are full retards, thank god she was raised by lesbian horses and mysterious anonymous mares. Giving accents in a serious episode just for a stupid reference is also a bad idea.
Also missed a golden chance to call Dashie out, who insisted Scoots stay without giving any thought when she herself moved away from her hometown for no compelling reason known yet.

>>36830529
Like any memetic system "conservative beliefs" are not a buy the whole package or leave it altogether.

>>36830525
>I would have actually preferred to see the CMC cope with one of them moving away
Sure, but not in an underwhelming fashion like that.

Samonuh!3GqYIJ3ObsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830532

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>>36830530
From what I've observed throughout all 9 seasons, pony parents in Equestria generally don't seem too attached to their children.Twilight also moved away from her parents when she was young. So did Pinkie, I believe? And Sweetie Belle doesn't live with her parents either. It's honestly pretty rare to see a "normal" pony family in Equestria beyond the Cakes and Shining Armor/Cadence. I'm wondering if that explains Rainbow Dash's attitude and Scootaloo's parents' decision to leave her behind.
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>>36830532
Absolutely IMO. I think it's the simple fact that young ponies are more self-sufficient early on so the elders don't have to breathe down their backs constantly.

Just take for example that no one cares that the CMC took long train rides all on their own with no eldult ponies being bothered by it (including the conductor). The CMC rushed into the Everfree Forest with no one stopping them, Scoots tried to join a stunt team with no one interfering. The CMC can run their own summer camp without any adult supervision...

AustroSpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830534

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>>36830532
>>36830533
Well yeah. If only that changed the context of the episode really.

Nother NonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830535

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No matter what kind of a retcon you slap on this episode, it's still a steaming bushel of horse apples. Scootaloo's parents have a child. Were they living in that house in Ponyville when she was born? If so, they decided to abandon their own lives and run off to experiment with being jungle explorers, leaving their crippled child ALONE IN THE EMPTY HOUSE, with an aunt dropping by occasionally to bring some food. Were they already jungle explorers when the foal was born? If so, they deal with her by buying an empty house in Ponyville, sticking the handicapped child in it, and asking an aunt living in a DIFFERENT town to drop in occasionally. Revisiting Ponyville to reclaim the daughter they abandoned, they carelessly release an equicidally dangerous animal they're toting along, which bursts into an elementary school and starts destroying furniture in an effort to eat children -- and everyone is okay with that. Really?

Why is this pair of sociopaths still at large in society?

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830536

>>36830532
Doesn't Sweetie live with her parents though? I think on the occasions she's not staying at their house, she's staying at Rarity's.

Samonuh!3GqYIJ3ObsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830537

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>>36830533
That fucking picture. lol
>>36830535
To be fair, the episode didn't say they were good parents.
>>36830536
I forget.

Mint horseCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830538

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>>36830518
One of my main problems with this episode and a lot of this season so far is the fact that the show seems to be shoehorning in as many new characters and concepts as possible, as well as breaking away from previously established, or at least assumed canon.

When I see episodes like this all I can think about is how many fan fictions have been destroyed, and how much this will affect future fan fictions, to the point where some might just not be written at all. Especially when a show like this is ending, sometimes not telling a story cam go a lot further than shoehorning one in, along with 4 new continuity breaking characters, you know just to add insult to injury.

This is likely the only time we’ll get to see Scootaloo’s parents, and in the short amount of time that we did see them they were extremely neglectful and showed absolutely no concern for Scootaloo, almost to the of abuse. Her aunts were a lot better, but they were only included to garner that last minute controversy and attention for the show, before everything was finally wrapped up. And as I said before, they’re “big reveal” was underwhelming to say the least. They were all forced in because the writers wanted an “edgy” and “controversial” excuse to end the CMC’s story arch, nothing else.

Introducing an interesting concept into the show doesn’t automatically make for a good episode, you actually have to build an interesting story around it.

>>36830524
From a plot perspective, I don’t really care, in fact I think it could make for a really interesting story, if it was done properly.
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