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Season 9 Episode 8 Discussion Thread Marimo!!SpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830360

This thread is meant for discussing impressions on the episode Frenemies during and after it airs.

Be mindful of saying spoilers before they show up on TV.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830361

Dog. This episode was fucking outstanding.

9.5/10.

Nother NonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830362

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Not a bad idea for a song. Lame words and uninspired music. Too bad. It would be great to have one really good song in this last season.

But what a great script! Every line was crisp, clever, and charged with character development. I can hardly wait for the follow-up. Like Cozy Glow, I love a good backstabbing...

Nother NonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830363

Looking at the OP image, I'm struck by the great color contrast between the Three Frenemies. Could the showmakers have planned this years back?

AustroSpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830364

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First the opener, now this. Feels good mane.

Marimo!!SpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830366

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Fun episode! Wonder if we'll be getting another follow up on the villains before the finale.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830367

>>36830366
I’d like one more before the finale.

Nother NonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830368

The voice acting in this episode was outstanding.

Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830369

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Excellent, best of the season so far.

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830371

God damn, talk about fresh. This episode works on so many levels, and I love the developments. This could be the best episode in years.

Nother NonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830372

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Is it possible? Unanimous applause on Ponychan?!

Marimo!!SpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830373

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Anyone else get Team Rocket vibes from our villainous trio (with Grogar taking the role of the Boss, Giovanni)?

AustroSpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830374

>>36830372
Give it time...

Samonuh!3GqYIJ3ObsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830375

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>>36830372
NO. I GIVE IT 0/10.

jk

Mint horseCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830376

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This was by far the best episode of the season, and definitely one I'll come back to watch. 10/10 episodes 10/10 song. 'A Better Way to Be Bad' Music Video 😈 MLP: Friendship is Magic | #MusicMonday

I can't wait to see where they take these characters.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830377

I would like it if over the course of the rest of the season they become such good friends they get their own rainbow laser of death.

Samonuh!3GqYIJ3ObsCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830378

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RetroCheerileeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830379

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Good

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830381

But does anyone feel like actually talking about the episode?

Nother NonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830382

>>36830381

Sure. I think Cozy Glow's snarled "This is NOT the real me! I am cute and lovable!"" is one of the deepest pieces of character portrayal in the whole series. What a complicated belief to hold!

I didn't care for the song. I thought the music was unmemorable, the lyrics were the usual MLP:FIM doesn't-quite-rhyme mess, and the characters of the three baddies weren't kept as sharply distinct as they should have been (or as they are in the prose part of the script).

The unexpected capacity of Tirek and Chrysalis for self-sacrifice was touching. It showed that the ability to give without taking, which is what redeemed the rest of the changeling hive, is inherited from Mommy. I loved Chrysalis's sudden awakening to the looming horror of friendship (something we have seen from her before). I loved the explanation of the adaptive value of changeling cocoons. I loved Cozy Glow's childish disgust at the facts of (untransformed) changeling biology. I loved the non-magical craft, ingenuity, and artistry that Tirek displayed, and the fact that its only objective was to make himself a chaise longue to squat on.

How's that for openers?
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Marimo!!SpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830383

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They don't seem to do the voice deepening effect to Tirek anymore as he grows. He seems to keep his regular voice, compared to how he sounded after absorbing the magic of all three races in Twilight's Kingdom.

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830386

>>36830382
What I like most is how many interesting doors this opens. Maybe they'll try to betray Grogar and fail, maybe they'll embrace friendship and help save the day in some way, maybe they'll even manage to use their teamwork to own the mane six! So many options means no particular one seems too predictable.

The execution of the episode does honestly leave some to be desired, but I was very happy with the concept behind it (same feelings on the song). While I liked the villains in their own scenes, I have to say they have no chemistry whatsoever. They aren't worse together, but they aren't any better either. They aren't playing off each other in any meaningful way, save for some small chit chat around the campfire (a scene that definitely could have been more substantial). I'm surprised no one has asked why Cozy Glow is even there at all. It's an episode filled with fun and clever ideas, while the scenes and dialogue are... passable.

Marimo!!SpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830387

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>>36830386
>Maybe they'll try to betray Grogar and fail, maybe they'll embrace friendship and help save the day in some way
I'd like it if by the end they make it out the whole Grogar thing still free, but also still unreformed, maybe even continuing the Legion of Doom thing as a trio (hence my team Rocket comparison earlier), showing how even if the show has ended and the mane six have beaten the oldest evil known to Equestria, there will still be villains out there that they'll have to face.

Unlikeable ponyCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830388

>>36830361
Agreed that it was good. that being said, I gotta take points off for the music being poor.

>>36830363
I will also say, I think their group could badly use a fourth member for more banter. It feels more like a two man group with a team pet kind of deal, since Cozy glow SERIOUSLY isn't an equal in any way shape or form to the other two.

>>36830366
I hope so, the whole "lets figure out a plan to betray Grogar" thing really feels like it needs something else to move it along before a finale IMO.

>>36830383
I noticed that too, and bit dissapointed. Honestly, I feel like he should have his deep voice in his current form since he's semi-grown. The old mannish voice just feels off.

>>36830387
TBH, I'll be surprised if they keep Grogar as the actual Final villain for this season and not something else the other 3 end up unleashing by accident trying to overthrow him.

he just doesn't come off as nearly evil enough for "Final villain" material, more grumpy than anything. Like if there was something sealed inside that bell that acted as his power source or something.


>>36830360
One thing I will say I disliked was how Tirek cowered in fear from the Ophiotaurus.
While the whole "Whoever burns its entrails gains the power to kill the gods" thing is neat, it ITSELF didn't have the actual power to do that in myth, being more of a loot pinata/macguffin that was denied to the titans, and it didn't look that intimidating given how Tirek was basically as big as it was.

Cozy I'm fine with cowering from it, but I would have expected more from Tirek, the villain who brought equestria to its knees twice before. Heck, even a line with Cozy telling him to do something and him saying "Screw that, its a (Ophiotaurus), its venom can kill even a (Insert whatever here) to give a decent excuse.

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830395

>>36830388
Oh thanks, I was this close to just calling it a Boviper.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830403

Wow, this is the best parody yet. This is legit 10/10 lol

MLP Season 9 In a Nutshell: Ep. 8 "Frenemies"

Unlikeable ponyCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830408

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On another note, I guess friendship is officially the Rootbeer at this point.
DS9 Garak drinks root beer (The Way of the Warrior)

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>>36830408
It's revolting!

Unlikeable ponyCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830412

>>36830410
But if you drink enough of it... you start to like it.

!gEapIYWEa2Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830597

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So Cozy thinks she's cute and lovable. No, no Cozy wants to be cute and lovable. She actually wants to be that way. As opposed to wanting to be a spiteful, evil jerk, and only putting on a pretty face out of necessity. I would have thought when Tirek said he knew her true nature she'd just smirk evilly, glad for a chance to finally be proud of her dickishness. But instead, Cozy blew her top and denied it. If... someone could wave a magic wand and grant her wish, it certainly would be to rule Equestria, but if she had the choice to also stop getting so angry, and actually be cute and lovable, Cozy Glow would actually take that option?

It just seemed ...weird. Like >>36830382 said. Most villains are only nice because they have to be, to manipulate others. They don't usually want to be nice.


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