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Season 9 Premiere Discussion Thread Marimo!!SpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830043

This thread is meant for discussing impressions on the season premiere, The Beginning of the End Parts 1 & 2, during and after it airs.

Be mindful of saying spoilers before they show up on TV.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830044

I haven’t even once rewatched the season 8 finale. It just wasn’t that good.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830045

The writers are really good at small dialogue moments, and DHX somehow gets better every year at adding to scenes.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830046

Holy shit they’re calling out the Worfing of the princesses!

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Shouldn’t Tirek know Grogar?

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>>36830047
Called it

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/mlp/ is going to hypernova into a category 5 hurricane of alt right faux outrage

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boom

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Well, thread of myself, what did we think?

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>>36830051
It was pretty good. I knew Discord was faking, so that turned an overly cheesy moment into something funny. Pretty well written episode.

8/10

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The premier of Season 9 wasn't disappointing at all. A solid story and well executed. Not as rushed as I feared it might have been. I'm looking forward to how the rest of the season story arc plays out now.

8.5/10

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Fun opener. Nothing embarrassingly sappy or stupid in the script, though the ending was a bit sugary. The major flaw: goats are just not scary. They make weird noises and chew their regurgitated barf and think bitter and evil thoughts as they look at you out of those mail-slot pupils. But they're not scary, or at least this version of Grogar isn't. It takes real artistic imagination, and more than a whiff of the Satanic, to make a goat an object of fear.

We saw the usual problem with trying to shoehorn too many plot points into the limited time available. Sombra's whole I-am-your-worst-fears shtick was underdeveloped to the point of unintelligibility.

I'm enjoying the recurrent paper-bag thing with Twilight. I liked the way Cozy Glow was developed. There was also some important character development on Discord, and John De Lancie did a terrific job with the lines he was given; but I thought the animators could have been more imaginative about the manifestations of his powers.

But it was nice to see Celestia and Luna coming to the rescue for once, if only in a last hurrah. I'm looking forward to the ongoing struggle between the Foul Four and the Mane Six ... or Eight, or Nine, or Thirteen...
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>>36830055
Also, I relished the open reflection on the fact that Luna and Celestia have been uniformly useless in previous crises. What was with Grogar's Mystic Goat Eyeball object?
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And so another season opening hype over.

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Something that has stuck with me all afternoon:
The Tree of Harmony has been shown in previous seasons to be sentient, can defend itself, and has the ability to astral project and communicate with others. And Sombra just straight up killed it. This marks the first time in FiM history that a good guy has been killed. I thought that the writers were going to pull a fast one and have the entire events be a further manifestation of Sombra’s “your worst fear” spell used against the Mane 6 at the beginning of part 1, but no. It all happened, the Tree is dead.

Overall very good opening. Liked the dialogue (Discord was enjoyable, liked Dash saying the princesses never helped in the past). Didn’t like the design of Grogar. Not intimidating at all, especially for a guy Tirek is supposedly afraid of. Also, how does Chrysalis know all the bad guys of Equestria past and present?

Looking forward to how the rest of the season plays out. 9/10.
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This start make me hype for the finale.
Also I am sure it's not Grogar finale form either

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Pretty good start, and gives us an idea of what to expect by the end, likely the full coronation of Twilight and friends as the new rulers. Wonder if the power burst at the end is something that will develop into them fully being able to control it, like the Rainbow Power, or if they may develop their own Elements of Harmony to replace the ones created by the Pillars.

Sombra on his own managed to wreck a lot of chaos, to the point I think it really made up for people who didn't like how he just stood outside the Crystal Empire during the season 3 premiere, and it raises the expectation of what Grogar's group as a whole can do. Plus I like Cozy in this group role more than as a solo villain. Despite having no powers, she clearly has a role in being the one to actually try and make this team up work since she at least understands friendship, and it felt fun seeing her trying a compliment circle with her, Tirek, and Chrysalis.

>>36830058
>Also, how does Chrysalis know all the bad guys of Equestria past and present?
The comic origins say that she was really old. I know the comic's state of being canon has to be taken with a grain of salt, especially since the show just contradicted Sombra's fate, but best explanation we have for now.

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Of course Discord knows better than to fully cut loose, and it's not simply because solving everypony's problems for them would be lame.

Unicron Theme - The Lord of Chaos (orchestral remix)

Though it physically hurt to see Sweetie Belle, Moon Dancer, Cheerilee and Apple Bloom brainwashed. Being rainbow lasered was too good for him.

And the Tree of Harmony had only achieved sentience a little while ago... .·´¯`(>▂<)´¯`·.
Adagio for Strings (Samuel Barber)
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OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830062

Sigh... At least Discord seems to get it, that's why he's by far the best and only worthwhile part of this premiere. He understands that by this point it's all predictable, it's all pointless, it's all so "easy" and "obvious". He knows how it works, we've all seen it a million times. I think he must be deliberately cast as an audience stand-in, and he does a decent job of it. But he can't hold up the entire premiere, and without anything else to work with I give it a 4/10.

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>>36830059
>Also I am sure it's not Grogar finale form either
You’re probably right.

>>36830060
>The comic origins say that she was really old
I’ve only read a few of the comics. Not any of the Chrysalis origin stories. I’d have to take your word. But it seems weird she’d know formal titles like king and lord. I dunno, seems like someone with so much knowledge would be a more effective villain. She was literally in the woods talking to logs when this started.

>>36830062
I agree with you about Discord being an audience stand in, but what we got was not the standard and predictable TSPH format: the Elements failed, Sombra straight up murdered the Tree, Twilight was shell shocked and ineffective as a leader while her friends did a last stand charge, they decided to stop the Everfree Forest instead of saving Canterlot (and failed!), they couldn’t defeat the brainwashed citizens and had to teleport past them, and they relied on Discord to fight Sombra for them. Yes, at the end Sombra had to taste the rainbow like so many other baddies, but I would say that the journey to the end was far from formulaic for FiM.
The ONLY thing predictable about this episode was Twilight and company saved the day. But there was no reformation of Sombra, the Tree of Harmony is dead, and the end was Celestia basically saying Twilight is ready, but not really ready.
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>>36830063
>The ONLY thing predictable about this episode was Twilight and company saved the day.
I think you should probably watch more of the show. Even the other characters were pointing out the story beats. "Twilighting" could very well describe the entire premiere start to finish.

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Pretty good opener. Though I'm getting a little tired of Twilight's constant doubt in her own abilities and strengths.

7.5/10

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>>36830047
Apparently he's older or something; which is kind of weird since they're pulling out this stuff about him being there since the founding of equestria, which opens up alot of fridge logic.

>>36830051
9/10.
I was very pleasantly surprised. While I had my doubts about sombra's mannerisms, the fact that he was LITERALLY used as basically a failure villain actually worked in his dopey voice's favor.
he's essentially a minion of the real big bad with delusions of grandeur who exists to go get himself fucked up as a warning to the others. And he works INCREDIBLY well at that; I'm actually sad that Grogar didn't bring him back at the end, because him constantly posturing as a miles glorious would have played off Grogar and the others wonderfully.
He's got alot of power but despite that is still a bit of an idiot who's full of hot air; He literally broke down in a tantrum at the end. fits very well. That being said, I really liked the comic version better.

Honestly, all the character chemistry in this one was great. The way the other villains hate cozy glow and the fact that literally NONE of them have any respect for her is great, and Chystalis's random shouting is entertaining.


The only thing I disliked was Grogar himself. He really just... doesn't seem intimidating, yeah? He's just too grumpy sounding and not evil. Its like Cranky doodle is leading the villains.

>>36830063
>>36830059
I hope not.

>>36830060
>The comic origins say that she was really old.
True, but this episode seems to throw out all comic canon, given Sombra in this one.

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Great stuff! Of course we get our asspulls and logical flaws here and there, but I am both used to it and can overlook it. Got a bit tired of "oh no we can't do it, but oh yes we do got friendship actually *lasers you away*" and I hope we get a better delivery or a different heroines' struggle at the finale.
Still, the council of evil (old fanart anyone?), Sombra's powertrip and example setting, Discord's shenanigans, the constant trolling, I enjoyed it. Hoping to see the villains' actions more often than just in the finale.

>>36830066
>Its like Cranky doodle is leading the villains.
Now that would be a twist

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>>36830069
>he's been hiding out in ponyville these last 1000 years
>He spares pinkie for getting him laid

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>>36830066
>The comic origins say that she was really old.
>True, but this episode seems to throw out all comic canon, given Sombra in this one.
I did acknowledge that.

>>36830060
>The comic origins say that she was really old. I know the comic's state of being canon has to be taken with a grain of salt, especially since the show just contradicted Sombra's fate, but best explanation we have for now.

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830073

Here's something interesting I couldn't help but notice. In the last season premiere, I was sure they'd play off the movie like it never happened, yet they went out of their way to exclaim that it was all canon. This time however, they seem to have switched sides and put the movie aside, in terms of both the Storm King as a villain and as one of their many world saving adventures.

Course, I'm sure everyone would have preferred if Grogar brought the sirens back, eh~?

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>>36830073
Storm King's dead. Like not even "dispelled into the ether" like Sombra originally was, he was turned to stone and shattered, so he's probably definitively dead. Plus on the technical side, the show staff probably wouldn't be able to afford bringing in any of the stars they got for the movie characters like Liev Schreiber, and also seem reluctant to recast characters (like how instead of Skystar from the movie, we got Silverstream, her cousin).

And for the scene where they were talking about their past adventures, they also left out mentioning Nightmare Moon then, even if she and Daybreak make an appearance later on.

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>>36830074
Yeeeah, how does Twilight know about something Starlight made up in her dreams...? Did she start drawing fanart and post it in her room?

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>>36830075
>Did she start drawing fanart and post it in her room?
More likely than you'd think. Also she might have told her about it.
>>36830073
>I'm sure everyone would have preferred if Grogar brought the sirens back
>o.g. sirens
>not in their cute human form
No I'm good actually.

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>>36830073
They were still selling movie toys bigtime last season as their top sellers, so it would pay to advertise. Plus they needed that info to explain seaponies.

Storm king himself would have required them getting the VA for him, and that'd be pricey :p
>>36830074
>Storm King's dead.
To be fair the "dispelled into the ether" is something they said THIS episode, never before, so him not being dead is kind of a retcon.
They could easily add in a line saying something about how you can't be killed if you're turned to stone, only when you're turned back (since the damage wouldn't take effect until the spell was undone), so he could simply be put back together and unstoned.

that being said, like you said, he'd be too expensive.

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36830083

Another observation:
They made something of a show of Discord not being vulnerable to brute force magic, and his ability to solve the conflict instantly if he wanted to. This tells me that Grogar must have some plan to neutralize Discord, rather than just hit him with magic or hope he stays out of it like he often will. Discord's presence, and defeat, in the finale has been all but assured by the narrative.

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>>36830083
Discord can be taken out by Tirek if he's strong enough, its more sombra was just the shallow end of the villain pool. They even seem to downplay his brute magical force a bit in favor of focusing on his Mental enchantment powers.

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>>36830075
Maybe Daybreaker exists in some root form other than just Starlight's dream? Hmm

>>36830058
>the Tree is dead
Long live the tree.
As far as i'm concerned this ends the arc of the show. In s5 when i came into this fim thing, i wanted to know more about the Tree and its formative mystique and i didn't like it being "planted" by crochety old meanies and i don't like it being shattered.

In short, i understand now what it means to have headcanon destroyed by canon. To me the Tree was a god, possibly the origin of everything and i loved its showing its sentience last season and it being marginalized, and pissed away like this just bites. I wonder, is its sentience lost? Can the table still function or is that over too now?

----

Grogar is G1. Long live G1.

Looks like Ika is out of jail.

Tia remains too busy then, to attend to her waifu duties for me.

Well, looks like our final season is laid out before us as a fighting run and seems Sombra is now finished, again for realsies. His voice seemed wrong.

I wonder what will be left of G4 at the end of this season. It's not looking like a happy ending so far.

Edit: forgot to mention, whats with the rainbow magic simply being forgotten, now replaced with friendship magic actually existing for real and being useful. Obviously all that needs happen is to kidnap or kill 1 pony and the gestalt is broken.
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>>36830086
>In s5 when i came into this fim thing, i wanted to know more about the Tree and its formative mystique and i didn't like it being "planted" by crochety old meanies and i don't like it being shattered.
Agreed, that's not uncommon to dislike the explanation for the tree.

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>>36830084
While true, I hate to think they'd go that lazy route again. Discord was deceived that time, after all.

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>>36830086
>Obviously all that needs happen is to kidnap or kill 1 pony and the gestalt is broken.
You'd make a good villain! Would be dope if they try to horsenap each Mane 6 or at least to lure them away, like with the Shadow Bolts but better.

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>>36830086
>>36830092
Well... They tried that in the comics under that exact logic, they couldn't use the elements when one is turned against them. But then they literally just did it anyway and shot friendship lasers until they won.

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I thought it was a decent season opening. My one issue:

Perhaps I'm not recalling things correctly, but wasn't there a time early on in the show (thinking Season 1 or 2) where the elements of harmony were destroyed, and then the Mane 6 realized they could still band together to defeat their enemy? If my memory is correct about this, why were the Mane 6 freaking out when the elements were yet again destroyed?

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>>36830096
Very premier of the show. Nightmare moon shatters them to pieces, but twilight has an epiphany and realizes her friends represents them, at which point the shattered EOH reform.

That being said, that was Back when we had faust, and they've ditched a TON of what she had envisioned, and they've been steadily nerfing how the EOH are depicted over time.

Specifically in this situation they've tried to establish that the EOH are derived from the tree of harmony, and so by destroying the tree they made the elements also worthless (When nightmare moon also shattered the elements but not the tree, kind of like destroying a computer monitor but leaving the computer tower running)

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>>36830097
I suppose there is a logical explanation. I just wish our Mane 6 had enough confidence by now to realize that they don't need the physical elements. It's been 8 years!

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>>36830097

It's a bit different now that the elements had achieved sentience.

Did Tirek just flat out murder Treelight Sparkle?

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>>36830100
Well they just now did. And story wise, keeping the elements as physical objects that they need to be in possession of to use helped keep some sort of challenge whenever someone evil showed up. I imagine they're only now working on the idea of them having that kind of power inside since it's the final season. Sombra was the guinea pig, and I imagine Grogar and his legion will be the final test against its power.

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Sorta related, but how the heck did Sombra survive getting blasted by the elements themselves in the first place? I first assumed he was dispelled again, and Grogar brought him back again, to destroy the elements. But no he was just... faking being beaten by them? They didn't actually do anything?

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>>36830103
He was reduced to smoke, which was still enough for him to reform. Later on they didn't even leave any smoke. Kind of reminds me of the character Buu from Dragon Ball Z, who was able to reform even when he was turned into smoke and they had to destroy him on a molecular level.

It is possible that either they didn't take Sombra as seriously the first time, this shows the difference in power between using the Elements and focusing on their own power, or maybe Grogar gave Sombra some extra protection for his first defeat since he was originally supposed to return and submit to Grogar when he couldn't take over the Crystal Empire but instead tried again, this time trying to take all of Equestria.

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>>36830104
I was more thinking cell myself.

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>>36830097
>the EOH are derived from the tree of harmony, and so by destroying the tree they made the elements also worthless

In Twilight’s Kingdom, Luna says alicorn magic cannot just disappear and they have to transfer it to Twilight, the element of magic. It could be that the EoH work like alicorn magic and cannot just be destroyed even if the tree is. Perhaps the magic of the elements was transferred to those who represent the elements or maybe they all went to the element of magic. Twilight was the only one who did go all wavy hair - only seen by the power alicorns Luna and Celestia. And she didn’t do that when using the physical elements in part 1.

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>>36830111
Also possible the tree's sentience that we saw in What Lies Beneath transferred to Twilight's castle. Like maybe the creation of the castle also served as the tree's backup body.

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>>36830112
In The Cutie Re-mark, The map is present in all futures. Twilight also says the map is connected to the Tree of Harmony.

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One more thing, does anyone else find it weird that LUNA would be retiring? Not only did she basically just recently get back from 1000 years of uh, not doing much, but she hardly does anything at all even now!

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>>36830114
She's already had enough of all those lewd pony dreams she has to witness.

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>>36830065
>tired of Twilight's constant doubt in her own abilities and strengths

Doubts were justified. The day was saved thanks to the Two Sisters and Starswirl.

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>>36830118
>already had enough of all those lewd pony dreams

If only that were true of the fandom...

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>>36830119
>>36830065
And to be perfectly fair, it was ONE HUNDRED PERCENT justified to think them just up and leaving in a single day without a transition period isn't retarded.

This is a system of government, you need to coach twilight on running things too besides just being a magical beatstick. Not to mention the whole question of who is going to do the two of their jobs when they're gone (See Dash's "OOH, DIBS ON GOING INTO PEOPLE'S DREAMS!" part.)

I kind of wish we could get a couple episodes this season of them training twilight or the others on the ins and outs of some stuff besides just "Kill badguy with rainbow".

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>>36830119
Not really. It was saved by Discord who got the main six to get their acts together. Once they powered up the usual magic wave just reset everything anyway, making the sisters' and Starswirl's toils void.

After all they have accomplished they really should have more confidence in their abilities, especially Twilight.

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>>36830124
Or maybe just memory of their abilities...
Twilight wields several dozen magical spells and tricks, but if lasers don't work she resorts to digging with her hooves.

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>>36830125
She probably realized magic wouldn't get them out. Remember last time Sombra trapped Twilight in crystal, and she couldn't use magic to get out? Even a teleport spell just brought her back in there.

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>>36830125
Well, that made sense IMO; e.g. she wasn't able to just teleport out of the crystal cage last time.

Still, at least she's consistent with forgetting her skills in dangerous situations.
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>>36830126
>>36830127
I'm just saying that if she can harvest a dozen trees at once, would she really not have a better way of digging through dirt? Would the dirt have repelled her magic too?

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>>36830128
Personally, I think digging with their hooves in the dirt is much better symbolically for the scene than just using magic. A common thread between the princess' retirement plot line and Sombra is overcoming fear, and the digging of dirt by hoof shows the grit and determination that Twilight has to continue facing the challenge, followed by all her friends also joining in to help dig by hoof to show their determination. There may be a more logical side to just using magic, but it misses the emotional side and the part that connects back to how Twilight can overcome these obstacles with her friend's help. Not to mention magic tied in with the theme of friendship and overcoming one's self doubts and fears is ultimately used to defeat Sombra, so rather than using magic to solve a problem for both the start of Part 2 and the end of Part 2, it's a physical solution at the start and magic at the end, showing more variety in ways friendship can manifest to solve problems.

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>>36830129
That's sweet and all but they still could have done it in a way that isn't stupid. Maybe they couldn't dig out, and had to ram their bodies into those rough crystals until they shattered. Wouldn't that be even more symbolic of overcoming being trapped?

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>>36830130
Would be hotter anyway

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>>36830130
Not really. At that point both actions are already physical, but I think the digging part would actually be smarter since it seems more doable and would require less brute force. Trying to smash the crystals would require pure physical strength while the digging would be more about stamina and determination, and we wouldn't get something like Rarity's "Show me the money" bit, which while comedic also does more to show how much she's willing to do anything even get dirty to get out, which wouldn't be conveyed the same way by just charging the crystals.

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>>36830132
>the digging part would actually be smarter since it seems more doable
Not if they arbitrarily can't do it, which would explain why they can't use magic to dig through.

>which wouldn't be conveyed the same way by just charging the crystals
It would show that she's willing to do anything even football tackle crystals to get out.

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>>36830133
>Not if they arbitrarily can't do it, which would explain why they can't use magic to dig through.
Not everyone can use magic to dig (even Rarity needs mining tools or Spike). If Twilight does all the digging with magic, then the scene loses how everyone else joins in. And if everyone joins in while Twilight is just using magic, then it looks unbalanced as Twilight using magic doesn't convey the same amount of effort as having to go in and dig with your hooves.

>It would show that she's willing to do anything even football tackle crystals to get out.
A major part of Rarity's character is how she hates being dirty though. That would normally matter to her much more than just not wanting to use physical force.

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>>36830134
>If Twilight does all the digging with magic, then the scene loses how everyone else joins in.
You're right, digging was stupid to begin with.

>A major part of Rarity's character is how she hates being dirty though. That would normally matter to her much more than just not wanting to use physical force.
But you forget that a major part of Rarity's character is avoiding brute force. That would matter to her much more than just not wanting dirt on her hooves.

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>>36830135
>But you forget that a major part of Rarity's character is avoiding brute force.
She kicked a manticore in the face in only the second episode of the show. Even if we know she doesn't prefer using brute force, we know she dislikes dirtiness a lot more because that comes up a lot more in the show.

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>>36830136
How much is "a lot more"? They're both established dislikes, but they don't pop up like all the time.

Either way, I don't understand what you're even trying to get across, because no matter what you think about how the narrative symbolizes its message, you haven't bothered to address the actual problem I pointed out: Twilight could have just dug out with magic.

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>>36830137
>How much is "a lot more"? They're both established dislikes, but they don't pop up like all the time.
Rarity's dislike of getting dirty comes up a lot more and tends to have more weight to it when she does let herself get dirty. Like a specific example, in Sisterhooves Social it's supposed to be a big deal and meaningful that she willingly spent the whole race covered in mud just to spend time with Sweetie Belle. Can't recall her just using physical force being used the same way.

>Either way, I don't understand what you're even trying to get across, because no matter what you think about how the narrative symbolizes its message, you haven't bothered to address the actual problem I pointed out: Twilight could have just dug out with magic.
Well first off, I don't think we've even seen Twilight use a spell that would necessarily help with digging like some terraforming spell. She may be good at telekinesis, but for dirt would she have to move the entire ground since it's packed together or pick up individual bits of dirt like grains of sand in a desert, which could take a while or require more concentration than just digging with her hooves. And if she did just pull out a digging spell like she's some sort of magical Swiss Army knife, than there may be calls of it being a deus ex machina.

Plus, characters sometimes don't always act in the most logical, efficient manner like robots. It's not like the digging even took up that much time, so I just don't see it as big of a problem, especially when it's used in service of the show's story and theme. It just feels like better storytelling the way they did than in the vague way you wanted them to do it.

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I didn't see why they had to dig out. All those spiky cage things Sombra makes are open at the top. The alates (the ones with wings) could fly out, and Twilight could levitate the others.

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>>36830138
Well what I came up with was thought up in less than a minute, and it still makes more sense and fits the narrative better than what the show did.

>>36830139
Yeah, that too was uh... really unclear. It looked like they might even be able to climb out if they were careful.

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>>36830140
Horses don't climb well.

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