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!XSAILBoatgCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829521

just saw this (don't show Mikie!)
Starlight Glimmer - Brony Problems: Episode 36
What's your opinion?

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829522

mikie likes starlight?
what happened to ponka?

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Nother NonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829524

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In Season 1, they didn't know if there would even be an S2 or S3, much less an S9; and when Faust left, whatever ideas she had for long-term development went with her.

The showmakers confronted two options at that point: keep things static -- with RD perpetually trying to become a Wonderbolt, the CRC vainly trying forever to get their cutie marks, and so on -- or develop the characters and the situation. They chose the second option.

There were three ways to develop the show (again, with no assurance of continuation beyond the next season): (1) Let the Mane Six follow and realize their individual dreams, inevitably drifting apart from each other as a result; (2) keep the Six tightly bonded, focused on preserving the power of friendship and using it to defend ever greater and scarier threats to Equestria; or (3) have them break into cliques and explore the tension between them.

I might have chosen (3). "The Return of Harmony," the last episodes planned under Faust's direction, suggests that she might have chosen (2). But (1) was the easiest path and the one that left the most doors open for the show's uncertain future, and the post-Faust show staff took it.

The result was a dispersal of focus, a progressive all-over-the-place loss of central themes and ideas. Twilight joins the Royal Household and is afterwards only coincidentally lodged in Ponyville. Rarity has business interests all over the map of Equestria. RD spends a lot of time with the Wonderbolts. And so on. To try to strengthen and supplement the weakening bonds between the Mane Six, the showmakers have thrown in a continuous stream of new characters, gimmicks and threats: the Map, the School, extended families for everybody, the Changelings, Tirek, and so on and on.

Starlight was part of this new glue: a fresh body double for Twilight to replace the fading viewpoint character. It hasn't worked very well. Most of the changes in the characters and the world have been corrosive. The magical atmosphere of myth and legend that pervaded the first two seasons has largely evaporated. Celestia, once an omnipotent being to whom all abased themselves and who ruled the heavens and the earth, has become a busy, repressed bureaucratic ruler of one nation-state among many in an expanded world that is no longer the Magical Land of Equestria. The Mane Six (and Celestia and Discord) had a mythic and archetypal heft to them, now lost. Remember all those S1 and S2 memes drawing analogies between Celestia and various deities (see pic), or likening the Mane Six to the Four Humors, the Four Elements, the Seven Deadly Sins, and other collections of archetypes? No more. Now the show is a typical sitcom (minus the adult jokes), and its characters are distinguished by the sorts of catchphrases, buzzwords, and shallow quirks that distinguish characters in a typical sitcom.

Starlight should never have been brought on board as a focal character without establishing some sort of archetypal force to her. She could have been the counterpart to Discord -- a powerfully magical creature bent on sucking the freedom and magic out of the world and imposing a suffocating rigidity, a sort of evil Apollo to Discord's evil Dionysus. Too late.

Things could have been worse. The people at the top of the show's decision tree have steadfastly kept the ponies horselike quadrupeds and struggled to keep the technology under control, with mixed results. No humans have been introduced. The show continues to produce some fun episodes and to be generally worth watching. But the magic has pretty much gone away. It isn't wholly due to Starlight's role and character, but those are part of it.

!XSAILBoatgCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829525

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>>36829524 interesting take; never thought of it that way

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I agree totally with Tootsie4Ever. Starlight is an awesome character, and the show writers completely glossed over everything about her reformation, and just sort of expected us to know what the heck character she is now. I love the song that ended season 5, but it was set to Starlight Glimmer's reformation as a 2 minute 80's montage! (No seriously, it was almost exactly 2 minutes long.) They were just like "Yep, she did all this stuff off camera, so now she's good." The first episode of season 6 should've been about when she got a new hairstyle, as she began baby steps towards making amends with her village and the M6. There should've been an episode about how the 5 were suspicious, and Starlight assumes they won't give her a chance, but then they do because they're better than the ponies who rejected her in the past.

Though I have to admit the self-deprecatory stuff in No Second Prances was pretty awesome, where Starlight's like "You're just patronizing me!" and she's right. But Twilight was the only one who had a chance to react to Starlight; the rest of the six just got a bland 2 second smile like "We are now happy because Twilight told us to be." So Starlight really got short-changed, because the MLP writers are complete sadistic evil fuckheads, and rushed her off to the side to drag all attention to this thing.

Thus once again, A Canterlot Wedding indirectly ruins everything.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829531

>>36829522
>being under a rock for this many years

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>>36829521
bah, i cant stomach this video for a lot of reasons so i cant really say much about itself

obviously i dont like it at all

but something needs to be considered here in her defense

MLP has been on a decline for years imo

they simply brought out new characters to essentially give the show more life

the mane 6 themselves arent enough so they brought starlight, trixie and now even the school of friendship

this seems to be where they are experimenting the most

starlight is obviously the best character ever and sure things may have seem rushed

but i think she has made great progress overall which has been shown overall

>>36829522
see >>36829531
it's been years since dude

honestly, pinkie pie annoys the shit out of me

this is an episode tootsie4ever should be doing

i will be able to actually stomach that

also that youtuber and his friend looks like they havent showered in years lol

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Pinkie will always be best waifu for me.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie.Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829537

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>>36829522
She's with a lost pony now.

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>>36829529
I have to agree with this. I went back and rewatched both parts of "The Cutie Remark." I was surprised and delighted by how good it was. The repeating time loops were a really intricate plot device, which kept the adult mind engaged and which Haber and the animators brought off with amazing skill. The awful dystopias were cleverly imagined and detailed. Alternate Reality 1 had a wonderful WWII vibe (e.g., AJ's 1940's hairdo and hairnets), and I loved the battlefield details (especially RD's prosthetic wing and the two stallions' slap-fight). In Alternate Reality 2, I loved all the savage warpaint, the Neolithic technology, and Zecora's Greek-helmet mane. The recurrent visits to the scene of the rainboom race built powerfully and were forceful and well articulated. The dialogue, plot, and animation were all first-rate. Great! Two fantastic episodes! Best season finale ever!

And then the balloon suddenly deflated with a dumb backstory, an unbelievably quick conversion, and a song so poetically clunky and so musically empty that I had actually forgotten it existed. Glimglam's epic magical skills, political and moral fervor, and burning resentment just sort of dried up and blew away, leaving an iris-out hugfest and a rag doll of a character that no longer had any reason for being in the show, let alone being spotlighted at center stage for the next three years.

If there was any single point at which G4 went irreversibly off the rails, this was it.
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>>36829554

G4 went off the rails in the S2 finale You didn't like the song? I thought it was an amazing song by itself, and just made stupid by the montage it was set to. It's one of those beautiful, universal messages that really made me feel like maybe things didn't have to be this way, for me, or for... anyone like me. It really felt like a wonderfully serene and hopeful way to end the series, something that could stick with us for a long time.

Try listening to the song with the video disabled or minimized. It's... not catchy enough to be a real incredible song by itself, but it flows smoothly with its narrative, sort of like you'd imagine heart songs really would be. I think it's one of the best songs to come out of the show.

It even makes pretty good prose.

> I never thought that I would find a place to step right in and start again. I never thought that I could just begin right where I left off, and make a friend. Don't ever think that it might be too late. You don't have to wait. There's no mistake in the friends you make. A friendship's only made of what you bring, and if you do it right, you can do anything.


> Just use your eyes, this time, no lies. Just don't disguise who you are inside, because your friends are always there for you. You don't have to be the same for friendship to be true. Because your friends are always there for you, around the world it's still the same, together you have more to gain. There's nothing that a friend won't do.


> Everywhere you go, friendship there will grow. When you find it, it's the key. Friends can change the world you see. Everywhere you go, friendship there will grow. When you find it, it's the key. Friends can change the world, friends can change the world, friends can change the world, you see...


God I wish that were true...
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AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829581

>>36829531
I have
I left after eqg1 but I lurking the fandom every now since I heard the show is ending

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>>36829524
>No humans have been introduced
Heh


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