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Season 8 Episodes 22 Discussion Thread Marimo!!SpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829241

This thread is meant for discussing impressions on this week's episode, What Lies Beneath, during and after it airs.

Be mindful of saying spoilers before they show up on TV.

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829243

Pretty neat episode, probably one of the best of the season.

The various "tests" were a little strange in their theming. Why is the tree of harmony pitting them against their worst fears? I understand that it all sorta becomes a friendship test, but it's all rather inconsistent.
Gallus and Smolder solve their tests all on their own, with no friendship required. But they used that experience to help Silverstream and Ocellus, who couldn't solve their tests on their own. Yona's test was also solved on her own, but did have its own friendship element, and Sandbar's was pretty straightforward. It's difficult to pinpoint just how much was necessary and what precisely was being tested.


One interesting note is how the tree's capabilities are evolving, sometime recently gaining the ability to create forms of Twilight and her friends, thoguh they all seem to act rather... threatening? I wonder if this could be directly caused by absorbing the false forms of the Evil Six created by Chrysalis?

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very good episode

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Not bad.

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I like it.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829254

It was alright. Liked how we got some solo action from everybody. And Cozy being a sneaky bitch.
But most importantly, I finally know Smolder's gender.
>>36829243
Agreed. Kinda doubt the Bizarro Mane6 thing, but I really hope their absorption has some point eventually

Nother NonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829257

I haven't seen or read anything about the finale, but I'm guessing Cozy Glow is Chrysalis in disguise.

With all the changelings running around and the Tree of Harmony operating its own set of doppelgangers, this show is starting to look more and more like that old John Carpenter horror movie The Thing.

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Very good episode. Cozy Glow is a butt.

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So... the Tree of Harmony is evil? And Cozy Glow just dropped out of a pod somewhere, and harmonized everypony into thinking nothing was amiss with her?

>>36829257
>this show is starting to look more and more like that old John Carpenter horror movie The Thing.

Yeah...
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>>36829279
It's not evil per se... but it rather seems to have such extreme standards that it's easy to be considered evil by it.

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>>36829285

Well I mean... it has extreme standards, and also extreme methods. It created the Elements of Harmony, which turned people to stone, banished them for a thousand years, and sent shadow monsters screaming into the abyss. It created the cutie map, which has total surveillance of everyone living in and in the vicinity of Equestria. It may have influence over ponies, making them automatically trust the map, automatically trust Cozy Glow, and even allow her to put them to sleep on command.The tree itself heartlessly murdered six creatures just for being unharmonious in its vicinity. It's secretly tunnelling a vast underground root network all the way from the Everfree forest to at least Ponyville. It's impersonating ponies as effectively as changelings ever did. Its abilities are evolving the more ponies nurture it. It was going to crush gallus to death if he didn't face his fear and escape, without his friends, alone. It's duplicitous, inscrutable, strange, unsettling, and it was the creation of Starswirl the Bearded! Just how many world threatening evils has he accidentally unleashed?

I read a story once that asked what does anypony put behind a door with six locks? I think we might be about to find out...

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>>36829287
>It created the Elements of Harmony

We don't know whether the carrier chooses the effect or the elements.

>automatically trust the map


There's no reason not to trust it. It's always been correct so far when it wasn't tempered with.

>automatically trust Cozy Glow,


I don't remember that.

>The tree itself heartlessly murdered six creatures


... which attacked it.

>It's secretly tunnelling a vast underground root network all the way from the Everfree forest to at least Ponyville


Is it? I thought the tunnels are coming from Twilight's castle which has come from the tree.

>It's impersonating ponies


It tries to take a form others can relate to.

>It was going to crush gallus to death if he didn't face his fear and escape


It probably would have - or not.

> it was the creation of Starswirl the Bearded!


It was created by all six pillars; they could not forsee how the force of good they would create would turn out to be.

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>>36829291

> We don't know whether the carrier chooses the effect or the elements.


You think Princess Celestia. Chose to banish her sister. For a thousand years. Instead of curing her.

>>automatically trust Cozy Glow,

>I don't remember that.

When did she enroll in the school? Where did she come from? Nopony's asking about that, and she's now Twilight's personal assistant. Wasn't she supposed to be just a student? Nopony's gonna notice this, nopony at all?

Oh sure, we won't tell our professors about the monster plant under our school, since they'd probably just get you in trouble, those untrustworthy instructors and counselors, not like you, Cozy Glow. We always trust you.

> Is it? I thought the tunnels are coming from Twilight's castle which has come from the tree.


Possibly, but it did claim to be the Tree of Harmony.


>>The tree itself heartlessly murdered six creatures


>... which attacked it.


They didn't attack it. Actually Mean Twilight defended it, though she did so for her own petty, self-centered reasons.

Heck it killed Mean Rainbow Dash for taking a nap!

>>automatically trust the map


> There's no reason not to trust it. It's always been correct so far when it wasn't tempered with.


Well, the first thing it did was try to get the main 6 out of the picture by sending them to get their cutie marks stripped off. Then it sent the two most powerful ones to get killed in a chasm with winds that specifically destroy a pegasus's ability to fly. Then it tried to get the weaker ones killed in a condemned theater. Then it sends Fluttershy and Twilight straight into a war zone. I mean, getting hit with pumpkins probably isn't lethal, but it sure is symbolic of something that is!

Of course, all those "life-threatening" dangers were needed to solve important friendship problems, such as destroying Starlight's friendships with her entire village, or telling gryphons to uh, bake scones. Can you see why I'm surprised that nopony has ever even questioned why they obey the map?

It's probably all just lazy writing, but after episode 22 I'm not so sure they weren't trying to imply something a little more... sinister.
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>>36829292
>You think Princess Celestia. Chose to banish her sister. For a thousand years. Instead of curing her.

Possibly? Those were different times, as also Starswirl has proven. Also, healing was probably not even an option.

>When did she enroll in the school? Where did she come from? Nopony's asking about that, and she's now Twilight's personal assistant. Wasn't she supposed to be just a student? Nopony's gonna notice this, nopony at all?


I'm pretty sure Twilight asked all those questions at some point? Just because we don't see it doesn't mean it's not happening. Logic dictates Twilight must have inquired about those things.

>Oh sure, we won't tell our professors about the monster plant under our school, since they'd probably just get you in trouble, those untrustworthy instructors and counselors, not like you, Cozy Glow. We always trust you.


Youth errs.

>Possibly, but it did claim to be the Tree of Harmony.


And it is. I just don't think it had to tunnel directly from its "tree" roots but just uses the castle's roots to build the tunnels and communicate through them

>They didn't attack it.


Pinkie Pie and Applejack physically attacked it. The tree was prudent enough to see the group as a whole as a danger to itself, for good reason. I think it even considered Chrysalis as an ally in that instance.

>Well, the first thing it did...


... was sensing friendship issues and alerting the ponies/Spike to them. That's all it ever did.
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>>36829293

> healing was probably not even an option.


So, it wasn't an option, and then it was, with the same Elements of Harmony. Regardless, Princess Celestia still did not choose to do that to her sister, if the Elements gave her no other option.

> Just because we don't see it doesn't mean it's not happening.


Just because we don't see it doesn't mean it's happening, either. I'm just saying episode 22 was creepy enough I'm starting to wonder if the writers omitted Cozy Glow's legitimacy on purpose. Maybe she isn't supposed to be there, and something's actually really, really wrong.

> Pinkie Pie and Applejack physically attacked it.


Yeah but they're just earth ponies.

> was sensing friendship issues and alerting the ponies/Spike to them. That's all it ever did.


Right, because the only friendship issues in all of Equestria involve putting the main 6 in danger. Look, I'm not saying it's obviously evil. It's being very subtle if it is, and playing a thousand year waiting game. You don't know if it had any other agenda besides just solving friendship problems. Even if it was "benevolent" though, I can't help but worry about something that can see into the hearts and minds of everypony, and manipulate them through their cutie marks.

> Youth errs.


Youth doesn't spontaneously fall asleep on command on the floor in the middle of the library.

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>>36829294
>'m not saying it's obviously evil. It's being very subtle if it is

Well, we can agree with that.

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829299

>>36829293
>>36829294
Ok to be perfectly honest, how many of the map quests have been actual friendship problems? The most baffling thing to me, even more than that they all trust it, is that they just continuously assert that it sends them to solve "friendship problems" when that has almost never been the case. That and how they always approach the issue by showing up and asking "Hey does anyone have any friendship problems??"

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>>36829299
>how many of the map quests have been actual friendship problems

All except "Surf and/or Turf" IMO.
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>>36829299

It'd be funny if the map evolved how to speak just so it could yell at them, "For the love of Pete, stop preaching about friendship already! I'm not just sending you to fix Toola Whatever's friendship with Coconut Cream! You're saving people who are in trouble! That's what you do. Save people. In trouble. I can't believe you haven't picked up on this!"

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829303

>>36829300
Starlight's village: definitely not a friendship problem
Manehattan theater: nope
Griffonstone: Vaguely, it's a stretch
Hooffields and McColts: Ehhh... why not
Las Pegasus: Ousting a bad guy
Starlight and Sunburst: Haha no
Spike: ???
Kirin: Definitely not

If there's any underlying theme, it's that they're solving community problems, not friendship problems. They help communities with divided interests come to accord, or get rid of bad guys who are messing up the harmony. But there's really nothing about "friendship" involved, the individual ponies don't matter. Fixing a town's social structure is not friendship.

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>>36829303
Starlight's village: definitely not a friendship problem

> Starlight's broken friendship with Sunburst was the underlying problem that caused it


Manehattan theater: nope

> neighbourly issues, doubtful though


Las Pegasus: Ousting a bad guy

> bad guy brining a rift between friends so they are forced to stay in his casino


Starlight and Sunburst: Haha no

> "friendship" issues between parents and their children


Spike: ???

> absolutely, Spike dissing his two friends


Kirin: Definitely not

> haven't seen, can't tell

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>>36829304

Twilight just sort of assumes that she's Princess of Friendship and assumes that the map is sending her friends on quests to save friendship. For all she knows, the map is using the power of her friendships, to achieve things that aren't about saving other friendships.

Like Our Town, maybe it wanted to stop Starlight from forcing ponies to give up their cutie marks because the cutie map can't control anypony without them. Maybe Las Pegasus was to save the career of the map's favorite trapeze artist. How long did Applejack and Rarity wander around Manehattan with no friendship problems to speak of, until they gave up and decided to fix up the community theater? Heck, maybe the map's a big fan of stage performance!

I just think it's hilarious to think that the map's goals might not always be to fix friendships, and ponies just keep cluelessly misinterpreting it.

"Ugh, no no not the... not the con artist. You were supposed to investigate the other hotel where the bomb—and you didn't even notice it exploding. Oh well, might as well call you back, you dumb ponies!"

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829325

>>36829324
That's what I'm talking about! No one in the show knows what the map or the tree want. No one in the show really understands anything that goes on after season 3.

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>>36829325
To be fair, noone in the show can really know when noone working on the show really knows either.

unlikeable ponyCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829416

"learn about friendship... OR DIE!"
>What the hay

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>>36829416

Every college's got its weeder classes.

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>>36829418
If you can dodge a hammer you can be a friend!


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