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Season 8 Episode 15 & 16 Discussion Thread Marimo!!SpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829055

This thread is meant for discussing impressions on this week's episode, A Matter of Principals and Hearth's Warming Club, during and after it airs.

Be mindful of saying spoilers before they show up on TV.

Epic Mount!Hero.tYu2gCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829056

Chritmas episode before Halloween?
I expected this from my local supermarket, not my fave cartoon.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829057

Discord should be chained down, beaten with a bat, and burned alive.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829058

>>36829057
I disagree. A Matter of Principals was among the best Discord episodes as well as one of the best of season 8 so far. Classic plot callbacks to the original direction of his character. Also some of the more insightful writing for Discord and Spike. And all those callbacks! Classic Iron Will. A solid 8.5 out of 10.

Hearths's Warming Club was, while predictable, a pretty good set of backstories for the students. Plenty of laughs. The only massively bad point in the plot was when Rainbow Dash pronounced that the student dorm back door was locked. Duh!

8 out of 10

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829059

>>36829058
You’ve made my eyes cross

!RISkQqf4EMCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829060

16 is really bad :/
I'm bored watching it. I don't care about these characters at all.

also I hate the ending. really you're going to stay with that jerk instead of going home, after all that reminiscing?
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AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829061

>>36829060
While that may be a weak ending, it's a direct product of the forced nature of how friendship is portrayed in the series.

Given how shitty their home lives were to begin with, none of the students were missing out on anything valuable.

Trust me. There's far worse to come next time.

Mk17Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829064

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A Matter of Principals was great!

It was cool to see a discord x starlight episode where discord was just being straight up discord in true discord fasion. (Q eps were always my favorite too) If twilight is picard starlight is kirk haha. Was amazing how she just blasted him, it was actually pretty surprising, that was one way to handle a troll i guess... The ghost angle was pretty clever too.

The jokes were great and def meant for (us). "What exactly IS a long distance plan?" Had me laughing out loud, which is rear. The fellow kids thing was good too. "Guess you dont have much experience with the education Department" and the twilight wig on starlight all gave me a smile.

I love the students, i really thought i wouldnt, but they are really enjoyable characters.

Mk17Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829065

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Also this.

AustroSpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829066

HWC was neat. Nice concept, many funnies, rather solid conclusion if you turn the other eye on magic existing in the show.

aMoP once again showed Dickscord shenanigans is best Discord, but still felt lackluster to me storywise. And apparently the rule of Spike knowing it all when Twilight struggles also applies to Starlight.

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>>36829066
I fully agree regarding HWC, there was good stuff there.

I didn't really like Discord at all in his episode though. I think he's at his best when he's nice, like when he hosted the tea party for Fluttershy. He's like a child who can't say if something bothers him but instead just pouts.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829069

>>36829067
IMO peak Discord was Princess Twilight Sparkle and part 1 of Twilight’s Kingdom.

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829070

Matter of Principals was kind of awful in every possible respect. Story, humor, characterization, pacing, resolution... Every last event would have been better off not happening than happening.

Hearth's Warming Club was actually pretty good. Not great, but it had some charm, some humor, some nice writing. I'd give it maybe a 5/10.

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>>36829069
He was good in those too.

AnonymousCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829073

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Screw the people who hate the lovebugs. Their new Hearthwarming traditions are adorable.

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829074

>>36829069
>>36829072
He was pretty good in the Break Up I'd say, but wasn't his peak in, you know, Return of Harmony?

AustroSpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829075

>>36829073
The only thing to really hate about them is how fast and uncalled for they did a 180 on their way of life. And some designs, but let's face it Thorax took the cake on that one.
>>36829074
Exactly.

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829076

It's very odd to me that Spike brings up how Discord tends to be a dick in order to test his friends and teach them a lesson in the most frustrating way possible, but that wasn't at all what he was trying to do here, or at all recently. It was his main driving force in seasons 4 and 5, but since then I don't think he's been doing that at all. Why bring it up if it isn't what he's doing?

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>>36829076
Cause it's what he thought he was doing?

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829078

>>36829077
But it added nothing to the episode, just like Starlight murdering him and him coming back to haunt her.

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>>36829078
It added a probable explanation to the viewer (and Starlight) as to why Discord was acting that way. It was a very important point IMO. Without it the episode would have been "Discord acts like shit for 20 minutes for no apparent reason."

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829080

>>36829079
To be fair, that's every Discord episode.

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>>36829080
Kind of but I thought it was especially odd this time, especially as he regularly hangs out with Spike and saved the land with Starlight. But not even they were worth an explanation.

Mk17Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829082

So this is my take on discord in that ep because he seems to be causing some... Discord haha.

The whole point was that starlight and discord were friends, but didnt know how to handle each other. Neither character likes "feelings" so it was an interesting dynamic.

Discord just wanted to have fun from the get go, but starlight snuffed him, so he had a tantrum. Then starlight got mad and had an even cooler tantrum haha.

They thought just because they had some history that the other would understand where they were coming from without explanation.

Spike was pointing all this out the whole time.

It was a lot like "all bottled up" actually.

lostponyCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829083

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>>36829055
Why are we lumping these two episodes together just because they were released at the same time? Well im just happy to have a place to discuss them with people who still watch pony.

I never liked discord, but he was really changing that in the tea party ep with his vulnerability and his willingness to accept others in the DnD ep. But here, he's regressed right back to being no one's friend and instead of torturing the adults for attention, which has at least SOME merit, he terrorized the students which was really deconstructive, unfair, disrespectful and just all-around sociopathic. Boo discord, go home.

I loved Starlight's demonstration of power, and i felt her dialing it back to apologizing was taking it a lot further than discord deserved. Yes, no one included him but, he's already learned several times now that you have to be at least...trying not to annoy people if you want to be included. I get that he felt left out. But he didn't even ask anyone, or even mope or give any kind of cues before masterminding a major deception and kicking the place over. Yes, we get it: not everyone can internalize the basics. But this is just way too far and we're lucky if no one ends up in therapy for having survived it.

Still, for those who aren't diggin the new school, this was probly a good tension-release. And Starlight was great.

As to hearthswarming whodunnit, the killer's in this room ep...having just finished it a minute ago, i'm not sure what to think about it. I don't like Twi's use of authority, it rubs me wrong and while i do like her in command i'm not really feeling her heart in the way she imposes her punishments etc. I dunno, probly just me.

Neither of these eps made me cry, so i can't rate them competently. Maybe if i rewatch them a few times i'll warm up to them.

>>36829065
Omigosh yes the Twi wig, i did love that.

>>36829073
Oh yes i loved that for however exhaustive Twiggy's instructions are, she really left a lot of unfortunate under-explanation in there.

>>36829080
Do you feel that way about his tea party for Flutters ep? I agree except for that one and infiltrating the hive...

>>36829082
But, discord didnt just want to have fun. He sent the 6 on a wild goose chase just so he could try to take advantage of starlight's friendship. He acted out especially when she snubbed him, but i think what was good here was Starlight's struggling to figure out why he was acting that way and the right thing to do.

You know what, this is classic Hasbro here. Discord got completely thrown under the bus to create the tension Glimmy needed to have a difficult problem to prevail. I really don't find Discords malevolence here believable, its like they stripped him of everything they built him up with.

Dammit Hasbro. Well, i'll live and so will that half-mule snakey character i suppose.

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829084

>>36829083
Well no, not that one.
And I was trying to explain a contrast between most of his episodes where he's acting like shit for no apparent reason but there is a reason, and this one where he acts like shit for no apparent reason and there really just isn't any. Imagine if that time he went to the Gala, he didn't bother trying to show off to Fluttershy and just ruined the whole thing for everyone with a smile on his face.

!Glaive9GkoCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829085

-- A Matter of Principals
...fucking hell, so now I've got this image of a 3 year old Discord throwing a tantrum, crying and screaming "PLAY WITH ME!" while GlimGlam does her taxes or something. I guess he's just that kind of annoying that I can't fucking deal with, especially since he's just so powerful that he gets what he wants anyways! Any toddler who did this would be getting dragged out of the store / school / whatever, and any kid would be grounded. Discord gets an apology. Fuck off. What's worst is that even though he acts like this, he gets it. He must! He doesn't pull this shit with Fluttershy, and he doesn't do it because he knows this shit don't fly, yet he acts like a complete d-bag to everyone else and is surprised when nobody wants him around the kids. Fuck. Off.

I'm giving it a...
Go sit in the corner /10

-- Hearth's Warming Club
And then this little gem happened! God damn this episode is so fucking stupid, but in the best possible way! Ocellus's adorkable new Hearth's Warming routine is great! Yak Song is great! Mood whiplash Smoulder is great! Anti humor Sandbar is great! Silverstream is a bit dry but not everything can be perfect. Orphan Gallus is cheesy as all fuck, but still got teh feelz. Also, surprisingly good delivery on his part today! So yeah, much fun was had! Loved it! Only downside is no drill instructor Spitfire or boring Maud, but we did get a Trixie so that makes up for it. Oh, and I can't be the only one who thought of this Raffi - Bananaphone

And for this...
a big hug for Gallus / 10

lostponyCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829086

>>36829084
Yes, see my under-the-bus comment above.

What struck me most about the Gala ep is how Tia is so galvanized that she loved every minute of his debacle

lostponyCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829087

>>36829085
Filed under "fuck discord".

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829088

>>36829085
So Gallus is like, legitimately confirmed orphan, right? He has "no family" so I don't think there's any way around it. Kinda hilarious that happens before we even get a word one way or another about Scoots.

AustroSpikeCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829089

>>36829088
Fits a chicken to get cucked though

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829090

Weirdest thing about the episode to me is that apparently more than a full year passed since the changeling reformation? It feels like they were literally just getting started on being reformed.

Also, I guess they really do celebrate Hearth's Warming in the Winter instead of using a magic temporary Winter, despite the fact that the founding of Equestria took place in the Spring. Huh.

lostponyCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829091

>>36829090
>founding equestria is in spring
When did we learn that? Makes sense it followed the defeat of the snowghosty guys that ended winter

OpinionatedCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829092

>>36829091
Yes, but it was a magically prolonged Winter caused by the Windigoes. When they arrived in Equestria it was green and sunny. I know it was always snowy during the celebrations, but it would make a lot of sense to magically make it Winter for just a day to celebrate. Spike says they can easily do that after all.

unlikeable ponyCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36829139

>>36829069
Discord is best when he's mischievous teacher discord, ala q.


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