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Twilight Sparkle is a Mary Sue? !gEapIYWEa2Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 36822414

I like Twilight Sparkle, and don't really see how she can be a Mary Sue. Protagonist, sure, but the only episode where she seemed really "Sueish" was Magical Mystery Cure. Otherwise, she isn't a blatant self insert of either the writers or Tara Strong. Heck she isn't anywhere remotely like Tara. She isn't considered beautiful, but more importantly she isn't considered *remarkable* in appearance, at most she's described as a little scrawny. She has an ordinary eye color (for a pony) and she's a terrible dancer.

I'm just reading through this and trying to figure out where people would think of her like a Mary Sue: http://katfeete.net/writing/sue.php

Princess Mi Amore Cadenza is off the charts, but Twilight barely registers. Even Applejack gets a higher score, what with the dead parents, and the freckles, and winning an award for being the most well liked pony in all of Ponyville.

There aren't any prophecies about Twilight, specifically. There are ones about the main 6, but the prophecy stuff cuts off pretty much once Twi gets princess'd. I mean, I guess she's royalty now, but she was born to just ordinary parents, who weren't abusive or anything. She's also taking a more passive, supportive role in the background as a princess, and going absolutely nuts for not being able to participate in any of the adventure.

Not everybody likes Twilight. Heck, Sparkler hates her guts for one-upping her organizational skills. Twilight even aggravates her friends at times, though less so as a pretty princess. She doesn't rage against the machine, and is pretty content with the way the world is.

Any character can be portrayed as a Mary Sue, but for all Twilight is ridiculously overpowered at times, I just don't see her fitting in that role most of the time.

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Sparkler is not a Mary Sue. They've done this sort of thing where they put her in this half way point between being perfect pretty princess and normal character. There are times when her character still shows through (usually around characters that irk her), but a lot of the time she is stale and generic. It mostly just stems from the amount of attention she got from seasons 1 where it basically just followed everything she did, so for the most part we got to see everything from her perspective. Now that they've backed off, a lot of her traits are toned down except when they are relevant to the story. Otherwise she fits the role of generic magical princess.

On a side note I completely forget there is an actual pony named Sparkler and had started calling Twi that.

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>>36822415

Well I'll grant you stale and generic. I kind of liked Twilight as an everypony, but even that was pretty generic.

And to think you not only forgot Sparkler even existed, you started using her name to refer to the very pony who replaced her. Except Hasbro made her name Amethyst Star instead of going with the popular choice.

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No, she's not. People just love to throw around the term to mean "character that I don't like".

A character being powerful does not make them a Mary Sue. An actual Mary Sue is an absolute god character that can do no wrong and is super special and important in every way, is loved by everyone and usually ends up solving the conflict of the story with little/no effort, after the main characters fail at it. Also usually a love interest for one of the main characters.

You know who is, or rather, who ARE the Mary Sues? Her brother and her babysitter.

Think about it:

>they're both suddenly introduced out of nowhere

>they're both in positions of high power (and one is a fucking alicorn no less, something that was previously established to be pretty much the highest power possible)
>they're both closely related to the main character, one of them by blood
>they're both integral to the story
>they both end up solving the conflict through a deus ex machina
>they're both loved and adored by everyone
>especially Twilight herself, being super-uber-friends with both of them (even though S1E01 depicted her as a friendless shut-in...contradicting previous episodes only makes this Mary Sue point even stronger)

They tick so many of the Mary Sue checkboxes. More than any other character. As far as I'm concerned, these two are the closest thing to Mary Sues that the show has ever featured.
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I don't think twilight is a mary sue but she's probably close after season 5 & hearing what happens in the finale it feels like we have seen everything that can be done with her I liked that she was the best use of this archetype I have seen until pearl on SU(but that's a slightly different story) I mean with sunset & starlight she has basically gone full circle this season infact she took senter stage the least then pervious seasons

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>>36822417
Twilight isn't as big of a sue, but she still fails to be engaging to me.

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>>36822467
Twilight is not a Sue at all. Simply being powerful / in a position of power does not make a character a Mary Sue.

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Twilight has character growth and character flaws. Unless we're looking at Mary Sue-ness on a spectrum, then naw

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>>36822469
She isn't very compelling when she has everything and is defined by her title.

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>>36822536
>"has everything"
>"defined by her title"

Care to elaborate?

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>>36822537
She walks into a room, everyone congratulates her on being an alicorn princess.
If anything serious happened her victory is now unquestionable in-universe instead of improbable but guaranteed by the script.
She also has infinite wealth and immortality which makes some unfortunate implications since her friends are still mortal.

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>>36822542
>She walks into a room, everyone congratulates her on being an alicorn princess.
She's only sometimes been called by her title, usually just by new characters we meet. Same thing happens in other shows, like Aang or Korra being acknowledged as the Avatar.

>She also has infinite wealth

Wealth has never really been a factor before for her. It's never really been that much of a factor for most characters in most episodes, really. Also, she wouldn't have infinite wealth as a princess. Even with access to the treasury, that money's coming from somewhere like the citizens being taxed, and I doubt others in the government would just allow her to spend a large sum on anything without there being a good reason.

>and immortality which makes some unfortunate implications since her friends are still mortal.

She can still presumably get killed. While we know Celestia and Luna have immortality, or at least have a much longer lifespan, we have no acknowledgement in-universe on whether ponies who became alicorns (Twilight and Cadance) rather than born alicorns also have those kinds of lifespans. We do have one mention by the staff, but according to Meghan, Twilight wouldn't outlive her friends.
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>>36822542
>She walks into a room, everyone congratulates her on being an alicorn princess.
Er...no, that's just new characters calling her by her proper title.

Unless you'd like to argue that Aang is also a Mary Sue, since everyone also calls him by his title when they meet him for the first time. (and sometimes even afterward)

>If anything serious happened her victory is now unquestionable in-universe instead of improbable but guaranteed by the script.

That is called "plot armor", not Mary Sue, and ALL main characters in this show have it, not just Twilight. Because it's a kids' show, of course the protagonists are going to be successful. I think the only actually-confirmed death in the entire series was Sombra.

>She also has infinite wealth

And...wealth has very rarely, if ever, been relevant to an episode's story. And has never been relevant to any of Twilight's episodes. So I'm not sure what you're complaining about here.

>and immortality which makes some unfortunate implications since her friends are still mortal.

Again, kids show. Characters are not going to die.

Like I said, a character simply being powerful does not make them a Sue.

A Mary Sue is a complete god-character with absolutely no flaws (or if they do have flaws, they're seen as endearing and don't really bring the character down at all), solves every single problem with ease, is loved and adored by everyone else, has a close relation with the main character(s), which usually extends into being a love interest for one of them as well. The term dates back to Star Trek fanfiction where people would write their own self-insert characters into the Star Trek universe and upstage the canon characters with their uber amazing overpowered OC.

Twilight has character flaws that aren't endearing. Twilight does not instantly solve any problem with ease. Twilight is not loved and adored by literally everyone. And she's the main character of the show, not a self-insert that comes in and upstages the pre-existing characters.

If we're looking at a scale of Sue-ness, she would register on it, but very low on it. But without a scale, just a "yes or no", then no, she's not a Sue at all.

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>>36822547
>I think the only actually-confirmed death in the entire series was Sombra.
Which got retconned in the comics.

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>>36822549
Which only further solidifies that they're a separate continuity from the show.

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Yes. Twilight used to have character flaws, then Season 3 happened.

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>>36822554
She's still shown flaws post-season 3. Self doubt about her role as princess, putting unfair standards on herself like thinking she can't be allowed to feel jealous, and issues with trusting her friends being friendly with those like Discord and Trixie.

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>>36822414
>There are ones about the main 6
>prophecies about he mane six

Please name one, because there's NO prophecies unless you interpret the "Stars will aid in her escape" to not be about the 4 stars that freed nightmare moon but about twilight's cutie mark :/

There's fate for Twilight (in that her cutie mark is on the tree of harmony), but there's not any prophecies for any of them that I know of :/

>>36822549
Which means the only death is that Cat.
Poor cat...

>>36822553
>Not this shittu again
Its like I'm on 4chan all over again :p

not that I'd have issues with different continuities (hell, I'd LIKE the comics to have a seperate continuity so they could go fucking crazy), but I think its pretty clearly side canon to the normal series :p

>>36822549
>>36822553
I actually liked sombra in the comics, I just wish he'd done a full heroic sacrifice instead of the sacharine ending myself.

it feels too sugary this way especially with all the evil he did. Him committing a heroic action in his last moments and sacrificing himself would have felt far better.

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>>36822569
The comics are in the same position as EQG: The show has never referenced them, so there's no reason to believe that they are canon to the show.

Thus, I just consider them a separate continuity.

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I'd say she's written that way sometimes, but not always. Top Bolt for example had both - her characterisation was mainly her true nerdy self who wants to get into the theory of flight (I love this version of Twilight), but they still managed to get in an "I used to be imperfect at Friendship, but now I'm the ultimate expert the Princess of Friendship and resolve everyone's friendship problems!" part. It's what I call a "Sue Moment", based on my limited understanding of the term, but I wouldn't necessarily say her entire character has become a Sue.

Basically, to me, it's whenever they overdo the "Twilight has Master Level Friendship skill now" routine - whenever they emphasise that Starlight is her student, generally, except for the odd time early on where she admits she's been thrust into the position of teacher and might not be perfect at it.

It's down to the individual writer, I suppose.

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>>36822569
>"Stars will aid in her escape" to not be about the 4 stars that freed nightmare moon

What four stars? The "stars will aid in her escape" IMO is just the good old "when the stars are in a certain constellation X will happen" prophecy.

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>>36822596
>but now I'm the ultimate expert the Princess of Friendship and resolve everyone's friendship problems!" part

Again, a character having achievements or past success does not make them a Mary Sue.

If Twilight was a Sue, she would have, in that episode, walked right up to the two characters in question and friendship-speeched at them for a minute, and the episode's conflict would have instantly been solved. THAT is what an actual Mary Sue would do.

But that's not what happened.

>the "Twilight has Master Level Friendship skill now" routine


Because she kind of is? Yeah, the writers still write her as an awkward nerd that sometimes struggles with basic friendship issues, but in-universe, she's the goddamn Princess of Friendship (as much as I hate that), so it makes sense that they'd emphasize that.

That's not "mary sue", that's just her having past achievements.
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>>36822548
equestriaguy got brokened

>>36822553
naturally

>>36822575
best opinion

>>36822569
Does the sonic rainboom connecting them count as a prophecy? Cause if that group of friends doesn't get together in the right way then the whole country will apocalypse.

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>>36822547
>I think the only actually-confirmed death in the entire series was Sombra

Don't forget old One-Eye. Not much of a character, but certainly a confirmed death.

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She's Toddler wish Fulfillment, duh

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she is not 100% however she is close to one specially if you compere twilight to most of todays kids modern cartoon protagonist(finn, mordecai, gumball, dipper, steven, grizz, star butterfly as examples) compered to them she not that interesting

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>>36823263
Howard Stern is the king of all media.

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"Mary Sue" isn't really a term that has a clearly defined meaning, and it's one that gets misused a lot by people that, frankly, don't know what it actually means. There's no clear line denoting what is and isn't a Mary Sue, and people who like a character will go a long way to claim that a character isn't one (I've seen plenty claiming that Kirito from Sword Art Online isn't one, for example, despite being a pretty blatant male example), and likewise, people that hate a character will be quick to label it as such in order to dismiss it completely. TV Tropes has a page of tropes commonly associated with the archetype, which can be found here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CommonMarySueTraits

You can use that to draw your own conclusions. Generally, I would say no, but she isn't exactly well-written either. I actually liked her quite a lot in the first couple of seasons (Outside of Lesson Zero, which was terrible) for being skilled and knowledgeable, but also socially awkward in a way that was believable, and not along the lines of the usual Hollywood depiction of that character trope (Bazinga, amirite?). But after that point, and especially after the finale of S3, she just seems to have lost all defining character traits, which makes her pretty damn bland, apart from some individual standout moments. She does have the whole special chosen one bullshit going on, but that's just standard protagonist fare.

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Starlight Glimmer on the other hand, absolutely Mary Sue.

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>muh mary sue
is a term thats thrown around all too much in this fandom

i dont think it applies to glim glam or sparkle desu

however if you were to apply the term to flurry heart than okay

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>>36829157
Flurry Heart definitely. Marxlight Glimmer and Twilight no way.

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>>36829158
How can Flurry Heart be if she's appeared basically once in the whole series?

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>>36829159
because starlight has plenty of character development

and we know why as her history is shown

flurry heart just ended with powerful simply out of nowhere

>>36829158
bro were way beyond season 5 now but i get the joke

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>>36829160
She did mention the Communist Manifesto last season :)

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>>36829161
She just said "Manifesto" and didn't mention anything about communism. Plus, she was talking about the past. She also mentions her past many times. Look at her wall in her room and it clearly shows she condemns her past.

Man, I thought people on /pony/ were suppose to be experts at nitpicking... Also thought they would be able to pick up simple story lines.
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>>36829162
We don’t exist in a vacuum, it’s clear what joke the writer was going for.

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>>36829163
I guess you could call it that

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>>36829163
>>36829165
And those writers are just as laughably wrong as the fans are about communism.

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>>36829167
the thing is starlight has no interest in going back to her old ways

she has new friends now and squashed the issues with sunburst and they're friends again

old childhood friend sunburst
new friend friend trixie
new friend maud pie
new friends the mane 6 and plenty of others

so for the fans to imply she is still "communist" makes absolutely ZERO sense

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>>36829169
Yeah I mean that was made perfectly clear in the exact line where she mentioned her manifesto, such that only someone who never even saw that scene could believe otherwise.

But she's still absolutely a Mary Sue. If Little Baby Skyla got two seasons where the primary focus was her and how super special and unique she is, I'd say the same about her. But it's Starlight who sucks up the whole show's story with her limitless power and total lack of character traits. That makes her a Sue, no buts about it.

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>>36829171
she has plenty of character traits

the writers just tend to put her in more episodes because the mane 6 became a old hat

her power isnt much different than that of twilights

i dont find it unreasonable for a new character to have a background of being great with magic otherwise would good would the season 5 finally been if twilight just defeated her and saved the day? this would suck for me because then id never see her again in the future and shes a great character

the reason why i say call flurry heart a mary sue is because she was just born with the ability to do crazy magic

starlight studied and practiced magic just like twilight did. just because it is missing seasons of it doesnt make her a mary sue.

by that logic twilight is as well because the show starts her off as the almighty powerful

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>>36829172
Twilight was the original mane character of the show. Therefore she cannot be a Mary Sue. It would be like calling Goku a Mary Sue. A Mary Sue is a character that gets introduced later on, and ends up becoming more powerful and important than the original cast, and steals the spotlight from them. >>36829150

>>36822417
this is also true
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>>36829236

Being first doesn't make you better. I just think Twilight's not a Mary Sue because she is a good character, who's identifiable and believable.

Starlight's not enough of an attention whore to be a Mary Sue, I think. She's stupidly overpowered, but she doesn't get in the way of the other characters, or steal the spotlight or anything. It takes a lot to get her to play a pivotal role, and she much prefers supporting those who are doing the actual moving and shaking.

Flurry Heart had actual foreshadowing to announce the pregnancy many episodes before she was born. She wasn't retconned to be the main character's bestest babysitter ever. She doesn't have a perfect benevolent personality with no flaws. I think she breaks the show, ruins canon, contradicts everything we hold dear about MLP, is an unspeakable abomination... but she's not a Mary Sue.

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>>36829290
>She's stupidly overpowered, but she doesn't get in the way of the other characters, or steal the spotlight or anything. It takes a lot to get her to play a pivotal role, and she much prefers supporting those who are doing the actual moving and shaking.

Uh... what? Almost every episode she's in is about her. Granted this was certainly more true in seasons 5 and 6, but she almost never plays a supporting role. Unless she's showing up for like, exactly one scene, she's the character doing all the moving and shaking while the main characters are supporting her.

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>>36829305

What? When? Just looking through S6 the worst I can find is episode 21, where Starlight spends most of the episode just helplessly watching while the others do their crazy hypno stuff. I seriously don't see where the episode is all about her. In season 5, she was the main villain, so of course the episodes were gonna be about her, but as a protagonist, she's just really... passive. Am I missing something?

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>>36829317
Oops, my mistake. I meant seasons 6 and 7.

There's certainly that episode and others, but the worst is probably Royal Problem. When do you ever see her in a supporting role or being passive?

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>>36829319

Well, there was the one episode where Starlight spent the whole episode passively supporting the Princesses Luna and Celestia, while they worked out their differences with each other.

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Uncommon Bond was an episode that was all about Starlight. Though mostly it got into how her friends keep stealing the spotlight from her, to make everything all about them. Is it really so bad if she has an episode now and again?

Admittedly I thought it was total B.S. when the map called Starlight. She's not even one of the main 6!


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