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/Oat/ now belongs to the cybermen.

Excellent.

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Never! This is apple territory.

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>>42117381

You shall submit to Cyber superiority.

There is no need to panic. No need to fear.

You will not feel fear again. You will not panic again.

You shall become us, and it will be excellent.

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>>42117382
Didn’t Doctor Who kick their ass?

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>>42117382
That sounds kinda fishy.

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I think I had a dream about the Doctor (David Tennant) last night. Can't remember how it went though.

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>>42117385
>>42117386
absolute comedybots

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Even the worst of the last Doctor is better than the best of the current.

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>>42117387

Tennant is overrated, Eccleston is where it was at.

Bloody shame we only got one season with him.

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>>42117390
True other Doctors lasted longer, not fair Eccleston only had the one.
And they could of at least brought him back for The Day of the Doctor, all the modern-era Doctors together would be cool.

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>>42117393

To be fair Eccleston has opened up in recent years, he did have a lot of issues.

For a start he got on bad with many of the producers and those in the BBC, and at the time he was filming he has said he was going through pretty bad depression, alcohol issues and anorexia.

So it's unsurprising he doesnt seem keen on returning to Doctor who, much as it is a shame.

That and he is well known for being the kind of actor who hates being typecast, he often appears in a show as a character but only for a few episodes or a season, and he never returns or does extra episodes after that, despite it being known he has been asked to return on different shows he has been on in the past.

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>>42117395
Maybe he was a poorly chosen Doctor when? I mean don't get me wrong he was a great Doctor but if any actor is chosen to play as the doctor it will lead to being typecast.

Ducktales for example, while a fan of David Tennant I was sort of hesitant at the idea of him voicing Scrooge McDuck when they could of got John Kassir who voiced Scrooge in Mickey Mouse holiday special.
I've grown use to David Tennant as McDucks new voice.

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>>42117396

Meanwhile in a Parallel Universe Rowan Atkinson, aka Mr Bean for all you Americans, was the 9th Doctor.

Rowan Atkinson is Doctor Who | Comic Relief

And before anybody points out the obvious, no this is not canon to the series. It is a comedy/spoof and parody episode that was produced by the BBC for charity in the 90's, between the time Doctor who had been cancelled in the late 80's and Doctor who came back in 2005, the empty void Doctor who days in which the most anyone could hope for was silly rumours and speculations on the BBC picking up Doctor who again, as the internet and its groups on their dial up windows 95's started becoming more mainstream.

...Although I can't help but wonder what if Rowan Atkinson had been picked as a real, actual Doctor in the series.

No dount would have been great, little too old and retired now sadly.

Missed opportunity.

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>>42117397
I just so happened to be watching that video just when you posted.

He probably would of been too good of a doctor. I think the BBC chooses more obscure yet upstarting actors to play as the Doctor over celebraty actors. (Though pror to Doctor Who most may know Peter Capaldi as Malcom Tucker from The Thick.)

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who?

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I feel I should post on this thread but can't think of anything useful to say!

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I love how this stuff was even crazier than anime before anime was a major thing.

Britain did it better.

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>>42117433

Only thing the Cybermen fear? Raston warrior Robot.

Cybermen Vs Raston Warrior Robot
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>>42117436
Looks like a ballet dancer.

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>>42117438

As it happens the guy who played it was a professional dancer.

And if you want to know how low budget doctor who was at the time said robot is simply a cyberman android costume from a previous doctor who episode they just painted silver.

Budget was pretty much non existent those days, although looking back it does give a lovely camp and cheap retro feel.
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>>42117439
The low budget apparently didn't hamper the popularity.

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>>42117442

Saddest part is that when the BBC finally decided to give the show a decent budget, near the end of the Colin Baker/the 6th Doctors run, the show only carried on for a few more years before being cancelled, which is a crying shame. Here is an example of one of the much better special effects, which is miles ahead of anything else in the classic show at the time. Keep in mind this episode was made in 1985, so not bad for it's time at all.

The Doctor in court | Extended Version | The Trial of a Time Lord | Doctor Who

And hey while Colin may have been the first and only actor to have been fired as the Doctor, he did come back in recent years to do quite a few audio stories as the 6th Doctor, and he still clearly loves his Doctor and voicing him in new 'episodes'.

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>>42117446
Reminds me of Red Dwarfs earlier opening. Though this episode was two years before Red Dwarf started.

(I'm not a Star Wars or Star Trek fan. My fave space sci-fi shows are Doctor Who and Red Dwarf.)

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>>42117477

Red Dwarf will always be a British classic, do love how it's still going on after all these years.

Even if the characters and the actors playing them may have gotten fat and old.

Funilly enough Doctor Who has addressed the whole 'actors getting old' thing.

For example, there have been quite a few episodes in which one of the Doctors has met another, but obviously due to these episodes taking place years after one of the Doctors actors has played the role they are obviously looking older than they did when they played the role.

So Doctor who came up with the neat concept of the 'time differential' being broken when two Doctors or more/The same timelord from different times in their own past or future meet.

The entire concept being a fun meta jab at the actors aging, which it being said that when the same timelord meets himself (which obviously meeting yourself should never happen in the first place) it causes a time paradox, with one of the clues that a paradox has happened is one of the same timelord, due to the 'time differential breaking' will be rapidly age until they are returned to their own time stream.

One of the more recent examples being the charity special in which David Tennant the 10th met the 5th, Peter Davidson, and upon admiring his past self jokes

'Well, your hairs much thinner and more gray, your face more saggy and you've put on some weight.. that's beacause of me though, once you get back to your own time stream time differential will repair itself and you'll go back to being young again'

Which is obviously a meta joke at how Davidson played the Doctor when he was 30, but is now playing this incarnation in his 50's.

And as one last interesting note is the time differential was even used to spawn an entire book and audio series for the 2nd doctor.

You see, there was an episode in which the 6th doctor met the 2nd, and oddly enoigh the 2nd was travelling alone with his companion Jamie (which never happened in the TV show as he always had another companion while he was with Jamie) happened to be wearing a slightly different kind of outfit to his regular outfit, and was noticeably older and his hair was almost completely gray rather than the pitch black that it was known for being.

This was later explained in books and audio that the 2nd doctor, just prior to being forced to regenerate by the Timelords, had been forced against his own will to work for the timelord for over a decade, during which time he visibly aged in the canon due his body getting old, and the Timelords pulled his former companion Jamie out of his timezone to help out the 2nd Doctor in doing the Timelords bidding for them, so it was explained later on why the 2nd looked older and had a different outfit in the canon of the show, which is pretty neat, even with the 2nd doctor in the episode with the 6th starting in his Tardis with Jamie being rather upset and complaining about the timelords, which adds it all together very well.

In the real world this was rather sad, as the 2nd Doctor Patrick Troughton at the time, was very ill and would die just over a year after the episode with the 6th aired, and he was only 68 years old.

He also happened to have been friends with the 1st Doctor, William Hartnell and the 3rd, John Pertwee, both of whom had died in recent times.

The episode writers had wanted to do a multi doctor story, but Tom baker number 4 refused, and number 5 Peter Davidson was busy filming other shows at time.

And as soon as they contacted Troughton about reappearing on the show as his Doctor, he apparently jumped at the chance, saying he would love to do so, even though he was in hospital at the time, and, once again, rather seriously ill.

But at least before he died he got to play the Doctor, his doctor, the character he clearly loved so much, even willing to do so while he was obviously far from his best health wise, which is rather heart warming.
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>>42117489
Red Dwarf keeping it's four primary actors (Kochanski's actor was changed after season 6) not only show the actors are dedicated to the show but allowing the actors to let themselves go a bit shows some realism of what would happen with four people with only each other in a secluded place where they have enough to get by comfortably but still isolated.

Doctor Who is the only TV show I know of that can get away with replacing it's main actor. TV shows that have to replace their main actors often risk audience loosing interest afterwards.
(BBC sitcom My Hero for example when Ardal O'Hanlon was quite a popular show about a dim-witted superhero named George Sunday and his wife Janet Dawkins as they deal with secret identidies and issues. But when George looses his body in a poker game and had to get a new body (James Dreyfus) the series took a nosedive as the audience lost interest in the season.)

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Take my love, take my land,
Take me where I can not stand
I don't care cause i'm still free
You can't take the sky from me.
Take me out, to the black,
Tell them i ain't coming back
Burn the land and boil the sea
You can't take the sky from me.
There's no place I can be
Since I found Serenity
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>>42117380
Its about time something went right around here.

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I hope it's the new cybermen, they're cooler.

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>>42117644

Absoloutely wrong opinion

But nah, I don't mind the new ones, but the OG black and white 1st and 2nd doctor cybermen were much scarier.

I mean, unlike modern Cybermen, who just look like Robots and stomp around being super noisy and have a dumb catchphrase, OG Cybermen, despite obviously looking (and being..) cheap, do the whole

'We wanted to survive so we kept on slicing and chopping parts off and replacing them until we could survive' sci fi body horror vibe better.

That, combined with them being around 6ft t to 7ft tall, and having emotionless autotune voicebox voice really added to the cyborg Frankenstein feel.

Then again those Cybermen are from our universe, and were intergalactic travelling, and spent hundreds of years changing and modifying themsleves, while modern doctor who cybermen are from a parallel universe and were mass produced with human tecnology in factories all at once, so does stand to reason there would be differences between the two, with one of the more obvious ones being modern/parallel cybermen simply ripping out the brain and or head of a person and inserting it into a pre built cyberman body, while classic who and our universe cybermen use the entire body, and the cyber parts are built around the body, so these cybermen have entire human bodies inside them, unlike modern ones which just have a head and or brain and are empty otherwise.
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>>42117646
Great Cyber summary.

Now do Daleks!

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>>42117646
I agree the the originals are definitely scarier.
Do the originals have the gold weakness or is that later versions?

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>>42117653

But this threads about the Cybermen

>>42117665

If by originals you mean black and white, then no. The gold weakness was introduced in the 5th Doctor, Peter Davidsons era.

You see, if I'm remembering right, it's explained this these Cybermen from our universe originated on the planet Mondas, earths twin planet (somehow) which was knocked out of orbit (somehow) thousands of years before life on ours began, and thus Mondas ended up a trillion light years outside our galaxy, during which point the 'humans' of Mondas had greatly polluted and damaged their own planet, to the point of it being almost unlivable due to all the pollution, war and general chaos-

And so, in order to surivive, they began to experiment on themselves with technology, the drive to survive, that will to live, that will to be human... Taking them to the point of removing almost anything that made them human in the first place.

And after this, they decided to explore the galaxy. Find more planets, more people, more living tissues, organs and bodies to grind, edit and become parts of themselves. To become part of the cyberman race.

And so, upon travelling back to where Mondas had once been, they discoverd our Earth. Now full of billions of people. Breathable atmosphere. Ripe for the taking, since thier Mondas had long since been destoryed and left to rot.

Only problem? Earth had something that Mondas did not. The cybermen had changed themselves and adapted for anything on Mondas. But the one thing Mondas didn't have? Gold. The one, strange, unknown element that their bodies and tecnology just couldn't handle and had a severe allergy and weakness for, like the Tripods in war the worlds being sneezed on and catching a cold and thus dying as a result due to their immune systems having no idea what a cold is.

Or to put it simple;

The writers realised the Cybermen pretty much had no weakness, and were far too 'OP please nerf' so they invented a weakness for them.
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>>42117686
I was about to say, I remember watching an episode where the leader was taken out by a gold star shoved into his air vent chest.
I think it was the one where a ship was crashing into prehistoric earth, becoming the comet.

It's nice to see such a passionate and informed explanation.

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>>42117688

Ah yes, the one were the 5th Doctor lets his (admittedly annoying) companion Adric fucking die rather than just, you know, use his Time and space Travelling Tardis to rescuse him like he has done for lots of other people trapped on crashing spaceships like he has done throughout the series quite a few times.

Boy, the 5th Doctor sure was a dick that day.

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>>42117686
Since 2011 (A Good Man Goes to War) and 2013 (Nightmare in Silver) I can no longer tell the difference between Mondas cybermen and Cybus cybermen.

From what I understand the Cybus cybermen were introduced because it was believed the Mondas cybermen were wiped out and that cybermen in general were a popular Doctor Who villain that Russel T Davis wanted to bring them back.

But there were these cybus-like "cyber legions" dotted around space that somehow survived being lost in the void... but were refered to as Mondas cybermen who I thought were suppose to be wiped out?

If some Cybus cybermen survived, found mondas cyber-tombs and intergrated the technology then sure, I can accept that. But there has been no clear explanation who are the Cybermen now.

(Doesn't help the TARDIS wiki merged the two seperate Cybermen articles into one.)

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>>42117714

The only real conclusion that has been drawn, given the removal of the 'cybus industries' logo from the current Cybermen in modern who, is that at some point the parallel cybermen met the Mondas cybermen of our world and they combined tecnologies and merged into one.

Pretty sure the Cybermen from 'closing time' are implied in the script for the episode to be Cybermen from Mondas, hence them using CyberMat's, which modern Cybermen had never been seen using only classic series Cybermen, it's just never said in the episode itself, and obviously they didn't have the budget to come up with brand new Cybermen designs, so they simply reused the Parallel Cyberman design just without the Cybus logo to imply these were not Cybus cybermen.

So yeah, to try and sum it up-

Off screen at some point parallel Cybermen, presumably a small group that escaped the void, and Mondas Cybermen encountered one another, combined their technologies and became one- Just the shows budget did not allow for some classic/who hybrid cyberman design to be made so they modified and reused the suits they already had.

Although it's not said in the show, that seems to be the canon agreement most people come too.

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>>42117716
I did speculate this, especially the adfventure game "Blood of the Cybermen" could be Cybus and Mondas Cybermen being fully intergrated. Though I don't know how canon the games or books are which is why I rarely refer to sources outside the TV series.

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>>42117723

The only confirmed canon non TV series outside media would be the New Series Adventure books, due to one of the planets that was in one of the books being namedropped in one of the TV episodes.

The other confirmed canon non TV episodes would be the Big Finish audio stories, due to The Night Of The Doctor mini tv episode, in which the 8th Doctor names all of the companions he had in the Big Finish audio series.

So confirmed canon non tv stories due to them being mentioned in the TV series-

Big Finish Audio stories and the New Series Adventure Books.
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>>42117646
The Tenth Planet's cybermen are seriously eerie if you accept the cheap cloth mask as the "this is what faces looked like, right?" logic of a species that literally tore themselves apart.

Modern cybermen are fine for 'oh no, killer robots', but they rarely give the 'echo of a biological species' thing.

>>42117489
Nice summary!

Doctor crossovers are always fun, but I feel the First Doctor's increasing gotten the short of the stick since he's been increasingly characterised as 'grumpy old man' (or, worse: grumpy old bigot) instead of the caring and gentlemanly grandfather he always was. Besides, he once mentally claimed to be a walrus just to prove to his captors that their mind-readers wouldn't work on him, and that cheeky humour never comes back.

>>42117691
>Ah yes, the one were the 5th Doctor lets his (admittedly annoying) companion Adric fucking die rather than just, you know, use his Time and space Travelling Tardis to rescuse him like he has done for lots of other people trapped on crashing spaceships like he has done throughout the series quite a few times.
I kinda don't like 'the Doctor can fix everything' as a constant truth. There's really no threat level once it's proven he can deliberately (and accidentally) turn his friends into immortal beings.

Besides, I like Adric's death if you view it as a key moment in the Doctor's life, since following incarnations almost seem like stages of grief: the Sixth showing anger/denial (much stricter, trying to 'fix' the Tardis), and the Seventh as depression/acceptance (the 'sad clown' thing, plus he picked a more troubled companion than normal).

>>42117477
>>42117621
I feel we're overdue for a new hit sci-fi series.

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Also, Susan Foreman's actress is still alive and I seriously want a canon regeneration scene for her.

Especially with the current Doctor, it'd be great to have an old lady save the day, look at Thirteenth and say, "...Grandad?"

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>>42117828

I'm pretty sure that the design inspiration, as was said by the guy who designed them, for the cheap cloth masks the Original cybermen wore were inspired by old surgery and medical masks (which were worn by those with severe burns, scars etc), as well as bandages, so it's supposed to be some kind of body horror with their faces being masked and bandaged/stapled together, due to them having mutilated, edited and sliced apart their own faces so much that without any protection there faces would pretty much fall apart.

Which is pretty horrific.

>>42117832

Hey, Susan can come back.. Even better if theres a plot twist and she turns out to be the Rani all along.

But seriously, yesterdays episode mentioned the celestial toymaker, now there's a classic 1st doctor villan I want to see a return of.

Lovely to hear him get a mention in modern who

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>>42117828
There is the Orville, I do like that series. I wish Star Trek was a bit more like The Orville.

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>>42117844

Just a reminder that the Borg and the Cybermen once met (In a semi maybe sort of prehaps not canon) official BBC Doctor Who comic series...

And the Borg ended up being slaughtered and converted into Cybermen, with the Borg begging the Doctor for help.

No, really- There was an official Doctor who/Star Treck crossover

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>>42117845
I've been meaning to read Assimilation² for awhile now.

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>>42117846

Long as you don't take it too seriously it is good fun, plus some of the special covers are great.

Just need a Red Dwarf and Doctor Who crossover now to make my dreams come true

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>>42117847
In the episode Demons & Angels, some have pointed out what could possibly be the TARDIS seen when Starbug crashes through Red Dwarf cargo bay.
Red Dwarf-0505 Demons & Angels - TARDIS appearance

But it may unlikely ever happen due to one of Red dwarfs "No aliens" rule. Despite being a space sci-fi sitcom all the bizarre creatures seen throughout the series are either simulants or Genetically Engineered Lifeforms (GELFs) who's decendants have founded their own civilizations.

Given the Doctor is 100% alien (or half human maybe but only the eighth Doctor believed that) the only way the Doctor would show up in Red Dwarf would be if he was from another universe.

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>>42117841
>the cheap cloth masks the Original cybermen wore were inspired by old surgery and medical masks
Makes sense! They were like gore-free Silent Hill enemies before it was popular.

>yesterdays episode mentioned the celestial toymaker

Oh damn, really? That IS one of the classics who I wanted to see back!

I've kinda fallen off Doctor Who lately: I'm glad it's not Moffat anymore and I think Whittaker makes a great Doctor, but all of her scripts seemed to really over-explain everything. Plus, memory-wiping, particularly at the end of stories to clean up lose ends, is something I really hate.

I'm sure I'll pick through ep summaries at some point, though.

> Even better if theres a plot twist and [Susan] turns out to be the Rani all along.

Ha! That'd be fun.

>>42117844
>Orville
Haven't seen it, what's it like?

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>>42117859
It's a bit like Star Trek if it didn't take itself so seriously.
The Orville | official trailer (2017)

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Just fancied going on a small little rant regarding the 10th doctor.

Don't get me wrong, I do like ten, and Tennent owned the role and made it his, and helped bring Doctor Who to the mainstream

But... I don't like how ten has become sort or a cliche copy and paste style 'iconic Doctor The Doctor' of New who, like how four is the 'iconic Doctor the Doctor' of Classic Who.

I do understand why, for his Doctor is the most human. The emotional Doctor.

The young, handsome quirky Doctor with great hair. But there in lies the issue- He's a little TOO human.

Ten is the sort of Cliche Fan fiction dot net style 'what if the Doctor was like, young and handsome, really emotional, loved holding hands, kissing and could fall in love and be my Boyfriend?' Kind of Doctor.

And people forget the Doctor is supposed to be alien, while Ten comes off as just a very smart emotional human.

The Doctor is supposed to be an ancient, complicated space time anomaly, who despite looking human is vastly, so, so much more and far more different than just any tiny, short lived humanoid.

He's not alien enough in my opinion.

...Although I have always loved his rather iconic pinstripe Trousers, shirt, fancy tie and Big Brown jacket look.

His blue suit look was alright, but the Brown Jacket look? Now that's ten.
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>>42117938
I do sort of get what you mean, I think his rather human behavior as the Tenth Doctor could of been because he was still hung up over the loss of Gallifrey at times and there were moments he was the War Doctor... even though the War Doctor who was not canonical at the time.

Perhaps "being human" was a coping mechanism throughout his time as Tenth Doctor because he believed he destroyed Gallifrey and that he was responsible for being the remaining Time Lord. This made him behave more human in attempt to fit in with others but despite being two faces a go and yet canonical there were moments he was the War Doctor and it's these moments why he needs companionship to be a better person.

David Tennant was the longest running Doctor so far and because of this the Doctor has forgot himself, it was around The Waters of Mars when he came to the conclusion that he should embraced what he did and falsely claimed it as a right to be "Time Lord Victorious". He was willing to give up what it means to be both Time Lord and Human for his own morality of justice. The death of Adelaide made him reflect on his decisions, his morality and that while he does not want to go, that he could do so much more, he eventually concludes that he's stayed too long.

I think that what made him a popular and recognisable doctor, or the very least to me "my Doctor". I know he is a Time Lord, I know he behaved somewhat human but all in all I recognised him as a person than one or the other.
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>>42117943

Like I already said- I don't dislike Ten, and I greatly respect Tennant as an actor and a person.

You do make some good points. After all, in Day of the Doctor ten was referred to as being 'the one who regrets' and that sums up his character, his Doctor, number ten, up best.

He regrets. His actions, his past. The war, the death and chaos. Nine was the aftershock. The still angry, fiery war veteran who fancied revenge.. But ten? He feels no need for revenge, he simply feels pain, loss, and regret, which doesn't help when his entire arc is him being shat on by the Universe.

Oh you have Rose? Yoink, she gone and she's never coming back. Martha, hey you made a friend. But she loves you and you don't love her.. and now her family have been kidnapped and tortured, by your former best childhood friend just because he's angry at you.

But it's okay, you stopped him- And oh he's refused to regenerate and he's dead. Oh and Martha, your only friend, is leaving you as she has realised her love for you is one sided.

Hey, Donna's back! And she doesn't love you or fancy you, a true, real honest friend at last! Also you just met this women from your future who clearly cares deeply for you and loves you and- Nevermind shes dead.

Oh, and Donna? Well, her minds gonna have to be wiped, and she can never know of you again so 'your Donna' is now pretty much dead.

Oh and Wilf? One of a few friends left? Just as you thought you had beaten your prophecy, the doom driven fate of yours to die; Turns out you're gonna have to sacrifice yourself for him. That's right, save someone elses life and die.

Yeah, the universe pretty much shat on ten nonstop, and that's without going into the whole John Smith human arc thing too.

On another note, this was the Doctor who started the whole 'fantastic Doctor speech' thing.

One of my favourite examples of this comes from Big Finish as it happens, with the Seventh Doctor. Just give a listen to this, as it sums the Doctor up well, 0:50 onwards.

Doctor Who - The Seventh Doctor is Scary AF

So, who is this Doctor? Is he good? Is he bad?

Well, he's not bad. He's had his moments of good, but at the end of the day it doesnt really matter-

He is the Doctor. He cares for this world, he cares for it's people. And if you try and take that away, and hurt this planet and the people he cares for? then may whatever gods you worship have mercy on your soul.

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>>42117944
As Twelth once asked, "Am I a good man?", it took him to realise he was not, but he also knows he is not a bad man either. Just a man with a box.
"I Am An Idiot!" | Death In Heaven | Doctor Who | BBC

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>>42117380
Delete this.

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Wait...so Gallifrey was destroyed after all? I don’t understand how this has changed so suddenly

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>>42118043

Unrelated. Gallifrey gets destroyed in one timeline, leading to the 9th Doctor knowing he had destroyed it.

However, in the events of day of the Doctor war, 10, 11 (with the help of 12 and all doctors 8 and prior) save Gallifrey by altering the past by tricking the daleks into wiping out themselves, while moving Gallifrey into another universe trillions of years away and into the future, hiding Galifrey its own bubble universe, while the Daleks are destroyed and Galifrey, to the rest of the Universe, vanished thus leading the universe into thinking Galifrey had also been destroyed.

HOWEVER at the start of this current series it's discovered that the Master, having seemingly learnt some awful, horrific evil truth about Galifrey and it's past, goes a tad mad and angry and decides to get revenge by pretty much nuking Galifrey.

So, to answer your question as to if Galifrey has been destroyed all along;

Well no, but actually yes.

Will say it pisses me off we bring Galifrey back after so long only for it to get blown up AGAIN

Gee thanks Chibnall..

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>>42118138
My guess is that it's leading to the Valeyard plot.

After all even I'm not sure how the Master returned after killing Missy in the back.

And a new Doctor who doesn't recall the current one yet appears more aggressive in nature.

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>>42118143

Valeyard would be cool, but I'm hoping to see the dream lord come back sometime.

And hey, the master always dies. That's...kind of the Masters thing.

I mean, the 5th Doctor watched the master burn to ash literally, then he was fine and came back to piss off the 7th Doctor, before turning into a cheetah person, then being sentenced to death by the daleks, being executed by them, then somehow coming back from that to posses an alien snake, then a human host body..

Before then being sucked into the Tardises eye of harmony. Literally sucked into a black hole, then he came back anyway for the time war, ran away, came back to torment 10 before being shot dead for good, refused to regenerate, had his body burnt to ash, yet still was brought back to life by a literal magic potion, became a superpower skeletor flying laser guy, then was seemingly sucked back to Galifrey while being murdered by Rassilon.. Then came back as Missy, who was last seen on Skaro surronded by pissed off daleks about to kill her in a collapsing sewer with no way out.. Then was fine for the whole vault arc.

Survived all that yet you think a simple laser screwdriver blast will be enough to kill the master?

Yeah, Master never dies. Kind of like the Joker I guess, plot armor and popularity death immunity.
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>>42118143
My guess/hope is that's it's leading to the oldest "secret Doctor" fan theory in the entire Doctor Who community - the Second-and-a-Halfth Doctor.

Basically, the theory's always gone that when the Time Lords abducted and forcibly regenerated Two, and then we see him stumble out of the TARDIS as Three to begin his exile on Earth... there's absolutely no proof that the Time Lords let him get off that easy. They could have actually forced him to work for them for as long as they wanted, as an enslaved spy, and then killed him and wiped his memory when they got bored of him - THEN they could drop him off for his exile as "Three", and act like nothing happened. It would have been very, very easy for them, with their technology.

The 2½ Theory makes perfect sense for what we see of the Ruth Doctor - she's working for the Time Lords, and she's pre-sonic-screwdriver, but post-TARDIS-getting-stuck-as-a-police-box. So somewhere between 1 and 3. It's the only logical spot.

I really hope I'm right, because I've loved this theory since I was a kid, and it just works so well.

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>>42118179
I guess that could make sense given the High Council can give additional regenerations to Time Lords but I figure they could only give an additional 12 regenerations in one go or none, but I could be mistaken.
Unless "2½ Doctor" consist of twelve additional regenerations.

I dunno how I would feel if Ruth turned out to be 2½ Doctor. Especially given the Doctor would of had to avoid 2½ Doctor all this time. With the Time War being this big issue that spanned since the start of the modern series of Doctor Who only for it to end up in ruins anyway and a brand new Master I can't help feel but Chiball is dipping the series in "alternate universe" territory in a careless whim sort of way. While that has been done a few times before such as Pete's World or the Bubble Universe they wern't of big significance to the series as Doctor Who usually keeps within the established time and space of the universe.

I won't lie, haven't been that big into Doctor Who since Chris Chibnall. I'm not against the Doctor now being a Time Lady but I am against bad writing and soapbox speeches hammering the message of the episode at the end.

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So we getting a new Audio story from big finish featuring Paul Mcgann and..Tom baker?

Indeed, 8 is apparently stranded in modern 2020 London where he comes upon a familiar yet different face..

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>>42118193
Might check that out.
I kinda dropped out of following Eight's adventures post-Dark Eyes. The moment he put on that new outfit and cut his hair and basically went full-on "it's not a phase, mom!", for me, a lot of what made him the best Doctor was lost. He had so much wonder and heart, and wackiness, he was like Four meets Ten. Now he's more of a Nine or War. Which makes sense, since he's getting there...
Since Four will be showing up in this next one, hopefully that'll brighten him up a bit.

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>>42118259

He's not meeting four, he's meeting the curator.

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Who we thinking is the 14 Doctor lads? Or who would we like?

I'm calling richard ayoade. I mean, bit too obvious, but come on he's pretty much the Doctor already.

That and I mean, he's black so the BBC can be all 'hey look, you wanted the Doctor to be male again but plotwist; He's black!' Well, mixed race really but still.

Plus the guy is just always a fantastic all around nice guy.

Kris Marshall would be another pick, although he was the front runner and odds on bet to be the 13th Doctor prior to Jodie.

Although if you want an out there nobody saw it coming kind of 14th Doctor..

Rupert Grint.

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>>42118275
Ooh, right. That's particularly interesting, I hope we get more lore on who he is and what he's done.

>>42118347
I'm hoping for an unknown or lesser known actor to be honest. But I think you're right that Richard Ayoade has that energy.

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>>42118347
>>42118352
I will be the next doctor.

I'm not black, sure, but I'm Canadian. And the accent will certainly throw EVERYONE off.

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>>42118347
I think too obvious a choice to go by.

(But it fits with my headcanon that my favourite gameshow Crystal Maze actually takes place in a TARDIS and that the Richard O'Brien actually regenerated into Ed Tudor-Pole who eventually regenerated into Steven Merchant who is now Richard Ayoade.)

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>>42118364
There was a time I wished to be "The next Doctor" but now I think I'm a bit too overweight for it.
I mean, I'd slim down for the role if offered but I dunno what new quirks to bring to the Doctor if I was the next Doctor.

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>>42118364

Aware you are joking, but I take it you are aware of the unspoken rule of doctor casting? The actor playing the Doctor has to be British.

I mean, you are Canadian which makes you an honorary Brit and all- But not British.

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>>42118369
Does his teeth also have to look like something out of the British Isles?

Also Can it be an American?
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>>42118422

>Making jokes about British teeth


Thought you were better than that.

You know, much as I don't mind the stereotypes, that is one that irkes me

Why? It makes zero sense. Not only have many stuides shown that the UK has better dental than the US, but guess what?

Dental work is NHS work here in the UK.

It's free. You have to pay in America.

Yet somehow ours are worse? Christ, get's on my tits lads.

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>>42118441
I myself had the one molar surgically removed.

I remember the day it cracked due to cavaty. I was dissapointed with myself because I always brushed my teeth but turns out I missed that spot all the time. While my mother was not dissapointed in me given she taught me the importance of oral hygene I felt I let her down a bit.
Good news however that molar was a long overdue babytooth so even removed I got a bit of a back up poking through the stump.

I also have a bit of a snaggletooth premolar which is like my personal anime fang. The babytooth behind it is a little loose and will probably come out sooner or later.

The only dental problem I usually have is tartar build up behind the lower incisors but I don't mind the dentist chisling it out for me every time I get a check up.

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>>42118369
I'm more English than you.

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>>42118479

You're more French than English Leaf

...But I still love you regardless


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