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What are you listening to? ScorchCountry code: blank.gif, country type: ponyflag, valid: 42113545[View All]

No, seriously...just...what music are you listening to?
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>>42146403
>mockery

Its generally meant to pay homage to it, though.

A lot of vaporwave fans ARE also fans of the original music/80s music in general. There can be both.
>>42146402
The stuff you described literally is what remixing is, though. I mean what did you think remixing is?

I'm sorry if the song caused you literal pain, it really baffles me that something that tame could do that.

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>>42146406
Remixing in general is taking a song and switching up the beat, tempo or whatever to make it sound somewhat different while still keeping the overall flow.

I wouldn't call what you posted a 'remix' because there is no flow. There is no alternate tempo or beat. In fact there is no tempo or beat at all. It's just taking random samples, and either slowing them down or speeding them up and more or less randomly slapping them together in no particular order, with no particular sense of flow.

I would be hard pressed to even call what I heard music, to be quite honest. It was like someone having a fist fight with a CD player who's batteries were dying. I just don't understand what it's supposed to be for. I'm not trying to put you down, again, I'm sorry, but for me it was like watching someone chew glass.

Also,
>Its generally meant to pay homage to it, though.
While that may be the intent they often sorely miss the mark. There's something special and unique about 80's music that you just don't find anywhere else, and often times these types of 'homages' are just very superficial attempts at replicating a 'stereotypical' 80's feel that doesn't have any of the soul of the originals.
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>>42146408
I hate to actually stick up for Chewy but what he posted is actually pretty classic vaporwave. It's not a remix at all, though.

And there is a beat and rhythm, it's in the repetitiveness of the "skips".

Chuck Person's Eccojams Vol. 1 is pretty definitive for the genre of Vaporwave as a whole, too.

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>>42146408
Where did you come up with these strict definitions for what a remix is? There are all kinds of ways to remix something that go way beyond what you are saying.

I referenced this conversation with my Mom about an hour ago. She is in her 50s and not especially into music, and I asked her "Does this really sound as weird/abrasive as Toybox is saying it does?" and I played for her the Eccojams song.

She said, "Its a little weird, but I like how dreamy and hypnotic it sounds, and the subtle changes that are made with different loops."

So I'm not just crazy, this is stuff that is not hard for people who aren't super into music to apprreciate, even if they are generations apart.

>>42146413
Admittedly I think these days the line between a standalone vaporwave track and just a vaporwave remix often get blurred, but you're basically right, here.

Toy's idea of what remixing is limited to...I just want to know where she gets these definitions from. You can spend like two minutes skimming wikipedia or other informative sites to get an idea of how this stuff is actually defined/created, why people enjoy it, etc.

The way Toy talks about music, its unlike anyone else, its almost like she came from another planet and is trying to apply alien rules to music here.

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>>42146413
>>42146414
It literally skips though. It's not like they are adding a separate beat or anything. It's literally just skipping the track on itself. I can't believe I'm the only person who finds that horribly obnoxious and grating. Like, it just playing slow was a bit meh, but once it started just skipping the track so one little section kept abruptly repeating like it was a broken record I had to shut it off. It triggered me so hard.

The entire time I was just thinking, "No. Stop this. Why are you doing this to me? What did this song do to deserve this kind of punishment?"
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>>42146415
Sure, but it's a beat.

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>>42146415
Cutting up sections of a sample and looping them is very common in remixes. If you paid attention to the song you'd notice that there were also speed and pitch changes throughout, as well as a lot of added reverb to give it the hazy, dreamy quality. And it HAS a beat, I'm not sure you understand what a beat is.

Also you are doing the overly-dramatic thing again...

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https://soundcloud.com/unicorn_on_ketamine/unicorn-on-ketamine-presents-summer-threephasic-mix-2
I listened through this whole mix yesterday. It'll make Toybox angry at me for enjoying it. Worth it.

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>>42146416
In the same way a boxing match technically has a beat I guess...

>>42146423
>If you paid attention to the song you'd notice that there were also speed and pitch changes throughout, as well as a lot of added reverb to give it the hazy, dreamy quality.
The only hazy dream like quality I found was that of a horrific fever dream I desperately wanted to wake up from. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying it's very difficult for me to pay close attention to a song that feels like it's punching me in the face.

When I think hazy and dreamy, I think of something like this: Enya - Aniron (Extended) HD

>>42146426
I'm not angry that anyone enjoys this shit. You can listen to it as much as you want, it's your life, I don't care what you listen to.

As long as no one is forcing me to listen to it.

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>vaporwave
>a genre rooted in reflecting on the commercialised culture of the late 20th century
>in which most of our boomer asses grew up
>and in a manner that evokes the bittersweet, melancholic and dreamlike way our "mind's eye" often relives it
<have a violent discomfort with it that ends in lashing out at others and badmouthing the very concept of the genre

Not gonna lie, it boggles my mind between Toy having this reaction to it and her not having even known about it until 2020. To each their own, I suppose.

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>>42146438
I knew the genre existed, I just never bothered to really listen to it until now. I assumed it was mostly just synthetic attempts at recreating an 80's aesthetic. I was not aware it was so.... violently aggressive. It really caught me off guard. My reaction was so extreme because I was going in expecting a pleather sofa but I was not expecting all the cushions to be filled with jagged rocks.
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>>42146439
>violently aggressive
>jagged rocks
These descriptions honestly confuse me; while I won't deny that this is how vaporwave feels for you, for me it feels nostalgic, floaty and soothingly hallucinatory. Even cuts from one audio clip to another feel more like a jump from one moment of a dream to another, without feeling jagged or sharp.

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>>42146443
For me it feels like a fever dream and I mean that in a good way, it's kind of hard for me to be nostalgic for a decade I wasn't born in, you know?

Maybe slightly surreal would be a better word than fever dream.

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>>42146444
I kinda agree with her.

This is what I'd call floaty and hallucinatory: After Image

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>>42146439
If you want pleather Chesterfield, you need retrowave or synthwave.

HOME - "Resonance"
憂鬱 - "Sun"
Night Runner - Magnum Bullets

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>>42146446
Okay, so the first two links are basically what I was talking about about people trying to capture the 80's aesthetic without actually understanding what the 80's actually were, but at least they are actually not painful to listen to.

That last one though, whoever that is, that nailed it. THAT is what 80's actually sounded like, and even though the song is not really something I'd consider a favorite, I won't deny that THIS is what 80's pop is supposed to sound like.

Gold star for you.

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>>42146443
>floaty and soothingly hallucinatory.
It's the cuts. They are too 'sharp' They don't transition anywhere, they just suddenly and abruptly stop in mid-note. There is no flow. It's like you're running along and then you have like a tether that is attached to your waist and suddenly you are just jerked backwards a few feet and you start running again only to be violently yanked back to where you just were and have to do it again, repeatedly. It's not an enjoyable experience for me.

For me, listening to a song is sort of like taking a jog or just taking a ride through the sound. I enjoy a constant steady flow that I can ride all the way to the end. This doesn't have that. When they cut and repeat the same section over and over it feels like my ride is suddenly cut short and then violently dragged back to where I was a few seconds ago, then I try to get back on that track only to be yanked back violently again, repeatedly. There is nothing 'floaty' or 'soothing' about this for me. It's like standing in a cube and walking from one end to the other only to experience whatever is holding the cube suddenly yank the floor out from under you and slam you back into the wall you started from. I don't find it a pleasurable experience at all.

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>>42146448
The first two are synthwave/retrowave. They're just meant to evoke the 80s, not capture the exact feeling. The idea is "nostalgia for a time you never knew."

I expect the reason you say this about the third track might have something to do with the fact that there's vocals.

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>>42146453
>The idea is "nostalgia for a time you never knew."
That's probably where the problem is. Cause I do know it. I lived through it. So I can tell when it's wrong.

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>>42146454
Perhaps.

Maybe you'd rather attribute that idea to music that evokes the 70s.

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>>42146455
Except I hate 70's music.

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>>42146456
Dare I ask, why do you hate 70s music?
Cuz its a hell of a lot better than 80s music imo.

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>>42146462
I don't like hippies. Also I'm not a huge fan of the more 'traditional' rock sounds.

There are exceptions to this however. Two that I can think of off the top of my head are "Hotel California" by the Eagles:
Eagles - Hotel California [Lyrics]
and "Wayward Son" by Kansas
Kansas - Carry On Wayward Son (Official Audio)

These are rare exceptions. Overall I'm not a fan of the styles of the 60's and 70's.

I've always been curious why you dislike 80's stuff, other than the fact that 80's is basically the era that defined 'pop' which is a genre you seem to hate. (Though I will state that 80's pop is it's own completely different animal compared to pop of other decades.)
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>>42146464
Not really sure what "hippies" have to do with anything. I prefer them to yuppies though.

Hotel California is honestly one of the most obnoxious and irritating songs I've ever heard. It played basically every hour at the store I used to work at and I hated it. That's not the kind of music I think of when I think of the 70s.

Also 70s rock was far from "traditional", traditional, original rock was 40s and 50s.

Pink Floyd - Welcome To The Machine

Marvin Gaye - What's Going On

Kraftwerk - The Man Machine

Music for 18 Musicians

Funkadelic - Maggot Brain [HQ]

Herbie Hancock - Chameleon (FULL VERSION)

Bitches Brew

^^^This is great 70s music. Also I intentionally picked stuff that was extremely popular/acclaimed/high-selling etc. so you can't tell me any of this is "obscure."

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>>42146471
Oh, I wouldn't say any of that stuff is obscure, even though there are a few there I haven't heard of. I will say however I don't like any of it.

What I like about Hotel California is the narrative it builds in it's lyrics. This surreal idea of a hotel that once you enter, you kinda become trapped in. However, this can also be taken to a broader perspective that is echo'ed in songs like Californication by the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Californication [Official Music Video]

Having grown up in California myself I kinda 'get' what these songs are trying to say in that California is less of a place as it is a state of mind. This is reflected in the lyrics from Hotel California where they say 'You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.' The idea here is that once you become 'Californian' you will remain a Californian because being Californian isn't about living in California more than it is living like a Californian, even if you move somewhere else. In Californication this is reflected in the lyrics "It's understood that Hollywood sells Californication." I know most people here won't understand it, but what "California" represents is what it has always represented since it was first colonized: Oppertunity. That has changed a lot over the decades, it starting with the gold rush, and then moving into becoming movie stars, or becoming a tech guru, or whatever. California has always been 'the land of dreams' but at the same time, those dreams can easily become nightmares for those who aren't able to make it.

This is why so many songs exist about California because it has this weird property of having an almost mythical sense of being a wonderland that can either be absolute heaven or a living hell.

Both these songs more or less use that as their narrative. Hotel California presents it as a 'hotel' where people can lose themselves in it, indulging in the pleasures it provides but also becoming prisoners within it.

That is why I find the song so fascinating, because it's a narrative I can relate to and understand, and it's something I don't think you can fully understand without experiencing it yourself.

Almost all songs that I like have a personal meaning to me. I like to be able to relate to it in some way. I have a hard time appreciating a song just for what it is. If it doesn't have personal meaning for me, I usually don't have an interest in it.
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>>42146475
I actually like Red Hot Chili Peppers a good bit. They're not an all-time favorite, but they have a few good songs.

Red Hot Chili Peppers - Otherside [Official Music Video]

Red Hot Chili Peppers - Dark Necessities [OFFICIAL VIDEO]

Red Hot Chili Peppers - Can't Stop [Official Music Video]

>Almost all songs that I like have a personal meaning to me. I like to be able to relate to it in some way. I have a hard time appreciating a song just for what it is. If it doesn't have personal meaning for me, I usually don't have an interest in it.


I'm very different in that regard because I don't feel like I need to relate to lyrics at all to appreciate them. I'm very empathetic, so when I hear an artist singing or rapping about a struggle I have no personal experience with, I can still feel it a bit, or at least feel moved by it enough that it seems powerful to me.

This is why I get annoyed when middle or upper-class white people in the suburbs go on about "Ugh, why are there so much drugs and violence in rap?", because while I'm not trying to justify ALL of it, I think its easy for privileged people (myself included) to be like "Pfft, I would never do something like that, I have morals!" without having any clue what its actually like to live dirt poor in a violent city filled with gangs and thugs and drug addicts and crooked cops etc.

But yeah, I suppose it can be easier to appreciate relatable lyrics. Although honestly there are a lot of songs I relate to that are just bad. There are sooo many pop songs about love and/or sex that miss the mark SO badly, and I actually have the perspective of being in love and having had sex now.

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>>42146481
>>42146481
>without having any clue what its actually like to live dirt poor in a violent city filled with gangs and thugs and drug addicts and crooked cops etc.

See, for me I did live dirt poor in a city filled with gangs and thugs and drug addicts. The main difference is the people that listened to these types of songs were also the ones that treated me like absolute shit growing up. So that kinda made me have no interest in what they have to say. Sure, it's biased, I admit that, but at the end of the day it's just music and I don't hate people that listen to it. I just don't listen to it myself.

I've also never resorted to alcohol or drug use as a coping method, so any talk of either doesn't really trigger any form of empathy in me, because I've always viewed it as purposeful self-harm.

Almost all the music I listen to, I listen to it not for the art, but so I can get lost in either the flow of the song itself or the narrative it's trying to paint. This is probably due to growing up listening to a lot of country music, where the lyrics were generally always telling some sort of story and were almost always the most important part of the song. There are some songs I listen to just for the sound, but overall a good set of lyrics will generally be the thing that draws me in the most. Though, again if I can't relate to the story being told in some way (Even if I have to reimagine it a bit to make it fit my purposes), then most likely I won't have much of an interest in it.

Music is very personal for me, I suppose. That's why I'm so picky about it and can't listen to full albums most of the time. If a song doesn't click with me, I don't have any interest in listening to it, even if it's on the same album of a song I do like. I get really into music that I like but I don't care much about what critics say or anything like that, because the music I like, I like for personal reasons and what a critic has to say about it has no bearing on how it makes me feel. For me, music is like comfort food. I don't go out of my way to broaden my pallet and learn the ins and outs of the musical world. I just find something that makes me happy and stuff my face with it because I like it.
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>>42146482
> I don't go out of my way to broaden my pallet and learn the ins and outs of the musical world. I just find something that makes me happy and stuff my face with it because I like it.

This is the crux of the issues between you and me--you can openly admit that you are not very deeply into music, YET in the same breath you will try to assert whether something "is or isn't music" or "is or isn't [x] or [y] genre" or what a remix is etc.

You're basically contradicting yourself. "I don't know much about this, but I know more than you who obviously is way more into it than I am." That's what bothers me.

Many of the things you claim are true about music I show you can also be disproven with literally like 35 seconds of a google search.

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>>42146488
When it comes to music I view it mostly as a matter of opinion more than anything else. So I'm not really trying to assert any kind of official definition when I say things like that. I'm more or less just voicing my opinion on the matter.

When I say something 'isn't music' it's not because I'm trying to say that it can't be viewed as such, or isn't defined as such, I'm simply saying that from my personal point of view I cannot find any musical merit in it. Music by it's very nature is subjective so it's very hard to even define most of it to begin with.

I'm also a kind of blunt and honest person overall. If I like something I'll express it. If I don't, I'll also express it. But just because I like or dislike something doesn't mean I expect everyone to, or will treat people who have a different opinion on it as 'bad' or 'wrong'. If anything else, if I say something like, "How can anyone listen to this?" I'm not trying to be insulting, it's actually overall a genuine question because it's something I truly do not understand. I'm aware that sometimes comes across as abrasive, and I try to not be OVERLY aggressive about it. (I admit I overracted about the Africa thing but that's because I had a REALLY bad reaction to it. It triggered the same rage in me that ASMR tends to).

Overall I don't claim to be a big music buff, but I do take the music I like seriously for the most part. That being said, when it comes to things like this, which are highly subjective, I tend to be much more opinionated about it than something that can be factually stated. I also have a habit of being much more passionate about topics that are incredibly unimportant in the grand scheme of things simply because I know that having an outlandish opinion isn't going to really affect anything meaningful at the end of the day so I can kinda go crazy with it.

So if I say something sucks, it doesn't mean I think no one should like it. It just means that I don't like it.

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>>42146492
Alright that's fair but like, remember when you tried to tell me Benga ISN'T actually dubstep? That is NOT subjective. In a lot of cases genres can be defined/labeled *objectively* because saying "this is X genre" has nothing to do with quality or value, its just pointing out "this song or album uses these instruments and/or electronics, beats, rhythms, styles etc., which are characteristics of X genre as it has been historically defined, therefore we can OBJECTIVELY say that it can be categorized under that genre." But you were trying to use your own arbitrary rules for what dubstep was which can be debunked just by googling the genre and reading about it.

Do you get what I mean?

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>>42146494
Yeah. In that instance I chalk that up to Benga being like "Italian Style Pizza" in the sense that it's probably technically correct but it's in a format I've never experienced before so it came across as completely weird to me.

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>>42146511
Well, as long as you can accept that it *is* in fact dubstep, that's fine.

Really though, can we get this thread back on track? I have music I want to post (and you don't have to listen to it lol).

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>>42146517
Yeah, that's fine. I am still curious why you hate 80's music so much though, you never answered that.

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>>42146518

Well, it's not so much that I hate 80s music as a whole, its moreso that I hate (most) 80s pop music (synthpop, glam metal, even hip-hop in the 80s was mostly mediocre imo, though there are a good few noteworthy exceptions in terms of stellar rappers/albums).

I also just kinda hate the aesthetics of the 80s, and the lifestyles that were romanticized (cocaine-snorting yuppies, the "heroin chic" for women's fashion, the ridiculous hairstyles and oversized clothing, etc.).

I will say, the 80s had a LOT of great action films. I will concede that much. I watched the original Terminator movie about a month ago and my god it is a masterpiece.

But really its kind of hard to explain what makes 80s pop so bad to me, it's hard to pinpoint, I swear there's just something about the synths and the overblown singing that just makes me nearly gag. I think the 80s is probably the decade in the 20th century that has the absolute least albums I would consider masterpieces.

It's all a matter of taste, of course, and I wasn't alive in the 80s, but that's just how I see them. Almost nothing about it appeals to me. 60s, 70s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s, I love all of those. Even the 50s was pretty good for jazz. But there's just something wrong with the 80s for me.

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>>42146520
I'm the exact opposite, but I grew up with it. I do enjoy some 90's stuff as well. However most stuff before and after that era are genuinely kind of meh for me. I absolutely lothe 60's and 70's aesthetic. The 2000's + stuff feels a lot more manufactured. In that sense it feels like a lot of modern music is based on algorithmic decisions. Like "What would get the most views." or "What would attract the biggest audience." there's not much 'heart' in it anymore, at least from my point of view. The 80's was special for me because it was a time when we were finally blossoming out of that podunk feel and stepping into the modern age, and everything was new and people were exploring everything this new modern age had to discover. Everything was bright and neon, clothing and hair designs were wild and experimental. There's a reason why 80's is often associated with the 'retro future' aesthetic, it's because it was the dawn of the computer age and everyone was excited to ride that wave into the future.

Now we're here and people take the future for granted. Instead of living in a cyber utopia 80's fever dream of neon and chrome we live in the age of TikTok and Fortnite.

It's kind of depressing. For me the 80's represents a time of optimism for the future. What we live in now is a world of perpetual irony and memes. It was a better, happier time, at least for me.

Anyway, that's fair. Go ahead and post more music, that's all I wanted to know.
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>>42146522
Since you like Hotel California, I'm curious what you think of this song:

Karma Hotel

Its not the exact same concept, but its slightly similar with the idea of a hotel that is essentially "haunted" and destroys/degrades people, and kinda traps them.

>Now he notices years have passed in one night

>He's made more cash than we could imagine, but never lived life

>So what you're tellin' me is I can't leave

>And I'm trapped here for eternity

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>>42146538
It's not that bad but the fact that the lyrics keep going off beat irritates me. If they just stopped doing that I think it would be more enjoyable.
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>>42146522
Humanity screwed up. We need to go back.

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>>42146601
>Not going forward.

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I've been on and off listening to Desired, but only recently really got into their 80s lo-fi inspired sound. Bonus is their affinity for Sailor Moon.

Desired - Eyes On Me

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I've been very much into this song lately.
Eve

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KHAOS X4 (official stream)

Chaos, chaos, chaos, chaos, chaos
I'm happy that the world is gonna end

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