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Maroon Auburn!QEUQfdPtTMCountry code: blank.gif, country type: ponyflag, valid: 42111778

What if life is but an illusion? Nothing more than a perception created by the human mind, with reality being nothing more than abstract concepts created and named by us slightly evolved apes which are really just atoms floating in space?

What if we are all caught in a landslide with no escape from reality?
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>>42111778
What if it is Death that is the illusion?

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It is material reality which is non-illusory and self-sufficient; the arrival, persistence and eventual death of our existence, our perception and our comprehension, is merely permitted by it, and we ignore this at our own peril.

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We are probably the result of what synapses firing below the planck length look like inside the brain of a person trying to decide to put mayo or mustard on their turkey sandwich.
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>>42111788

Me, an intellectual: Both

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>>42111789
Lol wut

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Surely some life must exist if the illusion is to be maintained? An illusion is just an altered perception of reality, and unless you want to go by some really obscure definition of “life,” only living things can perceive reality. Therefore if the illusion exists there must be a reality to be perceived, and some kind of life to have an altered perception of it.

>inb4 but what if it’s all a simulation man

Let’s suppose we’re all apart of some great big simulation in which our “life” is nothing more than a extremely complex set of programs. How that be any different from our actual reality? Your “life” is nothing more than a bunch of chemicals in your brain all firing off at very precise times with very precise purposes, how is that any different from a computer program when you break it down to its simplest level? Why should we consider creatures who’s conscious relies on a series of converging chemicals anymore “alive” than a very precise set of interlocking programs?

The real question is who cares if life’s “real” or not, if it’s a simulation or not, fundamentally nothing changes. You’re life doesn’t become any less meaningless because you’re entire “reality” is nothing more than some weird alines video game, because at the end of the day you’re going to die in a reality short amount of time regardless, and when that happens you’ll either cease to exist completely, or exist in a altered state, or at the very least come to exist over a long period of time in a form that’s completely unrecognisable from your current state.

All that’s important in life really is what you make of it while you have it. Even it you believe in heaven or some other afterlife after a few thousands years the you in the afterlife will be so dissimilar to the you of today that you’ll have essentially died, in the sense the you will be as dissimilar to the current you of today as you are to your baby self. Regardless of how you look at it you are going to died, even you are going to survive, life is either a series of chemical reactions, a computer program, and/or the creation of some being who also abides by these rules, it really makes no difference fundamentally no matter how you look at it.

I.E. pic related is the meaning of your life, or “stake fast, eat pussy,” “stake fast, suck cock,” whatever works for you.
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>>42111808
So where do dreams fit into that assessment?

>Skate fast, provide a useful benefit to the world around you, giving more than you take

>also, peepees and V-jayjays

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>>42111810
You could essentially just see dreams as another, albeit less complex and shorter version of your reality. The only real difference is that you can do whatever you want in a dream because eventually you are going to wake up, but you could say the exact same thing about life and dying, only the consequences for doing something you might do in a dream IRL are obviously far more significant, but on an objective level there’s little difference between the consequences you might face in a half an hour dream, and the consequences you might face IRL.

>skate fast, take it up the ass as a prank
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>>42111814
So I assume the same logic extends to drug trips as well?
I might argue about the "less complex" part too, at least my dreams can be pretty complex in nature.
>Eat ass and do your homework

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>>42111815
Yeah, basically. Also as complex as your dreams may be only what you perceive in a dream can be reality within said dream, while in reality life is far more complex than merely what you perceive, although you could easily argue that all that matters is what you perceive, if we’re looking at the individual.

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>>42111817
Who is to say dreams aren't reality, and this is the dream?

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>>42111819
Read "The Doors of Perception" by Aldous Huxley.

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>>42111821
Yeah, I thought I knew his name. I read “Brave New World” like 3-4 years ago, and I enjoyed that. I didn’t know that he had written anything else interesting, but yeah, I’ll check this out.

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>>42111800

You don't mix mayo and mustard? Pleb.

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>>42111844
I dont mix ammonia and bleach ether. What does that make me?

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>>42111848

I dunno, what do you think?

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So what if? There's no alternative really.

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>>42111883
inb4 lost-arse post about how multiverse theory is actually possible in the real world and we transcend to a new universe when we die

>>42111784
Literally Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse-Five

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>>42111808
Oddly based take.

>>42111818
The difference is that dreams are largely arbitrary and without causality, whereas the waking world is consistent in it's logic and persistent in it's consequences, and our memory provides us both knowledge of this contrast, and the means by which we can understand and eventually express our will onto both worlds.

What this means for us, on any "real" and practical level, is that while desire and expression may be enough for our dreams, in physical reality we find that informed technique and calculated strategy must go alongside strong willpower and great desire, rather than one without the other, if we ever want to most effectively fulfill our goals here.

On a more abstract level, the view that physical reality creates our experience has better explanatory and predictive power than the view that our experience creates physical reality, which is a framework which can only resort to unprovable or irrational notions of eternal consciousnesses or existence having begun without reason when we ask how everything came to be, and which has to resort to rather hazy ideas of one consciousness being "stronger" than another when we question why the world resists our willpower and imposes limitations on us.

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>>42111916
I think the amount of coherence depends on your level of lucidity, many of my dreams fallow a throughline, or at least, events dont seem out of place at the time.
But, you could make the argument that the very nature of life outside the dreams containing situations that require more effort as proof that the dream is the reality, as much as you can use the evidence vice versa. If, for instance, we were on the other side of this, as in, having the same conversation in the dream world, questioning the waking world, would we not use the same logic?

We theorize that dreams may be preparations for reacting to danger in the waking world (among many many other theories), so why would not the trials and tribulations of the waking world prepare us for our most common dreams, nightmares?

Not saying thats exactly the case, but its the logic that could be applied if the worlds were reversed.
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>>42111922
That a dream might follow a rough narrative is entirely contingent on the concepts that one had in mind as they dreamed, and subject to completely change if one wills it or merely stops thinking of it. In contrast, the events in the waking world depend only on previous occurrences and the nature of those occurrences. If in attempting to predict future events here and now, you only go by what "ought" to happen, then any venture outside the most basic and mechanical of events in daily life will quickly make you a fool.

To the contrary, I can be sure that if something instantly yields to my willpower then it can be reasonably said to be a part of me, much as my limbs move as I command them and my imagination shifts contents as I will it to. However if something seems to resist my commands or act outside of my willpower, then it can be said to not be a part of me, that it has a will of it's own. When one dreams, lucidity reveals that everything is part of one's own mind, and when one is awake, lucidity reveals that only our bodily movements are fully of our own self. It follows that reality is the world which features multiple wills, whereas dreams are but our own selves turned inwards.

The waking world would be less than useless in the scenario you describe; its persistent consequences grossly outlive the momentary fears of nightmares, and it's events often cause us nightmares in the first place, while nightmares only ever cause us here a dimly reflected discomfort of the nightmare itself.

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>>42111965
I gather dreams to be a highly subjective experience, but through research and my own experience, the level of lucidity you're describing, where you have full control over the events of your dream, is a rear occurrence, and normally is only achieved by dedication and practice.
If you naturally achieve that state, you have my envy as its something i actively work towards, but often can only achieve a level of basic decision making without waking up by accident, otherwise im normally just along for the ride.

Its interesting to note, that a waking dreamlike state can be induced in people, ether as a controlled and desired effect, or, as a complication to a deeper issue.

It makes you wonder though, if perhaps the reason waking life lacks the control of a dream, is simply because we haven't achieved the level of waking lucidity to make it so.

On that note, im going to run an experiment along these lines haha.
G'night.
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>>42111965
So, i drempt (not a word) last night, and i meant to make this post right away when i woke up, but i was running late.
Basically, there was an alarm going off in a building, and i was trying to figure out how to shut it off. A door was left open somewhere, i just found it and closed it and reset the alarm.
A lot happened in between though, i talked to different people, i ended up going to a friends house, but i forget why, before going back to the building. People had opinions of what to do, some people were busy doing other things, and didnt really offer any advice, in the end, i was the one that figured out to go look for the door a shut it. So really, not that far off from an everyday situation.

The one thing that was way off, as is normal in dreams, was spacial situations, as in, the locations were all familiar but alien, and ether the distances between them were rather localized, or, travel was rapid, almost teleportation like.
I was lucid to the point of thinking about the situation, but not enough to really control it, or even come to the realization that i could and the environment of the building and information i was being given by people seemed novel.

Not trying to prove or disprove anything here, just reporting my experience. In fact, there is nothing to prove or disprove in a conversation of this nature, its all speculation, and im for sure not advocating that anyone live their life with the idea that dreams are reality, that would be a really bad idea, simply just taking a position of interest to explore the questions of "what if".
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I just took a nap and i had a dream i was scuba diving in a well that was in my basement for some reason, and i found what i thought was a sea turtle buried in sand, but it turned out to be a giant sting ray.
That's not unusual, but what was unusual was it only had the wings of a stingray, the body was a grey hound, and it ran upstairs and started eating my dogs food before jumping in the river and swimming away.
Then i went to CVS and bought OTC depression meds, which i put back because the clerk told me they were just placebos and wouldn't work now that they told me. I also looked at couch cushions they were selling for some reason, and ended up just buying a mint ice cream cone with a picture of Lyra on it.
When i left, there were a bunch of people sitting in the street, and i saw my sister and asked what was going on, she said it was a fireworks display happening soon so i sat down too.
I tried to tell her about my day but she and my brother in law kept interrupting me to argue about how rude it was it interrupt me, so i left.

Then i woke up and had to pee really bad, but i could have left that part out.
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What if we are all Boltzmann brains? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain

>>42111808
>Surely some life must exist if the illusion is to be maintained?
Life as a thinking thing, yes. Life as a physical thing, not necessarily.

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>>42111778
'Atoms', 'synapses', and 'evolution' are all things which belong to a conceptual mind; and inasmuch as they correspond to measurements (e.g. atomic energy), they belong to pragmatic models which are derived from metaphysical processes, and which ought to be scrutinized by the philosophy of science (e.g. Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions). If we adopt the view of the so-called "naturalist" philosophers that the mind is an epiphenomenon of synaptic activity, then we have no reason to regard synapses as being "out there" or a real factor of our experience in the strict sense.

The idea that Life is an illusion goes back at least to Platonic idealism, which is the basis of the Western tradition of philosophy as we generally understand it (Nietzsche has done the most of any 'modern' philosopher to resurrect the idea of philosophy as a discipline of action in life or askesis); it also is a powerful element of Pauline Christianity, which in its esoteric origins was influenced by Platonism--the idea being, that one could be successful in life, a good and great man, yet still be a "sinner" in the profoundest spiritual sense. This is a more psychologically thoroughgoing rejection of life than what might be called "cultural Kantianism" which pervades our thinking today (that is, the notion that our cultural experience is representational, but our scientific experience is 'real').


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