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Would you upload your brain to a computer? Mk17!!TrixieCountry code: blank.gif, country type: ponyflag, valid: 42100897

You hear about this once in a while as an "escape" from death, or as a way to extend your time.

But, idk, im normally positive about stuff like that, but the idea of it seems scarier to me than death itself.

Existential thread!

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Only if my consiousness could be uploaded too, otherwise it would just be another me while my fleshy body dies, and I personally wouldn't be living past death.
I've given this a great deal of thought already.

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>>42100900
Yeah, this exactly.
If you can do it and have one "you" on the computer and one "you" still outside it, and both "yous" can still experience things simultaneously, then its not "you" on the computer.

Not to mention, even if it was "you" there, you're kind of trapped. Like, your there at the mercy of whoever maintains the system. With my luck it would be some minimum wage IT worker with a chip on their shoulder about society on a power trip haha.
I think id rather take my chances in biblical hell.

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>>42100903
Amazing how I explained that so easily huh?
Like I said. I've given it a lot of thought, and it's always turned to consciousness. Without that, it's just a copy, not real, a fake, not you.

There would also be that, which is why I think it would be better to be a cyborg. Brain in a can for a very basic term.
This way, you can maintain yourself, as you'll have time to learn things while others who have turned you more machine than man continue to maintian you so long as you probably provide them with a service your new immortal, and untiring body can provide.

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I’d rather just die. Living to ~80 and then fading away into nothingness seems more than fair to me. Living forever, now that sounds terrifying.

>>42100900
What if someone copy and pasted you? What if they made a program that copy and pasted you endlessly?

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>>42100906
Once more it depends if consciousness is involved. If not, it's just a bunch of copies that will think they are the real you when in reality, they can be destroyed most likely with the simple press of the delete button.
But they would all just be living in that one computer, unless they networked it all, and even then, it'd still probably not be a good idea to do that with anyone.

> Living forever, now that sounds terrifying.

I'd rather live in my prime till I am ready to die. Be that how ever many thousands of years that would be. But that's not the reality we live in.

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>>42100904
We dont even really know what consciousness is ether, so who knows what would happen to it in a situation like that.
Like a hard drive can contain thoughts and memories and things you've learned, but its not sentient.

Cyborg definitely sounds like the better option, you would still be useful too, if not more useful.
Ghost in a shell stuff.

But then you get into a ship of Theseus situation. But i guess thats already the case.

I would sign up for some crack pot space exploration scheme in a heartbeat if i were a cyborg.

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>>42100909
How do you know that you’re the original if they all think they’re the original?

>destroyed most likely with the simple press of the delete button.

Implying that “you” can’t also be deleted?

MLP: Friendship is Magic Season 3 - 'Who is the Real Pinkie Pie?' Official Clip
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>>42100911
Best option right now really is to be a cyborg. your brain houses eveything that's you, and with that, all the awesome things you'd be able to do as well.
I've enjoy being once I think. Sure I wouldn't be able to feel things, touch feel that is, but I think I could live with that to have strength I'd never otherwise have, and unlimited stamina so long as my parts hold up.

>>42100912
Because I wouldn't upload myself to a computer. I'd put my brain in a cyborg body.

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No.

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>>42100913
There is the possibility that tech will give a way to still feel sensations like touch. I would think it would be important.
It depends on what kind of cyborg too. If its just a mechanical vehicle with a brain inside or if you just replace biological parts with new ones as they wear out.

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>>42100917
Brain in a robot kind of thing. Sure, no touch sensations, but that means you can do more things without pain holding you back anymore.
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>>42100918
Alright, i have the right thread this time...

I would for sure drop the extra cash for the XLT model with sensation mods haha.
Pain sucks yeah, but it lets you know when there is a problem, and there is also all the stuff that isnt pain haha. Also, the line between whats pain and whats not can be pretty blurry.
I would also miss taste quite a bit.

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>>42100921
Not having sensations like that is a good trade for living for an extremley long time I have to admit.
I'd force myself to get used to it.

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>>42100922
Ehhhhhhhhhhhidk...
It would be a tough decision.

It would be weird to not have sensation, like to not be able to feel stuff like my dog cuddling up with me and warmth of the sun on my face.
It would be life, but idk if it would be living.

Plus, im barely using the one i have, idk what i would do with extra haha.

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Maybe someday, I'll be a genderless robot that is built to explore space or something. I don't really know. I kinda just want to be a machine in the far future tbh.

Now there are questions about this, like:
>would my soul be intact?
>is this my intended path?
>am i doing the right thing?
...and many others I keep wondering about.

I guess I'll just go with the flow while I wait and see what happens.

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>>42100900
>>42100903
Playing the game SOMA really made me think about what really counts as being YOU.

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>>42100986
I always kind of thought of the soul and consciousness as pretty much the same thing.

>>42101013
I haven't played it, whats it about?

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>>42101015
It's about a guy who wakes up in an underwater base deep in the depths of the ocean.
He died from cancer in 2012, but the year was 20xx future. He doesn't remember getting there. Hes in a robot that contained his brain scan. He gets guided by an AI woman on a mission to launch a probe into space containing brain scans of the last humans on earth.
The guy is promised that his brain scan in the probe will live in a matrix world where everything is perfect and the last humans can continue to live in a ai world despite the destroyed earth.
When you upload yourself and the AI woman to the probe and launch the matrix into space, your left behind standing at the launch controls.
Technically the guy wakes up in the matrix world and continues to live on, but YOU are stuck at the bottom of the ocean in a robot. But also, you died in 2012 anyway.
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>>42101022
Wow, sounds intense.
Thats pretty much what i meant by if >>42100903
>If you can do it and have one "you" on the computer and one "you" still outside it, and both "yous" can still experience things simultaneously, then its not "you" on the computer.

I dont really like the idea of that tbh. Maybe thats selfish, idk, but i dont want a "me" around that i have no control over.
Another media thing that i always wonder about is the teleporters ins startrek. They send a copy of you to the destination, so it might be that everytime a character uses one, they are killed, and a copy is what lives on.

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I'd upload myself as long as it doesn't kill the original me.
I'm fine creating more mes. They wouldn't be the original so it's not at all like I'd actually be able to be immortal, but having some of me left over when I'm dead would feel nice.
I know they could technically be tortured for eternity, a la Black Mirror's White Christmas , but... idk, that's the worst case scenario and even then I don't have to deal with it.

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Sure.

But copying my brain just means there's another me out there.

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I recall a story along these lines from Analog/Asimov, which has stayed with me for decades. People's health in the story is maintained in large part by nanobots. The story is of an elderly couple whose health is waning, and they are reminiscing about the past and deciding their ultimate fates. The wife, whose health is in the "yellow" and dipping into "red", has made up her mind that she will not have her consciousness preserved, because she doesn't think it will be 'her' in the same sense and she considers life to be special. She dies a peaceful death and is mourned by her husband.

As the husband's health wanes, he decides to have his consciousness downloaded. This is something that only the terminally ill are allowed to do, because duplication of consciousness is forbidden for ethical reasons, and is performed only to facilitate a very specific purpose. He's hooked up to the various probes in the medical facility and asked prompted questions to stimulate memories and parts of his brain, and these patterns are recorded and become his digital consciousness. He's asked to "think of something blue" and visualizes a blue rabbit plush from his childhood. Once the recording is complete, he is euthanized.

This story takes place in an era of interstellar exploration. However, faster than light travel does not exist, so instead of sending people to their deaths unnecessarily, autonomous essentially-immortal androids are shot into space on centuries-long trajectories to perform preliminary assessments and signal the results back to Earth. The androids contain the consciousnesses of dozens of individuals who have had consciousness uploaded, as one collective consciousness. The last part of the story is of one of these androids, floating through space on its centuries-long course, that has a random thought pop into its mind, the image of a blue plush rabbit. It acknowledges but does not understand the significance of this thought.

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>>42101034
They would be kind of like your children then, in that sense i would worry about them and their fate haha.

>>42101036
Obviously there will need to be some regulation. Idk if the world is ready for the tracer army.

>>42101038
Thats really crazy, and kind of creepy in a way. Do you remember where you read it?

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That would mean an end to my hydrocephalus and epilepsy, so probably.

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>>42101043 It was in one of the periodical science fiction journals, Analog or Azimov. I don't recall which one. It was in an issue back around 20+ years ago.

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>>42100897
>load lost ponys brain into computer

I do that all the time. Its called a reset button.

Id make a joke about it but my mind is blank.

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>>42101027
That's exactly what I thought. Pretty scary to think about. The game tackled the question of what it really means to be you. Even though a brain scan of yourself is an exact copy, it's not you. But what if that was the only way to continue living?

Pretty powerful stuff.
SOMA Ending / Final Cutscene
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>>42101051
Honestly, thats a pretty legit reason to want to try. But i would still worry about just still being a separate thing.

>>42101059
Ah gotcha. Im glad you remembered it to relay it. Though it has me wondering of what the point of endowing a droid with such a memory is in that context.

>>42101068
Idk what to say.

>>42101088
Idk, because would you really continue living? It would be a separate being that just happens to have your memories, and maybe personality for a bit.
Im not sure who that would benefit in the long run, but i dont think it would be me.
I subscribe to the theory that there is a piece of you that cant be "transferred" in this manner, and especially if the hypothetical allows for simultaneous existence.

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>>42100897
What if the computer got a virus or got hacked?

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>>42101013
>>42101022
SOMA was my first thought as well but just thinking it through would have made him realize that he - the person uploading the scans - would never go anywhere and would be stuck at the bottom of the ocean. Not that it made the game any worse, it was a great experience.

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>>42101092
That's a good way to look at it. I guess it would be just an imitation of the real you. There wouldn't be a point to living on I suppose. Unless you think your concious and memories would benefit something being stored on a computer.

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>>42101108
Yeah you discovered all the clues and science about what would happen when you brain scan. But it still hit you like a ton of bricks.

There were people in the base that killed themselves when they found out they remained behind and that there were technically two of themselves. One on the Ark and one in the base.

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>>42101092 I think it's because a real consciousness would be able to respond to situations differently than an android.

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If my insurance covers it

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I'd ship-of-Theseus the original copy to keep it alive longer, but there's nothing special about me that I'd want to preserve in a copy that doesn't have my own instance-of-self.
What's eerie is that even though we know most of your cells grow and die out several times through the years and frequently phase through different materials themselves, the neurons specifically, which virtually never regrow unless specially stimulated, stay the same throughout your life...

...so it just might be that even Theseus'ing the brain doesn't preserve the old unit of self, and contrary to intuition, really might replace you with another one...

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>>42101111
checked

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Will I get free wifi? Deal breaker.

What would be the point in immortality in a computer if you can't get on the internet, watch youtube and anime tiddies for eternity?

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>>42101110
Maybe if you were in the middle of important research i suppose.

>>42101112
That much i get, but it seems like they are just endowed with the capability, and not the actual thoughts of the donor exactly. Unless the situation is such that its been just so long that the memory deteriorated, but if thats the case, thats still a bit sad and doesn't seem advantageous.

>>42101113
Lul

>>42101114
There was a vsause thing about this idea iirc. Like, since pretty much your whole body dies and regenerates over time, are you still the same you as you were?

>>42101121
These are important questions, unfortunately i dont have the answer.

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>>42101092
>just still being a separate thing.
What do you mean? Like the fact that there would be 2 Zekes?

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>>42101129
Well, no... That would be awesome haha.
I mean, would it really solve your problem if the consciousness you uploaded moved on separate from yourself.
You would still be you, and have to deal with your situation, but there would be a version of you that wouldn't have to.
That seems to be the general consensus anyway, i guess we dont know for sure.

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>>42101124
Yup, but it turns out neurons are basically the exception. Brain tumors are made exclusively out of glial cells because the neurons themselves barely ever regenerate or replace over a lifetime, so your brain may be made mostly of the same stuff.
So if the matter in your brain is basically the same all along, the "you're-not-really-the-matter-but-the-continuity-of-biotic-processes-between-the-matter" may not be true for the brain like we assumed it was.

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>>42101135
That seems to give more credence to the theory that the biological you and the digital you would be separate entities. But it also gives hope to people undergoing cryogenics, because if the neurons are preserved, maybe simply finding a way to turn the power back on will reawaken whatever "you" there is to be reawakened.

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>>42101139
I've actually read that comic before. Its an interesting take, except for one flaw i see, and that is dreams. I dream almost every night, so can it be said that my consciousness is truly broken?
Also, this picture pretty much sums up nicely the last year of my life haha.
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>>42101130
>but there would be a version of you that wouldn't have to.
That's what I mean. If my consciousness is being copied as opposed to moved, that would be of no benefit to this consciousness.

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On some level, I've always wanted this, not gonna lie. In cyberspace I could be whatever and whoever I want to be, unbound by the chains and limitations of corporeality.

On the other hand, I'd have a host of new bullshit to deal with. The internet isn't all sunshine and roses, and the horrors it contains would undoubtedly be magnified were it a replacement for physical existence rather than a supplement.

If this consciousness would be a copy of the original, rather than a direct and seamless continuation, I might be tempted to do so at the end of my life, so a digital version of myself can achieve the dreams and visions the original fell short of. But that brings its own set of concerns as well: what if that version of me ends up becoming corrupt?

With my memories and personality intact, that likelihood isn't higher or lower than that of my currently existing self becoming corrupt during her natural lifetime. But I have control and agency over this self and can take full moral responsibility for my actions. I wouldn't have that direct agency over a copy of myself; even if she's "me", she's a fresh instance of "me". And since I'm the one who brought her into existence, in what was ultimately a thoroughly selfish and vain act of hubris and defiance against nature, I'd ultimately be responsible for her actions as well as mine, despite lacking agency and control over what she does. I'm not sure I'm comfortable accepting that responsibility.

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>>42101174
Can you change your name to Hubble, because thats an ultra deep look.


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