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random gaming rant Chewy!!Twilight SparkleCountry code: ponies-twilight.png, country type: ponyflag, valid:   42079313[View All]

I've been thinking about this a bit lately. The people I'd call "gamer boomers" (gamers in the 25-35yo age range who yearn for the GLORY DAYS of DOOM and QUAKE). It drives me nuts when they go on about how "BACK IN MY DAY WE DIDN'T NEED UPDATES/DOWNLOADS, YA JUST POPPED THE DISC/CARTRIDGE IN AND PLAYED!" which is true but I think it is important to illustrate the difference between a game with cut content versus a game that is receiving quality post-launch support.

I like the idea of online video games as an ever-evolving, ever-improving experience. Why bother making a rehashed sequel if you can take what is already good and just make it better? Now of course I don't condone things like RNG/loot crates, but there are happy mediums to be had. In particular, CoD: Black Ops 4 has entirely done away with loot crates and replaced it with "tiers" which are essentially a stream of various kinds of content (emblems, camos, character skins, some new weapons etc.) that are progressed primarily through gameplay--with no RNG, you can literally see everything that you will be getting ahead of time. It takes about an hour to go up one tier, but you also skip one automatically for your first match win of each day. So you could get to tier 50 in 25 days (just over three weeks) by playing for only an hour a day as long as you won at least one of your matches. I think this is entirely fair--grindy, but far, far better than RNG loot crates.
Anyways, the point I was trying to get to, was that I think these "streams of content" as they are sometimes called are actually very beneficial for prolonging the lifespan and enjoyment and variety of a game as long as it is done properly. Properly, as in free or at least cheap, and no RNG.
Another thing with these gamer boomers is that they'll rail on games for needing too many mandatory updates, but then when they go and start a new character on Morrowind, they'll be like "ok first I gotta install 20 graphics enhancing packs, 15 texture packs, 30 weapon/armor/enemy packs, 40 bug/glitch fix packs, 25 AI improvement packs" etc. and it's like, do you not see the irony there?
No game is perfect at launch. It's just not possible. Not even my favorite games are perfect to me. So getting mad over a day one update, or a week one update, or multiple updates a month etc. is just dumb because the majority of the time they are for the purpose of making an experience that you paid for BETTER.
Gamer boomers need to accept that times are different now and you can't expect it to be like the classic/old-school days. Yes there are some shittier business practices now, but lumping every new model together as "trash trash trash" is really juvenile. Some of the best games of all time were made this decade.
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>>42079878
My core problems with wavedashing is this: The effect being uses is meant to be used while coming down from in the air. Wave dashing is getting that effect while you are on the ground. You are skipping a primary step in the function of how that part of the game is supposed to work and that doesn't sit right with me. It's on the same level as animation canceling in order to reload a weapon faster than intended.

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>>42079891
i know how you feel

>>42079895
it's all staged

no worries

but still funny

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>>42079898
I don't understand what is interesting about them.

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>>42079904
The game was programmed that way, it can be learned, it doesn't create a necessarily one-sided match, the communities have accepted it.
You're free to play sessions that don't utilize them.

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>>42079904
>It's on the same level as animation canceling in order to reload a weapon faster than intended.
This is actually an intended mechanic in CoD, as evidenced by the fact that Black Ops 4 now has an option for how reload canceling interacts with the sprint button.

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>>42079907
It's still skipping a step that is supposed to be taken.

It bothers me.

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>>42079906
It's literally an almost gymnastic artform that bends the game in unpredictable yet strangely artistic ways?

>>42079909
What the developers thought would happen in gameplay, does not equal fun, fair or good.

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>>42079900
Punk is dead.

>the only glitch run I have ever really enjoyed is Mario 64

But see, even you recognize the value of glitch runs. Watching Mario 64 get destroyed with BLJs is an amazing experience.

There are definitely more games than just S3&K that I care about glitchless in, actually. Sonic R is another one, OoB runs of that game bore me. But I play Sonic R even more ethically than the no-OoB players do, because they play with winter weather enabled, letting them run on water, which to me makes runs less skillful.

But I'm not gonna complain about the community playing unethically. I'll do my ethical runs, and post it if I get a good one, and maybe a new category will be born. That's how speedrunning works. If there is merit to a certain ruleset and you demonstrate that merit, there will be a crowd for it.

>>42079901
Sorry, this convo's been distracting me (while eating "breakfast") and I also don't get push notifs on my phone. x_x

I can be ready in like, 5-10 minutes.

>>42079904
Well, you do have to be in the air for wavedashing to work. Just, you wanna be in the air very briefly.

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>>42079910
and with this video i just got sent to the 90's

hello my childhood

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>>42079916
>synths were still used in the 90's
i swear the 90's were just the 80's 2.0

i remember this shit

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>>42079912
>Well, you do have to be in the air for wavedashing to work. Just, you wanna be in the air very briefly.
This.

>I can be ready in like, 5-10 minutes.

Sorry Champ, I've gotta be out of the house at 8 tomorrow, so im going to bed.

I expect some solid conclusions from this thread by the time i get up.

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>>42079918
>I expect some solid conclusions from this thread by the time i get up.

...You'll either be really satisfied or really disappointed.
Also, Goodnight.
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>>42079917
and the 00's were the 80's 3.0

Bad Boy

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>>42079920
Wait, so what does this make the 70's?

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>>42079919
I'm always really satisfied.

G'night.

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>>42079918
lol, rip
Good night!

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>>42079921
Beta 80's

Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough
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>>42079920
i disagree honestly

the 00's was a major chamge

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Oh, 1 more thing.

>>42079909
Just because I disagree with you about this, I still consider you a great friend and I'm glad to have you in my life.

Your the bees knees!

___________________
NOWWWW im going to bed.

[✔]And this time, i mean it!

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>>42079931
Lets put a pin in it for now, but this is worth discussion.

ChewyCountry code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 42079948

I don't think the 90s and the 80s were similar at all honestly. My mom once told me that the 90s was the first decade where "it was cool to be a loser". And the music was drastically different. I mean think about any 80s pop rock compared to stuff like Nirvana, or likewise 80s hip-hop compared to 90s hip-hop. Night and day difference.

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>>42079948
The way I describe it is this: The 80's was one giant house party. The 90's is the point in which people started getting a little too drunk.

The 2000's was the hangover the next morning, and 2010+ has been us trying to clean up the mess that was left over before the parents come home.

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>>42079950
There are only two eras:

S1 G4 to present
And the "Before Time"

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>>42079950
Is 2016 the botched attempt at a decent breakfast then?

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>>42079948
Idk, there was such a mix its hard to say.

Like, you could compare Billie Idol for the 80's and Weezer from the 90's and it paints a completely different picture.

Or you could compare N.W.A to Will Smith.

There was a mix of depressing and uplifting music, there always is.

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>>42079948
the reason why i say the two decades are similar is because they are

like almost everything in the 90's is just a carry over from the 80's

hell, in the early 90's the fashion was almost the same as the 80's

only biggest difference when it came to music was the fact they were moving away from analog synths

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>>42080066
It was a progression. Music is normally built off the sounds of the past, tweaked to make something new.

All art really.

But the 80s for sure had a unique sound.

Space Age Love Song

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>>42080068
things just began getting more digital as time progressed

hell, i remember when renting DVD's was the norm

now it's pretty much just digital

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>>42080069
LOL, I remember when renting VHS was the norm...

Also, that unique 80s sound... started in the 70s
Gary Numan - Cars

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>>42080070
as do i

and i remember using like 20 floppy disks to install windows and other programs

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>>42080071
Haha yup!

I remember finding out my computer had 4MB of ram, and that was enough to play Doom. But I had to un-install it when i was done because the HDD was only 10MB, my dad spared no expense on that IBM 386 haha.

But back to music, i think its weird that people always go right to grunge when they think of the 90s. I was having the convo at work today, i felt the 90s had a clean feel to it... like everything was blue and white and clean.
That being said, i also think of the 90s being dull and dim and dirty like an old auto shop.

I guess it depends on if you were listening to TLC or Pearl Jam at the moment haha.

Whether you were playing Quake or 1080 snowboarding haha.

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>>42080072
when i picture the 90's i just picture this really wonky time when everything was just off

the music was good however

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>>42080073
The 90s was also when the rave scene was huge too.
Dune - Can't Stop Raving (Official Audio)

Back when we called it "techno" as an all encompassing term for electronic music haha.

And even that can be traced back to the 80s and 70s

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>>42080074
ah, i can remember the whole techno era

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>>42079313
>$200 to reach Level 200 Tier
what the actual fuck???

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>tfw I remember VHS and walkmans

>>42080087
paying is optional and tbf if you do that you're paying to skip like 100 hours of gameplay

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>>42080076
They were simpler times. I remeber my local FOX affiliate using "sandstorm" for a local news promo haha.

Ahhh... Good ol WNAC uhf channel 64...

Now im nostalgic for when they had to broadcast their FCC call sign haha. I should hook up my rabbit ears.

>>42080087
A buck a tier... Not bad! Haha.

>>42080089
My walkman was waterproof! Haha

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Broke: western 80's pop
Woke: city pop

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>>42080089
>>42080094
It's not fair if snobby rich kids like tmartn can get them instantly and leave us poorfags in the dust

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What's even worse
A buck for a fucking red dot
The "it's just cosmetic excuse" gets immediately flushed down the drain

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Moreover it's not just 100 hours of gameplay
If you want multiple weapons at 200, you're talking 1000s, more than humanly possible before the season ends
I feel Fortnite does the battle pass rewards system much better

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>>42080187
Well, hate to say it, but, that's capitalism!
>>42080188
the dot thing I have to admit is retarded but again you don't have to buy it, I'd argue you'd have to be a fucking moron to even care about that when you can get way better reticles for free
>>42080189
>If you want multiple weapons at 200, you're talking 1000s, more than humanly possible before the season ends
nigga what
there are currently 3 weapons earned through tiers: Daemon SMG at 50, SWAT AR at 100, and then the KAP-40 pistol which takes 25 tiers that can be progressed at the same time as the other set (so if you were already at 100, it would make it 125, but if you were at 75, it would still only be 100).
There's no weapon that requires even close to tier 200, and even if there was, 200 tiers = 100 hours of gameplay max. Idk where you're getting "1000s" from.

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>>42079969
Basically what happened was that 2001 (9/11 specifically), was like getting into a horrendous car crash while driving drunk on the way home from the party. Ever since then we've been incredibly paranoid about everything, because we are afraid of getting into a similar situation. All the wild and crazy shit we did before that we are now trying to push away so we can take everything seriously and any little thing that might feel like we're going back down that route is bad and we are avoiding it.

This is basically what PC culture is, us being more and more paranoid about doing anything that may be reckless.

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>>42080241
I'll say here that doing the opposite and deriving self-esteem or validation from the disapproval and offense of others, is also about as restrictive and generally stupid. Would rather that we can be open and frank, but not dependent on denial nor catharsis.

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>>42080243
I think it's less about being offensive and more about just being willing to enjoy things that are sometimes not in good taste. I'm not saying everything has to be that kind of humor, but humor is drawn from the absurd and sometimes the absurd involves things that aren't the cleanest or upstanding.

I feel there is a distinct difference between satire and offense, the problem mainly stems from people who cannot tell the difference.

Let's look at something like Rocky Horror Picture Show. The depiction of Dr. Frankenfurter, the main antagonist, is a HORRIBLE depiction of transgender/LGBT people in general. But the movie is over the top and absurd all over the place. That's the point of the movie. It's pure camp. Should I be offended by Tim Curry's character in that movie? No, of course not. It's ridiculous because it's supposed to be funny and I get what is funny about it.

It's when people start taking these jokes as fact that cause major issues, it's when people take things overly seriously when the problems arrise. Would I call Tim Curry homophobic or transphobic for playing such a character? No of course not. The thought probably never crossed his mind when filming the movie. I'll bet money his only thought was "how entertaining can I make this character for the audience?" It's when people take stuff like this and twist it into something it was never intended to be, that is when our ability to laugh at ourselves and enjoy the absurdity of life starts to fade, and all that is left is a bunch of people who are always miserable and always offended.

Now if someone is straight up insulting you, that is not satire, nor is that okay. People just need to learn the difference, because they seem to have forgotten it lately.

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>>42080247
The issue of PC culture is, when meant in a concerned manner, the pendulum having swung too far in the direction of newfound respect for this or that minority group and into plain policing, which I will agree is an issue worth addressing.
However, I must emphasize that the issue can also be twisted into either a revival for open scorn and intolerance, or simply a justification for material meant to goad and bait the public into negative responses and reactions, for whatever purposes.
Essentially think of it like satire vs libel, and two people doing either are both pointing to Free Speech as to why they should go on undisturbed. An approach that addresses both is what would seem most balanced, as far as I can judge.

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>>42080250
The primary issue with PC culture is a tale that has been told for millennia. The boy who cried wolf. Too many false alarms and people are going to stop taking you seriously.

That is primarily the danger that PC culture causes. If you cry "rape" every time someone looks at you in a way you didn't feel comfortable with, eventually people crying rape are going to be ignored completely, even if it actually IS valid.

What this boils down to is not understanding intent, and intent means everything. If someone says something that could be considered offensive, but when they said it they weren't really thinking about it in that way, and people start to dogpile on that person for what they said instead of what they meant, eventually those people are going to have their complaints dismissed even when they actually are valid.

It's not about 'suck it up and stop being offended' more than it is, 'Consider if that thing was actually meant to offend you, or are you seeing something that isn't actually there.'

The major issue right now is that when people say they fear PC culture, the proponents of PC culture are like, "You just want to say the N word." but that isn't actually the case. What is actually happening is people are scared they may say or do something they have no idea is offensive to someone, without meaning to be offensive to anyone, and have someone get offended by it.

An example of this is say you were writing a story about some guy that was super rich and he had a butler that worked for him and his family for years. Like say, Bruce Wayne and Alfred. Everyone likes this duo, they understand the dynamic.

Now let's say someone remakes Batman but casts Alfred as a black man. Same exact character, same association to Bruce Wayne, same exact depiction of characters.

This would never happen. Do you know why? Even if the intent was to diversify a story, there are thousands of people that would IMMEDIATELY throw a fit because a 'black man serves a white family'. It would be a shit show.

What is this? This is basically racism, but it's from the side that says they are against racism. If the characters change nothing but the colors of their skin, why is one offensive and the other is not? There is no implication here, the only implication comes from people misinterpreting what they are seeing as something it's not supposed to be and then getting outraged over it.

This is where we have problems, because instead of real issues being addressed, these pointless issues get all the attention when they weren't even meant in the way people are making them out to be in the first place.
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>>42080270
>Now let's say someone remakes Batman but casts Alfred as a black man. Same exact character, same association to Bruce Wayne, same exact depiction of characters.
This is why Smithers was originally black and then changed to not-black.


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