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/k/ General

The go to place for the discussion of weapons.

#Cyclic

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>>42091025
Hey, did you forget your magazine there bud lul

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>>42091026
I think that picture was one of the ones where I was getting used to holding it/looking down the sight lol. It felt really awkward at first and Mk17 had to show me multiple times how to do it right. I did actually shoot it a few times though, and even hit the target :p
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>>42091026
It's a 10 rounder.
Not because of any law, but because it's easier on the bench haha.

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>>42091032
oh wait so was that one of me actually firing?

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>>42091033
I think so, yeah.

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>>42091033
Here is one I forgot btw.

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>>42091035
Ah, cool.
>>42091036
Actually you did give me that one already lol

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>>42091038
Really? It wasn't in the folder I use to edit pics.
It might have been a similar angle one haha.

Idk, I took a lot haha.

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>>42091032

I too have a single 10 round mag specifically for bench shooting.

>>42091025


Nice. You are surprisingly average looking.

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>>42091025
>>42091036
look at him go!

i am really happy to see this

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>>42091025

Good shit.

>>42091015


Is that your Bushmaster AR?

This is my latest build (though it now has a DD A1.5 rear sight on it instead of the magpul pros).

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Oh, I also did this.

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>>42091057
I almost exclusively have 20 rounders which also work, but the 10 just happen to be in the backpack at the time.
>>42091083
Yeah, its the bushmaster.
Light weight, i like it.
How did you get those 45 rails on the handguard?
>>42091084
Hey lil fella.
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>>42091085

The barrel is actually pretty heavy duty.

The top rail is actually a tri-rail, the bottom one is just a strip. Both are connected with t-nuts like you use for M-Lok rails. It's nice and tight.

The Canadians do something similar on their C8s and I was inspired by it.
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>>42091086
Oh, i see now.
Yeah thats a stiff barrel, should prob get some nice cool accuracy out of it. I like pencils because i end up carrying them alot haha.

Tri rail makes sense. I cant really add much to mine because the gas tube gets in the way, its the low profile handguard, but i dont want to switch it out because its comfy.
I might get one of those rails that attach to the gas block.

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>>42091087

Yeah once I got it sighted in this thing was balls accurate. It's really not heavy as is considering the profile either. I'm even thinking of throwing a DD Omega on it.

Mine's also the low profile handguard and it still fits no problem. This tri-rail is designed with that in mind. If I could have found one of the proper canuck gas block rails I would have used it but they're nowhere to be found.
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>>42091088
Cool, I mean, its just unmilled, its not that much heavier, just after walking for a few hours with it can be a pain haha.

Who makes the tri rail?

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>>42091096

CAA.

>after walking for a few hours with it can be a pain


If some Canadians can do it, I can do it.

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>>42091104
That's true, a Norinco m1a is a ton heavier than the heaviest of heavy barreled ARs.
I know you meant the military, but I'm not in one of those, I just war against coyotes and squirrels haha.

I'll check out that rail, I need a flashlight saddle.

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No opinions on my town being a 2nd amendment sanctuary?
I'm a little surprised tbh haha.

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>>42091183
It's crazy because I've learned from you now that my whole state is a second amendment nightmare.

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>>42091183
honestly didnt know thats a thing in your state

only thing i heard is sheriffs is refusing to enforce unconstitutional laws

they're awesome and i support them!

>>42091184
it is, glad you realize that my dude
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>>42091184
Oy, got yer freedom loicence?
Haha. Honestly, i like mass, but their laws in that area are pretty freaking spooky. Too many ways to accidentally end up in a cage.

>>42091185
>only thing i heard is sheriffs is refusing to enforce unconstitutional laws
I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about there.
But yeah, a bunch of cities and towns are doing it, we are up to about 5 or 6 now with more having it on the docket for their upcoming city/town meetings.
Some pretty major urban centers too.

But, my town is now offically one, which means, i can at least rest easy that no matter what my crazy-ass governor tries to do, at least my yard is safe haha.
At least from the town police.

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>>42091186
>I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about there.
one of those states in the northwest or something

i cant keep track

>But yeah, a bunch of cities and towns are doing it, we are up to about 5 or 6 now with more having it on the docket for their upcoming city/town meetings.

Some pretty major urban centers too.
good

>But, my town is now offically one, which means, i can at least rest easy that no matter what my crazy-ass governor tries to do, at least my yard is safe haha.

At least from the town police.
good

but i am still pissed at what i heard of what happend to a KA man

federal supremacy took over at that point

not cool

complete violation of amendment 10

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2019/06/11/scotus-rejects-kansas-suppressor-case/

i wish the NFA would go away

putting innocent people away for bullshit law

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>>42091187
Yeah, states should decided those kinds of laws for themselves.

Kansas is "KS" btw.

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>>42091188
ah, my bad

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>>42091183

Here in PA everybody owns guns and nobody cares. There might be someone who thinks they don't have any, but that's just because they haven't actually checked.

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>>42091183

It's a good thing. I don't think that's something I need to say.

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Time for some big guns.

The 2018 Tankfest in 4K. A very impressive range of military vehicles in running condition!
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A King Tiger at the Miltrack 2018 gathering.
King tiger at Militracks 2018 - " 24 minutes of action you don't want to miss "

A Soviet IS-3 Heavy Tank in running condition, saved from a museum.
IS-3 Soviet Heavy Tank (4K)

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So, its kinda stupid... but the other day at the range we started making Eugene Stoner jokes... like, if he was really a stoner haha.

Like..
Hey maaan... dude, the hand-guard should like, be a triangle because like, thats how hands are.

Duuude... lets tell everyone these things are self cleaning haha... Their faces will be sooo funny!

You know what this needs man? Like, a handle on top... so like, if you want to carry it like a briefcase

Aww man, we should make it so if you put it down on the left side, the bolt closes, everyone will be like WHOAAA! hahaha

We thought it was pretty funny... feel free to add your own.
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Got a Bulgarian Makarov, just put 100 rounds through, now it's cleaning time.

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>>42091386

Tonk is best.

>>42091598

Good... Don't forget a Wolff 19 or 21 pound recoil spring.

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>>42091610

I was thinking the 19.

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>>42091623

I've found the 21# works fine in both the x18's that I have. The .380 I had before took a 19# though. I like the 109gr. Wolf ammo and that's pretty snappy even with the 21# but even 92gr stuff has worked fine.

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Some interesting research into very early artillery:
Time Team Special 41 (2011) - Wars of the Roses (Bosworth, Leicestershire)

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>>42091666
That helicopter is carrying one huge cat.

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guns r 4 fags
get a real hobby
lmao
v-i-r-g-i-n-s

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>>42091761
Why are you so obsessed with Fags Son?

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>>42091761
My hobby is chatting shit about people on the internet

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>>42091761
If guns are for fags then I bet you have a gazillion guns

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>>42091761

Am not virgin I has spawned teh offspring.

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So I've had the CS Napoleon saber for almost a week now and it has been a righteous pain in the forearms let me tell you. It is quite a heavy thing, though still a few ounces lighter than their 1860 heavy cavalry saber. My biggest gripe is with the hilt, it is just a bit too short and a bit too fat. Not enough to be unusable, just enough to be annoying. In order to get a proper saber grip with my thumb on the backstrap I have to hold it it so that the pommel is pocketed in the butt of my palm, my pinkie finger is against the bottom of the knuckle guard and the tip of my thumb is against the quillion. In other words there's too many friction points. Now that's not that big a deal because it's really not recommended to use a saber grip with a heavy saber as said grip just isn't strong enough to reliably maintain control when parrying another heavy saber. The hilt is comfortable enough in the 3/4 thumb-over grip but even my rather long index fingers don't encircle the widest portion of the hilt quite as much as I would like. It would work quite in the fist grip except that the little brass nodules(I don't know what these are called but they're roughly equivalent to the menuki on a katana), while they do aid in gripping the thing they can also begin to rub after a while.

All that said, a cavalry saber is never going to be as light and wieldy as a dueling saber. Because cavalry sabers have to be stout enough to survive hitting things from the back of a galloping horse, which may include hitting another saber being swung from another galloping horse going the other way. That sort of heavy-duty construction adds considerable weight. The hilt could be better but being a reproduction of a historic design I can't complain too much about it and it's not so bad that I can't adapt to it. It's heft does inspire confidence though and it does come with the foible sharpened which is nice.

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>>42091955
Do more forearm and wrist exercise?

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whats the average price for a glock 19?

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>>42092058

$450-600

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>>42092058
>>42092062
MSRP on the G5 dropped to 539 so we've been selling used G4s for 425 and G3s for 375.

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>>42092062
>>42092063
ah, just curious!

here's a glock 22 trade in for roughly that same price range

https://www.classicfirearms.com/glock-22-le-used-w-1-mag-night-sights-gen-3/

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>>42092064
.40sw is 'spencive.

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>>42092068
So is 9mm +p, or any quality home defense round. You can get some FMJ .40 S&W for less than 9mm if you watch for sales.

It's when you jump to 10mm or magnums that you see insane prices. I gladly pay $1 a round for Critical Duty or $17 plus tax for 20 rounds of SIG Elite V-Crown for my .40. Have yet to see the loose bullet problem with any box of SIG ammo. Not saying it doesn't happen anymore. Just that I'm not seeing it.

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>>42092063
>>42092064

Yeah I wasn't far off.

Don't go .40, it's gay.

Do you really want a Glock?

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>>42092146
im just asking questions

hopefully some day ill be able to afford one

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>>42092053

Well yes but It's not so much a matter of strength as just acclimating yourself to the heft of the given sword. You do of course get stronger doing that, but it's more a matter of conditioning than raw strength. One of my favorite pieces of workout equipment is a piece of 1.25" stainless steel rod stock which is somewhere around 40" long and somewhere between 7 and 8 pounds. About the same weight as an M16a4. I use it for exercise by doing rifle calisthenics or by swinging it like a longsword. Is a bit much to try and swing one-handed though.

>>42092149

Unless you already have the tools and such an 80% build is going to be more expensive. A Glock lower isn't as bad as an AR but still.

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>>42092153

Who doesn't have a drill?

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>>42092156
Corncobs.

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>>42092113
SIG ammo, I would not recommend.

.40sw is almost always 3-5 bucks more than the equivalent 9 per box, but yeah you can get it on sale.
For hollow points and HD, they all cost about the same anyway.

>>42092146
Glocks are like Honda Civics. Nothing special, you're never going to brag about it and only nerds soup them up.
But, it starts up and gets you to work everyday with minimal maintenance.
Everyone should have a Glock 19. Like a 1022 and an AR.
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>>42092186

I hate Glock ergos too much to have one.

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>>42092191

Glock ergos are such that you either love them or hate them. Personally I prefer a more angled backstrap. Back when point shooting was a thing a more acutely angled grip was believed to make the pistol "point" better, where a more vertical grip was believed to cause the muzzle to drop when thrusting the pistol forward from the high ready position. This was the reason for the hump in the mainspring housing on the 1911A1. But then Fairbairn, Applegate and their colleagues changed the stance to the low ready keeping the elbow and wrist stiff and bringing the pistol up into the line of sight by swinging up from the shoulder which negated the muzzle dip issue.

In terms of grip angle Glock roughly splits the difference between the 1911 and the Luger. The 1911a1 being ~105 degrees, Glock being 112 and the Luger being 124.

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>>42092186
>only nerds soup them up
So Honda is a bunch of nerds for making the Type R?

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here's a video which features a historian (maybe lol) and is a expert on the 2nd amendment

this guy pretty much proves the people who try to misinterpret this amendment wrong

example "hurr durr it was meant for the militia so therefor it is not an individual right"

"whatever the government had, you could have" he stated

people owned canons back then

pretty much you can use whatever to defend yourself

The Second Amendment: American Masterclass with Historian David Barton | Louder With Crowder

yes, i know it's crowder who hosts it, but this is about history
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>>42092350
I mean the Type R Civic is pretty damned awesome.

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Behold! Eight and a half pounds of lead. Or in other words roughly one-eighth of what's needed to kill a Scorchbeast in Fallout 76(about half my playtime there is spent farming lead).

Should be enough to keep my boomsticks fed for a day or two.

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>>42092813
How many aqueducts did you need to get that?

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>>42092841
That said, you may be more of a "I'll evaporate it out of some of this ancient Roman wine that killed people" kinda guy.

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>>42092842

That wasn't really wine. Rather they dissolved lead into strongly acidic vinegar thereby creating a sweet and highly toxic beverage.

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>>42092855
It was wine at some point!

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>>42092856

I suppose, technically.

Anyway a half pound ingot makes ~25 .454 caliber balls.

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So today my daughter and I were shooting the .44, I was kneeling beside her helping her support the thing and after she fired I felt something bounce off my thigh. I knew at once it was a rebounding fragment but I was confused because we were using a big upright pine log for a target and that's not the sort of thing to cause that. So after we were done I went and checked the log and it turns out she managed to hit one of the balls I had fired earlier and that's what had caused the rebound. (That's the fragment on the right, unfired ball on the left for comparison.)
Wasn't able to find the fragment that hit me though. But I thought that was neat.

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Observe: When I cast the ball on the left the mold was too cool so the lead set prematurely causing the lines you see in the ball. This can affect accuracy. The ball on the right was cast when the mold was properly hot so it's nice and smooth.
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Should i trade my flat top 10" upper for one with a fixed front sight?

It has a carry handle with it thats removable, but i feel like irons with night sites are better than the flip ups i have on it now, and since a 10" is kind of just a quick and dirty rather than a precision tool, i feel like the flat top and quad rail isnt exactly necessary.

Would make a good replacement truck rifle for coyote control.

Now tell me why i shouldnt.
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>>42093044

fixed iron sights is best.

But then I'm slowly becoming a fudd so what do I know?

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>>42093049
I agree.

Ill miss the quad rail... but all i need is a little section to put a flashlight on anyway.

I think im losing out on the deal, because i would be giving a free floated fluted upper for a just... regular one. But when opportunity knocks...
I'm giving it a week, if its still at the store on sat, ill swap them around and see what i like. It would help his sell to some turbo kid too.

I feel like the fudds of our generation will be at least... willing to look at new things? haha. But you cant argue with what works.

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>>42093044
gonna be a lackluster answer from me

buuuut

whatever is most comfortable for you

>>42093049
you know you're a fudd if the mini 14 is too much for you

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>>42093050

As it happens I just decided on a whim to remove the RAS from my A4-gery and going back to the round plastic handguard with a far-forward rail section but then after removing the RAS and fighting to get the handguard on for a minute I decided the weight difference wasn't worth the effort and put the RAS back on and settled for just removing the flashlight and other extraneous bitz(which I will probably put back on in a week or two).

>>42093052

I was always more of an AK guy myself.

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>>42093052
It would be replacing the one you shot.
Which, btw, i lengthened the not-a-stock on so that its a bit more comfortable.

I think i would rather have the iron sights tbh.
Plus it would be a ton more "heat" of me to have it that way haha.

>>42093054
I like the plastic handguards tbh. I always feel bad putting a quad rail on them. Plus, heat shields are nice.
I like the thiny thin ones, but this one comes with a one of the newer bulkier ones.
Magpul stuff looks like doodoo.

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>>42093054
i always thought you preferred the AR to the AK

well at the very least i know you own plenty of slavshit

>>42093056
oh you're talking about that one

i liked the sight you had on it personally

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>>42093057
That sight is now on my "14" inch upper, pictured here with a chewy attached to it.
The 10" just has a set of poopie flip ups.

>>42093054
Do you really like the AK better? Not criticizing, but why?

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>>42093063

I didn't say I liked it better. I just have more AK-type guns then I do AR's. Of course I bought a lot of my guns when slavshit was at it's peak in terms of cheapness and availability so that should be taken into account.
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>>42093064
I worked in the gun industry for over a decade and I've never owned even just 1 Russian type.
No AK
No Mak
No Tok
No anything.

Though, I did almost buy a Maddi once. I would if I saw another one and I had money to burn. It's the only one I want haha.
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>>42093063
ah gotcha

>>42093065
>Maddi
why egyptian? i know i likely asked you this before

but polish AK's look identical to soviet builds and function just as well

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>>42093065

In terms of strictly Russian guns I've had two Makarovs(one in .380, one in 9x18), two Saigas(one in 12 guage, one in .308), one Nagant revolver and three Mosin-Nagants(a 91-30, an M38 and an M44.

I also have an E. German Makarov, three WASR-10's, a Polish P-64 and probably a couple other things I can't recall ATM.

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>>42093071
how much do WASR-10's go for these days?

they used to be in the 500 range

ive lost track

AK's got hit in the face with supply and demand
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>>42093072

Well they're still around $500 here. Back when I was buying them they were closer to $300-$350. One of the ones I bought was a single-stack model imported during the federal AWB which I got for ~$250, converted to double-stack and then sold for a small profit.

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>>42093071
Ah, i guess i have had a Mosin come to think of it.

For $60 bucks, why not?
I think i sold it for like $400... people are dumb.

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>>42093073
seems roughly the same then

thank you

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>>42093072
>>42093073
I usually only see them around the 700 dollar range. However, it seems lately like people have been dumping M10s for 500-600.

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>>42093074

I've also have the AES-10 posted above and had a Hakim, though that's not slavshit.

>>42093075

Well that's here in central PA. A lot of things tend to be a bit cheaper here than average.

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>>42093098
I keep looking at a Hakim at the store, but, I feel like I'll just lose a finger if I buy it.
That action is too intense haha. Makes the garand look like a love tap.

Did you shoot it much? It 8mm right?
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>>42093099

The action is pretty intense, though it's not so much the reciprocation that's the problem as the gas that blasts in your face. Safety glasses are a must. I shot it a fair amount, I still have a bunch of old Yugo surplus 8mm laying around, it was pretty accurate and the recoil was fairly light, of course it is a fecking huge gun.

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>>42093108
Yeah the thing weighs about 40lbs, so I imagine the recoil would be fairly soft haha. The bolt isn't very massive ether, it's just a mouse trap.

I always tell people you can tell it's an Egyptian gun because the receiver is a pyramid haha.

I think I have some 8mm kicking around, maybe I'll take it out to the range and see what it does.
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>>42093044

Post upper

>>42093072

At this point the AK market is such ass that it's not worth getting into unless you want to grab something special.

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>>42093245
Which one?
The fixed post one is just a plain Jane palmetto affair, and the one I have now is this:
https://www.cbcindustries.com/products/ar-15-upper-assembly-10-5-223-5-56-1-7-9-hera-arms-irs-unmarked-ar-15-handguard-rail/

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https://www.k-var.com/cent-arms-rh10-ak47-762x39-30rd-wood

For a few months, I've had my eyes on one of these. The furniture is bad, though.

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A or B?

Edit:
The fixed post upper is an Aero btw.
Also just comparing uppers.
Both are 10.5
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>>42093286
B. And then ductape a maglite to it and mount an aimpoint to your carrying handle, and it's all good.

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>>42093286

Carry handle is best.

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The gangs all here.

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Have we done this yet?
I didnt make the list of manufacturers haha.
https://tiermaker.com/create/firearms-manufacturers-79789

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Time for some fresh Luger porn as served up by Gun Jesus. He visited the fellow who custom builds new Lugers and reviewed a 1 of 100 Abercrombie & Fitch contract Luger built with Swiss target barrels. The story behind this run of pistols is very unique and well worth watching. As Bill Cosby used to say "If you're not careful you just might learn something."

Abercrombie & Fitch Luger

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>>42093372
People forget, or never knew, that abercrombie use to be an actual outfitter before devolving into the creepy outlet at the mall.

I have a .410 SxS Antonio Zoli Abercrombie at my shop, that the person consigning it wants way too much for.
The stock has been cut down, which is a shame, but they at least did a nice job of it.

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>>42093373

That's the common life cycle of an outfitter. They start out producing/selling small batches of high-quality goods for high prices, when they reach a certain point of success they reduce quality, increase quantity and branch out into mass-market crap. If they entirely throw away their exclusive image they devolve into just another shop at the mall, a shadow of their former selves.

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>>42093377
>If they entirely throw away their exclusive image they devolve into just another shop at the mall, a shadow of their former selves.

>Coleman

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>>42093381

Indeed. Woolrich is desperately clinging on to exclusivity(and the higher prices that come with it) despite all their stuff being made in Vietnam or Bangladesh or whatever now.

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If anything is killing off brick and mortar retailing, it's Amazon. Just last week I had to order parts for my car and Amazon's suppliers shipped free in 4 days for half the price local car part shops offered. If you shop enough and pay for Prime shipping, that can be worth the yearly price for membership. Retail is hard pressed to compete no matter what corners they cut or who they get their items from.

Now if only we could make it legal for Amazon to sell and ship guns directly...

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I swapped the handguards.

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Ever get the urge to buy a big industrial magnet and go fishing with it? You never know what you might find...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-pulls-uzi-submachine-gun-083103844.html

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>>42093398
That looks good.
Stock handguards are coming back into Vogue haha.
I like them better tbh. They just work.

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>>42093455

Ya, and while the RAS doesn't feel much heavier than the round handguard on it's own it is enough to make a noticeable difference in balance of the rifle.
I am kinda tempted to get an A2 upper but I know if I do then I'll have to build a whole new rifle for it, get more ammo and mags to feed it, probably find an Aimpoint for the A4 and so on and so on...

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Yesterday I found an M1951 fishtail parka at Goodwill for $7.50. The liner is kinda ratty but the coat and hood are in very good condition.

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>>42093455
>>42093485

I ditched my RAS as well. Just got a tri-rail to put on my A2 handguards for mounting a flashlight. Weighs much less.

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>>42093485
Yeah, thats the challenge of building a new gizmo... The addons haha.
Ive been good at just doing uppers though.
I love my free float 20" but im thinking about doing an A2.
I also need more flat tops for my SCR.... It never ends.
Sorry for the delay btw.

>>42093651
Your goodwills are so BA

>>42093698
As in ditched a RAS47?
The plastic handguards are cheap, classic, heat shielded and work.
If stoner wanted aluminum quad rails, god would have told him to do it from the begining :P

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>>42093776

I think it's a sign I live in a high-level area. Also is an M65 parka, not a 51. They're pretty much identical except the 51 has a smaller built-in hood like the desert night camo parka which uses the same cut. The M65 only has the button-on hood. Originally both parkas had an alpaca wool liner but that was later replaced with a synthetic pile liner which is what this one has. The nylon liners for the M65 field jacket and night camo parka will also fit.

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The following news is /k/ enough to warrant posting it here instead of starting a separate thread.

Three days ago, Ian of Forgotten Weapons chose to stick his foot into the YouTube wars. He announced that he's working with Jörg Sprave of The Slingshot Channel in organizing a legal push against YouTube's policy of refusing to provide formal published rules for creating content. This can be done in the EU due to their legal situation over there.

Jörg Sprave is more than a backyard engineer. He's formed a YouTube creators union in Germany and has found a legal partner with deep pockets who earnestly desire to make YT be the partner they claim to be with creators.

My gut instinct is that this won't turn out well for content creators no matter how many law firms the Germans can organize. It may also be the end of Forgotten Weapons and The Slingshot Channel on YT. Ian has quietly suggested he's already organizing a move away from hosting his work on YT but is being very low key to keep from pissing away what little good will he still has with Alphabet.

Godspeed to Ian and Jörg!

Monetization and the YouTubers Union
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>>42093856

Youtube seems bound and determined to drive everybody off to greener pastures.

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might interest some of you, doing a ceremonial thing at my cousin's wedding next week with swords so here's a genuine in-service army officer's sword

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>>42093944

Neat! Here's mine.

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>>42093946
they're cool af bro

i wouldn't get one because i'm no officer but damn it's sick

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>>42093947

Swords are fun. Mine is also an officer's sword. There is also an NCO's sword but the officer's model is far more common. Here in the US Marines and Cavalry units are pretty much the only ones who bother with swords at all and of course Cav also do the stetsons, spurs, scarfs etc. Which I find amusing because, due to what amounts to military gerrymandering my unit would switch between being classed as Mechanized Infantry who have a fierce disdain for such accessorizing and Cav who embrace it and that along with all the organizational changes that come with it never failed to offend the saltier NCO's.

The most recent occurrence of this change also saw my unit, part of the Pennsylvania National Guard made part of 3rd Squadron, 278th Armored Cavalry Regiment Tennessee National Guard. Which pissed-off a lot people because not only did it require a reclass and reorganization but also required changing unit patches from the PANG's keystone insignia to... Whatever the 278th's unit insignia is meant to be.

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>>42093846
You could have called it a 2f996 parka and i would have just taken your word for it haha.
Here is mostly folks with "high end" rifles, flavor of the month stuff, and no other gear.
Army navy stores are all around though, i should stop in one soon.

>>42093856
The Inrange crew has been pretty outspoken about this stuff for the past year or so. Iirc none of their videos are monetized and they rely souly on patreon. Not sure about FW though.
Who knows, maybe some good will come of it.
Taofledermaus have been making vids about this issue too.

>>42093954
Tactical practical.

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>>42093776

M5 RAS quad rail

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>>42094001
>Not sure about FW though.
Ian stated he's not relying on YT monitazaion. I think he said he's using Patreon as well in the linked video and doing well enough to have bought a new home. Like most other content creators, he's come to the end of the road with playing games with YT and just wants them to play fair by publishing the rules creators need to abide by.

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>>42094001

I like to be specific. The detachable hood will also mount on an M65 field jacket.

Also I got a Cold Steel 1917 frontier Bowie. Is hueg. Matches well with my fudd guns.

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I think my next purchase is going to be a Uberti Whitneyville Dragoon.

And totally not because I just reread Blood Meridian again. Nope, totally not.

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This isnt a meme.
This is actually a TALO exclusive Glock.

I... Dont... Even...

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Talk me out of buying a Remington 1858 and getting into BP shooting
I want to get into BP but my next purchase should be a .22 rifle
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>>42094423

Do it faggot. BP might not be very high-speed but it really puts the fundamentals and evolution of firearms into perspective.

Also get a melting pot and molds and cast your own balls too.

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>>42094607
The history is what makes me interested in BP, there is also a lot of tinkering involved which makes it even better
However, the .22 is a must have in any hunting focused arsenal since there are some situations where a shotgun is too powerful or loud
Plus i'd get some experience on rifles so the transition to large caliber rifles isn't that bad if i decide to join the deer/moose section of the hunting club

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>>42094866

Yes indeed, I got my 1858 due to my love of Civil War Cavalry. My favorite .22 is my Winchester 94/22, is lever action, shoots .22 short, long and long rifle, is very accurate and is a takedown. Unfortunately they've been out of production for a good while, I believe Ithaca and Henry make similar guns though.

Of course there's also the Ruger 10/22, the Remington 597 and Savage makes some excellent bolt-actions as well.

Oh, and if you want a BP gun with a stock there is a cattleman's carbine version of the Remington 1858. That would be adequate for hunting too.

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>>42094867
A lever action .22 would be pretty cool, sadly they are few and far between around here because bolt actions are the thing in .22's around here, so most likely i'll be getting a TOZ or a Sako
A semi would be more functional but it's gotten harder to get a license for a semi thanks to the EU

>cattleman's carbine

I actually saw one of those for sale, but isn't there a risk of loosing some fingers with those?

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>>42094885

You do want to keep your fingers behind the cylinder face. A teacup grip is ideal.

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>>42094938
So i would be better off with a normal revolver or a full size cap musket?

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So after casting another 100 or so .454 balls yesterday and looking at all the lead I still have I had the thought that I'm gonna need more BP guns to shoot it all. It was about then I remembered a Traditions .45 Pioneer Pistol kit I got about a decade or so ago that I never finished because it required more hand-fitting than I felt comfortable trying to tackle back then. The sight dovetails were too shallow and narrow, the sights were made of some mystery metal that were marred more by my brass punch than vise versa, the hammer was canted and so wouldn't strike the cap true and the trigger bar would slip off the sear and jam the whole thing up. This kit seems to be long out of production now and can't say I'm terribly surprised. I got it on clearance at my LGS for about $50.

Well I dug it up and am now working on getting it working. I put the files to the sights and dovetails and got them installed successfully, I blued the barrel and applied linseed oil to the stock, once the stock is dry I'll work on the lock fitment and if that is successful I might even have a go at shooting it. It does seem to use a larger percussion cap than the 1858 though so I'm gonna have to track those down.

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>>42095034
Exciting, looking forward to hearing it shoots well.

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>>42095033

Probably.

So I dug up a big box of assorted shotgun shells That were given to me years back, they had gone through a flood and were all corroded so I cut them open harvested the shot and cast another 5 pounds of lead from them so now I have ~14.5 pounds in ingots. I think I'm going to get 00 buckshot and 12G slug molds too.

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Here's the Pioneer Pistol assembled. I'm really pleased with how the finish turned out. I had stained the stock back when I first got and the linseed oil really darkened it up. I might wait a week or two polish it up with some 600 grit sandpaper and then apply another coat of oil.

The barrel is pretty nice too, it had some surface rust on it and rather than remove it completely I just put the wire brush wheel to it and then dabbed it with cold blue solution thus giving a faux antiqued patina. I think I have the sear and trigger bar squared away so all that's left is to get the hammer straightened out.

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So I went to the funshop in search of muzzle loading supplies and came home with two boxes of 5.56mm blanks.

This is my attention span at work.

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I bought a POF MP5K clone and the A3 style brace by SB tactical.

They will come by mail soon.

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>>42095515

Those things always fall into the uncanny valley for me. There's just something off about the dimensions.

Also I got the Pioneer Pistol ready to fire. I had to inlet the stock a fair bit under the barrel tang to get the hammer to strike the nipple true. I also polished the sear and trigger bar. Gonna go shoot it later if the weather holds.
I was originally motivated to get it put together because of the dearth of lead I've accumulated for my .44, well it turns out the pioneer pistol, a .45, takes a .440 ball while my Remington .44 uses a .454 this is of course because the muzzleloader requires the balls to be patched while the balls for the revolver are pressed directly into the cylinder. So I got a box of Hornady .440 and will be ordering a mold to make more. Also going to get a 12 gauge slug mold. A few 1 ounce slugs ought to eat up some of those ingots.

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It worked! And it didn't explode!

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>>42095586
>Those things always fall into the uncanny valley for me. There's just something off about the dimensions.

You're right. You probably already know that the receiver on this model--called a "reverse stretch"--is an inch longer than a true MP5K.

You can use a wire collapsible stock with the reverse stretch, though, and to me, that makes all the difference, just because I like it that way.

>>42095605
Neat!

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Is this legal?

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I made a thing!

>>42095780

Yes!

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>>42095844
Needs a couple more forward nails but overall quite nice.

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>>42096045
Problem with melee weapons is when is too much improvisation counterproductive?

Take this faggot for example. One swing with this thing and the odds are you aren't getting it back from whomever you clubbed with it. It's like jamming a bayonet into someone. You risk not being able to withdraw after the first blow.

Stick to a heavy hardwood club or bat with a small random number of rusty nails that protrude no more than an inch, three quarters of an inch to insure you're not going to hang up on clothing made of denim or leather.

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>>42096045

Is still a work in progress, after I took that pic I extended the grip, making it two-handed, gonna reduce the length of the nails by about half, stain and oil the wood(Is hickory btw), wrap the head with wire, then tack the wire down with upholstery studs.

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>>42096083
Very nice. Maybe you might consider making a baby brother for it someday. I fell in love when I learned the back story behind British truncheons issued to their 19th and 20th century police.

Once I saw Adam Savage build a TV show prop truncheon for an actor, I fell so hard in love with the idea of a weighted mace.

Adam Savage's One Day Builds: Hero Prop for TV Show!

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>>42096169

I started making a flanged mace head a while back but was turned off by the amount of welding necessary to assemble it.

Here's the club as of now, I added more nails, shortened them to project just a bit beyond the duplex heads and applied the first coat of ebony stain.
I also started work on Throatslicer, an OP AF knife from Fallout 4 which you can see soaking in vinegar behind the club.

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>>42096244
>>42096245

Definitely looks better with the stock.

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>>42096246
Shhhh....if you call it a "stock" then the ATF will be on to me!

It's a pistol brace! That's right!
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>>42096252
I've wanted a pistol brace but didn't want to watch as the laws change on a whim. Currently the arm brace is 100% approved and the ATF isn't enforcing any infractions involving 'accidental' use as a stock. This can change in a heart beat.

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>>42096267
No shits given about a whim right now. It's nice to see what a short weapon's like at the moment without having to pay the tax.

Next thing in line for me probably will be a suppressor.

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Picked this up yesterday at a price that basically amounts to theft. Tried removing the optic mount but that shit is on there tighter than anything I've ever seen, so for now I'm stuck using this dot if I plan to be able to actually aim.

Anyone know if there's some sort of trick to these things? It's a Wichita scope mount.

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>>42096459

Was probably slathered in red loctite. Heating it with a torch might loosen it up.

Also be sure to acquire a side-folding stock so you can larp as a member of the A-team.

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>>42096459
Like Snowbell said, I'd torch it.
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>>42096462

>Also be sure to acquire a side-folding stock so you can larp as a member of the A-team.


That was my plan exactly. They're so expensive though.

>>42096464

Worst comes to worst I'll just leave it and just keep a decent short-mid range optic on it. Old Mini sights are garbage anyway.

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I think imma start selling of some pewpews to fund other hobbies.

Inversely, i might also start picking up lowers as an election investment.

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>>42096803
Why, though? You should never get rid of a gun unless it's so bad that it was a mistake.

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>>42096459
Thirded. Remove the red dot if it isn't locked down then use a very tightly regulated heat source. Use a hair drier to gently bring the temp of the metal up around the mount and receiver without destroying the strength of the steel. Melting the mount is pretty counterproductive so don't go at it with a gas torch.

If worse comes to worse, get a professional to drill the screws just deep enough to separate the mount from the receiver then countersink the screws or just drill the damn things out and re-tap the receiver. Given the discount price you got, you are well ahead of the game.
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>>42097107
>that img

I left my wallet in the car, brb

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>>42097107
There is plenty of chaff to be skimmed and still be no slouch.
I just want to keep the daily drivers, and the irreplacables. The rest deserve an good home, and i deserve the cash.

Though, the LGS had a legit specter in... Quad stack mags... Italian craftsmanship... Ooooo.
This is how mistakes get made.

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>>42097116

My ideal would be to get irons back on the thing, which I could do if I could just get this shit off. I haven't tried heating it yet because lolwork, but I'll try that first and if it fails, gunsmith.

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>>42097107

This, don't sell guns.

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>>42097259
On the chopping block are my Cx4, 92fs, savage 220, savage mkii, 1022TD and my Benelli montefeltro.

Don't need em, never shoot them, why have them?

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>>42097260

You never know.

How much you want for the cx4?

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>>42097261
I unno, 550?

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>>42097262

Does it take the 92fs mags?

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>>42097264

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I might take you up on that.

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>>42097265
PM me the FFL you want it sent to.

Also, if you take the 92 with it ill toss in all the mags, i think i have like...12ish.
Only one or 2 are checkmates haha.

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>>42097266

Lemme ponder it, do you have anything to contact me outside of this place? I can't remember.

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>>42097268
No, but my discord info is on the home page, toss me an addy.

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Im at the first pistol match of the season.
If we lose tonight this will be the worst September 11th ever.

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>>42097522
Good luck!

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>>42097522
>If we lose tonight this will be the worst September 11th ever.

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We lost.

>>42097528

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>>42097548
Well...shit. :/

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>>42097550
It was 1300 to 1324 so not that bad, and i personally had the highest score of the match.
Also, team shot 30 points higher than our first match last year.

Just shaking off the cobwebs haha.

prob karma for all the sept 11 jokes

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Now these are some real guns.

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Colt suspending production of AR-15 for civilians. No big loss. They're a drop of water in a swimming pool full of companies that will gladly carry on.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/colt-suspending-production-of-ar-15-for-civilians

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>>42098319
By suspending production they mean they will stop licensing their stamp out to people and sometimes cerakoting a receiver... They haven't "produced" a firearm in years.

No loss, colt should have died years ago.

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>>42098330
>No loss, colt should have died years ago.
They will now. Get woke, go broke, no joke.

Another story posted on CNN quotes Colt's reasoning as 'the buyers aren't buying. We're still building and selling grossly overpriced 1911s.' Gee, I wonder why people won't buy their crappy looking rifles? Maybe it's the price? Naw.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/19/business/colt-ar15/index.html

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>>42098332
Not to mention they fucked dealers over SO hard with their "stocking dealer" program that they are bad-mouthed in almost every little shop across the country.

Colts were mostly sold through big box stores and to fanboys special order at dealers.

Garbage products, im pretty sure charter arms makes their revolvers for them.
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We bullpup now

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>>42098342
So i take it your not buying the Cx4 then?

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>>42098344

Still might, but I had to jump on this.

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>>42098342
Congrats! I've always had a desire to shoot one of these to see if it is everything that reviewers claim it is. Such aesthetics!

Hope you got a good deal. The price was always too high for my budget.

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/products/steyr-aug-a3-m1-black-extended-rail

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>>42098367
I kinda decided to keep it tbh...
Its just so comfy.

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Opinions on the Calico weapons systems and their plans to expand into rifle cartridges with the helical feed mags? any speculation regarding how many rounds they'll have considering their 9mm mags are 50 and 100 rounds?

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>>42098394
>Opinions
They are heavy and don't work.
Moving to a rifle cart means they will be heavier and still won't work, but for new and exciting reasons.

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>>42098394
More than an opinion. If you ever encounter one in a used gun shop, just shoulder it and attempt to get a cheek weld against the magazine. You can't. Next, look at this folding stock and how it deploys. Think this will help with your ability to acquire a target quickly? It's among the most painful stocks to put on a gun.

It's a very poor ergonomic design with a unreliable and expensive magazine mechanism that makes shooting the carbine and rifle versions an exercise in futility. Don't get me started on the factory sights either. They're plastic and shit.

Can't say I have handled the pistol versions but would guess the 9mm version would be back heavy with the high cap magazine.

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>>42098394

The Russians tried helical mags at various points. As does North Korea. The Bizon smg has a 64 or 53 round mag and the Type 88 assault rifle has a 100-150 round mag.

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>>42098472
Ah yes, two countries known for their engineering triumphs.

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>>42098370

I got a stupid good deal, only reason I got it.

>>42098389

I don't blame you

>>42098394

Cool concept, but shit.

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>>42098549
I had to take the optic off to put on my competition pistol and while i was handling it i was all like "ooooo" "OOOOOO" haha.

If you like, messaged me and said "okay lets do this" i would have honored it, but since you got the AUG i dont feel to bad about clutching on haha.

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>>42098554

This was a total impulse thing, but it's definitely setting me back for a bit on any other funs lol.

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>>42098581
Its worth it though, buy once cry once.
Have you taken it out to the range yet?

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Prolex makes good for to clean a laptop.
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>>42098479

“Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he’ll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas Fucking Edison.” ― Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon

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Just bought this bad boy lads, what what we thinking

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>>42098623
Oi! You got a lot a loicense fer dat weapon?!

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>>42098623
Woah woah woah... Dude.
Lets just calm it down okay?
No one needs a spork, its over kill and i hear they can hold an entire steak and 1000 liters of soup, and can be modified to hold more.

No, but seriously, it is nice to know you can pass a background check though.

in actual seriousness, this was the first post i saw when i woke up, and i didnt quite know what thread/board it was in and i literally thought to myself ”oh dude, awesome fork". I especially like it because it looks as though the handle can be used as a butter knife

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>>42098623
Remember lad, they can’t ask for your loicense if your weapon is more threatening than theirs.

Butter knifes > rubber batons.

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>>42098623

Nice. Mine is made of titanium.

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>>42098673
I've got 4.

It's annoying when they scratch the finish on my bowls and plates. They were my dear old Great Aunt's.

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Make Your AR-15 CALIFORNIA COMPLIANT in 1 Move. Stick it to the Man. Cry a little after.
A neat thing.
Im thinking about getting it for my SCR 49 state compliant build.
It was what i was building instead of a bolt gun in the first place, so this would make it pretty fun i think.

At the end there is also a lesson about how super mods reduce reliability haha.

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>>42098749
>behind enemy lines

Rude.

I don't disagree with him in the fact that these restrictions are stupid as hell, however I really wish people would stop treating Cali like it's some kind of enemy state because of it's gun laws. I mean yeah, our gun laws suck but our civil rights laws are ahead of most other states. So it's a give and take sort of thing.

I may not be able to own an unmodified AR-15, but at the same time I'm less likely to be shot by one just because I decided to wear a pink shirt.

I'm going to Tennessee for a week with my mom in about 5 days to help her get settled in, but to be honest the only reason I'm okay with it was because I haven't fully transitioned and if I don't say anything you can't tell I'm trying to.

If I had there is a very good chance I probably wouldn't be comfortable going at all.

Also, before anyone goes "Murder is still murder though!" let me enlighten you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense#Trans_panic

Essentially, this means that legally someone can legitimately get off the hook for said murder because they "panicked" after finding out someone was trans. States where this is a legal defense basically state that trans people have about as much right to life as a rabid dog.

So yeah. I'll take a bolt action AR over literally fearing for my life every single day.
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>>42098760
Yeah, i dont like when people do that ether, but im more interested in the product than the politics that warrant its existence.

Most "gun guy" videos are douchy, thats just a fact of life haha.

Also, to your last point, there are a bunch of shootings in cali, all the time, with ar15s, and cali is #1 in the country for mass shootings by pretty much double the next leading state.
So its not really the laws keeping you from getting shot i would say, its more likely the statistical improbability of it happening in the first place.
I mean VT and NH have (had) the least restrictive gun laws, and also the lowest crime and murder rates.
Its more than just the gun.
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>>42098761
Well yeah. I'm not even pretending these laws do ANYTHING to protect people from getting shot. It's a load of feel good bullshit made by people who know jack shit about guns.

I'm just saying that if I am going to be shot in Cali, it's going to be by someone who just hates life and wants to kill as many people as possible before ending themselves, or because someone wants to rob me.

I'm not really at high risk of being shot just because I have a dick.

I mean yeah. Shot is shot, but it's not like I'm any safer from the first two in any other state either.

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>>42098760
To your edit.

Thats fine.
Like i said, i put this video of a product in the thread where we discuss gun products for just that reason, not to discuss the politics.

You baited me, congrats, but i dont want to have the same convo for the 100th time in this thread.
Go make a thread about gun laws somewhere else, and maybe ill talk to you there.
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>>42098763
Okay, okay. Sorry. Wasn't my intention.

I wasn't baiting you by the way. I was just bored and was looking for a topic to talk about. Please don't accuse me of such.
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>>42098764
I know you weren't intentionally trying to bait maliciously, i just wish i could enjoy this hobby without a bunch of political BS around it.

It would be like if you posted a new VR controller or something because you thought it was cool in the video game thread and the conversation 100% of the time turned into how video games are hurting kids and too violent, by people who dont even play them haha.
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>>42098765
I mean in my defense it would be kind of like me putting up the demo but the game wasn't available in some states because of laws and the guy in the video going, "If you live in one of these Communist gulags you'll have to get it somewhere else."

I mean yeah, not that big of a deal but if you lived in one of those places and didn't hate it, it would be off-putting, wouldn't it?

Also, I never actually argued with you on anything, tbh. California's gun laws are stupid and ineffective at what they are trying to do and I 100% agree on that. All I was doing was saying, "Yeah, but it's not all bad." and I was basically met with, "No actually it's all pretty shit. You should be ashamed to live there."

I wasn't really arguing gun laws with you at all more than I was just saying "it's not all bad here" and the response was basically "yes it is."

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>>42098760
>Also, before anyone goes "Murder is still murder though!" let me enlighten you.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense#Trans_panic
Isn't that only if you're about to do sexual with them? I don't think it applies if a stranger just blows you away on the street because you're transgender.

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>>42098767
Here's the issue.

Say I'm at a bar (hypothetically), and some dude comes up and tries to hit on me. Even if I flat out say, "Hey, FYI, I'm trans." before anything happens that is enough to trigger one of these episodes in some people.

So you don't even have to agree to anything, or do anything sexual with anyone. If someone so much as finds you attractive and then tries to act on it and has a violent reaction when they find out, they can use the defense.

Anyway, I'm not going to derail the thread with this. Sorry.
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>>42098766
Well, not really since if the demo is the product, it means the demo was specifically made to conform to the state some video games were not available in, and you found it still interesting and fun.
>but if you lived in one of those places and didn't hate it, it would be off-putting, wouldn't it?
Yeah, it would, though i probably wouldn't defend it.
Like i said, i agree that its douchy to make fun of cali to the extent people do, but most of the time its not making fun of cali, its making fun of the laws they live under. Its like when you make fun of the UK for porn licenses, illegal speech, and cameras on every corner.
>All I was doing was saying, "Yeah, but it's not all bad." and I was basically met with, "No actually it's all pretty shit. You should be ashamed to live there."
This is a pretty extreme take on what i said tbh.
You said
>I may not be able to own an unmodified AR-15, but at the same time I'm less likely to be shot by one
Which, isnt true. Thats all. I didnt say it was shit to live there and you should be ashamed, i just noted that the likely hood is actually statistical greater, though still insignificant.
I for sure didnt mean for you to take that personally.
I even agreed that the hyperbole in the video was unnecessary.
>>42098768
Tbh, i wouldnt worry about derailing, the more i think about it I'm probably the only person ITT who would actually think thats a neat thing haha.
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>>42098802
I mean, i get that he sees the tattoo as a trophy, but i feel like if your going to keep something like that and show it off around the office, you should probably be less aloof about it.
I mean, what did he think was going to happen?

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>>42098584

I have, it was instant love. Trigger was meh but the rest of the rifle is great. I got used to the rearward reloading pretty quick

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>>42098760

>I really wish people would stop treating Cali like it's some kind of enemy state because of it's gun laws.


It wouldn't be an issue except that Californian politicians try to force it on everyone else.

>I mean yeah, our gun laws suck but our civil rights laws are ahead of most other states.


The right to bear arms is a natural and logical extension of the right to self defense, which is among, if not THE most important of human rights, as you can't exercise any others if you're fucking dead.

Infringing on it is a massive strike against Cali even if they do respect some other, less fundamental rights.

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>>42099088
>other, less fundamental rights

Like the right to just be alive?

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>>42099089

The right to "just be alive" is the point behind the right to bear arms.

Depriving people of the right to defend their life effectively infringes on their right to "just be alive".
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>>42099091
Must be nice to have that apply to you.

And I'm not talking about being in California.

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>>42099094

It applies to everyone. It's a human right even if more authoritarian minded people don't want to accept it.

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>>42099095
Yeah, except in practice if someone was trying to hurt me and I shot them in self defense, I would have to have proof that it was in self defense, I'd need witnesses, and I'd have to have a solid case in my defense.

On the flip side, they just have to go, "Man, bitch was a dude. I panicked." and then the judge is like, "Oh, okay. For a second we thought you committed an actual crime against a real person, you're free to go."

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>>42099096

That's a very, VERY specific scenario that is highly unlikely compared to the self-defense scenarios that occur every day.

Your link showed all people who engaged in violence against the victim were convicted as far as I can see.

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>>42099097
They were convicted of lesser crimes than murder, yeah.

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>>42099098

>defendants Mike Magidson and Jose Merél were convicted of second-degree murder

>Andrade was sentenced to a mandatory sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole after he was convicted by a jury of first-degree murder

Some weren't but without knowing the details there could be a number of reasons why they did not get charged with murder. All were still convicted though.

Point is, it's not a good defense and won't likely work.

If these victims had been armed, maybe they could have saved themselves.

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>>42099099
>If these victims had been armed, maybe they could have saved themselves.

Probably not as often as you think.

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>>42099100

Odds would be improved. People successfully defend themselves from multiple attackers all the time. If the choices are be unarmed and face certain death or be armed and face a potential struggle, why not pick the one that gives you the best chance?

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>>42099101
Not everyone is as comfortable as you with shooting someone.

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>>42099102

Living to feel bad that someone forced you to shoot them is better than being dead, I reckon.

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>>42099096

Or you could live in a state that isn't a communist shithole where you say "he attacked me, I was in fear for my life and defended myself" and they shrug and say "OK, have a nice day" as they haul his stinking corpse away because castle doctrine.

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>>42099106
Cali is not communist. Plus, I'm not saying it's for everyone, but for someone like me it's probably safer than most places in the US.

For you guys, you can live wherever you want. Not all of us get that luxury.

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>>42099108

"Safe" is relative yo. Most places are "safe" most of the time. Until they're not of course. The fact is that "gun control" which inconvenience the means to self defense by requiring permits, licenses or prohibit this or that here, there or at certain times etc etc. That shit gets people killed. How many people? well that's nigh-impossible to say and that's what makes the whole thing so disgusting and pernicious. They will demand that you account for every detail that lead to you defending yourself while being not accountable in the slightest when their policies backfire. Until people get sufficiently pissed-off to hunt them down and lynch them of course. But that unfortunately takes a while.

I can understand your desire to avoid conflict, it's not like I go around looking for a gunfight like some spaghetti western cowboy either. But the fact is you're only safe until you're not, there's nothing virtuous about being helpless and I personally would rather be a warrior in a garden then a gardener in a war.

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>>42099110
>"Safe" is relative yo.

I mean, you are absolutely right about this. What is safe for me is probably not as safe for you, and vice versa. That's kind of what I was getting at.

By the way, I've made it really clear multiple times that I don't like or support the gun control regulations we have in my state. I think they are stupid and they don't protect anybody. What I am saying is that despite this, I have other protections here I can't get in other states.
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>>42099130
You would probably be just as, if not more safe in my state and have decent gun laws.

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>>42099131
I just looked up Rhode Island and to be honest that does look pretty good.

Now, let's talk weather.

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>>42099132
Well... Its okay, ...sometimes.

Its an acquired taste.
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>>42099134
90 in the summer -18 in the winter.

Hurricanes, nor easters, tornados, blizzards, hail.

But! The good days are awesome!

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>>42099136
Like i said, acquired taste.

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Real soon, I want to get an over under or a Beretta A400 xcel to shoot trap and skeet.

I'm kinda leaning towards a Browning Citori CX because I'll be able to shoot doubles without hitting other shooters to my right with my shells like autos might tend to do.
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>>42099138
They are both good.
But im a Beretta fanboy.

I shoot all the clays with an 870.

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>>42099130
>What I am saying is that despite this, I have other protections here I can't get in other states.

Chances are those protections are nothing more than a velvet rope or security theater.

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>>42099139

>Beretta fanboy


Gotta love spaghetti blasters

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>>42099175
Sigs come with a little thing of lucas oil, and Berettas with a free bottle of olive oil... The choice is easy haha.

Also, a little ash tray.

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>>42099197

Boppity boopy

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>>42099175

I do kinda want an M92FS. I haven't actually bought that many guns the last few years and besides the Pietta M1858 I haven't bought a new pistol in ages. Well I want to get a Whitneyville Dragoon next but perhaps after that I'll get a Beretta.

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>>42099471

Mine's my favorite handgun. Rock solid no matter what I've fed it.

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>>42099197
I thank Sig for the Lucas Oil they packaged with my p320 and nothing else.

I swear it lasts twice as long as CLP on my handguns.

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>>42099198
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>>42099471
I would go m9a3 at this point. Gun is amazing. Its everything the 92/m9 was and more.

>>42099531
Is it really any good? I have a ton of those little packets laying around haha.

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alright homos, i purchased a new bit of kit recently and i used it in the field so I'm gonna give you the lowdown

this set of webbing was £150 from here:https://www.kitmonster.co.uk/product_info.php/cPath/188/products_id/1956 and honestly, it improved my qol in the field so fucking much it's unreal

from left to right, here's what i stored in each pouch
first two are mag pouches, which held two easily. and I know what you're going to say, "only two?" the fact is that storing two mags with an easier mechanism to get in, in this case velcro, is far superior to storing three with a fiddly opening and closing. In total, i could store 8 mags for immediate access, which is more than enough for a firefight. Any more would be far too much for belt kit and would go into the rucksack, but usually 8 is the max given to us for training and we carry boxes of unloaded.
3rd pouch in, the first utility, i carried a water bottle, the 1litre issued kind. Perfect fit, but we'll talk a bit about water bottles later
4th pouch is where i stored my cooker, gas, lighters, compass, para cord and head torch
5th pouch is where i kept my cigarette tin, notepad and any misc small items i could need
6th pouch was again, an issued water bottle, but this one also included a metal mug. The mug was a very snug fit and did not allow easy access to the water bottle in it, but since i was carrying two this wasn't much of an issue. As water bottles depleted i swapped the mug to be with the empty water bottle, and vice versa. I started the ex keeping the water bottles in the 4th and 5th but i found that when i was running about they would bounce far too much to be comfortable, especially when they were full, so moving them to the pouches which were much closer to my hips was a stellar move
and lastly 7 and 8 held mags

The webbing set overall was a stellar purchase that improved my qol immensely. The issued pouches use a weird mechanism seen here: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/rMQAAOSwIw9ccUvc/s-l640.jpg which was fiddly to get into under a firefight. The velcro pouches made my mag changes so much slicker that the difference was unbelievable. I can recall countless times i was flailing about on my belt buckle not putting down suppressive fire because of the issued pouches. Velcro is the way forward

As for the actual belt part of the kit, the hip pad was a genuine improvement over my older kit, especially since i was carrying two water bottles which weighed the webbing down a lot, i had no issues with my webbing riding up or rubbing painfully against me like I've had in the past. The buckle is a bit strange however, it's nice that it's easily adjustable for comfort but occasionally the buckle did slip out after crawling around on the ground. Fortunately, it wasn't that much of a problem since the webbing fit me so well and i had actual weight in it it kept my body shape anyway, so as soon as i had 5 seconds i could put the buckle back in. I do rate the buckle though, since it's metal it won't break and I've had plastic buckles break on me once before, so I'll take 5 seconds of annoyance for it not being made of plastic

thank you for listening to my blog

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Massive Airsoft Arsenal - Best, Weird, & Rare Guns

This was interesting.

I've got some really weak little spring loaded pellet guns I'm going to paint up and detail for props later this year, as well as some Nerf guns I want to do the same to.

Airsoft actually looks pretty fun, but I'm not in shape enough to do it. I'd be worn out in like the first 10 mins.
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>>42099588

It is fun

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>>42099591
Despite the fact that I don't want to own any real guns, I love shooting. I just prefer stuff that doesn't have heavy recoil because I have sensitive girly hands and it hurts after a while, but my favorite arcade games are light gun games, and I love doing shooting in VR, and believe it or not I'm actually quite good at it. I've told you the story of when I went to a shooting range in Vegas before.

It's funny actually because I when I'm doing stuff in VR my stances and positions are set up like actual combat stances, while all my friends who like to think they are the badass military guys hold their guns like it's a fucking purse (arms folded at their sides with their wrists pointed at what they're shooting at.) and it gets me every time.

You're not going to hit shit if you're pretending to be a fucking rabbit when you shoot.
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>>42099587

Looks perty gud.

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>>42099594

>tfw recoil-less directed energy weapons are already regulated

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Also, I found one of the targets I had from when I went shooting in Vegas when I was packing up my room.

I believe this one was a 9mm handgun, not sure what kind or how far away it was. They set all that up for me.
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>>42099633

Shit's preemptively been regulated before they even exist in a usable form.

I forget where I read it.

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>>42099634
You're a good shot!

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>>42099638
Like I said, I play a lot of light gun games and VR shooters.

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FN P90
A review worth watching, even if you shut it off right after the opening sequence.

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I learned a thing today that snowbell might fine useful/interesting.
You can carry a combined weight of 500lbs of ammunition and radioactive material on a bus, but the radioactive material can not be in the passenger compartment.

Neat.

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>>42099639

Fun fact: The whole spiel about video games being "murder simulators" comes from Lt. Col David Grossman's book On Killing. Now most of that book is quite good but Grossman being a boomer took the observation that lightgun games like Silent Scope were all but identical to the military's combat simulators and extrapolated from that that all violent video games desensitized children to violence to the point where they could kill their classmates as easily as flush the toilet.

>>42099934
>but the radioactive material can not be in the passenger compartment.

Sounds like tyranny to me but OK.
It is amusing how people react when you wave a Geiger counter around. More than half of them will act you just pulled a hella venomous snake out of your pocket. They press themselves against the wall and start looking for the nearest window to jump out of. Seems counterproductive to me but what do I know. On the other hand, if you got a Geiger counter and a lab coat you can anywhere and do anything. Is way more effective than pretending to be from the phone company.

Not that i would know or anything...

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https://old.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/dbsoer/some_people_have_no_shame/
>Disgusting,
>A Springfield armory product. . .
Still, in this year 2019, its still a thing haha.
>>42099991
I want to know what i should do if someone has trijicons... That hasnt been covered in the CDL study guide.
I mean, do i make them put the sights under with the baggage?
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>>42100002

Tritium produces alpha radiation almost exclusively. The glow of night sights is caused by a small glass vial with the interior coated with phosphorescent paint which is then filled with tritium. The tritium's alpha radiation causes the paint to glow constantly. Now alpha radiation is fairly powerful stuff but it has no penetrating power. It can't get through paper, glass or human skin so as long as it's outside of you it's quite harmless. Now if you get it inside you by for instance inhaling radon gas it's going to fuck-up your very squishy lungs twice as hard as an equivalent dose of gamma radiation would.

Now night sights contain only a very tiny amount of tritium to begin with but when contained with both the glass vial and the body of the sight you're going to need a very, very sensitive Geiger counter to detect anything from them at all. My old CDV-700 is incapable of detecting alpha at all as the all-metal body of the Geiger-Mueller tube blocks it out. This is intentional, the CDV-700 was only meant to detect beta and gamma radiation and to be able to discriminate between the two. In order to detect alpha you need a Geiger-Mueller tube with a section of very thin and light material like mica which won't block the alpha rays. To be able to pick such a small source out of the background you'll also need one with a fairly large surface area. Typically called a "pancake probe."

In short, I wouldn't worry about it.

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>>42100044
Yeah, it was an attempted humorous remark.
I never seriously thought that i would have to make someone take their sights off and put them under in the luggage compartment. Guve me a little credit haha.

Besides, ill be driving a school bus so i think if that question arises there will be bigger issues at play.

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>>42100065

Clearly you underestimate my desire to ramble about things. If not for my distaste for talking on camera I might have gone the way of Gun Jesus or The Chieftain but I do dislike talking on camera so you'll only get subjected to such things on forums, image boards or in person.

Now on a completely unrelated note. In the Danmachi light novels which I'm presently reading through, Aiz Wallenstein, the secondary character and primary love interest of the protagonist. Her one and only weapon is described as being a saber. Which clearly marks her as a woman of taste and culture. But in the Sword Oratoria manga which follows her and her merry band she carries this odd looking sword:
It looks akin to an ancient Japanese straight-bladed double edge sword called a Tsurugi which is basically a Chinese Jian with a Japanese style hilt. Except this one has a solid, bright blue hilt, presumably made of some fantasy material with the hook on the pommel and the rather inefficient looking quillions attached to the ricasso. As far as fantasy sword designs go it's not awful but it's also not really what I'd call a "saber." I don't recall offhand what her sword looks like in the anime, which implies that I didn't find anything to nitpick about it.

I do like the art style of Sword Oratoria though, it's very cutesy.

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>>42100119
Is that an invite?

That sounds interesting, what time period does the book take place? The more contemporary the setting, the more bad ass a blade for a weapon of choice becomes.

I need a book. I've never read a Tom Clancy novel that i can remember.

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Some tacticool idiot at the range, who had covered his gun in so much crap that I genuinely can't identify it, managed to fuck up the ejector on his gun. Why the hell you'd use a suppressor at a public range, I don't know.The flap was stuck open, and the casing catch net on the range bays was cut from...something.

Empty casing flies all the way across the room at full speed, I was most of the way down the corridor on the way to the restroom. Against all odds: landed primer-side first into the first joint of my ring finger. Finger swole up to twice its normal size and purple-black, had to stop shooting immediately and deal with it.

Am I crazy or is this ridiculously unlucky?

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>>42100160
I've worked on a public range for coming up on a decade and have been hit in the face point blank with just about every small arms casing available, and never once have i seen a case where a spent cartridge was ejected with enough force to break blood vessels, let alone do it across a room.
>The flap was stuck open
Can you elaborate?
>Why the hell you'd use a suppressor at a public range
Same reason you use a muffler on a car on a public road.
I wish everyone would because it would be nice to still hear stuff when I'm old.
>Am I crazy or is this ridiculously unlucky?
I'm not sure yet.

What were you shooting?
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>>42100169
I can't, really. The ejector port flap was held up, even when not firing. And I appreciate the sentiment of everyone having a suppressor for hearing's sake, but the reality is that this is the first suppressor I've ever seen at a range, so it's not really helping anyone. Between the camera-not-glass optics, the giant suppressor, this bullpup I'd never seen before or was unrecognizably modified, this guy had no doubt dropped thousands on this thing and was looking to show off. Despite the fancy camera, he was shooting in the mixed rifle-pistol range, which is pretty short range for what I assume was a target gun?

I was shooting a 91/30, a M9, and a Ruby.

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>>42100171
Its sounds like your describing an ejection port dust cover, and that is supposed to be open when you are firing.

Since the suppressor and the gun its attached to need to be both registered with the ATF its not common to separate them, and you would probably want to practice with it as set up, if you plan to use it that way.
Also there is the possibility that the suppressor is pinned and welded to make the barrel a legal length if its not also registered as an sbr.

If its a bullpup and has a digital optic i doubt its a target gun, but who knows? Did the optic look like this?
https://www.atncorp.com/smart-hd-weapon-sight#dc14
Did the gun look like this?
https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearms/rifles/rfb/
Or this
https://www.steyr-arms.com/us/steyr-aug-a3-m1
Or something else?

How is your knuckle? Did you get first aid?

>I was shooting a 91/30, a M9, and a Ruby.

Nice. 7.62x54R is a bear indoors. I bought my 9130 for 60 bucks and sold it for 360, i regret nothing.
Do you mean a french ruby?

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>>42100179
Yeah, but aren't they also supposed to divert the casing downward? I've never had serious semi-auto rifle. Just plinkers, and most of those were tube fed.

The optic was like, a tiny monitor. Very big, very boxy, wires coming out.
It *kinda* looked like a tavor?

The joint is mostly fine. It's still bruised in color, but the pain, stiffness, and sensitivity is gone. Not much I could really do but clean it and ice it. It managed to break the skin, too, but it was itty bitty.

Frankly, I'm surprised they haven't banned 54R milsurp. They complain so much about heavy damage to the backstop, but the staff has no experience with Russian guns. They probably aren't aware that 54R surp tends to have steel in it.

It's a Spanish Ruby, actually, but it's a WW1 gun. The 91/30 is a hex '35 Tula.

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>>42100211
No, not necessarily. On some bullpups like the p90 the casings are ejected down to facilitate ambidextrous use, but in general casings are ejected right and away.
Some guns like the AR have a deflector that will direct the casing, in the case of the AR they defect forward and right.
I still don't understand how a casing could have hurt you like that, are you sure thats what it was? I mean, you cant even market a gun that does that, who would buy a firearm that hurts your buddy next to you by operation? For the bolt to slam back hard enough to expel the casing with such velocity to damage you that severely would surly do damage to the firearm itself, i mean we are talking about an object that only weights a few grams, it would have to be going 100s of fps.

Did it look like this?
http://www.eotechinc.com/sites/default/files/products/EXPS3-Black.png

We allow 7.62x54R at our range, but we check ammo with a magnet to make sure there is no steel in the projectile. The backstop is rated for .50BMG so 54R isnt going to hurt it, but sparks from steel on steel could ignite a fire.

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>>42100215
100%, it was a casing. Looked like a normal casing, looked .223-ish, maybe it was an overpowered load?

Nope, bigger. Like, twice that big, and literally a cube.

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>>42100151

It's a high fantasy setting. It takes place in the city of Orario which sits atop the entrance to an immense dungeon from which spawn all the monster of the world. Young adventurers come to the city seeking to join a familia, which are groups headed by a god, the gods having descended from the divine realm to this one in search of their own adventure and while most of their divine power has been sealed away on coming to the mortal realm they still have the power to grant blessings to the children of their familia which gives adventurers the power to fight the monsters of the dungeon, level up and delve deeper. The monsters are animated by magic stones within their bodies which can be harvested after slaying them and are used to power the magitech of the world so adventurers can both wealth and glory by delving the dungeon.

Danmachi primarily follows a noobie adventurer named Bell Cranel and his goddess Hestia, the Greek god of home and hearth as he seeks to gain riches and glory and meet some pretty girls as his grandfather who had raised him from a young age had taught him that it's every mans dream to become and adventurer, save a pretty girl from certain doom and fall in love. Only shortly after becoming an adventurer he himself ended up being rescued by Aiz Wallenstein, the "sword saint" or "sword princess" of Loki familia, when a Minotaur she was pursuing ended up crossing Bell's path. Much to the poor boy's great embarrassment.

Danmachi has a light novel, manga and an anime. Sword Oratoria is an manga and an anime.

Here's the mangas:

https://manganelo.com/manga/dungeon_ni_deai_o_motomeru_no_wa_machigatte_iru_darou_ka
https://manganelo.com/chapter/dungeon_ni_deai_o_motomeru_no_wa_machigatte_iru_darou_ka_gaiden_sword_oratoria/chapter_1

>>42100160

>Finger swole up to twice its normal size and purple-black, had to stop shooting immediately and deal with it.


Impressive. I smashed my right pinky finger between the hanging pell and the big steel bar that I use as a stand-in for a rifle/bayonet or a really, really heavy longsword and while it's all black and blue today it didn't swell up or anything. For a rifle to do that with a shell case it must be hella overgassed. Probably because of the suppressor.

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>>42100225
I'd believe it, the range officer didn't really react but everyone else at the range was in utter disbelief
I think that range officer dislikes me, every time I come in he treats me like this is my first shot from my first rifle and he nannies me through everything. Getting harassed at the range is the #1 reason I stopped going.

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>>42100229

In all my years I think I can count the number of positive things I've heard about public shooting ranges on one hand. Rather makes me glad I've never had to put up with such things.

Here's my pinky.

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>>42100232
Unfortunately, the only rifle range within an hour is that one, and it's a half hour away, so it's that or pistols only
pistols ain't the main course

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>>42100234

For me there's umpteen million members only outdoor ranges, a couple public ranges, a few million acres of woods and no indoor ranges that I'm aware of.

Fun fact: I have never gone shooting at an indoor range. Never. I thought about going to Battlefield Vegas when I was there in '15 but decided I would blow way too much money if I did and since I was on a multi-week roadtrip with no real idea how much money I might need I decided against. I did loot an Army-Navy store in west Vegas though. Got some T-rations and MRE's. They were technically for the trip though.

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>>42100297
Turns out: indoor ranges suck. In the summer, they're extra hot! In the winter, they're extra cold! The air is crappy, despite the fans! They cost more!

The only outdoor range I've ever been to, despite their insane rules (like no rifle shooting from the standing position), was also the best.

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Gun Jesus finds a holy grail machine gun rarely seen in public and gets to shoot it. Don't blink.

Behold!
WW1 Villar Perosa SMG at the Range

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Gun Jesus is on a roll! Have an MP-40/I double magazine machine pistol!

The WW2 Double-Magazine MP40/I

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From German engineering, to terminal autism.

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Just when you think you've seen every Colt 1911 variant, another one pops up. Meet the Systema OBREGON. Pity only 800 of these were sold. There are some great features that should have been adopted.

Systema OBREGON: The Mexican Rotating-Barrel 1911

And here's a new video from Joerg Sprave!

The "Instant Ghengis Khan" Bow!

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>>42102428

Impressive! At least they're innovating. Previously all they've done is reverse-engineer experimental American and Soviet tech from the 50-90's, slap a shiny coat of paint on it and claim they've one-up everybody.

Now they've taken their rightful place alongside such technological powerhouses as Iran and Ghana!

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>>42102614
I just saw a Super Great White Shark try to fly over my house. It didn't make it.

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My friends heard that i've never held a gun before, so the're forcing me to go to the range with them soon.
I don't want to be a normie.
What do? Try and look cool, or be a bitch and stay safe?
Im afraid of guns!
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>>42103134
Listen to what they say and fallow their directions.
Keep the gun pointed downrange at all times, and keep your finger off the trigger.

They will probably start you off with a .22lr but just remember they dont make a gun that you cant handle.
Wouldn't be very marketable.

Err on the side of safe bitch haha.
If you have any questions, ask!

>Inb4 SW500 / Trex / whatever
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>>42103134
you'll be fine, dude

hell you may overcome this fear on top of that

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>>42103134
There's nothing really to be afraid of, especially at a range. They will ask you if you've ever handled a gun before and if you say no they're generally pretty good at making sure you don't fuck it up. Hell they'll even load the thing for you. All you have to do is make sure you keep it pointed down range and that's really all there is to it.

My suggestion: Fire a single round to get an idea of what the kick is going to be so you can prepare for it. It's kind of like diving into a pool. The first one is kind of scary but once you get used to it, you'll be fine. I just listen to the instructor and don't try to do anything fancy and you'll be fine. These guys are basically trained to handle people that have never used a gun before.

Whatever you do, don't try to act like a hotshot. The people at these places will have much more respect for you if you admit you know jack shit than if you act like a badass and then act like a complete fool. Don't act scared of the gun though, just listen to what they tell you and follow the rules.

PS: They may ask you what target you want from a display of targets on a wall. If you want to have some fun with them, say one number higher than the number of targets available (so of they have 23 different types, say number 24) and when they look confused just say, "Yeah, number 24. The Ninja."

It will probably take them a minute to get it but if they're good sports they should get a laugh out of it. That's what we did.

Note: I've only been to a gun range once and that was the only time I ever fired a real gun, so this is coming from someone who was in the same boat as you.
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>>42103209
Most ranges are not like that.
If its a private business, maybe, but probably not, if its a private club almost definitely not, and if its a state range 50/50.

I think dragoni might just be going with friends who will be showing the ropes. Thats my assumption anyway.

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>>42103149
Oh jeez those guns have insane recoil! Seems like a weapon firing by falling on the ground is just Hollywood garbage though.
I'm sure everything will be safe.
Ill definitely start with just 9mm pistols, and maybe my friends pump action shotgun.
>>42103154
>>42103149
That's the whole reason I'm going through with it! To face my fear!
Im pretty brave, and I've done more dangerous things, but I can't help but visualize the wounds that such a weapon can inflict on the body.
Part of me thinks its ghastly that such a device exists, but they are kinda cool and shooting paper targets won't hurt anything.
>>42103209
I now live where there's lots of rednecks and pretty much everyone has a gun, so Ill probably be in friendly territory.
That being said, Since I live down south, that "ninja" target might be lost on them. Ill ask for a target with big titties instead. That'll get em laughing.

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>>42103134

Everybody else has given you pretty solid advice so I'll just toss a wildcard in.

I introduced some kids to guns a few weeks back. They were still a bit smol to handle most any firearm without assistance so instead I put the bipod and the Blank Fire Adapter on my A4gery and let them blast away with that. Basically no recoil, not too loud and the powder fumes smell like pie apparently.

Probably not something you'll have the option to try unless you're going to a big range with rental guns or one of your friends is a weirdo in a similar vein to me and has hoarded such things but it is a thing.
Otherwise there's BB guns, .22's, reduced recoil ammo etc.

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>>42103134
Here are a few extra words of advice.

If these friends are really friends, be fucking honest about your reservations and fear of guns. If they don't support you positively and with full understanding of your state of mind, tell them to fuck off and find a range with teachers who know your state of mind. Learning how to shoot a gun isn't a time for jokes or risks of having something bad going wrong. I was trained by the book by people who knew guns and how to respect what they can do.

Since you most likely do not own a gun given what you've said so far, the best way to develop respect and confidence is to go slow. A crowded range isn't conductive to slow. Don't let people rush you.

The .22LR round is the best of rounds to learn with. Depending on the type of pistol or rifle you learn on, recoil isn't a real issue. It's the noise. People tend to freak out at the sound of gun fire. After the first 20 or so rounds, your brain will shift from the novelty of the explosive reports of the gun you're shooting and you can then move forward.

Don't concentrate so much on hitting any targets for the first few dozen rounds. Just focus on getting used to the way the gun reacts, keeping it pointed down range safely while you shoot and learning what to expect while you learn.

One trick I used to use when shooting larger caliber rifles and pistols was to only load 5 rounds, depending on the capacity of the specific gun. This will limit your ability to keep shooting and force you to stop and contemplate what you learned while you're reloading, which is another good thing to learn about shooting.

Good luck!

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So I'm back from my vacation to Disney world. We flew down this time and stayed at a Disney resort so I was rather limited in what I could take with me. So on the first night there we went to Medieval Times for dinner and I bought myself a nice shiny dagger. You know as a souvenir. Is made by Art Gladius of Toledo Spain. They make decorative swords, daggers and armour. This one is a variation of their Black Prince dagger with Medieval Times stamped on the blade. It is unsharpened 440 stainless with a brass hilt. It is mostly decorative but is not Bud-K tier trash either, you could totally sharpen it up and stab a fool with it.

Of course I also just happened to come home with just enough cash left over to get the new Cold Steel Italian Dueling Saber. Totally by accident of course and on looking around Spanish-swords.com I've found Art Gladius also makes a Spanish Civil Guard NCO saber which is quite handsome and has the Civil Guard coat of arms stamped on the hand guard which is a crowned sword and fasces and seems too amusingly trolltastic to pass up.

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>>42107142
I didnt know you could buy daggers at Disney. Glad yo hear your vacation went well.
You're the only person that collects bladed weapons i know that is worth talking to haha.

>>42103257
How did this go, anyway?

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>>42107161

Medieval Times is a dinner show in Kissimee, not affiliated with Disney. They also have other locations around the country. It's basically a tournament and joust. It's choreographed of course but they do put a fair bit of effort into the fighting and it's quite exciting to watch.

What surprised me was that the Disney meal plan also included alcohol. Here in PA alcohol in a theme park would be strictly verboten but of course in Florida you can get booze about anywhere and it's not unusual to see people wandering about Disney World with beer in hand.

I like knives, swords and such at least as much as guns. I blame 80's action movies.

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>>42107178
Bullshit, Busch gardens is in PA and its literally a beer themed theme park haha.
Also, Hershey had a bunch of Busch beer.
So dont give me none of that crap haha.

I always wanted to check out one of those shows, i know they exist, but I've never been to one. Closest I've been to is King Richards Fair in Massachusetts, which has a bunch of stuff like that, but its several acres big and lasts all day.

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>>42107187
Oh wait, its in Williamsburg VA.
But still, i got pretty sloshed as Hershey Park, and there was busch beer everywhere, i think it's the same owner.
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>>42107161
I've been broke because of my move, so we havent gone yet.
I did however pull the guy aside away from my instigator friend and told him about my serious anxiety that firearms give me.
We've met several times since to talk about the morality of guns, what its like to own one and his thoughts on them.

I think the phrase "People fear what they do not understand" is very true.
He let me handle his .40 SW M+P SHIELD every time we hung out.
My friend taught me about the safety switch, checking the chamber, locking/removing the slide. I've found getting that last round in the magazine takes some force!
I no longer get a massive adrenaline rush every time I see a gun now.
I still plan on conquering this fear of mine. Ill share my experience when I finally pull a trigger for realz.

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>>42107188

That must be a fairly recent development. I haven't been to Hershey Park in years but I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case before. Gas stations and grocery stores here only started carrying alcohol in the last couple years.

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>>42107194
Sounds like you've got a good friend to teach you then.
Yes, once you have education in a thing, and experience, it takes away that, as you said, fear of the unknown, then it just becomes just a thing.
I like to compare guns to toasters...
A toaster is a thing in your house that you use all the time and think nothing of, but if no one ever taught you how to handle it, and to NOT stick the fork in it to get your stuck waffle, it would be deadly. But, since you know how to use it safely, its no big deal. Same with the hair dryer next to the bathtub.

Glad to hear you have someone empathetic enough to walk you through it at your own pace, gun culture needs more of that imo.

Yes, please keep us updated!

>>42107196
This was in like 2009ish, went down for a Dave Matthews / Zac Brown concert.
Still cant buy beer at a gas station in this state, but there is no tax on hard liquor for some reason haha.

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>>42107194

>We've met several times since to talk about the morality of guns


The what now?

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>>42107219
The morality of firearms.
You know, their roll in society, their merits, flaws, benefits, limitations, positives and drawbacks and how it effects the world at large.
Its been quite a big conversation on the national stage lately, surely you caught a bit.
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>>42107221

Inanimate objects do not possess any sort of morality.

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>>42107222

>[Insert Jeff Cooper quote here.]

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>>42107229
When i said >>42107214
>Glad to hear you have someone empathetic enough to walk you through it at your own pace, gun culture needs more of that imo.
This is the kind of thing i mean.

Here is a person with no experience with firearms to the point where just seeing one in person makes them fearful, but who is willing to learn, to dip their toe into the culture and get over their fear and learn the reality of the situation.
But they said 1 thing that dosnt align perfectly with the slogan on the bud k tee shirt that came free in the box of truck nutz, so instead of being encouraging, or congratulating them on having the courage to leave their comfort zone, you just want to pick apart something they said so you can make a shallow "gun dont kill people, people kill people" talking point.

Give it a rest.
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>>42107233

It's great that they want to learn.

Addressing things like that is part of learning.

Asking for clarification on what he means is a way of starting that conversation and there is nothing wrong with it.
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>>42107234
Yes, and like i said, im glad they have an understanding friend willing to talk about that shit.
But i know you, and i know its more than just clarification, because you're smart enough to know exactly what they meant, you were just working your way to >>42107222

I dont believe for a second that you earnestly didnt understand what they meant.
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>>42107236

Socratic method.

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>>42107237
Stirring the shit pot.

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>>42107238

No, shit stirring implies there is no productive intention. I'm not here to put the guy down or make him feel stupid. Teaching by questioning is meant to help the student see they are perfectly capable of using their own reasoning to find the right conclusion.

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I have a strong belief that it is a two pronged endeavor, and neglecting the philosophical aspect while addressing the emotional is not sufficient. Better to tackle both at once.

Case in point, fudds.

No negative emotional reaction (typically), but philosophically wayward.
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>>42107239
Oh, im just going off all the heated arguments you've gotten into regarding this subject that end in screaming matches and both parties just throwing up their hands about it.

I didnt know it was methodical.

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Anyway, change of subject.
Anyone here own a Lew Horton special addition Smith & Wesson?

If so, hild onto it like gold, because they are going belly up.

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>>42107243

You've only seen my discuss this with the usual suspects.

This person I've never seen in my life.

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>>42107248
Im talking from my personal experience actually.
You've done it to me plenty, and im objectively "pro gun" but don't parrot every single talking point.
You've been less than kind in those situations.

Im serious about that Lew Horton thing though, i dont think its public knowledge yet, so if you see one for sale, grab it.

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A worn AK is still one of the most aesthetic guns in existence.

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>>42107251

Depends on what argument is being presented. Some are more harmful than good and should be aggressively rooted out.

I can't recall what you may have said to get that sort of response from me.

What's with the Lew Horton editions that makes them so special?
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>>42107252
I see your worn AK and raise you a case hardened Brigadier.

>>42107253
I've made a life of talking through shit with anti gun folks, and folks on the fence, and I've learned that respect for and a levelling with their point of view goes much farther than "aggressively rooting" their arguments.

Lew Horton is/was a national firearms distributor that had a very close working relationship with Smith & Wesson in the 70s 80s and 90s. They would request exclusive custom runs of guns, like a 3" 629 with ported barrels and the like. Stuff you couldnt get, even from S&W without going through Lew.
Lew knew what he was doing, knew what the customer wanted, and knew how to give it to them with some of the best service in the industry.
Then in the 2000s, Lew retired, their relationship with S&W went to shit, like, really bad blood, same with Beretta, they service went down hill, they didnt even have a website, and they did shit things like
being the first company to double the price of ARs and .22lr after sandy hook.

Recently they tried to regain their image by collaboration with Colt (who sucks btw) Remington (who sucks harder) Sig and Ruger (they're okay... I guess) but it was too little to late, and superficial exclusives couldnt fix the underlying customer service issues, a general fudd mentality and poor financial decisions.

and thats why i quit
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>>42107254

>case hardening


I'm picky with this.

>respect for and a levelling with their point of view goes much farther than "aggressively rooting" their arguments.


I've had the opposite experience. Treating it with any undue legitimacy only emboldens them. You don't have to be mean, but the ridiculousness should be exposed for what it is. It's how you find those who are sincere vs those who are bullshitting with you. A sincere person will accept the flaws of their position and adjust accordingly, those who aren't interested in good faith engagement will stick to their guns (pardon the pun) even in the face of the lunacy being exposed.

I've converted far more people on the fence with a simple trip to the range than by talking about it in any case. Experience gets people over their fear real fast and then the rest falls into place.

>being the first company to double the price of ARs and .22lr after sandy hook.


Fuck'em. Just like CTD.

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>>42107255
Yes, a trip to the range is the best way, but you dont always have the opportunity to do that.
I see it differently, but im also a professional in this regard. Ether way, do what you will, but i dont see your way of arguing for gun rights as particularly effective.

Yeah, they are basically the ones that set that whole thing into motion after that tragedy, they dont shoulder all the blame, but they definitely played a big part.
Thats why i was sceptical to work there in the first place, because i delt with them from the dealer end, but working for such a historic and important name in the industry was something i wanted to do, and i made some good connections, The New England firearms industry has always been described to me as "incestuous" and boy, thats and understatement haha, but i think im done with all that.
I was brought on to help change that image by putting the customer first, but i wasnt allowed to, so i quit. (That and i was the only person in sales that knew the industry beyond 1994, or at all)
I told them i didnt think they would last another year, and unfortunately i was right.
Im thankful to have had the conversations i had with the people that i did though.
Its cool to crack open a book about historic firearms and know i could invite the guy who wrote the forward out fly-fishing by sending a quick email haha.
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>>42107262

>i dont see your way of arguing for gun rights as particularly effective.


I used to be a salesman whose income was dependent on the ability to pick out those people who were going to be convinced and those who weren't, and then argue accordingly. I got real good at sniffing out the people who were open to what I was selling and those who weren't going to budge no matter what. The same principle applies here.

My time as an educator has taught me more patience with the initially less receptive, but you still can't reach everyone and those who aren't willing to think critically about their beliefs aren't going to be convinced anyway, so you might as well destroy their argument for others to see.

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>>42107270
Its less about reaching everyone and more about not being a dick about it.

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>>42107272

I disagree.

It is about reaching the most people possible because it is an issue that is, unfortunately, semi dependent on voter opinion, and if someone will not be convinced it really makes no sense to play nice since they will not play nice with you no matter what you do when it comes to this.

Fact is that people are swayed by spectacle and slam-dunking your interlocutors in grand fashion catches more eyes and minds than legitimizing nonsensical positions for the sake of courtesy that the other side most certainly will not show you.

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>>42107214
Yeah it definitely made me more confident. I think being shoved into a crowded gun range with no experience being forced to try something scary for my friends amusement would give me a panic attack.

Thats the thing, a toaster is made for making toast. A gun is made to severely maim or kill something.
You also cant use a toaster to force someone to do something at threat of their life. Robbing somebody
I don't think their is anything more life threatening with such ease. That's what scares me.

>>42107219
basically this >>42107221
>>42107222
>tldr guns dont kill people, people kill people
I think that's a better conversation for /ef/

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>>42107276

Might be, but this is the dedicated /k/ thread as it is.

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>>42107276
I just mean the danger posed to you, the user, when i make the comparison with the toaster.
To many people, its just another appliance in their house, akin to a fire extinguisher. Not a toy, but something kept in case of a life threatening emergency.
>I don't think their is anything more life threatening with such ease.
An automobile.
Though, not created with the explicit purpose, its a rather deadly thing to the user and the people around them that rarely gets the respect it deserves.

>>42107275
I think you only see firearms from your own personal perspective, and i dont think the standoffish way you argue in their favor is productive towards the goal of preserving a right, that i feel is one of the most important rights we have. Sincerely, i feel like it dose more to threaten that right than preserve it. I see it as gate keeping, and i think by not being able to put yourself in the shoes of the otherside of the conversation, your basically yelling at a kid who is scared of spiders to "quit being stupid" and not actually doing anything to quell that fear.
But thats just like, my opinion man.
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>>42107278

It doesn't become standoffish until the other side proves unreachable, typically by becoming condescending or unreasonable.

I understand people being skittish, I don't fault people for inexperience, I just don't play games with people who aren't going to argue in good faith.

I think that legitimizing anti positions is counterproductive and only fuels the "compromise" idea that is basically accepting death by a thousand cuts.

I think we're talking about two different people. I'm not really talking about people who are just scared of them, I'm talking about people who are just against them in general, afraid or not.
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>>42107279
It was standoffish the moment you entered the conversation just to pick out one sentence of a post about someone's experience overcoming their fear of firearms to ask "morality of guns, what does that mean?" when you know damn well what it means.
And thats fine, Socrates and all that, but really your just playing stupid so you can make your "inanimate object" talking point that literally everyone has heard a million times over.
Its basically akin to making twitter tier SJW arguments at this point, and it moves nothing forward.

You can make all the "cold dead hands" arguments you wish, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you have to enter into every conversation with it.
The gate keeping isnt helping, it hurting, and the million cuts can work both ways if you're smart about it and stop playing by the Charlton Heston rules of turning everyone off to firearms.

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>>42107276
>You also cant use a toaster to force someone to do something at threat of their life.
If said person is in the bathtub or a swimming pool then you can.

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>>42107280

>gate keeping isn't helping


Good thing I'm not gate keeping. I've turned people who never even thought about owning a gun into arsenal owners, so far from turning people off, it turns them on (giggity).

You do what works for you, I'll do what has consistently worked for me. We're on the same side and there's more than one way to skin a cat.
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>>42107283
Its just unfortunate "your way" has no application on an internet message board, and the way you use in this situation is the text equivalent to doing a wholeshot in your big diesel truck dumping black smoke out the pipes while waving a Gadsden imo.

Im not arguing that range time isnt effective, probably the most effective way tbh to educate someone in the reality of firearms, im just saying if you cant adapt your tactics to the situation where that isn't an option, and instead rely on dead talking points and leading questions to get to them, its not helpful.

But yes, we are on the same side, which is why im extra critical. Same reason people think im "right wing" when im more critical of the left, i have a vested interest in maintaining it.
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>>42107284

I don't rely on "dead talking points", I argue legal, moral, and historical precedent with people who oppose them on those terms.

I don't really have reason to argue with people who are just afraid to try it. If that fear pushes them into anti territory then we can talk about why they are afraid of these things, which isn't an argument. No issue with that on my end.

If someone comes in saying "Hey, I'm kind of scared of guns." I don't immediately just hit them with "SHALL." That would be stupid and it isn't what I do.

In THIS case, given the opportunity, it could have led to a moment of clarity as a reflective dialogue on his thought process was had and eventually came to a reasonable conclusion. Most of the time the journey to a conclusion on one's own terms is far more effective at turning on that lightbulb than just hearing someone say it.

That's what being a teacher has taught me. You can say something a thousand times and a person won't "get it" until they've mentally worked through it themselves.
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>>42107286
Agree to disagree.
We're just beating a dead horse at this point, and from my perspective, you're the person who is just afraid to try it, or doesn't want to listen.

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>>42107287

You know what they say about opinions.

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>>42107288
I do, thats why i said perspective.

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>>42107286
>"SHALL"
I mean the right says what it says

But agreed that you shouldn't go about it that way.

I feel like our liberties being flushed down the toilet is because of people just agreeing on "compromise".

Give up some liberty for some "security".

Been a talking point of this nation since day 1.

Like John Adams alien and sedation act.

Which we see today

I believe the constitution cannot be bended

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I feel like the vast majority of people arguing over "shall not infringe" or taking it from their cold dead hands have nothing worth fighting over or anything to really lose by it, just some hobby with a bizarrely extreme obsession with.

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>>42107315
It's a principle thing

Where is the line drawn where the government steps on you?

"Yes master" is not the way to go imo

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>>42107316
It's well beyond a matter of principle.

You don't think you'll need to defend yourself until the day comes like it did for this woman who had to fight off three men who were beating her husband in their home.

The right to self defense isn't up for discussion when it's your life on the line. There are hundreds of similar stories that never get coverage in the national press.

https://nypost.com/2019/11/04/pregnant-florida-mom-uses-ar-15-to-kill-home-intruder/

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>>42107286
i wanted to see if i still wanted to say this when i woke up, and it turns out, i do.
>I argue legal, moral, and historical precedent
>Moral
Morality of firearms? What even is that??
Im completely lost as to what you could possibly mean by this.

>>42107315
This >>42107324
To literally millions of people firearms arnt even a hobby, they are a tool, as I've said, akin to a fire extinguisher. Something they have, hope they never need, but very happy it was there when they did.
Don't get me wrong, everything i said about pro gun folks making the same tired talking points goes double for the other side, only the other side argues from a position of 0 practical knowledge, and just as much refusal to put themselves in the shoes of others.
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>>42107279
If it makes you feel better, as afraid of guns that I am, I am 100% for guns.
>>42107315
>>42107313
>>42107279
I think its an important right for people to have.
If only my government has access to guns, whats stopping them from declaring martial law and enslaving us all. If your going to have something like guns on the table, its fucked if its one sided.
If both parties have firearms, its a balance of power. Crazy people with malicious intent are kept in check by responsible gun owners. I heard a story where someone tried to shoot up an event center, but was stopped by someone with a conceal carry. Unfortunately these success stories aren't what media wants you to hear.
>>42107278
Since we are both professional drivers Mk, we've definitely have had it hit over our heads the dangers of vehicles. And its true, people don't often ponder the severity and danger of a vehicle since its just an everyday tool. Like all tools, training and familiarity help with safe operation. They wont let some casual behind the wheel of a Big Rig truck. But some noob could go buy a gun right?
I still think guns are more lethal than a vehicle imo.
You cant sneak a truck into a crowded place.
Its easier to dodge a speeding vehicle than a speeding bullet.
And further more, vehicles are confined to roads, when you could bring a gun anywhere.
Doesn't that make them more dangerous?
>>42107281
I don't think I would be as scared being held at "toaster point" lol
But what if you brought your gun to the bathtub? Do gun nuts do that?

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>>42107543
>They wont let some casual behind the wheel of a Big Rig truck.

You say that but there are some objective retards hopping into Kenworths and driving off cliffs or through somebody's living room.

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>>42107324
>>42107543
Agreed. I always thought when it came to law we base what the law says

"Shall not be infringed" is as straight forward as possible

In fact almost every law written is written this way

But whatever, I'm over trying to argue for liberty because it feels pointless these days

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>>42107543
Im not sure it makes them more dangerous, i suppose it depends on how you look at it.
Strictly by the numbers, cars account for more fatalities than firearms in the US, just drunk driving fatalities are about on par with firearms deaths. You say "they wont let anyone drive a big rig" but im in the middle of CDL training right now, and i have to say, its pretty much a joke. Also, if you want to measure it by intent, then yes, firearms for sure account for more intentional death than automobiles, but, a vast VAST majority of that is suicide, which i think is its own unique problem, that is separate from simply the tool being used to achieve the goal.
So the "danger" of each can be viewed through many lenses.
But, you are right, education is critical in each instance. Its a touchy subject, because one can make the argument that you need a license to drive, which proves you have at least some minimum amount of training and education, and the other side of the argument is that its a right, not a privilege, and putting a barrier in the way of someone exercising a right is philosophically opposed, and can set a bad precedent. Both arguments have merit, but both counter arguments do as well.
I would say a solution that works would to have basic firearms safety be a part of the standard 1st 4th and 7th grade and freshman and sophomore highschool health curriculum, there by you can be sure that a vast majority of citizens will have had at least a basic level of understanding and education, without setting a barrier to adults who want to exercise a right, or keeping a documented list of potential firearms owners.

>>42107560
>through somebody's living room.
This literally happened to me at my last apartment.
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>>42107543

I've never had an issue with you, I just wanted to talk.

That you're actively trying to overcome your personal fear already puts you light-years ahead of antis.

>If only my government has access to guns, whats stopping them from declaring martial law and enslaving us all. If your going to have something like guns on the table, its fucked if its one sided.


There, see? You understand. You and I will never have reason to argue about this because we already agree.

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>>42107543
>If only my government has access to guns, whats stopping them from declaring martial law and enslaving us all.

Disclaimer: I am not arguing for gun control or against gun ownership.

What's stopping them is a reason to. What exactly would the American government gain from doing this? The nation is basically already pacified by Facebook, Instagram and Netflix. Why on Earth would ANYONE think it's a good idea to take this stable, passive money generating pile of consumers and upend the whole thing by becoming a totalitarian dictatorship? You're basically throwing your entire economy in the trash, and causing the perfect conditions for a violent uprising against you. You would have to be the absolute dumbest person on the fucking planet to think doing this would be a good idea. You are essentially taking a baseball bat to a machine that prints money. How fucking retarded would you have to be to do that?

Holy shit.

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>>42107619

If they stand to make more money at the expense of the rights of the people, they want to do it.

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>>42107622
They don't though. Not to that extent. It would cost more to run an authoritarian government than it would to do what we're doing right now.

The government is incompetent, greedy and immoral, but they aren't just evil for the sake of being evil. There is nothing to be gained from that.

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>>42107627

Bottom line, if they CAN further restrict freedom without it impacting their bottom line, they will. And that is enough to resist absolutely every attempt they make as it is all tainted at that point.

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>>42107560
Well there are retards everywhere, and screening large masses isn't easy.
One would think if the're pursing a job driving a truck, they could handle it.
One would think if the're purchasing a gun, they know how to use it.
How can I trust everyone that has a gun to only use it for defense?
I can't. But I guess it's the same thing with truck drivers.
>>42107562
I've spent my whole life ignoring that issue, but I've thought about it alot recently.
These laws were written in a different time period and revisions are necessary to keep up with times/ Like big companies ownership of YOUR personal information.
Laws made years ago couldn't have predicted the large increase in use of cell phones/online media present today. The right to own a gun was made in a different, less populated time.
But fuck that, the U.S. government is slowly nudging in on taking guns away.
I feel like stories of mass shootings are being spread to influence us to accept and submit to loss of gun ownership. Nobody heard the story of the guy who stopped a shooter with his own gun. I didn't. Just the bad stuff.
>>42107573
It is a touchy subject, and I don't really know much about it. Hearing I'm more likely to be killed in an auto accident than by a gun makes me feel better for some reason.
If someone really wanted to do harm to people or themselves, they would find a way. With or without a gun. Same thing with suicide.
I just have a hard time accepting how a gun would make it SO EASY however. I hate that its so easy. With the press of a button!
Anything else would need some setup or finding yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Like barreling a truck into your living room. Sure getting a gun could be easy too, but its so instant.

I feel extremely uneasy that anyone with a gun can end someones life so easily. What gives you the right to decide that? Ya know?
As a truck driver, its my job to safely operate the vehicle, and I'm trusted to keep everyone safe. Is that the same with owning a gun?

>>42107591
Cool, Im glad we're in agreement!
Im not really afraid of anything except guns to my knowledge. Heights, dogs, snakes, spiders, dark web shit. Nothing really bothered me.
I grew up away from guns my entire life, and didn't realize until recently how much they bother me. I legit am freaked out by them and I don't quite understand why.
I have a question(s) for you.
Whenever I met someone that didn't know how to swim, I always was annoyed and lost respect for them.
How could they just let their fear control their life? Why would they go on through their life just accepting that?
Allowing themselves to be vulnerable to water?

Do you feel similarly about someone anti gun, the way I feel about people that can't swim? Have people come into your gun store on the fence about guns in the 1st place?
>>42107619
That is a very fair point, and it probably will never happen. When talking about guns, people tend to use a lot of hypotheticals.
However,
If it somehow became profitable for the government to do that, they would do it.
Something like rounding us all up and using us as slave labor to construct a mega city or something. Removing people from rural areas and crowding them into cities.
Now before you call me out as that sounding completely stupid, please understand that that would be a gradual thing. You said it yourself.
>The nation is basically already pacified by Facebook, Instagram and Netflix.
I believe the government is slowly conditioning us to rely on them 100%.
If we allow ourselves to rely on our government AND gave up our gun ownership, we, the citizens would be powerless.
That can't happen, and its important to think about how decisions made today affect the future.

>You would have to be the absolute dumbest person to think doing this would be a good idea.

Im pretty sure the "absolute dumbest person on the fucking planet" would be involved in the government decision making.

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>>42107628
>Bottom line, if they CAN further restrict freedom without it impacting their bottom line, they will

Nah. If it doesn't make a difference they won't care either way. If it increases their bottom line, sure. However they're not just sitting around seeing how many rights they can restrict before it starts costing them money.

That would just be dumb.

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>>42107629
>Something like rounding us all up and using us as slave labor to construct a mega city or something. Removing people from rural areas and crowding them into cities.
>Now before you call me out as that sounding completely stupid, please understand that that would be a gradual thing. You said it yourself.

That model just doesn't work. That's basically the model North Korea operates on and they are the least functional nation on the planet. 98% of their population is vegetarian by choice because meat is too rare to he available every day. They have nearly deforested every inch of their nation.

It's a non-sustainable system. Even for the leader of the country, who is the only one that benefits from it. The average upperclass American citizen enjoys more luxuries than the leader of North Korea.

Even IF you make it so you are the only one benefiting from the system, it's such a shitty system that your quality of life will drop just because the maximum quality of life will drop as well.

There is literally no benefit from trying to operate a country this way. A small or even large business? Sure. Absolutely. Free labor is just extra profit. A government though? No. Doesn't work.

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>>42107629

>I grew up away from guns my entire life, and didn't realize until recently how much they bother me. I legit am freaked out by them and I don't quite understand why.


That is entirely understandable. They are dangerous, and that is why it is so important to take their use and handling seriously because irresponsibility can lead to people dying. That said, you seem to be coming to the realization that, when handled responsibly, they really aren't anything to be afraid of.

Respect for their power is good and should always be at the forefront to make sure people act right when handling them.

>How could they just let their fear control their life? Why would they go on through their life just accepting that?


Well, swimming is a bit different. I live near water and always have so swimming is basically a given for people around here. I can understand if more urbanized people don't learn how because they never encounter it necessarily. I think they SHOULD learn and get over the fear, just like people who are afraid of guns, but at the end of the day it's their choice. Just don't tell anyone else they can't swim.

>>42107630

It makes their future endeavors easier.
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>>42107632
>It makes their future endeavors easier.

Not always. Also, a lot of these more wacky restrictions on rights aren't even about profit. It's usually some activist group trying to push an agenda and being willing to pay to have government officials support them.

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>>42107636

The game is to get the people to give their rights away willingly. If the powers that be can socially engineer a society that doesn't value its own civil rights over consumerism, they don't have to "take" anything, the sheep will just hand it over themselves.

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>>42107638
Exactly. Which means they won't HAVE to use force. So gun ownership becomes a non-issue for them. If anything it's a placebo for citizens being able to think, "Yeah. I still have my guns, the government better be scared of me. I'm gonna defend my rights!" and the government just being like, "Uh. Yeah. Sure. Absolutely terrified."

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>>42107641

The thing is, the government is afraid of those who will not give them up, hence why they try so hard to disarm everyone. It doesn't take many dissenters to cause trouble for them and their "flock".

So it isn't an example like you're saying where they are letting people delude themselves with a security blanket, they KNOW how dangerous an armed citizenry is to tyranny, they're just hoping nobody calls their bluff.

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Anyone who thinks the hootenanny would be some kind of declared war with front lines and media coverage is watching too many movies.

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>>42107644

I like describing it as a fucked up 21st century musket line.

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>>42107642
The thing is an armed public isn't the lynch pin holding back a wave of tyranny. It's the fact that tyranny is just not as profitable as our current system so there is no reason to even bother.

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>>42107646

>The thing is an armed public isn't the lynch pin holding back a wave of tyranny.


Not on its own, but it plays a much greater role than you give it credit for.

Not pissing off millions of heavily armed people is absolutely a consideration when it comes to government policy.

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>>42107647
I think they're more concerned with not pissing off the people that are giving them money.

There is a reason why the people in charge are the ones with the most money, not the ones with the most guns.
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>>42107648

If you don't think that it is a concern you're kidding yourself. Even if they believed they could easily suppress an armed uprising of any sort, they would much rather avoid the cost in time, resources, and lives, and so will not go balls deep as if the threat of getting clapped back didn't exist.

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>>42107645
Boogaloo was fun for a while.
Hootenanny is what im going with lately though.

But seriously, im sick of both sides framing it like it woupd be some on / off switch war with front lines that could be won or lost.
No one would even know its happening unless it was happening in their neighborhood.

Thats why the whole "cha gonna do bout tanks and nukes" thing is silly. They would never even be in play in such a divided nation.

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>>42107650

>Thats why the whole "cha gonna do bout tanks and nukes" thing is silly. They would never even be in play in such a divided nation.


I've been saying this for literal years.

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>>42107650
>No one would even know its happening unless it was happening in their neighborhood.

Explain to me how this would work, because that makes no sense.

As long as the legal system is still functional you can't use your guns to defend yourself from the government anyway because even if you shot a few officers trying to raid your home you would just be brought in and tried for murder anyway.

So what exactly is your plan here?
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>>42107651
Thats why i laugh at people who "gear up" for it. Its like, what are you expecting?

>>42107652
It will always be a slow moving thing. Especially in this nation, no one has anything to rally around, ether the left is in power, and half the country is defending the government while the other half exaggerates its evil, or vice versa.
Guns are most valuable to protect minorities, the people no one gives a shit about that could be picked off.
Guns defend you from your government at the front door, not in some imaginary classically framed war, the only time private people would be involved is in maybe small skirmishes like the bundy ranch, or if there is a foreign invasion, or state session.
The government would never take the risk of 1st party action for the exact reasons you stated here >>42107619
But they would hire/inspire goons to take care of people who they dont like, such was the case in the south when the KKK and the police were pretty much one in the same. They didnt wear badges to the lynchings, they wore badges when they "investigated" their own crimes.

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>>42107653
>Guns defend you from your government at the front door

Then they try you for murder.

So what exactly are you accomplishing here? That's what I don't get. Sure. You stopped a home invader sent by the government. You think they're just going to be, "Oh man, we got a badass over here. Better not fuck with them."? No. They'll wait for you to leave the fucking house, pull you over on the way to work and take you in. You're not going to win that, even if you manage to shoot a couple dudes trying to enter your house.

If it's just someone trying to rob you or whatever, sure. You'll be able to use a self-defense plea. If the GOVERNMENT sent someone in to get you, they're going to get you eventually. You're not going to win, regardless of how many guns are in your home.

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>>42107653

Gray man approach > tactikiddies

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>>42107655

>You're not going to win


If things are in such a shitty state as a boogaloo implies, they're not going to have the time to waste.

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>>42107657
Is this a secret war or not? You can't just flip flop when it's convenient.

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>>42107655
I feel like you skipped over this whole part of my post.
>But they would hire/inspire goons to take care of people who they dont like, such was the case in the south when the KKK and the police were pretty much one in the same. They didnt wear badges to the lynchings, they wore badges when they "investigated" their own crimes.
Or else you wouldnt be asking that question.

>>42107656
Exzzazly.
Thats why i also thought it was funny that anyone saw beto as a threat, and wasnt surprised to see the dems turn their back on him so publicly.
They dont want door to door confiscation, and they know damn well no one will turn them in, what they want is for people to be scared that one day they will be found out, scared to talk to other people, not be willing to take the risk of going out and learning to use it, not having it ready to use when needed.
To terrorize.

The other thing is, and why, while ill defend the right tooth and nail, the AR15 isnt the end all be all of firearms so i wouldnt "panic" if/when they are banned, i defend the AR to protect the bolt guns, because once they get those "assault weapons" off the streets (except for all the cops who have them in their trunk) they will go for the "sniper rifles".

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>>42107659
I'm asking you the question and you've answered it in a way that doesn't support your view.

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>>42107658

Insurgencies ideally blend in. Like Mk17 said, it would never be open warfare because that's the only type of fight that plays to their strengths.

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>>42107662
Again, if the legal system is still operational, you're fucked. That's just how it is. The only way for you to succeed is if the entire thing falls apart. So again, tell me. What exactly are you going to accomplish? How does having a gun protect you if you die regardless of whether you use it or not?

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>>42107664

>Again, if the legal system is still operational, you're fucked.


Big if. And that's assuming you won't just disappear or they know it was you. Your scenario necessitates they know to come to YOUR house already. As exemplified in Afghanaland, it's really fucking hard to find small groups of people in even a small country.

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>>42107660
"Da gubberment" isnt necessarily going to be, and is unlikely to be, uniformed federal agents conducting a "mission" and is historically, in all part of the world, people in street clothes that simply know they have the permission to do something to you, and who wont be traced back if they fuck up.

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>>42107666
Okay, so you're talking about being a wanted fugitive, not just someone who's trying to live their life like a normal person.

Also, how is that a big if? You're talking about a 'war' that is going on without everyone noticing. If the legal system collapses I think people are going to fucking notice.

>>42107667
Yes. And if you shoot them, what happens next?

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>>42107669

I'm talking about a transient resistance that can blend in with the rest of the population very easily.

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>>42107670
That is apparently immune to retaliation if they fucking shoot somebody. I get the resistance part. I get the blending in part. I don't get the part where actually USING a firearm does not immediately get you fucked.
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>>42107671

Lots of shootings go without ever having the shooter identified.

It's about picking the right time and place to take your shots (figuratively and literally). Scalple as opposed to a hammer.

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>>42107672
Okay. But you are using it to defend against government incursion. If they are incursioning (I know that's not a word) then I'm pretty sure they know who the fuck you are and where the fuck you are, since like, they are actually attacking you.

Like, even if they get some goons to do it for them, if fucking Jethro comes back in a pine casket, people are going to be like, "Okay, fuck that guy."
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>>42107669
A routine breaking and entering or mugging investigation will be conducted and the person will be just some "street thug".
And in some cases, that will be totally true, look at how the CeyeA has subverted / overthrown foreign governments. They dont send a bunch of people with American flags to do it, they send "some guy" to aid some groups, sometimes a bunch of groups, pit people against each other and capitalize on the chaos.
Kinda like the whole antifa / proud boys thing. You dont use people who would leave a paper trail, you use helpful idiots.
The internet has a lot of those.

And in the aforementioned case of the kkk and the police, its not always some national conspiracy, sometimes its just your local government and an isolated thing. If your small town police department has a bunch of people who hate "dem tranny's" and tell Jasper that they will just happen to all be busy Tuesday night between 8 and 10pm... You still need to protect yourself.

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>>42107674
That's not a war. Or defense against the government though.

That's just normal self-defense against idiots.

The thing is when you guys talk about the second amendment and your right to defend yourself against the government, people think you're actually talking about defending yourself against the GOVERNMENT. Not a bunch of morons that watch too much goddamn FOX news.

At that point you're not actually fighting the government, you're basically just fighting an opiated populous that is high on misinformation instead of drugs.

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>>42107675
You dont think defending yourself against a person who the police gave a *wink wink we wont get in the way* isn't defending against the government?

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>>42107675

No, you just aren't familiar with how the government actually does its shady shit.

Not being in an open war on a battlefield doesn't mean a war is not being fought.

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>>42107676
No? Why would it be?

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>>42107677
Oh, I'm well aware. If they want you dead they don't send some goon to come to your door and cap you. You end up in a ditch somewhere because your brakes failed, or your house had an 'unexpected gas leak' that left 3 people dead.

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>>42107678
Because its sanctioned by them.

>>42107677
Everyone thinks "war" and they imagine WWII.

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>>42107681
>Because its sanctioned by them.
Not really. It's just some personal gripe by some people in the local police force. It doesn't go all the way up to the upper echelons of government. That's like saying getting into a fight with the greeter at Walmart means the entire capitalist system is conspiring to destroy you.

>Everyone thinks "war" and they imagine WWII.


More like the civil war, tbh. Only with other countries taking advantage of the chaos because now they have jets.

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>>42107684
>It doesn't go all the way up to the upper echelons of government.
So?
Who set that standard?

Even if it's just some deranged DMV clerk that started a fight at your kids soccer game abusing their position to look up where you live and come to your house with a crowbar, its still defending against government power.

Thats why i say you watch too many movies, because your expecting some Jason Borne shit, when thats hardly the case.

Edit:
If your picturing the civil war, that means states would be involved, and that would be government on government war, and they would both have tanks and jets.
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>>42107686
Okay, so wait.

When you say "government" you really just mean "Anyone who happens to work in a government position." even if it's like... a mail man?

Cause that puts a whole new take on this entire conversation.

Also I don't think that's what the founding fathers were talking about when the wrote the second amendment.
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>>42107687
Yes, of course.
You trust the government, and all the people who work for it to have power over you on the sole agreement that they super pinky swear not to abuse it in any one of the thousands of ways they could.
Firearms defend you if they want to abuse it in a violent manner, but you also have other amendments to protect you against their power in other situations, its up to you to use the right one at the right time.

Government tries to repo your house unjustly, you use the 1st, government says "get on the train jew" you use the 2nd.
Not every right is applicable in every situation, but they are all important, even if it just one random government worker with a grudge.
Thats the foundation of this nation, that the government and the governed retain equal footing, and that they are one in the same.
For the people by the people.
Citizens are a branch of government.
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>>42107690
Okay but that just seems.... kind of a silly way to define it.

Like, what really is the difference between a DMV operator getting your info from their job to use it against you and say... someone from a credit card company getting your home address from their job to use it against you?

It's basically the same thing, only one happens to work for the government. I wouldn't say that's 'defending yourself from the government' because that person is acting alone, without the approval of the government or on their behalf at any way.

That just seems like a very silly and arbitrary way to define things.

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>>42107694
Well, i hardly every frame my arguments in the "to fight the government" way, you brought it up, so i made a case for that specific situation.
In my mind its to protect you from anyone who wishes to threaten your life for any reason, government or otherwise.

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>>42107629
Sorry, i missed this.
You're 100% right, but pressing a trigger in anger and pressing an accelerator in anger produce the same result with the same amount of effort.
Swing a hammer, or thrusting a knife, even easier.
I get what you are saying, but it really isnt that easy to be effective with a firearm, as easy as you're implying.
You might find that out at the range. Ill be curious to find out what your thoughts are, and if you have different feelings, after gaining some practical knowledge and experience.

If it makes you feel any better, mortality rates of gunshot victims is normally <30% which means most people survive. Don't you think you could be more effective with a 30k lb object moving 50mph?
So whats really more dangerous. It more a matter of what the intent of the person with the object is, than the object itself. Though, like i agreed earlier, its easy to be more afraid of the firearm, because killing is it design intent, even though the truck would probably be more effective, its not it primary purpose.

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>>42107632
Yeah, I understand their seriousness. I'm at the point now training myself to be constantly aware of where the barrel is pointed at all times.
>>42107726
Thanks,
Explaining it that way does make me feel better actually. I was under the impression any round taken is absolutely lethal.
It would be easier to survive a single gunshot wound than getting slammed by a massive truck.
I don't really know about the mortality rates of getting shot, but 30% seems pretty low.
And obviously the severity would increase with larger caliber rounds or HP.
I'd assume most people have pistols as their only weapon unless they are some gun aficionado.
I'll be sure to share my experience!

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>>42107726
A pencil might be more than 30% lethal if used well but won't contain any real lead.

The options you listed both have lead. Cheating

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>>42107732
Lethality should depend on hit points, yes.

Wait you meant hollow point.

First time at range? Omigosh have a great time.

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>>42107732
It is very dependent on the ammunition being used, and the location of the wound.
But on average, pistol and intermediate cartrage (ar15) wounds have about a 15-20% mortality rate (about the same as knives), rifle cartridges (full size) about a 30-40% and shotguns (with slugs or buckshot) around 70%.
Mass x velocity = energy on target so a pistol round, which is normally heavy and slow, vs a .223 out of an ar15 which is light and fast, have about the same total energy on target. Which is why defensive training courses focus on using multiple shots, because its highly unlikely (though not impossible) you would be able to stop an attacker with just one round.
Other factors too, such as hollow point (really holding back a hit points joke from when you said "HP") and bullet yaw also come into play and can increase the energy potential to the target by limiting penetration.

At the basic level, you are just throwing a rock really fast.

That all being said, the biggest variable in the equation is skill with the firearm, and how you deal with fight/flight/freeze reactions under stress.
A round directly to the head or heart would see a higher mortality rate, but are relatively small targets and not very likely to be hit. Bullets aren't laser beams, they travel in an arch, and changes in distance, flinches do to recoil, small changes in sight angles, and gravity all cause divergence in where your bullet will actually end up, and misses are far more likely than hits. Most people cant just pick up a gun and press the trigger without moving the gun enough to throw it off target, even trained people. (So when you go to the range, remember slow and smooth on the trigger, like the accelerator on a car.)
So, pulling off a well placed shot under stress is hard.
Its not as easy as it looks when using hit scan guns in games, which do act as laser beams.
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>>42107732

Barrel sweeping is a huge no-no. It's good that you're working on it.

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>>42107732

Small arm projectiles are very small. We gun nerds like to bicker endlessly about which caliber is best. But pretty much every pistol caliber is less than half the diameter of a dime. Rifle bullets tend to be even smaller, though their greater velocity more compensates for that. A 12 gauge slug is roughly dime diameter. Take a dime and stick it up against yourself, anywhere will do. Obviously you are quite a bit larger than a dime and the majority of you is just flesh and bone. The only guaranteed kill occurs with the destruction of the central nervous system, specifically the medula which is roughly walnut-sized and situated approx. behind the nose and between the ears. A very difficult shot to make. Destruction of the heart comes second. Having butchered many deer I can tell you that a rifle bullet to the heart will caused the organ to burst like an overripe melon but even then it may run a hundred yards before collapsing. Death can also occur from shock and blood loss but this can take quite a long time to occur. Finally there is the "psychological stop" some people when shot will just fall down immediately even if not mortally wounded. Some people will tout this as being proof of "stopping power." But that's nonsense. A bullet passing close to the spine/CNS may cause them to collapse monetarily as the shockwave temporarily interrupts singles to the brain so that they either go rigid like a fainting goat or collapse like a puppet who's strings have been cut. Once the effect passes though they often "spring back to life" and either continue the fight or go running off. Other people will keep going so long as they have any life left in them at all despite grievous and even mortal wounds. Adrenaline is a hell of drug and humans are surprisingly hardy creatures. Go and read some Congressional Medal of Honor citations and you'll find dudes shot and wounded multiple times and fighting on. One dude, a PBR captain in Vietnam had a sizable portion of his skull blown away by a 23mm AA gun and completely failed to notice. Slapping away his medic's attempts to bandage him up because he was busying on the radio calling for support and didn't care to be interrupted.
There's also been more than a few case of people attempting to commit suicide by sticking shotgun under their chin which blew the entirety of their face off but left them wholly and horribly alive. The shot following the path of least resistance up the outer surface of the skull and carving away the mandible and flesh in the process.

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>>42107732

I didn't see the rest of your question, my mistake.

I don't lose respect for people who choose not to get over their fear, only if they use that fear as an excuse to try and curb rights.

People come into places like gun stores and gun shows very uneasy all the time. Most people buying their first gun usually are. Mk is right right that gun culture does have an unfortunately strong "gate-keeper" mentality and newcomers get scared off a lot. Finding someone who is understanding of apprehensions one may have is so important.

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I shot my worst match in fucking years tonight.
Im a little sick, but that shouldnt bring my groups from a <quarter to like... 5".

Im wondering if after 100k+ rounds, my barrel might be burned out.

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>>42107851

Try some of that foaming lead/copper solvent. Might be bad ammo too. Have you switched brands or anything?

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>>42107854
Yeah, thats my plan. I have some hoppes lead and copper solvent at home, so ill let it soak for a while.
Its a MKIII which has very shallow rifling to begin with.
I used some different ammo once, last week, 30 rounds, but i was having the same problem then. It was some Czech stuff, might have been softer lead and filled in what little was there.
Ether way, this is going to fuck up my average quite a bit.

Maybe its time to contact Volquartzen.

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Milled or stamped AK's

Which is better

Stamped imo

Lighter too

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>>42107962
Stamped is better logistically, and just as good mechanically, so stamped.

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>>42107975
Agreed there

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>>42107962

Stamped is objectively better, but milled is sexy so

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>>42107996
Ah the type 56

Always thought those were stamped

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>>42107998

Not always.

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>>42107771
I'll be able to have some fun now that I've familiarized myself with an empty gun.
Plus I've practiced loading a clip multiple times so I don't look clueless at the range.
>>42107790
Video games taught me if you'd get into a gunfight, you'd probably want to have full HP. I wouldn't expect a game to emulate how it really is tho.
But in all seriousness, Its good to know you have a fighting chance. Especially if enemy person is inexperienced.
Ill see if i can pull off multiple shots in succession at the range without flinching.
>>42107816
If I do it again Im gonna get decked in the face by somebody.
>>42107839
Is this why they tell police officers if they are going to shoot, shoot to kill? Ensuring your target is down? With bullets flying around, It could be difficult to predict what people will do and keep awareness. Especially in combat with trained soldiers.
People springing to life, tanking shots and keeping an iron will.
You gotta be pretty tough to handle situations like that,
That seems hard to train for.
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>>42108322
>Plus I've practiced loading a clip multiple times
>clip

BRACE FOR IMPACT

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>>42108323
Easy mistake for folks

People only get annoyed at those who sit on a high horse and propose regulations on mags

If he said "we should ban high capacity clips" then I could see people being outraged

But he is not

He wants to learn which is respectful

PLUS "clips" are a real thing if you're firing an M1garand
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>>42108323
Exposed for not saying magazine?

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>>42108325
What you do with your shells is your own business.

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>>42108322
Thats not to say that getting hit with a pebble traveling faster than the speed of sound wouldn't absolutely ruin your day though.
Thats kind of the doctrine behind the 5.56mm round that the US military uses. They arnt super effective, as in particularly deadly, but logistically they are perfect. They are small and light, which means you can fit more in a box, more boxes in a crate, more crates on a truck, ect. The individual can carry more, which means they can throw more rocks than you if your using something bigger, and since the vast majority of rounds fired are misses, its better to have more chances that are less effective than less chances with something more effective.
Also, they are not undeadly ether, so still no one wants to be hit by one, so they are good at keeping heads down until morally ambiguous death fire can rain from above via drone or helicopter or something.

Thats why it kills me when i hear people say the AR15 shoots a particularly deadly cartridge, when really, it shoots a relatively inert cartridge that just happens to ballence a spreadsheet real nice.
This is why for hunting, that cartridge is normally deemed too underpowered to use for anything larger than a coyote by environmental regulatory agencies.

>>42108323
I load clips all the time, it makes it easier to load my magazines.

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Florida county first in state to enact 'Second Amendment Sanctuary' in support of gun rights!!!

What say you, Mikie?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-county-second-amendment-sanctuary-gun-rights

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>>42108376
I say good for them.

These bullshit unconstituinal gun control measures aren't good.

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>>42108376
My town did this last year.

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>>42108333

Yeah, 5.56 isn't particularly deadly but it is pretty dang ol' deadly. Especially out of a long barrel. You get greater terminal effect out doubling velocity as opposed to doubling mass in a projectile. The great weakness of 5.56 though is that you need sufficient case capacity to get that velocity and in order to get that you need a bottleneck cartridge and by introducing a literal bottleneck into the design you end up needing a long barrel in order to get that velocity. Which is all well and good so long as you stick with that long barrel. Start going with carbine and pistol length barrels though and you start experiencing diminishing returns quite quickly.

http://www.mlefiaa.org/files/ERPR/Terminal_Ballistic_Performance.pdf

Personally I prefer the .243 for deer hunting but .223 is perfectly adequate so long as you're using a good cartridge and can hit what you're aiming at.

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>>42108405
Yeah, that's why short barrel rifle laws are pointless in a world where handguns exist anyway.

I'm not saying at all that the 5.56 isn't deadly, and that it couldn't take a deer, hell, a .22lr can take a deer just fine if you know what you're doing, ask a poacher, but it's not considered to be a good or legal choice in a lot of places because you can't expect most hunters to actually understand the limitations, and you just end up with more wounded deer.
Likewise, it's cirtainly deadly enough for the army's needs, but it's still a logistical choice because if terminal ballistics were there main consideration, we would still be using a 7.62, likewise so would Russia.
You are right about barrel length though, which is why the Marines still carry M16s when everyone else has M4s.
Once you go 20" you never go back.

My point is that it by no means has the magical properties attributed to it in the national debate.


.243 is a cartridge i would really like to get into tbh.
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Got this yesterday, took it out today. One ragged hole at 25 yards, think that's p gud.

>>42108322

Yes, people tend to react strongly to it.

>>42108323

Nah, not this time.

>>42108333

5.56 is pretty damn effective if it works like it is supposed to.

>>42108405

Longboi best boi

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>>42108440
Again
>>42108431
>My point is that it by no means has the magical properties attributed to it in the national debate.

And again ill ask what is the make of that m1?

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>>42108442

Inland, the old kind not the new kind.

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>>42108443
Inlands are very nice.
Im looking out for a Quality Hardware.

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>>42108457

I really wanted one in a WW2 configuration but this is fine

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>>42108462
Its a shame .30 carbine is drying up slightly. Before the ar got popular, the m1 was the go-to handi rifle of the masses.
Have you taken it to the range yet?

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>>42108466

I did today. I only shot it at 25 yards to try for a 25-100 yard zero, but it grouped very well.

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>>42108473
They shoot smooth, like buttery goodness.
My CX4 reminds me of a modern m1 carbine, if only it shot .357sig or something.
A camp carbine in .44mag i guess would be a closer comparison.

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>>42108482

I've always seen .30 carbine compared to .357 magnum

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>>42108484
Maybe ballistically, but the .44 carbine has the same feel when shooting imo. More of a thump than a .357.

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>>42108431

.243 is lovely. Somebody made some FALs in .243 a few years back. Don't know if they're still a thing but I had considered getting one. My Remington 722 is my favorite durr gun.

There's also .22-250 if you wanted to go hotter still.

>>42108484

About the same as .357 yeah. It is technically an intermediate rifle cartridge(7.62x33mm) but because it's so weak it's really stuck in it's own niche.
It's a real shame the 5.7mm Johnson Spitfire carbine didn't take off.

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>>42108492
Who would have guessed someone would have found a way to bubba an FAL haha. Pretty neat though, and tbh, closer to the original design, so credit for that.

My savage 220 is my dedicated bambi bamboozler.

>Your Pic

I miss when the word "deluxe" was on everything. I like it even better when its spelled "de-luxe".
I feel like Dupont started that.
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Gun Jesus returns with a genuine steel snowflake. He got his hands on a Dardick 1500 pistol! Seeing one through his eyes is a revelation. Granted while it was pretty much a failure overall, Ian points out what might have been a pretty good basis for a full auto mechanism if the ammo issues could have been resolved.

Shooting one today with surviving period ammo would insure a kaboom when the low budget polymer case shattered when fired.

Anyway, here's this week's video
Dardick Model 1500: The Very Unusual Magazine-fed Revolver

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>>42108858

I woke up at 6am for literally no reason today. That video made that slightly more tolerable though.

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Well, i cleaned and inspected my bore on Saturday, let copper solvent sit for a while and patched it out. The rifling is pretty smoothed out, but still exists, which is nice.
I shot a 270 today, which is way better than a 244, but still below (what was) my average. Probably wont be bumping up a class this year, c'est la vie.
I just need to remember to clean the bore between every match now, which, isnt great for my zero but its better than shooting a smooth bore.
Still, my team won tonight so no complaints.

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Ooooo biathlon gloves. Ambidextrous, too.

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>>42109439
>ok hand sign
Stop trying to appropriate our memes, Boomer.

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>>42109449
That was a weird and good anime

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>>42109439

Looks like GI trigger finger mitten liners. I have a couple pairs of those in my glove duffel.

Originally part of the M1951 US Cold Weather Uniform developed for the Korean War they continue in use to this day. You really need the shells to get the most our of them though as they don't offer much insulation by themselves.

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>>42109492
Korea? Lame.

What did the 10th Mountain wear at Riva Ridge?

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>>42109493

Probably a mix of M1941 and M1943 pattern uniforms.

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Just ordered this Hungarian saber training kit from woodenswords.com. Gonna see if they're any good.

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I finally went to that range and fired a gun for the first time! My friend and I went together!
Upon entering, I looked around the storefront for a bit and recognized quite a few guns for sale before we got started.
There was a much smaller selection to choose from for rentals though. Nothing automatic.
I opted to just use my friends .40 M+P since I had familiarized myself with it for weeks now.

I got pretty anxious when we moved to the live range and I could hear gunshots from beyond the door. The ear protection we had definitely helped though.
As we entered the live range, It was not crowded at all, and the people next to me were total noobs too.
Compared to the elderly large guy, and the new girls still panicking over shooting guns, I was the leader of THAT fire team.

I needed no assistance. Little did the instructors know, I've been mentally preparing for this for weeks!
I pre-loaded 3 magazines, loaded the 1st, and trained my aim on the target for like 25 seconds.

My 1st shot hit the middle of the target perfectly at 7ft away. I was expecting the recoil to have a whiplash feel from the barrel, but it happened so fast, it was over immediately.
I moved the target to 20ft and fired 19 rounds with decent accuracy.
I found that every shot, I kept wincing and blinking hard in anticipation.
I also thought I'd be firing rounds at a wall all "willy-nilly",
but It felt like every bullet fired mattered. Every shot count.

Shooting a firearm and hitting your target quickly is not as easy as I thought.
After I got comfortable with shooting those 20 rounds, my friend proposed a shell game, He loaded one magazine out of 3, and I had to load and fire all 3.
I wouldn't know which was loaded and which was empty. It was kinda obvious which mag was loaded due to weight, but the uncertainty made me grit my teeth more when pulling the trigger.
For my last 10 rounds, I tried firing 2 rounds back-to-back, but my accuracy dropped horribly. I've found it difficult to hit my target without standing in one place and training on it with one eye. Im pretty sure in combat, standing in one place and aiming makes YOU an easy target.
I was going to take pictures of my paper targets but my friend threw them in the trash immediately.
That was actually a pretty fun experience. I wouldn't mind going again and trying a rifle now!

Am I a big boy now?
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>>42109635
>Little did the instructors know, I've been mentally preparing for this for weeks!

A little bit of study and practice goes a long way.

>Shooting a firearm and hitting your target quickly is not as easy as I thought.


It gets easier as your muscles become conditioned to the recoil.

>Am I a big boy now?


You're still a tenderfoot but you're getting there.

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>>42109635

You did good.

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>>42109642
I'd like to think I skipped several steps and just put myself out there and did it.
Who needs classes? Get your hands on one!
Are firearms something you grew up with, or gained admiration for later?
>>42109721
Thanks! I know to an enthusiast such as yourself, its probably not that impressive,
>BABYS FIRST GUN
it was a big deal for me though!

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>>42109772

I grew up with them and I've always had a fondness for weapons in general. One of my favorite things to do is to just lay around and fidget with them. I'm especially fond of dry firing pistols, tearing down and re-configuring my AR's and doing wrist exercises with my gymnasium saber until my hands and forearms ache.
While there are distinct limitations it is hard to overstate how effective such simple passive practice is, especially early on. The line goes: "make the weapon an extension of your body" and there's just no better way to do that than to have it be a part of your body for a good portion of each day.

The only real downside is that this is a strictly physical conditioning method. Indoor practice of drawing, sighting and (dry)firing a pistol will condition your body to do those things smoothly and effectively but you'd also need to practice those things in situations that simulate a real gunfight much more closely than that in order to get the psychological conditioning necessary to associate the reaction of drawing, sighting and firing with the action of a sudden outbreak of violence. Without that association you are creating a cognitive dissonance between the action of responding to the sudden outbreak of violence with the practice of doing so in an entirely calm and peaceful environment where you are under no duress whatsoever.
But of course outright gunfighting classes and/or competitions aren't something that a noob need worry about immediately, and even when you are to a point where such things are on the table they only need to be done every now and again and casual practice of the basics is still perfectly acceptable.

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>>42109902
Pretty fascinating.
There's alot going on in that pic but it looks like chick is daydreaming about guns.
What kind of sight does it have?
Does it have a recoil attachment?
What kind of texture does it have?
What about the hammer, and grooves on the slide/grip?
Plastic?
Is that what you do Snowbell? Daydream about your sexy firearms?
I definitely fidgeted but mostly had fun emptying and reloading a magazine over and over. Its wasn't my gun to fondle.
I want to learn more about staying alive against an armed opponent more than just the weapon atm.
I could practice my whole life and then just get blasted in a Walmart parking lot.
I've definitely become more vigilant in public lately.

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>>42109942

Well not just firearms. But also knives, swords, axes, armor and gear too.

I'd recommend Jeff Cooper's Principals of Personal Defense to start:
https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Personal-Defense-Jeff-Cooper/dp/1581604955
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>>42109772

It's impressive to watch someone overcome their fears, doesn't matter if it is a small thing.

The first time is a special moment and I'm glad yours was positive.

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>>42109635
Im glad to hear you had such a positive experience.
.40sw is notorious for causing folks to develop a flinch, but if you know whats going on, its easier to over come.
Basically whats happening with a recoil flinch is that your brain knows you want to keep the sights in the center, but also knows the sight will come up once the gun goes off, so it compensates by dipping the gun down so when it comes up, it will be in the center. The problem is that by the time the recoil happens, the bullet has already hit the target, so you dip it too soon. That, along with the fact that its a perfectly natural reaction to flinch when an explosion is going off 2 feet in front of your face haha.
The way to over come it is to just press the trigger slower. A nice even pressure until it clicks, think like the accelerator in a car. That way, your brain wont cause you to flinch too soon, because it wont know exactly when to expect it, and by the time you do learn to expect it, you will be use to the recoil.
Another suggestion and thing i see people commonly do is have their hand too low on the grip. You need to drive the webbing of your thumb and index finger as deep into the beaver tail of the grip as you can so that there is no gap, otherwise you create a fulcrum for the frame to pivot on in your hand, exaggerating the recoil.
Literally everyone has a flinch to some degree, and they can come back if you dont shoot often, so its nothing out of the ordinary.

Super happy for you that you faced a fear and ended up enjoying it!
(Also, yes, reloading is a fun part haha)
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>>42109979
I felt that way whenever someone had a good experience at the sex club.

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>>42110164

Same thing

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What the fuck did I just do?

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>>42110909
7.62 or 5.56?

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>>42110909
Either caliber is going to be a really fun experience. I never hefted a rifle that felt so perfect in my arms.

You did good.

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>>42110914
7.62.

>>42110915
Thanks! I can't wait.

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>>42110921
If you said 5.56 i was going to say you bought a rifle that doesn't do much different than an ar at 3x the cost and no parts compatibility.
But this >>42110915
I'd be just joking. Still, i think if you're going to have a SCAR it might as well be a .308.
Nice buy, congrats.

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>>42110909

Joined the not-a-poor club.

Of course in order to properly flex on the poors you'll also need to dish-out for an optic worth at least as much as the rifle and a few hundred more for a Pelican case to stow it in.
The good news is that you won't need to spend much on ammo, as you'll rarely have to shoot more than a mag's worth through it in order to assert dominance over the poor, unwashed masses.

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>>42110921
Contrary to at least one opinion here, do not, repeat, do not reach for optics for a SCAR until you learn a lot more about the rifle.

The linked video maker below produced a pair of videos on why the SCAR 17 isn't glass friendly and proceeded to try and ruin a $400 scope from Primary Arms with 2,000 rounds of military grade ammo as well as several rifle drop tests.

This specific follow up video will give you some insight into the pros and cons of running glass on a SCAR.

Beyond the price of learning this lesson on your own, getting good with the iron sights provided with the rifle in the first place is always a good thing to master.

The relatively cheap Primary Arms Raptor did survive the limits of the test.

The scope tested:
https://www.primaryarms.com/pa-1-6x24mm-ffp-illuminated-rifle-scope-with-acss-raptor-556-reticle-black

The test video:
Budget Optic Torture Test (Primary Arms Raptor 1-6x)

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>>42111054

My post wasn't entirely serious. In case all the talk of flexing on poors didn't give it away.

But yes, proficiency with irons is a very good idea(Says the old man who first qualified on an M16a2).

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I ordered a "munitions grade" Universal Sword M1832 foot artillery sword. Based off a French design refered to informally as the "coupe-chou" or "cabbage cutter" it is a neo-classical design meant to resemble a Roman Gladius.
Munitions grade means it's a factory second with some aesthetic flaws, nothing that will affect its function though and it gets me about $25 bucks off on the price.

The sword is short, relatively heavy and appears to have a rather thick and rigid blade profile. Great for stabbing and not much else. Though if you paired it with a shield or buckler it could be handy for stabbing goblins in a cave or something.

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>>42111411
Most excellent!

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>>42111411
>What’s more, despite years of criticism of modern “assault-style” rifles such as the AR-15 and AK-47, there are a record 17.7 million in private hands, proving that it is the most popular gun around.

I like how the journalist basically implies both the AR and the AK are the same thing by saying "it is the most popular gun around."

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>>42111434

Well personally I don't trust them to actually know the difference. There's certainly precious little evidence they do.

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Sword arrived today. Is even heftier than I expected, the balance is good though about 3.5 inches forward of the guard. It might very well be decently choppy when sharpened. It pairs well with my buckler so now all I need to do is find some goblins to shank.

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>>42111224

Ayyy I have the French version.

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>>42111594

What exactly made yours munitions grade? I don't see any issues

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>>42111595

My guess would be that the double fullers are slightly askew. I was expecting the blade to be bent or twisted but honestly it's no worse than any other Indian-made sword I've seen. Kult of Athena is well known for their obsessive QC though.

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Submitted with one warning.

Both Ian and The Chieftain had to shill World Of Tanks at the beginning of this video in order to obtain the dosh required to pay for the ammo used in the video. A devil's pact but still worth scrubbing past the embedded ad content to watch Ian shooting big guns.

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/all-the-guns-on-an-m4-sherman-tank-with-nicholas-moran-the-chieftain/

Direct YouTube link
All the Guns on an M4 Sherman Tank (with Nicholas Moran, the Chieftain)

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Babylon Bee is trying to pass off real news as satire again:

https://babylonbee.com/news/nation-longs-for-more-civilized-age-when-politicians-settled-disputes-with-pistols?fbclid=IwAR3d8jRRnWrvw1Rob96SCiVbvMTHkezN-UDQMKqaD0ENWyO-NR1oIngZuF4

Vote for me in 2024 and I'll outdo Andrew Jackson's bodycount at least once over.

>>42111706

Wargaming does some pretty neat documentary type stuff. Their series on coastal fortifications is practically the only the source of it's kind on youtube.


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