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/k/ General

The go to place for the discussion of weapons.

#Cyclic

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Alternatively troll gunbroker for a complete rifle on the secondhand market.

Look for one made of surplus parts and you'll be okay.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/870484632

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>>42142064
So it's the receiver that's the issue?
Makes it a bit simpler to understand, at least. In that case, got any recommendations for where you can find decent FAL receivers?

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>>42142066
I've always avoided gunbroker for the most part. But, that's more my distaste to auctions in general. My experience, they're always overpriced.
Something like this might be the best option though.
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>>42142067
>>42142069

An old imbel receiver would be a solid bet. Gunbroker or gun shows are your best chance, welcome to the world of FALs in 2020, it's more fucked than AKs.

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>>42142070
Was originally wanting an AK before my uncle offered to show me how to build an AR.
Still want one. I have a lust for side-folders that buffer tubes are just poison for.
I mean, I like the rifle, it shoots well, and looks cool. But every time I hold it I think to myself "This would be better if the stock could fold".

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>>42142074

I'm looking to grab a stamped AK to go with my Legend and then call it quits until the market unfucks itself. IF it ever unfucks itself.

Is it the triangle folders you like or the wires?

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>>42142077
Triangle. Wires never quite seemed worth it to me. You're losing a lot of stability for only a small weight gain.
Plus, as I understand it, wirestocks are notoriously uncomfortable.

Do think the fold-over types are interesting, though.
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>>42142078

Underfolders hurt your cheek after a while, wire folders suck ass, fixed stocks have always been my preference with AKs after trying them all.

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>>42142079
Fixed stocks are definitely the most comfortable way to go. I've just always liked the compactness a folding stock offers.
Maybe it's something constantly going in and out of the car makes me think of. That, or just having something else to fiddle with that gives a satisfying click in place.

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>>42142064
Ill take your word for it.

Im not patient haha, but i also dont like full cart semi autos, so it's neither here nor there.

Most of my personal experiences are with 90s DSA rifles, if your saying they got freedomgroup'd ill take your word for it.

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>>42142083

It wasn't Freedom Group but they did get fucked.

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>>42142084
Haha yeah i know, im just creating a new verb "freedomgrouped" meaning the action of taking a once good firearms mfg and destroying its quality.

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Suggest to me a bolt gun.
No milsurp.

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>>42142178

Winchester Model 70

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>>42142178

Savage 110.

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>>42142180
I would take a used one for sure.

>>42142181
Its on the short list. They make too many versions haha.

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>>42142178
Marlin MR-7.

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>>42142194

I find them locally with relative frequency

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>>42142069
>But, that's more my distaste to auctions in general.
Some of the items aren't really an auction. E.g., the one linked in >>42142066 has a "buy now" price only 3.3% higher than the "minimum bid" price.

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>>42142194

Ya, I have a left-handed 110 Tactical in .308 with the Accu-trigger.

Used to have a 111 in 30'06 too but I sold that.

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>>42142209
I stay away from marlin because FG makes better granades than guns.

>>42142211
Ill have to prance around my LGS. Problem is, not a lot of hunting with centerfire around here. Maybe i should go up to Kittery.

>>42142213
I have a 220 and a MkII and a 111 in .223 so having another savage would round out the collection. When i wanted detachable mags no one offered them, now that i want an internal box mag, detachable is standard haha.
Though, the 111 is probably still internal, ill have to reinvestigate.
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It would probably be cheap to melt down pennys and use them to make shotgun slugs.

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>>42142220
I've posted this before and while it isn't really that good an idea in reality at the distance shown in the movie, it sure makes for good Western fiction.

16 Thin Dimes

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Thinking a Howa 1500 might meet the price/quality recs.
A little nicer than a ruger American / savage axis and a little cheaper than a T3x.

>>42142241
PENNY-WISE 12 g. Round - (It all makes cents)

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Today I learned: It is a very bad idea to use a 20mm-caliber gun in self defense if you're not wearing ear protection, especially indoors. Pic related.
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>>42142212
True enough.
Honestly, if it wasn't an inch-pattern, I'd jump at this one. But, I'd really want to convert to a folding stock, and I don't think that's possible, at least with what I understand so far.

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>>42142220

Pennies are mostly zinc. Not the worst possible thing to make slugs out of but is relatively light and I'd be concerned about it sticking to my mold.

>>42142265

Pretty much anything with a comp is going to ruin your day if shot indoors without mucho earpro. Yesterday I went out and shot my 18" AR with the Strike Industries Jcomp, my daughter was with me and even outdoors and wearing earmuffs she found the concussion unpleasant enough that she ended up scampering-off up the hill to play.

Totally worth it for almost no muzzle rise and practically negative recoil though.

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>>42142292
Is it possible to muffle a gun with a compensator? I assume that the ports in the compensator would also need to be muffled somehow?

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>>42142295

Yeah, there's a bunch of comp/suppressor combos available these days. OPS, Surefire and the like all make them.

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>>42142295
You mean with just a comp?
Idk, i put a mini14 comp/flash hider on my 1022 and it seemed to change the report a bit.
But, normally comps make things louder by concentrating the gas and making a bigger "pop".

But also this >>42142296
If thats what your talking about.

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>>42142304
>You mean with just a comp?
Oops, I see now that what I wrote was really ambiguous. I meant "Is it possible to muffle (a gun with a compensator)?", i.e., there is a gun with a compensator, and I want to muffle it. I didn't mean using the compensator to do the muffling.

>>42142296
>there's a bunch of comp/suppressor combos available these days.
I tried looking, but my Google-fu is failing me. I guess if you attached the suppressor directly to the barrel and then attach the compensator to the other end of the suppressor, then it should work relatively well, if the compensator was designed for that use?

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One of my buddies was on the fence about getting a SCAR until he shot mine, and then a few hours later he won it, paying 900 bucks less than the motherfucking MSRP.

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>>42142308
How did he find a gun for significantly less than MSRP in today's environment???

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>>42142309
There's always a deal somewhere.

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>>42142309
Even today expensive guns are still collecting dust in stock rooms. It's the ammo shortage and affordable guns that fly fast out the door.

My local Cabela's has guns if you don't mind the high price models. Just don't plan to see any relief on the $300 to $600 price range again anytime soon. And don't get me started on the ammo shortage.

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>>42142306
Snowbell is talking about comps that are designed to have a suppressor attached over it.
A suppressor is a compensator on its own, as it slows and regulates the release of exaust gasses. So its like asking if they make a compensator for a compensator haha.

If you want a certain direction that the gas vents, you need to open ports to vent it, and if you open ports, you'll get noise, and if you open ports after the gas has slowed enough not to make noise, there wont be enough force for it to act as a directional comp.

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Just shot a ruger american, what a buttery smooth action esp for the price. Might go with that.

Also though, also, i shot an FX impact MKII and that was fucking rad. But, i would need to sell my car haha.
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Is this a weapon of mass destruction?

>>42142334

Yes. Fun fact: The Maxim Silencer Company also makes mufflers.

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>>42142471
In Viennese German "masel (tov)" means "good luck". I think it's Jiddish.
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>>42142646
>I think it's Jiddish.

Yes.

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Today I learned on /k/: Never use a live round as a hammer. 😬

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Got my M4 clone zeroed today. Smith finished the pin/weld earlier than expected so I could get it out to the range.

Weld is pretty ugly and the rear sight had to be cranked more to the right than I'd like, but it's zeroed and looks good otherwise I think.

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>>42142729

Yeah I know the guy that did that. They managed to stitch his hand back together, though of course it doesn't work quite right and looks like Frankenstein's monster.

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>>42142729
>>42142732
What did he use? Like a 20mm?
Or did he just have his hand clinched around it?

>>42142730
Nice. Always good to know you're zeroed.
Im thinking of doing another major sell off myself.
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>>42142733

What're you selling?

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>>42142734
Dno yet, somewhere between my sr22 and literally everything besides my glock, my AR and my 870 haha.

It would be like 7k in my pocket, even after consignment fees, and im so close to being completely debt free that i might just want to rip the bandaid.
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>>42142736

I've thought about that sometimes but I have historical pieces I really don't want to get rid of.

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>>42142733
>What did he use? Like a 20mm?
According to the PDF I saw [1], it was a .50cal round, probably a .50BMG.

[1] (content warning: gore) https://safety.army.mil/Portals/0/Documents/ON-DUTY/EXPLOSIVESSAFETY/EXPLOSIVESSAFETYTRAINING/Standard/Why_You_Should_Not_Use_50cal_rd_as_Hammer.pdf?ver=2016-12-20-135034-607

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>>42142739
All my stuff is just sentimental, and im trying to work on not being attached to inanimate objects.
Good stuff in the lot, but it just sits there. The 3 i mentioned do literally everything that needs to be done.

>>42142740
Oof, that'll do it.

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>>42142744

I just need a bigger safe.

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>>42142745
Mo' money.
I have 2 already. Could prob sell one haha.

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Then i go and hold them all and im like
nahhhhhhhh haha.

Ill just save money by not buying more is all.

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>>42142733

It was a .50 BMG. The primers on those are obscenely potent. You can also make them into something akin to a landmine by setting the round into a cylinder with nail set against the primer(Like a slam-bang shotgun) and setting it into the ground with a board or something over top of it.

>>42142745

That's how it starts, next thing you know you're drawing up plans for an arms room.

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Gun Jesus comes through again!

If this isn't the worst AK ever assembled, it is damn near the head of the line. A must see video.

The Worst AK I have Ever Seen

https://www.alloutdoor.com/2020/06/19/worst-ak-universe/

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I want another 1022.

>>42143051
Saw that. Pretty funny.

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I bought another SLR-107 from K-Var, and now I'm going to turn around and sell my Century built Yugo I paid way too much for when I was just 16.

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>cursed

>>42143094
Still a good time to sell.

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>>42143094

Which Yugo

Also how many 107s is that? Three? Give me one.
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Mmm

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>>42143166
>Which Yugo
This one.

>Also how many 107s is that? Three? Give me one.


Three. I'll part with one if you'll trade that Polytech, son.

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>>42143189

Oooh I had one of those. I liked it a lot after replacing the grip and handguard with Yugo surplus

>trade that Polytech


Bruh you crazy?

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>>42143190
Damn. Maybe some day I'll be able to convince someone.

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>>42143262

Ya, I was thinking about doing just that a while ago but didn't find a mold that wasn't Russian and ridiculously overpriced.

If I were feeling particularly motivated I might consider machining my own molds but that'd be a bit of a chore.

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>>42143389
Spheres are hard to machine, but at least in my experience, they work better than most slug designs for diy.

Have you checked ballistic products? I thought they had a spherical mold.

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>>42143397
>Spheres are hard to machine

Yaes, way I'd do it would be to take a section of aluminum square stock, cut it in half, drill pilot holes to 9/10 the full depth, mill it out progressively wider and shallower and then polish out the steps. Guarantee I'd screw it up at least once, but that's half the fun.

>>42143397
>Have you checked ballistic products?

Looks like they do have a .690 caliber mold in stock.

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>>42143399
>but that's half the fun.
Exactly, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Im thinking of picking up that mold. I keep wanting to dive deep into my trombone action fowling piece, but idk whats stopping me.
.22s are just quick and easy i guess.

I think its because im just pissed at my benelli.

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I found an AK-12 parts kit for sale and know where I could send it to turn it into a functioning rifle and I'm trying really hard to fight the temptation.

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>>42143478
>I think its because im just pissed at my benelli.

It's not hard to be pissed at those.

>>42143479

Do eet!

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>>42143571
Its a montefeltro, so its an M1 super 90 but i cant do anything with it.
Funny, its the "field" version of m1, but you can only buy rifled slug barrels for the regular m1.
Its become pointless, aside from being a smooth af semi auto 12g to have in the safe.

>

It was shoot shit far away with things your not suppose to use for far away...day.
10/10 with .357sig on a 12x12 target @100, i only shot 1 slug at it and flinched, so it was way left.
The 76 year old lady with a 1911 that i was "competing" with had a better group than me haha.
but she shot from the bench
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>>42143771
i remember when you first got that rifle

its still pretty cool

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>>42143778
Yus. Is good rifle, but its not as good as id like it to be.
Struggling to hold 1moa, even from the sled. Gonna try different mfgs and bullte weights and see if it makes a difference. Hardly have 100 rounds through the thing, so the rifling is hardly even fowl yet.

Already looking at a new barrel haha.

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Took the Scorpion and the PPS43 out yesterday, I was very pleasantly surprised by the PPS' capabilities even without a functioning stock. Scorpion needs a brace and desperately needs the ambidextrous safety replaced because it digs into your trigger finger while shooting.

>>42143771

I really want to try one of these

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>>42143808
>Scorpion needs a brace and desperately needs the ambidextrous safety replaced because it digs into your trigger finger while shooting.
I hate that shit. Its like, didnt they ever have a human shoot it before going into production? Haha.
>want to try one
They got stupidly expensive i heard, but they offer a wood stock OEM now. If we ever get a range day put together ill bring it haha.
I have some 77gr stuff i want to put through it. Been using 55gr, and thats not made for 1:8. I want to find a 1:12 16" barrel for cheap stuff and .22lr, but its not easy.

I shot a JP enterprises bolt gun in 6mm creedmoore yesterday a guy i know from swarovski let me play with. I wasnt all that impressed considering the price tag tbh. Sub MOA but ... idk, it was like 14k worth of rifle and i just figured it would be like, more than "huh, thats not bad." Haha. I mean, it was outstanding, dont get me wrong, it just wasn't like a magical moment or anything haha. Maybe its because im dont bench gun.
First time with 6mm too, felt like .223, mostly because of the freaking m1 Abrams muzzle break they put on it haha.
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>>42143815

I found a way to hold it that doesn't suck quite so much but yeah, needs to go immediately. Brace came today though, went with the PDW one, shit's lit.

>more than "huh, thats not bad


I would expect it to put 5 rounds in one hole at like 500 yards and then blow me for that kind of money

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>>42143826
Is that the 4 position one? When you say scorpion, are you taking evo, or OG klobb?

It put 5 in a ragged hole @100, but I've seen out of the box savage rifles do that too haha.
I think there is a rule of diminishing returns when you get up that high. The thing that really made me excited was it had a little mini 2 shell holder right next to the ejection port.
I was like "oh thats awesome!" About the little 3 dollar accessory and meh about the rest of the rifle haha.
Again, beautiful gun, but im not like jealous of it.
Fit and finish was great, and i imagine it would start to show its worth at longer distances.
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Slings are to rifles as holsters are to handguns.

Get a sling, preferably a good sling.

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First the hoarders came for the .223 and i said nothing.
Then they came for the 9mm and still i said nothing.
Now they've come for the .22lr, and there is no one left to stand for me.

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>>42143853
I've seen ammo for sale on GunBroker.com (as well as online stores). E.g.:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/873267324 (Wolf steel case 0.223, 1000 rounds for $350 + $35 shipping)
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/873231089 (CCI .22 LR Mini-Mag, 1000 rounds for $100 + $10 shipping)
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/872628525 (Blazer .22 LR, 1000 rounds for $60 + $15 shipping)

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>>42143858
Too much for steel cased.
Thats not terrible for mini mags though, i mean, atm. I have a few thousand aguila super extra, and enough .233 to fill all my mags plus a few hundred so im actually okay. Thanks for looking.
It will come back when things die down.
I just ordered some 15 round mags for my cmmg conversation. I have a bunch of 25 rounders, but the mags are really long, and the 3rd party 15 rounders are the same profile as the 20rnd mags, and thats what i run.
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>>42143831

Evo, and naw it's three position.

I start finding it very difficult to justify anything over 1k. My most expensive rifle is my polytech and I got that shit in a trade.
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>>42143862
D'aww, paws.

Looks good, i like the evos, but i think if i was going to do a 9mm brace build, it would be an mp5k. Wasnt palmetto suppose to be doing mp5 stuff?
You know, i dont have anything with a brace atm actually.
I cleaned all my stuff yesterday and it got me thinking again about ditching the collection, aside from a few key pieces, and starting fresh now that i have a more discerning eye.

I think they make a brace for the klobb now, i would for sure want one of those haha. Still kick myself for not getting one when they were cheap.

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Would I be crazy to buy a Kel-Tec bullpup [1] instead of an AR-15 or Mini-14? I see above that bullpups have some disadvantages (>>42137452, >>42137453, >>42137693), but I really like idea of something that wouldn't become unwieldy if I attach a sound suppressor. (Although the suppressor would be at least a year away, as I haven't even started on the paperwork yet.)

[1] https://www.gunbroker.com/item/872991620

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>>42143866
>I cleaned all my stuff yesterday and it got me thinking again about ditching the collection, aside from a few key pieces, and starting fresh now that i have a more discerning eye.
I guess now is a seller's market, but I'm worried that prices will go even higher if Biden wins the election and might not come down. Especially if the Dems also win a majority in the Senate. I heard Biden wants to impose a $200 tax stamp on transfers of """assault weapons""".

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>>42143866

Yeah that's my boy Dio.

Palmetto is still planning an MP5 clone but who knows when they will show up?

A pistol caliber carbine I feel like is a must, at least one. And yeah, there's a few options for it, Atlantic has a bunch of different configurations.

>>42143868

Crazy? No. But you would be going in accepting that it will not have the same ubiquitous nature of the AR and so if anything goes wrong, you will have far fewer options.

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>>42143868
Get the rifle that you like shooting the most.
Glocks and ARs are only "the best" because they have become the defacto standard, and standardized tools are a good thing.
That being said, the AR is not my favorite rifle, and if it weren't for politics, i probably wouldnt even own one, which is why i like my SCR lower.
All that being said, KelTec has iffy at best QC.

>>42143872
Its been like at least 3 years since they announced that. Time to git on it palmetto!
I also think a PCC is a great thing to have and ive been singing their praises for a long time. I've been happy to see they have had such a rise in popularity lately.
Although, it was the first thing i dropped in an economic emergency. The brace on my glock serves the purpose, and i think if i buy another, it will just be a 5.7 upper for my SCR.
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>>42143868

Kel-Tecs are OK, their triggers are squishy and spongy and they're not going to suffer very high round-counts but they are at least interesting and unique. One nice thing about them is that KT's production capacity is low enough and their products neat enough that demand is greater than the supply so if you get it and find you don't like it as much as you thought you did you won't lose much in resale.
I've owned a Sub-2000, a PLR-16 and two P3AT's myself.

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>>42143914
I would like a sub2k just for the satisfaction of the HK slap.

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Apparently i need to wake up early to shoot an egg in the morning.

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The egg has been eliminated.

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>>42143997

What'd that egg ever do to you?

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>>42144012
Stood in my way.
Its actually a pretty fun competition. 10 shots to shoot 5 eggs at 100 yards with a rimfire.
I was woefully unprepared, as i just scrubbed out my bore, and everything was off as the barrel seasoned. I think i hit 7 out of 15, and those were by mistake.

Now im going to have to spend hundreds of dollars to build a gun for the sole purpose of egg scrambling.

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>>42144028
Did the eggs explode when hit?

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>>42144106
They did. It was a very satisfying reactionary target.
Im going to be making some golf ball hangers to bring to my club for .22lr shenanigans.
Im starting to get into NRL22x.

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>>42144142
And it just so happens I came across this video tonight:
MOST SATISFYING SLOW MOTION SHOT EVER!! - EXPERIMENT AT HOME

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>>42144151
Shooting eggs is a quality passtime it turns out.
Do you have any rimfires yet?

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>>42144028

Oh, well, carry-on then.
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Eggs eggs eggs.

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>>42143872
>>42143904
>>42143914
Thank you all for your feedback! I'm leaning towards buying one, but haven't managed to pull the trigger yet on my buying decision. (I'm often slow making decisions.)

>>42144189
>Do you have any rimfires yet?
Not yet. I just took a look, and it seems like 10/22s are in stock at a nearby store for a reasonable price. I want one. Maybe I'll pick up one this month.


I also really like the idea of pic related, but I worry it just wouldn't be practical for concealed carry, plus it's rather expensive ($1500 MSRP + $200 tax stamp).

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The greatest thing about the American West is being able to find acres upon acres upon acres of public land you can shoot on.

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>>42144214

For what it's worth the RDB is probably the best bang for your buck bullpup out there.

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>>42144214
Yw
>pull the trigger
I get it.

Ruger isn't the only company making 1022s now, because the patent expired and the rifle has become public domain and open source. Expect it to be demonized soon haha.
Thompson center makes a really nice version of it, for just a bit more.

Im not sure they make that pistol anymore tbh, ive never handled one, so i cant say if it would be any good for CC. I would guess its size would be a bit cumbersome, but i happily CC'd a 92f for years so my idea of "too big" is not representative of the general consensus.

>>42144216
Jelly.
Whats the farthest you've shot? I was born on the wrong side of the country.

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We should do a postal league or something.

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Im looking at barrel tuners, .22lr resizing dies, and reloading kits... ive been weighing all my rounds and grouping them together by consistency and ive begun to glass bed my savage FV SR...
Im innit too far boys.. pull me back.

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I'm finding myself more drawn to my AK than my ARs lately. I think I might be regressing into my old slavshit centric ways

>>42144431

A what?

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>>42144465
A postal league.
Its like a long distance league.
As its name implies, it was done through the mail in times past.
Basically, we all shoot the same course of fire, and post our results and see whomst wins that week.

It can be as simple as just shooting 10 rounds at a scored target, to specialty targets like a know your limits target.

Would have to be on the honor system of course, and conform to range conditions we all have access too, but i think a weekly challenge would be fun and a good excuse to get people out shoosting.

AKs are fun, and you go through phases with whats in your safe. I know i do.

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>>42144466

I'd be down for that.

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>>42144467
Cool. Theres 2 i guess. Thats enough to play, but still hoping more people want to join in haha.

What kind of range distance do you have access to? I have immediate acess to 0-200 yards, but i know a lot of folks shoot indoors @25 so whoever wants to play, we have to stay in the bounds of the shortest range obviously.
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>>42144469

Typically I have a 50 yard range but the longest I can get into without joining a club around here is 100 yards. It'd be easiest to do the 50, obviously.

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>>42144470
50 works.

I assume they are public ranges? Any position restrictions? I know most are bench/standing only, but can you do prone, sitting, ect?
Prob cant shoot from barriers or like, from a ladder or anything right?

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>>42144471

You can't go prone, you can stand or sit.

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>>42144475
Like sit at a bench or sit on the ground?

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>>42144478
Cool.
Okay, guess we wait and see if anyone else is interested.

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>>42144478
I guess we're it.
Do you want to pick the first target, or shall I?

Id be surprised if i didnt already know that the hardest thing to get people who like shooting to do, is actually go shooting haha.

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>>42144748

This thread hadn't bumped for a while so I assumed nobody had posted.

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>>42144749
Keep it on a watcher dawg.
It only bumps for the first post in a while then it auto sages. So it wont stay bummped for more than a post or 2.

You in?

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>>42144748

I'm off for the summer so I have nothing but time. You go ahead and pick.

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>>42144466
Hmm... maybe at some point I'll git gud enough to join...

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>>42144754
>>42144755
Alright, i need to practice to qualify, so lets do an Army-L target @25yds. 30 rounds, 30min, stright score. Any centerfire handgun, offhand (unsupported aka, no leaning, no benching, no prone).
Have a week to shoot it sound fair? So like, next monday/tuesday we will post?

>>42144755
What are your range limits?

>>42144756
You're already good enough to join, its just for fun, and an excuse to get out and shoost.
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>>42144759
Any specific version of the target? I'm looking for them online because all I have right now are these things

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>>42144760
Nah, as long as the scoring rings and the bull and the x ring are the right size, shouldnt matter who makes it.
Im probably going to print out just the center on an 8x11 if they dont have them at the LGS.

Only issue i can see with the SnC is scoring on a line break, has to be the bullet hole, not the chipped ... paint? Coating... whatever it is haha.
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>>42144761
I'll look around and see if I can find them. Is it the same as the NRA 25 yard target?

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>>42144762
Yup.
A B-22 target.
https://www.nationaltarget.com/product_info.php/-p-13

A B-23 target is the same target iirc, but just the center so its not as big and its less obnoxious on the target carrier haha.

Should be able to find one at any gun shop, normally for about a buck.

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>>42144759
OK, I'll try to join in then! Dunno how well I'll be able to hit the target at 25 yards with my Glock, but I'll give it my best shot. Might try renting a more target-quality gun too, and see if I'm any better with it.

Does your state allow you to qualify with anything that's legally a pistol and with any optic, or are there restrictions?

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>>42144764
Do it! A 1911 will fit the bill nicely.

Its a grey area, by law, you can qualify with anything that is legally a handgun, but its generally understood that having 7.62x39 or 50AE or something on your score sheet is frowned upon, and idk any instructor, including myself, that would sign off on it.

Also, as far as "pistols" go, most rifle calibers are .30ish, and you can only carry what you qualify with and under, so if you qual a 7.62mm you cant even carry a 9mm.
Most opt to qual with a .45

As far as optics, i think you could get away with using a red dot.
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>>42144765
>A 1911 will fit the bill nicely.
I'll give one a try!

>Its a grey area, by law, you can qualify with anything that is legally a handgun

I wonder if anyone has ever tried to qualify with a 9mm gun like pic related. I hear its very low bore axis really helps mitigate recoil / muzzle flip. But I guess that's not as much of an advantage for slow fire. And of course it sucks for concealed carry, lol.

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>>42144766
I did have someone wanting to qual with a kriss vector in .45acp, he didnt meet the minimum score requirement.

Most people use a target 1911.

Like, it doesn't need to be overcomplicated haha.

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So wait, what are we counting as a "handgun"?

ATF definition or common sense?

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>>42144771
Common sense.
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>>42144782

I figured

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>>42144771
A gun that shoots hands.

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>>42144766

I've owned numerous SMG clone type PCC's. They're fun initially but when it comes down to it they're bigger, heavier and less ergonomic than a common pistol with a stendo mag.

That said though I do still regret not getting a Masterpiece Arms .460 Rowland.
Masterpiece Arms 460 Rowland Tactical Hunting Self Defense Carbine

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>>42144892
Pccs are easy to let go of.
I got the one i always wanted and was like "meh".
They are clumsy rifles.

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>>42144892
>>42144914
Yesterday I saw a video of a PCC with a 100-round cylindrical magazine:
Calico Liberty 100 Carbine on the PCC Evaluation Course

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>>42144982
Calicos were a meme.
Like zip 22s and double taps.

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>>42144982
>>42144987

>Bro, bro

>What if we put the sights
>ON THE MAGAZINE BRO

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>>42144998
Me and my friend ise to think it was funny to make fake Eugene Stoner quotes, as if he was just a stoner haha.

Like
Duuude, liek, what if we like, run the recoil spring out the back so it will be all like, stright and stuff?

But yeah, calicos never had a chance. Too complicated and to silly.

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>>42144982

The .22's are still fairly common. The 9mm's less so. Helical mags are dildos. Hell even drum mags aren't that hot of an idea. Even when they work they're heavy and bulky.

>>42144987
I almost bought a Zip-22 when they came out. Only reason I didn't is because I didn't have quite enough cash on hand. If I had I'd probably still have it. If only because nobody would want it.

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>>42145001

If they did work they'd be cool as fuck

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If there are drum mags, then why isn’t there guitar mags?

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>>42145002
They really sucked.
We all *thought* it was something we wanted haha. Be careful what you wish for.
The fact that it had a special lever to restrike a cartridge should be the first clue that no one is going to have fun that day hah.
>>42145003
I think that ian guy has a point when he said he thinks its because people didnt fallow the instructions that they got a bad rap. Ive shot one, and it worked okay, it was just balls heavy and annoying to run.
No way in hell would i want to lug that thing around for any amount of time.

>>42145004
There is, and they are made of rich mahogany.
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>>42145004
Got ya covered, fam.

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>>42145005
So like this?

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>>42145006
That looks like it’s gonna be hard to fit into a gun.

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>>42145004

What? Have you never watch Desperado?

Desperado - Guitar Case Full of Guns
Desperado (1995) Trailer #1 | Movieclips Classic Trailers

>>42145005

It'd still be worth it for the memes. You can bet that if I'd got it I'd have mounted it sideways on the RAS and gripped it like a STEN mag.

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>>42145009
If you could get a bunch of them and like zip tie them into a ball of death, then it would e worth it.

Or like, mount an SWFA fixed 10 to it and use it as a bench gun.

Okay, now i need one.

Its like the opposite of when i put a $20 tasco scope on a AI AW

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>>42145010

Go watch!

>>42145012
>If you could get a bunch of them and like zip tie them into a ball of death, then it would e worth it.

Didn't somebody do that? Mount like six of them to a central spindle or something? Pretty sure I saw something like that. I'm tired though so I might not be thinking clearly.

Well I went and dug into my external HD, I didn't find the thing I was thinking of but I did find this:

Also found a pic of my .308 Saiga. I like that gun, but she's expensive to feed so I hardly ever get her out. Actually I haven't done much of anything with any of my AK's lately. I should.

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Back on the subject of calicos, here's mine:
:3
...And also my MPA .45. I sold that ages ago though. Had a side-cocking 9mm for a while too. Was going to SBR it but lost interest and then sold it too.

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>>42145021
That's a cute cat!

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>>42145020
I seem to remeber something like that, like used a 1022 mag coupler or something.

Thats a pretty sweet setup if it was on a tripod. If thought about getting the Franklin armory belt fed upper and making something like that, with big heavy ass barrels as a mounted affair, but, it absolutely wouldnt be worth the money haha. Paper dreams.

The most expensive thing i have to feed besides slugs for my fowling pieces, is .223, and i hardly spend the money to do that haha.

Its a fucking joke that AR barrels are too fast for 55gr, but affordable 223 and 556 is all 55gr. Makes me clutch all my 77gr stuff like they are gold.

But then i think about how compitition grade 223 is the same price as midgrade 308, and i dont feel so bad.

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>>42145036
>Its a fucking joke that AR barrels are too fast for 55gr

That is kinda true but the effect is massively overhyped. Like my 18" MK.12 Bbl is meant specifically to shoot 77gr Mk.262 OTM. That Bbl and that round were literally made for each other. But as I too cling bitterly to my meager stockpile of 77gr, loading it only to into my single 10 round Lancer mag so as not to get it mixed-up with anything else, I've ended-up shooting plenty of 55gr through it and it is still plenty accurate. Unless of course you're really reaching out. You can't really expect bottom-shelf ammo to perform like match in that regard.
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>>42145036
>>42145044

This is why I like 7.62x39 as a general purpose round. It just works. Always.

Speaking of, I got this stock set for the Polytech to protect the original wood. I'm struggling with whether to make it a meme set or actual try and make it look presentable.

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>>42145055

Well I just refinished my Soviet E-tool today. The original paint was chipping off so I stripped and sanded it, gave it a new coat of appliance epoxy and treated the handle with Linseed oil.

A good refinishing will pretty-up almost anything.

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>>42145044
Haha okay, maybe my language was too strong there, i meant like, its a cosmic joke.
I go from about 1.3" groups at 100 with 55gr out of my precision build, to about .07ish groups with the 62+ on a 1:8 twist.
Ive been looking for a 1:12 OG barrel so i can shoot 55gr and .22lr out of it more better, but they are hard to come by.
I never shoot bottom shelf.

>>42145055
Well yes, if your platform is already minute of pie plate, then you dont have to be concerned about the performance of the ammo so much :P

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>>42145061
>Ive been looking for a 1:12 OG barrel so i can shoot 55gr and .22lr out of it more better

Brownells probably has some.

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>>42145062
They have the retro uppers, but not just the barrel, last time i checked.

I would like a fluted stainless 1:12 but beggars cant be choosers.
Maybe it time i learn to button rifle.

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>>42145063
>Maybe it time i learn to button rifle.

Yes!

My last venture into barrel making ended in failure. Mostly due to my own negligence. But you know you gotta break a few eggs to get yolk on your face... Or something like that.

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>>42145061

>minute of pie plate


Come on, it's better than that.

>>42145060

What'd you use to strip it? I'm going to use citistrip gel on these things.

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>>42145070

3M Aircraft Remover.

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I'm thinking of a buying a handgun with a manual safety, for concealed carry. I like my Glock's drop-safety feature, and drop safety is pretty high up on my list of criteria for a concealed-carry gun. Which brings me to 1911s... I've heard that some are definitely NOT drop-safe (e.g., "series 70" model), whereas others seems to be drop-safe (e.g., "series 80" model). If a 1911 has a firing pin block like the "series 80" model, is it pretty much good to go?

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>>42145096
>1911
>manual safety
>for concealed carry


I'm not trying to be a cunt, but why, tho?

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>>42145064
It looks badass though, and thats half the battle.

>>42145070
I know, i just like giving aks a hard time.
Commie.

>>42145096
Maybe think about getting a double action instead of a manual safety for ccw if safety is of concern.
Manual safeties are hard to manipulate under stress, and a double action pull will mitigate mistakes just as well.
1911s are good carry guns, i wouldnt be so concerned over the drop safety.
Most 1911s have an inertial firing pin, which means the firing pin is recessed and needs to overcome the pressure of the firing pin spring to make it to the primer.
The hammer shouldn't drop unless the trigger is activated and the trigger shouldn't activate unless the grip safety is depressed, and the grip safety shouldn't be depressed if your hands not on it.

Hammer down, it would be hard to give the force required to get the pin past the breach, even with a solid hit, and cocked and locked, it would be hard to get the hammer to fall without human intent.

I think the gun would have to be severely defective or in disrepair to make it happen with a drop. Also, all 1911 platforms pass industry and state drop tests.

Im not saying its impossible, just unlikely. I would suspect most stories about 1911s going off when dropped start with a dude in his garage with a dremel, a dream, and a can-do attitude.

Plus, if god wanted the 1911 to have a firing pin safety, he would have instructed john browning to design it with one haha.
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>>42145112
I dont think a 1911 is a good first carry gun though, tbh.

Honestly, look at a sig p2022.
Its the hammer fired version of a 320... kinda, and it a polymer 226... kinda.
It weird. But well made and cheap, relatively.

Also, an fnx9 if you have more monies.

Also a px4 or bobcat 380 or a 92.
A single stack 92 doesn't exist, but if it did, id say that too.

I think if your going to hammer fire, double action is the way to go, esp in the beginning.

Dont you have a 48?
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>>42145096
>If a 1911 has a firing pin block like the "series 80" model, is it pretty much good to go?

Yes, but any modern pistol of quality manufacture that's been out for a few years is going to be pretty dang ole' safe.
I went through a 1911 phase myself. I first bought a Llama(which is not a 1911 by the strictest definitions but is close enough) at a gun show, then I got a full-size Springfield Armory Mil-spec, Then a Rock Island Armory GI and Finally a Springfield Armory Champion, which was my favorite. It had a full-sized frame with a 4" slide and a bull barrel so it was only fractionally larger than my Makarov which was my first carry pistol but packed 8 rounds of .45 ACP instead of 8 rounds of 9x18.
But by then the federal Assault Weapons Ban had eclipsed, "high capacity magazines" were coming back onto the market and so I could avail myself of a Glock 19 which holds 15 rounds(Or 33) of 9x19 and perhaps even more importantly the Glock isn't nearly as prone to rusting as the blued Makarov or the parkerized 1911's were when squished against my sweaty self all day, everyday.

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>>42145103
>I'm not trying to be a cunt, but why, tho?
I'm too terrified of Glock Leg to carry my Glock with a round chambered.

>>42145112
>>42145126
Thanks for the suggestions! Yes, I think I'll go with a double-action. Looks like the Sig 2022 and the Beretta 92 and PX4 are all in stock at my local gun store / range. They also have a rental Beretta 92 that I can try out. I plan to visit in the next few days and hopefully pick one up!

>Dont you have a 48?

Yes. It's a nice gun, but, well, I think I need a lot more experience until I'm comfortable carrying it chambered.

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>>42145141
I mean, if you're going to carry it, it would be best to feel it first.
Though i carried a 92 for a long time, it is a little obnoxious. Idk what kind of body type you are or anything to get into more detailed suggestions.

I personally think the 48 is the perfect carry gun, though, i also opted to carry a double action to begin with for the same reasons.

Really, the fnx and the sp2022 are probably the best balance between size, weight, price and quality, with the px4 compact (not sub compact) a close 3rd.

But, thats my personal thought, an i prefer larger frame guns.

Springfield also makes an xd something or other thats a hammer fire. Never looked bad, but i dont have enough experience with it to make the recommendation.

Just, dont get a bersa, or any of those cheap junk ppk looking things.

Also, also, mid frame revolvers are a thing. Like a smith k frame. If you find one used, try to get one with a transfer bar. Boomers hate transfer bars, but they make sense.
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>>42145143
>Really, the fnx and the sp2022 are probably the best balance between size, weight, price and quality, with the px4 compact (not sub compact) a close 3rd.

The SP2022 is pretty nice. You can mod milsurp M9 mags to fit it too.

>>42145141
>I'm too terrified of Glock Leg to carry my Glock with a round chambered.

You see Sergei, with no safety you never finger of trigger for fear of shooting leg.

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>>42145145
The sp2022 takes 92 magazines?
How much moding are we talking? Like, making the catch a hair bigger, or a new one all together?
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I got a delivery today; pic related.

>>42145140
>the Glock isn't nearly as prone to rusting
Oh, that isn't something that I've really considered before now. I guess that's an advantage to "plastic" guns like the Glock.

>>42145143
>I mean, if you're going to carry it, it would be best to feel it first.
Yup, and I'm pretty sure that the store I'm going to will let feel the guns before I make my decision

>what kind of body type you are

I'm 5'8" tall and weigh 150 lbs. I'm not as athletic as I should be, and unfortunately Corona put a damper on my plans to get the gym more often.

>Just, dont get a bersa, or any of those cheap junk ppk looking things.

Don't worry, I'll avoid those things like the plague!

>>42145145
>You see Sergei, with no safety you never finger of trigger for fear of shooting leg.
Haha, I guess carrying a Glock does tend to instill some good trigger discipline. Maybe I'll try to pretend that whatever I'm carrying is a Glock and scold myself if I ever find my finger going where it isn't supposed to go.

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>>42145146
>How much moding are we talking? Like, making the catch a hair bigger

You have to widen the catch hole on the mag, bring it up towards the feed lips about 1.5 or 2mm. Only takes a couple minutes with a double-cut file. Probably don't want to use them as carry mags but they work fine for range use.

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>>42145147
>I got a delivery today; pic related.
Haha nice! I still gotta shoot mine.
All i did today was fix a friends boat and sit in a hammock.

Good day if you ask me.

Where do you plan to carry? Have you experimented with the glock at all?
>pretend that whatever I'm carrying is a Glock and scold myself if I ever find my finger going where it isn't supposed to go.
Dont worry, you can still roll one down your leg with a double action. :D

>>42145150
Ah gotcha. Do they still work in the 92 after?

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>>42145159
>Do they still work in the 92 after?

Maybe, but probably not. Would almost certainly fail to feed.

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>>42145159
>Where do you plan to carry?
Well, with the corona restrictions and recommended precautions, I guess I don't really get out much, haha, so mainly just at home, for practice. I guess I'll carry when I visit the supermarket (which is roughly once every 10--15 days) and when I go outside for a walk. How are things were you are, corona-wise?

>Have you experimented with the glock at all?

I've got a OWB paddle holster and a belly-band holster (pic related). Should probably get a real IWB holster, since the Glock seems to print more than I'd like with the OWB holster.

I also got a pair of pants with pockets for concealed carry (https://ccwbreakaways.com/stone-concealed-carry-cargo-pants/) and a pocket holster. Works great for concealment, and provides a fast draw (when standing, not so much when sitting), but it uses up a whole pocket and it really terrifies me of suffering a negligent discharge. I don't know if I'd ever want to carry a chambered Glock like that.

>Dont worry, you can still roll one down your leg with a double action. :D

Very true! In all honestly, it will probably take me a few weeks of carrying on an empty chamber before I feel comfortable carrying chambered even with a 10-pound DA trigger pull and even if it also has an external safety.

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>>42145169
>Well, with the corona restrictions and recommended precautions
I meant, where on your body? Haha

>I've got a OWB paddle holster

What kind?
>Glock seems to print more than I'd like with the OWB holster.
This is why i ask where on your body. How is it printing? Lifting up your shirt? When you lean?
>I also got a pair of pants with pockets for concealed carry
Please dont. I mean, idk what your situation is, but i haven't found a situation yet where that is the only option.
If you're scared of shooting yourself thats the first thing you need to stop doing.
That stuff is as seen on TV gimmickry, please get a professional holster. They probably cost less than that pair of pants and wont lead to you wounding yourself and others.
You need something that detents, covers the trigger, and that puts the gun in a static safe position.
I know they seem really convenient, but they are death traps and while i cant say there is no one those would be the best/only option for, i haven't thought of any way something like that would be a good option.

>Very true! In all honestly, it will probably take me a few weeks of carrying on an empty chamber before I feel comfortable carrying chambered

Good, because you never should in those holsters haha.
>it really terrifies me of suffering a negligent discharge.
If they are already making you uncomfortable, which they are, dont use them.
Dont get those versa carry things ether as a carry holster, but i do reccomend them as a positioning tool.
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I did the thing, decided to wing it and try with the Victory Model .38 I just bought yesterday. Hadn't shot it yet obviously, probably wasn't the best choice but fuggit. It pulls to the left at 25 yards apparently.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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>>42145175
Nice! Im going to try to do mine on Saturday.

Whats the size of that black?

Are you right handed?

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>>42145173
>I meant, where on your body? Haha
Oh, basically where I'm wearing the gun in that pic I posted in >>42145169

>What kind?

This is my OWB paddle holster: https://www.ConcealmentExpress.com/products/glock-48-owb-kydex-paddle-holster
This is my belly band holster: https://www.CrossbreedHolsters.com/modular-belly-band-package.html

>You need something that detents, covers the trigger

Both of the two above have Kydex that snaps in place around the gun and covers the trigger. (I'll need to get a new holster for whatever handgun I buy next, since these are specific to the Glock 48/43.)
The pocket holster that came with the pants has very thin kydex that covers the trigger but does not securely retain the gun.

>Please dont.

Okay, I think I'm going to give up on those pants, at least until I can find a secure holster for it that I can reliably draw from. Maybe such a thing will come to market eventually.

>This is why i ask where on your body. How is it printing? Lifting up your shirt? When you lean?

I tried to take a photo, but I maybe I was imagining it more than it was real. You can kinda see that something is under my shirt in this photo, but it isn't distinctively a gun.
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>>42145178

I'd have to measure it, but the guy said that it should be equivalent to the B-22. I figured it just went by number score anyway so it wouldn't matter. Yes, I'm normal-handed.

The front sight blade on this thing covered most of the target at that distance, I was going to use my M9A3 but had to try this, two birds with one stone. Double action every time is ass but I love revolvers.
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>>42145191
The ones I got are 28 inches wide. (https://www.ponychan.net/oat/src/1594935024490.jpg) Yours looks a lot smaller than the I got.

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>>42145187
What the heck is holster lube, and why is it an option to buy it with that owb holster? Haha

You will always feel like you're printing more than you are, but yeah, you're printing more than i would be comfortable with in that pic. Is that your beltline its on?
9oclock Strongside carry is hard to pull off tbh, try moving it back.
The belly band dosen't seem like the worst thing in the world, can you slide that forward and use it for appendix?

You can still wear the pants, i just wouldnt ever use then as a holster haha.

>>42145191
It might be equivalent, but the black on the b22 is all 10, so your scoring rings are too small so we gotta figure out which rings they would be in.
Just want to make sure the black is the same size, should be.
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>>42145193
>>42145195

So wait, are you saying the scoring rings on the B-22 are bigger so I'd have done slightly less shitty?

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>>42145198

I'll measure it tomorrow, I don't know where my ruler is...or my tape measure

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>>42145195
>What the heck is holster lube, and why is it an option to buy it with that owb holster? Haha
Haha, I just googled it, and the first result was: "If you want a slippery kydex holster, save your money and use Lemon Pledge." :-) Which also raises the question, who would want a slippery holster? Seems like asking for trouble.

>Is that your beltline its on?

Yup. Probably an IWB holster wouldn't print as much.

>The belly band dosen't seem like the worst thing in the world, can you slide that forward and use it for appendix?

Indeed, I can. The kydex part attaches to the belly band with velcro, so I can also adjust the angle. And, incidentally, I can buy just a new kydex piece for a new gun and re-use the same belly band.

>>42145197
The "9" scoring circle on mine is 8 inches in diameter. Just eyeballing it, the "9" ring on yours is about the size of your revolver's barrel, and it doesn't look like an 8-inch barrel to me.

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>>42145199
Man card revoked.
I mean, idk exactly where my is ether, but i lost that card a long time ago anyway haha.

>>42145200
"Slippery" and "firearm" aren't words that should be together Haha. I would avoid the company that sells holster lube.
You can not print with a good owb that attaches to the belt a little more solidly, seems like it flopping away from your body, when it should be up against it.
The velcro on the band seems a bit concerning, considering your going to be pulling something from it. You can prob tighten your belt around the holster to help keep it in place on a draw, but still, something that attaches to the belt is preferable.
But, the nice thing about the band is you can try different positions and see what works.
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>>42145200

It's a 4" barrel.

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>>42145201
>seems like it flopping away from your body
Yup, that is exactly the problem with it. I guess I just need a better OWB holster then, from a reputable company.

>The velcro on the band seems a bit concerning, considering your going to be pulling something from it.

That worried me as well. But, I tested it a bunch of times, and it seems to work fine. The velcro is perpendicular to the direction of drawing, plus there is a length of bellyband that wraps around the holster, which further secures it. I wouldn't want to open-carry with it, since it doesn't really protect against a criminal seizing my gun, but for concealed-carry it seems to work okay.

And it so happens that this velcro holster can attach to the inside of those concealed-carry pants as well. (WebM related -- I dunno if you can hear it in the webm, but the gun clicks securely into place into the kydex.) I dunno, what do you think -- does this seem secure enough? In either case, I'm probably going to try to get a belt-attaching holster anyhow, so that I can keep use of both of my pockets.

>>42145202
Seems like that target shortchanged you then!

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Daily reminder anyone who buys an HK SP5 has fukkin brain damage.

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>>42145293
What's wrong with them?

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>>42145320

They paid the HK tax

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Given that the Gatling gun isn't considered a machine gun by the ATF, it crossed my mind that perhaps a similar hand crank could developed for the AR-15. And sure enough, such a thing exists!

Jerry Miculek shooting one: Turning your AR-15 into a mini Gatling Gun! (GAT CRANK) | Super SlowMo 4K

The ergonomics kinda suck when shooting offhand, since you can't support the rifle with your firing hand. Also it's much easier to bump into and activate the crank than to accidentally pull a trigger. So probably not suitable for home defense, but a nifty range toy.

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Not my best, but its also really fucking hot out haha.
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>>42145468

Yeah those have been a thing since forever. They were more popular before bumpstocks and such became a thing. I knew a dude who had a 10/22 in a plastic stock thing that made it look like a mini MG-42 with one of those on it.

>>42145595

Not awful. I need to build a new target stand. Or else get a couple pallets and lash them together.
I think I'll do the thing with my Makarov. I haven't given her any love recently and she is more accurate than I am anyway.

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>>42145595

Man, is that's how big the target was supposed to be?

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>>42145205
Im sorry, i totally missed this.
Even if the holster velcros into the pocket, and it clicks in, i still dont think it would be a good idea at all to carry it like that.
Of the things you've shown me, only the belly band looks workable, if under the belt.

>>42145613
I used my beretta for the same reason, hadn't shot it in almost a year.
It was 90 in the shade today Haha, and i had to stand in that shit with a mask on for 10 hours.

>>42145623
Yeah, waste of paper considering only the first few rings were used.

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>>42145637

I still haven't measured my target, I'm being lazy af

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>>42145638
We dont work on deadlines.

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>>42145637
>It was 90 in the shade today Haha

Same here. I went out about at about 2 for some saber practice, wore all my kit and only made it about 20 minutes before I had to strip and jump in the pool. Went out again after dinner in just shoes and shorts and it was no less hot out but it was drizzling a bit and I did about an hour and a half I think.

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>>42145648
Its not fun when its so hot.

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It's Monday and we have new content from Gun Jesus.

Today he borrowed not one, not two but three different caliber Walther PPKs!

Not only does he take them to his range, but he does what he rarely does: dual wield two of them!

Walther PPKs on the Range: Comparing the .32 to the .380

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Check out the purple anodizing on ye olde commieknocker the Monadnock PR-24AL.

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Raising the bar.
Still a pathetic scrub.

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Woohoo! I finally made it to the range again! I still need to improve a lot, but I didn't do quite as bad as I was expecting -- I was wondering if I'd even manage to get half of them on the sheet of paper at 25 yards lol.
10 * 3 = 30
9 * 4 = 36
8 * 2 = 16
7 * 7 = 49
6 * 4 = 24
5 * 2 = 10
4 * 2 = 8
0 * 3 = 0
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27 173

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>>42145637
Looks like I'll be in the market for a new holster after I buy my upcoming DA/SA pistol. I'm leaning pretty heavily toward the Beretta PX4 Storm Compact Carry. The only thing I dislike about it is its short (3.2-inch) barrel -- less velocity and more noise than a 4-inch barrel. But I guess a shorter barrel also aids in concealment. I wonder if anyone ever tried making a telescoping/folding/etc barrel. Probably extremely difficult to get the engineering right, but would be a market hit if successful, especially if the expanding mechanism could be automatic upon unholstering.

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>>42146017
Nice! Thats pretty damn good considering you just started shooting.
You counted a 10 as a 9 and a 4 as a zero, i came up with 178, but also, i think thats 3 touching in the 7 ring so i would give it a 185 tbh.
The groups good, just still a bit o flinch.

>>42145712
Haven't had time to watch.

>>42146011
Is that a baton?

>>42146016
Because they are on a counter? Is this a thread about shooting puns now?

>>42146018
Is that the Langdon designed one?

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>>42146016
>>42146020
AT&T Raising The Bar
^THIS

I'm sure you have a few puns in your arsenal.
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>>42146020
What is like the "default" range a shooting range would set up a Target for a newbie?

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>>42146021
Im kind of proud of myself that i got that it was a pun, but came up with a pun that was completely different than what was intended.
Yours is better though haha.

>>42146023
7-10 yards for a handgun, normally.

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>>42146024
Ah, okay.

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>>42146024
It was a double action pun!
>>42146025
Trying your hand again?

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>>42146025
Whyyyyyyyyyyyy?

>>42146026
Don't get cocky.
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>>42146026
>>42146027
No, I was just wondering how easy they went on me when I did go shooting that one time.

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>>42146028
Well, how easy was it?

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I also saw a Kel-Tec 33-round .22LR pistol in the gun store on my trip today. I was half-tempted to buy it.

>>42146020
Thanks! I was just considering the holes -- I forgot to count the rest of the area that the bullet contacted.

>>42146020
Yup!

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>>42146032
If it breaks a line, you count the higher number.
I've heard good things about that pistol but i haven't handled one, the px4 i mean.

Hope your not racking up debt to buy all these haha.

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>>42146020

Yaes! Is the center one in this picture:
The bottom one is the all-aluminum expanding model, the top one is a cheap plastic one which I broke about a year ago. The non-expanding one is hollow aluminum with aluminum knob-ends threaded in. On the expanding one the small section is solid aluminum(though newer ones are polymer) this gives it greater mass for the roundhouse swing. Where, gripping it by the side-handle with the long section along the forearm you swing it out with a hook-punch type motion and let the long end swing out at your target. Generating quite a bit of centrifugal force. Quite easy to turn somebody's knee around the wrong way with that swing. Though officially you're supposed to aim for the meaty portions of their anatomy and not the joints.
The solid one also has a plastic tube inside the main body so you can unscrew the knob-end and insert a steel weight to add additional mass for the roundhouse swing. Then there's side handles with free-spinning sections on them to make twirling easier at the expense of some control. I don't like those though because you really don't want one of these swinging back round and nailing you on the funny bone let me tell you.
They're based on the Okinawan tonfa. But where tonfa are typically used in pairs the PR-24 is meant to be used singularly. This allows for not only blocks and strikes but also a variety of one and two-handed takedowns and joint manipulations. PR-24AL means: Protect & Restrain, 24 inch length, Aluminum.
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I got a new job, and I think I'm going to turn my reverse stretch MP5 clone into an SBR more or less like this, because that's what I always wanted to do with it, anyway.

And a suppressor. I also plan to get a suppressor.

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My gun collection doubled today! I bought a PX4 Storm Compact Carry, and my Kel-Tec RDB also arrived. I put about 80 rounds thru the PX4, and toward the end, I think I was shooting it more accurately than my Glock 48.

I ordered some subsonic 5.56mm ammo for the RDB. The ammo is advertised to cycle semi-autos. The RDB has an adjustment dial for its gas system, so hopefully I'll find a setting that works. Next on my agenda is to start my journey into NFA land; I want a sound suppressor for the RDB.

>>42146073
That looks like a nice gun! The range that I go to has a suppressed full-auto H&K MP5 SD for rental. I might rent it at some point in the future. It will be quite expensive for just a few minutes of shooting though, haha.

>>42146042
>Hope your not racking up debt to buy all these haha.
My bank account balance is frowning slightly at my gun and ammo purchases. But I'm doing fine.

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>>42146123
LOL!

>*Shoots revolver*

>*case plinks off floor*
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By the way I found the pics of the two targets I shot at when I went to that range.

This one was with a handgun, not sure what kind I think it was a 9mm glock of some sort. Second was with a rifle. Again, no idea what kind.
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>>42146125
The walking dead was so bad with that kind of stuff.
Calling berettas glocks, revolvers ejecting casings, ".44mag python".
Being into firearms makes it hard to watch movies and games haha.

>>42146126
>>42146127
You posted these once, not bad at all, esp with the rifle.

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>>42146126
>>42146127
Nice shots!

>Second was with a rifle. Again, no idea what kind.

Do you remember if it was louder or quieter than the pistol?

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I finally measured the thing

It's a 10x12" target and the black was 5.25"

>>42146126
>>42146127

Looks pretty dead to me

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>>42146222
I did my best to superimpose your photo >>42145175 with the blank-target photo >>42145147, getting the big black circle to measure 5.25 inches according to the tape measure in >>42145147. It's not perfect due to perspective distortions, but hopefully it gives a rough idea.

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>>42146249

Oh wow, well shit that's not too bad then.

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>>42146249
Impressive.

>>42146254
Nope, not bad 'tall.
Alright, you pick the next target/challenge.

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Hey! I finally killed the Pell. Bastard had like, all the hit points but I finally ground him down.

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>>42146259
RIP in peace.

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The black rear sights of my new PX4 are kinda hard to see in low light against a black target. I put some copper tape on the rear sights to make them more visible, in the same pattern as my Glock 48 rear sights. I hope this isn't too retarded?

>>42146259
Did the bungee cord snap under tension?

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I chopped up the A2 fsb and made it a low profile to fit this Centurion rail on here.

If anyone ever thought about doing this, don't. Just get a low profile and pin it yourself for maximum security. This one works but it's ugly and took forever.

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>>42146266
savage as hell

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>>42146270
I like it.

>>42146273
It really doesn't look that bad.
Its hard to ever get it to look clean, but you did a good job of it.

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>>42146275

Since it's covered by the handguard I didn't really care much beyond just getting it to fit. Lots of dremel work, so many metal shavings.

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>>42146132
>You posted these once, not bad at all, esp with the rifle.
Yeah. I think I told the funny story of me talking to the guy at the range too.

>>42146145
>Do you remember if it was louder or quieter than the pistol?
No. It was quite a while ago and I think we were wearing ear protection.

>>42146222
>Looks pretty dead to me
I think so, yeah. The reason the handgun shots are so spread out is because I tried shooting at different parts of the body, similarly to where I targeted two different areas of the body with the rifle.

To sum up my experience at the gun range, it more or less went like this:
Back to the Future Part 3 (4/10) Movie CLIP - Marty the Marksman (1990) HD

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>>42146276
I mean, just doing that is a lot more than some people do.

>>42146277
I think i remeber, but freshen my memory.

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>>42146278
Oh, well basically the guy asked me "Have you ever shot a gun before?" and when I responded with "Well not a real one." he gave me this really odd look.

See, I'd done a LOT of shooting with arcade light gun games, air-soft guns, those carnival BB gun games and VR, but never fired a real gun before. That's why my aim was so on point for a first-timer despite the fact that it was the first time I had ever fired an actual gun before. Just because I don't like guns doesn't mean I'm not somewhat proficient at using them.
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>>42146277

Let's see him do it now tho

>>42146278

Best believe that bitch is never coming off though

>>42146279

Damn kids and their vidya gaems learnin guns

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>>42146280
I was mostly referencing the fact that after I was done and the guys saw my targets they were like, 'Are you sure this was the first time you've ever shot before?'

So it was similar to the "Where'd you learn to shoot like that?" / "7-11" line.

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>>42146281

Do you feel like that stuff helped you

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>>42146282
Oh, absolutely. But only because I was serious about actually doing better.

All too many people I see play games hold the gun at their sides like it's a purse and try to shoot that way and it's like, 'The fuck are you doing?'

I take a proper stance, legs spread apart for balance, then I use two hands and balance one on the other, with arms held out in front of me so I can get a proper sight line. I do this even in the arcades and shit, and it's how I've always done things. So everything the guy was 'teaching me' about shooting was stuff I already did.

Literally the only difference for me was the sound and recoil, which I was able to get accustomed to after the first shot. My first shot was not very good (It's the only one that didn't land in the body frame) because I was not sure how the gun would react when I pulled the trigger so I was more focused on it not just flying out of my hands than not hitting the target. Once I understood how it was going to react I had no problems firing after that.

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>>42146283

I find that people tend to do pretty well using optics their first time but struggle with iron sights. I blame CoD.

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>>42146284
Oh well yeah. It's much easier that way anyway. The rifle had optics. I dunno if it was a full on 'scope' but there was something attached to the top for me to look through.

The pistol was iron sights though. Which is what I'm used to because that's how most modeled guns are in arcades, they don't come with optics.

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>>42146285
>I dunno if it was a full on 'scope' but there was something attached to the top for me to look through.
Probably a red-dot sight, if it didn't have any magnification. You remember a ball-park of how far the target was from you? Like 10 yards, 25 yards, 100 yards, 200 yards?

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>>42146286
>You remember a ball-park of how far the target was from you? Like 10 yards, 25 yards, 100 yards, 200 yards?

I have no idea, that's why I asked kinda what the 'default' would be for someone setting up a target for a relative newbie. They probably told me when I was there but I don't remember.

It was some gun shop/range in Vegas. Indoor.
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>>42146285

With all the tacticool jazz people throw on their shit in-game, I figure that it's more recognizable than looking at this

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>>42146288
Oh, yeah. No I didn't have anything like that. The pistol I fired just had normal sights like in >>42146270's picture. Only they didn't glow.

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>>42146289

Lots of more expensive shit has tritium sights and the like now by default, my M9A3 has sights that glow in the dark, it's comfy.

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>>42146279
So your marty mcfly.
Great scott!

>>42146288
Ive gone back to irons.
Would love a nice set of low pro hk sights.
Tritium all the things.

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>>42146291

A rifle without iron sights is not a rifle I would trust my life to. QD optics are okay though.

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>>42146292
My biggest concern is that it works as expected, every time.
Good irons do that, and inside of 100 yards, they are just as good as a dot imo.
Any farther, glass.

Since i dont have the money for something like an acog, tritium irons are the pinnacle usefulness i can afford.
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The ammo situation is really getting ridiculous 😵

I just hope that it doesn't get much worse before it gets better.

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>>42146344
It wont get better until after the election, and if Biden wins, it wont get better for at least 4 years.

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>>42146270

The rope gave out, either because I cut it at some point and/or due to friction rubbing against the edge of the hole.

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I just noticed that my RDB didn't come with any sights lol. Guess I'm going have to buy some before I try it out.

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>>42146396

Or just throw an optic on it.

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I've developed a craving for a 45/70 lever action.

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>>42146257

How about 50 yards with any centerfire bolt action

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>>42146505
Ammo costs tell me no.
My heart tells me yes.

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>>42146510
Reloading

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>>42146514

This, and also cast your own boolets. You can choose between 340gr, 450gr, 500gr or 525gr and probably others besides.

Now it is time for another session of: Snowbell pimps flashlights!
I like flashlights. They rank right alongside knives in terms of things you should never be without. I bought a Phantom Warrior white/green aviation flashlight last August to replace my Streamlight Polytac 90 as my EDC light. I chose it for it's dimmer switch. Obscenely bright tactical lights are nice for the odd times you need to blind some fool but more often than not lower brightness and thus also greater runtimes are markedly more useful. Especially if you find yourself out in the dark for an extended period and yours eyes get night-adapted and then anything much over single-digit lumens becomes uncomfortably bright. The dimmer switch on the Phantom Warrior lets you dial the brightness from ~10 lumens up to about 120 in normal white light mode. Then you can rotate the bezel one click and get a colored light, in the case of mine the light is green because it's Aviator's version but there's also blue and red options as well and you can dial that from <1 lumen up to about 20 and then as if that isn't enough there's also "TACTICAL MODE!" where you're back with white light but with brightness reduced to a level on-par with the green.

Now some of you kids might scoff at 120 lumens, but keep in mind I am old. Back in my day a light that offered 65 lumens and a 1 hour runtime was hot shit. So what's the runtime on the Phantom Warrior? Well that's the point of this whole spiel, I bought the thing in the second half of last August, I have used it just about every day since and just replaced the batteries that came with it on Sunday. In other words I got 11 months out of four AA batteries. Not too shabby.
That said it does have some minor issues. Those being: it is fairly large for an EDC light. It does take 4 AA's after all. That's not a problem for me because I won't wear clothes that don't have deep pockets but YMMV. The other issue is that if you hand it off to somebody else you're probably going to have to instruct them on how the switch works as it's not the most intuitive thing ever. Is still nice enough that I've passed-up Surefires and Streamlights in favor of it though.

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>>42146514
A fair point, and especially if I'm going to suppress it.
Of course, that adds to the expense. And all for something that I don't really "need", in terms of any particularly filled niche. Outside maybe trail gun, I guess.
But I feel like I'd prefer a revolver or such for something like that anyway.

Guess I could actually start hunting. Got a few guns I could technically do that with, but, 45-70'd be 'better' by large.
>>42146596
Some obnoxious processes for account creation to even see pricing, though.
Never understood companies that actively make it a pain in the ass to buy their products.

Too bad. I was in the market for a decent flashlight. One with a variable brightness on a sliding switch'd be perfect.

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>>42146632
>Never understood companies that actively make it a pain in the ass to buy their products.

Typically that's an indicator that they're a wholesaler rather than a proper storefront. Which means unless you are buying in bulk you probably don't want to be buying directly from them. I got mine NIB through Ebay for $40.

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Got the WASR today in a trade. Ended up trading the Scorpion, I feel like it was an even trade. I'd been wanting a stamped AK more than a PCC anyway.

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>>42146693
Nice. I always wanted a WASR, but at this point, I don't think that'll become a reality.

On an unrelated note, even despite warning other people about it all the time, I wasn't in my right mind and used Hoppes No. 9 to clean my SLR-107FR's bolt carrier. The damage was minimal, but there are some small spots where the carrier's finish was eroded down to the bare metal.
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>>42146698

I've had a few, they're good guns but when they were cheaper I tended to treat them as trade bait. I'll be hanging on to this one after I purify it of the tacticool.

You used the solvent on the carrier? Yikes, I usually just wipe them down and oil.

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>>42146698
>>42146701

Remember when WASR's were cheap and AR's were expensive? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

I recall once buying a ban-era, single-stack WASR with a canted front sight for just a hair over $200, taking ye olde Dremel tool and files to the magwell until it could accept standard AK mags, fixed the sight and then turned around and sold it for $150 profit. If I found a WASR for $200 today I'd assume there was shenanigans afoot.

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>>42146785

My first rifle ever was a WASR, bought it right after I graduated high school for like $400. I miss those days. The front sight on this one is slightly canted, gonna shoot it first but I might need to straighten it just a bit if the windage is too far off.
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I got a delivery of 2,750 rounds of .22LR. Cost was 9.7 cents per round including shipping, not terrible in this environment. Now I need to buy a .22LR gun so that I can shoot it.

>>42146397
I put on a shitty $50 Chinese red-dot sight. I'll want to replace with something better eventually (hopefully prices will come down and availability will go up).
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>>42147001
>be you
>hording thousands of rounds of .22lr
>has no use for .22lr

>be me

>shoots almost exclusively .22lr
>cant find .22lr for a decent price because everyone is hoarding .22lr

>...profit?

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>>42147008
I have more than enough for myself, so I'd be happy to share a good chunk of it with you. Contact me on Discord and I'll mail you some! ChainWall#7487

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Hmm, some of these cartridges are a bit discolored. Maybe buying from random people on GunBroker wasn't such a good idea. But hopefully it's just cosmetic.

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I want to get a ZPAP and put a normal M70 stock on it.

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>>42147079
They changed the stock to comply with US import laws?

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>>42147080

They changed the profile.

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>>42147081
>>42147082
Is it mostly an aesthetic difference, or is there a change in ergonomics too?

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>>42147086

Mostly aesthetic. Higher cheek comb on the M70 stock while the ZPAP stock is basically a normal AKM stock.

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>>42147049
Haha, i appreciate the generosity, but im fine.
I just think its funny you got so much ammo forna gun you dont have.

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>>42147108
>for a gun you dont have.
I fixed that issue today. :-)
I bought a Ruger Mark IV. I actually remember a few years ago thinking that I would get one of those as my first pistol to learn to shoot. Well, I finally got one, although it's my third pistol instead of my first, lol.

>Haha, i appreciate the generosity, but im fine.

If you change your mind as the ammo situation drags on, my offer still stands. I doubt I'll be using it all up any time soon, lol.

>>42147076
>Hmm, some of these cartridges are a bit discolored.
Turns out it's just cosmetic imperfections; I tested the ammo today, and it worked fine.

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>>42147080

The Saiga's import stock is a thing of... Well it's definitely a thing anyway.

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>>42147001
I've got a big box of 22 on my shelf somewhere. Never bothered to get a gun for it, though.
Always figured I'd get one of them nice pistols for it.

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Fixed the WASR

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>>42147332
It looks nice! What did you fix?

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>>42147354
He cant hear you, hes dead.

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>>42147354

Took all the tacticool stuff off of it and put on some good old surplus I had laying around.

THIS is as tacticool as an AK should be.

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>>42147402
>Not buying a 700 dollar Aimpoint micro and putting it on a gas block mount so you can fry it

Step your game up, senpai.
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>>42147440

>No dong

>Non steel/bakelite mag
>No wood

Bruh

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>>42147440

I ran a BSA RD30 on a Chinesium clamp-on side mount rail on my first WASR for years. Considering I paid ~$40 for the whole setup I'd say I got my money's worth.
I also ran the RD-30 on the PLR-16 when I had that. If anything was going to kill a cheap red dot it'd probably been that. It worked last time I used it, though that was probably ten years ago now. I ought to put batteries in it and try it on the Micro Roni or something.

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Ian finally tested the first gen reproduction FG-42 rifle in 8mm. I could see myself dropping $5500 for one or the other reproduction given Ian's experience with this example. An original select fire second generation FG-42 with scope and full accessory kit can go at auction for $250,000 and would be impossible to repair if you broke it.

First shots: New FG-42 1st Model from SMG

https://www.smggunsstore.com/

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https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/08/05/mp5k-sp5k-pdw-2020/

If I can find one close to MSRP, I don't give a fuck and I'm buying it.

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>>42147498
>MSRP $2799
>$80 MSRP per magazine
Yikes!

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>>42147522
You gotta pay to play in this neighborhood.

Speaking of the MP5 as a carbine, Ian ran a test on three 9mm with a Dead Air Wolfman suppressor. Guess which one Ian preferred? You know it works when someone states that the mechanism of the gun is louder than the muzzle blast.

Suppressing 9mm Carbines: Dead Air Wolfman on an AR, AK, and HK

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>>42147522
I'm not one to practice moderation, I guess.

I put my name on a couple of lists at local gun shops that ordered them.

Edit: I haven't bought my MP5 mags for more than 65 a piece when gunmagwarehouse had them. I won't settle for those jank-ass Korean magazines.I've used their AR-15 and P90 magazines and their springs are always fucking weak, and the P90 magazines I've used in particular jam every 1-2 shots.

>>42147529
>Ian ran a test on three 9mm with a Dead Air Wolfman suppressor
It's an absolute coincidence I just went and bought one of these today. I got the tri-lug adapter, too.

I guess I'll see how it works whenever my paperwork is approved.
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I'm building the M4A1 from MW2 for shits and gigs.

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>>42147541
Do they even make that gas block/front sight post anymore?

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>>42147543

I have it

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>>42147544
Then do it, fgt.

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>>42147545

I'm gonna. Already got that FDE furniture and a lower I'm willing to cerakote. Still need to get a barrel and the rail system/rear sight.

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Anybody here use a OSS HX-QD suppressor? I think I want one (I don't care about maximum suppression, I just want it to be close to being hearing-safe with a 16-inch barrel), mainly because of the reduced amount of dirty gas getting blown back and lower heat buildup. I've heard that the earlier models were kinda shit, but the current generation seems okay? The cleaning method is a bit wonky though lol.
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>>42147548
I've done some more research and decided to buy it. Now I embark on my NFA journey.

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>>42147793
God speed

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>>42147793
If you can find a Silencer Shop dealer in your area like I just did, it will expedite your process.

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I see the price of 9mm everywhere and I pray to die soon.

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>>42147890
You found 9mm for sale at any price? Consider yourself lucky. None of our local gun shops have a single box. Most pistol ammo has been sold out for weeks and stores are replacing missing inventory with other things like shotgun ammo, of which there's plenty to go around. Most stores also have plenty of 5.56mm NATO and hunting ammo in the usual calibers.

So glad I stocked up when there was ammo and good prices.

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>>42147890
Time to get a .44.

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>>42147915
>9mm unavailable

Solves 90% of crime in my Oakland, depending on block stockpiles.

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>>42147915
Just get 2 .22s, its cheaper.

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I bought a vertical foregrip and B&T stock for my MP5K and am going to apply for my $200 cuck stamp soon.

Pic related is the exact look I'm going for.

Electronic Form 1's are fucking quick these days. My friend got a stamp for his Bren 2 in exactly 1 month. I'll probably get it way before my suppressor.

I will also probably get it cerakoted, because the cheap Paki spraypaint wears off really quickly and looks like ass.
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>>42148105
>Cuck stamp

Why?

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>>42148110
Adding the stock makes it a SBR, right?

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>>42148110
The rubber pad on the PDW brace gets in the way of my ear pro, the receiver gets really hot when you shoot it, and you're forced to hold onto it underneath the trunnion if you don't have a VFG. Plus, it looks cooler if you put a proper stock on it.

I think those are all good reasons, despite all of the cons of owning an SBR.

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So I filed for my form 1 online yesterday. Other than the system being slow, filling out the paperwork was very easy.

Because I already bought a suppressor through SilencerShop and they took my fingerprints at their kiosk, I had them send me the fingerprint cards I needed for the Form 1.

It's a waiting game now.

Pic is not mine.
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Who plum in here?

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>>42148536
I see you are also a man of culture.

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Found this, made me think of you guys.
https://www.reddit.com/r/recoilbutts/

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>>42148540
ah fuck

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Time for a rare Vietnamese War era Chinese military semi-auto pistol with an integral silencer. This example is one of the cleanest survivors I've ever seen. Ian provides a tear down of the majority of the pistol including the suppressor.

The Type 64 Silenced pistol.
The Coolest Gun You Will See All Day: China's Type 64 Silenced Pistol

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>>42148540

Very nice.

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I think I shoot my Beretta PX4 more accurately than my Glock 48. (Pic related was with my Beretta at 5 yards; the big black circle is 7.8 inches in diameter.) Either that I've just improved. Either way, I still need to practice more, because I still sometimes get really terrible groups.

>>42147867
>If you can find a Silencer Shop dealer in your area like I just did, it will expedite your process.
Yup, and I finally got around to getting fingerprinted today at the kiosk today.

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>>42148612
>hubble takes shot of new galaxy far far away

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>>42148620
You forgot to add the caption "[date] ABY, colorized."

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So in one of the Song of Ice and Fire books Arya and one of her merry band were tasked with cleaning chainmail by putting in barrels filled with sand and rolling them around until the sand had scoured away the rust. That sounded like a perfectly reasonable idea to me at the time but when my hauberk got rusty I first tried to remove it with cleaning vinegar which is my usual go-to for such tasks. I then planned to dry it with ye olde propane torch but I failed to take into account chainmail's massive amount of surface area and thus also just how little heat transferred between rings.
Once I realized the kind of sisyphean effort heating mail with a torch was I tried instead heating everything all at once by boiling the mail in the vinegar. Outside of course. If you've never inhaled concentrated vinegar steam be grateful, cuz it is awful.
The idea was of course that the hot vinegar would quickly evaporate from the hot rings but... of course the rings cooled almost instantly once removed from the pot and hung-up. Thus the vinegar was left to rust the rings just as much as they had been before.

So over the weekend I went and got a bucket and 50 pounds of sand and did it the old fashioned way. The sand couldn't get all the rust from the solid rings because they're stamp-cut and thus are concave on one side but it still did a pretty good job. Now I just need to replace a couple broken rings and I'll be good to go. Though I was also thinking about getting a welded stainless steel hauberk as well.
I know a guy who has a titanium hauberk which weighs nothing and doesn't rust but also costs ten times as much as steel.

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>>42148774
I've heard good things about Evapo-Rust. I bought some and I'm trying it out now; will post update after it's done.

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>>42148774
For thin metal grates, you can low pressure sand blast them clean.
Can you not do the same for chainmail?

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>>42148777

Sure, would just take a while to get at all of it since there's so many small parts which all overlap each other. Putting it in a sand-filled bucket does basically the same thing but to all of it at once.

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>>42148776
The EvapoRust seems to have worked pretty well on my can opener.

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So I ordered a Yugo mags and got an M64 magazine with an M70 follower. Never had one of these before, kind of neat.

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>>42148911
those are the mags that keep the bolt open right?

heard those are difficult to come by

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>>42148914

They're not super rare but they're not the most common mags either. The M64s are less common than standard Yugos, I've never actually seen one in person before now and I've dug through literal barrels of AK mags.

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Here's one for all the Calico fans in this thread.

Gun Jesus runs his personal 9mm carbine with a single 100 round magazine he had just put 200 rounds through and was in the middle of adding another 100 rounds on the range. He stated this was a real world no cleaning test, so the gun was not cleaned. It shows half way through the video. It stated strong but fell flat when the failure to feed events began.

When it works, it's awesome. When it malfunctions, it's a bitch.

Calico Reliability Testing: Round 3!

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Got myself a CS M1852 Navy officer's sword. While it was originally a saber with a lightly curved blade it was changed to straight-blade spadroon a few years after the ACW.
A spadroon is the bastard offspring of a backsword and a saber and is wielded like a smallsword. While you can cut with it it is primarily a thrusting blade.
The sword knot and book also new purchases. The Influence of Sea Power is probably the most important text on naval warfare to have come out in the last 200 years and is responsible for the mass build-up of battleships from the late 19th to mid 20th century.
As an engineer I was more familiar with Alfred Mahan's father Dennis Hart Mahan who wrote the books on fortification construction and siegecraft used in the US(and by both sides in the ACW) through most of the 19th century.

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Getting a new knife tomorrow lads.

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I tried out some Atomic Tactical Cycling Subsonic 5.56x45mm ammo in my Kel-Tec RDB (20.5-inch barrel with a 1:7 twist). The ammo cycled just fine, but it seems to be keyholing at even 5 yards (lower right quadrant of pic).

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<= Close-up of the subsonic 5.56mm rounds from >>42149131

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I also got heavy leather clamshell gauntlets which fit over my Darth Vader gauntlets and offer a bit more protection when wielding polearms.

>>42149131
>>42149132

Yep, that looks like keyholing. That's the 112gr stuff?

>>42149103

What kind of Ka-nife?

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>>42149228
>That's the 112gr stuff?
Yup.

>heavy leather clamshell gauntlets

Nice gauntlets! Do they make it harder to grab and hold things?

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>>42149243
>Do they make it harder to grab and hold things?

A little. They're a bit too bulky to get into the enclosed hilt of a saber but then a saber's hilt is enclosed specifically so as not to require such a thing to protect your hand. So not that big a deal.

As regards the subsonic 5.56mm, well numerous things have been done to try and make a proper "silent" platform and none of them have really worked out that well. See 5.56 gets it's significant terminal effectiveness from it's high velocity and of course the supersonic crack of a high velocity bullet greatly reduces it's quietness. To make a cartridge subsonic you either need to reduce the powder load, increase the bullet weight or a bit of both. Now they first tried turning an M16 into a DeLisle-esque silent rifle in Vietnam. Fitted with a wet suppressor with wipes and using reduced powder ammo the Navy Seals who field tested them in the Mekong delta found them to be nigh-worthless as the guys they shot with them reacted less like they had been shot and more like they had been stung by an angry hornet. Clearly they'd cut the velocity way too much getting the decibels down.
Probably your problem is that the 112gr is just too long and heavy for the Kel-tec. Kel-tec's barrels and rifling are pretty basic.

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I loathe that you cannot ship deactivated guns to the United States from the EU.

I'd be willing to pay for some of these for decoration.

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>>42149271
I see. I guess things like that were the motivation for .300 BLK?

>>42149312
>I loathe that you cannot ship deactivated guns to the United States from the EU.
What do you mean by "deactivated"? Can't you just remove the receiver and ship the rest of the parts? Or is this a EU law rather than a US law?
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>>42149316
I don't know the regulations, or how they deactivate guns, but EU deactivated gun sites will explicitly not sell to the United States due to their own laws.

When guns are sent to the US for parts, the receiver has to be cut with a plasma torch in 3 sections (I think), with 1 of the pieces of the receiver being discarded so it cannot be easily reactivated. The barrel must also be excluded from the parts kit so that no part can be used to make an easily operable weapon.

Pic related.

That's just the way it is, nigga.
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A month ago, I placed an ammo order with OpticsPlanet for a price that I suspected was a bit too good to be true... and it was lol. I just got an email today informing that instead of taking 1 month to be ready to ship, it will actually take 3 months. Oh well, at least they don't charge my credit card until it actually ships.

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>>42149543
I had no idea Optics Planet sold ammo, but waiting for backorders from then us the norm, even when they say they have the product in stock.

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>>42149543

Yeah, Optics Planet is about as shitty as Cheaper Than Dirt. Best to avoid them.

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LWRC told me they could change my M6A2 upper's barrel from 16 to 10.5, and they could also put an adjustable gas block on it, so I sent it to them.

I'm going to turn it into an SBR and get a 5.56 can next.

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My form 1 was approved TODAY. Yipee.

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>>42149656
Thanks. It was a life goal.

It took less than 3 weeks to get my stamp approved by doing an e-form 1.

It's never been a better time to get a stamp if you're into that sort of thing.
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I'm THIS close to just going all in on AKs.

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>>42149687
Eventually I'll get around to buying one.

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>>42149667
>It took less than 3 weeks to get my stamp approved by doing an e-form 1.
Wow, that's fast for the ATF! Did you file as an individual or a trust?

I think I'm going to file an eForm 1 to make a suppressor. 3 weeks sure beats 7 months.

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>>42149690

Embrace your inner slav now

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>Willingly registering firearms with the federal government.

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>>42149713
i like this post

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>>42149713

I don't wanna do it either

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>>42149698
What would you say is a reasonable price for one?

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>>42149713
I don't think most people willingly do it, or do it because we want to. We do it because it's the law.

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>>42149696
I filed as an individual. My suppressor, though, I filed as a trust.

>>42149713
Worst case scenario, I'll lose them in some boating accident or some shit.

>>42149735
These days, paying around 1k seems to be the standard rate.

AK's aren't really worth it anymore for what you pay for them unless you like them and really want to have one.

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>>42149735

Now is actually the worst point the AK market has ever been at, most stuff is perpetually out of stock and what you can find is overpriced.

If you really look, you can get something decent for about $800. For that you can build a pretty nice AR with all the fixins.

But if you want that AK goodness, you're gonna pay to play. I don't believe that they are not worth it, they offer a different experience and have real strengths something like an AR does not even now.

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>>42149738
>>42149740
Well shit, that's disappointing. What do you guys recommend instead of an AK-47? Preferably something that can switch between automatic and semi-automatic (yes I know civilians can't buy automatic AKs).

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>>42149741

AR15

Still AK if you can get one for less than 1k.

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>>42149742
Noted. Looking online, I did see some AK-47s for $700-$800, but I'm sure it'll be different in local gun shops.
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>>42149741
>Preferably something that can switch between automatic and semi-automatic...
What did he mean by this?

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>>42149748
>hello fellow gun likers, i am a gun liker to. Please tell me, how does one commit a felony?

>>42149736
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>>42149743

Online prices are always better. Order online and have it shipped to your local shop if they'll accept it.

Or check Armslist and see if any private sellers have good deals.

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>>42149741
>Preferably something that can switch between automatic and semi-automatic
Don't expect to pay much less than $7,000 for a transferable machine gun. Plus, you'll have a wait of several months between paying for it and being allowed to take possession. And if you ever move to a different state, you'll need to deal with more paperwork and waiting.

>(yes I know civilians can't buy automatic AKs).

There are some transferable AK-47s that were registered prior to the 1986 ban. Here's one for $35,600:
https://otbfirearms.com/pre-norinco-ak-47s-56s-7-62x39mm-mg/

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>>42149763

God, I'd love that.

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>>42149763
Iirc any receiver built before 86 can still be converted and registered.

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>>42149762
Thanks, I'll do that. Is there an added fee when you have it shipped to a local shop?

>>42149748
>>42149757
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>>42149757
>??
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>>42149763
Yikes. I'm not that desperate, so I guess I may as well get a semi automatic.

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>>42149766

Just the transfer fee, but that'd be built into the price of anything you bought from them anyway so you might as well go for the savings.

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>>42149743
Avoid any American-made AK made by Century or Riley Defense or any other American company. The only exception for Century are the WASR-10's, which aren't made by Century at all, but are imported from Romania.

I'm going to catch a lot of flack for saying it, but Palmetto State Armory's new line of cold hammer forged rifles might turn to be an exception to the rule that American AK's are shit, but there's not enough information out on them yet.

In general, I'd stick with a WASR-10 or Zastava's PAP rifles.
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>>42149776

ZPAP is best bang for buck
WASR is best if you must have standard furniture
PSA 103s are maybe...here's hoping.

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>>42149766
For a vast majority of practical situations, semi-auto operation is better than full-auto anyway. For an AK-47 with a firing rate of 600 rounds/minutes, a 30-round magazine will last only 3 seconds on full-auto, and accuracy goes to shit. The standard-issue M16A4 doesn't even have full-auto, instead only three-round burst, semi-auto, and safe. Combat-effective machine guns are usually belt-fed and mounted to a massive object to mitigate muzzle climb.

If for whatever reason you need a higher rate of fire, maybe consider a binary trigger or a double-barreled AR-15. Probably a normal semi-auto would be best, though.

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>>42149779
Sometimes you need to spit 30 rounds of unbridled hatred at someone without regard for collateral damage.
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>>42149777
Nice sevens!

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>>42149793

Trips of truth

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>>42149796

Buck and Ball is nice. I like the Winchester PDX-1 12 gauge buck and ball.

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After years of apprehension, I think I've reached the point in my life where a .357 lever action is something that should have a spot in my inventory.

Though, i think a bolt or slide action would still be preferable, but not at the price/quality available.

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>>42149839
Don't be a fucking pussy.

Get a .45-70.

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>>42149840
I feel as though the phrase "weapons system" escapes you.

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>>42149839
What are the advantages of a bolt action over a lever action?

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>>42149843
You can go prone and cycle the action with more ease, and with the exception of old savage skip its, lever actions tend to be tube fed, and bolt actions box magazine fed, which means you can feed it faster, overall.

The price of ruger m77/357s have actually come down to where they are comparable to Henry Rifles so its looking more like thats a contender.
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>>42149767
>>42149776
>>42149777
>>42149779
Thanks for the advice. And like I said, I'm not desperate for automatic. If it's that inaccurate (well either way, really), semi-automatic is perfectly fine The main thing was AK-47 because I've heard a lot of good things about it.

>>42149844
I have a bolt action rifle that's tube fed.

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>>42149846
Nice, me too.

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>>42149846

You won't get anything select-fire with ease anyway, just go semi.

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do the chinese still make the type-56?

dunno why they replaced it with the shitty QBZ

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>>42149696
>I think I'm going to file an eForm 1 to make a suppressor.
Now I begin.

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>>42149847
I haven't shot it in years though. To be honest, I'm not sure where it is. For all I know, it's at my dad's house.

>>42149883
Will do. To be honest, I didn't even know they make semi-automatic AKs before this conversation.

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>>42149909
>Using plain-jane ball ammo
I bet AP or API would have taken one shot.

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>>42149913
>>42149909
Oops. I forgot my image, because avatar-fagging is important.
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Why is everyone itt registering their guns with ATF? After all the shit about the evil government coming to get them, its weird y'all are rolling out the welcome mat.


>>42149891
I thought we figured out it was a marlin?
You should buy ammo for that instead of an ak47

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>>42149913
They were using AP rounds.

Also, the lock itself didn't break. Just the shackle did.
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>>42149909

Those Squires are no joke. They're twice the size of the S&G 831 or 833 and those are rated to stop 30'06 AP.

My 831B is on the far right.
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>>42149916
>Why is everyone itt registering their guns with ATF? After all the shit about the evil government coming to get them, its weird y'all are rolling out the welcome mat.
because >>42149736
>I don't think most people willingly do it, or do it because we want to. We do it because it's the law.
Also
>I thought we figured out it was a marlin?
>You should buy ammo for that instead of an ak47
I don't remember, did we? The thread is cyclic, so those posts where I originally brought up potentially bringing it into a gunsmith to get it looked at are gone, but regardless, like I said, I have no idea where it is, so there's not much of a benefit to buying ammo if I don't know if my idiot father got rid of it, assuming it's at his house and not this one.
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>>42149956
There is no law that says you have to apply for an NFA tax stamp to and build a short barreled rifle or sound suppressor, and subsequently register it with ATF.

Actually, its against the law for the federal government to keep a registry of privately owned firearms outside that special circumstance. So dont just make stuff up, learn the laws.


Find your gun.
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>>42149957
>There is no law that says you have to apply for an NFA tax stamp to build a short barreled rifle or sound suppressor, and subsequently register it with ATF.
OK, yeah, there is no subsequent registering after getting the tax stamp. But my understanding was that normal civilians (i.e., without an FFL/SOT license) definitely need a tax stamp to make a sound suppressor or SBR. Is that wrong?

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>>42149958
ffs
There is no law that says you need to own a SBR or suppressor.

esp in the time of sig braces, idk what would compel anyone to get ATF involved with their personal collection of firearms.

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far as i can tell you only need to register shit with the ATF if you're selling guns or making guns to sell

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>>42149961
You have to if you want to buy/build an NFA item as well like a short barrel rifle/shotgun or a sound suppressor, or a pre 1986 machine gun (machine guns after 86 cant be owned privately).

Thats what im getting at, i dont think the advantage of those items outweighs the risk of registration.

>>42149958
btw im saying "ffs" to myself in that post, not you.
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>>42149962
yeah if you care about the government not knowing you have guns then it's not worth it.

if you just want to have those things because... you like them or whatever, then sure why not.

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>>42149963
See >>42149916
>After all the shit about the evil government coming to get them, its weird y'all are rolling out the welcome mat.

My question is why some of the same people who go on about how the government is going to do this or that, and things like registering a gun is a crime, then turn around and register their stuff.

Its like, how can you talk shit about ATF constantly, say they are evil and shit, compare them to things like the gestapo, then turn around and give them your name, address, phone number, a list of your fears, and an open invite to your house, just to own a stock, instead of a "pistol brace".

Myself, personally, wouldnt do it because i wouldnt risk 10 years in prison and 100k dollar fine over a clerical error.
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>>42149960
>>42149962
>i dont think the advantage of those items outweighs the risk of registration.
Of course there's a risk that the ATF might use my registration data to confiscate my suppressor in the future if Congress changes the law. But I'll take the (small, IMHO) chance of losing my suppressor in the future over the 100% chance of not having a suppressor if I don't buy/make one at all.

>Myself, personally, wouldnt do it because i wouldnt risk 10 years in prison and 100k dollar fine over a clerical error.

I don't think anyone has ever been sentenced to 10 years in prison for just making a clerical error in their paperwork.

>>42149964
>Its like, how can you talk shit about ATF constantly, say they are evil and shit, compare them to things like the gestapo,
I think a lot of that is just hyperbole/memes/shitposting?

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>>42149964
You're acting like I took your guns and registered them, my nigga.

Re-lax.

I'm not keen on it either, and there are more disadvantages to having an SBR, but I've never used a brace that I've liked.

There are some things I have that I'll probably never stamp because they're too precious, though, like my Zenith.

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>>42149969
I just made the one comment, the rest was just responding to people.

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Short Barreled Rifle Vs Pistol Brace

Relevant. though i haven't watched it yet.

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Fair enough, pretty fair assessment of the situation. Im happy he mentioned that you can actually avoid the whole thing by just leaving everything off the gun and just treating it as its own thing.
Personally, if i ever do another short barrel ar pistol type thing, i would prob just foam the tube and be done with it. i really like it that way tbh before the braces came along.
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So I've been mentally scripting a short history of the bayonet for a while and now I'm gonna inflict it upon all y'all. Be grateful(This is a threat).

[Part 1]
So I think everybody knows that gunpowder was invented in ancient China. Specifically by alchemists seeking to create the Elixir of Life. Because what else would alchemists be doing?
Of course it didn't take long for someone to realize this stuff could be made into fireworks and that fireworks made pretty good weapons. They started by lashing what amounts to an M-80 to arrows and what amounts to a Roman Candle to a lance. Which was no doubt pants-shittingly terrifying to whatever poor schmucks first encountered them. Well from the fire lance evolved the hand-cannon, which at the time was not a large-caliber pistol but a literal cannon mounted on the end of a spear shaft and touched-off with a match. Now it's interesting that they first took a polearm and mounted fireworks to it but then dropped the spear head from it to make the earliest proper firearms cuz not only was that clearly a mistake, it was a mistake that would take roughly 500 years to correct.
Why was that a mistake you ask? Elementary my dear readers, because that relegated the firearm to the role of an auxiliary weapon like the bow and the crossbow. Which was a problem since the bow and crossbow were superior to the gun in range, accuracy and rate of fire. The gun's only advantage was that any peasant could be trained to use it in a day or two and the muzzle blast, report and gunsmoke were quite demoralizing to men and horses alike.
The famous Swordsman Miyamoto Musashi had this to say about firearms in The Book of Five Rings:
<From inside fortifications, the gun has no equal among weapons. It is the supreme weapon on the field before the ranks clash, but once swords are crossed the gun becomes useless. One of the virtues of the bow is that you can see the arrows in flight and correct your aim accordingly, whereas gunshot cannot be seen. You must appreciate the importance of this.
Now firearms came late to Japan, that's because it was the Portuguese who brought them there and anyone who is familiar with geography will recognize that Portugal is about as far away from Japan as it's possible to be while still remaining in the "old world." They appeared there at about the time of the Sengoku period, aka the "warring states" era which Musashi was born into near the end of. Popular mythology notwithstanding the Japanese took to guns like bears to honey. They even made some minor improvements to the arqebus and musket as well as the peascod breastplate and morion helm. It would have been interesting to see what new developments the nigh-autistic Japanese might have come up with but when the warring states era gave way to the Tokugawa Shogunate, Tokugawa Ieyasu ordered that guns be turned in and melted down and the Japanese, being the borderline hivemind madlads that they are actually went an turned them all in!

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[Part 2]
Now that that little digression is out of the way we come to our next digression: The "pike and shot" era. Throughout history infantry and cavalry have fought for supremacy of the battlefield, new technologies making sometimes one and other times the other superior. The "pike and shot" formation was a case of Infantry gaining the superior position in this contest. It consisted of a dense square(later rectangle) of men armed with pikes(long spears) at it's core with arquebusier and/or musketeer formations arrayed to the fore and flanks of this formation. Cavalry, even heavy armored cavalry could not successfully charge into a square of pikes as, even if you could force your horse to not turn and go around it as even well-trained warhorse's base survival instincts would compel it to do, all you'd end-up doing is impaling yourself onto said pikes and that's assuming you don't get the shit shot out of you before you even get there.
Pike and shot lasted about 300 years give or take until finally, the bayonet came onto the scene.
The bayonet is sometimes attributed to the famous French siege engineer Sébastien Le Prestre de Vauban who served under King Louis XIV. To military engineers Vauban is basically a rock star. He designed and built some of the largest and finest fortifications the world has ever known and also turned the practice of besieging and conquering such fortifications into an art and science.
His designs are in fact, still being used to this day:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35863/the-french-army-is-building-renaissance-style-fortresses-in-africa
And if you like Warhammer 40,000, Storm of Iron by Graham McNeill has the Iron Warriors Chaos Space Marines besieging a Vauban-style bastion fort 38,000 years in the future.
But once again I digress.
Now, Vauban probably did not actually invent the bayonet. Like, he probably didn't have a Eureka! moment, rush off to the nearest smithy and hammer-out the world's first bayonet. What he did do is recognize that, rather than having two sets of troops, one armed with guns and the other with pikes why don't we just mount the pike head onto the guns? Though history does not record it, we have to assume someone immediately yelled "BRILLIANT!" while everyone else around him slapped themselves on the forehead several times for not thinking of that themselves sometime in the last 500 or so years.
Now you might look at a 15 to 20 foot-long pike and then look at a ~5' long musket with a ~2' long bayonet on it and think: "Well that's just not going to work! Aren't pikes as long as they are to keep cavalry at bay?" Well that's a reasonable concern but, nearly 300 years of pike and shot dominance had greatly reduced the commonality of heavy cavalry, horses are still hesitant to plow right into a dense square or rectangular formation and, now that pretty much everyone in your formation is armed with a musket you're able to put out a greater weight of fire before they even get to you.
On top of that, while it doesn't weigh any less than a long pike a musket/bayonet is much, much shorter than a pike and thus much more mobile. The "push of pike," where two pike formations clashed was a (relatively)slow and grinding affair which somewhat resembled the clash of phalanx from ages past which went on until one broke and ran. With musket and bayonet men would still march out into the field in dense formation but then once in position they could choose to advance via a rolling barrage, having the first rank fire, kneel to reload while the next rank steps forward, fires, kneels, and so on. They could retreat while firing much the same way as they advanced, though this was called "countermarching" rather than retreating to avoid the troops misunderstanding and getting all panicked. Or, and this was a method especially favored by the British they could march to within spitting distance of the enemy, have three or four ranks fire a simultaneous volley and then immediately charge through the gunsmoke with bayonets fixed screaming their fool heads off ready to bury cold steel in the guts of anyone who didn't run away quite fast enough. It was this method in particular which got people to thinking for the next 200+ years, all the way up til the first world war, that victory turned upon the point of the bayonet. Thing about that is though, that while it was the fear of cold steel that caused the foe to break and run, as B.H. Liddell Hart points out in his book: Strategy, it wasn't the bayonet alone but rather it and the strategy that allowed you to get the bayonet to within gut-poking range which won the battle. Hence why, when the British decided they should have their troops silently slow-march across no-man's-land thinking it would make them look all the scarier that the Germans didn't obligingly scream like a pack of 9-year-old girls and abandon their trenches, maxim guns, mortars and artillery. Shocking yeah?

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[Part 3]
The bayonet is no more magical a weapon than any other and like any other it is only useful in certain times and places. Some people would argue that they bayonet has been obsolete since WW1 cuz it didn't work then. Except of course that modern combat rarely resembles the meat grinder of WW1. While we also don't generally utilize the massed-formations that would call for a proper bayonet charge they have none the less happened quite recently. The USMC and the British military have both utilized bayonet charges in Iraq back in the 00's. I think most people here will have seen Black Hawk Down. One of the big reasons that incident turned into the fustercluck that it was is because the raids that Delta and the Rangers had become complacent allowing the enemy to shoot down the Blackhawks, and also, leaving behind essential kit. The movie makes a point of showing the Rangers leaving behind their night vision and their ballistic plates in favor of carrying more ammo but they also left behind canteens and bayonets. Without NOD's, once night fell there was real concern that they might be overrun at close-quarters causing them to also regret their lack of bayonets.
Having said that, the bayonet sticks around in the modern military primarily for 1) training troops to be aggressive in engaging an enemy at close-quarters. Even though they're almost certainly going to be shooting them rather than sticking them training such as the bayonet assault course and pugil stick combatives helps condition a soldier to get stuck-in and bring the fight to the enemy and 2) The modern bayonet, being more of combat knife than a spearhead also often makes a decent multi-tool. Many having saw teeth and a wire cutter, bottle opener and whatever else.

Finally, while the rifle/bayonet might seem unwieldy compared to other melee weapons unless you find yourself facing a knight armed with a proper, full-length polearm chances are you're gonna come out alright. While sources from the 17th and 18th century tended to imply that the sword was superior to the rifle/bayonet by the reckoning that the bayoneteer is going to be inferior in training and skill to the swordsman but by the 19th century the codification of rifle/bayonet combatives combined with their greater reach had reduced that to a fair degree and put the swordsman on the defensive.
In terms of massed formations, Scottish Highlanders preferred rather than the bayonet to fire a volley, drop their muskets, draw broadsword and targe(a smallish to medium-sized shield) and charge. Taking the bayonet on the targe and then running the redcoat through with the broadsword. Which worked well until the British began training to bayonet the guy just to his right rather than the one directly in front of him. So you'd catch that Scot on his sword-arm side while your buddy to your left got the one bearing down on you(hopefully).
Here in the US we have the Modern Army Cobatives Program or MACP. The Marine Corp Martial Arts Program or MCMAP, There's numerous classic texts on the subject like Cold Steel by John Styers, not be confused with Alfred Hutton's book of the same name about saber fencing, Bloody Bayonets by R.A. Lidstone(I need dead tree copies of both of these) HEMA bayonet fencing and if that's not weeaboo enough for you there's Jukendo which is the Japanese historical martial art of bayonet fencing.

Now, on my command! Fix! Bayonets!

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>>42149885

Yeah, they make them for export still. Euros get them cheap. Apparently quality has tanked since they lost the American market though.

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>>42149891

Oh yeah, most of them are in the US.

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>>42149979
damn it

we should be getting them cheap then

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>>42149981

Import restrictions have to go.

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>>42149978

This guy gets it.

That was basically a rough draft for a video I may or may not actually get around to making. I need to flesh-out the details and format a bit more yet.

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>>42149984
It was a good read, i dont really have much more to add, just absorbing the info.

Do it. The only difference between a youtuber and everyone else, is they did it.

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It's coming together

>>42150003

Want

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The Ruger AR-15 clone is on sale near me for $699. I kinda want to buy one. But it would be somewhat redundant given I already have a Kel-Tec RDB. I wonder what the chances are of the Biden actually getting legislation passed to classify AR-15s as NFA items. Maybe I should just buy a stripped lower for $100. TBH, I still think that AR-15s are a bit ugly; I prefer the aesthetics of the Mini-14.

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>>42150222
Aero Precision also makes really good rifles in that price range I'd recommend to anyone.

You just can't get them right now, or anything, really.

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>>42150226
This site claims to have Aero Precision lower receivers in stock for $89:
https://www.primaryarms.com/aero-precision-m4e1-stripped-lower-receiver-black

Sounds like a good deal, except I doubt I'd be able to put together a full rifle with good parts for a reasonable price in these times. Ugh! I just hope the situation doesn't get much worse after the election.

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>>42150227

If yer willing to double your money, you can find LWRC's direct impingement offerings for MSRP still.

[url]]https://www.gunbroker.com/item/877792525[/url]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/877869455[/url]

I have one of these, and they're great, and worth it.

I think their barrels are proprietary, though.

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>>42150230
That's a quite a bit of money! How do those differ from the cheaper Ruger model? Are they less likely to jam?

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>>42150234

>How do those differ from the cheaper Ruger model?


Depends which Ruger and which LWRC

>Are they less likely to jam?


No

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>>42150222

Buy a stripped lower and build your own.

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>>42150237

Things that are different:

>1:8 twist vs 1:7 (milspec) twist

>Medium profile vs Fluted A2 profile
>Proprietary fixed gas block vs low profile
>carbine handguards vs free float rail
>Muzzle devices are different
>Standard right handed vs ambidextrous controls
>Milspec stock vs LWRC CAR stock
>Ruger weird grip vs MOE grip
>Lower fencing is different
>Carbine gas system vs midlength gas

There's more but it doesn't matter.

You can build a better one than either for less.

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>>42150238
>fixed gas block
Oh, that might be a problem if I put on a suppressor...

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>>42150234
You get fully ambi controls, a heavy profile barrel with reduced weight after it is spiral fluted, and an accessory rail. I'd really recommend staying away from their proprietary rail and get the M-Lok instead, due to compatibility of accessories, and not having to buy LWRC's rail panels.

You also get a nickel boron coated bolt carrier group, and the bolt carrier and gas key are monolithic, instead of having a staked gas key. The rifle is still compatible with regular M16 bolt carriers, however.

They're underrated, and there are rifles that don't come with the same features that cost more.

All of these features don't make the gun run any better, but they just make it nice.

Rev's right that you can build a better rifle if you bought all of the components piece by piece, but if you're having a hard time finding parts and feel like you can't afford to wait, then a gun like that is a solid option if you need one now.

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>>42150239

If you MUST panic buy something now rather than building, the Ruger is the better value. You can change things like the gas block and handguard with ease, and the LWRC has a lot of gucci features that are not at all necessary for performance.

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>>42150240
It looks like a very nice rifle... but I'm having trouble justifying spending that much money on what is mostly a panic buy. If things get better, I might kick myself for not waiting for prices to come down.

>>42150241
Since I have no experience with AR-15s, I'm a bit hesitant to build one as my first. If I buy a whole rifle and a part is defective, I can send the whole thing back to the manufacturer and ask them to figure out what is wrong. But if I build my own, it's on me to figure out which piece is defective or (more likely) what I did wrong in assembling it. So I'd rather wait until I'm more familiar with the AR-15 before trying to build one myself.

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>>42150242

It's literally like putting together legos, it isn't nearly as intimidating as people assume.

I built all but one of mine, and the only one that had any issues was the factory built one. A stripped lower and a parts kit from a reputable company (I always use CMMG) will have you set up for success. Then get whatever upper you want and slap it on.

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>>42150245

PSA is fine, my first build was a PSA and I never had any issues with it.

Here's the LPK I normally use

https://www.primaryarms.com/cmmg-complete-ar-15-lower-receiver-parts-kit-cmmg55ca6c5

I would advise, however, that you look for an upper with a chrome lined barrel. There's nothing wrong with Chrome-moly Vanadium but the chrome lining greatly extends barrel life. Don't need a cold hammer forged barrel, but chrome lining is a must in my opinion. Nitride treated at minimum.

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>>42150242
>I'm having trouble justifying spending that much money on what is mostly a panic buy.

It's no matter. Whatever you go with, you'll probably have more money for ammo and accessories, anyway, which really does matter.

If you can find all of the parts you need and you can afford to do so, it is imperative you buy them now. If you cannot find parts, but can find a quality, complete rifle that you can afford, it is imperative you buy it now. I don't consider any of that panic buying.

Panic buying is buying a weapon for well above its value.

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>>42150285
>>42150289
Thanks for the advice! I'm going to try to find something this month or early next month, before the election. Chrome-lined barrels seem a bit scarce; I might have to settle for a nitrided barrel.

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>>42149097
Ian is a glutton for punishment. He heard from Calico and they made two suggestions. One, they shipped him a fresh striker spring and advised him to reduce the number of cranks on the 100 round magazine. They recommenced that 23 full cranks was the maximum and that anything between 18 and 20 will work.

So, Ian installed the new spring and used 20 cranks on the magazine as recommended by the factory. He also showed a close up of the action after 250+ rounds from the first three videos. It was filthy beyond imaging for just 250 rounds. So, he cleaned that to be fair and restarted the experiment with a fresh gun.

Hilarity ensues.
Calico Reliability Testing: Round 4, the Saga Continues...
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The Bundswehr just announced Haenel as the winner of the new service rifle contract.

Pic related.

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>>42150352

>keymod

>2011+9

Why?

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>>42150369
>>overloading rails meme
>>2011+9

It's one good way to prevent try hards from putting too much crap on their range toys.

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>>42150384

It's not even about overloading, it's about being the weakest choice of any rail interfacing system out there. At least use MLOK.

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DONG DONG DONG DONG DOOOOOOONG

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>>42150425
Faggot nigger.

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>>42150431

Thanks I hate it

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>>42150435
yeah u wuld, fgt

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>>42150439

BIG

MEATY

DONGS

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>>42150440
still fuckin' disappoint af that u nvr gave Pshy ur BIG MEATY DONG

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>>42150445
Nah, Spec is a sissy queer boy now.
Can't be him.

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>>42150445
I don't know anyone by that name.

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>>42150449

Doesn't seem like him. I miss that guy and his abomination Saiga.

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>>42150453
Well, that's just sad....

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Exploding Saiga ProMags

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>>42150456

Good dude, lots of good bros back in the day gone like that.

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>>42150463
Good thing, I know where he lives and all his secrets.
Wanna know them?

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>>42150464
It is required.

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tfw corrupting the youth with my .223 Wylde Stainless / or Nitrided propaganda, and GA is POWERLESS to stop me

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>>42150472

That would be rude wouldn't it?

>>42150481

>Stainless anything

>.223 Wylde
>Nitride instead of chrome

Sorry, old boy...

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>>42150705
Get with the times old man. Chrome isn't necessary for any amount or kind of shooting you, I, or this kid is gonna be doing.
Give him the tools he really needs for his first build.

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>>42150706

To be fair, I did say nitride would be acceptable as a last resort. But chrome is an investment in the future. Might as well spring for it if you can I figure.

FUCK stainless tho.

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>>42150707
Unless he's out to be building a machine gun anytime soon, a nitride barrel will get just as much longevity for him as a chrome lined.

>FUCK stainless

Alright- alright, I'll concede here. I still like what I got outa mine.

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>>42150708

A-Are you saying that...nitride is...

JUST AS GOOD?

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>>42150709
No, if anything I'm saying it's better for what he's trying to do, and there's no reason to jump for chrome. or say it's a must.

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>>42150710

It doesn't last as long though. Longevity is important in uncertain times and chrome lining will last longer. A quality nitride barrel isn't going to be significantly cheaper anyway in my experience.

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What's the deal with primers? I've heard that they're the limiting factor in ammo production right now.

>>42150310
Thanks for the links!

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>>42150716
>What's the deal with primers?
What do you mean? They have to make as many primers as cartridges, and its a completely different manufacturing process, so they can only make cartridges as fast as they can make primers.
Plus, there is a market for just primers that is also experiencing high demand, so the companies need to choose whether to make ammo with the primers, or make more money buy just selling the primers stand-alone.

I've been buying bird shot and emptying the shot and reforming it to put back in as slugs and buck, because i cant find 209 primers atm and i dont have any that i want to use for shotgun shells this close to deer season so ill have plenty for my muzzle loader.

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Shotguns are objectively the best type of gun.

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>>42150759
>What do you mean?
I guess I mean something like "Why is primer in shorter supply than propellant?".

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>>42150788
Ah, then the reasons i explained.
Reloaders are buying up primers faster than they can be made, and plebs are buying cartridges (that include primers) faster than they can be made. With these forces combined, demand is far surpassing supply.

On top of that, there are a lot more gun owners than there were 6 months ago, and they all want ammo too. On top of that a lot of these manufacturing facilities may be subject to corona distancing and staff limit rules.

Propellant dosnt need to be manufactured, i mean, it does, but it can be made in bigger quantities, faster. Its hard to come by powder atm too though.
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>>42150786

Indeed. Have some smol shotties:
From the top is a Geko 26.5mm flare gun with a 410/.45colt barrel insert. Some 26.5mm's can fire take 12 gauge inserts without difficulty. Hell the WW2 Walther's could fire shaped charge AT grenades but newer sheet metal flare guns like the Geko are best loaded with something less potent.
Center is an H&R Model 1908 12 gauge "lupara." Lupara is Italian and means: "For the wolf" the implication being that you would carry the thing inna woods in case you were set upon by wolves. Though, "wolves" in common Italian parlance could mean actual wolves or it could mean thieves or bandits. This goes back a very long way, You might have heard that Romulus and Remus the founders of Rome were abandoned in the wilderness and raised by a she-wolf. They would have you believe they suckled from the hairy dugs of a literal female wolf because that's just more amazing but "she-wolf" more likely refers to a female bandit or prostitute AKA "a bitch."
Luparas were also quite popular with old-school mafiosos like La Cosa Nostra.
This one had already been cut-down when I got hold of it, I just SBS'd it. It's neat to look at but it's rather a hazard to shoot as the break lever will quite happily split the web of your thumb under recoil if you're not careful. I've been planning to make a more effective pistol grip for it for years now but haven't yet found the motivation.
Finally is my baby, ye olde Ithaca Stakeout. For close encounters, accept no substitute.

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>>42150796
I like the eye-thacka.
I've passed on so many of them, because im a dumb.
There is a clone of a Remington riot at the LGS that im like ... i kinda need that ... about. A5 based situations kick like fucking mules though.

>>42150800
Pretty sweet "firearm" you got there.
I wish i had grabbed one before this whole shabang.

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>>42150801

Is capable of slam-fire too. Though the action is relatively stiff compared to say, a Mossberg and that, plus the pistol grip and the lack of sights limits the practical ROF a fair degree.

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>>42150804
I have a pile of 870s that fill all my needs.
I would like the ithica just to have though.

a win 1300 is on the list too.

What you have there is a speedy lock pick.

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>>42150805

I used to have an 870 with a 20" ventilated rib bbl and a 8 round mag tube, it was nice and heavy which ate-up recoil quite nicely but it would also rust if you looked at it sideways so I went to Mossberg instead. I also have a Winchester 1200 hunting model with a 26" bbl and a full choke. Many a squirrel and bird has fallen to it's wrath.

The Mossberg is my all-rounder. 18.5 cylinder bore bbl, 12" LOP Hogue stock, Meprolight nightsite, Kydex heatshield, side saddle, Streamlight magtube flashlight mount and all in a reasonably compact, lightweight package.

I also have the Saiga-12 if I just want to rapidly hurl a shit-ton of lead at something.


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