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/k/ General

The go to place for the discussion of weapons.

#Cyclic

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>>42149962
yeah if you care about the government not knowing you have guns then it's not worth it.

if you just want to have those things because... you like them or whatever, then sure why not.

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>>42149963
See >>42149916
>After all the shit about the evil government coming to get them, its weird y'all are rolling out the welcome mat.

My question is why some of the same people who go on about how the government is going to do this or that, and things like registering a gun is a crime, then turn around and register their stuff.

Its like, how can you talk shit about ATF constantly, say they are evil and shit, compare them to things like the gestapo, then turn around and give them your name, address, phone number, a list of your fears, and an open invite to your house, just to own a stock, instead of a "pistol brace".

Myself, personally, wouldnt do it because i wouldnt risk 10 years in prison and 100k dollar fine over a clerical error.

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>>42149960
>>42149962
>i dont think the advantage of those items outweighs the risk of registration.
Of course there's a risk that the ATF might use my registration data to confiscate my suppressor in the future if Congress changes the law. But I'll take the (small, IMHO) chance of losing my suppressor in the future over the 100% chance of not having a suppressor if I don't buy/make one at all.

>Myself, personally, wouldnt do it because i wouldnt risk 10 years in prison and 100k dollar fine over a clerical error.

I don't think anyone has ever been sentenced to 10 years in prison for just making a clerical error in their paperwork.

>>42149964
>Its like, how can you talk shit about ATF constantly, say they are evil and shit, compare them to things like the gestapo,
I think a lot of that is just hyperbole/memes/shitposting?

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>>42149964
You're acting like I took your guns and registered them, my nigga.

Re-lax.

I'm not keen on it either, and there are more disadvantages to having an SBR, but I've never used a brace that I've liked.

There are some things I have that I'll probably never stamp because they're too precious, though, like my Zenith.

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>>42149969
I just made the one comment, the rest was just responding to people.

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Short Barreled Rifle Vs Pistol Brace

Relevant. though i haven't watched it yet.

Edit:
Fair enough, pretty fair assessment of the situation. Im happy he mentioned that you can actually avoid the whole thing by just leaving everything off the gun and just treating it as its own thing.
Personally, if i ever do another short barrel ar pistol type thing, i would prob just foam the tube and be done with it. i really like it that way tbh before the braces came along.
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So I've been mentally scripting a short history of the bayonet for a while and now I'm gonna inflict it upon all y'all. Be grateful(This is a threat).

[Part 1]
So I think everybody knows that gunpowder was invented in ancient China. Specifically by alchemists seeking to create the Elixir of Life. Because what else would alchemists be doing?
Of course it didn't take long for someone to realize this stuff could be made into fireworks and that fireworks made pretty good weapons. They started by lashing what amounts to an M-80 to arrows and what amounts to a Roman Candle to a lance. Which was no doubt pants-shittingly terrifying to whatever poor schmucks first encountered them. Well from the fire lance evolved the hand-cannon, which at the time was not a large-caliber pistol but a literal cannon mounted on the end of a spear shaft and touched-off with a match. Now it's interesting that they first took a polearm and mounted fireworks to it but then dropped the spear head from it to make the earliest proper firearms cuz not only was that clearly a mistake, it was a mistake that would take roughly 500 years to correct.
Why was that a mistake you ask? Elementary my dear readers, because that relegated the firearm to the role of an auxiliary weapon like the bow and the crossbow. Which was a problem since the bow and crossbow were superior to the gun in range, accuracy and rate of fire. The gun's only advantage was that any peasant could be trained to use it in a day or two and the muzzle blast, report and gunsmoke were quite demoralizing to men and horses alike.
The famous Swordsman Miyamoto Musashi had this to say about firearms in The Book of Five Rings:
<From inside fortifications, the gun has no equal among weapons. It is the supreme weapon on the field before the ranks clash, but once swords are crossed the gun becomes useless. One of the virtues of the bow is that you can see the arrows in flight and correct your aim accordingly, whereas gunshot cannot be seen. You must appreciate the importance of this.
Now firearms came late to Japan, that's because it was the Portuguese who brought them there and anyone who is familiar with geography will recognize that Portugal is about as far away from Japan as it's possible to be while still remaining in the "old world." They appeared there at about the time of the Sengoku period, aka the "warring states" era which Musashi was born into near the end of. Popular mythology notwithstanding the Japanese took to guns like bears to honey. They even made some minor improvements to the arqebus and musket as well as the peascod breastplate and morion helm. It would have been interesting to see what new developments the nigh-autistic Japanese might have come up with but when the warring states era gave way to the Tokugawa Shogunate, Tokugawa Ieyasu ordered that guns be turned in and melted down and the Japanese, being the borderline hivemind madlads that they are actually went an turned them all in!

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[Part 2]
Now that that little digression is out of the way we come to our next digression: The "pike and shot" era. Throughout history infantry and cavalry have fought for supremacy of the battlefield, new technologies making sometimes one and other times the other superior. The "pike and shot" formation was a case of Infantry gaining the superior position in this contest. It consisted of a dense square(later rectangle) of men armed with pikes(long spears) at it's core with arquebusier and/or musketeer formations arrayed to the fore and flanks of this formation. Cavalry, even heavy armored cavalry could not successfully charge into a square of pikes as, even if you could force your horse to not turn and go around it as even well-trained warhorse's base survival instincts would compel it to do, all you'd end-up doing is impaling yourself onto said pikes and that's assuming you don't get the shit shot out of you before you even get there.
Pike and shot lasted about 300 years give or take until finally, the bayonet came onto the scene.
The bayonet is sometimes attributed to the famous French siege engineer Sébastien Le Prestre de Vauban who served under King Louis XIV. To military engineers Vauban is basically a rock star. He designed and built some of the largest and finest fortifications the world has ever known and also turned the practice of besieging and conquering such fortifications into an art and science.
His designs are in fact, still being used to this day:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35863/the-french-army-is-building-renaissance-style-fortresses-in-africa
And if you like Warhammer 40,000, Storm of Iron by Graham McNeill has the Iron Warriors Chaos Space Marines besieging a Vauban-style bastion fort 38,000 years in the future.
But once again I digress.
Now, Vauban probably did not actually invent the bayonet. Like, he probably didn't have a Eureka! moment, rush off to the nearest smithy and hammer-out the world's first bayonet. What he did do is recognize that, rather than having two sets of troops, one armed with guns and the other with pikes why don't we just mount the pike head onto the guns? Though history does not record it, we have to assume someone immediately yelled "BRILLIANT!" while everyone else around him slapped themselves on the forehead several times for not thinking of that themselves sometime in the last 500 or so years.
Now you might look at a 15 to 20 foot-long pike and then look at a ~5' long musket with a ~2' long bayonet on it and think: "Well that's just not going to work! Aren't pikes as long as they are to keep cavalry at bay?" Well that's a reasonable concern but, nearly 300 years of pike and shot dominance had greatly reduced the commonality of heavy cavalry, horses are still hesitant to plow right into a dense square or rectangular formation and, now that pretty much everyone in your formation is armed with a musket you're able to put out a greater weight of fire before they even get to you.
On top of that, while it doesn't weigh any less than a long pike a musket/bayonet is much, much shorter than a pike and thus much more mobile. The "push of pike," where two pike formations clashed was a (relatively)slow and grinding affair which somewhat resembled the clash of phalanx from ages past which went on until one broke and ran. With musket and bayonet men would still march out into the field in dense formation but then once in position they could choose to advance via a rolling barrage, having the first rank fire, kneel to reload while the next rank steps forward, fires, kneels, and so on. They could retreat while firing much the same way as they advanced, though this was called "countermarching" rather than retreating to avoid the troops misunderstanding and getting all panicked. Or, and this was a method especially favored by the British they could march to within spitting distance of the enemy, have three or four ranks fire a simultaneous volley and then immediately charge through the gunsmoke with bayonets fixed screaming their fool heads off ready to bury cold steel in the guts of anyone who didn't run away quite fast enough. It was this method in particular which got people to thinking for the next 200+ years, all the way up til the first world war, that victory turned upon the point of the bayonet. Thing about that is though, that while it was the fear of cold steel that caused the foe to break and run, as B.H. Liddell Hart points out in his book: Strategy, it wasn't the bayonet alone but rather it and the strategy that allowed you to get the bayonet to within gut-poking range which won the battle. Hence why, when the British decided they should have their troops silently slow-march across no-man's-land thinking it would make them look all the scarier that the Germans didn't obligingly scream like a pack of 9-year-old girls and abandon their trenches, maxim guns, mortars and artillery. Shocking yeah?

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[Part 3]
The bayonet is no more magical a weapon than any other and like any other it is only useful in certain times and places. Some people would argue that they bayonet has been obsolete since WW1 cuz it didn't work then. Except of course that modern combat rarely resembles the meat grinder of WW1. While we also don't generally utilize the massed-formations that would call for a proper bayonet charge they have none the less happened quite recently. The USMC and the British military have both utilized bayonet charges in Iraq back in the 00's. I think most people here will have seen Black Hawk Down. One of the big reasons that incident turned into the fustercluck that it was is because the raids that Delta and the Rangers had become complacent allowing the enemy to shoot down the Blackhawks, and also, leaving behind essential kit. The movie makes a point of showing the Rangers leaving behind their night vision and their ballistic plates in favor of carrying more ammo but they also left behind canteens and bayonets. Without NOD's, once night fell there was real concern that they might be overrun at close-quarters causing them to also regret their lack of bayonets.
Having said that, the bayonet sticks around in the modern military primarily for 1) training troops to be aggressive in engaging an enemy at close-quarters. Even though they're almost certainly going to be shooting them rather than sticking them training such as the bayonet assault course and pugil stick combatives helps condition a soldier to get stuck-in and bring the fight to the enemy and 2) The modern bayonet, being more of combat knife than a spearhead also often makes a decent multi-tool. Many having saw teeth and a wire cutter, bottle opener and whatever else.

Finally, while the rifle/bayonet might seem unwieldy compared to other melee weapons unless you find yourself facing a knight armed with a proper, full-length polearm chances are you're gonna come out alright. While sources from the 17th and 18th century tended to imply that the sword was superior to the rifle/bayonet by the reckoning that the bayoneteer is going to be inferior in training and skill to the swordsman but by the 19th century the codification of rifle/bayonet combatives combined with their greater reach had reduced that to a fair degree and put the swordsman on the defensive.
In terms of massed formations, Scottish Highlanders preferred rather than the bayonet to fire a volley, drop their muskets, draw broadsword and targe(a smallish to medium-sized shield) and charge. Taking the bayonet on the targe and then running the redcoat through with the broadsword. Which worked well until the British began training to bayonet the guy just to his right rather than the one directly in front of him. So you'd catch that Scot on his sword-arm side while your buddy to your left got the one bearing down on you(hopefully).
Here in the US we have the Modern Army Cobatives Program or MACP. The Marine Corp Martial Arts Program or MCMAP, There's numerous classic texts on the subject like Cold Steel by John Styers, not be confused with Alfred Hutton's book of the same name about saber fencing, Bloody Bayonets by R.A. Lidstone(I need dead tree copies of both of these) HEMA bayonet fencing and if that's not weeaboo enough for you there's Jukendo which is the Japanese historical martial art of bayonet fencing.

Now, on my command! Fix! Bayonets!

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>>42149885

Yeah, they make them for export still. Euros get them cheap. Apparently quality has tanked since they lost the American market though.

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>>42149891

Oh yeah, most of them are in the US.

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>>42149979
damn it

we should be getting them cheap then

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>>42149981

Import restrictions have to go.

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>>42149978

This guy gets it.

That was basically a rough draft for a video I may or may not actually get around to making. I need to flesh-out the details and format a bit more yet.

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>>42149984
It was a good read, i dont really have much more to add, just absorbing the info.

Do it. The only difference between a youtuber and everyone else, is they did it.

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It's coming together

>>42150003

Want

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The Ruger AR-15 clone is on sale near me for $699. I kinda want to buy one. But it would be somewhat redundant given I already have a Kel-Tec RDB. I wonder what the chances are of the Biden actually getting legislation passed to classify AR-15s as NFA items. Maybe I should just buy a stripped lower for $100. TBH, I still think that AR-15s are a bit ugly; I prefer the aesthetics of the Mini-14.

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>>42150222
Aero Precision also makes really good rifles in that price range I'd recommend to anyone.

You just can't get them right now, or anything, really.

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>>42150226
This site claims to have Aero Precision lower receivers in stock for $89:
https://www.primaryarms.com/aero-precision-m4e1-stripped-lower-receiver-black

Sounds like a good deal, except I doubt I'd be able to put together a full rifle with good parts for a reasonable price in these times. Ugh! I just hope the situation doesn't get much worse after the election.

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>>42150227

If yer willing to double your money, you can find LWRC's direct impingement offerings for MSRP still.

[url]]https://www.gunbroker.com/item/877792525[/url]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/877869455[/url]

I have one of these, and they're great, and worth it.

I think their barrels are proprietary, though.

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>>42150230
That's a quite a bit of money! How do those differ from the cheaper Ruger model? Are they less likely to jam?

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>>42150234

>How do those differ from the cheaper Ruger model?


Depends which Ruger and which LWRC

>Are they less likely to jam?


No

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>>42150222

Buy a stripped lower and build your own.

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>>42150237

Things that are different:

>1:8 twist vs 1:7 (milspec) twist

>Medium profile vs Fluted A2 profile
>Proprietary fixed gas block vs low profile
>carbine handguards vs free float rail
>Muzzle devices are different
>Standard right handed vs ambidextrous controls
>Milspec stock vs LWRC CAR stock
>Ruger weird grip vs MOE grip
>Lower fencing is different
>Carbine gas system vs midlength gas

There's more but it doesn't matter.

You can build a better one than either for less.

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>>42150238
>fixed gas block
Oh, that might be a problem if I put on a suppressor...

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>>42150234
You get fully ambi controls, a heavy profile barrel with reduced weight after it is spiral fluted, and an accessory rail. I'd really recommend staying away from their proprietary rail and get the M-Lok instead, due to compatibility of accessories, and not having to buy LWRC's rail panels.

You also get a nickel boron coated bolt carrier group, and the bolt carrier and gas key are monolithic, instead of having a staked gas key. The rifle is still compatible with regular M16 bolt carriers, however.

They're underrated, and there are rifles that don't come with the same features that cost more.

All of these features don't make the gun run any better, but they just make it nice.

Rev's right that you can build a better rifle if you bought all of the components piece by piece, but if you're having a hard time finding parts and feel like you can't afford to wait, then a gun like that is a solid option if you need one now.

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>>42150239

If you MUST panic buy something now rather than building, the Ruger is the better value. You can change things like the gas block and handguard with ease, and the LWRC has a lot of gucci features that are not at all necessary for performance.

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>>42150240
It looks like a very nice rifle... but I'm having trouble justifying spending that much money on what is mostly a panic buy. If things get better, I might kick myself for not waiting for prices to come down.

>>42150241
Since I have no experience with AR-15s, I'm a bit hesitant to build one as my first. If I buy a whole rifle and a part is defective, I can send the whole thing back to the manufacturer and ask them to figure out what is wrong. But if I build my own, it's on me to figure out which piece is defective or (more likely) what I did wrong in assembling it. So I'd rather wait until I'm more familiar with the AR-15 before trying to build one myself.

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>>42150242

It's literally like putting together legos, it isn't nearly as intimidating as people assume.

I built all but one of mine, and the only one that had any issues was the factory built one. A stripped lower and a parts kit from a reputable company (I always use CMMG) will have you set up for success. Then get whatever upper you want and slap it on.

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>>42150245

PSA is fine, my first build was a PSA and I never had any issues with it.

Here's the LPK I normally use

https://www.primaryarms.com/cmmg-complete-ar-15-lower-receiver-parts-kit-cmmg55ca6c5

I would advise, however, that you look for an upper with a chrome lined barrel. There's nothing wrong with Chrome-moly Vanadium but the chrome lining greatly extends barrel life. Don't need a cold hammer forged barrel, but chrome lining is a must in my opinion. Nitride treated at minimum.

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>>42150242
>I'm having trouble justifying spending that much money on what is mostly a panic buy.

It's no matter. Whatever you go with, you'll probably have more money for ammo and accessories, anyway, which really does matter.

If you can find all of the parts you need and you can afford to do so, it is imperative you buy them now. If you cannot find parts, but can find a quality, complete rifle that you can afford, it is imperative you buy it now. I don't consider any of that panic buying.

Panic buying is buying a weapon for well above its value.

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>>42150285
>>42150289
Thanks for the advice! I'm going to try to find something this month or early next month, before the election. Chrome-lined barrels seem a bit scarce; I might have to settle for a nitrided barrel.

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>>42149097
Ian is a glutton for punishment. He heard from Calico and they made two suggestions. One, they shipped him a fresh striker spring and advised him to reduce the number of cranks on the 100 round magazine. They recommenced that 23 full cranks was the maximum and that anything between 18 and 20 will work.

So, Ian installed the new spring and used 20 cranks on the magazine as recommended by the factory. He also showed a close up of the action after 250+ rounds from the first three videos. It was filthy beyond imaging for just 250 rounds. So, he cleaned that to be fair and restarted the experiment with a fresh gun.

Hilarity ensues.
Calico Reliability Testing: Round 4, the Saga Continues...

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The Bundswehr just announced Haenel as the winner of the new service rifle contract.

Pic related.

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>>42150352

>keymod

>2011+9

Why?

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>>42150369
>>overloading rails meme
>>2011+9

It's one good way to prevent try hards from putting too much crap on their range toys.

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>>42150384

It's not even about overloading, it's about being the weakest choice of any rail interfacing system out there. At least use MLOK.

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DONG DONG DONG DONG DOOOOOOONG

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>>42150425
Faggot nigger.

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>>42150431

Thanks I hate it

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>>42150435
yeah u wuld, fgt

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>>42150439

BIG

MEATY

DONGS

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>>42150440
still fuckin' disappoint af that u nvr gave Pshy ur BIG MEATY DONG

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>>42150445
Nah, Spec is a sissy queer boy now.
Can't be him.

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>>42150445
I don't know anyone by that name.

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>>42150449

Doesn't seem like him. I miss that guy and his abomination Saiga.

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>>42150453
Well, that's just sad....

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Exploding Saiga ProMags

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>>42150456

Good dude, lots of good bros back in the day gone like that.

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>>42150463
Good thing, I know where he lives and all his secrets.
Wanna know them?

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>>42150464
It is required.

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tfw corrupting the youth with my .223 Wylde Stainless / or Nitrided propaganda, and GA is POWERLESS to stop me

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>>42150472

That would be rude wouldn't it?

>>42150481

>Stainless anything

>.223 Wylde
>Nitride instead of chrome

Sorry, old boy...

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>>42150705
Get with the times old man. Chrome isn't necessary for any amount or kind of shooting you, I, or this kid is gonna be doing.
Give him the tools he really needs for his first build.

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>>42150706

To be fair, I did say nitride would be acceptable as a last resort. But chrome is an investment in the future. Might as well spring for it if you can I figure.

FUCK stainless tho.

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>>42150707
Unless he's out to be building a machine gun anytime soon, a nitride barrel will get just as much longevity for him as a chrome lined.

>FUCK stainless

Alright- alright, I'll concede here. I still like what I got outa mine.

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>>42150708

A-Are you saying that...nitride is...

JUST AS GOOD?

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>>42150709
No, if anything I'm saying it's better for what he's trying to do, and there's no reason to jump for chrome. or say it's a must.

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>>42150710

It doesn't last as long though. Longevity is important in uncertain times and chrome lining will last longer. A quality nitride barrel isn't going to be significantly cheaper anyway in my experience.

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What's the deal with primers? I've heard that they're the limiting factor in ammo production right now.

>>42150310
Thanks for the links!

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>>42150716
>What's the deal with primers?
What do you mean? They have to make as many primers as cartridges, and its a completely different manufacturing process, so they can only make cartridges as fast as they can make primers.
Plus, there is a market for just primers that is also experiencing high demand, so the companies need to choose whether to make ammo with the primers, or make more money buy just selling the primers stand-alone.

I've been buying bird shot and emptying the shot and reforming it to put back in as slugs and buck, because i cant find 209 primers atm and i dont have any that i want to use for shotgun shells this close to deer season so ill have plenty for my muzzle loader.

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Shotguns are objectively the best type of gun.

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>>42150759
>What do you mean?
I guess I mean something like "Why is primer in shorter supply than propellant?".

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>>42150788
Ah, then the reasons i explained.
Reloaders are buying up primers faster than they can be made, and plebs are buying cartridges (that include primers) faster than they can be made. With these forces combined, demand is far surpassing supply.

On top of that, there are a lot more gun owners than there were 6 months ago, and they all want ammo too. On top of that a lot of these manufacturing facilities may be subject to corona distancing and staff limit rules.

Propellant dosnt need to be manufactured, i mean, it does, but it can be made in bigger quantities, faster. Its hard to come by powder atm too though.
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>>42150786

Indeed. Have some smol shotties:
From the top is a Geko 26.5mm flare gun with a 410/.45colt barrel insert. Some 26.5mm's can fire take 12 gauge inserts without difficulty. Hell the WW2 Walther's could fire shaped charge AT grenades but newer sheet metal flare guns like the Geko are best loaded with something less potent.
Center is an H&R Model 1908 12 gauge "lupara." Lupara is Italian and means: "For the wolf" the implication being that you would carry the thing inna woods in case you were set upon by wolves. Though, "wolves" in common Italian parlance could mean actual wolves or it could mean thieves or bandits. This goes back a very long way, You might have heard that Romulus and Remus the founders of Rome were abandoned in the wilderness and raised by a she-wolf. They would have you believe they suckled from the hairy dugs of a literal female wolf because that's just more amazing but "she-wolf" more likely refers to a female bandit or prostitute AKA "a bitch."
Luparas were also quite popular with old-school mafiosos like La Cosa Nostra.
This one had already been cut-down when I got hold of it, I just SBS'd it. It's neat to look at but it's rather a hazard to shoot as the break lever will quite happily split the web of your thumb under recoil if you're not careful. I've been planning to make a more effective pistol grip for it for years now but haven't yet found the motivation.
Finally is my baby, ye olde Ithaca Stakeout. For close encounters, accept no substitute.

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>>42150796
I like the eye-thacka.
I've passed on so many of them, because im a dumb.
There is a clone of a Remington riot at the LGS that im like ... i kinda need that ... about. A5 based situations kick like fucking mules though.

>>42150800
Pretty sweet "firearm" you got there.
I wish i had grabbed one before this whole shabang.

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>>42150801

Is capable of slam-fire too. Though the action is relatively stiff compared to say, a Mossberg and that, plus the pistol grip and the lack of sights limits the practical ROF a fair degree.

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>>42150804
I have a pile of 870s that fill all my needs.
I would like the ithica just to have though.

a win 1300 is on the list too.

What you have there is a speedy lock pick.

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>>42150805

I used to have an 870 with a 20" ventilated rib bbl and a 8 round mag tube, it was nice and heavy which ate-up recoil quite nicely but it would also rust if you looked at it sideways so I went to Mossberg instead. I also have a Winchester 1200 hunting model with a 26" bbl and a full choke. Many a squirrel and bird has fallen to it's wrath.

The Mossberg is my all-rounder. 18.5 cylinder bore bbl, 12" LOP Hogue stock, Meprolight nightsite, Kydex heatshield, side saddle, Streamlight magtube flashlight mount and all in a reasonably compact, lightweight package.

I also have the Saiga-12 if I just want to rapidly hurl a shit-ton of lead at something.

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I got an email today notifying me that my Form-4 check was cashed.
Meanwhile, my Form 1 is still in "Pending Research". Apparently this phase is now taking 2--3 weeks.
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>>42150982
Yeah. If you applied to make an SBR I can confirm it took me 3 weeks.

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WOOD IS GOOD

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>>42151042
I was thinking of getting a Russian furniture set for my 107R but I'm on the fence about it.

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>>42151043

Do it fgt

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>>42151054
https://www.sovietstocks.com/folding-45mm-wood-stock-set.html


And then I found this, but I'm not going to spend 500 bucks on that shit.

That would make the FR look really nice, though.

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>>42151055

Yeahhhh not worth 500. I got a type 3 set for under $200.

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So yesterday when I went to camp to tear down the back porch I took the Geco and my Dad and I put a few rounds into the rubbish heap with it. Here's one of the results:

We were shooting Federal 410 handgun 000 buckshot and here you can see a sheet of enameled steel overtop of a thin sheet of plywood. The shot was fired somewhere between 12 and 15 feet away which is about as far as you'd want to fire a single-shot shotgun-handgun with no sights. The sheetmetal is I think, 18 gauge steel off of an old gas stove. Quite robust and it was laying at about a 20 degree angle and that ate-up pretty much all of the four copper-plated buckshot's energy so that only one then penetrated the wood behind it and that's probably because it remained slightly more intact than the others. You can see on the metal how the pellets struck the steel and rode up it for a couple millimeters before actually penetrating it and then you can see powdered lead spalling on the wood. That's pretty much all down to the metal being angled thus increasing it's apparent thickness.

410 is not exactly a top-class manstopper even when loaded specifically for a handgun but it patterned quite nicely and is nearly on-par with four rounds of 158gr .38 Special LRN.

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>How it FEELS to spend 100 bucks on 350 rounds of .22lr and 10 rounds of 00 buck.

Also, was thinking, if i sell all my AR platform firearms atm, and trump wins, and gets his nominee, ill be able to buy them all back for pennies on the dollar in a few months.
Might be lucrative.

>>42151079
A semi auto .410 with 000 is the closest thing to a subgun with burst you can get OTC.
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>>42151157
>Also, was thinking, if i sell all my AR platform firearms atm, and trump wins, and gets his nominee, ill be able to buy them all back for pennies on the dollar in a few months.
I'm not sure if it's legal to sell/ship a firearm across state lines, but if it is, depending on the price, I'll buy one of them from you.
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>>42151180

>I'm not sure if it's legal to sell/ship a firearm across state lines, but if it is, depending on the price, I'll buy one of them from you.


It is, just has to go through an FFL.

I've sold guns to friends in other states a couple of times.

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>>42151180
yeah can

like rev said, its gotta go through an FFL

which you should already know i think thats bullshit because fuck the ATF

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>>42151182

Total bullshit.

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>>42151183
i know this is an old lolbertarian quote

but the ATF should be a convenient store

and its true
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>>42151180
I wouldn't feel comfortable charging you 1400 bucks for what in 5 weeks will be a 350 dollar rifle.

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>>42151185

>Tfw can't just flip AKs because the market is fucked

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though there is something that i always wondered

what happens if a seller sells their firearm to someone who didnt pass the federal background check?

does the money return to the buyer and the firearm return to the seller?

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>>42151187

During a transfer the FFL actually takes ownership of the firearm themselves, and so if the buyer fails the check, the FFL is still the current owner of the firearm.

How the buyer/seller want to handle that is up to them. Sometimes there is a clause in which the seller will not refund the money of the buyer fails the check.
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>>42151188
huh, that seems kinda wrong to me

but eh, fair enough

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>>42151191

Basically don't try to buy if you can't pass the background check.

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>>42151181
>>42151182
Well that kinda blows.

>>42151185
Wait, so I'll be able to buy them (relatively) cheaply at a firearms store as well?

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>>42151198

If Trump wins, yes.

That shuts down any possibility of bans that people are afraid Biden will try to force, so the demand will plummet, driving prices down.

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>>42151199
Huh. I strongly dislike Trump, but I guess that's one upside to him being reelected.
Granted, Biden is hardly any better.

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>>42151193
makes sense

>>42151198
the process is stupid

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>>42151200

It's one of the only good things about a Republican in office, gun stuff flows freely and relatively cheaply because there is no panic driving up demand. In election years, this usually means a gigantic unloading of all the panic bought weapons back onto the second hand market which people can scoop up cheap as the panic buyers liquidate at a massive loss.

Best time to buy is in the months/year or two following a Republican victory.
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>>42151201
Yeah, no kidding. And it's not like it does anyone any good.

>>42151202
wtf I love Trump now, MAGA Trump 2020 etc.

Really though, I'll definitely keep that in mind and keep a close eye on the market

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>>42151203

If you don't get a stupid good deal prior to the election, check your local Armslist or shops around December/January. Guarantee there will be panic buyers unloading the stuff they bought for a fraction of the cost.

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>>42151203
im a gun anarchist

so you likely shouldnt be listening to me anyway lol
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>>42151204
Yeah, I just checked Armslist in my area, and most of them seem to be 700+, so I'll just wait. Even a lot of the handguns are pretty damn expensive now.

>>42151205
I wouldn't go so far as to call myself an anarchist. I'm more of a libertarian socialist.

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>>42151208
no, im only anarchist in a sense that i think the 2nd amendment literally means what it says

"shall not be infringed"

im one of those "the 2nd amendment protects gun rights, but..." types
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>>42151208

Everything is, and nothing will get better until after the election assuming Trump wins. If Biden wins, prices will be fucked hard for potentially years.

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>>42151209
but?

>>42151210
It really feels like this election will go badly either way. Honestly, the only candidate I like is Vermin Supreme, and he doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell.

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>>42151211

The good ones never do.

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>>42151211
no buts!

i stand next to the notion that literally anyone can buy a fire like you could buy a hersheys chocolate bar at the gas station

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>>42151211

Vote for me in 2024 and I will dissolve the federal government and take personal ownership of the country's nuclear arsenal.
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>>42151212
But what can we do?

>>42151213
I was asking about what you said
>im one of those "the 2nd amendment protects gun rights, but..." types

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>>42151215

About politics? Focus on local elections mostly. Just try to prevent your own home from becoming overwhelmed by shitters from either side.

The president matters a lot less than your congressmen.

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>>42151216
Good point. Unfortunately our congressmen are shitters in Washington state. Though at least we don't have a complete psycho/borderline white nationalist as a representative anymore.

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>>42151220

>Protestant

>Using Latin alias

What a fuck

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>>42151222
That's hardly the worst thing about him.

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>>42151223

I know I'm just taking the piss out of it.

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>>42151187
Its complicated.
For me, if the person on the other end of the deal wasnt a total douche, i would take the product back, and just keep the shipping costs both ways, but if they acted like a jerk and gave me a bunch of shit about how its somehow my fault they are a domestic abuser or a felon, well, tough break.

The funny thing about the situation is, failing a background check is technically a felony, because it means they lied on it somewhere, and providing false info on the document is a felony... soo, its like "well man, you can take me to court over your $175 hipoint or whatever, but you have to stand before the judge and admit you committed a felony while illegally trying to obtain a firearm" and that normally just settles the issue.

But like i said, you would have to be an absolute scum bag for that to happen.

The other thing is, like slav said, technically the receiving FFL owns the firearm, so if they dont want to give it back, well, im not going to take the financial hit just because you did business with a dick FFL dealer.

Moral of the story is dont be a prick.

>>42151198
Pretty much, this shit happens every 4 years. People panic and drive prices up because demand cant meet supply, then, when nothing happens, everyone forgets guns exist/they want a new car or whatever and stops buying and start selling and it becomes a buyers market again.
If Trump wins/appoints a 2a friendly judge, prices will plummet, if Trump appoints but is voted out, things will prob stay about the same, if biden gets in and somehow gets a court pick, .22lr will be $4 a round haha.
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>>42151224
What's the significance of the blue wizards? I don't remember them being mentioned much, except in passing. Even Radagast was more significant.

>>42151225
I guess I'll just have to make the best of it either way. Also at the risk of sounding like a dumbass, I thought long rifles and handguns of the same caliber (for example, .22) had the same bullets. Is that not the case?

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>>42151226
>I thought long rifles and handguns of the same caliber (for example, .22) had the same bullets. Is that not the case?
What do you mean?

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>>42151227
Well for example, what's the difference between a .22 handgun bullet and a .22 longrifle bullet?

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>>42151226

They fucked off to the East and the other three sort of lost contact with them.

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>>42151228

Nothing, there are handguns and rifles that both shoot .22lr

.22lr is what most people mean when they say ".22", but there are different .22s like .22 Magnum, .22 Short, .22 Long, etc.

Caliber really refers to the diameter of the bullet. For example, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, 7.62x51, and 7.62x25 are all .30 caliber, but they are nowhere near interchangeable.
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>>42151228
Well, there are 3 types of .22 rimfire ammo (commonly) .22long .22short and .22Long Rifle.

.22long and .22short are for all intents dead rounds, and .22LR is what people mostly are referring to when they say .22

Yes, both rifles and handguns pretty much standardized on .22LR, esp semi automatics.

These names were thought up in the late 1800s / early 1900s and were there to differentiate between different chamberings before LR because the defacto standard.

So, dont let the "rifle" in "long rifle" confuse you.

Next ill tell you about how .38spl is actually .357 they just called it .38 to make it sound bigger.

And the "magnum" in .357 magnum, is named after a french wine that came in a big bottle.

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>>42151231

I have some .22 short and my Savage 6A is actually chambered for all three .22s.

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>>42151232
Ye, me too.

What i mean by dead rounds, is you wont find a gun chambered in a .22 rim cart that is just for short or long.
Its ether all 3 or its just LR.

Also, shorts fit in any LR or L chamber, so they are ubiquitous, but afaik only 1 Remington semi auto will actually cycle them without you running the bolt by hand.

I run shorts through my 1022 when i cant find calibres, but i have to cycle it manually, and sometimes they dont play nice with the rotary mag.
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So I guess Alyssa MiLano called the cops because she thought she heard gunfire somewhere in the vicinity of her home and since she is a rich celebrity they immediately came swarming-in to save her. But it turned out to be some kid shooting squirrels with an airgun. But then the plot thins because she was apparently one of the "defund the police" types.

I could imagine what would happen if I called the police anytime I heard random gunfire. The first time they'd be like "OK, is it directed at you?" and I'd have to bullshit like I couldn't tell it wasn't. Then they'd be: "Well it's hunting season, you're going to hear gunfire, you'll survive." After the third or fourth time that afternoon they'd be like: "This is abuse and if you do it again we'll arrest you."

Or that's how it would go if I hadn't already deafened myself to the point that I can't hear the ambient gunfire...

But really, how focking privileged and affluent a sack of shit do you have to be to oppose the police and still expect them to come running because you were startled by a loud noise which was clearly directed specifically at you cuz you're clearly just that awesome?
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>>42151229
Huh. I've been listening to an audiobook of Fellowship of the Ring (I also have Two Towers and RotK), and I noticed that the eastern lands (at least those east of Mordor) are almost never mentioned.

>>42151230
>Nothing, there are handguns and rifles that both shoot .22lr
>.22lr is what most people mean when they say ".22", but there are different .22s like .22 Magnum, .22 Short, .22 Long, etc.
So .22lr just effectly refers to a "standard" size? That seems like a bit of a misnomer.
>Caliber really refers to the diameter of the bullet. For example, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, 7.62x51, and 7.62x25 are all .30 caliber, but they are nowhere near interchangeable.
Well yeah, I know that, both the definition and that ammunition with different calibers aren't interchangeable.


>>42151231
>.22long and .22short are for all intents dead rounds, and .22LR is what people mostly are referring to when they say .22
What is a dead round?
>Next ill tell you about how .38spl is actually .357 they just called it .38 to make it sound bigger.
That seems kinda bizarre.
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>>42151236
>What is a dead round?
They are firewire and .22lr is USB

>That seems kinda bizarre.

Advertising. Even at the turn of the century, bigger was better.

>>42151235
What a cunt.
Importaint question though, did the kid get the squirrel?

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>>42151237
>They are firewire and .22lr is USB
I see. Don't Macs still have Firewire though? It's been a while.
>Advertising. Even at the turn of the century, bigger was better.
Ah, figures.

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>>42151236

Yeah, nobody in the story seems to know anything other than that the Blue Wizards exist.

>So .22lr just effectly refers to a "standard" size? That seems like a bit of a misnomer.


No, .22lr is a specific .22 caliber cartridge, it only happens to be the "standard" because it is the most commonly used.

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>>42151237

It wasn't specified but it sounds to me like he didn't.

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>>42151238
>Don't Macs still have Firewire though? It's been a while.
idk man, i was just making an analogy, i didnt do a lot of research into it.

>>42151240
This is a travesty!

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>>42151239
>Yeah, nobody in the story seems to know anything other than that the Blue Wizards exist.
It seems kind of bizarre that Gandalf and Sauruman don't take them into consideration at all in the war of the ring, considering they're both Istari. Unless they just didn't care enough to bother.
>No, .22lr is a specific .22 caliber cartridge, it only happens to be the "standard" because it is the most commonly used.
Oh, ok.

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>>42151245

Gandalf was overcoming his own self-doubt and Saruman knew the Blue Wizards and Radagast were not coming to help against Sauron.

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Speaking of killing cute fuzzy little animals, season starts in 15 days yo!

I got my eye on some rabbits at work.

Doggo is getting anxious too, she knows what the cold weather means.

But to shotgun or to rifle? These are the pressing questions of our time.
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>>42151157
I'm worried that Biden will win. I'm still planning to buy an AR-15 in October, before the election. Probably a lower + parts if I have time, otherwise whatever I can find in stock (Ruger 556s are still available locally near me).

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>>42151250
You're rolling dice.

You might be able to wait and get it 75% off.

You already have a .223 rifle dont you? Didnt you buy that keltec abomination?

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>>42151247

I've always preferred my Winchester 94/22 for most small game. Short CB caps are great for popping buns without annoying the neighbors. Though the Winchester 1200 and No. 7 shot is better for getting squirrels out of trees.
Though the buns in my yard are so careless I could about walk-up and club them.

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>>42151252
I use CBs unless im at the beach, because then you get triple digit yardage shots.

A flushed rabbit is hard to hit with a rifle though, and im not out to impress my dog, im out to fill my freezer.
So, might do shotgun inna field/where there are a lot of mtn bikers and the rifle at the beach/when i dont feel like walking haha.

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>>42151251
The thing I regret the most is when people cry and complain about how they could have gotten the gun they wanted, speculated and waited, and lost out.

I'm not justifying buying from scalpers. If the price isn't steep, buy the shit now.

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>>42151254

Yeah, I don't really need to flush buns here, they're pretty much always just laying out under my apple trees. Is probably my fault, I don't persecute them as much as I could so They've gotten complacent.

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>>42151256
Jus sayin

>>42151257
Sounds heavenly. We had a few seasons of no rabbit hunting because there is an indistinguishable cotton tail, the new england cotton tail, that was endangered. Since you cant tell them apart from a distance, they just said lay off on all of them.
Now though, they are fuxking everywhere.

I use to be able to send my dog after squirrels and she would just catch them, shake them, and bring em back with no shots fired, but she has slowed down in her middle age. Fucking women, amirite boys?

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>>42151251
>You're rolling dice.
>You might be able to wait and get it 75% off.
True. But another possibility is that the price might double if Biden wins. So in a sense, I'm rolling dice either way. Prediction markets are currently slightly favoring Biden.
https://www.ElectionBettingOdds.com/
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3698/

There are still some reasonably-priced basic AR-15s available near me, e.g.:
$699 Ruger: https://www.dunhamssports.com/product/ar-556_semi-auto_rifle/W0000074645.html?cgid=00399
$649 S&W: https://www.dunhamssports.com/product/m-p_15_sport_ii_semi-auto_rifle/W0000074652.html?cgid=00399

>You already have a .223 rifle dont you? Didnt you buy that keltec abomination?

Indeed I did! So I don't really need the AR-15 for home-defense. (The Kel-Tec RDB, being a bullpup, will probably be better for me anyway with the 10-inch suppressor that I'm planning to build as soon as I get my stamp.) But I'm worried that AR-15s might get super-expensive if Biden wins. I guess mainly fear of missing out.

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>>42151259

Years back deer had been about hunted-out. PA Game Commission is second only to Penndot in corruption and incompetence but then they made some reforms and now we're rotten with deer again. Bear and elk are getting pretty numerous too. Haven't seen a flying squirrel, a red squirrel or any form of wiesel in quite a while though.
Here's a couple of red squirrels I caught in a box trap about 10 years ago though. I was trying to catch a feral cat but got them instead. I set them loose in the state park up the road afterward.

Also there was a groundhog living in the crawlspace under my house but I'm pretty sure it got hit by a car or something, crawled under there and died because my back porch stunk like death for a couple days a week or so ago. I wasn't about to crawl under there and see though.

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Sorry, did a sleep
>>42151262
Yeah, thats what i meant by rolling the dice.
What are these prediction markets you keep posting, and why do you put so much faith in them?

649 for an SW sport isnt bad, personally, i would go with the smith over the ruger, its less proprietary.

The only thing that makes the AR worth having over any other .223 rifle is its ubiquitous-ness.

>>42151263
How are you with hogs and coyotes? Might explain the lack of smol game if they are getting high in population. I keep a few stingers with me incase i see a yote, because they are getting pretty bad here.

I think my dog ate my groundhog. Lysol that shit.

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>>42151277
>What are these prediction markets you keep posting
It's like a stock market, except instead of stocks, people are buying and selling contracts that pay either $1 or $0, depending on whether a prediction comes true. There's an exchange, and you can place an open order like "Buy 50 shares of 'Trump wins' for $0.45 each". When someone else is willing to take the other side ("Buy shares of 'Trump loses' for $0.55 each"), a match happens.

It's kinda like crowd-sourcing to estimate the probability of an event occurring. By having people "put their money where their mouth is", it is thought that people will be more honest (instead of just rooting for their favored outcome) and also that people who are more knowledgeable will wager more than the ignorant.

>why do you put so much faith in them?

They have a pretty good track record. Certainly better than polling was for the 2016 presidential election.

Nate Silver gives Biden even more of a lead in winning the electoral college, 77% for Biden vs 22% for Trump. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

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>>42151299
My name fell off.

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>>42151299
Who is nate silver, and why should i give a shit what they think?

>>42151300
Happens to the best of us.

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>>42151302
>Who is nate silver
Nate Silver is a statistician who analyzes baseball and elections. He was named one of The World's 100 Most Influential People by Time in 2009 after an election forecasting system he developed successfully predicted the outcomes in 49 of the 50 states in the 2008 presidential election. In the 2012 presidential election, the forecasting system correctly predicted the winner of all 50 states and the District of Columbia. FiveThirtyEight, like many outlets, failed to anticipate the rise of Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential primaries. However, the 30% chance of victory they gave Trump going into election day was significantly higher than that of most other analysts.
Source: Wikipedia

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>>42151277

No hogs, coyotes are varmints and get the shit hunted out of them so there's not that many, but occasionally someone will bag one which is nearly the size of a german shepard and people will get all uppity for fear they babbies gonna get eaten.

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Once PSA releases their side folding 74's, I'll have to get one.

The 74 market is bullshit, man. I regret ever selling the one I had.

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>>42151369

Remember when AK's were cheap and common and AR's were rare and expensive?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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>>42151398
What's the rifle in that image?

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>>42151411
>>42151398
Won't let me edit >.<

That's a Mosin, though, figured it out!

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So by now you've probably all heard about the Breonna Taylor case blowing-up yesterday. It sounds like all the cities are on fire again as a result. Well I've been contemplating the facts of the case last night and at work today and now I'm gonna put on Armchair General's hat and judge the shit out of it.

So, full disclosure, my first reflexive instinct on hearing about the Breonna Taylor case was that it was fucking bullshit. I see no reason why, in a supposedly free country anybody should be forced to wonder if the armed men breaking into their home in the middle of the night yelling: "Police! Police We're the police!" are 1) Actually police and not just criminals impersonating them to better effect a home invasion and: 2) Even if they are Police that they aren't still just acting criminally. Then also, citizens of a free country should have every right to defend themselves against anyone breaking into the their homes in the middle of the night, be they agents of the state or otherwise. We are after all innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and it is wholly unreasonable to expect an innocent person to assume that a sudden, violent assault on their home, family and person is being perpetrated in good faith by righteous authorities.
The prevailing narrative on the Taylor case was that it was a "no-knock" raid. Those already having suspect legal and moral justification in the public eye already. Well with the recent rulings the media has been quick to point-out that it was not in fact, a no-knock raid. The police did in fact knock and announce themselves but when nobody came to the door in a timely manner they then chose to breach the door. Well some would have you believe that because they knocked and announced themselves they were then justified in breaking down the door and then when Taylor's boyfriend quite reasonably shot one of them they were then also justified in mag-dumping into the room and in doing so, killing Taylor.
Except that there was no tactical justification for breaching the door in the first place. Such an action would be justified if they had reasonable suspicion that there was a violent crime in progress but there was no such suspicion, they were there to pick up a guy on a drug charge. Furthermore, a breaching action works best when you have the element of surprise, ideally the guys you are there to nab won't you're even there until you're already through the door and jamming your gun in their face. But when you knock and announce yourself first you not only throw surprise right out the window you also surrender the initiative to whoever is inside, giving them plenty of opportunity to arm themselves and get ready for fire upon you when you come through the door and surprise! surprise! that is precisely what happened! Whodathunkit?
So what are they supposed to do then? Just give up and go home? That'd be anarchy! and besides that, their superiors expect results yeah? Gotta catch them nasty criminals.
Sure, they gotta do their jobs but if they had the tactical acumen or the sense of self-preservation that God gave a pissant they'd have realized that charging face-first into a fatal funnel is how one engineers either a tragedy or a comedy. Instead of getting shot-at what would it have looked like if nobody was home? Now you've blown your load early and there's a fair chance the guy you're after is going to hear about it and be all the more difficult to nab. The smart move would have been to fall-back and set-up a stakeout. If there's somebody in there they'll have come out eventually and if they're not there you can scoop them up when they do drop-by. A stakeout might be boring as fuck but, it puts the initiative back in your court and more importantly, boring is good. Tactical! Dynamic! Breaching! Operations! and running gunfights might be glorious and all but well, glory is for martyrs and martyrs only get their crowns in heaven. If you want to be in this game for the long-haul you're going suffer the boring and the tedious and do your best to avoid running-around with your dick swinging in the wind.
The fact is Breonna Taylor is dead solely because the police chose to assault her apartment unprovoked, and no, a warrant does not qualify as provocation. Just because a court said they were allowed to break down the door doesn't mean they needed to go about it the way they did. That is almost certainly due to incompetence rather than malice, I do not believe they were just out looking to execute a brown person because systemic racism or whatever. But incompetence is often just as, if not more lethal than malice. Accidents and tragedies can and will happen, it is part and parcel of life and the human condition. But a lot of horrible things can be avoided by not being a mouth-breathing, window-licking retard and personally I am of the opinion that if we wish to continue employing police and granting them privileges and authority beyond that of we mere "civilians" then we need to ensure that they are held to a standard of training and personal initiative at least slightly above that of a common fast-food burger flipper and, despite very loud claims to the contrary I think the vast majority of people do want to keep the police around.

>>42151411
>>42151412


A Finnish Mosin-Nagant specifically. Note the shape of the front sight.

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>>42151413
I did notice what appears to be a cleaning rod (?) which isn't visible on the pictures of the M-N I've found. Is that what you're referring to?

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>>42151414

Russian and most other M-N's have round,fully shrouded front sights. Finnish Nagants have U-shaped, open-topped front sights. The cleaning rods and some of the other bits of furniture also vary but that's one of the more obvious indicators.

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>>42151422
Oh okay. That's neat. Thanks.

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>>42151413
No one cares about facts anymore.

There is a loud minority that is using every excuse to undermine the institutions of our country and launch a communist revolution. We are watching it happen right now.

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>>42151413
Agreed.

Though, the only evidence that ive seen that says they knocked and announced is their own word, and the word of one neighbor, which still differs from the police account. I've also seen that the "no knock" was recalled before the raid, but, who can trust any evidence of anything atm?

Regardless, even if it was all done by the book, imo, this is actually a situation worth being royally pissed off about, because it sets the precedent that if someone busts down your door in the middle of the night that
A)You need to ask if they are the police before defending yourself, and if they say "yes" or they say nothing at all, you are expected to lay down your arms and assume the fetal position and let them molest you in any way they want
and
B)If they truly are law enforcement, they have the right to indiscriminately kill everything in their way, innocent or guilty, without fear of consequences.

Both situations dont bide well for the citizen at large. The police need to be able to do their jobs, yes, but they shouldn't be allowed the leeway of running a tank through a neighbors house killing all within, to accomplish their goal of picking up a low level drug offender.

We should at least hold the police on our own soil to the same standards that we hold soldiers in a war zone.

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>>42151426

Indeed.

>>42151435
>We should at least hold the police on our own soil to the same standards that we hold soldiers in a war zone.

At the very least. A lot of them do try to play like they're an occupying military which is all fun and games until the locals start seeing them that way and they start suffering equivalent levels of attrition. Even disregarding that they don't have the stomach to suffer routine casualties, their organization also is designed to handle it. The short of it is that they have no reserves. There's no fresh companies in the rear that can be called-up to replace your losses. You can try to hire more, but in even good times the pay is shit and the hours are long and if your officers are getting capped in the back of the head while they're standing in line at the 7-11 or while they're parked behind a billboard along the highway ain't nobody gonna want in on that and if, everyone is that hostile to you they're probably not going to cut your husband, wife, kids, parents etc much slack either. That's the prime difference between a police force and an occupying military IMHO. The miltary may be in the shit but they go to sleep in dugouts or behind Hesco bastions and sandbags while their family is safe on the far side of the world. Police are an integral part of the community or they're supposed to be anyway. Invested in the community and invested into by the community. Once they cease to be a part of the community they're effectively a rat in a pit of vipers. Or a viper in a pit of mongooses... Or would that be mongeese?

Speaking of geese we need to install flak batteries along the Canadian border to keep those honking assholes from flying over our houses in 4am.

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>>42151426
I wouldn't call what's going on the start of a communist revolution, jussaiyan.

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>>42151436
Well, they have kind of built themselves up to be seen in that light, or at least, its been done on their behalf and they haven't tried to stop it. I take especial offense to being called a "civilian" in contrast to a police officer. We are both civilians.

Fact of the matter is, i wouldnt know where to begin to untangle this situation, as it seems to be snowballing. The more people protest, the more the police seem to distance themselves from the community at large, not to mention, if they are the occupying force, they are occupying on behalf of politicians, which, is a no win situation.
But you are right, their ranks wouldnt be readily reinforced, which in of itself is a problem, because without them, it becomes the preview of the various national guards'.

Idk man, too many sides to this, no good ending. If it did come down to civil war in this country it would be a clusterfuck the likes of which we've never seen, as no 2 people can seem to agree on anything and only live to purity test each other.

Also, a punt gun should do just fine, and look a lot cooler. Good question on the mongoose vocabulary, i dont have an answer, except to say i hope its mongeese.

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>>42151413
>>42151435
Aye, the cops really clearly fucked up in this incident. And not just the individual officers, but the whole system.

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>>42151441
>>42151413
>I am of the opinion that if we wish to continue employing police and granting them privileges and authority beyond that of we mere "civilians" then we need to ensure that they are held to a standard of training and personal initiative at least slightly above that of a common fast-food burger flipper

One thing this brings to mind, but is seldom talked about is this
https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

You are disqualified from being a police officer in many places if you score too high on an IQ test. The theory being, if you are too smart, you will get bored with your work, or worse, think about the orders you're given/your response to a situation, rather than just acting.

I've always found that to be an interesting notion.

The thing that, at least from my perspective, people dont seem to realize, is that all these people who are in positions of authority, police, doctors, politicians, ect... they are just normal shmucks like themselves, not deities. Yet, we tend to apply the expectation perfection to them, and get upset when it doesn't happen/deny it ever does happen. Whichever suites the situation best.

One thing that certainly isn't helping is the fact that living our lives continues to become more and more criminalized.
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>>42151442
>The thing that, at least from my perspective, people dont seem to realize, is that all these people who are in positions of authority, police, doctors, politicians, ect... they are just normal shmucks like themselves, not deities. Yet, we tend to apply the expectation perfection to them, and get upset when it doesn't happen/deny it ever does happen.

Ya, and that is something of an inversion of how it was in say, medieval times. Back when access to information was far more limited people tended to be far more specialized. If your father was a blacksmith there was a better than fair chance you would become a blacksmith too and likewise if your father was king there's a pretty good chance you'd be king after him because the only way to get a practical education in such things is by direct transmission. Of course that eventually lead to rulers who believed they ruled by divine mandate rather than simply because they'd been trained for it. But you know, whatever.
Today our pool of knowledge is far deeper than it was back then and our access to that knowledge so much greater that it is just downright obscene but despite, and as a consequence of that the vast, vast majority of that collective knowledge sets separate from "us." Most of what "we" "know" exists not in our heads but on the internet and in books. So long as we can maintain free access to that knowledge it's all well and good. But if we lose that access then we are very thoroughly fucked. Becuase our society has scaled not to us as people but to our knowledge and our industrial capacity which has also far-outstripped our physical capacity and much of which was built in a now bygone age using energy sources and materials which are much depleted or simply no longer exist.
Thus even though we "know" more than the people of the past we also need to know more just to keep things going and meanwhile we are just as silly and superstitious as we've always been. This leads to some truly amusing nonsense, like back in the day a natural disaster might be attributed to a wrathful god. Today, "God is dead." So instead it's a government conspiracy, it's climate change or HAARP, Trump, China, the 1% or the Illuminati causing it all.
Well at the very least it is more useful to blame governments for shit than it is to expect them to save you from it. Some Celtic tribes would elect a chief and, if he didn't materially improve his tribe's quality of life they would cave-in his skull and toss his corpse into the nearest peat bog. I think maybe we should bring that system back.

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>>42151446
>back in the day a natural disaster might be attributed to a wrathful god. Today, "God is dead." So instead it's a government conspiracy, it's climate change or HAARP, Trump, China, the 1% or the Illuminati causing it all.
Thats the truth. Killed our scapegoat, but still need one.
A quick and easy explanation for why life isn't perfect must be had, and all we have left is each other to blame.

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>>42151398

Better days, truly.

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>>42151413

You should be able to mag dump on anyone who breaks into your home regardless of the circumstances.

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>>42151582
I agree and would take it a step even further. You should be able to waste them even if they start to run away.

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>>42151583

Unless they're off your property they're still a threat. I wouldn't call it a moral decision to kill someone who is obviously fleeing, but it ought to be within the rights of the invaded to do so.

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An argument of lawyers discussing the Breonna Taylor case:
What MSM is NOT Telling you about Breonna Taylor - Viva Frei Stream HIGHLIGHT

Also, a group of lawyers is called an "argument."

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>>42151601
This was a pretty good breakdown.
Still supports the notion that this was a complete clusterfuck from the get-go though, and really shouldn't have been executed in the way it was, and the way it was executed lead to unnecessary death.
They do paint the picture that this was more of a systematic fuck up, than it was the individuals on the ground, but bald cigar layer makes a good point in saying that if everything you're being told to do seems like the wrong thing to do, maybe you should stop and ask questions.
But i guess that leads back to this >>42151442
>if you score too high on an IQ test. The theory being, if you are too smart, you will get bored with your work, or worse, think about the orders you're given/your response to a situation, rather than just acting.

The way they did it lead the people occupying the apartment to think they were being invaded, hence why they called the police. They probably wouldnt have called the police had they known it was the police they were calling the police on, because if your being invaded by the police the last thing you want is more police.
I think that 911 call has a lot to do with why the suspect isnt in jail on attempted murder charges atm, and just backs up what i already teach, always call the police before reacting, if you can.
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>>42151634

One of the things they touched on was that there had been several raids planned for that night. One of the things you have to look out for when you're getting a lot of sustained activity, going "door to door" as it were, is that you don't fall into a state of rote repetition where you're going through the motions without putting any critical thought into the situation. Kinda sounds to me like that is what was happening here. The guy who was charged sounds like he was all keyed-up and on edge and that is also a symptom of that sort of thing but I think as a team and at the institutional level they had gotten complacent and were just puttering-along at half steam. Certainly just having the three of them, knocking and then breaching at night and all that would point to that being the case and that is of course when fuck-ups happen. You start neglecting proper procedures, become impatient and incautious and then everything goes to hell. The path of least resistance is a minefield.
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Also on the subject of breaching I just found a Blackhawk! Dynamic Entry 31" stainless steel/fiberglass Halligan tool. Is a discontinued model and I got it for about half the original price. Will make a fine addition to my collection of burglary tools. Should be here next week.

Firefighter Forcible Entry Training with Mike Perrone

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Seems vista outoors and ruger are bidding to buy Remington and marlin firearms, respectively.

Maybe this means we will see quality in my beloved rem designs again.

Esp excited to see ruger x marlin, always wanted a guide gun but could only get guide grenades.

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It's Monday and we have another Gun Jesus video. He live fire tests a fresh out of the box Taurus Curve pistol.

Taurus quality! Hilarity ensues.
Taurus Curve: My Worst Backup Gun Match Yet!

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>>42151989

I had a first-gen Taurus PT-111. It worked fine for the first 300-400 rounds, but then it started jamming and coming apart. I sent it off to Taurus for fixing and after it came back it consistently shot low, like really really low. As in, take aim at the center of a 25 yard target and it hits the dirt about three-quarters of the way to the target. I traded it for car parts.

I had a CZ-100 at about the same time. That was a nice little pistol except I really disliked the plastic DOA trigger and mags were rare and expensive. Mind you this was shortly after the AWB had sunset and the gun market hadn't yet fully recovered and especially in terms of imported mags.
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>>42152017
At least Ian could have thrown his Curve at an attacker instead of waiting for that patented Taurus Quality Jam-O-Matic action to kick in. You know it's bad when a Hi-Point Yeet Cannon outperforms a Curve on the range.

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>>42152058

Hi-point does one thing and does it well and that's make the most basic boat anchor/handguns in the universe.

Taurus tries to make guns to compete with the major manufacturers but their material quality and manufacturing tolerances just aren't up to snuff.

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The M16A1 is the best variation of the M16/M4 rifle platform

*dabs*

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>>42152058
>>42152062
Listen I don't care who you are Yeet Cannon is straight up still the best name for a handgun ever

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>>42152299
I recently saw a .243 AR-10 rifle for sale on GunBroker. I seriously considered buying it, but decided against it, for various reasons, including (1) at 9 lbs, it was heavier than most AR-15s, and (2) it had a long 20-inch barrel and would need a decent sound suppressor to use as a home-defense gun, so maneuverability would kinda suck, and (3) it had a plain stainless steel barrel, no chrome lining or nitriding, so probably wouldn't last particularly long under the heat of .243 if I use it for target practice. I suppose it might be a good gun for hunting small-to-medium game or varmints.

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>>42152300
>.243
>HD
20" barrel because 243 is solidly in the not quite fudd but getting there hunting caliber. And I always see the strangest rifles in that cal. Like, legit weird things that would feel awkward to show up to your average hunting circle with. Like that Vepr there.
Also-
STOP BEING FIXATED ON HOME DEF. AND BUILDING AN AR MID INTERNATIONAL CRISIS, or I'll come up there to PA and spit in your muffins!

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>>42152301
>STOP BEING FIXATED
Once my autism locks on to something, it is hard to shake it loose. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>MID INTERNATIONAL CRISIS

I've heard that vaccines are expected by the middle of next year. Hopefully things will return to normal relatively soon after that.

>spit in your muffins!

Not the muffins!
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>>42152299
*reads that page more closely*
>Magpul® Zhukov Polymer Handguard
>Magpul® AR-15 stock
Huh, is that thing a Frankenstein of AR and AK parts?

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>>42152301
I had a bolt action in .243 and sold it after five years. I thought it would be a good deer rifle but changed my mind after trying to eliminate a coyote for a friend. If you can't one shot a coyote, taking a deer with one would be plain inhumane.

tl:dr It's not a good hunting caliber. Stick to 6.5 or 7.62 NATO.

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eh nah, not doing that

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>>42152312

I have taken many durr, coyotes and groundhogs with my Remington 788 in .243. It is second only to my Winchester 94/22 in number of critters slain.

What cartridge were you using?

>>42152300

DSA is/was making a FAL in .243. I considered getting one but was turned off by the price of both the rifle and the ammo.

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>>42152647
>What cartridge were you using?
Mostly Federal and a box of Winchester soft points. The coyote ran off with a pronounced wound but kept running, indicating my one shot was most likely a graze.

Locals frowned on .243 as a hunting caliber and suggested .280 instead. Given the fact I couldn't find a deer over three seasons before I sold it for ammo, I never got the chance to see if a larger central body mass would have improved my chance to do a humane shot.

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>>42152672

.243 is no cannon shell by any stretch but I mean you gotta do your part too. .243 has better terminal ballistics at longer ranges than 30-30 and that is said to be the most common durr cartridge in North America since forever. Of course if doesn't inspire confidence then there is .22-250, .270, .25'06, .308, 30'06, .300 Win mag etc.
30'06 is probably the second most common durr cartridge, the most common load is a 180gr SP but it goes down to 150gr and up to a 220gr bullet which makes it very versatile though some don't care for the recoil. Remington used to make a .223 caliber sabot 30'06 load called the Xcellerator or some-such which was popular for a minute but I'm pretty sure they're out of production now.

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>>42152672
>>42152674
My understanding is that even a shot that obliterates an animal's heart might not instantly drop the animal -- it might continue to run for a few seconds?

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>>42152831
Seconds, yes, but not "off into the woods never to be seen again".
He's gonna sprint a few yards till blood pressure drops enough that other organs stop too.

Like the skate board kid in Kenosha.

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>>42152831

Yes! A buddy of mine got a nice buck once, burst it's heart like an over-ripe tomato. It jumped about 10 feet in the air and ran about 50 yards before it face-planted into the dirt.

Another thing, if you wound a critter and it runs off, if you intend on tracking it it's better to wait a minute before you go after it. See what happens is if it sees or hears you coming after it it will keep running just as long as it has the strength to do so. If on the other hand it doesn't think you're on it's trail it is more likely to lay down and lick it's wounds and if it's wounded severely enough it may die shortly after as the Adrenalin wears-off. If then you're on it's blood trail and it seems to terminate all of a sudden cast-out around that last point and look under pine trees, brush and in the lee of any fallen trees, large rocks or whatever and you may find it laying there. Note also that if it's still alive and especially if it's a buck and you come upon it all of a sudden it may try to kick the crap out of you and/or spear you it's antlers. Many a hunter has gone home without his prize because they failed to locate it after it's lain down.

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>>42152831
How you off a bear? Artillery? Grenades?

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Slavshit is best shit.

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The halligan tool arrived today. I think I like it, though I'll have to find some things to break with it to know for sure.

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>>42152905
>How you off a bear? Artillery? Grenades?
If you're lucky and have excellent shot placement, even a .22LR will suffice:
https://www.ammoland.com/2017/06/bella-twin-the-22-used-to-take-the-1953-world-record-grizzly-and-more/

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>>42153363
Mishaco doesn't know anything reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Ian finally had his French MAS 38 properly repaired and obtained enough ammo to do a video.

It runs.

MAS 38 at the Range - Finally!

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Another one followed me home today

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>>42153928
What are your thoughts on the Saiga 12?
SAIGA 12 - RUSSIAN AK SHOTGUN

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>>42153958

I have one! It makes a lots of dakka.
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>>42153984
So I've heard

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>>42153958

I've only had limited hands on experience with them so >>42153984 is probably the better person to ask. I've heard reports of feeding issues but nothing I can confirm personally.

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>>42154013
I've heard a few of them have issues with that, but not all of them. I could be wrong but I think it's mostly the older ones that have that issue though.

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>>42154031

You'll find that to be an issue with lots of guns, sometimes it takes a few years to work all the bugs out of something. The (in)famous WASR 10 is a good example of that where they went from being steaming piles of horse shit to perfectly decent quality AKs.

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>>42154031
I absolutely fucking hate mine because I think that shotguns with box mags R dumb.

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>>42154037
Why does that make you hate anime?

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>>42154013
>>42154031

Most of the feeding issues were caused by the shells being deformed by the mag lips under spring pressure and then failing to feed. The simplest solution is simply not to leave the mags fully-loaded for extended periods. Another option is to use a solid brass hulled shell on top.

Remington 870 Police Magnums used to have this problem too. Especially when they were left sitting in the gun rack of a police cruiser baking in the sun for extended periods. The heat and spring pressure deformed the shells and jammed them up good. That was remedied not only by changing ammo but also reducing spring pressure a bit which is a little easier to do with a pump but not wise with a semi-auto unless you're willing to spend time testing and evaluating.
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how much would you fuckers sell an AR15 for?

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>>42154329
Are you actually asking someone on Ponychan to sell you one, or are you asking out of curiosity?

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>>42154340
would it matter?

but yes i am asking ponychan
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>>42154329

I don't sell guns anymore, I always come to regret it. But surely it can't be that hard to find one even now.

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>>42154329

Depends if I'm selling to a friend or a stranger.

I cut my friend a hella deal on one for $500 the other day.

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At last!

Gun Jesus got his hands on a reproduction DeLisle Carbine complete with working suppressor.

The working of the action and the sound of the bullet hitting the steel target are louder than the report of the .45 ACP round.

Valkyrie Silenced DeLisle Carbine at the Range

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>>42154645
>The working of the action and the sound of the bullet hitting the steel target are louder than the report of the .45 ACP round.

Yep, also the earliest DeLisles used modified SMLE mags rather than 1911 mags. One part held and fed the cartridges and the rest was a felt-lined container to catch and hold the spent casings so they wouldn't make noise either. That was dropped though as it didn't add sufficiently to the sneaky-breekiness to justify the added complexity.

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You do practice proper shifter-discipline don't you? Cuz speed kills you know.

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Hmm...

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>>42155275
this can't be real

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>>42155276

Given what year it is I'm not sure I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.

Facebook was trying to get me to register to vote in Alabama the other day. Last I checked I don't live in 'Bama.
Also I got some more fencing equipment yesterday.

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>>42155277
i hope it's not real

the contradiction hurts

and nice!

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>>42155278

Is for the fudds who think the 2A is for duck hunting.

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>>42155279
im tired of people saying it should be watered down

like these people shouldnt say "im pro 2A, buuuuuuut"

anyone who does that isnt pro 2A

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The M16A1 is the worst variation of the M16/M4 rifle platform.

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>>42155304
You are a buster and a cock sucking communist.

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>>42155305
I don't know what a "buster" is but i'm not a commie.

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>>42155304
What don't you like about it?

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>>42155275

>This is FAIR. This will SAVE LIVES.


Delusion.

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>>42155304

That would be the A2

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>>42155304

Only the rear sight.

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>>42155375
>>42155275
Voluntary for how long?

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I got a delivery today!

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>>42155430

Not long if he has his way.

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>>42155430

"Voluntary" aka "Voluntold."

>>42155437

Something about that eggcrate foam makes my eyes hurt.
I just threw down $506 on yet more fencing kit. I need to find less expensive hobbies.

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So now that Armslist is dead, what do we use to buy/sell/trade on the second hand market?

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>>42155562
it works for me

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>>42155564

Try contacting anyone or listing anything, it's no longer free.
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>>42155566
oh wow, they charge people just to contact them?

that's insane

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>>42155569

Hence Armslist is dead. The second hand market just got a lot more difficult to navigate now.

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>>42155570
go figure, i guess

that's a shame

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>>42155574

An alternative will pop up no doubt, but as it stands there's no free method of doing what Armslist let you do without paying now. You either need to pay to use Gunbroker which is full of retards but at least has no scammers, or pay to use Armslist which is full of scammers and even bigger retards.

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>>42155576
seems like such a fucking mess

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>>42155577

Yeah, kind of is. I was putting off joining Gunbroker but I'd rather pay a dollar and deal with boomers rather than $7 a month to deal with retards.

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>>42155578
if gunbroker is full of boomers

i bet it's loaded with nothing but 1911's and shotguns lol

though the 1911 is a pleasure to shoot
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>>42155580

Oh no, it's got everything you could want. The problem is the site itself was designed so long ago and has never been updated so it's like web 1.0 shit that is absolutely atrocious to navigate. But, it's 100% legit and the sellers are very reputable so you have no risk of getting robbed or some shit.

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>>42155588
that sounds like a catch to me

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>>42155590

Not many other options at this point

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>>42155588
I bought my second 107FR through Gunbroker, sending a money order by mail, because that is what the seller required. It seemed sketchy but turned out all right in the end.

I also bought my SCAR on Gunbroker.

Gunbroker is fine, but admittedly the last place I'd ever want to go to buy a firearm online.
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So I'm watching this:
Military Stories Compilation 2

And I was reminded of the saying: "If it ain't rainin' you ain't training." And that reminded me of the time I was doing rifle quals in mid-december, it was 40 degrees outside, with a steady freezing rain and the RSO kept shutting-down the range for some fucking bullshit reasons so I'm just laying there chin-deep in a puddle of ice cold water for like two hours, my cotton field jacket providing no insulation whatsoever and when I do finally get to fire my M4 blasts a load of more ice-cold water into my face from out around the charging handle with sufficient force that it gets inbetween the outer lens of my Revision eyepro and the RX lens so I can't see a damn thing and then of course because it's the military we can't just fuck-off back to the barracks and dry-out like sane and rational people but have to spend the rest of the day being cold, wet and miserable outside. All for the purpose of "realistic training" TO FIGHT IN A MOTHERFUCKING DESERT!

Anyway long story short I caught pneumonia and almost died and I would very much like to find the sonofabitch who came-up with that fucking bullshit quote and sodomize him to death with red-hot irons.
Guns N' Roses - November Rain (Audio) HQ

>>42155710

Noice!

Also, this so goddamn relatable you don't even:
Campfire Stories - Anger Management
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Gentlemen! Submitted for your review:

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Browsing Reddit, I just realized I made a mistake on my eForm1 submission for a sound suppressor! I was supposed to select "N/A" from the Model drop-down list, and NOT check the box "My item description is not in the list, create new item". (The manufacturer code was "FMI" ("Form 1 Registration"), like before.) I just submitted another form (and paid another $200 of tax to the Treasury), and this time it went right through, without any "pending research" bullshit. I waited 6 weeks in Pending Research for nothing, argh!

>>42155760
>cotton jacket
>rain
>cold weather
Yikes! A Wooloo would keep you warm!

>>42156000
Is that... is that a non-bullpup version of Steyr Aug?
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>>42156069
Oops.

I'm still waiting on my suppressor.

If I have it my way, it'll be February, but I dream it would come sooner.

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>>42156069
>Is that... is that a non-bullpup version of Steyr Aug?

Yes!

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Picked up a ZPAP on my way home from work because who knows what the fuck is gonna happen tomorrow. Might have been my last chance to do so. It has that horrible polymer furniture on it though so I'm going to need some wood ASAP

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So with the upcoming riots regardless of who wins, do you think there will be discounts at the gun shops?

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>>42156314
nah, usually demand and price will rise if more people are buying firearms

honestly, you're better off buying one ASAP

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>>42156315
I was afraid that would be the case but I wanted to be optimistic.
I'm trying to remember, I can order one online and have it shipped to a local store, then just pick it up/buy the delivered gun at the store, right?

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>>42156291

"ZPAP" always sounded to me like some particularly unpleasant medical procedure.

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>>42156316
yeah, you can buy online and have it shipped to a local FFL dealer (licensed gun shop)

from there you can fill out your 4473 and do the background check when they get it

depending on the laws in your state you will either get it that day, or there is a waiting period

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>>42156318
Cool. On the other hand, it might not be a bad idea to buy one there after trying some out if I find one at a good price. I admit I don't remember the specific models you guys recommended, but I do remember that you guys recommended that I get a .22.

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>>42156319
if you really want to

you can rent out firearms at ranges and try them out

when Mk17 took me the range, i absolutely loved shooting the glock he had

maybe one of these days Mk17 can teach all of this stuff in person at a gun range

he's good at it

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>>42156319
ZPAP, O-PAP, N-PAP
WASR-10
PSA AK 103 (maybe).
Kalashnikon USA KR-103 (maybe).

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>>42156317
I was thinking the same thing.

>>42156322
I'll write those down, but honestly I'll probably start out with a handgun, especially given the prices in the current market and political situation. What are the maybes for?

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>>42156326
people always say the smith and wesson shield are perfect starter guns

i never shot one, so im going by what people say

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>>42156326
The "maybes" are new and made in the United States and there's not enough info out on them yet to tell whether they're good or not. It also depends on if you agree with paying over 1000 bucks on a rifle.

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>>42156314

If Biden wins, everything gun related will be unobtanium for a while.

>>42156317

Yeahhhh but feels like good rifle though.

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>>42156326

If you can only have one gun, a rifle is the best option.

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I've been kind of thinking about getting a BREN 2 but after getting a suppressor, I told myself I was done with getting gun stuff for awhile.

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>>42156345
>If Biden wins, everything gun related will be unobtanium for a while.
The prediction markets indicate that Biden is likely to win the presidency, but the Republicans will retain control of the Senate and thus be able to prevent any gun-control legislation.

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>>42156346
But isn't a handgun more portable?

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>>42156556

Somewhat if you intend to conceal it. If you don't intend to carry every day a rifle is a better choice for anything else.

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>>42156558
Why? Maintenance? Fire power? Less restrictions? ...

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>>42156565
Rifles are good for shooting communists at close range and far away, and are much more powerful than handguns.

In a pinch, you can maybe use intermediate rifle cartridges to take wild game.

While a good handgun should be a part of anyone's kit, rifles are the most essential part.

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Fixed it.

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>>42156765

Love me some Yugoslavshit

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>>42156642
>>42156661
>>42156558
Fair enough. Though I'd much rather shoot fascists.
But I was thinking from a purely self defense minded standpoint.
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>>42156771

Whoever it is who happens to be threatening you, in open conflict a rifle is the best option available. Unless you want something that is more easily concealable, it is the way to go.

The benefit of a handgun is that you can use it for both HD and CC, but it's going to be inferior for HD. Really comes down to what sort of scenario you think is most likely in your life.
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>>42156823
That's what I was thinking. I walk, take the bus, and get rides everywhere, so it's not like I can just put the rifle in my nonexistent vehicle.
Also what are HD and CC?

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>>42156824
The question is do you want to be a dude with a gun, or do you want to be a marksman?

If there is no daily direct threat to your life that you need to carry a pistol on you at all times, then i would suggest getting a rifle and learning how to shoot then getting the pistol.

If you just want to carry a gun, because you want to carry a gun, then yeah, jump into the pistol, put it on your belt, and hope if/when the time comes you know how to use it effectively.

You've been asking this question for months, and you keep getting the same answers, so if you want a pistol, just go get a pistol.
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>>42156824
>Also what are HD and CC?
Home Defense, Concealed Carry

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Zeke is going to be the token twink on /k/ that posts with a glock or sks in programmer socks.

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>>42156824
>>42156832

But like Mk said, if you are not in a particularly dangerous area where you need a gun concealed on you at all times, a rifle is a better investment.

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>>42156830
>>42156831
>>42156835
Alright, I'll keep that in mind. And for the record, I do know how to shoot and shoot reasonably accurately.

>>42156832
Sounds like a helluva time.

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>>42156837

Ideally, get both.

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>>42156838
Well yeah, but for the time being, I think I'll only be able to afford to get one.

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>>42156839

Shit's gonna be crazy for the next few months, but if you find something good for a decent price, snag it.

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>>42156840
I kinda figured after what you told me a few days ago.

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>>42156837
I'm not saying you're a bad shot, im just saying carrying a gun is a lot more than putting it on your belt.

Really what im saying is stop himming and hawing and trying to get us to tell you to get a pistol haha. If its what you want, get it.
For months, you've been coming itt and asking "should i get a rifle or a pistol" and we all say rifle (except me i say shotgun haha), and you argue, so you dont want a rifle, okay, get a pistol.

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>>42156864

Really a long gun of any sort is fine. I think a rifle is more useful overall but you can do a lot with a shotgun.

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>>42156871
>I think a rifle is more useful
It depends.
I think a shotgun is more useful because of its versatility in loads.
Can hunt a dove just as good as a moose and everything in between, including commies.

You can reload for it a lot simpler and easier, you can use virtually any powder you come across, you can make new hulls out of paper.

Its the only firearm i would say "yeah, one shot ought do it" in self defense. They are super easy to maintain/fix.

There are more sports for shotgun, you can convert a shotgun to just about any caliber via sleeves.

Its a jack of all trades, master of none, but the one i would have if i could only have one.

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>>42156872
>Its a jack of all trades, master of none, but the one i would have if i could only have one.

I didnt mean for that to happen, but im happy it did.

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>>42157062

>Spending $4000 on a single AR

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>>42157078
Im giving the benefit of the doubt and thinking that includes the optics.

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>>42157105

A new AN/PEQ-15 is like $1500. Though they can be found for a fair bit less if you happen to know a shady Warrant Officer.

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>>42157107
and a good rifle will set you back another k, so there is 2500, and a good optic set, another, so there is 3500.
Factor in todays market prices, and your at the 4k.
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Like my gun? I got it to match my uniform.

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>>42157116

Looks nice.

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Really really considering dropping my AR tomorrow, because i could turn it into a bolt gun i've had my eye on and still have a grand in my pocket.
I would still have my SCR, it would just be the 14" iron site one i would be dropping, so i wouldnt have a pistol grip/slidey stock no more is all, but i would have a really nice .308

Snowbell, i need your guidance in these trying times.
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>>42157197

As I've said before I am opposed to selling things. Better to just hoard everything. no regerts that way.

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>>42157197
Don't do it. You'll probably still be able to buy a bolt gun at any time.

People who flip guns for other guns are doing it wrong, anyway.
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Of course im going to argue, im asking you to argue with me haha.
>>42157198
This is true, but i only regret selling 1 gun, and that was my benelli m1.
If i can have a nice precision bolt gun all set up, and have a grand or so in my pocket, idk mang.

>>42157199
Might not be able to sell an AR ether, not just because of fed shit, but because of state.
I would still have an AR platform, it would just be a fixed stock.

Idk, ive made a pretty handsome living flipping guns haha.

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Also keep in mind, that in my position, i wouldnt be burying or "losing in a boating accident" anything, because if i do that, i jeopardize my ability to educate people about firearms so that they understand how stupid all these laws are.

Not to mention, i dont like shooting this one, i only drag it out once or twice a year.

So, the way i see it, is i can sell it now when some goofball is willing to give me 1600 bucks for it, or i can wait and possibly lose it for free, or, have to pay a tax to keep it.

If i wasnt in this position, i would probably just keep it, but i am, so i dont want to miss out on the buying frenzy and make a shit ton of profit, plus get into something i would actually shoot and enjoy regularly.

Sucks to have to consider this shit.

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>>42156864
>Really what im saying is stop himming and hawing and trying to get us to tell you to [sell your rifle] haha. If its what you want, [do] it.
>For months, you've been coming itt and asking "should I [sell my rifle]?" and we all say [dont], and you argue, so you want [to sell your rifle], okay, [sell your rifle].

Hmmm... good point, me.
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>>42157204
Thanks me.

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>>42157205
You're so fucking cute.

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>>42157207
Fuck me now, me!

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>>42157230
Ew, no.
Bitch, i know where you've been.

>>42157232
That last one wasnt me
Also, i have a handy little .308 now.

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>>42157236
Why you gotta do this to me, me?

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A little surgeon.

18" Ruger American .308 (which is the same action as the precision) Magpul hunter stock, aluminum bedded, AICS pattern, harris bipod, and vortex crossfire ii scope.

Nice little setup, walking away with this and 1600 in my pocket to play with.
In the background is the XM15 im giving up.

I feel good about this.
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>>42157262
Because its easy.

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>>42157266
Hate the game, not the playa.

>>42157263
I will probably swap out the glass for SWFA fixed power 30mm, and toss the crossfire on a .22.
Then ill get .308 dies and heads, maybe upgrade my range finder, and ill be ready for some winter fun.
I need to see if i can still get on Sigs range haha.
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I finally picked up my lower receiver that I ordered last month. Now I can combine it with >>42155437 when I get some time later this month.

>>42157263
>>42157265
Nice rifle!

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>>42157276
Thanks! I feel more complete with a good bolt gun. Nice "other"!

>>42157277
Legos, nice!
A good 16" upper is the next thing on my list. I have to order a charging handle too.

Did that upper come with a BCG?

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I didn't want to start a thread that would just slide, so I'm going to leave this video link here. It's pretty /k/.

If you ever wanted to see what a real late Soviet era underground bunker looks like in a nearly perfect preservation state, this is the video for you. Complete with a large garage with period cars and a couple of surprises.

Due to the state of the complete inventory inside including functioning electrical service, the guy isn't giving up the location of the place. Enjoy.

Found Working Nuclear Bunker with Vehicles & Gear

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>>42157278
>Did that upper come with a BCG?
Indeed, it did!

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Last night i checked my sources and there were 500+ boxes of PMC .308 available at the normal pre-covid price.
This morning i refreshed the site and there were only 100.
So i grabbed 100 rounds, just so ill have the brass. Ill probably end up with the ammo on my door step before i even have the gun in hand.

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>>42157468
You didn't already take possession of the .308 rifle?

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>>42157477
Waiting on consignment cheques.

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So I found an odd bird at Goodwill on Friday.

It appeared at first to be a plain old M65 Field Jacket in DCU pattern with the extreme cold weather hood and I almost passed it by. But then I looked closer and noticed the labels were blank, it had Woolrich buttons, the inner layer is green Nomex and it had a flight jacket style pocket on the left sleeve.
It seems what I had actually found was a pre-production prototype or test sample that is a blend of the M65 and the CWU-45P winter flight jacket.
My educated guess would be that it comes from round-about 2004 or 05. Both the Army and Marines had found that their basic nylon-cotton blend uniforms were not sufficiently flame-retardant given the prevalence of roadside bombs, diesel fuel and the other associated dangers of driving around Iraq at the time. This caused them to rush the issuance of nomex flight suits as a stopgap and put research into improved flame retardant treatments and two-piece flight suit designs like the A2CU uniform. Because there's nothing worse than needing to remove your body armor and load-bearing kit to strip-off one-piece coveralls so you can take a dump. All of this I know because I had it inflicted upon me.
Based on the camo pattern and the nomex this coat almost certainly comes from that period. Woolrich PA is just down the road from here so probably this was a sample for a government contract which then either sat in storage at Woolrich or was taken home by somebody involved in the project and then later donated to Goodwill during a house-cleaning.

And now it's mine! The DCU pattern works fairly well here in the fall and given my work I do appreciate flame-retardant winter clothing. I already had the quilted Nomex liner for it too as it has the same cut as the nylon M65 field jacket liner but is a bit heavier and has knit elastic cuffs which go a long way towards keeping the wind from blowing up your sleeves.

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>>42157535
Your goodwill finds never cease to amaze.

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>>42157536

Sometimes I lay awake at night wondering what good shit I've missed out on because I haven't lurked hard enough.

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>>42157537
The only place to get stuff like that around here is the army surplus places.
Which reminds me, i haven't been to one in a long time, should go.

I take it you disprove of my new rifle choice, your silence says it all haha.

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>>42157538

I disapprove of selling one gun to get another. I don't disapprove of the gun itself. My silence has more to do with having been busy all weekend. Only reason I'm online now is cuz it's cold and raining.
I don't have any strong opinion on the Ruger American. It looks good but I haven't gotten around to shooting one yet. Can't be worse than my 90's era Remington 700 and 710 though.

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>>42157542
>I disapprove of selling one gun to get another.
Actually, like ...6.
I got a little carried away maybe.

>My silence has more to do with having been busy all weekend.

Just giving you a hard time and trying to force convo about my new toy tbh.

The American has turned out to be a good rifle, with some modification. Even out of the box its pretty good, but the stock... stock is kinda junk, as to be expected. Like i said, its a down graded precision.

Shot a bunch of them over the summer, and they were pretty impressive. Its not the tikka i wanted, but for the price i would say it better than almost any other bolt out there atm.

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>>42157544
>I got a little carried away maybe.

Probably. Better to aim for net-gains I think.

>but the stock... stock is kinda junk, as to be expected. Like i said, its a down graded precision.

The quality of rifle stocks seems to declined significantly for many manufacturers in the last 20 or so years. Might have something to do with the rise of aftermarket stocks like Choate and Magpul but more likely is just plain old cost-cutting by penny-pinching execs.

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>>42157555
>Better to aim for net-gains I think.
Well, i am walking away with a better set up and like 2k in my pocket... so that can be considered a net gain i think.

You are right about stocks. For 1, there are too many opinions for any manufacturer to really settle on anything that deviates from "run of the mill" and actually sell anything. Its like Sig, Sig makes 30 versions of each of their pistol and no matter which one you have to sell, its never the one people want. So it is easier to give a "good enough" stock, and let people go out and get their own after market affair if they so desire. You're really just buying a barreled action in a fancy holder.
The other thing is, they do have to cut costs, but not for penny pinching, but to keep quality rifles actually someone affordable. Better they take advantage of check injection molding that gives a product that works "well" and saves 99% cost over an alternative, than to sacrifice action machining / metallurgy.
An injection molded stock with an aluminum bedding block is way more than enough for most shooters, so its a good solution to keep quality actions at a sub 1k price point.

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Disregard AR, acquire AKs.

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>>42157564
Whats the bottom one?

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>>42157564
AK's fucking suck, though.

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>>42157556
>but to keep quality rifles actually someone affordable. Better they take advantage of check injection molding that gives a product that works "well" and saves 99% cost over an alternative, than to sacrifice action machining / metallurgy.

True 'nuff, but given how Remington, Colt etc. are always on the verge of utter collapse they do still need to pinch a penny or two.
Even the fecking mag catch on my Remington 710 is plastic. Probably to pay for the Hillary Hole. The 90's were truly a dark age.

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>>42157595
>Remington, Colt etc.
I'm only considering reputable mfgs.

Colt and Remington are a meme at this point, their shit has been junk for like a decade.
The only thing that keeps Remington afloat is how standard their patterns have become, but even that couldnt save them.

Im talking like Savage and Ruger.

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>>42157572

Polytech AK47S (Legend)

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>>42157576

YOU suck

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>>42157605

A damn shame the R51 was a flop though. Was a very sleek little pistol.

Savages are nice, especially the accutrigger.

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>>42157606
Its eye catching.

>>42157608
Remington fucked up the 870 and the 700.. there was no way they were going to come out with a pistol that wasnt trash, no matter how good the design.

I do like savages, a mod 10 is what i wanted, ended up with the ruger, but i have a mkii and a 220 (though its one of the ones for sale).
The accu trigger is neat, but its kind of delicate.

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>>42157610

The milled guns are works of art in my eyes.

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>>42157610

The R51's problem was that the original design was old enough that it had effectively fallen out of living memory, then people who didn't understand it's foibles tried to "update" it and then it was rushed into full production before it could be thoroughly tested.

The worst thing about it is that, instead of jumping to full production they could have sent a few out to Guntubers to beta test them, get feedback and build hype for when it does go into full production instead of shipping out a faulty product that spoils people's perception of it.
But they weren't savvy enough to consider such a thing.

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>>42157614
What was the original design? I want to say it was like a Whitney design, but im not sure.

That happens a lot though, i can call up a lot of people who think the beretta px4 is "garbage" but will praise the cougar.

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>>42157615

The original Model 51 was John Pederson's design. Of Ithaca 37 fame. It was quite complex. I'm sure somebody thought that with improved tech we could just do it "better" as a matter of course. But in reality that just is not guaranteed. Especially in manufacturing "newer" isn't always "better" it's sometimes just "different."
If a company that makes radios suddenly decided to make a retro-style radio that uses actual transistor tubes that would prove to be a fair bit more difficult and expensive than one that uses modern circuitry and merely looks retro on the outside. Because the resources and know-how for a tube radio just simply don't exist anymore.

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>>42157619
The fuck, you're still around?

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>>42157721
What do you mean? He's been here for a while.

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>>42157721

Yeah, I never left.

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>>42157721
Perhaps the better question is: Who are you?

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>>42157831
Bear is the /rp/ mod and is usually only found in /rp/.

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look what my brother got me

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>>42157883

Did he get one for himself too? I bet he did, if he didn't mention or show it be prepared to be shot in the asscheek when you least expect it.

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>>42157883
Is that an airsoft gun?

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>>42157893
Nah, spring-powered.

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>>42157893
Yes its an airsoft gun.

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>>42157892
>it's just the Fo3 10mm SMG
But why.

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I scored my highest score ever in competition today, which i think puts me at the top of my class, and prairie dogging on top 10 in the state.
Out of around 200 competitors.

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>>42157913

Unironically cuz the red commie Chinese be stealing American designs.

Of course I had to buy it anyway.

>>42157914
>prairie dogging

That's not good. I recommend a stool softener.

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If you're on Normiebook, you should follow this page, it's pretty entertaining
https://www.facebook.com/ATFisWatchingYou/

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>>42157914
>I scored my highest score ever in competition today, which i think puts me at the top of my class,
Congratulations!

>prairie dogging on top 10 in the state.

Are there a lots of prairie dogs in your state?

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>>42157936
I like the challenge.

>>42158048
Thanks!
Just groundhogs. They taste just as good though.

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>>42157914
Congrats!

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Gun Jesus goes hunting, cleaning and cooking! One deer and three wild boars.

Apocrypha: My Field to Table Hunting/Learning Vacation

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So look what just came back into my care:
Is an Izmsh M44 carbine that a buddy of mine had tried to bubba into a psuedo scout rifle by hacking the barrel off behind the bayonet mount, replacing the rear sight with a crappy aluminum rail and mounting a cheap red dot on it.
This setup was shockingly enough, inaccurate as all hell and the muzzle blast from the ~17" bbl is a thing to behold even during the day. So once he grew frustrated with his abomination he sold it to me and I tried to turn it into something vaguely useful. I put the original rear sight back on and installed a new front sight, sanded the stock down and treated it with boiled linseed oil, polished the sear, shimmed the trigger spring and converted the bolt to cock-on-closing.
Is still an abomination but is slightly less ugly and markedly more useful.
Pretty nearly ten years ago my dad decided he wants to borrow it. He has a thing for M44's because he had claimed one as a battlefield pickup during the Rhodesian Bush War but had left it behind in South Africa when we moved here.
I more or less forgot about it until today when he comes over with it and a bag of venison. He bagged a deer with it this morning and now that he's scratched that itch I guess he's satisfied and so returned it to me.

Might eventually scare-up a new barrel and stock for it.

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Look what followed me home

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>>42158246
Vacuum your floor.

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>>42158246
>>42158247
Yeah, that looks pretty gross. Your guns deserve better than that.

And so do you I guess.

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>>42158247
>>42158267

Yeah I've been lazy. Dogs got into my closet the other day and made a mess of it.

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>>42158238
Nice nugget! Would putting a sound suppressor on the carbine-length barrel tame the blast?

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And speaking of sound suppressors, I got a happy email today!

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>>42158292
Can you even hit the broad side of a barn with that stockless?

Not questioning your aim here but the fairly short barrel stockless config on that...thing.

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>>42158304
never understood the point the point of AK pistols myself

but eh

its something

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>>42158299

It would certainly help. I've got a big stonking flash hider with quick-detach suppresor threads kicking around here somewhere.

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>>42158246
Nice.
AK pistols are the OG rattler, and i like how you manage to find good looking ones.
Also, your carpet looks fine.

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>>42158304

Yes! As long as you're not dumping wildly you can do pretty well. If you have a sling you can really brace yourself enough to push it out fairly far. People really buy these things as bases for SBRs or to use a pistol brace on though.

>>42158332

Thank you, I have a discerning eye for slavshit.

I vacuumed it today, I need to stop doing work in it because there's some black spots from guns on it now. Just my closet so meh, but it's at least clean now.

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Gave the titanium e-tool the rainbow treatment.
Heating titanium with a torch causes the formation of a thin film of titanium dioxide which refracts light like a prism creating the yellow-bronze-purple-blue coloration. It's also a form of case-hardening.

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>>42158690

Also, I totally didn't just do the because I've been reading The Ultimate Shovel. I'd actually been planning to do this for a while now. TUS just inspired me to actually do it.

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>>42158689
>>42158690
>>42158691
I like the aesthetics of that shovel!

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>>42158692

Thank ye. The colors pop quite a bit more in person than in the pictures, especially the bronze and purple.

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>>42157813
>>42157829
The fuck

>>42157831
>>42157854
>>42157855
Yeah I've been here for teen years lamo

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Next I'm gonna pretty-up the Cold Steel and Ratnik spades. The edges on the CS are about due for a reprofiling anyway so a new coat of enamel will complement that.
Then I'll sharpen the Ratnik and maybe give it a new coat of paint too.

>>42158771
Totes.
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>>42158815

They say they're "illegal," I say they are refugees desperately seeking freedom.
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Why is the FN SCAR so expensive?

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>>42158918

Cuz it's the new sexiness.

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>>42158918
FN thinks they all that and a bag of chips.

And for the most part they are right.

Covers more R&D, which is good, because they are one of the few innovators in the industry atm thats also a major player.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pigeon
>During World War II, Project Pigeon was B. F. Skinner's attempt to develop a pigeon-controlled guided bomb.


>>42158920
>>42158976
I kinda want to buy an FN SCAR, but it is out of my price range. Maybe in a few years, if the price comes down.

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>>42159047
I've never found it to provide a benefit great enough for the cost over alternatives.
But im also not a collector, the coolness factor is defiantly to be taken into consideration.

The 7.62 cambering is by far the way to go, though.

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>>42159047

Guided bombs were the new hotness during WW2. Almost everybody experimented with them. Most were simple glider bombs either aimed in the general direction of the target and set loose with a gyroscopic system to keep it going in the right direction or with various forms of remote control.

Germany being big into rocketry in the interbellum years also had their V1 and V2 missiles from which descend modern cruise missiles.
Their Fritz X guided bomb is allegedly the first guided bomb used in combat. The Italian battleship Roma sank after being hit by two, Italia was seriously damaged by one. HMS Warspite took one direct hit from a Fritz X which pierced her decks, exploded in her boiler room knocking out her motive power and blew a hole in her bottom. A second near-miss then holed her waterline. That would have been enough to sink most ships but this is Warspite we're talking about, she tanked the damage, went in for repairs and was back in action in time for the Normandy landings.

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Gun Jesus talks monolithic polymer lowers in this video. What might have been...
History of the Monolithic Polymer AR: From Colt to KE Arms

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Behold! A model M1917 bayonet blade retrofitted with M7 bayonet fittings for mounting on an AR.

I'm probably going to have to do this myself eventually.

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>>42159112
That's pretty cool, but unless it's really light, it looks like it would be kind of awkward to hold. And if it was really light, it might not be very good.

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>>42159125

The bayonet is gonna weigh about a pound, compared to the ~8 pound rifle it's fitted to you're not likely to notice the difference. Compared to rifles/muskets from the 19th and early 20th century it's still quite short and light.
How Marine Recruits Are Trained To Fight With Bayonets
Bayonet Fighting
1938 U.S. Army Training Film - Bayonet Training (Full)
Bayonet Fencing - Nick vs Esther

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Do any of you guys watch Demolition Ranch?

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>>42159434

Sometimes. I am subscribed to pretty much every gun-related youtuber.

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I found a 17-round Beretta mag with 10 rounds of Aquila 9mm fmj today.

If video games have taught me anything it's that when you start finding ammo laying around there's probably a boss battle ahead.

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>>42160076

Ooo... Noice.

Also, in the off-chance I haven't already mentioned this, in the fan-made short video Astartes:
Astartes 1-5
At 1:24-1:40 one of the dudes attempting to repel the Space Marine's boarding action is armed with a Kel-tec Sub-2000.
Of course in reality that's just because the artist decided to use a space~y looking irl gun design in his animation which is kinda neat, as it shows that he is either gun person himself or that he took the time to look around the internet for designs that would fit the setting and then render it in rather than just using generic "gun-shaped objects" as some do.
But within the setting it is probably some sort of high-power autogun, it does appear to be scaled-up slightly from the real thing, but I also rather like the very grimdark idea that some poor schmuck was sent to fight Space Marines with a mostly plastic 9mm carbine.
That does actually fit within the setting too, as in some of the old rulebooks the image for the "stub pistol," "stub" being the signifier for basic, solid-projectile firearms in 40K was a 1911a1 and the "heavy stubber" a Browning M2 so it's not impossible that Kel-Tec has survived into the 41st millennium. Hopefully their production output has increased a bit in that time.

Also also, Santa be rolling-around in an LMTV.

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Today's new Forgotten Weapons features two videos on the M2.

Watch as Ian provides a lovely .50 automatic tune.

Browning M2HB .50 BMG at the Range

Ma Deuce: The Venerable Browning M2 .50 Caliber HMG

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>>42160313

Accurate.

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>>42161264
>pic
What is that?

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>>42161385

A reserve parachute. Or at least something which resembles one. Precisely the sort of thing you want to buy from Wish.com.

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So, I broke down and bought 10,000 9mm empty brass casings, and 2500 147 grain bullets.

One of my friends has been persistent about getting me started on reloading, and I am tired of hearing the rhetoric, and so I will get the equipment to load sooner than later.

My new stock for my MP5 came in the mail today as well. I appreciate it required no fitting, because sometimes with certain collapsible stocks on these guns, that's what you have to do.
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>>42161594

That's a lot of brass

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>>42161594
>reloading
Were you able to buy primer? The last time I checked (a few months ago), primer was in very short supply.

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>>42161818
Not yet. Looking at sales everyday.

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So with 5.56 being unobtanium for at least the next fours years I continue down the path of the boomstick.
Today I got a Streamlight TL-Racker light and the 28" Accu-choke barrel I said I was gonna buy like, 6 months to a year ago and replaced the Tacstar Sidesaddle with an Adaptive Tactical one. I also thought about buying a bunch of Rio 00 buckshot but then I remembered I had 5 or 6 pounds of buckshot waiting to be loaded into shells already and so set that aside for a while.
Though knowing me as I do I'll likely buy some next time I swing into my LGS anyway. Cuz: "Just in case."

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I also got a Magpul Pmag D-60, 60 round drum mag so that, when 5.56 becomes available again I can really let fly with the echo trigger.
Unlike an AK drum mag where you remove the back plate to load it this uses a lever to compress the spring and loads like a conventional mag. That's a bit tedious but more importantly I can see that lever breaking off eventually. Well drum mags are just for funsies anyway so I'm not terribly worried about it, is just something to keep in mind.

40 and 30 round mags included for scale.

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>>42162095
When the 50 round P-Mags come out for the MP5 I'm buying at least two.

I like to dream these are practical in some way.

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>>42162096

More dakka is always practical.

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I want this

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>>42162248
AK's suck tho

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>>42162257

Okay but u rong tho

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Has China finally produced an assault rifle that is worth a damn?

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>>42162272

Probably not.

Also I got a Gransfors Bruk Scandinavian Forest axe.

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Went to swap the steel weights in this Anderson* buffer for tungsten ones and had a devil of time getting the rubber bumper out. I thought for sure it had been epoxied in place. Took a good 15 minutes of wiggling larger and larger screwdriver blades in between the bumper and buffer body to finally get it loose. It was a little easier going back in because I lubed it with CLP but once that dries I doubt I'll be getting it loose again.

Normally they're not that difficult not sure if the formulation of the rubber is off or perhaps the buffer body is a bit narrower or what but the weights went in with out any drama so it should work fine now.

*Pretty sure it was an Anderson anyway. Might have been an Aero or something else that starts with "A." Moderately certain it was Anderson though.

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>>42162994

I never bothered changing buffer weights, I just had different weighted buffers (if I ever strayed from rifle or H2s, which was rare).

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Czech gunmaker CZ buys Colt in cash-and-stock deal
https://www.reuters.com/article/czg-colt-idUSL1N2KH3HO

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>>42163047
It's very poor timing for this deal. About the only advantage CZ will gain from this deal is the ability to sell their new production domestic pistols and rifles, thus avoiding any new Biden Administration laws on imported firearms.

What sucks is that very few people have complained about how poorly CZ quality control has become. Their repair policy is a joke, blaming the reported production flaws on the gun owners and refusing to accept returns.

It won't affect my future purchases given what I learned from hanging out at my local CZ reseller.
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>>42163047
I'm okay with this.

Not that it's really related or anything but my friend has a Bren 2 and it is better than the SCAR in pretty much every metric.

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The fact that FN keeps on raising the price of the MSRP on the SCAR proves how gay they are and that they are literally worse than HK.

>>42163337
Do it.

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WHY AMMO GOTTA COST SO MUCH DAMN MONEY?

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>>42163693
I thought it would be wise to buy a shitload of brass and bullets but you can't get primers or powder from websites unless you're from Canada or Austrailia.

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Got this underfolder for a steal today, been looking for a Romy like this forever.

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>>42163787
looks good

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>>42163788

Best part:

It's a '69
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>>42163787
Please stop. At this rate you're going to end up having more AK's than I do, and I can't let anyone outdo me. You probably already do.

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>>42163793

I have 5 currently.

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>>42163794
Me too. Who's going to get another one first?

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>>42163795

Well I might actually sell one if someone is willing to pay an outrageous price for one. This is a keeper though.

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>>42163796
Yeah. I was thinking of selling my 107R to fund something else.

Those MP5K's by MKE are being imported again by Century. Their full sized guns went up for sale last night on Atlantic Firearms and they were all gone in less than an hour.

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>>42163797

I was thinking of jumping on the next batch of WBPs to come in, but this was far less expensive and checked off my Romy underfolder box.

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>>42163798
Those WBP rifles are very fine. I've wanted one for a long time.

Those pistols that got imported recently are gay, and a disgrace. They should bring in what people really want.
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>>42163799

Yeahhh, I'm not looking for any pistols. I thought I wanted one but without going full SBR what's the point?

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>>42163800
They wanted the hood demographic.

That Norinco you have is slick, though, and really a life achievement.

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>>42163802

Oh yeah, the Legend is never going anywhere.

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>>42163803
Polytech*

Based.

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>>42163804

I really want a spiker though. Milled or stamped, don't matter.

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>>42163805
I missed out on a like new stamped Type 56 for 1000 bucks because I thought I ought to practice restraint.

It wasn't even a slant cut (no racist pun intended, guys).

I don't know where I went wrong.
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>>42163806

Sometimes you need to take the opportunity

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>>42163807
Life is full of them.

But not 1000 dollar Type 56 opportunities.

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Here's something if you want a job.

Ruger is hiring!!!

https://www.ruger.com/micros/careers/

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Ok just on the off-chance.
Who here has swords?

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Damn, I wish I never sold my AK-74.

>>42163938
I imagine Snowbell.

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>>42163938

I've got a few pokey-boys.

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>>42163938

I've got a few.

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the one thing i can count snowbell to have is an arsenal of almost every type of weapon on this entire planet

it's pretty based tbh

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>>42164128

They will all be mine some day. All of them!

Also, I got that 28" bbl for my Mossberg a while back and I've been meaning to go do some skeet shooting to try it out and also to free-up some shotgun shells for reloading but I haven't gotten to it yet because the weather has been utter shit.
That hasn't stopped me playing with it though and I've got the "short" 12" lop Hogue stock on my mossberg and while it's great in conjunction with the short bbl if I intended to do a lot of skeet I think I would swap it out for the factory wood stock as it requires just a bit more effort to go from the ready position to pulling the recoil pad into my shoulder and that effort would slow me down just a smidge.

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>>42163972
>>42164032
I fucking knew it lmao

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>>42164155
>Using a sticky substance (that dries out and hardens) as a lubricant
A sure route to a malfunction

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So I think I shall finally get around to finishing Throatslicer. Throatslicer was a large knife from the Fallout 4 Dlc Nuka World made from a lawnmower blade and was hella OP. The blade I am using to make it I had originally used to make the New Vegas "machete" which was just a full-length mower blade with a handle attached. It came out well enough but I was never really satisfied with how it handled, the balance was poor and the way the handle attached to the blade was weak and uncomfortable. Reducing the overall length by about a third and making it full tang will be far superior. The machete also had a saber style bevel to it where Throatslicer has a full length and more acute bevel far better suited for slicing throats than for chopping.

I've got this nice piece of dry hickory that I'm going to cut down to make the grip panels. One side will be inletted for the tang both will he epoxied on and then once I have the shaped the way I want them I will drill the holes for the screws and the lanyard loop and then finish-up the blade. Probably not going to do the "serated" notched on the edge though as on the in-game model look more like chips and cracks than serrations and I'm not a big fan of serrations in the first place.

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Move over Sig Sauer and the rest, Lenovo's about to make you its bitch

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I didn't want to start another thread for this story. Since it's /k/ related, I'll leave it here.

I never heard of this ammo maker until this story hit the web. It's nice to see ammo makers take chances to make a point.

Ammunition Company REFUSES To Sell To Biden Voters, INFURIATING Them

LOL! Ammo Company Has a Special Message For Biden Supporters

Ouch.

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>>42164404
>I never heard of this ammo maker until this story hit the web.
>It's nice to see ammo makers take chances to make a point.
The cynic in me wonders if the actual point was simply to get free publicity for their product, in the hope of attracting new customers. In any case, it seems to have worked well for them in that regard.

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I found a Scar 16S that is not marked up 1000 dollars, and I want one pretty badly to complement my 17.

Fuck. I'm suffering over it.

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>>42164722
They sold out. PSA only had 3 of them and the opportunity passed after 30 minutes of deliberation.

I'm somewhat glad. I've been trying not to spend frivolously on guns. I've made it almost a year without purchasing any guns, and I feel getting a suppressor, a bunch of MP5 mags, and reloading stuff doesn't count.

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So I called a store in August and made a reservation of sorts and I was number 2 in line.

They called me back this morning and the first person in line declined on it.

This is what I came home with today.

Edit: also, I hope you like my foot.
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>>42164783

Wouldn't be much of /k/ post without feet now would it?

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Arsenal SLR107R or Cugir WASR10: Which AK Should You Buy & Why?

>Mishaco says WASR > SLR107R


Gypsies: 1
Bulgarians: 0

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>>42164785
And it wouldn't be a Ponychan thread without thighs.

>>42164910
They cost about the same when I bought my 107R.

I'm thinking of selling it.

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>>42164912

Why? Something wrong with it?

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>>42164919
Not that I know of. I bought it in June with the intent that I might flip it, and it is still unfired.

I'll probably just keep it and slap wood on it because I don't have an AK like that yet.
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>>42164959

I'll trade you

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>>42164960
For what? If I like it, we can exchange FFL's on discord.

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>>42164961

Black ZPAP (got surplus wood too) or the side folding WASR?

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So I bought a Choate stock, a 4 position bullet pictogram lower (purely for aeshtetics and not breaking the law), and a vertical foregrip for my K. I'll be ordering my finger print cards to form 1 it soon.

>>42164963
They're nice, but I don't like PAPs that much. I've always wanted a WASR, but they're too high right now.

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>>42165003

Too high?

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>>42165017
Everything's too high right now. But then again, I remember when you could get a WASR for 400 bucks.

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>>42165018

That's why I offered it, I won't sell but trades are on the table.

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Before everyone screams vaporware, this new AR build is the only entrant in the crowded AR marketplace shilled without shame by Gun Jesus himself. Given he was burned before, I think he learned his lesson and thought long and hard over supporting a new production rifle.

The What Would Stoner Do 2020 rifle is in production and will be sold through Brownells, who is taking reservations without down payment today.

Ian is taking a massive personal risk shilling for this if things go sour.

WWSD2020 - Final Production Specifications

WWSD2020 Rifle: First European Review!!!

https://www.brownells.com/firearms/rifles/semi-auto/ar-15-kp-15-what-would-stoner-do-2020-rifle-prod132663.aspx

You can buy the complete polymer lower used for the rifle for just under $200 from KE Arms.

http://www.kearms.com/products-for-kp15

Good luck and Godspeed gentlemen.


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