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/k/ General

The go to place for the discussion of weapons.

#Cyclic

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>>42147890
Time to get a .44.

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>>42147915
>9mm unavailable

Solves 90% of crime in my Oakland, depending on block stockpiles.

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>>42147915
Just get 2 .22s, its cheaper.

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I bought a vertical foregrip and B&T stock for my MP5K and am going to apply for my $200 cuck stamp soon.

Pic related is the exact look I'm going for.

Electronic Form 1's are fucking quick these days. My friend got a stamp for his Bren 2 in exactly 1 month. I'll probably get it way before my suppressor.

I will also probably get it cerakoted, because the cheap Paki spraypaint wears off really quickly and looks like ass.
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>>42148105
>Cuck stamp

Why?

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>>42148110
Adding the stock makes it a SBR, right?

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>>42148110
The rubber pad on the PDW brace gets in the way of my ear pro, the receiver gets really hot when you shoot it, and you're forced to hold onto it underneath the trunnion if you don't have a VFG. Plus, it looks cooler if you put a proper stock on it.

I think those are all good reasons, despite all of the cons of owning an SBR.

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So I filed for my form 1 online yesterday. Other than the system being slow, filling out the paperwork was very easy.

Because I already bought a suppressor through SilencerShop and they took my fingerprints at their kiosk, I had them send me the fingerprint cards I needed for the Form 1.

It's a waiting game now.

Pic is not mine.
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Who plum in here?

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>>42148536
I see you are also a man of culture.

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Found this, made me think of you guys.
https://www.reddit.com/r/recoilbutts/

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>>42148540
ah fuck

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Time for a rare Vietnamese War era Chinese military semi-auto pistol with an integral silencer. This example is one of the cleanest survivors I've ever seen. Ian provides a tear down of the majority of the pistol including the suppressor.

The Type 64 Silenced pistol.
The Coolest Gun You Will See All Day: China's Type 64 Silenced Pistol

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>>42148540

Very nice.

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I think I shoot my Beretta PX4 more accurately than my Glock 48. (Pic related was with my Beretta at 5 yards; the big black circle is 7.8 inches in diameter.) Either that I've just improved. Either way, I still need to practice more, because I still sometimes get really terrible groups.

>>42147867

>If you can find a Silencer Shop dealer in your area like I just did, it will expedite your process.
Yup, and I finally got around to getting fingerprinted today at the kiosk today.

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>>42148612
>hubble takes shot of new galaxy far far away

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>>42148620
You forgot to add the caption "[date] ABY, colorized."

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So in one of the Song of Ice and Fire books Arya and one of her merry band were tasked with cleaning chainmail by putting in barrels filled with sand and rolling them around until the sand had scoured away the rust. That sounded like a perfectly reasonable idea to me at the time but when my hauberk got rusty I first tried to remove it with cleaning vinegar which is my usual go-to for such tasks. I then planned to dry it with ye olde propane torch but I failed to take into account chainmail's massive amount of surface area and thus also just how little heat transferred between rings.
Once I realized the kind of sisyphean effort heating mail with a torch was I tried instead heating everything all at once by boiling the mail in the vinegar. Outside of course. If you've never inhaled concentrated vinegar steam be grateful, cuz it is awful.
The idea was of course that the hot vinegar would quickly evaporate from the hot rings but... of course the rings cooled almost instantly once removed from the pot and hung-up. Thus the vinegar was left to rust the rings just as much as they had been before.

So over the weekend I went and got a bucket and 50 pounds of sand and did it the old fashioned way. The sand couldn't get all the rust from the solid rings because they're stamp-cut and thus are concave on one side but it still did a pretty good job. Now I just need to replace a couple broken rings and I'll be good to go. Though I was also thinking about getting a welded stainless steel hauberk as well.
I know a guy who has a titanium hauberk which weighs nothing and doesn't rust but also costs ten times as much as steel.

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>>42148774
I've heard good things about Evapo-Rust. I bought some and I'm trying it out now; will post update after it's done.

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>>42148774
For thin metal grates, you can low pressure sand blast them clean.
Can you not do the same for chainmail?

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>>42148777

Sure, would just take a while to get at all of it since there's so many small parts which all overlap each other. Putting it in a sand-filled bucket does basically the same thing but to all of it at once.

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>>42148776
The EvapoRust seems to have worked pretty well on my can opener.

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So I ordered a Yugo mags and got an M64 magazine with an M70 follower. Never had one of these before, kind of neat.

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>>42148911
those are the mags that keep the bolt open right?

heard those are difficult to come by

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>>42148914

They're not super rare but they're not the most common mags either. The M64s are less common than standard Yugos, I've never actually seen one in person before now and I've dug through literal barrels of AK mags.

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Here's one for all the Calico fans in this thread.

Gun Jesus runs his personal 9mm carbine with a single 100 round magazine he had just put 200 rounds through and was in the middle of adding another 100 rounds on the range. He stated this was a real world no cleaning test, so the gun was not cleaned. It shows half way through the video. It stated strong but fell flat when the failure to feed events began.

When it works, it's awesome. When it malfunctions, it's a bitch.

Calico Reliability Testing: Round 3!

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Got myself a CS M1852 Navy officer's sword. While it was originally a saber with a lightly curved blade it was changed to straight-blade spadroon a few years after the ACW.
A spadroon is the bastard offspring of a backsword and a saber and is wielded like a smallsword. While you can cut with it it is primarily a thrusting blade.
The sword knot and book also new purchases. The Influence of Sea Power is probably the most important text on naval warfare to have come out in the last 200 years and is responsible for the mass build-up of battleships from the late 19th to mid 20th century.
As an engineer I was more familiar with Alfred Mahan's father Dennis Hart Mahan who wrote the books on fortification construction and siegecraft used in the US(and by both sides in the ACW) through most of the 19th century.

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Getting a new knife tomorrow lads.

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I tried out some Atomic Tactical Cycling Subsonic 5.56x45mm ammo in my Kel-Tec RDB (20.5-inch barrel with a 1:7 twist). The ammo cycled just fine, but it seems to be keyholing at even 5 yards (lower right quadrant of pic).

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<= Close-up of the subsonic 5.56mm rounds from >>42149131

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I also got heavy leather clamshell gauntlets which fit over my Darth Vader gauntlets and offer a bit more protection when wielding polearms.

>>42149131
>>42149132

Yep, that looks like keyholing. That's the 112gr stuff?

>>42149103

What kind of Ka-nife?

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>>42149228
>That's the 112gr stuff?
Yup.

>heavy leather clamshell gauntlets

Nice gauntlets! Do they make it harder to grab and hold things?

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>>42149243
>Do they make it harder to grab and hold things?

A little. They're a bit too bulky to get into the enclosed hilt of a saber but then a saber's hilt is enclosed specifically so as not to require such a thing to protect your hand. So not that big a deal.

As regards the subsonic 5.56mm, well numerous things have been done to try and make a proper "silent" platform and none of them have really worked out that well. See 5.56 gets it's significant terminal effectiveness from it's high velocity and of course the supersonic crack of a high velocity bullet greatly reduces it's quietness. To make a cartridge subsonic you either need to reduce the powder load, increase the bullet weight or a bit of both. Now they first tried turning an M16 into a DeLisle-esque silent rifle in Vietnam. Fitted with a wet suppressor with wipes and using reduced powder ammo the Navy Seals who field tested them in the Mekong delta found them to be nigh-worthless as the guys they shot with them reacted less like they had been shot and more like they had been stung by an angry hornet. Clearly they'd cut the velocity way too much getting the decibels down.
Probably your problem is that the 112gr is just too long and heavy for the Kel-tec. Kel-tec's barrels and rifling are pretty basic.

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I loathe that you cannot ship deactivated guns to the United States from the EU.

I'd be willing to pay for some of these for decoration.

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>>42149271
I see. I guess things like that were the motivation for .300 BLK?

>>42149312
>I loathe that you cannot ship deactivated guns to the United States from the EU.
What do you mean by "deactivated"? Can't you just remove the receiver and ship the rest of the parts? Or is this a EU law rather than a US law?
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>>42149316
I don't know the regulations, or how they deactivate guns, but EU deactivated gun sites will explicitly not sell to the United States due to their own laws.

When guns are sent to the US for parts, the receiver has to be cut with a plasma torch in 3 sections (I think), with 1 of the pieces of the receiver being discarded so it cannot be easily reactivated. The barrel must also be excluded from the parts kit so that no part can be used to make an easily operable weapon.

Pic related.

That's just the way it is, nigga.
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A month ago, I placed an ammo order with OpticsPlanet for a price that I suspected was a bit too good to be true... and it was lol. I just got an email today informing that instead of taking 1 month to be ready to ship, it will actually take 3 months. Oh well, at least they don't charge my credit card until it actually ships.

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>>42149543
I had no idea Optics Planet sold ammo, but waiting for backorders from then us the norm, even when they say they have the product in stock.

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>>42149543

Yeah, Optics Planet is about as shitty as Cheaper Than Dirt. Best to avoid them.

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LWRC told me they could change my M6A2 upper's barrel from 16 to 10.5, and they could also put an adjustable gas block on it, so I sent it to them.

I'm going to turn it into an SBR and get a 5.56 can next.

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My form 1 was approved TODAY. Yipee.

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>>42149656
Thanks. It was a life goal.

It took less than 3 weeks to get my stamp approved by doing an e-form 1.

It's never been a better time to get a stamp if you're into that sort of thing.
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I'm THIS close to just going all in on AKs.

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>>42149687
Eventually I'll get around to buying one.

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>>42149667
>It took less than 3 weeks to get my stamp approved by doing an e-form 1.
Wow, that's fast for the ATF! Did you file as an individual or a trust?

I think I'm going to file an eForm 1 to make a suppressor. 3 weeks sure beats 7 months.

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>>42149690

Embrace your inner slav now

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>Willingly registering firearms with the federal government.

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>>42149713
i like this post

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>>42149713

I don't wanna do it either

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>>42149698
What would you say is a reasonable price for one?

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>>42149713
I don't think most people willingly do it, or do it because we want to. We do it because it's the law.

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>>42149696
I filed as an individual. My suppressor, though, I filed as a trust.

>>42149713
Worst case scenario, I'll lose them in some boating accident or some shit.

>>42149735
These days, paying around 1k seems to be the standard rate.

AK's aren't really worth it anymore for what you pay for them unless you like them and really want to have one.

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>>42149735

Now is actually the worst point the AK market has ever been at, most stuff is perpetually out of stock and what you can find is overpriced.

If you really look, you can get something decent for about $800. For that you can build a pretty nice AR with all the fixins.

But if you want that AK goodness, you're gonna pay to play. I don't believe that they are not worth it, they offer a different experience and have real strengths something like an AR does not even now.

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>>42149738
>>42149740
Well shit, that's disappointing. What do you guys recommend instead of an AK-47? Preferably something that can switch between automatic and semi-automatic (yes I know civilians can't buy automatic AKs).

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>>42149741

AR15

Still AK if you can get one for less than 1k.

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>>42149742
Noted. Looking online, I did see some AK-47s for $700-$800, but I'm sure it'll be different in local gun shops.
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>>42149741
>Preferably something that can switch between automatic and semi-automatic...
What did he mean by this?

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>>42149748
>hello fellow gun likers, i am a gun liker to. Please tell me, how does one commit a felony?

>>42149736
??

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>>42149743

Online prices are always better. Order online and have it shipped to your local shop if they'll accept it.

Or check Armslist and see if any private sellers have good deals.

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>>42149741
>Preferably something that can switch between automatic and semi-automatic
Don't expect to pay much less than $7,000 for a transferable machine gun. Plus, you'll have a wait of several months between paying for it and being allowed to take possession. And if you ever move to a different state, you'll need to deal with more paperwork and waiting.

>(yes I know civilians can't buy automatic AKs).

There are some transferable AK-47s that were registered prior to the 1986 ban. Here's one for $35,600:
https://otbfirearms.com/pre-norinco-ak-47s-56s-7-62x39mm-mg/

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>>42149763

God, I'd love that.

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>>42149763
Iirc any receiver built before 86 can still be converted and registered.

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>>42149762
Thanks, I'll do that. Is there an added fee when you have it shipped to a local shop?

>>42149748
>>42149757
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>>42149757
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>>42149763
Yikes. I'm not that desperate, so I guess I may as well get a semi automatic.

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>>42149766

Just the transfer fee, but that'd be built into the price of anything you bought from them anyway so you might as well go for the savings.

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>>42149743
Avoid any American-made AK made by Century or Riley Defense or any other American company. The only exception for Century are the WASR-10's, which aren't made by Century at all, but are imported from Romania.

I'm going to catch a lot of flack for saying it, but Palmetto State Armory's new line of cold hammer forged rifles might turn to be an exception to the rule that American AK's are shit, but there's not enough information out on them yet.

In general, I'd stick with a WASR-10 or Zastava's PAP rifles.
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>>42149776

ZPAP is best bang for buck
WASR is best if you must have standard furniture
PSA 103s are maybe...here's hoping.

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>>42149766
For a vast majority of practical situations, semi-auto operation is better than full-auto anyway. For an AK-47 with a firing rate of 600 rounds/minutes, a 30-round magazine will last only 3 seconds on full-auto, and accuracy goes to shit. The standard-issue M16A4 doesn't even have full-auto, instead only three-round burst, semi-auto, and safe. Combat-effective machine guns are usually belt-fed and mounted to a massive object to mitigate muzzle climb.

If for whatever reason you need a higher rate of fire, maybe consider a binary trigger or a double-barreled AR-15. Probably a normal semi-auto would be best, though.

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>>42149779
Sometimes you need to spit 30 rounds of unbridled hatred at someone without regard for collateral damage.
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>>42149777
Nice sevens!

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>>42149793

Trips of truth

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>>42149796

Buck and Ball is nice. I like the Winchester PDX-1 12 gauge buck and ball.

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After years of apprehension, I think I've reached the point in my life where a .357 lever action is something that should have a spot in my inventory.

Though, i think a bolt or slide action would still be preferable, but not at the price/quality available.

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>>42149839
Don't be a fucking pussy.

Get a .45-70.

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>>42149840
I feel as though the phrase "weapons system" escapes you.

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>>42149839
What are the advantages of a bolt action over a lever action?

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>>42149843
You can go prone and cycle the action with more ease, and with the exception of old savage skip its, lever actions tend to be tube fed, and bolt actions box magazine fed, which means you can feed it faster, overall.

The price of ruger m77/357s have actually come down to where they are comparable to Henry Rifles so its looking more like thats a contender.
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>>42149767
>>42149776
>>42149777
>>42149779
Thanks for the advice. And like I said, I'm not desperate for automatic. If it's that inaccurate (well either way, really), semi-automatic is perfectly fine The main thing was AK-47 because I've heard a lot of good things about it.

>>42149844
I have a bolt action rifle that's tube fed.

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>>42149846
Nice, me too.

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>>42149846

You won't get anything select-fire with ease anyway, just go semi.

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do the chinese still make the type-56?

dunno why they replaced it with the shitty QBZ

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>>42149696
>I think I'm going to file an eForm 1 to make a suppressor.
Now I begin.

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>>42149847
I haven't shot it in years though. To be honest, I'm not sure where it is. For all I know, it's at my dad's house.

>>42149883
Will do. To be honest, I didn't even know they make semi-automatic AKs before this conversation.

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>>42149909
>Using plain-jane ball ammo
I bet AP or API would have taken one shot.

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>>42149913
>>42149909
Oops. I forgot my image, because avatar-fagging is important.
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Why is everyone itt registering their guns with ATF? After all the shit about the evil government coming to get them, its weird y'all are rolling out the welcome mat.


>>42149891
I thought we figured out it was a marlin?
You should buy ammo for that instead of an ak47

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>>42149913
They were using AP rounds.

Also, the lock itself didn't break. Just the shackle did.
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>>42149909

Those Squires are no joke. They're twice the size of the S&G 831 or 833 and those are rated to stop 30'06 AP.

My 831B is on the far right.
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>>42149916
>Why is everyone itt registering their guns with ATF? After all the shit about the evil government coming to get them, its weird y'all are rolling out the welcome mat.
because >>42149736
>I don't think most people willingly do it, or do it because we want to. We do it because it's the law.
Also
>I thought we figured out it was a marlin?
>You should buy ammo for that instead of an ak47
I don't remember, did we? The thread is cyclic, so those posts where I originally brought up potentially bringing it into a gunsmith to get it looked at are gone, but regardless, like I said, I have no idea where it is, so there's not much of a benefit to buying ammo if I don't know if my idiot father got rid of it, assuming it's at his house and not this one.
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>>42149956
There is no law that says you have to apply for an NFA tax stamp to and build a short barreled rifle or sound suppressor, and subsequently register it with ATF.

Actually, its against the law for the federal government to keep a registry of privately owned firearms outside that special circumstance. So dont just make stuff up, learn the laws.


Find your gun.
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>>42149957
>There is no law that says you have to apply for an NFA tax stamp to build a short barreled rifle or sound suppressor, and subsequently register it with ATF.
OK, yeah, there is no subsequent registering after getting the tax stamp. But my understanding was that normal civilians (i.e., without an FFL/SOT license) definitely need a tax stamp to make a sound suppressor or SBR. Is that wrong?

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>>42149958
ffs
There is no law that says you need to own a SBR or suppressor.

esp in the time of sig braces, idk what would compel anyone to get ATF involved with their personal collection of firearms.

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far as i can tell you only need to register shit with the ATF if you're selling guns or making guns to sell

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>>42149961
You have to if you want to buy/build an NFA item as well like a short barrel rifle/shotgun or a sound suppressor, or a pre 1986 machine gun (machine guns after 86 cant be owned privately).

Thats what im getting at, i dont think the advantage of those items outweighs the risk of registration.

>>42149958
btw im saying "ffs" to myself in that post, not you.
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>>42149962
yeah if you care about the government not knowing you have guns then it's not worth it.

if you just want to have those things because... you like them or whatever, then sure why not.

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>>42149963
See >>42149916
>After all the shit about the evil government coming to get them, its weird y'all are rolling out the welcome mat.

My question is why some of the same people who go on about how the government is going to do this or that, and things like registering a gun is a crime, then turn around and register their stuff.

Its like, how can you talk shit about ATF constantly, say they are evil and shit, compare them to things like the gestapo, then turn around and give them your name, address, phone number, a list of your fears, and an open invite to your house, just to own a stock, instead of a "pistol brace".

Myself, personally, wouldnt do it because i wouldnt risk 10 years in prison and 100k dollar fine over a clerical error.
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>>42149960
>>42149962
>i dont think the advantage of those items outweighs the risk of registration.
Of course there's a risk that the ATF might use my registration data to confiscate my suppressor in the future if Congress changes the law. But I'll take the (small, IMHO) chance of losing my suppressor in the future over the 100% chance of not having a suppressor if I don't buy/make one at all.

>Myself, personally, wouldnt do it because i wouldnt risk 10 years in prison and 100k dollar fine over a clerical error.

I don't think anyone has ever been sentenced to 10 years in prison for just making a clerical error in their paperwork.

>>42149964
>Its like, how can you talk shit about ATF constantly, say they are evil and shit, compare them to things like the gestapo,
I think a lot of that is just hyperbole/memes/shitposting?

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>>42149964
You're acting like I took your guns and registered them, my nigga.

Re-lax.

I'm not keen on it either, and there are more disadvantages to having an SBR, but I've never used a brace that I've liked.

There are some things I have that I'll probably never stamp because they're too precious, though, like my Zenith.

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>>42149969
I just made the one comment, the rest was just responding to people.

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Short Barreled Rifle Vs Pistol Brace

Relevant. though i haven't watched it yet.

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Fair enough, pretty fair assessment of the situation. Im happy he mentioned that you can actually avoid the whole thing by just leaving everything off the gun and just treating it as its own thing.
Personally, if i ever do another short barrel ar pistol type thing, i would prob just foam the tube and be done with it. i really like it that way tbh before the braces came along.
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So I've been mentally scripting a short history of the bayonet for a while and now I'm gonna inflict it upon all y'all. Be grateful(This is a threat).

[Part 1]
So I think everybody knows that gunpowder was invented in ancient China. Specifically by alchemists seeking to create the Elixir of Life. Because what else would alchemists be doing?
Of course it didn't take long for someone to realize this stuff could be made into fireworks and that fireworks made pretty good weapons. They started by lashing what amounts to an M-80 to arrows and what amounts to a Roman Candle to a lance. Which was no doubt pants-shittingly terrifying to whatever poor schmucks first encountered them. Well from the fire lance evolved the hand-cannon, which at the time was not a large-caliber pistol but a literal cannon mounted on the end of a spear shaft and touched-off with a match. Now it's interesting that they first took a polearm and mounted fireworks to it but then dropped the spear head from it to make the earliest proper firearms cuz not only was that clearly a mistake, it was a mistake that would take roughly 500 years to correct.
Why was that a mistake you ask? Elementary my dear readers, because that relegated the firearm to the role of an auxiliary weapon like the bow and the crossbow. Which was a problem since the bow and crossbow were superior to the gun in range, accuracy and rate of fire. The gun's only advantage was that any peasant could be trained to use it in a day or two and the muzzle blast, report and gunsmoke were quite demoralizing to men and horses alike.
The famous Swordsman Miyamoto Musashi had this to say about firearms in The Book of Five Rings:
<From inside fortifications, the gun has no equal among weapons. It is the supreme weapon on the field before the ranks clash, but once swords are crossed the gun becomes useless. One of the virtues of the bow is that you can see the arrows in flight and correct your aim accordingly, whereas gunshot cannot be seen. You must appreciate the importance of this.
Now firearms came late to Japan, that's because it was the Portuguese who brought them there and anyone who is familiar with geography will recognize that Portugal is about as far away from Japan as it's possible to be while still remaining in the "old world." They appeared there at about the time of the Sengoku period, aka the "warring states" era which Musashi was born into near the end of. Popular mythology notwithstanding the Japanese took to guns like bears to honey. They even made some minor improvements to the arqebus and musket as well as the peascod breastplate and morion helm. It would have been interesting to see what new developments the nigh-autistic Japanese might have come up with but when the warring states era gave way to the Tokugawa Shogunate, Tokugawa Ieyasu ordered that guns be turned in and melted down and the Japanese, being the borderline hivemind madlads that they are actually went an turned them all in!

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[Part 2]
Now that that little digression is out of the way we come to our next digression: The "pike and shot" era. Throughout history infantry and cavalry have fought for supremacy of the battlefield, new technologies making sometimes one and other times the other superior. The "pike and shot" formation was a case of Infantry gaining the superior position in this contest. It consisted of a dense square(later rectangle) of men armed with pikes(long spears) at it's core with arquebusier and/or musketeer formations arrayed to the fore and flanks of this formation. Cavalry, even heavy armored cavalry could not successfully charge into a square of pikes as, even if you could force your horse to not turn and go around it as even well-trained warhorse's base survival instincts would compel it to do, all you'd end-up doing is impaling yourself onto said pikes and that's assuming you don't get the shit shot out of you before you even get there.
Pike and shot lasted about 300 years give or take until finally, the bayonet came onto the scene.
The bayonet is sometimes attributed to the famous French siege engineer Sébastien Le Prestre de Vauban who served under King Louis XIV. To military engineers Vauban is basically a rock star. He designed and built some of the largest and finest fortifications the world has ever known and also turned the practice of besieging and conquering such fortifications into an art and science.
His designs are in fact, still being used to this day:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35863/the-french-army-is-building-renaissance-style-fortresses-in-africa
And if you like Warhammer 40,000, Storm of Iron by Graham McNeill has the Iron Warriors Chaos Space Marines besieging a Vauban-style bastion fort 38,000 years in the future.
But once again I digress.
Now, Vauban probably did not actually invent the bayonet. Like, he probably didn't have a Eureka! moment, rush off to the nearest smithy and hammer-out the world's first bayonet. What he did do is recognize that, rather than having two sets of troops, one armed with guns and the other with pikes why don't we just mount the pike head onto the guns? Though history does not record it, we have to assume someone immediately yelled "BRILLIANT!" while everyone else around him slapped themselves on the forehead several times for not thinking of that themselves sometime in the last 500 or so years.
Now you might look at a 15 to 20 foot-long pike and then look at a ~5' long musket with a ~2' long bayonet on it and think: "Well that's just not going to work! Aren't pikes as long as they are to keep cavalry at bay?" Well that's a reasonable concern but, nearly 300 years of pike and shot dominance had greatly reduced the commonality of heavy cavalry, horses are still hesitant to plow right into a dense square or rectangular formation and, now that pretty much everyone in your formation is armed with a musket you're able to put out a greater weight of fire before they even get to you.
On top of that, while it doesn't weigh any less than a long pike a musket/bayonet is much, much shorter than a pike and thus much more mobile. The "push of pike," where two pike formations clashed was a (relatively)slow and grinding affair which somewhat resembled the clash of phalanx from ages past which went on until one broke and ran. With musket and bayonet men would still march out into the field in dense formation but then once in position they could choose to advance via a rolling barrage, having the first rank fire, kneel to reload while the next rank steps forward, fires, kneels, and so on. They could retreat while firing much the same way as they advanced, though this was called "countermarching" rather than retreating to avoid the troops misunderstanding and getting all panicked. Or, and this was a method especially favored by the British they could march to within spitting distance of the enemy, have three or four ranks fire a simultaneous volley and then immediately charge through the gunsmoke with bayonets fixed screaming their fool heads off ready to bury cold steel in the guts of anyone who didn't run away quite fast enough. It was this method in particular which got people to thinking for the next 200+ years, all the way up til the first world war, that victory turned upon the point of the bayonet. Thing about that is though, that while it was the fear of cold steel that caused the foe to break and run, as B.H. Liddell Hart points out in his book: Strategy, it wasn't the bayonet alone but rather it and the strategy that allowed you to get the bayonet to within gut-poking range which won the battle. Hence why, when the British decided they should have their troops silently slow-march across no-man's-land thinking it would make them look all the scarier that the Germans didn't obligingly scream like a pack of 9-year-old girls and abandon their trenches, maxim guns, mortars and artillery. Shocking yeah?

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[Part 3]
The bayonet is no more magical a weapon than any other and like any other it is only useful in certain times and places. Some people would argue that they bayonet has been obsolete since WW1 cuz it didn't work then. Except of course that modern combat rarely resembles the meat grinder of WW1. While we also don't generally utilize the massed-formations that would call for a proper bayonet charge they have none the less happened quite recently. The USMC and the British military have both utilized bayonet charges in Iraq back in the 00's. I think most people here will have seen Black Hawk Down. One of the big reasons that incident turned into the fustercluck that it was is because the raids that Delta and the Rangers had become complacent allowing the enemy to shoot down the Blackhawks, and also, leaving behind essential kit. The movie makes a point of showing the Rangers leaving behind their night vision and their ballistic plates in favor of carrying more ammo but they also left behind canteens and bayonets. Without NOD's, once night fell there was real concern that they might be overrun at close-quarters causing them to also regret their lack of bayonets.
Having said that, the bayonet sticks around in the modern military primarily for 1) training troops to be aggressive in engaging an enemy at close-quarters. Even though they're almost certainly going to be shooting them rather than sticking them training such as the bayonet assault course and pugil stick combatives helps condition a soldier to get stuck-in and bring the fight to the enemy and 2) The modern bayonet, being more of combat knife than a spearhead also often makes a decent multi-tool. Many having saw teeth and a wire cutter, bottle opener and whatever else.

Finally, while the rifle/bayonet might seem unwieldy compared to other melee weapons unless you find yourself facing a knight armed with a proper, full-length polearm chances are you're gonna come out alright. While sources from the 17th and 18th century tended to imply that the sword was superior to the rifle/bayonet by the reckoning that the bayoneteer is going to be inferior in training and skill to the swordsman but by the 19th century the codification of rifle/bayonet combatives combined with their greater reach had reduced that to a fair degree and put the swordsman on the defensive.
In terms of massed formations, Scottish Highlanders preferred rather than the bayonet to fire a volley, drop their muskets, draw broadsword and targe(a smallish to medium-sized shield) and charge. Taking the bayonet on the targe and then running the redcoat through with the broadsword. Which worked well until the British began training to bayonet the guy just to his right rather than the one directly in front of him. So you'd catch that Scot on his sword-arm side while your buddy to your left got the one bearing down on you(hopefully).
Here in the US we have the Modern Army Cobatives Program or MACP. The Marine Corp Martial Arts Program or MCMAP, There's numerous classic texts on the subject like Cold Steel by John Styers, not be confused with Alfred Hutton's book of the same name about saber fencing, Bloody Bayonets by R.A. Lidstone(I need dead tree copies of both of these) HEMA bayonet fencing and if that's not weeaboo enough for you there's Jukendo which is the Japanese historical martial art of bayonet fencing.

Now, on my command! Fix! Bayonets!

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>>42149885

Yeah, they make them for export still. Euros get them cheap. Apparently quality has tanked since they lost the American market though.

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>>42149891

Oh yeah, most of them are in the US.

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>>42149979
damn it

we should be getting them cheap then

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>>42149981

Import restrictions have to go.

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>>42149978

This guy gets it.

That was basically a rough draft for a video I may or may not actually get around to making. I need to flesh-out the details and format a bit more yet.

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>>42149984
It was a good read, i dont really have much more to add, just absorbing the info.

Do it. The only difference between a youtuber and everyone else, is they did it.

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It's coming together

>>42150003

Want

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The Ruger AR-15 clone is on sale near me for $699. I kinda want to buy one. But it would be somewhat redundant given I already have a Kel-Tec RDB. I wonder what the chances are of the Biden actually getting legislation passed to classify AR-15s as NFA items. Maybe I should just buy a stripped lower for $100. TBH, I still think that AR-15s are a bit ugly; I prefer the aesthetics of the Mini-14.

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>>42150222
Aero Precision also makes really good rifles in that price range I'd recommend to anyone.

You just can't get them right now, or anything, really.

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>>42150226
This site claims to have Aero Precision lower receivers in stock for $89:
https://www.primaryarms.com/aero-precision-m4e1-stripped-lower-receiver-black

Sounds like a good deal, except I doubt I'd be able to put together a full rifle with good parts for a reasonable price in these times. Ugh! I just hope the situation doesn't get much worse after the election.

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>>42150227

If yer willing to double your money, you can find LWRC's direct impingement offerings for MSRP still.

[url]]https://www.gunbroker.com/item/877792525[/url]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/877869455[/url]

I have one of these, and they're great, and worth it.

I think their barrels are proprietary, though.

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>>42150230
That's a quite a bit of money! How do those differ from the cheaper Ruger model? Are they less likely to jam?

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>>42150234

>How do those differ from the cheaper Ruger model?


Depends which Ruger and which LWRC

>Are they less likely to jam?


No

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>>42150222

Buy a stripped lower and build your own.

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>>42150237

Things that are different:

>1:8 twist vs 1:7 (milspec) twist

>Medium profile vs Fluted A2 profile
>Proprietary fixed gas block vs low profile
>carbine handguards vs free float rail
>Muzzle devices are different
>Standard right handed vs ambidextrous controls
>Milspec stock vs LWRC CAR stock
>Ruger weird grip vs MOE grip
>Lower fencing is different
>Carbine gas system vs midlength gas

There's more but it doesn't matter.

You can build a better one than either for less.

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>>42150238
>fixed gas block
Oh, that might be a problem if I put on a suppressor...

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>>42150234
You get fully ambi controls, a heavy profile barrel with reduced weight after it is spiral fluted, and an accessory rail. I'd really recommend staying away from their proprietary rail and get the M-Lok instead, due to compatibility of accessories, and not having to buy LWRC's rail panels.

You also get a nickel boron coated bolt carrier group, and the bolt carrier and gas key are monolithic, instead of having a staked gas key. The rifle is still compatible with regular M16 bolt carriers, however.

They're underrated, and there are rifles that don't come with the same features that cost more.

All of these features don't make the gun run any better, but they just make it nice.

Rev's right that you can build a better rifle if you bought all of the components piece by piece, but if you're having a hard time finding parts and feel like you can't afford to wait, then a gun like that is a solid option if you need one now.

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>>42150239

If you MUST panic buy something now rather than building, the Ruger is the better value. You can change things like the gas block and handguard with ease, and the LWRC has a lot of gucci features that are not at all necessary for performance.

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>>42150240
It looks like a very nice rifle... but I'm having trouble justifying spending that much money on what is mostly a panic buy. If things get better, I might kick myself for not waiting for prices to come down.

>>42150241
Since I have no experience with AR-15s, I'm a bit hesitant to build one as my first. If I buy a whole rifle and a part is defective, I can send the whole thing back to the manufacturer and ask them to figure out what is wrong. But if I build my own, it's on me to figure out which piece is defective or (more likely) what I did wrong in assembling it. So I'd rather wait until I'm more familiar with the AR-15 before trying to build one myself.

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>>42150242

It's literally like putting together legos, it isn't nearly as intimidating as people assume.

I built all but one of mine, and the only one that had any issues was the factory built one. A stripped lower and a parts kit from a reputable company (I always use CMMG) will have you set up for success. Then get whatever upper you want and slap it on.

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>>42150245

PSA is fine, my first build was a PSA and I never had any issues with it.

Here's the LPK I normally use

https://www.primaryarms.com/cmmg-complete-ar-15-lower-receiver-parts-kit-cmmg55ca6c5

I would advise, however, that you look for an upper with a chrome lined barrel. There's nothing wrong with Chrome-moly Vanadium but the chrome lining greatly extends barrel life. Don't need a cold hammer forged barrel, but chrome lining is a must in my opinion. Nitride treated at minimum.

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>>42150242
>I'm having trouble justifying spending that much money on what is mostly a panic buy.

It's no matter. Whatever you go with, you'll probably have more money for ammo and accessories, anyway, which really does matter.

If you can find all of the parts you need and you can afford to do so, it is imperative you buy them now. If you cannot find parts, but can find a quality, complete rifle that you can afford, it is imperative you buy it now. I don't consider any of that panic buying.

Panic buying is buying a weapon for well above its value.

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>>42150285
>>42150289
Thanks for the advice! I'm going to try to find something this month or early next month, before the election. Chrome-lined barrels seem a bit scarce; I might have to settle for a nitrided barrel.

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>>42149097
Ian is a glutton for punishment. He heard from Calico and they made two suggestions. One, they shipped him a fresh striker spring and advised him to reduce the number of cranks on the 100 round magazine. They recommenced that 23 full cranks was the maximum and that anything between 18 and 20 will work.

So, Ian installed the new spring and used 20 cranks on the magazine as recommended by the factory. He also showed a close up of the action after 250+ rounds from the first three videos. It was filthy beyond imaging for just 250 rounds. So, he cleaned that to be fair and restarted the experiment with a fresh gun.

Hilarity ensues.
Calico Reliability Testing: Round 4, the Saga Continues...
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The Bundswehr just announced Haenel as the winner of the new service rifle contract.

Pic related.

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>>42150352

>keymod

>2011+9

Why?

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>>42150369
>>overloading rails meme
>>2011+9

It's one good way to prevent try hards from putting too much crap on their range toys.

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>>42150384

It's not even about overloading, it's about being the weakest choice of any rail interfacing system out there. At least use MLOK.

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DONG DONG DONG DONG DOOOOOOONG

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>>42150425
Faggot nigger.

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>>42150431

Thanks I hate it

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>>42150435
yeah u wuld, fgt

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>>42150439

BIG

MEATY

DONGS

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>>42150440
still fuckin' disappoint af that u nvr gave Pshy ur BIG MEATY DONG

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>>42150445
Nah, Spec is a sissy queer boy now.
Can't be him.

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>>42150445
I don't know anyone by that name.

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>>42150449

Doesn't seem like him. I miss that guy and his abomination Saiga.

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>>42150453
Well, that's just sad....

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Exploding Saiga ProMags

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>>42150456

Good dude, lots of good bros back in the day gone like that.

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>>42150463
Good thing, I know where he lives and all his secrets.
Wanna know them?

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>>42150464
It is required.

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tfw corrupting the youth with my .223 Wylde Stainless / or Nitrided propaganda, and GA is POWERLESS to stop me

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>>42150472

That would be rude wouldn't it?

>>42150481

>Stainless anything

>.223 Wylde
>Nitride instead of chrome

Sorry, old boy...

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>>42150705
Get with the times old man. Chrome isn't necessary for any amount or kind of shooting you, I, or this kid is gonna be doing.
Give him the tools he really needs for his first build.

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>>42150706

To be fair, I did say nitride would be acceptable as a last resort. But chrome is an investment in the future. Might as well spring for it if you can I figure.

FUCK stainless tho.

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>>42150707
Unless he's out to be building a machine gun anytime soon, a nitride barrel will get just as much longevity for him as a chrome lined.

>FUCK stainless

Alright- alright, I'll concede here. I still like what I got outa mine.

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>>42150708

A-Are you saying that...nitride is...

JUST AS GOOD?

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>>42150709
No, if anything I'm saying it's better for what he's trying to do, and there's no reason to jump for chrome. or say it's a must.

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>>42150710

It doesn't last as long though. Longevity is important in uncertain times and chrome lining will last longer. A quality nitride barrel isn't going to be significantly cheaper anyway in my experience.

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What's the deal with primers? I've heard that they're the limiting factor in ammo production right now.

>>42150310
Thanks for the links!

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>>42150716
>What's the deal with primers?
What do you mean? They have to make as many primers as cartridges, and its a completely different manufacturing process, so they can only make cartridges as fast as they can make primers.
Plus, there is a market for just primers that is also experiencing high demand, so the companies need to choose whether to make ammo with the primers, or make more money buy just selling the primers stand-alone.

I've been buying bird shot and emptying the shot and reforming it to put back in as slugs and buck, because i cant find 209 primers atm and i dont have any that i want to use for shotgun shells this close to deer season so ill have plenty for my muzzle loader.

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Shotguns are objectively the best type of gun.

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>>42150759
>What do you mean?
I guess I mean something like "Why is primer in shorter supply than propellant?".

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>>42150788
Ah, then the reasons i explained.
Reloaders are buying up primers faster than they can be made, and plebs are buying cartridges (that include primers) faster than they can be made. With these forces combined, demand is far surpassing supply.

On top of that, there are a lot more gun owners than there were 6 months ago, and they all want ammo too. On top of that a lot of these manufacturing facilities may be subject to corona distancing and staff limit rules.

Propellant dosnt need to be manufactured, i mean, it does, but it can be made in bigger quantities, faster. Its hard to come by powder atm too though.
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>>42150786

Indeed. Have some smol shotties:
From the top is a Geko 26.5mm flare gun with a 410/.45colt barrel insert. Some 26.5mm's can fire take 12 gauge inserts without difficulty. Hell the WW2 Walther's could fire shaped charge AT grenades but newer sheet metal flare guns like the Geko are best loaded with something less potent.
Center is an H&R Model 1908 12 gauge "lupara." Lupara is Italian and means: "For the wolf" the implication being that you would carry the thing inna woods in case you were set upon by wolves. Though, "wolves" in common Italian parlance could mean actual wolves or it could mean thieves or bandits. This goes back a very long way, You might have heard that Romulus and Remus the founders of Rome were abandoned in the wilderness and raised by a she-wolf. They would have you believe they suckled from the hairy dugs of a literal female wolf because that's just more amazing but "she-wolf" more likely refers to a female bandit or prostitute AKA "a bitch."
Luparas were also quite popular with old-school mafiosos like La Cosa Nostra.
This one had already been cut-down when I got hold of it, I just SBS'd it. It's neat to look at but it's rather a hazard to shoot as the break lever will quite happily split the web of your thumb under recoil if you're not careful. I've been planning to make a more effective pistol grip for it for years now but haven't yet found the motivation.
Finally is my baby, ye olde Ithaca Stakeout. For close encounters, accept no substitute.

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>>42150796
I like the eye-thacka.
I've passed on so many of them, because im a dumb.
There is a clone of a Remington riot at the LGS that im like ... i kinda need that ... about. A5 based situations kick like fucking mules though.

>>42150800
Pretty sweet "firearm" you got there.
I wish i had grabbed one before this whole shabang.

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>>42150801

Is capable of slam-fire too. Though the action is relatively stiff compared to say, a Mossberg and that, plus the pistol grip and the lack of sights limits the practical ROF a fair degree.

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>>42150804
I have a pile of 870s that fill all my needs.
I would like the ithica just to have though.

a win 1300 is on the list too.

What you have there is a speedy lock pick.

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>>42150805

I used to have an 870 with a 20" ventilated rib bbl and a 8 round mag tube, it was nice and heavy which ate-up recoil quite nicely but it would also rust if you looked at it sideways so I went to Mossberg instead. I also have a Winchester 1200 hunting model with a 26" bbl and a full choke. Many a squirrel and bird has fallen to it's wrath.

The Mossberg is my all-rounder. 18.5 cylinder bore bbl, 12" LOP Hogue stock, Meprolight nightsite, Kydex heatshield, side saddle, Streamlight magtube flashlight mount and all in a reasonably compact, lightweight package.

I also have the Saiga-12 if I just want to rapidly hurl a shit-ton of lead at something.

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I got an email today notifying me that my Form-4 check was cashed.
Meanwhile, my Form 1 is still in "Pending Research". Apparently this phase is now taking 2--3 weeks.
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>>42150982
Yeah. If you applied to make an SBR I can confirm it took me 3 weeks.

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WOOD IS GOOD

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>>42151042
I was thinking of getting a Russian furniture set for my 107R but I'm on the fence about it.

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>>42151043

Do it fgt

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>>42151054
https://www.sovietstocks.com/folding-45mm-wood-stock-set.html


And then I found this, but I'm not going to spend 500 bucks on that shit.

That would make the FR look really nice, though.

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>>42151055

Yeahhhh not worth 500. I got a type 3 set for under $200.

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So yesterday when I went to camp to tear down the back porch I took the Geco and my Dad and I put a few rounds into the rubbish heap with it. Here's one of the results:

We were shooting Federal 410 handgun 000 buckshot and here you can see a sheet of enameled steel overtop of a thin sheet of plywood. The shot was fired somewhere between 12 and 15 feet away which is about as far as you'd want to fire a single-shot shotgun-handgun with no sights. The sheetmetal is I think, 18 gauge steel off of an old gas stove. Quite robust and it was laying at about a 20 degree angle and that ate-up pretty much all of the four copper-plated buckshot's energy so that only one then penetrated the wood behind it and that's probably because it remained slightly more intact than the others. You can see on the metal how the pellets struck the steel and rode up it for a couple millimeters before actually penetrating it and then you can see powdered lead spalling on the wood. That's pretty much all down to the metal being angled thus increasing it's apparent thickness.

410 is not exactly a top-class manstopper even when loaded specifically for a handgun but it patterned quite nicely and is nearly on-par with four rounds of 158gr .38 Special LRN.

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>How it FEELS to spend 100 bucks on 350 rounds of .22lr and 10 rounds of 00 buck.

Also, was thinking, if i sell all my AR platform firearms atm, and trump wins, and gets his nominee, ill be able to buy them all back for pennies on the dollar in a few months.
Might be lucrative.

>>42151079
A semi auto .410 with 000 is the closest thing to a subgun with burst you can get OTC.
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>>42151157
>Also, was thinking, if i sell all my AR platform firearms atm, and trump wins, and gets his nominee, ill be able to buy them all back for pennies on the dollar in a few months.
I'm not sure if it's legal to sell/ship a firearm across state lines, but if it is, depending on the price, I'll buy one of them from you.
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>>42151180

>I'm not sure if it's legal to sell/ship a firearm across state lines, but if it is, depending on the price, I'll buy one of them from you.


It is, just has to go through an FFL.

I've sold guns to friends in other states a couple of times.

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>>42151180
yeah can

like rev said, its gotta go through an FFL

which you should already know i think thats bullshit because fuck the ATF

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>>42151182

Total bullshit.

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>>42151183
i know this is an old lolbertarian quote

but the ATF should be a convenient store

and its true
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>>42151180
I wouldn't feel comfortable charging you 1400 bucks for what in 5 weeks will be a 350 dollar rifle.

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>>42151185

>Tfw can't just flip AKs because the market is fucked

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though there is something that i always wondered

what happens if a seller sells their firearm to someone who didnt pass the federal background check?

does the money return to the buyer and the firearm return to the seller?

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>>42151187

During a transfer the FFL actually takes ownership of the firearm themselves, and so if the buyer fails the check, the FFL is still the current owner of the firearm.

How the buyer/seller want to handle that is up to them. Sometimes there is a clause in which the seller will not refund the money of the buyer fails the check.
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>>42151188
huh, that seems kinda wrong to me

but eh, fair enough

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>>42151191

Basically don't try to buy if you can't pass the background check.

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>>42151181
>>42151182
Well that kinda blows.

>>42151185
Wait, so I'll be able to buy them (relatively) cheaply at a firearms store as well?

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>>42151198

If Trump wins, yes.

That shuts down any possibility of bans that people are afraid Biden will try to force, so the demand will plummet, driving prices down.

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>>42151199
Huh. I strongly dislike Trump, but I guess that's one upside to him being reelected.
Granted, Biden is hardly any better.

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>>42151193
makes sense

>>42151198
the process is stupid

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>>42151200

It's one of the only good things about a Republican in office, gun stuff flows freely and relatively cheaply because there is no panic driving up demand. In election years, this usually means a gigantic unloading of all the panic bought weapons back onto the second hand market which people can scoop up cheap as the panic buyers liquidate at a massive loss.

Best time to buy is in the months/year or two following a Republican victory.
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>>42151201
Yeah, no kidding. And it's not like it does anyone any good.

>>42151202
wtf I love Trump now, MAGA Trump 2020 etc.

Really though, I'll definitely keep that in mind and keep a close eye on the market

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>>42151203

If you don't get a stupid good deal prior to the election, check your local Armslist or shops around December/January. Guarantee there will be panic buyers unloading the stuff they bought for a fraction of the cost.

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>>42151203
im a gun anarchist

so you likely shouldnt be listening to me anyway lol
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>>42151204
Yeah, I just checked Armslist in my area, and most of them seem to be 700+, so I'll just wait. Even a lot of the handguns are pretty damn expensive now.

>>42151205
I wouldn't go so far as to call myself an anarchist. I'm more of a libertarian socialist.

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>>42151208
no, im only anarchist in a sense that i think the 2nd amendment literally means what it says

"shall not be infringed"

im one of those "the 2nd amendment protects gun rights, but..." types
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>>42151208

Everything is, and nothing will get better until after the election assuming Trump wins. If Biden wins, prices will be fucked hard for potentially years.

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>>42151209
but?

>>42151210
It really feels like this election will go badly either way. Honestly, the only candidate I like is Vermin Supreme, and he doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell.

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>>42151211

The good ones never do.

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>>42151211
no buts!

i stand next to the notion that literally anyone can buy a fire like you could buy a hersheys chocolate bar at the gas station

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>>42151211

Vote for me in 2024 and I will dissolve the federal government and take personal ownership of the country's nuclear arsenal.
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>>42151212
But what can we do?

>>42151213
I was asking about what you said
>im one of those "the 2nd amendment protects gun rights, but..." types

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>>42151215

About politics? Focus on local elections mostly. Just try to prevent your own home from becoming overwhelmed by shitters from either side.

The president matters a lot less than your congressmen.

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>>42151216
Good point. Unfortunately our congressmen are shitters in Washington state. Though at least we don't have a complete psycho/borderline white nationalist as a representative anymore.

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>>42151220

>Protestant

>Using Latin alias

What a fuck

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>>42151222
That's hardly the worst thing about him.

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>>42151223

I know I'm just taking the piss out of it.

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>>42151187
Its complicated.
For me, if the person on the other end of the deal wasnt a total douche, i would take the product back, and just keep the shipping costs both ways, but if they acted like a jerk and gave me a bunch of shit about how its somehow my fault they are a domestic abuser or a felon, well, tough break.

The funny thing about the situation is, failing a background check is technically a felony, because it means they lied on it somewhere, and providing false info on the document is a felony... soo, its like "well man, you can take me to court over your $175 hipoint or whatever, but you have to stand before the judge and admit you committed a felony while illegally trying to obtain a firearm" and that normally just settles the issue.

But like i said, you would have to be an absolute scum bag for that to happen.

The other thing is, like slav said, technically the receiving FFL owns the firearm, so if they dont want to give it back, well, im not going to take the financial hit just because you did business with a dick FFL dealer.

Moral of the story is dont be a prick.

>>42151198
Pretty much, this shit happens every 4 years. People panic and drive prices up because demand cant meet supply, then, when nothing happens, everyone forgets guns exist/they want a new car or whatever and stops buying and start selling and it becomes a buyers market again.
If Trump wins/appoints a 2a friendly judge, prices will plummet, if Trump appoints but is voted out, things will prob stay about the same, if biden gets in and somehow gets a court pick, .22lr will be $4 a round haha.
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>>42151224
What's the significance of the blue wizards? I don't remember them being mentioned much, except in passing. Even Radagast was more significant.

>>42151225
I guess I'll just have to make the best of it either way. Also at the risk of sounding like a dumbass, I thought long rifles and handguns of the same caliber (for example, .22) had the same bullets. Is that not the case?

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>>42151226
>I thought long rifles and handguns of the same caliber (for example, .22) had the same bullets. Is that not the case?
What do you mean?

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>>42151227
Well for example, what's the difference between a .22 handgun bullet and a .22 longrifle bullet?

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>>42151226

They fucked off to the East and the other three sort of lost contact with them.

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>>42151228

Nothing, there are handguns and rifles that both shoot .22lr

.22lr is what most people mean when they say ".22", but there are different .22s like .22 Magnum, .22 Short, .22 Long, etc.

Caliber really refers to the diameter of the bullet. For example, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, 7.62x51, and 7.62x25 are all .30 caliber, but they are nowhere near interchangeable.
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>>42151228
Well, there are 3 types of .22 rimfire ammo (commonly) .22long .22short and .22Long Rifle.

.22long and .22short are for all intents dead rounds, and .22LR is what people mostly are referring to when they say .22

Yes, both rifles and handguns pretty much standardized on .22LR, esp semi automatics.

These names were thought up in the late 1800s / early 1900s and were there to differentiate between different chamberings before LR because the defacto standard.

So, dont let the "rifle" in "long rifle" confuse you.

Next ill tell you about how .38spl is actually .357 they just called it .38 to make it sound bigger.

And the "magnum" in .357 magnum, is named after a french wine that came in a big bottle.

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>>42151231

I have some .22 short and my Savage 6A is actually chambered for all three .22s.

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>>42151232
Ye, me too.

What i mean by dead rounds, is you wont find a gun chambered in a .22 rim cart that is just for short or long.
Its ether all 3 or its just LR.

Also, shorts fit in any LR or L chamber, so they are ubiquitous, but afaik only 1 Remington semi auto will actually cycle them without you running the bolt by hand.

I run shorts through my 1022 when i cant find calibres, but i have to cycle it manually, and sometimes they dont play nice with the rotary mag.
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So I guess Alyssa MiLano called the cops because she thought she heard gunfire somewhere in the vicinity of her home and since she is a rich celebrity they immediately came swarming-in to save her. But it turned out to be some kid shooting squirrels with an airgun. But then the plot thins because she was apparently one of the "defund the police" types.

I could imagine what would happen if I called the police anytime I heard random gunfire. The first time they'd be like "OK, is it directed at you?" and I'd have to bullshit like I couldn't tell it wasn't. Then they'd be: "Well it's hunting season, you're going to hear gunfire, you'll survive." After the third or fourth time that afternoon they'd be like: "This is abuse and if you do it again we'll arrest you."

Or that's how it would go if I hadn't already deafened myself to the point that I can't hear the ambient gunfire...

But really, how focking privileged and affluent a sack of shit do you have to be to oppose the police and still expect them to come running because you were startled by a loud noise which was clearly directed specifically at you cuz you're clearly just that awesome?
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>>42151229
Huh. I've been listening to an audiobook of Fellowship of the Ring (I also have Two Towers and RotK), and I noticed that the eastern lands (at least those east of Mordor) are almost never mentioned.

>>42151230
>Nothing, there are handguns and rifles that both shoot .22lr
>.22lr is what most people mean when they say ".22", but there are different .22s like .22 Magnum, .22 Short, .22 Long, etc.
So .22lr just effectly refers to a "standard" size? That seems like a bit of a misnomer.
>Caliber really refers to the diameter of the bullet. For example, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, 7.62x51, and 7.62x25 are all .30 caliber, but they are nowhere near interchangeable.
Well yeah, I know that, both the definition and that ammunition with different calibers aren't interchangeable.


>>42151231
>.22long and .22short are for all intents dead rounds, and .22LR is what people mostly are referring to when they say .22
What is a dead round?
>Next ill tell you about how .38spl is actually .357 they just called it .38 to make it sound bigger.
That seems kinda bizarre.
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>>42151236
>What is a dead round?
They are firewire and .22lr is USB

>That seems kinda bizarre.

Advertising. Even at the turn of the century, bigger was better.

>>42151235
What a cunt.
Importaint question though, did the kid get the squirrel?

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>>42151237
>They are firewire and .22lr is USB
I see. Don't Macs still have Firewire though? It's been a while.
>Advertising. Even at the turn of the century, bigger was better.
Ah, figures.

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>>42151236

Yeah, nobody in the story seems to know anything other than that the Blue Wizards exist.

>So .22lr just effectly refers to a "standard" size? That seems like a bit of a misnomer.


No, .22lr is a specific .22 caliber cartridge, it only happens to be the "standard" because it is the most commonly used.

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>>42151237

It wasn't specified but it sounds to me like he didn't.

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>>42151238
>Don't Macs still have Firewire though? It's been a while.
idk man, i was just making an analogy, i didnt do a lot of research into it.

>>42151240
This is a travesty!

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>>42151239
>Yeah, nobody in the story seems to know anything other than that the Blue Wizards exist.
It seems kind of bizarre that Gandalf and Sauruman don't take them into consideration at all in the war of the ring, considering they're both Istari. Unless they just didn't care enough to bother.
>No, .22lr is a specific .22 caliber cartridge, it only happens to be the "standard" because it is the most commonly used.
Oh, ok.

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>>42151245

Gandalf was overcoming his own self-doubt and Saruman knew the Blue Wizards and Radagast were not coming to help against Sauron.

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Speaking of killing cute fuzzy little animals, season starts in 15 days yo!

I got my eye on some rabbits at work.

Doggo is getting anxious too, she knows what the cold weather means.

But to shotgun or to rifle? These are the pressing questions of our time.
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>>42151157
I'm worried that Biden will win. I'm still planning to buy an AR-15 in October, before the election. Probably a lower + parts if I have time, otherwise whatever I can find in stock (Ruger 556s are still available locally near me).

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>>42151250
You're rolling dice.

You might be able to wait and get it 75% off.

You already have a .223 rifle dont you? Didnt you buy that keltec abomination?

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>>42151247

I've always preferred my Winchester 94/22 for most small game. Short CB caps are great for popping buns without annoying the neighbors. Though the Winchester 1200 and No. 7 shot is better for getting squirrels out of trees.
Though the buns in my yard are so careless I could about walk-up and club them.

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>>42151252
I use CBs unless im at the beach, because then you get triple digit yardage shots.

A flushed rabbit is hard to hit with a rifle though, and im not out to impress my dog, im out to fill my freezer.
So, might do shotgun inna field/where there are a lot of mtn bikers and the rifle at the beach/when i dont feel like walking haha.

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>>42151251
The thing I regret the most is when people cry and complain about how they could have gotten the gun they wanted, speculated and waited, and lost out.

I'm not justifying buying from scalpers. If the price isn't steep, buy the shit now.

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>>42151254

Yeah, I don't really need to flush buns here, they're pretty much always just laying out under my apple trees. Is probably my fault, I don't persecute them as much as I could so They've gotten complacent.

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>>42151256
Jus sayin

>>42151257
Sounds heavenly. We had a few seasons of no rabbit hunting because there is an indistinguishable cotton tail, the new england cotton tail, that was endangered. Since you cant tell them apart from a distance, they just said lay off on all of them.
Now though, they are fuxking everywhere.

I use to be able to send my dog after squirrels and she would just catch them, shake them, and bring em back with no shots fired, but she has slowed down in her middle age. Fucking women, amirite boys?

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>>42151251
>You're rolling dice.
>You might be able to wait and get it 75% off.
True. But another possibility is that the price might double if Biden wins. So in a sense, I'm rolling dice either way. Prediction markets are currently slightly favoring Biden.
https://www.ElectionBettingOdds.com/
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3698/

There are still some reasonably-priced basic AR-15s available near me, e.g.:
$699 Ruger: https://www.dunhamssports.com/product/ar-556_semi-auto_rifle/W0000074645.html?cgid=00399
$649 S&W: https://www.dunhamssports.com/product/m-p_15_sport_ii_semi-auto_rifle/W0000074652.html?cgid=00399

>You already have a .223 rifle dont you? Didnt you buy that keltec abomination?

Indeed I did! So I don't really need the AR-15 for home-defense. (The Kel-Tec RDB, being a bullpup, will probably be better for me anyway with the 10-inch suppressor that I'm planning to build as soon as I get my stamp.) But I'm worried that AR-15s might get super-expensive if Biden wins. I guess mainly fear of missing out.

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>>42151259

Years back deer had been about hunted-out. PA Game Commission is second only to Penndot in corruption and incompetence but then they made some reforms and now we're rotten with deer again. Bear and elk are getting pretty numerous too. Haven't seen a flying squirrel, a red squirrel or any form of wiesel in quite a while though.
Here's a couple of red squirrels I caught in a box trap about 10 years ago though. I was trying to catch a feral cat but got them instead. I set them loose in the state park up the road afterward.

Also there was a groundhog living in the crawlspace under my house but I'm pretty sure it got hit by a car or something, crawled under there and died because my back porch stunk like death for a couple days a week or so ago. I wasn't about to crawl under there and see though.

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Sorry, did a sleep
>>42151262
Yeah, thats what i meant by rolling the dice.
What are these prediction markets you keep posting, and why do you put so much faith in them?

649 for an SW sport isnt bad, personally, i would go with the smith over the ruger, its less proprietary.

The only thing that makes the AR worth having over any other .223 rifle is its ubiquitous-ness.

>>42151263
How are you with hogs and coyotes? Might explain the lack of smol game if they are getting high in population. I keep a few stingers with me incase i see a yote, because they are getting pretty bad here.

I think my dog ate my groundhog. Lysol that shit.

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>>42151277
>What are these prediction markets you keep posting
It's like a stock market, except instead of stocks, people are buying and selling contracts that pay either $1 or $0, depending on whether a prediction comes true. There's an exchange, and you can place an open order like "Buy 50 shares of 'Trump wins' for $0.45 each". When someone else is willing to take the other side ("Buy shares of 'Trump loses' for $0.55 each"), a match happens.

It's kinda like crowd-sourcing to estimate the probability of an event occurring. By having people "put their money where their mouth is", it is thought that people will be more honest (instead of just rooting for their favored outcome) and also that people who are more knowledgeable will wager more than the ignorant.

>why do you put so much faith in them?

They have a pretty good track record. Certainly better than polling was for the 2016 presidential election.

Nate Silver gives Biden even more of a lead in winning the electoral college, 77% for Biden vs 22% for Trump. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

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>>42151299
My name fell off.

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>>42151299
Who is nate silver, and why should i give a shit what they think?

>>42151300
Happens to the best of us.

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>>42151302
>Who is nate silver
Nate Silver is a statistician who analyzes baseball and elections. He was named one of The World's 100 Most Influential People by Time in 2009 after an election forecasting system he developed successfully predicted the outcomes in 49 of the 50 states in the 2008 presidential election. In the 2012 presidential election, the forecasting system correctly predicted the winner of all 50 states and the District of Columbia. FiveThirtyEight, like many outlets, failed to anticipate the rise of Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential primaries. However, the 30% chance of victory they gave Trump going into election day was significantly higher than that of most other analysts.
Source: Wikipedia

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>>42151277

No hogs, coyotes are varmints and get the shit hunted out of them so there's not that many, but occasionally someone will bag one which is nearly the size of a german shepard and people will get all uppity for fear they babbies gonna get eaten.

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Once PSA releases their side folding 74's, I'll have to get one.

The 74 market is bullshit, man. I regret ever selling the one I had.

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>>42151369

Remember when AK's were cheap and common and AR's were rare and expensive?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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>>42151398
What's the rifle in that image?

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>>42151411
>>42151398
Won't let me edit >.<

That's a Mosin, though, figured it out!

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So by now you've probably all heard about the Breonna Taylor case blowing-up yesterday. It sounds like all the cities are on fire again as a result. Well I've been contemplating the facts of the case last night and at work today and now I'm gonna put on Armchair General's hat and judge the shit out of it.

So, full disclosure, my first reflexive instinct on hearing about the Breonna Taylor case was that it was fucking bullshit. I see no reason why, in a supposedly free country anybody should be forced to wonder if the armed men breaking into their home in the middle of the night yelling: "Police! Police We're the police!" are 1) Actually police and not just criminals impersonating them to better effect a home invasion and: 2) Even if they are Police that they aren't still just acting criminally. Then also, citizens of a free country should have every right to defend themselves against anyone breaking into the their homes in the middle of the night, be they agents of the state or otherwise. We are after all innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and it is wholly unreasonable to expect an innocent person to assume that a sudden, violent assault on their home, family and person is being perpetrated in good faith by righteous authorities.
The prevailing narrative on the Taylor case was that it was a "no-knock" raid. Those already having suspect legal and moral justification in the public eye already. Well with the recent rulings the media has been quick to point-out that it was not in fact, a no-knock raid. The police did in fact knock and announce themselves but when nobody came to the door in a timely manner they then chose to breach the door. Well some would have you believe that because they knocked and announced themselves they were then justified in breaking down the door and then when Taylor's boyfriend quite reasonably shot one of them they were then also justified in mag-dumping into the room and in doing so, killing Taylor.
Except that there was no tactical justification for breaching the door in the first place. Such an action would be justified if they had reasonable suspicion that there was a violent crime in progress but there was no such suspicion, they were there to pick up a guy on a drug charge. Furthermore, a breaching action works best when you have the element of surprise, ideally the guys you are there to nab won't you're even there until you're already through the door and jamming your gun in their face. But when you knock and announce yourself first you not only throw surprise right out the window you also surrender the initiative to whoever is inside, giving them plenty of opportunity to arm themselves and get ready for fire upon you when you come through the door and surprise! surprise! that is precisely what happened! Whodathunkit?
So what are they supposed to do then? Just give up and go home? That'd be anarchy! and besides that, their superiors expect results yeah? Gotta catch them nasty criminals.
Sure, they gotta do their jobs but if they had the tactical acumen or the sense of self-preservation that God gave a pissant they'd have realized that charging face-first into a fatal funnel is how one engineers either a tragedy or a comedy. Instead of getting shot-at what would it have looked like if nobody was home? Now you've blown your load early and there's a fair chance the guy you're after is going to hear about it and be all the more difficult to nab. The smart move would have been to fall-back and set-up a stakeout. If there's somebody in there they'll have come out eventually and if they're not there you can scoop them up when they do drop-by. A stakeout might be boring as fuck but, it puts the initiative back in your court and more importantly, boring is good. Tactical! Dynamic! Breaching! Operations! and running gunfights might be glorious and all but well, glory is for martyrs and martyrs only get their crowns in heaven. If you want to be in this game for the long-haul you're going suffer the boring and the tedious and do your best to avoid running-around with your dick swinging in the wind.
The fact is Breonna Taylor is dead solely because the police chose to assault her apartment unprovoked, and no, a warrant does not qualify as provocation. Just because a court said they were allowed to break down the door doesn't mean they needed to go about it the way they did. That is almost certainly due to incompetence rather than malice, I do not believe they were just out looking to execute a brown person because systemic racism or whatever. But incompetence is often just as, if not more lethal than malice. Accidents and tragedies can and will happen, it is part and parcel of life and the human condition. But a lot of horrible things can be avoided by not being a mouth-breathing, window-licking retard and personally I am of the opinion that if we wish to continue employing police and granting them privileges and authority beyond that of we mere "civilians" then we need to ensure that they are held to a standard of training and personal initiative at least slightly above that of a common fast-food burger flipper and, despite very loud claims to the contrary I think the vast majority of people do want to keep the police around.

>>42151411
>>42151412


A Finnish Mosin-Nagant specifically. Note the shape of the front sight.

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>>42151413
I did notice what appears to be a cleaning rod (?) which isn't visible on the pictures of the M-N I've found. Is that what you're referring to?

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>>42151414

Russian and most other M-N's have round,fully shrouded front sights. Finnish Nagants have U-shaped, open-topped front sights. The cleaning rods and some of the other bits of furniture also vary but that's one of the more obvious indicators.

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>>42151422
Oh okay. That's neat. Thanks.

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>>42151413
No one cares about facts anymore.

There is a loud minority that is using every excuse to undermine the institutions of our country and launch a communist revolution. We are watching it happen right now.

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>>42151413
Agreed.

Though, the only evidence that ive seen that says they knocked and announced is their own word, and the word of one neighbor, which still differs from the police account. I've also seen that the "no knock" was recalled before the raid, but, who can trust any evidence of anything atm?

Regardless, even if it was all done by the book, imo, this is actually a situation worth being royally pissed off about, because it sets the precedent that if someone busts down your door in the middle of the night that
A)You need to ask if they are the police before defending yourself, and if they say "yes" or they say nothing at all, you are expected to lay down your arms and assume the fetal position and let them molest you in any way they want
and
B)If they truly are law enforcement, they have the right to indiscriminately kill everything in their way, innocent or guilty, without fear of consequences.

Both situations dont bide well for the citizen at large. The police need to be able to do their jobs, yes, but they shouldn't be allowed the leeway of running a tank through a neighbors house killing all within, to accomplish their goal of picking up a low level drug offender.

We should at least hold the police on our own soil to the same standards that we hold soldiers in a war zone.

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>>42151426

Indeed.

>>42151435
>We should at least hold the police on our own soil to the same standards that we hold soldiers in a war zone.

At the very least. A lot of them do try to play like they're an occupying military which is all fun and games until the locals start seeing them that way and they start suffering equivalent levels of attrition. Even disregarding that they don't have the stomach to suffer routine casualties, their organization also is designed to handle it. The short of it is that they have no reserves. There's no fresh companies in the rear that can be called-up to replace your losses. You can try to hire more, but in even good times the pay is shit and the hours are long and if your officers are getting capped in the back of the head while they're standing in line at the 7-11 or while they're parked behind a billboard along the highway ain't nobody gonna want in on that and if, everyone is that hostile to you they're probably not going to cut your husband, wife, kids, parents etc much slack either. That's the prime difference between a police force and an occupying military IMHO. The miltary may be in the shit but they go to sleep in dugouts or behind Hesco bastions and sandbags while their family is safe on the far side of the world. Police are an integral part of the community or they're supposed to be anyway. Invested in the community and invested into by the community. Once they cease to be a part of the community they're effectively a rat in a pit of vipers. Or a viper in a pit of mongooses... Or would that be mongeese?

Speaking of geese we need to install flak batteries along the Canadian border to keep those honking assholes from flying over our houses in 4am.

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>>42151426
I wouldn't call what's going on the start of a communist revolution, jussaiyan.

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>>42151436
Well, they have kind of built themselves up to be seen in that light, or at least, its been done on their behalf and they haven't tried to stop it. I take especial offense to being called a "civilian" in contrast to a police officer. We are both civilians.

Fact of the matter is, i wouldnt know where to begin to untangle this situation, as it seems to be snowballing. The more people protest, the more the police seem to distance themselves from the community at large, not to mention, if they are the occupying force, they are occupying on behalf of politicians, which, is a no win situation.
But you are right, their ranks wouldnt be readily reinforced, which in of itself is a problem, because without them, it becomes the preview of the various national guards'.

Idk man, too many sides to this, no good ending. If it did come down to civil war in this country it would be a clusterfuck the likes of which we've never seen, as no 2 people can seem to agree on anything and only live to purity test each other.

Also, a punt gun should do just fine, and look a lot cooler. Good question on the mongoose vocabulary, i dont have an answer, except to say i hope its mongeese.

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>>42151413
>>42151435
Aye, the cops really clearly fucked up in this incident. And not just the individual officers, but the whole system.

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>>42151441
>>42151413
>I am of the opinion that if we wish to continue employing police and granting them privileges and authority beyond that of we mere "civilians" then we need to ensure that they are held to a standard of training and personal initiative at least slightly above that of a common fast-food burger flipper

One thing this brings to mind, but is seldom talked about is this
https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

You are disqualified from being a police officer in many places if you score too high on an IQ test. The theory being, if you are too smart, you will get bored with your work, or worse, think about the orders you're given/your response to a situation, rather than just acting.

I've always found that to be an interesting notion.

The thing that, at least from my perspective, people dont seem to realize, is that all these people who are in positions of authority, police, doctors, politicians, ect... they are just normal shmucks like themselves, not deities. Yet, we tend to apply the expectation perfection to them, and get upset when it doesn't happen/deny it ever does happen. Whichever suites the situation best.

One thing that certainly isn't helping is the fact that living our lives continues to become more and more criminalized.
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>>42151442
>The thing that, at least from my perspective, people dont seem to realize, is that all these people who are in positions of authority, police, doctors, politicians, ect... they are just normal shmucks like themselves, not deities. Yet, we tend to apply the expectation perfection to them, and get upset when it doesn't happen/deny it ever does happen.

Ya, and that is something of an inversion of how it was in say, medieval times. Back when access to information was far more limited people tended to be far more specialized. If your father was a blacksmith there was a better than fair chance you would become a blacksmith too and likewise if your father was king there's a pretty good chance you'd be king after him because the only way to get a practical education in such things is by direct transmission. Of course that eventually lead to rulers who believed they ruled by divine mandate rather than simply because they'd been trained for it. But you know, whatever.
Today our pool of knowledge is far deeper than it was back then and our access to that knowledge so much greater that it is just downright obscene but despite, and as a consequence of that the vast, vast majority of that collective knowledge sets separate from "us." Most of what "we" "know" exists not in our heads but on the internet and in books. So long as we can maintain free access to that knowledge it's all well and good. But if we lose that access then we are very thoroughly fucked. Becuase our society has scaled not to us as people but to our knowledge and our industrial capacity which has also far-outstripped our physical capacity and much of which was built in a now bygone age using energy sources and materials which are much depleted or simply no longer exist.
Thus even though we "know" more than the people of the past we also need to know more just to keep things going and meanwhile we are just as silly and superstitious as we've always been. This leads to some truly amusing nonsense, like back in the day a natural disaster might be attributed to a wrathful god. Today, "God is dead." So instead it's a government conspiracy, it's climate change or HAARP, Trump, China, the 1% or the Illuminati causing it all.
Well at the very least it is more useful to blame governments for shit than it is to expect them to save you from it. Some Celtic tribes would elect a chief and, if he didn't materially improve his tribe's quality of life they would cave-in his skull and toss his corpse into the nearest peat bog. I think maybe we should bring that system back.

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>>42151446
>back in the day a natural disaster might be attributed to a wrathful god. Today, "God is dead." So instead it's a government conspiracy, it's climate change or HAARP, Trump, China, the 1% or the Illuminati causing it all.
Thats the truth. Killed our scapegoat, but still need one.
A quick and easy explanation for why life isn't perfect must be had, and all we have left is each other to blame.

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>>42151398

Better days, truly.

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>>42151413

You should be able to mag dump on anyone who breaks into your home regardless of the circumstances.

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>>42151582
I agree and would take it a step even further. You should be able to waste them even if they start to run away.

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>>42151583

Unless they're off your property they're still a threat. I wouldn't call it a moral decision to kill someone who is obviously fleeing, but it ought to be within the rights of the invaded to do so.

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An argument of lawyers discussing the Breonna Taylor case:
What MSM is NOT Telling you about Breonna Taylor - Viva Frei Stream HIGHLIGHT

Also, a group of lawyers is called an "argument."

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>>42151601
This was a pretty good breakdown.
Still supports the notion that this was a complete clusterfuck from the get-go though, and really shouldn't have been executed in the way it was, and the way it was executed lead to unnecessary death.
They do paint the picture that this was more of a systematic fuck up, than it was the individuals on the ground, but bald cigar layer makes a good point in saying that if everything you're being told to do seems like the wrong thing to do, maybe you should stop and ask questions.
But i guess that leads back to this >>42151442
>if you score too high on an IQ test. The theory being, if you are too smart, you will get bored with your work, or worse, think about the orders you're given/your response to a situation, rather than just acting.

The way they did it lead the people occupying the apartment to think they were being invaded, hence why they called the police. They probably wouldnt have called the police had they known it was the police they were calling the police on, because if your being invaded by the police the last thing you want is more police.
I think that 911 call has a lot to do with why the suspect isnt in jail on attempted murder charges atm, and just backs up what i already teach, always call the police before reacting, if you can.
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>>42151634

One of the things they touched on was that there had been several raids planned for that night. One of the things you have to look out for when you're getting a lot of sustained activity, going "door to door" as it were, is that you don't fall into a state of rote repetition where you're going through the motions without putting any critical thought into the situation. Kinda sounds to me like that is what was happening here. The guy who was charged sounds like he was all keyed-up and on edge and that is also a symptom of that sort of thing but I think as a team and at the institutional level they had gotten complacent and were just puttering-along at half steam. Certainly just having the three of them, knocking and then breaching at night and all that would point to that being the case and that is of course when fuck-ups happen. You start neglecting proper procedures, become impatient and incautious and then everything goes to hell. The path of least resistance is a minefield.
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Also on the subject of breaching I just found a Blackhawk! Dynamic Entry 31" stainless steel/fiberglass Halligan tool. Is a discontinued model and I got it for about half the original price. Will make a fine addition to my collection of burglary tools. Should be here next week.

Firefighter Forcible Entry Training with Mike Perrone

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Seems vista outoors and ruger are bidding to buy Remington and marlin firearms, respectively.

Maybe this means we will see quality in my beloved rem designs again.

Esp excited to see ruger x marlin, always wanted a guide gun but could only get guide grenades.

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It's Monday and we have another Gun Jesus video. He live fire tests a fresh out of the box Taurus Curve pistol.

Taurus quality! Hilarity ensues.
Taurus Curve: My Worst Backup Gun Match Yet!

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>>42151989

I had a first-gen Taurus PT-111. It worked fine for the first 300-400 rounds, but then it started jamming and coming apart. I sent it off to Taurus for fixing and after it came back it consistently shot low, like really really low. As in, take aim at the center of a 25 yard target and it hits the dirt about three-quarters of the way to the target. I traded it for car parts.

I had a CZ-100 at about the same time. That was a nice little pistol except I really disliked the plastic DOA trigger and mags were rare and expensive. Mind you this was shortly after the AWB had sunset and the gun market hadn't yet fully recovered and especially in terms of imported mags.
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>>42152017
At least Ian could have thrown his Curve at an attacker instead of waiting for that patented Taurus Quality Jam-O-Matic action to kick in. You know it's bad when a Hi-Point Yeet Cannon outperforms a Curve on the range.

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>>42152058

Hi-point does one thing and does it well and that's make the most basic boat anchor/handguns in the universe.

Taurus tries to make guns to compete with the major manufacturers but their material quality and manufacturing tolerances just aren't up to snuff.

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The M16A1 is the best variation of the M16/M4 rifle platform

*dabs*

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>>42152058
>>42152062
Listen I don't care who you are Yeet Cannon is straight up still the best name for a handgun ever

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>>42152299
I recently saw a .243 AR-10 rifle for sale on GunBroker. I seriously considered buying it, but decided against it, for various reasons, including (1) at 9 lbs, it was heavier than most AR-15s, and (2) it had a long 20-inch barrel and would need a decent sound suppressor to use as a home-defense gun, so maneuverability would kinda suck, and (3) it had a plain stainless steel barrel, no chrome lining or nitriding, so probably wouldn't last particularly long under the heat of .243 if I use it for target practice. I suppose it might be a good gun for hunting small-to-medium game or varmints.

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>>42152300
>.243
>HD
20" barrel because 243 is solidly in the not quite fudd but getting there hunting caliber. And I always see the strangest rifles in that cal. Like, legit weird things that would feel awkward to show up to your average hunting circle with. Like that Vepr there.
Also-
STOP BEING FIXATED ON HOME DEF. AND BUILDING AN AR MID INTERNATIONAL CRISIS, or I'll come up there to PA and spit in your muffins!

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>>42152301
>STOP BEING FIXATED
Once my autism locks on to something, it is hard to shake it loose. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>MID INTERNATIONAL CRISIS

I've heard that vaccines are expected by the middle of next year. Hopefully things will return to normal relatively soon after that.

>spit in your muffins!

Not the muffins!
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>>42152299
*reads that page more closely*
>Magpul® Zhukov Polymer Handguard
>Magpul® AR-15 stock
Huh, is that thing a Frankenstein of AR and AK parts?

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>>42152301
I had a bolt action in .243 and sold it after five years. I thought it would be a good deer rifle but changed my mind after trying to eliminate a coyote for a friend. If you can't one shot a coyote, taking a deer with one would be plain inhumane.

tl:dr It's not a good hunting caliber. Stick to 6.5 or 7.62 NATO.

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eh nah, not doing that

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>>42152312

I have taken many durr, coyotes and groundhogs with my Remington 788 in .243. It is second only to my Winchester 94/22 in number of critters slain.

What cartridge were you using?

>>42152300

DSA is/was making a FAL in .243. I considered getting one but was turned off by the price of both the rifle and the ammo.

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>>42152647
>What cartridge were you using?
Mostly Federal and a box of Winchester soft points. The coyote ran off with a pronounced wound but kept running, indicating my one shot was most likely a graze.

Locals frowned on .243 as a hunting caliber and suggested .280 instead. Given the fact I couldn't find a deer over three seasons before I sold it for ammo, I never got the chance to see if a larger central body mass would have improved my chance to do a humane shot.

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>>42152672

.243 is no cannon shell by any stretch but I mean you gotta do your part too. .243 has better terminal ballistics at longer ranges than 30-30 and that is said to be the most common durr cartridge in North America since forever. Of course if doesn't inspire confidence then there is .22-250, .270, .25'06, .308, 30'06, .300 Win mag etc.
30'06 is probably the second most common durr cartridge, the most common load is a 180gr SP but it goes down to 150gr and up to a 220gr bullet which makes it very versatile though some don't care for the recoil. Remington used to make a .223 caliber sabot 30'06 load called the Xcellerator or some-such which was popular for a minute but I'm pretty sure they're out of production now.

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>>42152672
>>42152674
My understanding is that even a shot that obliterates an animal's heart might not instantly drop the animal -- it might continue to run for a few seconds?

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>>42152831
Seconds, yes, but not "off into the woods never to be seen again".
He's gonna sprint a few yards till blood pressure drops enough that other organs stop too.

Like the skate board kid in Kenosha.

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>>42152831

Yes! A buddy of mine got a nice buck once, burst it's heart like an over-ripe tomato. It jumped about 10 feet in the air and ran about 50 yards before it face-planted into the dirt.

Another thing, if you wound a critter and it runs off, if you intend on tracking it it's better to wait a minute before you go after it. See what happens is if it sees or hears you coming after it it will keep running just as long as it has the strength to do so. If on the other hand it doesn't think you're on it's trail it is more likely to lay down and lick it's wounds and if it's wounded severely enough it may die shortly after as the Adrenalin wears-off. If then you're on it's blood trail and it seems to terminate all of a sudden cast-out around that last point and look under pine trees, brush and in the lee of any fallen trees, large rocks or whatever and you may find it laying there. Note also that if it's still alive and especially if it's a buck and you come upon it all of a sudden it may try to kick the crap out of you and/or spear you it's antlers. Many a hunter has gone home without his prize because they failed to locate it after it's lain down.

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>>42152831
How you off a bear? Artillery? Grenades?

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Slavshit is best shit.

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The halligan tool arrived today. I think I like it, though I'll have to find some things to break with it to know for sure.

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>>42152905
>How you off a bear? Artillery? Grenades?
If you're lucky and have excellent shot placement, even a .22LR will suffice:
https://www.ammoland.com/2017/06/bella-twin-the-22-used-to-take-the-1953-world-record-grizzly-and-more/

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>>42153363
Mishaco doesn't know anything reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Ian finally had his French MAS 38 properly repaired and obtained enough ammo to do a video.

It runs.

MAS 38 at the Range - Finally!

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Another one followed me home today

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>>42153928
What are your thoughts on the Saiga 12?
SAIGA 12 - RUSSIAN AK SHOTGUN

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>>42153958

I have one! It makes a lots of dakka.
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>>42153984
So I've heard

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>>42153958

I've only had limited hands on experience with them so >>42153984 is probably the better person to ask. I've heard reports of feeding issues but nothing I can confirm personally.

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>>42154013
I've heard a few of them have issues with that, but not all of them. I could be wrong but I think it's mostly the older ones that have that issue though.

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>>42154031

You'll find that to be an issue with lots of guns, sometimes it takes a few years to work all the bugs out of something. The (in)famous WASR 10 is a good example of that where they went from being steaming piles of horse shit to perfectly decent quality AKs.

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>>42154031
I absolutely fucking hate mine because I think that shotguns with box mags R dumb.

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>>42154037
Why does that make you hate anime?

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>>42154013
>>42154031

Most of the feeding issues were caused by the shells being deformed by the mag lips under spring pressure and then failing to feed. The simplest solution is simply not to leave the mags fully-loaded for extended periods. Another option is to use a solid brass hulled shell on top.

Remington 870 Police Magnums used to have this problem too. Especially when they were left sitting in the gun rack of a police cruiser baking in the sun for extended periods. The heat and spring pressure deformed the shells and jammed them up good. That was remedied not only by changing ammo but also reducing spring pressure a bit which is a little easier to do with a pump but not wise with a semi-auto unless you're willing to spend time testing and evaluating.
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how much would you fuckers sell an AR15 for?

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>>42154329
Are you actually asking someone on Ponychan to sell you one, or are you asking out of curiosity?

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>>42154340
would it matter?

but yes i am asking ponychan
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>>42154329

I don't sell guns anymore, I always come to regret it. But surely it can't be that hard to find one even now.

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>>42154329

Depends if I'm selling to a friend or a stranger.

I cut my friend a hella deal on one for $500 the other day.

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At last!

Gun Jesus got his hands on a reproduction DeLisle Carbine complete with working suppressor.

The working of the action and the sound of the bullet hitting the steel target are louder than the report of the .45 ACP round.

Valkyrie Silenced DeLisle Carbine at the Range

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>>42154645
>The working of the action and the sound of the bullet hitting the steel target are louder than the report of the .45 ACP round.

Yep, also the earliest DeLisles used modified SMLE mags rather than 1911 mags. One part held and fed the cartridges and the rest was a felt-lined container to catch and hold the spent casings so they wouldn't make noise either. That was dropped though as it didn't add sufficiently to the sneaky-breekiness to justify the added complexity.

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You do practice proper shifter-discipline don't you? Cuz speed kills you know.

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Hmm...

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>>42155275
this can't be real

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>>42155276

Given what year it is I'm not sure I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.

Facebook was trying to get me to register to vote in Alabama the other day. Last I checked I don't live in 'Bama.
Also I got some more fencing equipment yesterday.

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>>42155277
i hope it's not real

the contradiction hurts

and nice!

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>>42155278

Is for the fudds who think the 2A is for duck hunting.

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>>42155279
im tired of people saying it should be watered down

like these people shouldnt say "im pro 2A, buuuuuuut"

anyone who does that isnt pro 2A

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The M16A1 is the worst variation of the M16/M4 rifle platform.

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>>42155304
You are a buster and a cock sucking communist.

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>>42155305
I don't know what a "buster" is but i'm not a commie.

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>>42155304
What don't you like about it?

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>>42155275

>This is FAIR. This will SAVE LIVES.


Delusion.

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>>42155304

That would be the A2

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>>42155304

Only the rear sight.

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>>42155375
>>42155275
Voluntary for how long?

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I got a delivery today!

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>>42155430

Not long if he has his way.

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>>42155430

"Voluntary" aka "Voluntold."

>>42155437

Something about that eggcrate foam makes my eyes hurt.
I just threw down $506 on yet more fencing kit. I need to find less expensive hobbies.

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So now that Armslist is dead, what do we use to buy/sell/trade on the second hand market?

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>>42155562
it works for me

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>>42155564

Try contacting anyone or listing anything, it's no longer free.
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>>42155566
oh wow, they charge people just to contact them?

that's insane

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>>42155569

Hence Armslist is dead. The second hand market just got a lot more difficult to navigate now.

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>>42155570
go figure, i guess

that's a shame

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>>42155574

An alternative will pop up no doubt, but as it stands there's no free method of doing what Armslist let you do without paying now. You either need to pay to use Gunbroker which is full of retards but at least has no scammers, or pay to use Armslist which is full of scammers and even bigger retards.

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>>42155576
seems like such a fucking mess

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>>42155577

Yeah, kind of is. I was putting off joining Gunbroker but I'd rather pay a dollar and deal with boomers rather than $7 a month to deal with retards.

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>>42155578
if gunbroker is full of boomers

i bet it's loaded with nothing but 1911's and shotguns lol

though the 1911 is a pleasure to shoot
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>>42155580

Oh no, it's got everything you could want. The problem is the site itself was designed so long ago and has never been updated so it's like web 1.0 shit that is absolutely atrocious to navigate. But, it's 100% legit and the sellers are very reputable so you have no risk of getting robbed or some shit.

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>>42155588
that sounds like a catch to me

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>>42155590

Not many other options at this point

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>>42155588
I bought my second 107FR through Gunbroker, sending a money order by mail, because that is what the seller required. It seemed sketchy but turned out all right in the end.

I also bought my SCAR on Gunbroker.

Gunbroker is fine, but admittedly the last place I'd ever want to go to buy a firearm online.
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So I'm watching this:
Military Stories Compilation 2

And I was reminded of the saying: "If it ain't rainin' you ain't training." And that reminded me of the time I was doing rifle quals in mid-december, it was 40 degrees outside, with a steady freezing rain and the RSO kept shutting-down the range for some fucking bullshit reasons so I'm just laying there chin-deep in a puddle of ice cold water for like two hours, my cotton field jacket providing no insulation whatsoever and when I do finally get to fire my M4 blasts a load of more ice-cold water into my face from out around the charging handle with sufficient force that it gets inbetween the outer lens of my Revision eyepro and the RX lens so I can't see a damn thing and then of course because it's the military we can't just fuck-off back to the barracks and dry-out like sane and rational people but have to spend the rest of the day being cold, wet and miserable outside. All for the purpose of "realistic training" TO FIGHT IN A MOTHERFUCKING DESERT!

Anyway long story short I caught pneumonia and almost died and I would very much like to find the sonofabitch who came-up with that fucking bullshit quote and sodomize him to death with red-hot irons.
Guns N' Roses - November Rain (Audio) HQ

>>42155710

Noice!

Also, this so goddamn relatable you don't even:
Campfire Stories - Anger Management
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Gentlemen! Submitted for your review:

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Browsing Reddit, I just realized I made a mistake on my eForm1 submission for a sound suppressor! I was supposed to select "N/A" from the Model drop-down list, and NOT check the box "My item description is not in the list, create new item". (The manufacturer code was "FMI" ("Form 1 Registration"), like before.) I just submitted another form (and paid another $200 of tax to the Treasury), and this time it went right through, without any "pending research" bullshit. I waited 6 weeks in Pending Research for nothing, argh!

>>42155760
>cotton jacket
>rain
>cold weather
Yikes! A Wooloo would keep you warm!

>>42156000
Is that... is that a non-bullpup version of Steyr Aug?
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>>42156069
Oops.

I'm still waiting on my suppressor.

If I have it my way, it'll be February, but I dream it would come sooner.

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>>42156069
>Is that... is that a non-bullpup version of Steyr Aug?

Yes!

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Picked up a ZPAP on my way home from work because who knows what the fuck is gonna happen tomorrow. Might have been my last chance to do so. It has that horrible polymer furniture on it though so I'm going to need some wood ASAP

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So with the upcoming riots regardless of who wins, do you think there will be discounts at the gun shops?

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>>42156314
nah, usually demand and price will rise if more people are buying firearms

honestly, you're better off buying one ASAP

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>>42156315
I was afraid that would be the case but I wanted to be optimistic.
I'm trying to remember, I can order one online and have it shipped to a local store, then just pick it up/buy the delivered gun at the store, right?

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>>42156291

"ZPAP" always sounded to me like some particularly unpleasant medical procedure.

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>>42156316
yeah, you can buy online and have it shipped to a local FFL dealer (licensed gun shop)

from there you can fill out your 4473 and do the background check when they get it

depending on the laws in your state you will either get it that day, or there is a waiting period

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>>42156318
Cool. On the other hand, it might not be a bad idea to buy one there after trying some out if I find one at a good price. I admit I don't remember the specific models you guys recommended, but I do remember that you guys recommended that I get a .22.

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>>42156319
if you really want to

you can rent out firearms at ranges and try them out

when Mk17 took me the range, i absolutely loved shooting the glock he had

maybe one of these days Mk17 can teach all of this stuff in person at a gun range

he's good at it

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>>42156319
ZPAP, O-PAP, N-PAP
WASR-10
PSA AK 103 (maybe).
Kalashnikon USA KR-103 (maybe).

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>>42156317
I was thinking the same thing.

>>42156322
I'll write those down, but honestly I'll probably start out with a handgun, especially given the prices in the current market and political situation. What are the maybes for?

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>>42156326
people always say the smith and wesson shield are perfect starter guns

i never shot one, so im going by what people say

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>>42156326
The "maybes" are new and made in the United States and there's not enough info out on them yet to tell whether they're good or not. It also depends on if you agree with paying over 1000 bucks on a rifle.

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>>42156314

If Biden wins, everything gun related will be unobtanium for a while.

>>42156317

Yeahhhh but feels like good rifle though.

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>>42156326

If you can only have one gun, a rifle is the best option.

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I've been kind of thinking about getting a BREN 2 but after getting a suppressor, I told myself I was done with getting gun stuff for awhile.

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>>42156345
>If Biden wins, everything gun related will be unobtanium for a while.
The prediction markets indicate that Biden is likely to win the presidency, but the Republicans will retain control of the Senate and thus be able to prevent any gun-control legislation.

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>>42156346
But isn't a handgun more portable?

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>>42156556

Somewhat if you intend to conceal it. If you don't intend to carry every day a rifle is a better choice for anything else.

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>>42156558
Why? Maintenance? Fire power? Less restrictions? ...

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>>42156565
Rifles are good for shooting communists at close range and far away, and are much more powerful than handguns.

In a pinch, you can maybe use intermediate rifle cartridges to take wild game.

While a good handgun should be a part of anyone's kit, rifles are the most essential part.

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Fixed it.

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>>42156765

Love me some Yugoslavshit

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>>42156642
>>42156661
>>42156558
Fair enough. Though I'd much rather shoot fascists.
But I was thinking from a purely self defense minded standpoint.
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>>42156771

Whoever it is who happens to be threatening you, in open conflict a rifle is the best option available. Unless you want something that is more easily concealable, it is the way to go.

The benefit of a handgun is that you can use it for both HD and CC, but it's going to be inferior for HD. Really comes down to what sort of scenario you think is most likely in your life.
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>>42156823
That's what I was thinking. I walk, take the bus, and get rides everywhere, so it's not like I can just put the rifle in my nonexistent vehicle.
Also what are HD and CC?

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>>42156824
The question is do you want to be a dude with a gun, or do you want to be a marksman?

If there is no daily direct threat to your life that you need to carry a pistol on you at all times, then i would suggest getting a rifle and learning how to shoot then getting the pistol.

If you just want to carry a gun, because you want to carry a gun, then yeah, jump into the pistol, put it on your belt, and hope if/when the time comes you know how to use it effectively.

You've been asking this question for months, and you keep getting the same answers, so if you want a pistol, just go get a pistol.
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>>42156824
>Also what are HD and CC?
Home Defense, Concealed Carry

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Zeke is going to be the token twink on /k/ that posts with a glock or sks in programmer socks.

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>>42156824
>>42156832

But like Mk said, if you are not in a particularly dangerous area where you need a gun concealed on you at all times, a rifle is a better investment.

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>>42156830
>>42156831
>>42156835
Alright, I'll keep that in mind. And for the record, I do know how to shoot and shoot reasonably accurately.

>>42156832
Sounds like a helluva time.

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>>42156837

Ideally, get both.

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>>42156838
Well yeah, but for the time being, I think I'll only be able to afford to get one.

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>>42156839

Shit's gonna be crazy for the next few months, but if you find something good for a decent price, snag it.

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>>42156840
I kinda figured after what you told me a few days ago.

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>>42156837
I'm not saying you're a bad shot, im just saying carrying a gun is a lot more than putting it on your belt.

Really what im saying is stop himming and hawing and trying to get us to tell you to get a pistol haha. If its what you want, get it.
For months, you've been coming itt and asking "should i get a rifle or a pistol" and we all say rifle (except me i say shotgun haha), and you argue, so you dont want a rifle, okay, get a pistol.

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>>42156864

Really a long gun of any sort is fine. I think a rifle is more useful overall but you can do a lot with a shotgun.

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>>42156871
>I think a rifle is more useful
It depends.
I think a shotgun is more useful because of its versatility in loads.
Can hunt a dove just as good as a moose and everything in between, including commies.

You can reload for it a lot simpler and easier, you can use virtually any powder you come across, you can make new hulls out of paper.

Its the only firearm i would say "yeah, one shot ought do it" in self defense. They are super easy to maintain/fix.

There are more sports for shotgun, you can convert a shotgun to just about any caliber via sleeves.

Its a jack of all trades, master of none, but the one i would have if i could only have one.

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>>42156872
>Its a jack of all trades, master of none, but the one i would have if i could only have one.

I didnt mean for that to happen, but im happy it did.

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>>42157062

>Spending $4000 on a single AR

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>>42157078
Im giving the benefit of the doubt and thinking that includes the optics.

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>>42157105

A new AN/PEQ-15 is like $1500. Though they can be found for a fair bit less if you happen to know a shady Warrant Officer.

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>>42157107
and a good rifle will set you back another k, so there is 2500, and a good optic set, another, so there is 3500.
Factor in todays market prices, and your at the 4k.
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Like my gun? I got it to match my uniform.

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>>42157116

Looks nice.

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Really really considering dropping my AR tomorrow, because i could turn it into a bolt gun i've had my eye on and still have a grand in my pocket.
I would still have my SCR, it would just be the 14" iron site one i would be dropping, so i wouldnt have a pistol grip/slidey stock no more is all, but i would have a really nice .308

Snowbell, i need your guidance in these trying times.
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>>42157197

As I've said before I am opposed to selling things. Better to just hoard everything. no regerts that way.

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>>42157197
Don't do it. You'll probably still be able to buy a bolt gun at any time.

People who flip guns for other guns are doing it wrong, anyway.
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Of course im going to argue, im asking you to argue with me haha.
>>42157198
This is true, but i only regret selling 1 gun, and that was my benelli m1.
If i can have a nice precision bolt gun all set up, and have a grand or so in my pocket, idk mang.

>>42157199
Might not be able to sell an AR ether, not just because of fed shit, but because of state.
I would still have an AR platform, it would just be a fixed stock.

Idk, ive made a pretty handsome living flipping guns haha.

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Also keep in mind, that in my position, i wouldnt be burying or "losing in a boating accident" anything, because if i do that, i jeopardize my ability to educate people about firearms so that they understand how stupid all these laws are.

Not to mention, i dont like shooting this one, i only drag it out once or twice a year.

So, the way i see it, is i can sell it now when some goofball is willing to give me 1600 bucks for it, or i can wait and possibly lose it for free, or, have to pay a tax to keep it.

If i wasnt in this position, i would probably just keep it, but i am, so i dont want to miss out on the buying frenzy and make a shit ton of profit, plus get into something i would actually shoot and enjoy regularly.

Sucks to have to consider this shit.

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>>42156864
>Really what im saying is stop himming and hawing and trying to get us to tell you to [sell your rifle] haha. If its what you want, [do] it.
>For months, you've been coming itt and asking "should I [sell my rifle]?" and we all say [dont], and you argue, so you want [to sell your rifle], okay, [sell your rifle].

Hmmm... good point, me.
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>>42157204
Thanks me.

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>>42157205
You're so fucking cute.

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>>42157207
Fuck me now, me!

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>>42157230
Ew, no.
Bitch, i know where you've been.

>>42157232
That last one wasnt me
Also, i have a handy little .308 now.

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>>42157236
Why you gotta do this to me, me?

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A little surgeon.

18" Ruger American .308 (which is the same action as the precision) Magpul hunter stock, aluminum bedded, AICS pattern, harris bipod, and vortex crossfire ii scope.

Nice little setup, walking away with this and 1600 in my pocket to play with.
In the background is the XM15 im giving up.

I feel good about this.
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>>42157262
Because its easy.

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>>42157266
Hate the game, not the playa.

>>42157263
I will probably swap out the glass for SWFA fixed power 30mm, and toss the crossfire on a .22.
Then ill get .308 dies and heads, maybe upgrade my range finder, and ill be ready for some winter fun.
I need to see if i can still get on Sigs range haha.
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I finally picked up my lower receiver that I ordered last month. Now I can combine it with >>42155437 when I get some time later this month.

>>42157263
>>42157265
Nice rifle!

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>>42157276
Thanks! I feel more complete with a good bolt gun. Nice "other"!

>>42157277
Legos, nice!
A good 16" upper is the next thing on my list. I have to order a charging handle too.

Did that upper come with a BCG?

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I didn't want to start a thread that would just slide, so I'm going to leave this video link here. It's pretty /k/.

If you ever wanted to see what a real late Soviet era underground bunker looks like in a nearly perfect preservation state, this is the video for you. Complete with a large garage with period cars and a couple of surprises.

Due to the state of the complete inventory inside including functioning electrical service, the guy isn't giving up the location of the place. Enjoy.

Found Working Nuclear Bunker with Vehicles & Gear

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>>42157278
>Did that upper come with a BCG?
Indeed, it did!

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Last night i checked my sources and there were 500+ boxes of PMC .308 available at the normal pre-covid price.
This morning i refreshed the site and there were only 100.
So i grabbed 100 rounds, just so ill have the brass. Ill probably end up with the ammo on my door step before i even have the gun in hand.

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>>42157468
You didn't already take possession of the .308 rifle?

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>>42157477
Waiting on consignment cheques.

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So I found an odd bird at Goodwill on Friday.

It appeared at first to be a plain old M65 Field Jacket in DCU pattern with the extreme cold weather hood and I almost passed it by. But then I looked closer and noticed the labels were blank, it had Woolrich buttons, the inner layer is green Nomex and it had a flight jacket style pocket on the left sleeve.
It seems what I had actually found was a pre-production prototype or test sample that is a blend of the M65 and the CWU-45P winter flight jacket.
My educated guess would be that it comes from round-about 2004 or 05. Both the Army and Marines had found that their basic nylon-cotton blend uniforms were not sufficiently flame-retardant given the prevalence of roadside bombs, diesel fuel and the other associated dangers of driving around Iraq at the time. This caused them to rush the issuance of nomex flight suits as a stopgap and put research into improved flame retardant treatments and two-piece flight suit designs like the A2CU uniform. Because there's nothing worse than needing to remove your body armor and load-bearing kit to strip-off one-piece coveralls so you can take a dump. All of this I know because I had it inflicted upon me.
Based on the camo pattern and the nomex this coat almost certainly comes from that period. Woolrich PA is just down the road from here so probably this was a sample for a government contract which then either sat in storage at Woolrich or was taken home by somebody involved in the project and then later donated to Goodwill during a house-cleaning.

And now it's mine! The DCU pattern works fairly well here in the fall and given my work I do appreciate flame-retardant winter clothing. I already had the quilted Nomex liner for it too as it has the same cut as the nylon M65 field jacket liner but is a bit heavier and has knit elastic cuffs which go a long way towards keeping the wind from blowing up your sleeves.

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>>42157535
Your goodwill finds never cease to amaze.

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>>42157536

Sometimes I lay awake at night wondering what good shit I've missed out on because I haven't lurked hard enough.

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>>42157537
The only place to get stuff like that around here is the army surplus places.
Which reminds me, i haven't been to one in a long time, should go.

I take it you disprove of my new rifle choice, your silence says it all haha.

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>>42157538

I disapprove of selling one gun to get another. I don't disapprove of the gun itself. My silence has more to do with having been busy all weekend. Only reason I'm online now is cuz it's cold and raining.
I don't have any strong opinion on the Ruger American. It looks good but I haven't gotten around to shooting one yet. Can't be worse than my 90's era Remington 700 and 710 though.

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>>42157542
>I disapprove of selling one gun to get another.
Actually, like ...6.
I got a little carried away maybe.

>My silence has more to do with having been busy all weekend.

Just giving you a hard time and trying to force convo about my new toy tbh.

The American has turned out to be a good rifle, with some modification. Even out of the box its pretty good, but the stock... stock is kinda junk, as to be expected. Like i said, its a down graded precision.

Shot a bunch of them over the summer, and they were pretty impressive. Its not the tikka i wanted, but for the price i would say it better than almost any other bolt out there atm.

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>>42157544
>I got a little carried away maybe.

Probably. Better to aim for net-gains I think.

>but the stock... stock is kinda junk, as to be expected. Like i said, its a down graded precision.

The quality of rifle stocks seems to declined significantly for many manufacturers in the last 20 or so years. Might have something to do with the rise of aftermarket stocks like Choate and Magpul but more likely is just plain old cost-cutting by penny-pinching execs.

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>>42157555
>Better to aim for net-gains I think.
Well, i am walking away with a better set up and like 2k in my pocket... so that can be considered a net gain i think.

You are right about stocks. For 1, there are too many opinions for any manufacturer to really settle on anything that deviates from "run of the mill" and actually sell anything. Its like Sig, Sig makes 30 versions of each of their pistol and no matter which one you have to sell, its never the one people want. So it is easier to give a "good enough" stock, and let people go out and get their own after market affair if they so desire. You're really just buying a barreled action in a fancy holder.
The other thing is, they do have to cut costs, but not for penny pinching, but to keep quality rifles actually someone affordable. Better they take advantage of check injection molding that gives a product that works "well" and saves 99% cost over an alternative, than to sacrifice action machining / metallurgy.
An injection molded stock with an aluminum bedding block is way more than enough for most shooters, so its a good solution to keep quality actions at a sub 1k price point.

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Disregard AR, acquire AKs.

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>>42157564
Whats the bottom one?

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>>42157564
AK's fucking suck, though.

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>>42157556
>but to keep quality rifles actually someone affordable. Better they take advantage of check injection molding that gives a product that works "well" and saves 99% cost over an alternative, than to sacrifice action machining / metallurgy.

True 'nuff, but given how Remington, Colt etc. are always on the verge of utter collapse they do still need to pinch a penny or two.
Even the fecking mag catch on my Remington 710 is plastic. Probably to pay for the Hillary Hole. The 90's were truly a dark age.

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>>42157595
>Remington, Colt etc.
I'm only considering reputable mfgs.

Colt and Remington are a meme at this point, their shit has been junk for like a decade.
The only thing that keeps Remington afloat is how standard their patterns have become, but even that couldnt save them.

Im talking like Savage and Ruger.

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>>42157572

Polytech AK47S (Legend)

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>>42157576

YOU suck

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>>42157605

A damn shame the R51 was a flop though. Was a very sleek little pistol.

Savages are nice, especially the accutrigger.

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>>42157606
Its eye catching.

>>42157608
Remington fucked up the 870 and the 700.. there was no way they were going to come out with a pistol that wasnt trash, no matter how good the design.

I do like savages, a mod 10 is what i wanted, ended up with the ruger, but i have a mkii and a 220 (though its one of the ones for sale).
The accu trigger is neat, but its kind of delicate.

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>>42157610

The milled guns are works of art in my eyes.

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>>42157610

The R51's problem was that the original design was old enough that it had effectively fallen out of living memory, then people who didn't understand it's foibles tried to "update" it and then it was rushed into full production before it could be thoroughly tested.

The worst thing about it is that, instead of jumping to full production they could have sent a few out to Guntubers to beta test them, get feedback and build hype for when it does go into full production instead of shipping out a faulty product that spoils people's perception of it.
But they weren't savvy enough to consider such a thing.

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>>42157614
What was the original design? I want to say it was like a Whitney design, but im not sure.

That happens a lot though, i can call up a lot of people who think the beretta px4 is "garbage" but will praise the cougar.

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>>42157615

The original Model 51 was John Pederson's design. Of Ithaca 37 fame. It was quite complex. I'm sure somebody thought that with improved tech we could just do it "better" as a matter of course. But in reality that just is not guaranteed. Especially in manufacturing "newer" isn't always "better" it's sometimes just "different."
If a company that makes radios suddenly decided to make a retro-style radio that uses actual transistor tubes that would prove to be a fair bit more difficult and expensive than one that uses modern circuitry and merely looks retro on the outside. Because the resources and know-how for a tube radio just simply don't exist anymore.

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>>42157619
The fuck, you're still around?

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>>42157721
What do you mean? He's been here for a while.

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>>42157721

Yeah, I never left.

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>>42157721
Perhaps the better question is: Who are you?

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>>42157831
Bear is the /rp/ mod and is usually only found in /rp/.

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look what my brother got me

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>>42157883

Did he get one for himself too? I bet he did, if he didn't mention or show it be prepared to be shot in the asscheek when you least expect it.

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>>42157883
Is that an airsoft gun?

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>>42157893
Nah, spring-powered.

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>>42157893
Yes its an airsoft gun.

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>>42157892
>it's just the Fo3 10mm SMG
But why.

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I scored my highest score ever in competition today, which i think puts me at the top of my class, and prairie dogging on top 10 in the state.
Out of around 200 competitors.

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>>42157913

Unironically cuz the red commie Chinese be stealing American designs.

Of course I had to buy it anyway.

>>42157914
>prairie dogging

That's not good. I recommend a stool softener.

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If you're on Normiebook, you should follow this page, it's pretty entertaining
https://www.facebook.com/ATFisWatchingYou/

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>>42157914
>I scored my highest score ever in competition today, which i think puts me at the top of my class,
Congratulations!

>prairie dogging on top 10 in the state.

Are there a lots of prairie dogs in your state?

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>>42157936
I like the challenge.

>>42158048
Thanks!
Just groundhogs. They taste just as good though.

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>>42157914
Congrats!

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Gun Jesus goes hunting, cleaning and cooking! One deer and three wild boars.

Apocrypha: My Field to Table Hunting/Learning Vacation

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So look what just came back into my care:
Is an Izmsh M44 carbine that a buddy of mine had tried to bubba into a psuedo scout rifle by hacking the barrel off behind the bayonet mount, replacing the rear sight with a crappy aluminum rail and mounting a cheap red dot on it.
This setup was shockingly enough, inaccurate as all hell and the muzzle blast from the ~17" bbl is a thing to behold even during the day. So once he grew frustrated with his abomination he sold it to me and I tried to turn it into something vaguely useful. I put the original rear sight back on and installed a new front sight, sanded the stock down and treated it with boiled linseed oil, polished the sear, shimmed the trigger spring and converted the bolt to cock-on-closing.
Is still an abomination but is slightly less ugly and markedly more useful.
Pretty nearly ten years ago my dad decided he wants to borrow it. He has a thing for M44's because he had claimed one as a battlefield pickup during the Rhodesian Bush War but had left it behind in South Africa when we moved here.
I more or less forgot about it until today when he comes over with it and a bag of venison. He bagged a deer with it this morning and now that he's scratched that itch I guess he's satisfied and so returned it to me.

Might eventually scare-up a new barrel and stock for it.

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Look what followed me home

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>>42158246
Vacuum your floor.

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>>42158246
>>42158247
Yeah, that looks pretty gross. Your guns deserve better than that.

And so do you I guess.

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>>42158247
>>42158267

Yeah I've been lazy. Dogs got into my closet the other day and made a mess of it.

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>>42158238
Nice nugget! Would putting a sound suppressor on the carbine-length barrel tame the blast?

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And speaking of sound suppressors, I got a happy email today!

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>>42158292
Can you even hit the broad side of a barn with that stockless?

Not questioning your aim here but the fairly short barrel stockless config on that...thing.

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>>42158304
never understood the point the point of AK pistols myself

but eh

its something

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>>42158299

It would certainly help. I've got a big stonking flash hider with quick-detach suppresor threads kicking around here somewhere.

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>>42158246
Nice.
AK pistols are the OG rattler, and i like how you manage to find good looking ones.
Also, your carpet looks fine.

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>>42158304

Yes! As long as you're not dumping wildly you can do pretty well. If you have a sling you can really brace yourself enough to push it out fairly far. People really buy these things as bases for SBRs or to use a pistol brace on though.

>>42158332

Thank you, I have a discerning eye for slavshit.

I vacuumed it today, I need to stop doing work in it because there's some black spots from guns on it now. Just my closet so meh, but it's at least clean now.


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