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>>42069780
>teaching gun safety in public schools

>teaching
>in public schools

>>42069743
Not that i would want to, but adding a stock to a pistol that doesn't have one from the manufacturer is a ten year felony really? How does that work? Is it full auto or something?

Also do those fancy grips actually help with accuracy or just look "futuristic"?

>>42069757
Interesting, thx!

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>>42069792
>Not that i would want to, but adding a stock to a pistol that doesn't have one from the manufacturer is a ten year felony really? How does that work?
Short answer:
By law, anything with a stock is a "rifle" and any rifle with less than a 16" barrel is a felony.

So in this case, if you attached a stock, you will have created a rifle with a 7" barrel.

Long answer:
You can acquire a tax stamp to own a short barreled rifle from the federal government. It costs $200 and the item needs to be registered with ATF. There is paperwork to fill out and a 6 month waiting period (on average) before you are allowed to take it home.

If you cross a state border with it without alerting ATF, its a felony.

And some states (like mine) have and out and out ban, so even if i satisfied all the federal requirements, it would still be a felony to possess it in my state.

Exemptions are made for historical and "antique" firearms, for example, some German Lugers that had stocks, and Mauser broom-handles (han solos gun).

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>>42069792
>Not that i would want to, but adding a stock to a pistol that doesn't have one from the manufacturer is a ten year felony really? How does that work? Is it full auto or something?
>
>Also do those fancy grips actually help with accuracy or just look "futuristic"?

There are some loopholes regarding pistols that can be converted to carbines. The Luger, Mauser C96 and Browning High Power have lugs that take stocks and are perfectly legal today. It has something to do with the year the gun was built and how wide the adaption of such an accessory was.

As for the custom pistol grip, that's strictly a target shooter's option. I've seen .22 Olympic target pistols sold with two sets of un-carved blank grips. You carve them to your specific hand size. I've never felt the need for such customization but have seen them in use with success at matches. The same holds true for adding weights to the barrel to promote a better balance as well as mass for keeping the sights on target in competition.

/edit

I forgot about the Thompson Center G2 Contender rifle/pistol system. They had to go to court over their right to build a gun that could be both a single shot pistol and rifle in modular legal barrel lengths. They won and the system is still legal without a tax stamp.

https://www.tcarms.com/firearms/interchangeable-platforms/t-c-g2contender-complete-pistol-rifle-firearms
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>>42069795
>I forgot about the Thompson Center G2 Contender rifle/pistol system. They had to go to court over their right to build a gun that could be both a single shot pistol and rifle in modular legal barrel lengths. They won and the system is still legal without a tax stamp.
It is still not legal to have a pistol barrel on the receiver at the same time as a stock with out a tax stamp.

You can turn a pistol into a rifle, and back into a pistol, but you cant turn a rifle into a pistol and back into a rifle.

Its why many people build AR15 "pistols" so it can be both.

Its extremely dumb.

Its also why you can convert your glock into a carbine, and back into a pistol.

But the carbine must have a 16" barrel and be 26" in over all length, as dose the T/C contender when stocked.

Edit
This was to expand on your point, not refute it.
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>>42069794
>>42069795

I wonder who these highly technical regulations are supposed to protect, and how many hobbyists are accidentally felons who cant have guns or vote anymore because they played in their garages without doing the research first.

Trixie is best rap god

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>>42069803
government

making everything complicated since forever

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>>42069803
Well, that is an issue. Its why gun companies make barrels that 16.5" (shotguns 18.5 because a shotgun barrel needs to be 18" with a 26" OAL)
So that if you drop the thing and chip the end of the barrel, you dont become a felon.

Its all the 1936 National Firearms Act that set these laws. Thats why these things are called "NFA items"
Suppressors and vertical forgrips were involved in this too.

Its all for the same reasons that you see today, nothing has changed, its a knee jerk reaction to the times.

"Short barrel" rifles and shotguns because of Bonny and Clyde.

Machine guns because of the valentines day massacre in Chicago.

Vertical for-grips on a pistol because of John Dillinger.

Gangster movies and the media drove the gun legislation at the time, just like video games and "mass shootings" drive it now.
None of it is science, which is why people who know about guns are angry.

Its also why we rag on cali so much, its not because we hate california, or people from california, but because it seems the goal is to make gun laws so confusing that you dont know if your a felon or not, and firearms so unusable, that people will be too scared to enjoy the sport in the first place. They know they cant ban all guns, which is what the politicians said they would do if they could, so this is the next best way.

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>>42069879
>Its all for the same reasons that you see today, nothing has changed, its a knee jerk reaction to the times.
well before the 1930's barely anyone even cared

i mean yeah, it's been challenged since forever but always understood for the most part

suddenly when people misuse arms they all the sudden forget what the amendment says and try to misinterpret it to the best of their ability

that's why i dont think it's a good idea to give them ANYTHING
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it's just like...

>NFA
<happy now?
not enough
>gun control act of 1968
<okay, slow down a bit now
NOT ENOUGH AND WHAT DOES "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED MEAN AGAIN?"
>Hughes Amendment
<...what else do you want now?
MORE LAWS
>brady law
<are you done?
NO SOMETHING HAS HAPPEND MORE GUN CONTROL

it goes on and no and on

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>>42069888
>well before the 1930's barely anyone even cared
Before the 1930's there were not "Talkies" to go to, and news reels to make money on, and no prohibition to make criminal enterprises.

I think that has a lot to do with it, between city folks being influenced by movies and news reels, people just saw life for what it was, and guns for what they were.

Now everything is hyped because the news needs to make a buck, and misinformed because movies and games are most peoples "education" on the subject.

And its not just guns, this problem permiates to all things, which is why gun owners are normally pro small government, even if they wern't to start, because if they can get guns so wrong, and make decisions that effect people lives in such ignorance about something we have knowledge of, I assume they are doing that for all topics.

>>42069889
>it goes on and no and on
There have been great strides in the past century or so as far as gun ownership and gun freedom, but it will be a never ending battle, freedom is a never ending battle.

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>>42069890
i want small government simply because it seems to be everything they touch it turns to dust

i just wish government was only left to deal with violent criminals and foreign invaders

people like to make fun of the NAP

but honestly, it's the most sane route there is

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>>42069892
I love naps!

But seriously, what is the NAP?

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>>42069893
i means where you can do pretty much whatever you want so long as you arent harming another person or their property

so if someone wants to do drugs all day they can

they're harming themselves not others

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>>42069894
Oh, then yeah I'm pretty much down with that. Problem is, what is "harming others" is a matter of opinion and not really black and white.

Guns and drugs are really good examples, because both are things that if used responsibly and personally, they don't harm anyone else, but can have an impact on other people if in the hands of a shitty person.

This is why in theory im okay with regulations, but every year they push me farther away from that opinion with the non-stop demands for pseudo science.

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>>42069895
i believe everything should be treated with responsibility

i just dont trust a load of bureaucrats to dictate how these things should be handled

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>>42069896
>i just dont trust a load of bureaucrats to dictate how these things should be handled
Yeah, nether do I. Freedom is risk, but its no mistake the the freest societies tend to be the safest as well.

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>>42069899
i honestly believe it's freedom that makes places so safe

people look our for one another more than government ever does

these hurricanes we've had only proves that point further

you see people go through hell and back to help another out

and they do it far quicker and more efficient than government

you will find people on the grills making others meals before the national guard even gets there
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>>42069900
Yeah, people who actually care for one another will always be a better source of support in times of crisis.

Government looks at you like a number, your neighbor looks at you like a person.

Not saying that having 2 levels of support is a bad thing, but i would really only trust myself and my friends and family to actually be of any use.

I just think its funny that places that have more feel good "gun control" tend to also have more violent gun crime. I dont know how direct the correlation is, but it it definitely there.

Both sides can twist the numbers any way they want though, so really I think it comes down to a philosophical argument.

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>>42069902
>I dont know how direct the correlation is, but it it definitely there.
it's no doubt there

you can see it in plain reality

see, people in rural areas or even small cities have gun problems

it's just drug issues if anything

but in the cities gang violence is through the roof which is almost ignored on the national level

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>>42069903
>but in the cities gang violence is through the roof which is almost ignored on the national level
I think its because its a complicated issue that one law wont be able to solve, and it would take years of hard work to even begin to solve the problems of the inner cities, and even then, there will never be a "solution" to human nature... not a moral one anyway.

And that, my friend, doesn't focus group well haha.
So why bring it up? Its much easier to say "we will solve violence by banning adjustable stocks! Vote for me!"

Or

"We will make sure no one is poor with this one program! Vote for me!"

So real, tangible problems that need to be looked at and worked on continuously with no real finality, will never be a national issue.

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>>42069905
bah, that's what pisses me of about politicians

they never ever look at a real solution

they just say pretty much those lines and people eat it right up

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>>42069906
Yup, its why I think poverty will never be eliminated, its way too good of a carrot to dangle.

"These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference."
-LBJ to Richard Russell, a fellow Senator, from Georgia, discussing the civil right acts.

I don't think much has changed.
And its not just Blacks ether, its how they look at all of us.
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>>42069911
it's actually really sad to see the state of politics being this way

while sad

not surprising

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>>42069913
Politics has become a buisness for personal gain, and we are just the consumer.

Its why i think its funny that people who are all like "Corporations maaaaannnnn, there so evil!"
Want more government.

Corporations might drive government, but they at least dont have the final say over us, but when politicians are in it JUST for votes, they will only do the bear minimum to keep people voting for them, and if they don't have a problem, or admit a problem is more complicated then they have made it sound, they wont get our money... err... votes.... err... both.

Its not about running society, its about staying in power. A society with divisive problems is the perfect situation for our current political situation to benefit from, so, its doubtful it will change.

At least without more good people getting involved, but again, who would want to be involved?
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>>42069914
>Corporations might drive government, but they at least dont have the final say over us, but when politicians are in it JUST for votes, they will only do the bear minimum to keep people voting for them, and if they don't have a problem, or admit a problem is more complicated then they have made it sound, they wont get our money... err... votes.... err... both.
ive said this for year and absolutely agree

corporations can be shit in their own way but they dont have the least' bit of control over me

meanwhile government can ruin your life

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>>42069915
Yup, and government uses just as much advertising, just as many backroom deals, just as much hiding of assets and lies.

But i dont have to buy nikes, but i am liable to be put in a cage for not obeying government.

Which is why, when laws are made in ignorance, its a real problem.

Again, look at marijuana. Millions of lives ruined, not by the substance, but by the laws governing it. Pretty much everyone agrees with that, yet, they should have more power?

I dont understand how people think thats okay.

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>>42069916
this is why i say laws should be made only to deal violent offenders

laws for others things are fine but for fucks sake

make the punishments reasonable and just

like you said, you can get in serious trouble just for having a green planet

ill take big greedy corporations that i dont have to spend money on than the shit government does any day

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Tell me about the funniest weapon ever devised.

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>>42070005
Gyrojet Rocket Pistol

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>>42070005
Of contemporary fare, the double tap.

Read the MFG info on the receiver... why did they have to specify it was made on Earth? haha.

Ether that or, was it Spikes Tactical that made all the AR lowers with "Poop" in the serial numbers, so peoples federal books had to have the word "poop" in them?... that was pretty damn funny haha.

Edit:
It was Palmetto State Armory
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-stripped-poop-flinging-gremlin-lower-receiver.html
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>>42070005
Shotgun shells loaded with rock salt. They don't seem funny at face value, but you'll understand once you use them on squatters and hippies trespassing on your property in search of mushrooms.

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>>42070005
you asked for it

Miniature Guns that Actually Shoot

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>>42070007
What? AR15 lowers called the "Poop flinging goblin" with POOP in the serial number too low-brow for this crowd?
Thats some funny shit right there haha.

>>42070064
I have shotgun shells loaded with wild flower seeds so when you shoot, you are also planting wild flowers haha.

Also, i have confetti rounds so my shotgun is a party cannon.
they are a felony in CT, Pinky Pie would be serving 10 years and face a 10,000 dollar fine haha

>>42070119
I've always wanted one of these! But im pretty sure they are NFA... Short barrel.

UUUGGGGGHHHHHHHHH haha
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>>42070064
No those are for ghosts.

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>>42070119
Omigosh so cute

>>42070134
>ponk criminally insane

Oh, yeeahh baby. Thats why she's my #one.

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OK, let's talk about your last visit to a gun counter and asked to finger fuck a dream gun.

I walked up to a used gun counter where an employee was stocking new acquisitions in a case. He turned to me with a sly look on his face and handed me a used SIG 1911 clone.

He said to work the slide. Seeing there was no magazine in the gun, I turned it in a safe direction and worked the slide.

It was fucking heaven! I'd never experienced such a combination of ease of use and smoothness! So fucking worth the price for that build quality alone. If I were to buy a Colt 1911 clone, I'd drop the money on a used SIG.
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>>42070230
You're right fam.

I meant to say shells loaded with vials of jizz, so I can blast criminals with my cum shots.

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>>42070007
>Read the MFG info on the receiver... why did they have to specify it was made on Earth? haha.

Probably wanting their gun to be used to fend off the eventual alien invasion, and they want that damn alien scum to know they were destroyed by guns manufactured on Earth.

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>>42070267
Been a long time since I handled a firearm that impressed me, but recently i played with a pair of custom Remington 700s that had Timney triggers.
Boy... I could dry fire those all day. Just thinking about pressing it and the trigger let it go, crisp, solid, soooo nice.

Was an RR prefix rem, so I wouldnt want it in my safe, esp because the safety didnt work correctly and would fuck everything up because remington cant make a gun to save their life.
But
I want that trigger.
I have a little model of an accutrigger that was for display that i keep on my desk and pull every once in a while because its just nice to pull a good trigger haha.

Also, all 1911's are clones unless John Browning himself crafted it by hand, naked.

The Sig 1911s are pretty damn nice though, and the only Sig I've looked at the price tag and said "thats fair" haha.

>>42070271
Good way to combine hobbies.

>>42070272
Thats what i figure. Or they are so optimistic about gun rights and space colonization that they want to stay ahead of the curve.

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>>42070005
Creative Weapons of the Medieval Era

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Dear diary,

Today I learned that the design of the SKS was scaled down from an anti-tank rifle.

That's pretty neat.

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>>42070337

The PTRS-41 anti-tank rifle. I once started a meme in COD Nazi Zombies of calling it the "Whale Gun" because there's a picture of couple Soviet sailors allegedly shooting at a whale floating about the internet somewhere. The Soviets started fielding PTRS and PTRD AT rifles in order to give Infantry some anti-armor capability as part of their defense in depth strategy. The idea was that when the Germans German armor and mechanized units would penetrate an area dug-in and concealed infantry would then pop up and engage armored vehicles from the flanks with AT rifles, AT grenades and molotov cocktails. They proved so effective that the Germans started mounting spaced armor to the vehicles in order to defeat the 14.5mm cartridge. Even the flanks of the Panther were vulnerable to it.

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damn this would be fun!

Automatic fire vs. semi-automatic fire

>ban the AR-15!!!!
okay, you're right we should have the M4/M16's instead
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Anybody seen Hands lately? I just bought a woodland camo Chaplain's field stole from one of the guys on usmilitaria forums for my collection and I thought he might appreciate such a thing.

Am working on finding/assembling a complete Chaplain's Catholic field kit for my collection. I have most of the consumables portion. The bibles, hymnals and rosaries but lack the pouch for them and still need to find the rest of the service kit. The chalice, crucifix, anointing oil, etc. and the pouch for it.

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>>42070392
nah, hands decided to leave permanently

simple because he wants to

didnt entirely have a reason besides that

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>>42070393

Yeah I remember, but I figured one of y'all might have kept track him some other way like DIscord or whatever.

Plus few who say they're leaving actually do.

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>>42070392
I love that EDRL. There is a blotch in the pattern that looks like a fox with a big lump on its back, and its looking back at it concerned.

See if you can find it and see what im talking about haha.

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I want this really bad, but...

MSRP is $900 FUCKING DOLLARS!

They will probably retail for around $700.

If you pay 700 for a 590 you are out of your mind. I dont care how nice the stock looks.

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Also wouldnt mind this tbh.

Its pretty useless without a sig brace.

More of a pretty 14" barrel holder. Keeping it warm until we are free again.

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