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>mfw I'm incapable of subvocalizing Chewy *Element Of Fortitude*!!Twilight Sparkle  42036852

I-I don't understand, am I just getting meme'd on /lit/?

there are all these people saying you can "read" things without actually pronouncing each word individually in your head.

how the fuck is that possible? I literally pronounce them automatically. every single word I look at. sometimes I mouth it to myself too.

Anonymous  42036874

I've never really been able to read "out loud" like that if I go much over 200wpm.

Anonymous  42036930

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Try this with different speeds.

http://spritzinc.com

Might help you get the feeling of reading without pronunciation. It can go to speeds where it's pretty damn impossible to follow along if you pronounce them in your mind.

Anonymous  42036932

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>>42036930
Oh my god this is amazing.

Anonymous  42036948

it ain't just gonna happen it takes practice

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>>42036930
700 wpm is highly uncomfortable.

ika !BEOyTeshjE  42036951

>>42036930
I think i can do up to 500 but im more comfortable with 450

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>>42036951
I can go up to 700 but anything above 550 for me becomes a chore.

ika !BEOyTeshjE  42036955

>>42036953
I could kind of make out what 700 said, but not completely. I'm so not jsed to reading.

-Z-  42036958

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>>42036930
Reading faster sure, but what of comprehension...

  42036959

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Were you trying to shitpost through telepathy?

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>>42036958
At 700 it's difficult because basically you have to see the words and process them at a different rate, so it's like reading two different things at the same time.

It's possible but a very non-pleasant way to read.

Anonymous  42036984

>>42036982
I wouldn't call it outright unpleasant, but it would become taxing if it was anything you had to analyze in detail like complicated business transactions between entities you aren't familiar with.

-Z-  42036992

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>>42036982
>>42036984
So lo and behold another "wow, life hack" scam.

Anonymous  42036995

>>42036992
I think it's more of a toy than a life hack.

-Z-  42036997

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>>42036995
I... actually like that better.

Yeah, use that one.

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>>42036992
>>42036997
To be fair, if you're reading at normal speeds like 300 it's actually a LOT easier to read shit this way, I'm not gonna lie.

-Z-  42037001

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>>42036998
But I'm not talking about reading, I'm talking about comprehension.

How much can you understand and remember when the words and flying past you at such speeds?

Because unless you're some kind of savant, chances are you'll retain very little.

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRo  42037014

>>42036852
>there are all these people saying you can "read" things without actually pronouncing each word individually in your head.

TIL

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>>42037001
Most of it. Up until 550 I can understand every word. After that I miss a couple and kind of just have to use keywords to fill in the blanks.

-Z-  42037022

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>>42037017
But at reading at 550 words per minute, can you in any form recollect any of what you have read...?

Is there any retention to what you've read so quickly...?

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>>42037022
Yeah. Of course. Why?

What is so weird about that?

For example the one at 550 talks about how language has been a staple of society since the beginning but with the advent of modern technology we can change the way we use language, and the program it's talking about utilizes the idea that if you center words in a specific space on the screen, your eyes don't have to waste time moving across a page, thus making reading more efficient overall.

I took a standard reading test online just to compare the difference and I clocked in on that one at about 393 wpm.
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Chewy *Element Of Fortitude*!!Twilight Sparkle  42037040

>>42036930

higher than 300 is basically impossible for me to understand

am I retarded or something?

Anonymous  42037043

>>42037040
There really isn't a link between the speed and anything.

Noonim  42037047

>>42036852
You can definitely do it. Otherwise I'd be reading a helluva lot slower than I do

Jacey  42037052

>>42036930
that's pretty fuckin' neat

Anonymous  42037055

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>>42036852
How do you read math? You wouldn't try to pronounce this equation, would you?

Noonim  42037060

>>42037055
I do, but I suspect that because I barely understand math.

Whelp!tEfVeritas  42037062

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I always find it weird when people say shit like "I read that in Morgan Freeman's voice" or something, because I don't remember ever reading in any sort of voice. I don't think in any sort of voice either. I'm sure I did read in a voice when I was much younger, but I can't remember every doing so, and I still don't unless I deliberately try to make myself do so.

So, with that said... I honestly didn't know there were people who read things differently. I always assumed that when people said stuff like the example I gave above, they were saying that they made themselves read it in that voice and found it enjoyable or something. Didn't know that some people actually read with a voice.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM  42037063

>>42037055
Negative x squared plus y squared equals one minus a hundred twenty-one thousand, six hundred and sixty-five over a hundred twenty-one thousand, six hundred and sixty-six, multiplied by x squared times y squared.

Anonymous  42037066

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Starshine!Laura/wmXM  42037086

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Anonymous  42037088

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>>42037040
Probably, but you're still smarter than those who can't read silently. There was a time when you could really have impressed people with that ability.

Silent Reading
Ambrose (ad 338-397), Bishop of Milan, appears to have been the first person in Europe who could read without moving his lips; or, at least, that’s the interpretation generally given to this passage from the Confessions of St Augustine of Hippo.

‘When [Ambrose] read, his eyes scanned the page and his heart sought out the meaning, but his voice was silent and his tongue was still. Anyone could approach him freely and guests were not commonly announced, so that often, when we came to visit him, we found him reading like this in silence, for he never read aloud.’

Although there are various references to it in antiquity (Henry Chadwick says that it was ‘uncommon, but not unknown’ – e.g. it is attributed by Plutarch to Julius Caesar and Alexander the Great, and there are characters in Greek plays who read silently on stage), silent reading seems to have been a lost art in Europe in Ambrose’s time. The passage from the Confessions doesn’t directly state that Ambrose was unique, of course, but it is clear that the scholarly Augustine regarded silent reading as being akin to a conjuring trick of some sort.
http://qi.com/infocloud/silence

🐈🐈Katicus🐈🐈!FGiFL0Ecls  42037089

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>>42036930
300-350 is comfortable, but 400 is very doable.

Chewy *Element Of Fortitude*!!Twilight Sparkle  42037128

>>42037055

I actually do.

I'm terrible at math.

>>42037088

it's very rare that I read silently. I can do it but I prefer to have music.

Anonymous  42037136

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>>42037088
I remember reading some stuff about how books contemporary to that period generally lacked punctuation and devices that we would consider absolutely mandatory. It was framed in a way that without the devices silent reading is impossible, but now I'm considering the alternative that silent reading was already considered impossible so such devices weren't necessary.

Whelp!tEfVeritas  42037137

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>>42036930

Huh, just tried this. 550 is comfortable, 600 is a bit tiring, and while I can read 700 for the first sentence or so, my eyes quickly zone out, and I have to re-focus them constantly, leading to me missing individual words and straining them. Guess I'm not as good at reading as I'd hoped.

EDIT: Actually, 500 is probably more comfortable than 550. I can read the 550, but it's slightly faster than I like to read when just doing it at my own leisure.
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Anonymous  42037195

>>42036932
I agree!

That would have been very handy when I was having to read hundreds of pages of text every week when I was in college! Now that most textbooks are digitized, this would be of incredible value paired with a laptop or tablet.

!Vilci..jP.  42037257

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Fuck, whenever somebody mentions reading words out in their head, it automatically happens to me for like an hour. It's the same sort of thing as "you are now breathing manually", it's infuriating.
I have no idea how people cope with written words behaving like this in their head all the time, I can't stand it.

Admiral  42037259

>>42036930
I can do 700 wpm comfortably. Is this a superpower?

jig  42037328

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>>42037259
While driving or GTFO.

Chewy *Element Of Fortitude*!!Twilight Sparkle  42037434

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Well, since it's established that I am an ultra-brainlet with reading speed/comprehension, the question is:

HOW DO I IMPROVE?
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>>42037434
Alchemy?
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Neppy!DESU/dTf9A  42037436

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>>42036930
700 is very doable, but 500 is a more comfortable pace I feel.

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>>42037434
Well, the reliance on trying to vocalize every word is the main hurdle.

Basically what you need to do is start seeing words as concepts instead of words if that makes sense. You want to get to the point that when you see a word you instantly understand it's meaning without having to 'read' it, so to speak.

Right now your process for a word like say 'Subdue' is to think 'Sub-Due. Subdue. Oh I know what that word is.'

If you do this for every word it is going to slow you down. Basically you have to get past the 'reading the word to understand it' and simply move to understanding the word the moment you see it, without the need to work the word out in your head first.

Anonymous  42037438

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>>42037434
Do you subvocalize words in languages that use different pronunciations in those languages or english?

What about unpronounceable words like Qwghlm?

Chewy *Element Of Fortitude*!!Twilight Sparkle  42037473

>>42037437

But...how? I just don't understand how that would be possible, at least for me.

>>42037438

If I can't pronounce a word in my head at all, I just skip it. Most english words I am able to pronounce.

I want to be able to read faster. Much faster. Depending on the density of the book I'm reading, it can take me a full minute or more to read one page...

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>>42037473
It's difficult to explain how exactly. To be honest, if you can't do it naturally you may be stuck not being able to do it at all (but don't take my word for it, I don't know for sure).

But since I have Dyscalcuila I do actually understand your predicament. See, for me it's the same thing with math. People will see a problem like 12 + 17 and be able to see the answer almost instantly, while I actually have to go through and put everything tother manually and count each thing in my head by hand to come up with an answer. It's something my brain simply cannot do. I see a math problem more complex than like 4+4 and my brain just goes blank and I have to slowly work everything out. I can't just 'know'. If words are the same for you, it might be a form of Dyslexia.

But don't worry, having one of these things doesn't make you 'dumb'. It just means you struggle with that particular type of information processing.

I don't consider myself stupid in the least but if someone asked me what 8+7 was I would look at them as though they just slapped me across the face.

Chewy *Element Of Fortitude*!!Twilight Sparkle  42037481

>>42037476
>it's the same thing with math. People will see a problem like 12 + 17 and be able to see the answer almost instantly, while I actually have to go through and put everything tother manually and count each thing in my head by hand to come up with an answer. It's something my brain simply cannot do. I see a math problem more complex than like 4+4 and my brain just goes blank and I have to slowly work everything out. I can't just 'know'.

I'm the same way, math is even more difficult for me, in fact I'm borderline incapable of doing it since being out of school because I rarely have reason to be solving anything beyond basic addition and subtraction.

>>42037476

>If words are the same for you, it might be a form of Dyslexia.


why did nobody ever explain this stuff to me when I was young? nobody ever asked me about any of this in school or anything. I was always told I excelled, significantly, at english by all my teachers, because my handwriting was perfect as early as elementary school, and I had college-level reading comprehension and grammar abilities in early high school (supposedly) and all that.

I feel like I either lost certain strengths after I got out of school, or teachers exaggerated how good at things I actually was...but I don't see why they would, there wasn't any beating around the bush when it came to me sucking at other subjects, it just seems like english was the one subject where my abilities were consistently praised, but now I'm just finding out through the internet that my basic reading ability is practically stunted? I don't get it.
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Anonymous  42037482

Is it a ridiculous hypothesis to suggest that, if you pour all your energy into developing processing speed, it might have a negative impact on other softer areas of intelligence later on?

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>>42037481
As far as I know, most schools actually don't put a lot of emphasis on reading speed and more focus on comprehension. So if you have high comprehension they may not have realized how long it took you to actually read something. See, if you can read orally at a normal pace, which you can, they would have no idea that your internal reading speed was the same.

I believe the average person is capable of reading faster than they can speak, so when you read out loud, your reading speed is capped at whatever speed you're speaking at.

For example on that Sprintz thing, I can read at 700, and comfortably at 550, but I CANNOT talk that fast. Not even close. My talking speed would be more around 300, like you said you were at.

I'm not a specialist here so I can't actually diagnose you with anything, but if your reading speed is capped at your verbalization speed, you might want to do a bit more research on it because I don't believe that is normal. It might also just be a habit you can learn to break, like touch typing vs. hen-peck typing. I'm not sure.
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Chewy *Element Of Fortitude*!!Twilight Sparkle  42037485

>>42037483

I'm almost afraid, I've already been diagnosed with so much shit and gone through special/different treatment than regular people, I just want to leave it be at this point...but at the same time the idea of being able to read faster is really appealing, if there were something that could be done to improve it...

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>>42037485
I did a bit of reading about it and it seems it may just be a habit some people develop, and there may be ways to improve it.

Check out this thing:
https://www.irisreading.com/how-to-reduce-subvocalization/

It seems the average reading speed for people who do sub-vocalization is about 150-200 wpm.

It says one of the things you can try is simply not vocalizing unimportant words in a sentence. The example they give is I the sentence: "The boy jumped over the fence." You would only need to vocalize "Boy jumped fence." Because that is the core information the sentence is giving you and the 'meat' of it. The rest help the sentence flow but aren't required for comprehension.
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Chewy *Element Of Fortitude*!!Twilight Sparkle  42037488

>>42037486

I bookmarked that page, I will try some of it soon hopefully.

I worry though that not subvocalizing will impact my enjoyment of the prose of novels. I feel like a lot of the stuff I've read wouldn't flow as well if I wasn't subvocalizing. But if that's how most people do it, I must be wrong.

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>>42037488
Sub-vocalization is a skill, but not one you always need. It's like cooking. If you're trying to make something fancy and elegant, taking your time to really make something good out of it can be worth it. Other times you're just trying to fill your stomach and just slap together a grilled cheese sandwich.

Even if you learn to read without sub-vocalization, doesn't mean you never have to do it.
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Awdrii  42037501

>>42036852
i think i subvocalize everything and i just now learned what that was lol but like idk what the actual problem is with that? like maybe it would help you read meaningless unimportant text like ponychan posts faster but for anything else, like studying or reading a book i like don't see why you'd want to rush it and go extra fast for ???

>>42036930
whoa this is real comfy i hope more things support this soon

>>42037195
idk how good it would be for textbooks doe cause i use them a lot more like going back and rechecking how to do something and flipping around than straight reading them

>>42037438
>What about unpronounceable words like Qwghlm?
when i meet a word i dunno my brain sorta makes the best quick approximation, like that became "quillgim".

Heavy Mole  42037782

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>>42036930
I can comprehend at 700 WPM, but the sentence difficulty isn't very high. I think it would be difficult to read at that speed and, say, follow a philosophical tract or a poem.

Heavy Mole  42037785

>>42037434
Chewy, you're not an ultra-brainlet!

Maybe you need to practice reading more slowly?

Admiral  42037836

I learned to read by reading over the shoulder of someone who was reading to me. Maybe some kind of a reading along to audiobook experience might help you make the pronunciation more subconscious.

Noonim  42037838

>>42037434
Put yourself in situations where quick reading skills is vital.
Play SS13, that's a good choice. Can't tell you how many people I've killed thanks to being able to type faster than they could, or read-and-run.

Chewy *Element Of Fortitude*!!Twilight Sparkle  42037851

>>42037836
>reading along to audiobook

I know someone else who does this, that could be worth trying, then I would have to read at the speed the audiobook reader goes too

>>42037785

y tho

Princess Dan Ella Woon!.fNJV2Jlhw  42037996

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>>42036930
That thing just blew my mind.


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