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Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002444

>Rereading the Torah
>Going through Leviticus
>God/Moses giving commandments to the Israelite assembly
>Halfling comes out of the crowd and insults God
>They stop the meeting to stone the dude to death
>Go right back to giving commandments

Cold af tbh

Chewy {Element Of Fortitude}!MUSIC.FbVY 42002447

when I read the Bible I feel like the biggest brainlet ever. I can't keep track of anything. but the prose is pretty cool.

Unknownpony!UNKNOwnY.U 42002454

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>>42002447
Who reads a bible? It's the easiest way to stop beliving. It's pretty ironic

Chewy {Element Of Fortitude}!MUSIC.FbVY 42002455

>>42002454

I read it for the literary value and historical significance rather than the religious aspect

!ScyphTlOY6 42002456

>>42002444
Which commandment were they on?

Unknownpony!UNKNOwnY.U 42002460

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>>42002455
Wanna learn how to fuck over half of the humanity with one simple trick ?

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002462

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>>42002447

When reading through the five books of Moses and the Tanakh you don't need to really pay attention to stuff like "what tribe does what job" etc. Mosaic law is the big thing to take out of Exodus through Deuteronomy.

The New Testament is pretty straight forward but reading the Tanakh will give you a better understanding of it. Whether that will strengthen your faith in Christ or destroy it is a different matter.

>>42002454

>easiest way to stop believing


Hardly. Unless one is just trying to break away from Christianity.

>>42002456

He just got done talking about how to make offerings on the Sabbath.

>>42002460

/tips fedora
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Chewy {Element Of Fortitude}!MUSIC.FbVY 42002477

>>42002462

I'm still on Genesis

Anonymous 42002480

The Talmud is where all the interesting stuff is. Its not a mere stereotype that Jews love to argue. Rabbis sitting around a table, ready to throttle eachother.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw
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Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002486

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>>42002477

Genesis is long af.

After you get through that the "X son of Y begot Z" shit drops off.

>>42002480

Interesting, yes. But that's for advanced reading, not for people who haven't already got a decent understanding of Torah/Tanakh.

Then after that you get Kabbalah which is Master tier and only for professionals.

Chewy {Element Of Fortitude}!MUSIC.FbVY 42002505

>>42002486
>shit drops off

what do you mean? is that good or bad?

!ScyphTlOY6 42002507

>>42002505
>After you get through that, the "X son of Y begot Z" shit drops off.

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002512

>>42002505

If you don't want to read a page and a half of who is related to who then I'd say it's a good thing that that shit drops off severely.

Once you get past Deuteronomy it's all but gone.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM 42002529

>>42002486
>>42002512
Chronicles 1 is like, entirely "X begot Y" though, isn't it?

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002534

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>>42002529

Only the first 10 chapters

You can basically skip them.
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Heavy Mole 42002544

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>>42002444
That's a curious incident. What do you suppose the symbolism is there?

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002547

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>>42002544

It's fairly straightforward. The dude was not only took God's name in vain, but committed blasphemy by actually cursing the name YHWH.

The point is to show that both the Israelites as well as resident-aliens are equally liable for sacrilege, as shortly before two of Aaron's sons, priests, committed sacrilege and were killed as a result.

Heavy Mole 42002548

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>>42002547
What's a halfling?

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002549

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>>42002548

Not a biblical term. The guy is described as a half-Egyptian, not a full Israelite.

Heavy Mole 42002554

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>>42002549
Ah. That's probably significant.

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002557

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>>42002554

It's not that he's half Egyptian that is important, it's that he's a resident alien among the Israelites. At this point it has been made clear that "ger toshav" (non-Israelites/Hebrews who obey the Law and follow the commandments) are to be welcomed and treated like anyone else.

This is showing that just as well behaved strangers are to be treated like any Israelite, those who break the Law are to suffer the same consequences as any Israelite.
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Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002559

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Another interesting bit out of Deuteronomy:

Deuteronomy 20:10 - "When you approach a town to attack it, you shall offer it terms of peace."

The idea that God commanded the Israelites to commit wholesale genocide against the seven nations that inhabited the promised land is a common misconception.

Heavy Mole 42002560

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>>42002557
It seems like a point like that could be made just as easily at a less crucial moment. Alternatively, it is a strange emphasis to place on such a pivotal event in Jewish religious history, though perhaps that would depend on one's interpretation of the 'gist' of the Law...

I am not as acquainted with the style and purport of the Old Testament as I am with the New, but I have read that it uses a similar 'parable language'. From the alchemical or esoteric point of view, "Egypt" would in fact be a significant marker, in an of itself, indicating not a polity but a kind of inner state which people live in. This "inner state" is given form by the historical and stylized representation of Egypt itself, its general drift of life, and the exodus that took place from it (succeeded by wandering in the desert, or wilderness--compare when Christ was wandering and tempted by the devil).

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002563

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>>42002560

The reason that his being half Egyptian isn't necessarily deeper than a marker of being "alien" is that such people were not uncommon. Egyptian men were acknowledged to have had many children with Israelite women, so such people were relatively common. He was just sort of used because it made sense, given where they were (still in the wilderness) limiting the number of "strangers" they'd have in their midst.

Heavy Mole 42002569

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>>42002563
Parable language is filled with commonplace people, places, occasions, etc., which are used in unusual ways to express new ideas. This includes things which would have been familiar to or part of the cultural memory of the people of the time period of the writing. It is a limitation, but one which preserves the "inner content" of the writing in a kind of wrapping.

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002571

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>>42002569

I don't know, I don't think it's really representing more than it seems to be since in Deut. 23:8-9 it says "You shall not abhor an Egyptian, for you were a stranger in his land. Children born to them may be admitted into the congregation of the Lord in the third generation."

Unless I'm misunderstanding what meaning you think his connection to Egypt has.

Heavy Mole 42002576

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>>42002571
I don't see how that would belie the notion of a symbolic language at work. It would be safe to assume that there is a kind of consistency in the use of the idea of "Egypt" as representing something, appearing in more than one place. In fact it is the multiplicity of contexts and angles (in addition to its historic content) which give it life and help prevent it from being a tendentious kind of thing.

And after all, the same case could be made for "Pharisee" and "Sadducee" which appear in the New Testament, and which were actual tribes of people, but obviously intended to represent a certain kind of attitude toward Christ and his ideas.

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002580

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>>42002576

>the idea of "Egypt" as representing something


What do you think it's meant to represent?

The Pharisees and Sadducees were not tribes so much as they were different schools of thought. At that point the tribes were all "Jews" (under Judah).

Neither the Pharisees or the Sadducees liked Jesus, the Pharisees just happened to be singled out as they were the "orthodox" position and were often in conflict with the Hellenized Sadducees. Being that the writers of the New Testament were Greek speaking Christians, it's not surprising that they'd be harder on the Pharisees though.

tho 42002588

I mean, all these forms and styles and type of language are all dependent on which version of the Old Testament you're reading, let alone which modern translation. The Yawhist? Preistly?

Heavy Mole 42002590

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>>42002580
I don't have something specific in mind; such a topic would require an exegesis of sorts and I'm not familiar enough to argue for one. Rather, I'm snouting around the dirt, looking for truffles, or in this case, what is catholic in the text (I deserve an award for that pun). There are some interesting speculations. Egypt was a pyramid building culture, which (even in 1500 BCE) would have been associated with old, or received, religion. It's primary virtue was the predictability of the Nile and its agrarian manpower (something lacking in a nomadic or semi-sedentary culture). I don't know. Perhaps these kinds of associations are more fun to make than they are pertinent.

>>42002588
That's a big problem in legalistic terms but a not-impossible-to-bridge difficulty in the literary sense.

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002591

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>>42002588

I'm using this translation.

But the Torah is composed of all four sources no matter what if we're to believe the Documentary Hypothesis.

>>42002590

>Perhaps these kinds of associations are more fun to make than they are pertinent.


That's what I'm thinking,

Heavy Mole 42002594

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>>42002591
Don't dismiss your intuition, though. It is a delicate thing.

tho 42002595

>>42002590
Well the problem is that its literally dead language for much of it. Original Hebrew is lost to us. The modern version is a far cry. We're not talking translation difficulties between one language to another, we're talking about making assumptive leaps from 5000+ year old oral traditions in a language that doesn't exist in the same form anymore, added to literary translation issues. This is on top of what I actually meant, which is that the document we have today is the result of 4 specific strains, overlapping in various degrees, from 4 very different eras and documenters who were speaking to very different audiences.

tho 42002597

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002599

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>>42002594

I'll show you delicate.

>>42002595

The differences between modern and biblical Hebrew are mostly vocabulary iirc. Mostly. It's like an modern English speaker reading Shakespeare.

Biblical Hebrew is archaic, but a modern Hebrew speaker should be able to understand it.

The dead sea scrolls also confirmed the integrity of the modern Jewish bible compared to what they had back in the day.

>>42002597

No, I've never seen this before. All about Abraham?
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tho 42002602

>>42002599
the language of the oral traditions and the written language in use today is what's got substantial differences, after all the influence of aramaic and greek on its development for so long

somewhat yeah, but it starts out with abrams family history, looks at sumerian heritage and culture and religion, follows his physical, spiritual and cultural journney through to canaan, to egypt, and back again; during the course of analysing how he embodies the emerging religion, it discusses the translations, strains and such, and the deeper poetic meanings of some of the incidents in his life, like the Aqedah, meeting melchizidek, etc

tho 42002603

but yeah i really kinda felt a spiritual connection with him as a real, living, breathing human being from history, the first time i read it

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002604

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>>42002602

Yeah I looked it up. There are some differences in syntax (though Biblical Hebrew has variations in itself) and verb forms.

Still, a modern Hebrew speaker should be alright if they keep that in mind.

>>42002603

Makes you think. What kind of dude would get recorded as the only person God calls "friend".

tho 42002608

>>42002604
I felt like the author was uniquely situated to discuss him; he was a poet, but also a historian/archeologist, and Jewish. The way he describes Abraham's relationship with Yawhweh as a sort of.. I dunno, ongoing, living contract, the way Abraham is in essence negotiating his way through life with both God and with the forces at work on earth (kings, princes, priests, family, nations etc). His life and friendship-covenant with God becoming the touchstone for the vast plurality of religous people from then on

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002612

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>>42002608

For $5 damn right I'll take that. Abe really was the best part of Genesis.
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tho 42002613

>>42002612
bear in mind that much like a lot of biblical analysis there's plenty of speculation and dont go into it looking for a scientific lens on anything; the author makes some assumptions to provide color and shade to what life was like at the time, which we have precious little insight into

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002614

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>>42002613

Oh I assumed there would be plenty if the guy is primarily a poet. That's what they do.

Given that the stuff in the Torah doesn't fill in those gaps he'd have to.

tho 42002617

>>42002614
yeah. we inherently invent the rest of the world around the characters we read about, filling in and fleshing them out in our minds each in our way - i was pretty comfy with this guy's versions.

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002619

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>>42002617

I'll pick it up. I'm working through the Tanakh before jumping into the Quran I got.

Lots of reading to do.

Hißp !ArepaaIqL. 42002834

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I have read the Bible and I find many things confusing, there is a bunch of things which I can not follow right after Genesis.

AustroSpike 42002835

>>42002834
The whole sacrifice, temple, priest, and other boring rules stuff made me take an elaborate break.

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002837

>>42002834

Like what

>>42002835

You can skip most of that, it's not really the most important stuff.

AustroSpike 42002838

>>42002837
No kidding.

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002847

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>>42002838

I think that stuff is the biggest roadblock for people trying to get through the Tanakh. For a long time it doesn't really read like the gospels.

Edelweiss !Metta5sWWk 42002851

>attempt to read the bible cover to cover
>genealogy discussion #18B
If I wanted to hear of who was son of who before people died, I'd read the Iliad again

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42002854

>>42002851

You need to power through it to get to the good stuff.

Hißp !ArepaaIqL. 42002897

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>>42002835
>>42002837

Things that happened between the Eden and Noe.

Btw, I remember that it's mentioned that God decided to shorten the natural life of humans, which I found very interesting.

42002901

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See, I have a feeling this was more like a dude stepped up and said, "I have a few questions and concerns about this." and they were like, "YOU DON'T QUESTION GOD." then threw rocks at him.

!ScyphTlOY6 42002902

>>42002901
>"I have a few questions and concerns about this."
I don't think so. I'm picturing this as a situation where everyone is either totally with Moses or totally "this is all bullshit and you're all retarded".

tho 42002903

>>42002902
the way it happened in other instance was that there was a growing group of malcontents who were disatisfied with the situation and were dealt with (though in that case, directly by God)

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42003105

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>>42002897

>Between Eden and Noah


Cain and Able etc?

>>42002901

Nah, asking questions isn't punishable by death. He cursed YHWH, which goes beyond taking his name in vain, it's blatantly blaspheming it.

Hißp !ArepaaIqL. 42003189

>>42003105

A bit before when the descendence is explained.

Something that catches my attention is:

Quien a hierro mata, a hierro muere

(I don't know how to say it in english)

It's obviously a reference to the destiny for killers, but I don't know what means exactly.
Is it an authorization for men to execute killers or is more like a description of how people how do bad things will end up suffering this destiny?

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42003194

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>>42003189

I think it's like saying "he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword."

Which means people who do such things will ultimately suffer the same.

It's not so much giving permission to execute killers as it is a warning to those who prefer violent solutions to their problems, as violence begets violence, which in turn increases your own likelihood of a violent death.
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Hißp !ArepaaIqL. 42003208

>>42003194

Um, I see.

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42003258

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>>42003208

You don't sound convinced.

Hißp !ArepaaIqL. 42003262

>>42003258

Sorry if I gave you that impression.
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Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42003325

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>>42003262

It's alright, I just wasn't sure if you were confused about something.

Hißp !ArepaaIqL. 42003338

>>42003325

Okey.

To be honest, many things confuse me and not only in this context.

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42003342

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>>42003338

Anything in particular?

I can probably help being that it's fresh.

Hißp !ArepaaIqL. 42003350

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>>42003342

A lot of little things, basically.
Nothing worth of mention right now.

Are you still into guns?

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42003354

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>>42003350

Yes.

I actually got a Colt BCG + charging handle for my M4A1 SOPMOD build today.

Hißp !ArepaaIqL. 42003358

>>42003354

How expensive is your hobbie?

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42003364

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>>42003358

Depends on what you're into.

My area is mostly military surplus and now AR15 building.

Surplus prices are rising and slavshit now commands a premium for anything worth owning in terms of rifles.

AR15's are now relatively inexpensive and highly accessible to someone even on a tight budget.

It is entirely possible for anyone who is employed to get into firearms but they will quickly run into price walls after getting past entry level stuff.

Hißp !ArepaaIqL. 42003370

>>42003364

I see... Well, I think it is an interesting hobbie.

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42003373

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>>42003370

It's fun.

It's just a shame that historical pieces are now getting more expensive as more people get into it.

Half of my love for these things is historical value for most of them.

42003376

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>>42003364
im not used to these without the adjustable stock

Hißp !ArepaaIqL. 42003379

>>42003373

I like the Kar86, the standard glock 9mm and the Magnum Anaconda.

A shame I will probably never get one.

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42003385

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>>42003376

Full length rifles typically don't use them.

>>42003379

I have a polish K98

The Anaconda is hard to find these days.

Hißp !ArepaaIqL. 42003386

>>42003385
>I have a polish K98

Lucky.

>The Anaconda is hard to find these days.


Why?

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42003387

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>>42003386

They aren't made anymore, haven't been since 2003.

Hißp !ArepaaIqL. 42003388

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42003389

>>42003388

On top of that they're expensive to begin with. Everything Colt you're paying for the name.

Hißp !ArepaaIqL. 42003392

>>42003389

No idea...

I am not really into this subject.

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42003393

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>>42003392

Everyone starts somewhere

Hißp !ArepaaIqL. 42003394

>>42003393

And everyone ends up the same.

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42003395

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>>42003394

Not in this game they don't.

Some people end up fudds, some mall ninjas, some collectors, others just stay casual.

Hißp !ArepaaIqL. 42003396

>>42003395

I understand.

...Not what I meant, though.



See you.

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42003397

>>42003396

See you later

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 42003486

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So as I've been going through I've been tabbing verses that pose existential problems for Christianity.

Let's just say there's a lot of tabs.


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