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Animism general Admiral 41866185

Have you taken the ultimate weeb-pill and reignited an interest in your own area's culture and traditions though constant exposure to Japan's weird relationship with Shintoism?

I remember learning a lot about the Native Americans of the Pacific Northwest through school and boy scouts. Traveled the state and got exposed to different tribe's way of doing things.

I liked the guy who did the series of pic related books. They were colorful surreal picture books about spirits being angered and shit. Young girl or boy traveling to the spirit world to appease the spirits and save their village. It tingled my dingle in the exact same way a bunch of the shinto stuff has.

I kind of want to become knowledgeable on the subject like I am on a lot of subjects. All the legends around local geographic features, how different groups saw them differently.

Does your area have any animist traditions, /oat/? Have you ever been interested in them? What about asian or african animist traditions? Is it possible to engage in oreintalism and promote the noble savage idea in a more fundamental way?

Reverend!Slavshit.Y 41866203

Elicoor13 41866205

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up around winthrop there's a ton of local witch myths to the point that it's like a lot of appalachian folklore, except that the appalachian folklore has traditions and is older than 200 years. also less cool cryptids, but all washington cryptids are either variants on bigfoot bullshit or recolors of other cryptids. we have a few based on native american myth too, but they're not well known and are mostly just for fucking with outsiders.


>not mentioning european animism

i just can't even.

Admiral 41866214

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Fugg, I remember getting a book on Washington ghost towns as a gift and I didn't even read it once.

I remember you talking about those witches.

>we have a few based on native american myth too, but they're not well known and are mostly just for fucking with outsiders.

These are the best, though.

Eh. European animism is buried pretty deep. I don't know how many of the wild places survive. That continent has gone a complete geographical transformation post-christianization, and it isn't close enough to the surface to feel like you're actively living in an animist graveyard like in Washington, where everything is clearly still alive to the people who believe. I've been in some western European forests and they're nice and all, but it simply isn't the same. Maybe slavic or nordic stuff would be more up my alley, but I got the impression they were more polytheist than animist.

Chewy [Element Of Fortitude]!MUSIC.FbVY 41866217


no, but that sounds pretty cool

Admiral 41866226

Also I assumed european animisim would be included in the (your culture) bit, because I can afford to when speaking to a eurocentric audience. Honestly I just assumed most euros to answer "no" anyways, and it's why I included the other questions about other cultures, for the benefit of their poor, cultureless souls born to a concrete portion of a dead land.

AustroSpike ~Element of Makeshift Moe~ 41866243

It's funny how I met Japs and weebs who actually almost bought into animistic tendencies.

Elicoor13 41866306

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there are a bunch of local lumberjack stories that i found recently about witches that feels more like a collection of group free-writes rather than traditional stories. it's charming as fuck, but i'm sure one or two of them are creepypastas(as opposed to the og creepypastas told by the lumberjacks).

>these are the best, though

yeah, but we don't have abandoned shacks that eat people or beings that have no color and hunt men for sport.

>european animism is buried deep

i see what you did there
bu-bu-but muh ancient bear cult! that being said, i feel you on europe not feeling like an "animist graveyard". the myths that survived don't lend themselves well to animism, unless you want to turn to the fey stuff. there are slav nature spirits and if you want there's a subset of vanir worship that's essentially shintoism. it's also kinda goddess worship-y, but that's what happens when your pantheon is built off of freya and company.

ah yes, because as we all know, modern europeans are bereft of culture.
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Wheat 41866311

Some light African Animist influences, yeah.

Elicoor13 41866321

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wait, shit, hoodoo in some varient forms is basically just animism. like, some american cunning man stuff is just hoodoo but with fey spirits instead.

also vudu, vudun, and voodoo are basically animism if you look at it from a certain angle. vudun and vudu moreso than voodoo, if for no other reason than the christian influence.

Skinny!Trips0zvVM 41866323

>not being a strict fedora tipping naturalist
Also I don't really have time for this kind of stuff.

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRo 41866329

It's memeology, you dip.

Kabel Hoofajug that Licks {🐛BUG🍏} Emoji Lycan Maidens 41866334

>Post Breakfast Factory
>Post turns some supplies into Kellogg's
>Family Fare

Wheat 41866336

I don't know if Yoruba qualifies as having animistic qualities.

Admiral 41866352

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That reminds me of how much I liked Orson Scott Card's Alvin Maker books. They provided a window into this world of an animist America shot through with a native and mormon bent. I haven't read that much else about that kind of east of the Mississippi folk religion since, though.

Mediterranean and Celtic polytheistic faiths I just can't take seriously. There are good religions from that part of the world, but while animists don't give a fuck, get high and tell stories, and the monotheists/Zorastarians think real hard and take everything seriously, it feels like those pantheons are jokes that take themselves much too seriously. Just the wrong blend of agnosticism and gnosticism.

Elicoor13 41866353

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true, i thought about it more and realized i jumped the gun a bit. the vodun stuff has a ton of spirits, but a lot of it reads more polytheistic rather than animistic.

vodou would be a better fit, and even that feels like shaping the ideology to fit a narrative ala the golden bough.

>not embracing ancient culture to fight the imperialistic christians and show how our ancestors got along without capitalism

wow, it's almost as if you want the bourgeois to win.

Skinny!Trips0zvVM 41866356

>falling for a bourgeois trap
All myths, and spiritualities, stand against the enlightenment of men, it is counterrevolutionary by nature. You should pick your words more carefully next time comrade.

Wheat 41866362

I don't really know anything about vodun or voodoo or any of those.

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRo 41866378

>embracing ancient culture to fight ignorance and memes

Heavy Mole 41866397

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When I was maybe eleven or twelve I started reading Daniel Quinn's books by way of my mother, who was reading Ishmael in college. I consider his thinking to be a form a systematized animism or at least a variation on the idea. He develops the notion that Man is in no sense differentiated in the evolutionary scheme by agricultural advancements which give him a competitive advantage against other "spirit" possessing life forms in the biosphere. He argues, for instance, that it would be absurd for a jellyfish to approach a human with a creation myth that culminated in the creation of Jellyfishkind, based on its biological success.

It's been a long time since I've read those books, and I'm not sure I would square with much of what's in them (it might be interesting to go back and look). But it was one of the first "red pill" experiences I remember having, where the illusory nature of the world as given became apparent.

Interestingly Communism itself supplies its own myth of historical necessity being conceived in the Hegelian vein. Also, the notion of being part of a fully franchised community strikes me as one of the main appeals to religious converts in the industrialized world.
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AustroSpike ~Element of Makeshift Moe~ 41866406

I don't think jellyfish can fuck with humans though.

!ScyphTlOY6 41866409

Can confirm.

Heavy Mole 41866434

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Well history is written by the victor, you know.

Elicoor13 41866464

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no lie, i used to do that. i was super vocal about reclaiming pre-christian culture from white nationalists and neo-nazi groups and i even once made a ton of cringeworthy stormfront posts about how wotanism is white genocide by another name.

around about that same time i got banned for spamming porn, but this was durring the era where 4chan raided stormfront.

to be fair, there's a ton of conflicting ideology, overlap and on top of that there's all the social construction around them which makes finding actual info hard.

most of it is just hodgepodges of yoruba, ewe, fon, kongo and taíno practices, with other elements present depending on where in the diaspora you are.

honestly i don't think the celts or the hellenistic people took their myths super seriously either. look at the content for most of it and it mostly reads like a bunch of crazy stories people came up with on the spot. the fact that fairy myths not only existed in most of the celtic world, but that they had their own separate canon and separate holy days kinda points to that.

yeah, the silver john stories by manly wade wellman are in a similar vein. they're more focused on hill-folk stuff, but basically johnny cash fighting cunning men, cryptids and various folklore things is a hell of a read. there's an attention paid to how people in universe react to and believe in the supernatural that almost reminds me of some of the alvin maker stuff. silver john is also a pulp hero, so don't expect direct comparisons, but it's as close a work as any to what you're describing.

>implying you can't just edit history so that the ancient beliefs support revolutionary action

it's like you don't remember communism in action comrade.

!ScyphTlOY6 41866467

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So where does that leave me?

Skinny!Trips0zvVM 41866469

>if I just pretend the bourgeois is in favor of the revolution, they are in favor of the revolution
Tread carefully comrade, you are on t h i n i c e.

Heavy Mole 41866470

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Well... No better than a jellyfish, I suppose, seen in the light of the communion of the biosphere. Personally though I think you're a stand-up guy.

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 41866473

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What exactly is the distinction between animism and polytheism?

!ScyphTlOY6 41866477

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For you.
But I...I mean...Jellyfish can't stand up! That doesn't even make any sense, man!

Snowbell!MbICrazyYs 41866481

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Animism believes everything has a spirit which one might commune with. While it doesn't preclude the presence of gods, it doesn't require it and it often blurs the line quite a bit.
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Elicoor13 41866487

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i was talking about using historical revisionism to edit the past and create an ideology that furthers the revolutionary ideal while keeping the religious in check tho?

i'm honestly amazed the soviets didn't try that shit with slavic myths, but when hitler was doing the same shit a few countries away i get why they didn't. they just spun the revolution as being lowkey mythic instead, which i'm honestly not sure if that worked out all that well. seriously, for a totalitarian regime, they were dumb to not at least try to have a religious wing to keep the populace happy.

as far as i can tell, the difference is that pantheism is more about the godhead/divine being present in all things and animism is more about the spirits of all things.

also pantheism is harder to point out in ancient culture because those kinds of cultures' myths are hard to find/incorporated into things like confucianism.

Wheat 41866493

I think it is too easy to fixate on the mythology and miss out on the theology. I know our flavor of Abakwa is much more meditative with a focus on personal spiritual development.

Snowbell!MbICrazyYs 41866507

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Hitler actually despised all the pagan bullshit the SS was getting up to. The future he envisioned was one of science and technology with no room for superstition. When he was presented the painting The Standard Bearer(pic related) he said something to the effect of: "This is the kind of ridiculous appeal to history that caused us to lose the great war!"

I'm paraphrasing of course because I'm too lazy to dig up the book with the actual quote but he wasn't a man to tolerate nonsense like that. Chances are he would have had the SS purged much the same as the SA had the opportunity arrived.
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unlikeable pony 41866555

I thought hitler routinely visited fortune tellers and shit like that before the war though?

Skeksis (Graham) 41866703

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never was too big on animism, but you could probably say that in some way I am in that I've been steeped in psychedelia that ascribes and describes the psychadelic mushroom, mescal, and ayahuasca / DMT as having a sort of animistic existence; that there is a kind of unfamiliar but natural and old, coexisting entity of some sort that can be better communicated to/from/with while under the influence of said substances

While I don't know how accurate that is, I can say its quite a powerful tool to use to approach psychedelics and psychedelia with.

Buddhism, perhaps one of the more relevant remains of animism today, would probably be as foreign in the west as islam is recently without psychedelics helping to provide thrust to push it there.

Snowbell!MbICrazyYs 41866707

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Nah, that was Churchill.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM 41866725

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My favorite Animism is Subterranean.

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