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Jan 15: Staff Update, and Rules Update

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The internet Tarra.exe !3NiGhtwiNg 41714859


Do you feel like a lot of people come to the internet and expect too much out of other people sometimes?

I feel like with some group chats, forums and so on, people expect you to be a certain way, like you're not allowed to have your own personality. That if you think differently it's wrong, it's horrible. That if you're not a sheep it's completely terrible.

I remember when Undertale was becoming a thing and everyone was raving over it and I saw it as cancer. People got mad at me for it too. I told them you will see in time...

What do you guys think?
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Thauma!TURTLEsW8. 41714869

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We don't expect too much, we just interact with people we don't know on a level we wouldn't do so in person, so conversation much more easily goes to topics of who should act how, or who should be doing what with their lives and so on, as if we know anything about them. We pretend to be acquainted with strangers.

Jigs!SATSUkIQg2 41714885

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Face the adversity and refine it into rage. Instead of letting fear control you, let hatred drive you. Whatever they say, do the opposite and rub it in their faces as boisterously as possible.


>>41714869
So you're saying friends try to control friends? I'd hate to be friends with you if that's the case.

Thauma!TURTLEsW8. 41714886

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>>41714885
I mean when we talk with random people on the internet. Either someone you just started to chat with, or even worse, people on facebook/youtube/somesocialmedia comments.
But yeah we do assert what we think is right onto them all the more if we don't know the other person much, so there is no way we can know there's a justification for their difference in preference or act. So we just assume they're wrong and they must be corrected.

These are the most blanket statements I've made in a long time

Toothless 41714888

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I mean sort of. The internet is a big place. There are lots of places with varying communities both large and small. It's very easy to get lost in the sort of internet hot spots and think "this is what the internet is all about" without ever getting to see the smaller communities that have their own unique way of going about things. It's easier to fit your personality to a mold that fits the larger communities than it is for people to take their time and find the right community that is more your style.

Jigs!SATSUkIQg2 41714891

>>41714886
>there is no way we can know there's a justification for their difference in preference or act. So we just assume they're wrong and they must be coreected.
Should, should, should, so many shoulds. Spooks, all spooks.

There can be no one standard for how all people should act. That would require an understanding of all the intricacies of all humanity in the mind of whoever established these standards.
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Thauma!TURTLEsW8. 41714896

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>>41714891
I don't recall saying should.

>There can be no one standard for how all people should act.

That's kind of what I'm sayiiiiiiiing. But if you know somebody, you know that person's standards by which they act. If you don't know a person enough, then you'll shit on them without giving them a chance.
Example: Not knowing the age of a person on a youtube comment chain, expecting them to talk to you as intelligently as you do, while they are only 11 years old and you are I dunno, 20-something.
Thus, you expect too much or too differently of people on the internet because you don't know them enough but the internet lets you interact with them while in real life you wouldn't utter one word to this person.

Tarra.exe !3NiGhtwiNg 41714897

>>41714869
I think where these "expectations" come infrome is thinking that people all act the same and thinking that they will act just like you if not just a tiny bit different. When in reality we all know people have personalities, different quirks but then people get so annoyed and don't even want to try to make that person a friend that they blow them off.

>>41714885
I'm not that kind of person. I don't like making people mad at me.

>>41714888
You goto a community say like a family friendly table top store (like I do), well you can talk to the adults anyway you want, but then you get around children you have to COMPLETELY change your attitude to sunshines and puppies! And a lot of people on the internet, I feel act like that's what has happened over the course of many years because some people were sheltered and told opposite.

I had an example but I forgot it.

Thauma!TURTLEsW8. 41714902

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>>41714897
We do know people are different, but normally we KNOW people. If you know a person, you start to know what makes them act differently and you go "Oh, it's understandable why they'd think differently because they are [yadayada]." That reasoning makes the difference understandable.
But if you're talking with somebody you don't even know, how can you say that? There's nothing you have to tell you where their difference comes from. Without knowing that, juding people harshly becomes easier because you aren't talking to the person as a whole anymore, but rather just as this difference in act they presented to you that you don't agree with. You're talking against the idea, the argument, Not the person.
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Tarra.exe !3NiGhtwiNg 41714906

>>41714902
a lot of what bothers me are people who use "first impressions mean everything"

yeah, well we are in 2017, a time where nerds are trying to get out of their shells and it's one of the hardest things for them in the first place. And when they do, they go full sperge.

do you get what I'm sayin?

Toothless 41714911

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>>41714897
>You goto a community say like a family friendly table top store (like I do), well you can talk to the adults anyway you want, but then you get around children you have to COMPLETELY change your attitude to sunshines and puppies! And a lot of people on the internet, I feel act like that's what has happened over the course of many years because some people were sheltered and told opposite.
I think it's less sunshine and puppies because people don't want to bad and rude, and more that people tend to go to places where everyone around them will agree with what they say because the internet is a large enough place for that to happen. If someone thinks something is good they will go to a place where everyone else thinks that. If they don't like something they will avoiding going to places where people like that thing. So communities are often built on the idea that everything is a-okay and great because that just happens to be the people that show up and stick around.

Not sure if this is the sort of thing you are talking about or if you mean something else.
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Jigs!SATSUkIQg2 41714916

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>>41714896
Expectation in the first place is the problem. One should go in prepared to deal with anyone or anything, and knowing full well that there are things out there one cannot prepare himself for.

>>41714911
Ftr, this is why I give zero weight to community consensuses of what tastes are "objectively superior" and the like.
It's also why I try to avoid discussing what I do like (unless I'm trying to force it on others to be a histrionic douche), because I'm unlikely to find a high ratio of agreeable responses no matter where I posit my opinion or how I phrase it.
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Tarra.exe !3NiGhtwiNg 41714922

>>41714911
I got what you meant, but my biggest concern are people who are sheeple especially.

A lot of people who are in this chan ,who could be lurking would either laugh at this or agree that not a whole lot like me cause of things I've said in the past and never thought for a second,"Wait a minute, he has a different thought than I do. That doesn't make him bad, he's just different"

Which a lot of times I see a "like minded" gathering VS like minded individuals.

What do I mean by this?

well, the gathering of sorts is more about a "hugbox" where if you say the wrong thing, everyone will get mad.

Where the "like minded" comes in is similar to the "hugbox" but instead, they are allowed to believe what they want, they might be questioned at best but that's about it.

Toothless 41714945

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>>41714916
>Expectation in the first place is the problem. One should go in prepared to deal with anyone or anything, and knowing full well that there are things out there one cannot prepare himself for.
I disagree with that. Well I agree that there are things you cannot prepare yourselves for and should have some sort way of dealing with things you don't expect, but having some sort of semblance of what you can know about a person is good as it means you aren't relearning about people all over again. Like if I hop into a website where people are talking about X, I should expect the conversations to be about X. If the website is primarily in English, then I should expect people to be using English.

It's when people extrapolate behavior to stereo-types that and label someone as something without giving a chance to prove otherwise that expectations of a person become a problem.

>Ftr, this is why I give zero weight to community consensuses of what tastes are "objectively superior" and the like.

Community consensus is something that means jack shit to anyone else as a member of the community UNLESS they are producing content for that community. Like if I'm an artist as a member of the Sonic community and everyone loves Shadow the Hedgehog, then I'll try and produce a shirt with Shadow the Hedgehog on it as means getting people to see my art.

>>41714922
I'm still not sure what exactly you are asking about this? Are you just making a statement and asking for confirmation that people have had similar sort of experiences with these "hug box" communities?
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Thauma!TURTLEsW8. 41715006

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>>41714906
It doesn't mean everything, but it means heck of a whole lot.
I get what you're saying yeah. But nerds aren't nearly the only group affected by this phenomenon. You just happen to be in that group so you witness it.

>>41714916
I suppose.

AustroSpike ~Element of Makeshift Moe~ 41715056

I don't really feel it. Sure, some sites or communities tend to form echo chambers, but I don't feel it's a general trend.
Having no expectations, being cool, and being ready for surprises is the way to go anyway.

Out of curiosity, how long you been invested with the internet?

Reaver 41715149

Yeah, a bit of a ´eenheidsworst´ is certainly something that's hard to miss, the less people know the less nonconformism they can seem to tolerate, especially among those untolerated elsewhere in real life.
(literally translated 'eenheidsworst' means 'unity sausage')

But that's half of the fun of the internet: Poking at that discrepancy between not fitting in irl and whining about that, and then them whining on others not fitting in with them.
It's stuff like that that redeems trolling as something positive.

Chewy [Element Of Fortitude]!MUSIC.FbVY 41715185

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The irony of the hate Undertale gets is that most of the hate is derived from its awful fan base, yet the entire game is intended to be a satire of/commentary on fan bases like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-0sjkDnkc
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Toothless 41715220

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>>41715185
Undertale is one of those things that I feel is completely blown of proportion on both sides. I find the game boring and dull, but I have no real reason to hate it. But every time I get lumped onto one side or the other for not having a strong opinion one way or the other. I'm apparently an asshole who doesn't have good taste and is why people can't have nice things because I don't like the game. But because I don't hate it, I'm an asshole who can't tell when something is clearly awful and am why bad things can happen.

Amy_of_Shadows!LAINj6mQVk 41715221

>>41714885
slow down there satan

Amy_of_Shadows!LAINj6mQVk 41715226

>>41715220
I didn't know you posted on this chan!

Toothless 41715228

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>>41715226
Do I know you? Or am I being confused with someone else again? Cause that seems to happen a lot.

Chewy [Element Of Fortitude]!MUSIC.FbVY 41715230

>>41715220

It's fine to not like it, you should just be able to explain why.

"Boring and dull" isn't a really good explanation, it can kinda be applied to anything. It's a very subjective criticism and doesn't do a good job of expressing what exactly about the game makes you not like it.

I love it because I feel like the vibrant and colorful retro graphics combined with the interesting designs for characters and monsters you fight, as well as the witty and warmhearted humor/general writing combine for a really amusing and charming experience--but on top of that, the game can deliver some pretty intense feels depending on the choices you make.

One of the criticisms I have seen of the actual game is that the moral choices you make aren't as innovative as people make them out to be, which may be true, but I don't think that makes them any less interesting/exciting to make. The game also goes a long way to acknowledge the things you've done on multiple playthroughs which feels nice. It gives the game a lot of replay value despite being barely five hours long on an average playthrough.

Undertale is in my top 3 for this decade (the other two being GTA V and The Witcher 3).

Amy_of_Shadows!LAINj6mQVk 41715231

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>>41715228
Are you the same toothless that posts on moonychan's HAY?
Perhaps you would recognize me like this

Amy_of_Shadows!LAINj6mQVk 41715239

>>41715230
Undertale is a story/rpg game, not a mechanics game like COD multiplayer or something. they are entirely different metrics so of course someone judging undertale from a mechanics POV is going to be unimpressed.
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Toothless Alligator 41715245

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>>41715230
>"Boring and dull" isn't a really good explanation, it can kinda be applied to anything. It's a very subjective criticism and doesn't do a good job of expressing what exactly about the game makes you not like it.
Well it's the whole of my explanation. I haven't felt the urge to go back and play the game after the hour I played of it. I played the game purely for the fact that so many people recommended it to me and said I should give it a shot, so I gave it a try and I got bored playing it.

>>41715231
Seeing as I have no idea what most of this means, I'm gonna say I'm not who you think I am. That or my memory is going really fast and I'm forgetting things that sound like they should be things I remember. Maybe using the full of my initial name will clarify things.

Amy_of_Shadows!LAINj6mQVk 41715254

>>41715245
Yes that full name does clarify things. There is a poster on moonychan who goes by Toothless and avatars as "Toothless" the dragon from HTTYD.

41715350

>>41714859
You're just a faggot

Jigs!SATSUkIQg2 41715352

People hate Underboob because it's colorful and fun, and fun is considered a liberal mental disorder that's blamed for the erosion of muh Western society.

Mac !RevGiOKgRo 41715363

>>41714859
It's called collective identity, and it's how most of humanity works.

Jigs!SATSUkIQg2 41715451

>>41715363
It's also objectively wrong and toxic and coercive and it needs to die immediately.

Mythix!qZFKl2dobU 41715462

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>I feel like with some group chats, forums and so on, people expect you to be a certain way, like you're not allowed to have your own personality. That if you think differently it's wrong, it's horrible. That if you're not a sheep it's completely terrible.

Thats how it is sadly. I remember people giving me shit for the music I listen too.

Mac !RevGiOKgRo 41715466

>>41715451
It is, but then the question comes up: "How do you save humanity?"

Chewy [Element Of Fortitude]!MUSIC.FbVY 41715473

>>41715462

>I remember people giving me shit for the music I listen too.


my brother bullies me for my music taste all the time. and when I say bully I really just mean light-hearted fucking around, but it still gets annoying when he takes it really far.

he loves to go on about how Captain Beefheart "sounds like a dying animal and is a worse singer than Justin Bieber" and how Swans is "just the same note over and over with retarded wailing" and he constantly uses sales/popularity as a way of "proving" that the stuff he likes is better than what I like which drives me fucking crazy...and of course the classic "you only dislike it because it's popular!!" (even though there are tons of super-popular artists I love and he knows that)

Mythix!qZFKl2dobU 41715476

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>>41715473
Tell your brother to piss off.

Thauma!TURTLEsW8. 41715489

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Wait. Why is Undertale cancer? I don't think Undertale is cancer.

Thauma!TURTLEsW8. 41715492

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>>41715466
Simple. You kill all the humans so they stop being a collective.

Mac !RevGiOKgRo 41715496

>>41715492
Not without replacing them with GMO'd versions who will use robot bodies and listen to me personally.

Thauma!TURTLEsW8. 41715498

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>>41715496
Then you will be the collective, and you will have to be killed!

Mac !RevGiOKgRo 41715500

>>41715498
It's not a collective when I do it.

Thauma!TURTLEsW8. 41715502

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Mac !RevGiOKgRo 41715505

>>41715502
Everyone gets a number, isn't that unique?
Failing that, we'll all be nameless and unaccountable.

Thauma!TURTLEsW8. 41715507

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>>41715505
Don't you see that this is the ultimate collective? We should strive to be DIFFERENT, not connect and unite by force.

Mac !RevGiOKgRo 41715513

>>41715507
If nobody can tell what anybody else does, nobody will attempt to be the same.
Clearly this will stop dumb standards. Yes.

Tarra.exe !3NiGhtwiNg 41715520



>>41715056
think back to highschool and cliques

>>41715220
from what i heard, the biggest reason people like Undertale is because of goatmom mostly

>>41715350
ur a faggot

>>41715352
LOL

41715587

>>41715489
Check out that new game LISA

Toothless Alligator 41715590

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>>41715520
>from what i heard, the biggest reason people like Undertale is because of goatmom mostly
Oh yeah she was a thing, was I supposed to like her or something? She kind of just got in the way for the most part and had lots of boring dialogue.

Thauma!TURTLEsW8. 41715591

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>>41715587
Didn't even play Pony Island yet, the heck is LISA

41715593

>>41715591
It's like Undertale and The Walking Dead s1, but also really original and that analogy doesn't really do it justice

Thauma!TURTLEsW8. 41715597

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>>41715593
Oh are you ACTUALLY suggesting it? I can't tell...

Chewy [Element Of Fortitude]!MUSIC.FbVY 41715641

>>41715587
>>41715591
>>41715593
>>41715597

I've heard good things about LISA, but I'm not sure I want to dive into another feelsy game I've never played right now.

>>41715520

>the biggest reason people like Undertale is because of goatmom mostly


unless the only place you read about Undertale was on /v/ or porn forums or something I'm not sure why you would think that, you can do a simple google or youtube search to find countless reviews explaining why people love the game.

>>41715590

people generally like her for two reasons:

1. Because she is a very kind, motherly character.

2. Because they are furries and think she is sexy.

or both

Toothless Alligator 41715674

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>>41715641
>1. Because she is a very kind, motherly character.
I was honestly getting a feeling of that I was being kidnapped. Maybe it's because I saw the flower thing and assumed the goat was going to do the same thing to me and trick me by playing nice. Except this one was in it for the long con.

41715779

>>41715597
Yeah it's fun

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 41715844

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I think that people are used to being in their little bubble of other people who agree with them, and the Internets not that.

Tarra.exe !3NiGhtwiNg 41715913

>>41715590
>>41715641
I wanna say that the biggest reason for Undertale being so popular was because of it's 8bit feel to a lot of people

2. TBH I've never looked into it at all.

She's an anthro goat
Everyone wants to fuck Toriel

>>41715844
THANK YOU

Toothless Alligator 41715958

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>>41715913
>I wanna say that the biggest reason for Undertale being so popular was because of it's 8bit feel to a lot of people
Are you talking about sprite work in general or specifically 8-bit? Cause I never got an 8-bit feel from the game at all. Felt way too polished for that.

>>41715844
I thought the internet was the place people went to when everyone disagreed with them so they go online to find people who agree with them?

Tarra.exe !3NiGhtwiNg 41715960

>>41715958
i think it was the whole "nostalgia" deal

Urda 41715961

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>>41714859
Of Mice and Men.

People can discuss stuff there,they are not free to discuss in real life.

Tarra.exe !3NiGhtwiNg 41715962

>>41715961
what does Of Mice and Men have to do with this?

Urda 41715967

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>>41715962
You mentioned feeling like a sheep,some people feel like a bunch of mice on the Net.

It is a big compromising virtual world out there.

Tarra.exe !3NiGhtwiNg 41715969

>>41715967
OH ok. I didn't think about that. Been forever since I read that book

Anonymous 41716080

>I remember when Undertale was becoming a thing and everyone was raving over it and I saw it as cancer. People got mad at me for it too. I told them you will see in time...

I mean, you're right, but don't expect anybody to thank you for pissing in their cornflakes.

Tarra.exe !3NiGhtwiNg 41716104

>>41716080
>The like the taste of piss

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 41716369

>>41715958
Well you can do that too, if you're so disagreeable that no one you know will agree with you then... the internet is a big place.


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