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Jan 15: Staff Update, and Rules Update

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Dumping sketches as I learn Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1521[Last 50 Posts]

Hello! I'm going to be dumping sketches I'm not horrified at the sight of here as a quick way to link people to them while also having a place to check out my past work to contrast for progress.
If you stumble upon these horrors I encourage you to give some constructive critism . Help eliminate girrafe Flutterdash's one tip at a time


Good luck, have fun!

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1523

File: 1453919849702.jpg (2.25 MB, 2448x3264, 20160127_093456.jpg)

I realized since there's already a date applied to the post containing the image there's no need to write the date on paper.
I like the way the hair turned out on this one. My first decent attempt at a pose that isnt standing stiff

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1524

File: 1453921156236.jpg (2.35 MB, 2448x3264, 20160127_095605.jpg)

Tired pone front view.
At least it's a a stiff pose from a different angle

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1525

File: 1453926134328.jpg (2.34 MB, 2448x3264, 20160127_112041.jpg)

Added onto this for some expression practice. Poor filly!

Anonymous 1526

Maybe you should consider resizing your pictures before posting them.

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1527

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Attempt at more poses

So far I've just been taking photos from my phone and uploading them. I'll try taking the photos at the lowest size from the camera app and see if that'l help

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1529

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Noting that I approve of this hairstyle


Something that might help is having an image from the show open on your phone or computer, so you can look at the proportions while you're drawing. it may also help with leg placement and shape.

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1535

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I took this:
And opened it up in PaintToolSai to play with. I had some fun checking out all the different tools and learned a ton. I think I'm going to do most of my drawing on a tablet now when I can.

I also learned I shouldn't get into coloring and shading until I get the basic proportions down to a better understanding - there's no use polishing a turd. I'll practice that stuff later

I've been periodically looking at screenshots and fanart that I thought did certain parts very right. I'm trying not to depend too much on them as I've heard too much use of them cripples the ability to draw without them

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1536

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Here's me trying changing the resolution in the drawing program to make it easier to look at expanded

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1537

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That one was 50% resolution from the original. I think it's still a bit big.
Here's 25%. I hope this doesn't make it look blurry or something since I didn't draw on the smaller scale

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1538

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I... I think it looks nicer flipped

Mortimer!HoovesQ0nA 1539

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That's looks like a good size for posting.
You could also try cropping out the empty space.
With SAI you just need to select the part of the picture you want and then go to
>Canvas>Crop by Selection

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1541

File: 1454020760802.png (72.75 KB, 684x657, Cropped pone.png)

More playing around with Sai lineart tools, selection tools, layers, colors and shading. This time on a smaller resolution canvas

Ah, thanks for the tip!
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Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1550

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Another go at the same stuff. This is after a few hours more of practice on sketches. I really failed at the bun hair I think
*Writing some observations on the mistakes I'm noticing before I forget:
The ears too long; doesn't have the right bends.
Legs too long.
Colors too saturated? The magenta lineart definitely went better in my head.
I should try being more aggressive with the shading in the future.
Add some different poses for fucks sake.
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Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1555

File: 1454353222903.png (392.86 KB, 1174x2023, plain dash shading.png)

Something a little more colorful with some emphasis on shading.
I've cut my focus down to just the head with no hair since I realized my proportions were still struggling. Drawing a hundred heads with ears, eyes, snout and neck is much easier than trying full body pones and having less time to focus on why they aren't looking proper.

*I also want to add that this is the point where I stopped writing with my wrist resting on the tablet and finally cracked down on making sure I draw with my arm. It makes drawing large much easier and strokes more smooth. I found the importance of having the lineart be in as little swipes as possible. Although I still ended up going over them in this piece with the linework tool in SAI since I couldn't figure out a way to use the magic wand tool with the stabalized brush method without the selection area getting all fuzzy on the outer perimeters. I'll have to do a little more research on methods in the program to quit relying on the linework tool in SAI to bend the lines - it makes the art lose a bit of its style and just makes it feel less organic
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Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1558

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No lineart tool helper this time and I added a load of hair. I learned a few tricks to get selection saturation where I want it, though it'l definitely take some time to get it down comfortably. I'm still flip flopping around on the eyes and always feel awkward placing hair. Guess I got more heads to draw

*I've got to remind myself to stop getting carried away coloring and shading a sketch after the lineart. The time I spend correcting the little errors is pointless when I can't draw the large picture appropriately. Less color and shade, more sketch and assessment
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Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1563

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Udate here. I've been sketching loads of circles and eyes/ears/snouts on ponies instead of full heads / bodies the past day or so, but I felt I should still list that here.
I wonder if it'd be a good idea to post my sketches of those with some notes on what I was doing wrong and what I was doing right.
It feels like the more I learn about drawing the more I learn I should take a step back and start from the true basics.

*note to self, don't post transparent images with no color to fill in the lineart
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Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1564

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Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1571

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I did these sketches on paper since I'vr gotten some advice that I shouldn't stick to one drawing medium. I found drawing on paper more comfortable, but the lack of tools that I get with SAI is also something I've learned to notice. I might end up tossing these in the program and see what I can come up with.
I really feel like the practice is showing, especially after browsing through my first few pages of pones. Exciting!
My new goal is solely drawing pones in dynamic poses. No more stiff general pose

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1574

File: 1454704490718.jpg (546.29 KB, 2048x1152, 20160205_113219.jpg)

Rest of the sketches I did last night. Posting it so I can see what I can do with them on SAI

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1575

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I touched this sketch up in SAI twice - once with the lineart done myself with a brush, and the other with SAI's lineart tools (curve and edit tools).
I need to remember to use a high opacity brush option or something. When it came to coloring my lineart without tools, there were lots of grey area's from when I wasn't applying much pressure that lingered after the color filling.

>Here's lineart with no tools besides stabilizer

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1576

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>Here's with SAI's curve, edit and pressure tools
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Mortimer!HoovesQ0nA 1577

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You seem to be doing really well with SAI, just be careful with proportions, MLP ponies have really big eyes, but those seem a little excessive.

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1751

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I couldn't help but finish another sketch and color/shade it...

I've been drawing loads of circles and I'm trying to move onto drawing loads of dynamic pony poses. My understanding of proportions at angles is too weak to go freestyle, so I've taken screencaps from an episode in the show and I'll be using those as reference to try and get a better understanding of what things should look like behind/up/leftish/rightsih ect. I've posted the caps in a thread for anyone else looking to try the same:

Oh yeah, true that with the big eyes. I'll try to keep an eye on them. I appreciate the tips!

Mortimer!HoovesQ0nA 1752

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You can hit me up on steam if you want feedback or tips. I can help you with SAI, it's the same program I use.


Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1757

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Fixed the size and location of the eye but didn't bother trying to fix up the giraffe neck

Aye, sent the request

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1758

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Someone needs to keep watch on me and slap me every time I get too invested in a drawing.

I went full out on this one - it took me damn near 4 hours from start to finish. I knew I wanted to give it some extra care when I saw how the line art turned out, but didn't expect to spend half the night on it... I learned so much about adding detail, shades, highlights, hair threads ect. It was a ton of fun, and this is the fist piece I'm proud enough of to mark my name on.

I used this image as a reference (mildly nsfw):

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1759

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How in the hell did I just now notice that error in her eye near the lashes.

*The neck looks too thin here. the side towards the snout should scoot a bit further and straighten out sooner
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Mortimer!HoovesQ0nA 1761

>How in the hell did I just now notice that error
Welcome to the world of posting art. lol.

Try not to post stuff as soon as you "finish it" take a little break and look at it again before posting.

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1762

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I swear I thought I did multiple times. I spotted some other minor mistakes and went back and fixed them before posting and still somehow missed it. I blame being up all night.

*The 2 furthest points of the oval representing the positioning of the horn on the head is not perpindicular to the direction of the horn.
*The neck looks off. The side towards the ear should wrap closer to the edge of the head and more subtly
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i have to say your ears look good in close ups

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1773

File: 1455084087657.png (713.88 KB, 2125x1751, Prettypone.png)

I've been practicing this 'bean' method of helping sketching dynamic figures - and I've also been drawing loads of squares and cylinders from all angles since If I learn to draw those with ease, I can piece them together with the bean method to start drawing any mammal from all angles comfortably, or so I hear.
Not much of anything worth posting besides this, but even then it's the same old boring pose. I'm still glad I did it. I've sped up from taking 4 hours to apply all the steps in the art to around 1 hour.

*I want to add I've done some studying and learned to use the same value in my colors. I definitely noticed it making a difference in the aesthetics.
*Also want to note things I see that could be improved:
The highlights just don't look right to me. I should play around with a dozen or so finished eyes and see what I like and what I don't.
The neck looks a little chubby. It could stand using an inch shaved off the side facing the snout.
The hair at this angle I feel looks too 2D still, even with the shading. I feel like it might be something I'm missing when shaping the hair, but it could be because it's a straight side-shot of the pone. I'll have to keep that in mind when drawing front facing pones.(I see it now!. It's that there's no spiky clumps in the hair. The lines I put in indicate thicker strands but no outer or inner placings of them, so they're stuck in 2D)
*Try to step away from heads now. Full pones are much better

Thanks. It usually takes me a dozen or two re-tries to get them the way I want it
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Broodmare!BLaZerPcEw 1774

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I dun butchered it
I didnt wanna clutter too much in the pic so I'll also explain some stuff in text.

Pony hair has kind of a system of two parts. The front part usually parts whichever direction is away from the face, while the back part does the opposite and parts toward the viewer so it covers the neck. The front and back are usually separated somewhere obscured by the ears.

I think I already told you about the eyes, make a circle for the whole eye, the eyelid will be part of that circle whatever the expression or angle.

Your ears look great

I like connecting muzzles pretty perpendicular to the face. Muzzle style is up to you, they have some pretty tiny ones in the show though.

the back neck is good, the front of the neck should kind of go the opposite way though, it starts wide as it comes up from the body, then curves inward to taper towards the head.

If you're wondering about highlights in the eyes, ignore what's inside the eye like the pupil and cornea, I usually erase out an oblong oval that cuts through part of the pupil, the cornea, and connects with the white of the eye.

I wouldn't worry much about shading right now, ponies are very cartoony in the typical style. At most I would say shade with one solid value of shadow, and with no soft edges. Actually that makes me think of something to consider in your approach, ponies like you're drawing are very simplified cartoons, which is fine if you want to learn to draw this style, but you seem to want to learn the whole shebang of drawing and realism. Like, the bean method you posted is a concept for drawing real people, something you would use in a gesture pose meant to capture the accurate flow and curvature of the model, then you would spend time drawing in the complicated proportions of human anatomy.

If you want to learn shading I would recommend drawing some still life images, and if you want to learn anatomy I'd recommend learning some kind of real anatomy, could be real horses if you want. Things like birds are fun too, especially wings, if you want to get good at those.

Broodmare!BLaZerPcEw 1775

Made me wanna post this cool animation that kind of shows off the world of gesture drawings

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1780

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I've been going more to the basics of drawing cubes in perspective and cross-hatcing and more circles on the tablet to help my hand-eye coordination. I've been getting increasingly frustrated and inpatient with my drawing and feeling like I'm hitting a brick wall where I can't get my strokes where I want them. It almost feels like I'm drawing with my left hand. Besides the practice in arm movement and half-assed sketches I haven't been doing much more. I've been watching loads of drawing stuff on Youtube like painting legends and things. I especially loved this video and want to get this guys method to drawing down:

Ah I see what you mean by the separation in the hair from back to front. I've always had trouble giving the hair the appearance that it's separating and diverging away from the middle of the head.

The main issue I got with the muzzle is having it appropriately placed alongside the eyes. In my sketches I always get the feeling the muzzle isn't aligning properly with where the eyes are but having the only guideline I know being 'place the muzzle perpindicular to the face at around the halfway mark on the circle' it doesn't save me much.

For the circle eyes, I never see complete circles as the eyes. There's always a sharper angle where the tear duct is placed on the screnshots I'm looking at.
You're right about the shading stuff. I've been stepping away from that and just been sketching ponies on paper / some tablet stuff.
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Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1844

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I've slowed down a bit from practicing but I've still been at it daily.
I finally feel comfortable applying bean and shapes to construct a pone, and I got to say it makes them feel more 'alive' when I draw them this way rather than the circle method. I'm glad I went through the effort of taking it slow and going back and ensuring I know some fundamentals of angles before tackling it further.
I'm going to continue sketching poses like the stuff on the right until I can do it in my sleep


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Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1855

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First try at using pen for traditional lineart. I love the darker tone. I might try this more often since lineart is a pretty nice skill to practice

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1856

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More pen practice. Went quicker on these and messed up a bit more


Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1858

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I really like the way this one turned out. I spent a lot of focus on shaping the hair during the sketch, and I got ballsy and emphasized some shading with the pen after I got the main lineart done. I had a lot of issues getting the eyes equally proportioned and I think they're a tad large. Ah well, more cute

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1859

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Cropped version
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Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1860

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I felt like practicing on my tablet and decided I'd throw the last pen drawing I did and drowsily touch it up


I've never been to good at giving critiques, so I hope this helps. Your eyes seem to be too close together, as the bridge of the nose should probably be wider.
In this one, it may be a good idea to start the mouth a little higher and move from a flat line to a curve up or down.

I hope this was helpful in some capacity.

Mortimer!HoovesQ0nA 1869

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The recommended measurement for eye separation is roughly one eye. It doesn't have to be exact, you can do a little more or a little less to change the facial structure of your character. If you're going for something close to show style the head shape isn't exactly circular, it is a little elongated.

Also, when shading the eyes, notice that the shadows on the iris are the opposite of what they'd be on other parts, because the iris is concave. The little light reflections on the eyes should also be aligned with the light source
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i like this one

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1877

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I've been slacking off the past few days feeling lazy and apathetic. I keep getting this feeling like my arms are forgetting how to coordinate with my eyes and that I'll never be able to get the lines I want. I sat down for an hour drawing circles and sketching pony heads and finally I'm getting comfortable again. I just need to keep in the groove of drawing consistently. I'm going to hold myself to aim for an hour, but at the least 20 minutes of drawing a day

Ahh, that's what was wrong with the eyes! Thanks for pointing it out. I've been frustratingly drawing faces for a while feeling lost at why they weren't looking right.

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1878

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Did a quick pony on my tablet. I did the majority of the lineart without the stabilizer. Same boring angle but I added some expression. I like the color scheme I got here

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1879

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more quick pones

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1893

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where da updates doe

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1932

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Bleh, I stopped drawing for a few days and lost all motivation to continue learning. I've been peaking around at guides and pone draw threads and I'm back at it now. I'm also picking up a job, so maybe I'll save up some money for a nicer tablet. I've been despising the stylus I'm currently using, and I think the tip is a bit worn out.
I've been drawing loads of sketches without coloring or line-art, and I did this one a litle bit ago since I was getting a bit bored of sketch practice. I think I should allow myself more freedom to have fun with drawing to stay motivated instead of constantly having the agenda of 'practice the most efficient way for long periods of time'
More side shot... but at least I'm drawing. I forgot how fun it is when the whole thing starts coming together


Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1933

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I just realized I fucked up again and didn't crop it to a reasonable resolution

MacGay (Eddyment of Eddy)!RevGiOKgRo 1948

Does a version that isn't cut off at the left side exist?

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1972

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I've been a little distracted with getting my new job sorted (still learning stuff) but I've managed a little practice here and there. Here's the stuff I've been trying to get at after the sketching. I've decided to ditch the stabilizier after some recommendations to do so, though I still used a very minute amount during the line art here.
I can't wait to get some new drawing stuff with my next pay check

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1981

Er, no. I ran out of canvas room and decided to go with it. I see it as a reminder to keep in mind the space between what I plan on drawing



You can drag whatever you are drawing if you hold left ctrl and click+drag.

You can also go to Canvas>Change Size and adjust it.

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1992

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Finally back in the loop of putting time into practice.
Here's some of the practice I've been doing. I'm starting to feel a bit more comfortable drawing different angles of the head. I want to spend some more time getting heads down and move on to drawing bodies with legs in the same method, then applying both of them together and spicing them up with gestures and loads of different styles for hair/accessories/coloring.

I believe I have the basics down now. I'm still having issues making the hair wrap around the head properly, and coming up with different styles for it rather than the bland long flowy-slightly spiky one. I also need some work on making the eyes appear more 3-dimensional in the same way I should be making the hair wrap around the head better. I'm noticing a constant issue with making things 'pop' out at the viewer

Oooh, thank you for that tip! the ctrl-dragging is definitely much more convenient than messing around with changing the canvas size. I probably wouldn't have been too lazy to use that command if I'd known

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1997

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Alrigh, so I've got a plan to ensure I don't fall into the pit of 'not drawing and slowly lose motivation as the days go on'.
A friend showed me a video with some great drawing practice methods that I will use as a minimum for what I must do each day and prove so by posting .
I kind of don't want to flood this thread with pages of scribbles, so I've created a new thread for it.


Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 1998

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Quick 20 minutes of sketching before work

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 2023

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Spent longer then I should have on this.I had fun though

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 2026

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I forgot how fun coloring and shading a pone can be. I got carried away but I'm not going to whip myself about it. I've been doing a ton of productive practicing today - I'll allow it.

MacGay (Eddyment of Eddy)!RevGiOKgRo 2034

Mm, the color bleeding through the hair looks odd, even though in the style it is ok to have the shapes of objects be visible.

Still, nice pony.

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 2035

Noted. I appreciate the input. I was wondering about that when coloring

MacGay (Eddyment of Eddy)!RevGiOKgRo 2040

Yeah, the rule of thumb seems to be that outlines are ok, not so much color unless glowing is supposed to be happening.

Karmadose!.KaRRawRMA 2059

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Just felt like throwing an update here since it's been so long without anything.
I've gotten a little carried away practicing basic drawing methods. It's not a bad thing, though! It's greatly increased my ability to turn and see things into 3 dimensional shapes. It's giving me the ability to stop simply 'eyeballing' where ears, eyes, muzzle ect goes. I'll get back into drawing pones here soon after I comfortably get down some of these practices - like this one

Karmadose 2133

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testing new canvas size.
I finally started drawing pones again. There's definitely something wrong with the muzzle placement here

Karmadose 2135

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I'm trying to help my brain comprehend what I'm drawing as a 3d object but it's awkward. I've been drawing different colors as planes to help make connections and I think it's helping a bit. I'm not sure if I should be wrapping them around the head or have them straight though

Karmadose 2136

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Quick one I rushed before I take off. Not too proud of it

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More messing around with the cross hatching

Karmadose 2142

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I'm tired. I misclicked a few things and for some reason I liked this color scheme the selection tool gave

Karmadose!.KaRRawRMA 2147

I want to make a post about my (and countless others) probably worst struggle when it comes to learning to draw: having a prominent analytical bias. It's when you get anxiety wondering where to start or how and begin seeking out tutorials following some stupid step by step 'draw what I'm drawing' video when in reality you aren't really learning how to draw whatever it is.

The step above that crap is what I was doing for a while. I got a load of references of pony drawing tutorials and would have my eyes 50% of the time on my screen and 50% on my other with the reference carefully trying to make sure I get it to look right. I'd constantly erase and re-draw lines and end up spending an hour getting one mediocre replication that didn't look natural from the constant erasing and touching up. I did start putting the references aside and spent more time on getting heads done from memory, but because I was simply drawing what I saw, it was hard for my brain to make the connections to visualize the head in a three-dimensional way and treat it like a three-dimensional object. Yeah I was still improving and making some level of understanding, but it was slow and very unwanted. I even knew from watching a pile of tutorials and tips from artists that drawing more objects rather than trying to touch one up is ideal, but the way my head is wired up I slowed down on following that guideline and went back to wasting time trying to make one single sketch look decent.

It's kind of funny. The time I started seeing real improvement in my pones was when I was practicing loads of circles, squares in perspective, and ellipses. Learning to draw objects in perspective and doing consistent training to get comfortable with my writing tools helped me improve faster then any amount of attempts at drawing them using reference. It's because of that learning to draw what you see stuff I was mentioning earlier. They key to improving isn't in drawing a perfect eye ear hair or whatever using references and guides. Rather it's understanding the shape of what you're drawing and drawing that shape over and over from different angles until you can start recreating that object from any angle. That's when you truly know how to draw it.

I've taken a step back and I'm going to crack down on on making sure I don't spend too long on any sketch. I'm trying to think if I should set a timer or something to get the habit down so I don't start slipping back into bad ones. Speaking of bad habits, I'm going to stop trying to be careful about my strokes during sketches. I'm going back to circle practice and I'm going to make sure I don't draw each circle with one line. I want a nice loosey goosey approach when it comes to sketching. It's hard to describe, but getting messy and having lots of small stray lines around what I'm drawing helps me understand how something should look, even if the line that helped make that connection was belonging to a different part of the drawing. It's like cloud-gazing and trying to decipher what clouds look similar to objects we know of. Having entropy in the mix naturally pings your brain to start making connections or something.
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Anonymous 2152

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It's kind of funny, I just scribbled on the page and started drawing a pone 5 minutes before work and I'm more happy with this than other crap I've been working way too long on. I think I was right with going for a more smooth and messy approach

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 2158

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A few sketches I did yesterday including the one above that I tried forcing myself to linart in 10 minutes. The sketch looks so much more appealing to me.

I went over and tried to figure why certain parts were looking wrong by replacing features with red line and some small notes

Post-it 2164

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Nice observation of the parallel lines thing. You're on the right track. You really need to push back the ears though. You can probably make them a tad bigger than I do but they need to be proportioned or it will look odd and uncanny. Where you're going wrong is with the foreshortening of the muzzle. Since you're wanting to protrude the muzzle outwards your first instinct is probably to draw it going down but foreshortening doesn't work like that. Blocking it out can help. You eyes also need to be a little more elliptical. Remember that you're drawing ellipses on a sphere and they have to "wrap" around the sphere in perspective.

Proportions is really key here. Whether it's the body or head. This is a partial response to >>2147 because I feel that you're being way too hard on yourself. You've only been drawing for a few months. This all really takes time. Proportions take time. Getting good lines take time. Having intuition takes time. Tons and tons of trial and error. Literally countless hours of mistakes. Personally I'm not results driven so that allows me the freedom to experiment and not get attached to anything I do. If I can draw it once I can draw it again and it will probably look better.

Post-it 2165

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Pic related is how I specifically construct. It's changed a little since then but not by much. The general placement of features are still there. It's bound to change overtime though.

Also when I mentioned time in the previous post I'm talking months and years. I drew for almost two whole years before I had a huge breakthrough. of course I had small victories in-between because the mileage does add up. I say I improve on a month-to-month basis but it wasn't always like that. It would take me 3-4 months before I'd see any difference in my previous drawings. Even if I wasn't seeing improvement on a monthly basis I would still just keep pushing forward because I never know when I'll have that next "oh shit I get it" moment.
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Post-it 2166

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One more thing. I wanted to show this as an example that it isn't all victories. I wanted to replicate the expression on the right but in my own way. The top left sketches going to the right and bottom were the attempts. I would move along when it wasn't working out instead of erasing and trying to fix things. It's a mess but I finally got a result I was some-what happy with on the bottom right. Yeah it's stylized but that's the result I wanted. I probably could have kept going, changing the style over and over again but I think I was getting tired that night.
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KarRawr!zSlM3ck7V6 2168

I just got around to reading these during lunch l. I got no idea how to thank you for all the help you've given. I noted the main points you made on a memo app and I'll be sure to work on them. I'm beginning to see a trend in the ears being off and muzzle placement. Maybe I should do a timed practice of the ellipses, working on the ears, muzzle and eyes and rinse repeat.

Although I don't enjoy hearing the time expectation to truly get this stuff down, I appreciate the encouraging words <3
I probably would have flopped on my face plenty more if I didn't get the occasional discussion with people in the same boat

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 2169

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I've been sketching around on cardboard flaps I cut off from the boxes our meat comes shipped in with a sharpie and I found it strangely comfortable. I bought a fine tipped sharpie and a small box fold and went to town sketching around. I really love the resistance the cardboard texture and marker combo brings. I think the unforgiving nature of the permanent marker will make me lose the habit of erasing so much too. I might try this more often

Post-it 2171

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Drawing with a sharpie definitely helps with line economy. It forces you to make decisions. Fine-tipped sharpies are my favorite as well as Sakura Micron brand. I was doodling just last night with pen. I tend to stick with ballpoint pens since I can get a variety of line weights and opacity with one. I also have a variety of brush pens that can give an even bigger range of line weights.

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 2173

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I set a stopwatch on my phone and went for 10 pony heads in 10 minutes. It was actually kind of exciting. I was expecting them to look more way more potato-y. I'm still unsure how long I should give myself for each or even how many or if I should do it for one position or mix it up. I'll just play around with different types and use this as my new daily drawing practice.

I think it's because of my crap ass arrangement with my tablet, but I'm starting to prefer traditional a whole lot more. I've been saving up for a cintique and I think I might have enough near the end of this month. I've been considering switching to traditional until then since the cintique's are more similar to traditional anyways

Oh I saw this video of someone showing one of those brush pens and it looks really nice. Expensive as hell though. Oh, that page reminded me I should be practicing more squares in perspective and twisting ones. I think that'd really help my idea of where things reside

KarRawr!zSlM3ck7V6 2195

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I had some itches to play around on my tablet.
So I did a sketch of a head and tried playing around with hair, but I can't get the back to feel right with the front. It just always feels awkward. It's getting late and I'm just throwing what I got here and hopping in bed

NinjaWaffles!bL553ws8is 2200

If I may make a recommendation: Rarity has no hair on one side of her head, sort of. I think this would look fine if there was just nothing there. Remember, these are horses, not people. Hair doesn't work the same.


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havent checked in awhile but lovin what i see, keep it up my man


Post-it 2202

I made a response to your post in the /mlp/ draw thread on 4chan in case you missed it.

KarRawr!zSlM3ck7V6 2252

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Alright so I've had another lazy period and finally got a new tablet to play with. I went with an Intuos pro instead of a wallet busting cintique. It was tempting to go for, but nowhere near a reasonable purchase especially considering my recent struggles in motivation to draw

Anonymous 2299

reading this and seeing how much youve improved just throughout this thread is really giving me a lot of hope with drawing. thank you so much!! i wish you the best on your quest :O

irondreams 2403

You are improving well. It is nice to see old pals drawing.

Keep it up.

MacGay !RevGiOKgRo 2563

Still doing anything?

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 2584

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Blah, I'm alive.

I've uh, been working and being a lazy stoner hermit.
I've been considering getting back into this drawing stuff in the next month or so

MacGay !RevGiOKgRo 2588

Take your time; this is just a hobby.

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 2596

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Round 2

MacGay !RevGiOKgRo 2597

wow it looks just like atoms :p

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 2604

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Not back to an every day thing but at least I'm getting back into it

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 2617

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I'm thinking of making this a regular thing again. I've been letting my anxiety of failure have me be a prisoner and stick my head in the sand. I have to remind myself that even if I'm not sprinting, walking is just as important, if not moreso. Continuing is the key

Karmadose!zSlM3ck7V6 2619

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MacGay !RevGiOKgRo 2624

Add lines to them so as to practice 3d spheres.

Post-it 2625

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I feel you need to plan out the landmarks of the facial features a little better. A lot of liberties can be taken when drawing pony so it can be easy to get lost in it all.

I dont know if you're using Discord but feel free to add me if you'd like: Post-it#5338

Post-it 2626

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Here's a nice reference. I'm sure you've seen it before but I feel it can be used as a nice standard and I go back to it when I feel like I'm getting lost in too much stylization.

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