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Hope you didn't get the vaccine bros NOT Toiletchan (ID: a71440)Country code: transgender.png, country type: customflag, valid:   529318

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-04-sars-cov-spike-protein-lung.html

I know I said I'm taking a break off /ef/, but this is kinda important.
Thoughts?

NOT Toiletchan (ID: a71440)Country code: transgender.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529320

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I'm still searching for secondary sources that confirm this hypothesis.
Remember, this isn't fully confirmed yet. Only speculation based on very recent reports and data. The data is spooky, but don't have a panic attack yet if you had the vaccine, guys.
I'm genuinely not trying to go all anti-vax here. Just reporting what I'm reading.

NOT Toiletchan (ID: a71440)Country code: transgender.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529321

Also this is MOUSE lung tissue. Spike protein ONLY.

NOT Toiletchan (ID: a71440)Country code: transgender.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529322

Kinda glad I waited before getting the vaccine tho. I was really considering it. I'll continue to keep an eye out on these cases before I decide.

(ID: 182274)Country code: gn.gif, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529323

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no, i havent gotten it yet

Suomi Sauna !Wall.AT/L2 (ID: 8121d6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529326

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Relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27015905

Also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27015616 :
>This conclusion suggests that vaccination-generated antibody and/or exogenous antibody against [Spike] protein ... inhibits [Spike-]protein-imposed endothelial injury and ultimately decrease cardiovascular complication-associated mortality in COVID-19 patients.
This post was edited by its author on .

NOT Toiletchan (ID: a71440)Country code: transgender.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529327

>>529326
I don't trust redditor-esque websites on these issues, forgive me.
Find me primary sources next time, but yeah of course those findings are apparent otherwise the vaccine wouldn't be approved.
A lot of studies are saying it'll have such an influence, and is showing to be that way. This is a good thing. However, there's still a lot that we don't understand which is why studies like this are so important right now.
I'll continue to wait and see how it develops because there's a lot of misinformation and bad-faith spinning of information out there right now.
This may end up taking that route, but I thought it'd be important to note this case studies existence for that very reason.

Suomi Sauna !Wall.AT/L2 (ID: 8121d6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529329

>>529327
>redditor-esque website
HN is head-and-shoulders above reddit.

>Find me primary sources

The HN page links to
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.121.318902
(https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2020/12/04/2020.12.04.409144.full.pdf)
and it also links to a tweet by one of the paper's authors:
https://twitter.com/manorlaboratory/status/1388717008544419843

!Fuck/ner0E (ID: fcb9d2)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529330

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I trust the usefulness of vaccinations and I get them.
I also felt nothing getting my covid shot.
If it makes you feel any better...
I request my flu shots without thimerosal. The cdc site says you can request that.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/faqs.html

NOT Toiletchan (ID: a71440)Country code: transgender.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529331

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>>529329
Thanks. It's good to know that it also acts upon vascular tissues as well. Not good.
However, concentration as a defense makes sense but the implication of tissue interaction at all when most of the media spits "it only interacts with the immune system tee hee" is not a good look at all.

The case for concentration influence also should be looked at further toward interactions with those of more-rare cases wherein that the lower concentration would effect them due to previous medical issues, drug interaction, or genetic defect would play a part.

Same idea as aspirin is fine in low doses, but there are some people who shouldn't even be exposed to a low dose because of previous conditions or other interactions that can lead to an influence of the drug that isn't seen in all of the population.

Even then, we don't even know how concentration ramps up within the human body overtime yet as studies haven't even exceed a year of clinical trial yet. Who is to say production wouldn't increase overtime or when exposed to a certain vector?

It's shit like this that requires clinical studies to be 10 years minimum. Too many unknown variables we're still testing for. A month ago nobody would have known of this stuff, but here it is and we're already trying to justify it.

Trac­er Bulle­t (ID: 4e4842)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529332

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Ok.

NOT Toiletchan (ID: a71440)Country code: transgender.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529333

>>529330
I'm completely vaccinated up too and take my flu shot.
I'd take this covid vaccine too if we had long-term data on it. Considering a sudden pandemic though, I understand why there isn't one. Still, I don't blame people who do get it and those who don't. My reasoning is merely time relative. Until enough data is out, I'll continue to wear my mask and be on lockdown until I feel all major variables are better understood.

I like lockdown anyways. I'm about to ascribe to a primitive life in solitary anyways. I'm sure I'll get the vaccine eventually tho.

!Fuck/ner0E (ID: b51401)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529334

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>>529333
>I'm about to ascribe to a primitive life
I'd hate that. I love my modern technology. Whatever floats your boat.

A. Dragon (ID: 3718d1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529336

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I don't get things like that to begin with.
Won't as long as it isn't mandatory.
Probably still won't then.

I trust steel, not medicine.

NOT Toiletchan (ID: a71440)Country code: transgender.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529337

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>>529334
We need to go back.

Suomi Sauna !Wall.AT/L2 (ID: 8121d6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529340

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>>529332
That's a big donut...

>>529333
There's definitely a risk to the vaccine. Anyone who says that it's not risky is ignorant, retarded, or lying. The question is: Which is riskier, getting the vaccine, or getting infected with the Chinese Coronavirus? If you're at very low risk of being exposed to the virus, then you're probably better declining the vaccine until it is better studied. But if you're regularly indoors around strangers while not wearing at least a well-fitted N95 respirator, then probably the vaccine is lower risk.

NOT Toiletchan (ID: a71440)Country code: transgender.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529342

>>529340
Agreed. Rural life ftw.

Trac­er Bulle­t (ID: 57cc41)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529343

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(ID: 182274)Country code: gn.gif, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529346

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wish this virus would go away

!Fuck/ner0E (ID: ae2e51)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529347

>>529346
Yes, and getting people vaccinated who aren't hermits would assist in reducing infections.

Anonymous (ID: a71440)Country code: efchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529349

>>529346
Is that your next waifu

(ID: 182274)Country code: gn.gif, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529354

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>>529349
this is for certain a waifu i dont want

i cant say for certain

this would actually actually kill me

Snowbell (ID: 303468)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529362

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I got mine over a month ago now, my lungs are pretty shit to begin with but they haven't gotten any worse yet.

Valkyrie!ghostMcm7s (ID: a8a410)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529363

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>>529340
>probably the vaccine is lower risk.
>probably
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

<COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective.


<Millions of people in the United States have received COVID-19 vaccines, and these vaccines will undergo the most intensive safety monitoring in U.S. history.


<CDC recommends you get a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as you are eligible.

NOT Toiletchan (ID: a71440)Country code: transgender.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529364

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>>529363
>I wonder who is behind this post

Valkyrie!ghostMcm7s (ID: a8a410)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529365

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>>529364
Take a guess?

NOT Toiletchan (ID: a71440)Country code: transgender.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529366

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>>529365
>(((CDC))) recommends this post

Suomi Sauna !Wall.AT/L2 (ID: 8121d6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529367

>>529363
><COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective.
Safety is not binary. There are degrees of safety.

><Millions of people in the United States have received COVID-19 vaccines, and these vaccines will undergo the most intensive safety monitoring in U.S. history.

Notice the use of the future tense.

><CDC recommends you get a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as you are eligible.

That is entirely consistent with the part of my post that you quoted.

Look, I'm not an anti-vaxxer (I've already had my first shot and I'm getting my 2nd this Saturday), but the situation is more complex that you're realizing. People who live basically as hermits have much different risk profiles than those who live in cities.

Valkyrie!ghostMcm7s (ID: a8a410)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529368

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>>529366
I exercise caution with my authorities, but I advise getting the vaccine. If they wanted you dead, then there would be no progress.

NOT Toiletchan (ID: a71440)Country code: transgender.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529369

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>>529368
>T Valkyrie!Berg

Valkyrie!ghostMcm7s (ID: a8a410)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529370

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>>529369
Yes. I am the Valkyrie.

Anonymous (ID: a71440)Country code: goggles.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529371

>>529367
It is kind of annoying when people are weary of the covid vaccine and won't be taking it for awhile to know all the facts while still being cautious of germs have to say "I'm not anti vaccine!"
Like people are literally the worst

NOT Toiletchan (ID: a71440)Country code: transgender.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529373

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Valkyrie!ghostMcm7s (ID: a8a410)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529374

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>>529371
I like getting my blood drawn.

Suomi Sauna !Wall.AT/L2 (ID: 8121d6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529375

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>>529374
How? I absolutely hate it. Especially when it leaves a bruise.

Valkyrie!ghostMcm7s (ID: a8a410)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529377

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>>529375
Seeing my blood enter the tubes is aesthetically pleasing. The way the needle pierces the vein past the flesh is truly a sight to behold.

Anonymous (ID: a71440)Country code: goggles.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529378

>>529374
Bruh are you one of those FREAKS that likes pain

Anonymous (ID: a71440)Country code: goggles.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529379

Trac­er Bulle­t (ID: 57cc41)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529381

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I'm getting it Wednesday.

Suomi Sauna !Wall.AT/L2 (ID: 8121d6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529392

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>>529381
Remember to do arm swings afterward!

Anonymous (ID: 6885b4)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529421

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>>529318
I skimmed parts of that article when I was on lunch earlier and it sounded like it was basically just talking about cytokine storm being triggered by the spike proteins... but isn't that generally the mechanism by which fatal reactions to vaccinations occur anyway? In either case that's all I was able to glean which is sort of "no shit, sherlock" territory and nothing seemingly unique.
>>529321
Actually they were transgenic mice with human ACE2 receptors in their lungs because Ted was right.

!GoOfball.U (ID: 1c208e)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529442

lol death

Shiny Puppy (Element of Fleas) (ID: 2791a9)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529454

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Getting my second stab Thursday, day off Friday as I'll likely feel similarly like garbage like after the first one. I'm pretty content with the fact that 1/100,000 chances of a major adverse reaction to the shot than the 1/1000 chance of dying from plague.

I just want things to be less shitty and if taking 25 minutes out of my day can help that, I'm gonna do it.

Shiny Puppy (Element of Fleas) (ID: 2791a9)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529455

>>529421
I didn't read anything but yes, a cytokine storm is just fancy talk for severe allergic response. So, nothing inherently special versus anything else.

NOT Toiletchan (ID: a71440)Country code: transgender.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529456

>>529454
Bro the second one is nothing like the first.
People say it's 100x worse. Snuggle up in bed with some music and ride the wave nigga. Wonder if smoking a blunt would help.

(ID: 1d921c)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529458

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>>529456
Honestly I'm eager to do this just because that sounds like a free day off to me.

Valkyrie!ghostMcm7s (ID: 9db6b4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529459

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>>529458
I felt nothing. Sad horse hours.

(ID: 1d921c)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529463

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>>529459
That also sounds like a vacation to me.

Chappie!Ep8pui8Vw2 (ID: 1d3c27)Country code: ms-dos.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529472

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Did you know there is always a chance of a black hole suddenly appearing right by earth?
neat

Jiggle!Dick2STbYY (ID: 0702d5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529473

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>>529472
please yes

Chappie!Ep8pui8Vw2 (ID: 1d3c27)Country code: ms-dos.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529474

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Anonymous (ID: 6885b4)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529475

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>>529472
That's a complete and abhorrent misrepresentation of quantum mechanics.
If things don't exceed certain probabilistic thresholds they can't happen.

Chappie!Ep8pui8Vw2 (ID: 1d3c27)Country code: ms-dos.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  529476

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>>529475
You're a complete and abhorrent misrepresentation of quantum mechanics.

Suomi Sauna !Wall.AT/L2 (ID: 8121d6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529478

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>>529454
>I'll likely feel similarly like garbage like after the first one.
>>529456
>Bro the second one is nothing like the first.

I've heard that the 1st dose primes the immune system and causes the 2nd dose to cause your immune system to go into overdrive, making you feel like shit for a day or two. I'm wondering whether most people who have a bad reaction to the first dose had already been infected (perhaps asymptomatically) with the virus.

Suomi Sauna !Wall.AT/L2 (ID: 8121d6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529480

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BMO!Beemo/ZZYY (ID: 83f9cb)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  529485

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>>529478
>I'm wondering whether most people who have a bad reaction to the first dose had already been infected (perhaps asymptomatically) with the virus.

I've heard that's the case. I had a bad first dose and I know I've been exposed even if I didn't show any symptoms by a friend 6 months ago. So, I do think that's the case.


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