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bill H.R.127 (ID: af2f58)Country code: gn.gif, country type: customflag, valid:   471670[View All]

#Politics
in case nobody has heard this is a bill that will provide for the licensing of firearm and ammunition possession and the registration of firearms, and to prohibit the possession of certain ammunition.

are constitutional rights just outright being ignored at this point for the guise of safety?

and someone please explain how this is to going to fix a damn thing?
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>>472605

From your perspective, maybe. But you're not the foundation of all being.

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>>472604
>can't you choose not to swear on the Bible

That shouldn't be a choice I should have to make in the first place.

>>472606
I don't need to be.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 1924e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  472611

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>>472608

Without an infinite perspective, you couldn't possibly know for sure why anything is the way it is.

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>>472608
I could've swore they offered every form of religious text to be sworn on as well.

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>>472612
Swearing under oath should be enough. No religious texts should be present.

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>>472611
Again I don't have to.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 1924e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  472616

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>>472614

I mean, to say anything with 100% certainty you do.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: aa4abf)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  472617

>>472604
I don't believe thats what toy is suggesting and i know its not what im suggesting.

I think her argument is, and my argument is, that a social law needs to be based on something more tangible than just "my morals". You should be able to prove how 2 dudes getting married or a woman wearing shorts infringes on your rights before you can restrict theirs. That way, its not even a question of which mob rule religious beliefs are at the heart of our moral compass when making laws, its just simply a provable problem that is being solved, and the basis of the law is solving that tangible problem, rather than subjective religious based moral ideology.
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>>472616
My existence is a paradox to the God theory.

This is because the only way my existence could be justified is if God acts without logic or reason, and if that is the case, it is impossible call him malevolent.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 1924e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  472619

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>>472618

>This is because the only way my existence could be justified is if God acts without logic or reason


But how could you know that without his perspective?

vynn (ID: 4a7e5d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  472620

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>>472612
>>472613
You don't need to swear on a religious text. I think you can swear on a law book or constitution or something. Or maybe just swear an oath with no book present, I dunno. Maybe that depends on what for.

I think most people just assume a Bible will be used and most people don't object so usually it's not a big issue, but I doubt any court is going to be offended if you say no to it.

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>>472619
I ran the numbers.

>>472620
That's not the point. This isn't about me being personally offended that the book is present.

It's about the fact that any religious text, from any source should not be included in any sort of state sponsored or controlled event/service, even symbolically, unless a physical copy of the book is being presented as evidence in a case.

It spits in the face of everything the first amendment stands for.

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i hate when religion gets involved because it derives into nonsense

im not stupid

i think we should all agree that religion plays some sort of part into society that it impacts our lives in some shape or form

but at the same time it doesnt

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>>472613
So you take issue with a tradition that is applied evenly to all people regardless of religion or creed?

>>472617
Her argument was that laws created were just to appease the Christian Religious folk and that it was all unconstitutional. Her argument was that because people used their morals when voting that is injecting religion in government, and that shouldn't be tolerated. She said that the word "morals" is a Christian Code Word.

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>>472623
>i think we should all agree that religion plays some sort of part into society that it impacts our lives in some shape or form
>but at the same time it doesnt


It doesn't impact YOUR life.

I could easily say that what happens to the 2nd amendment doesn't impact my life, because it doesn't. It doesn't mean I'm simply going to dismiss it.

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>>472622
I really don't think the book existing in a court room has anything to do with the first amendment.

vynn (ID: 4a7e5d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  472628

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>>472622
I'd argue it's the opposite tho

Wouldn't the First Amendment prevent the govt from stopping people from swearing on religious texts?

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>>472625
>So you take issue with a tradition that is applied evenly to all people regardless of religion or creed?

I take issue with the fact that religion is included in a state function.

A state function that is supposed to be separated from religion.

Yes.

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>>472628
>Wouldn't the First Amendment prevent the govt from stopping people from swearing on religious texts?

No. It would allow them to prey before their case or have a religious text on them during the hearing. It should NOT be provided by the court nor used in any functional capacity by the court. You have the freedom to express and practice your religion. You do not have the "freedom" for the state to provide you with the resources you need to practice it. That is not their job.
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>>472626
honestly i say this with the at most no offense said

nobody forcing to subject yourself to religion

esp. in the state of california as you pointed out

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>>472632
>nobody forcing to subject yourself to religion
This entire thread has been pretty much me explaining why that isn't true.

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>>472633
okay, i will ask

who is forcing you to subject to religion?

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>>472629
I think it has to do with the fact that in the past being tried for a crime included religion as much as the state, and it's just a tradition that carried over. It's harmless.

vynn (ID: 4a7e5d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  472636

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>>472630
>It should NOT be provided by the court
I think people can bring their own, but that just seems to be complicated things for no benefit


>nor used in any functional capacity by the court.

The religious portion isn't part of the function of the oath though. You can take the oath with zero books around, as far as I'm aware.

The only thing this would do would prevent people from having an optional religious book near them if they want to.

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>>472634
The state. As I have already explained. Many times.

>>472635
To you.

I see it as no different than my state department hanging a Nazi flag in it's halls.

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>>472637
you didn't explain that at all

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>>472636
>The only thing this would do would prevent people from having an optional religious book near them if they want to.

They can bring one.

The only reason the state should be allowed to provide a religious book to someone is if they are not permitted to bring any personal items into the courtroom with them. In that case, I can see it being provided for them.
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Heil Morgoth!

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>>472637
How exaggerative.

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>>472644
Again, to you. I am not exaggerating.
I mean no offense to you but I view all symbols of religion, though to be fair, moreso christian because that is what I've been exposed to the most, as oppressive symbols that denote a belief system that has historically wanted to eliminate people like me.

So no. It is not an exaggeration at all.

That is not to say I view all Christians as Nazis. I judge each individual on their personal merits, not on what they believe. The symbolism itself though is something I do not like to view or have in my presence if it doesn't need to be.

However I'm respectful of other people's beliefs even if I am against the belief itself. I would never throw a fit if I went to someone's house and they had a Bible on the coffee table or a crucifix on the wall. I have family that have both and they have every right to have anything in their home they wish.

However if I was given either as a gift, I would either give them away or get rid of them as I do not want them around me.

I've gone so far as to throw away a perfectly good blanket because it was mislabeled and instead of having pictures of cats on it, it had a depiction of the virgin mary. I refuse to have such symbolism in my own home.

You think I am being pedantic but I am not.
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vynn (ID: 4a7e5d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  472647

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>>472640
Ahh, okay, understandable then!

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>>472646
The fact that you're rallying against a tradition that has no impact on the actual process, is not enshrined in law - to the best of my knowledge, and is purposefully carried out in a way to not actively disenfranchise anyone by comparing it to Nazism is a bit exaggerated.

I'm not faulting you for feeling how you feel towards religion. Go on ahead it doesn't harm me. This process though is painless to everyone involved and is actually practiced in a way to respect all people. Not to attack you.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 4ce95e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  472654

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>>472625
>Her argument was that because people used their morals when voting that is injecting religion in government, and that shouldn't be tolerated. She said that the word "morals" is a Christian Code Word.
Well, those 2 points i didnt catch i suppose, which is why im happy i covered my ass when saying "i cant speak for toy, but," haha.
She can get as carried away with her hatred for religion as religious people can get with their love of it sometimes.

Regardless, my argument about your logic i still stand by, you can line out any references to toybox if it helps.

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>>472649
I'm not comparing it to the practice of Nazism. I'm comparing it to a display of symbolism like displaying a flag would be.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 1924e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  472674

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>>472672

Ooga booga booga

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>>472674
Classy.

I, for one, have no reason to pray to a Babylonian torture device, but you do you.
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>>472675

Those USGI rosaries are pretty classy. My great uncle's is around here somewhere.

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>>472679
You wanna try to explain to me what is with the crucifix though?

Like you have to admit that turning the weapon used to murder your star player into a holy symbol is a really weird flex.

Also, I was saying your mockery of someone's personal trauma was classy in a sarcastic manner.
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>>472684

Theologically speaking the crucifixion is the most important point in the whole story, it's what made the reconciliation of man to God possible and the foundation of the new covenant. The cross is just a symbol of that sacrifice and what it was made for.

I knew what you meant, I was petending to be dense.

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>>472689
Are you also pretending to be cold hearted?

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>>472692

You know it's lighthearted.

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>>472693
I know you didn't mean any harm by it, Rev so I'm not going to throw a fuss about it. I just want you to know that it was in bad taste.

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>>472699
Is that an apology or more mockery?

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>>472700

I obviously take no joy in causing anyone harm.

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>>472702
I'm just checking. I don't think many people think I take this sort of thing as seriously as I do.

I'll explain a bit in discord as to not offend anybody here.

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>>472703

Magnifique

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: aa4abf)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  472707

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What a tease.
Its like if they shut the movie off before the ending.

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>>472707

Nothing to see here, citizen. Move along.


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