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Kyle Rittenhouse released after posting $2 million bail Chain!Wall.AT/L2 (ID: 16bfc8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid:   447098[Last 50 Posts]

Toilet is phone (ID: e4b93a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447100

I’m so happy

!cpbuwI00Vo (ID: 9f08f1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447158

Pedophiles and woman abusers on suicide watch.

vynn (ID: 552247)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447296

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>>447158
Priests and cops?

!FGiFL0Ecls (ID: 47e9c9)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447299

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They need to free my mattress bros

ChainPhone (ID: 16bfc8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447309

>>447299
>moobs
>lack of trigger discipline

!FGiFL0Ecls (ID: a3c593)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447318

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>>447309
It's not target practice, its close range combat

Maroon Auburn!QEUQfdPtTM (ID: 06f23c)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447326

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>Get attacked
>Defend yourself
>Get arrested for it

!cpbuwI00Vo (ID: 9f08f1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447334

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>>447326
Reporter: So one of the assailants kept screaming "Shoot me nigga!" repeatedly over and over?
Kyle:

Anonymous (ID: 0bac00)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447349

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Seems Kyle got some celebrities and corporate support for raising his bail money.

The owner of MyPillow and former child star Ricky Schroder were very generous in supporting Kyle's case.

Expect BLM and Antifa to trash these donations. MyPillows are sold through WalMart. This is going to be good.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kyle-rittenhouses-attorney-thanks-ricky-schroder-for-helping-pay-2m-bond
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Ika's name (ID: 48ef4b)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447379

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>He is due back in court on Dec. 3 for a preliminary hearing.
He's either going back to jail after he's found guilty anyways, funny that a bunch of morons wasted 2m on this shit stain tho.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 844eb4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447381

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>>447379
Not like political figures willing to spend that much aren't willing to also hide him.

That and he sounds like he has some decent lawyers.

Ika's name (ID: 48ef4b)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447384

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>>447381
Oh please, the american justice system wouldn't let a murderer walk free would it? It's all about justice!

vynn (ID: f69ed5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447385

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>>447379
He's probably gonna be found guilty if something minor only and only get a couple years, no doubt. We'll see though.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 10914e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447387

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>>447384
It just works.

fleur (ID: ddcca5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447391

>>447387
He has sandmanns lawyer. No matter what happens, that kid is kinda screwed career wise. If u was him I'd be reaching out to someone like Zimmerman to see what he did career wise as this kids options are kinda toast at this point.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 97178f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447393

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>>447391
>Was able to get 2 million dollars donations for bail
>Man this kid will have no future
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!BunnyHynm. (ID: d2fb53)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447398

He is the hero America deserves.
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fleur (ID: ddcca5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447401

>>447393
I said career wise, of course he has a future. I'd look into immigrating elsewhere, he could buy his way into Switzerland with that kind of money.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 10914e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447403

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>>447401
My mistake for connecting the two

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 6ec0f1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447408

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>>447393
To be fair, the people who raised that money probably dont actually care about the kid and only care about the politics involved.
They'll drop him like a rock if it doesn't suite their purpose any longer/they find a new thing.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 97178f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447411

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>>447408
We'll see I suppose.

(ID: 98c84d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447418

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Good.

fleur (ID: ddcca5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447422

>>447403
Leaving politics out of it, I find it a shame that anymore people like this and their supporters sometimes get doxed and possibly have their lives ruined. People have no idea what a can of worms they opened by being that spiteful and shitty. That's a big reason why so many people have a hard time getting a head anymore, everyone's afraid of getting sued or screwed over. Sad US society has come to this. O well....

(ID: 98c84d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447425

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>>447422
Yeah that shit has been running rampant and I feel like it's starting to come to a head where people are starting to not care. But damn if only this could be prevented by cracking down hard on malicious doxxers and having them actually face actual consequences. Oh well

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 10914e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447431

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Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 6ec0f1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447434

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>>447411
Well, i dont see anyone starting big public funds for they guy who straw purchased the gun for him in the first place.
Hes not as uesful.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 10914e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447435

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>>447434
Tough titties for what'sname.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 6ec0f1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447438

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>>447435
Pretty much.

fleur (ID: ddcca5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447450

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>>447431
That's kinda why I said fuck it this year with politics, not worth it. Focusing on my career, famiry, Inna Woods and reading. Also Asian things.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 97178f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447452

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>>447450
I see.

fleur (ID: ddcca5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447455

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>>447452
Famiry important, Buddha say so.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 10914e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447456

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>>447455
If you say he says so.

I seem to be doing fine.

fleur (ID: ddcca5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447458

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>>447456
You're not me.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 10914e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447463

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>>447458
Astute observation.

vynn (ID: 7f071b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447477

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Also regardless of the politics around this particular case, can we get rid of cash bail. Such a stupid system.

fleur (ID: ddcca5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447480

>>447463
I bet I have a nicer ass~

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 6ec0f1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447481

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>>447477
In favor of what?

vynn (ID: 7f071b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447484

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>>447481
... nothing? Not needing to have a certain amount of $$ to get out of pre-trial jail?

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 97178f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447490

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>>447480
Looser, at least.

fleur (ID: ddcca5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447493

>>447490
Nah, still super snuggly wuggy. I don't have that wierd butt ring some guys get from too many partners. I'm a pure maiden~

Mythix (pchans police)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 483e03)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447494

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>>447480
I won’t believe that unless you show me a pic.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 97178f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447495

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>>447493
Pure something alright.

!FGiFL0Ecls (ID: a3c593)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447499

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>>447484
>*skips trial*

fleur (ID: ddcca5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447500

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>>447494
That's not a pure maiden thing.
>>447495
Teehee~ :3

vynn (ID: 7f071b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447505

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>>447499
What's to stop him from doing that now?

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 6ec0f1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447507

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>>447505
Well, thats why his bail was set at 2 million. The judge even said because he is a flight risk.
No one expected the my pillow guy to show up.
No one ever expects the my pillow guy to show up.

toilet is tablet (ID: e8b227)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447509

>all these people who don't know how bail works.
The courts don't keep bail. After he shows up to court it get returned to those who post it.
Typically.
Read your states local penis code ty

vynn (ID: 7f071b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447511

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>>447507
If he was really that high of risk, they could have just not had bail be an option. That's a possibility they could have taken.

Why should freedom be determined by being rich, or getting tens of thousands of donations from across the nation, or from having the pillow guy show up?

Imo either he's a dangerous flight risk and the pillow guy shouldn't change that, or he's not a dangerous flight risk and he shouldn't have needed the pillow guy in the first place.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 6ec0f1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447542

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>>447511
Well it sounds like you both want and dont want people in jail pre trial.

(ID: 48d756)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447559

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>>447379 It's only wasted if he doesn't show up for trial. The money isn't lost. It isn't a fee.

>>447509
>this
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vynn (ID: 7f071b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447560

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>>447542
Well, yeah. That's not exactly inconsistent. I just don't want "has tons of money" to be the determining factor for which is which.

People get stuck in pre-trial jail for way lesser crimes for longer periods just because they're poor and their cases don't get national attention.

(ID: a900d4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447562

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i really believe our criminal justice system should mirror norway in terms of incarceration

but whatever

what do i know?

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 6ec0f1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447574

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>>447560
Well it is inconsistent, because you want to get rid of bail in favor of not holding people in jail pre trial, and your solution is to just hold people in jail pre trial, without the option of bail, with some stuff about "rich people" involved.
This kid wasn't rich, it was a community effort that posted his bail.
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(ID: 48d756)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447575

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>peaceful protester holding his love gun

vynn (ID: f69ed5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447581

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>>447574
>your solution is to just hold people in jail pre trial, without the option of bail
Incorrect. I think cash bail shouldn't be a thing, and that people should NOT be held in pre-trial jails.

The exception being of course, if it is an extremely serious crime, and there is a high chance of the person fleeing and not coming to their trials. In which case bail isn't/shouldn't even be an an option to begin with.

>This kid wasn't rich, it was a community effort that posted his bail.

I didn't say he was rich, but "has a ton of money" requirement still gets met with a community action.


I guess here's what I'm getting at. The OP article says the judge thinks Rittenhouse is a flight risk so he set the bail super high. But then some strangers on the internet and the Pillow Man donate a bunch to post bail anyway. How is he suddenly no longer considered a flight risk?

Either he's a flight risk and no magic amount of money should change that. Or he isn't a flight risk, so no money should realistically be needed.

How much of a flight risk someone is seems weirdly determined to just how much money they have or how much money strangers can give them. Just seems like a really odd metric that is unfavorable to poor people and people who don't get tons of donations, etc.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 6ec0f1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447585

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>>447581
>if it is an extremely serious crime, and there is a high chance of the person fleeing
Which is subjective, and already what bail is used for.
So basically your going to not make any change, except that now no one that had the option of bail has the option of getting out pre trial at all.
Bail is just collateral imposed on people who are deemed dangerous or not likely to return to court, because they haven't been found guilty yet. Its not always imposed, and the times that it is, will just be imposed anyway under this idea, but without the option.

If you have a better idea, id like to hear it, but this one isnt better imo. It just like, a complaint more than a solution.
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vynn (ID: e4897d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447620

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>>447585
>Which is subjective, and already what bail is used for.
It's what bail is supposed to be for, but also erm. Kinda isn't. Most of the time it just seems like "people with more money get more freedom."

>So basically your going to not make any change, except that now no one that had the option of bail has the option of getting out pre trial at all.

No, I'd say most people would be not even put in jail to begin with. Kinda a substantive change.

>Bail is just collateral imposed on people who are deemed dangerous or not likely to return to court,

If they're dangerous why are they being let out at all?! Just because they happen to have or be given 2 million?!

"Ah this person is dangerous as hell, but hey he got 2 million, better let him out to go be dangerous." Danger level shouldn't be determined by wealth!

>or not likely to return to court

Most people return to court anyway afaik, especially with the added charges of attempting to flee your crimes getting thrown on top of. Plus people can be tracked/house arrested/etc otherwise.

I mean if there was a big enough chance that the person was just gonna run into the woods and literally never be seen again the second he's out of custody, how much collateral actually fixes that? I'd think if someone was really gonna flee anyway, at that point they'd probably not be caring about getting their deposit back.

Chain!Wall.AT/L2 (ID: 16bfc8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447651

Things like ankle-bracelet GPS monitors should probable be used more.

>>447620
>I'd think if someone was really gonna flee anyway, at that point they'd probably not be caring about getting their deposit back.
In general, someone with nothing to lose would be a higher flight risk than someone with a lot to lose.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 6ec0f1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447656

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>>447620
>erm
Idk if thats suppose to be an abbreviation or onomatopoeia.
>Most of the time it just seems like "people with more money get more freedom."
It might seem that way, yes.
You do realize, with all your study of bail that lead you to your advocacy, that bail is treated differently in every state, and that in many places you only need to pay a percentage of it to be released right? Like 10%, so if your bail is 500 bucks, 50 will release you, and you also get the money back when you show up for your hearing. You know all this already im sure.

>No, I'd say most people would be not even put in jail to begin with.

Ok
>If they're dangerous why are they being let out at all?!
Because innocent until proven guilty.

>Most people return to court anyway afaik

Yes, because most people dont have charges serious enough to run from, which is why most people dont have a bail amount placed on them in the first place.

Again, i think you just think its evil on the surface, without much research, so you want it "abolished", like "abolish the police" in favor of what? Rape?

Most people dont have to post bail in most places. Repeat offenders, people with a history of not showing up for court and people who have severe enough charges that they might flee, have a bail set. Everyone else goes home.

Again, your asking for nothing to change, except elimination of habeas corpus and to take away the opportunity of giving collateral as a promise to return to court. So you will have more people in jail, for longer, hooray?

Try saying something like "bail should be scaled by weath so that its an even requirement across the economic spectrum" because at least that sounds like you have a plan.
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(ID: 48d756)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447718

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>>447656 Are you thinking of bail bonds? Those are different. You don't get that money back.

Bail bonds are a racket.
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vynn (ID: e4897d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447731

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>>447651
>Things like ankle-bracelet GPS monitors should probable be used more.
True.

>In general, someone with nothing to lose would be a higher flight risk than someone with a lot to lose.

But they already have something to lose either way. I mean I guess they have somewhat more to lose, but then they're still going to be living as a fugitive with even more charges brought against them.


>>447656
>You do realize, with all your study of bail that lead you to your advocacy, that bail is treated differently in every state, and that in many places you only need to pay a percentage of it to be released right?
I mean yeah bail is treated differently in different states, but it doesn't stop the discussion about the concept entirely. Also afaik the 10% thing is specifically through bail bondsman. Which I guess is like a whole industry that only exists because of bail, which is kinda weird, idk.

>Because innocent until proven guilty.

Then they shouldn't be in jail to begin with!!

>Yes, because most people dont have charges serious enough to run from, which is why most people dont have a bail amount placed on them in the first place.

Well then that's excellent.

>Again, i think you just think its evil on the surface, without much research, so you want it "abolished", like "abolish the police" in favor of what? Rape?

I mean I admit I haven't read hundreds of articles on everything and am not an "expert" but I'm not sure why I can't have an opinion. Are we only allowed opinions if we're certifiable experts?

Also I don't want police abolished so I'm not sure where that's coming from. Are you confusing me for someone else, or are you just speaking in generalities?

>Repeat offenders, people with a history of not showing up for court and people who have severe enough charges that they might flee, have a bail set. Everyone else goes home.

Then for most people nothing will change. But then in other cases, repeat offenders who are able to get a lot of money are treated better than repeat offenders who are dirt poor. People who have repeatedly not shown up for court, but happen to have a big sack of cash, get to get let out anyway. Kinda weird imo.

>Try saying something like "bail should be scaled by weath so that its an even requirement across the economic spectrum" because at least that sounds like you have a plan.

Well I'd certainly be in favor of that rather than the current system, no doubt, and would be a start.

As an aside, how do you feel about tickets and stuff being scaled on wealth as well? Like vs our current system where a flat $100 ticket for a traffic offense essentially lets people with enough wealth to get to break the law for "free" relatively speaking?

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 6ec0f1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447763

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>>447718
I said specifically that you do get the money back, so idk.
Iirc, all bail in the US is on a bond system of finacial collateral.

>>447731
>it doesn't stop the discussion about the concept entirely.
I never said it should, but your reasoning seems to be in generic terms.

>Then they shouldn't be in jail to begin with!!

But then you have a situation where someone caught red handed for murder can flee before their trial just by pleading "not guilty". That why people charged with murder such as the case of this kid in OP is set in the millions.

>but I'm not sure why I can't have an opinion.

Because you made the declaration that cash bail should be abolished i thought you would have more behind it than you did, like something that lead you to that opinion, or something that is better to replace it.
You can have the opinion, and i can question you about it.

>Also I don't want police abolished so I'm not sure where that's coming from.

It was just a comparison between statements that "X should be abolished" without being fallowed with "in favor of".

>People who have repeatedly not shown up for court, but happen to have a big sack of cash, get to get let out anyway. Kinda weird imo.

Yes, it is kind of weird but its based on a principle that you're innocent until proven guilty. Its a way to keep that intact, while still keeping people held to a responsibility to face justice.
I'm not arguing in favor of the system, im just trying to figure out what you think is better before agreeing that it should be abolished just because its "kinda weird". What you've suggested i dont like, because i like that the opportunity for people to raise bail for me at least exists, should i ever need it.

>how do you feel about tickets and stuff being scaled on wealth as well?

Im in favor of the idea.
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>>447731
>Then they shouldn't be in jail to begin with!!
So the guy who blew up the churches in SC should've been let out until proven guilty in court?

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>>447763 I mean, the "you only have to pay 10%" thing is for bail bonds, as in, paid to a bondsman who covers the other 90%, and the bondsman gets 100% back. You don't get the 10% back.

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>>447766
The guy who blew up the black churches.

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>>447768
Gotcha.
Its confusing because all bail is a "bail bond" even if a "bondsman" takes the responsibility for it, for a price.

Yes, i was talking about bondsmen.
Or rather, states that allow it.
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>>447772 It's a really confusing system that preys on the poor and uninformed. If they cut bail to 10% and just cut out the bondsmen, that would be a better solution I think.

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>>447772
States with bondsmen also have higher bond prices, too.

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>>447763
>I never said it should, but your reasoning seems to be in generic terms.
Well being generic is a good place to start imo, before getting into all the exceptions.

>That why people charged with murder such as the case of this kid in OP is set in the millions.

And again, his being set free currently has zilch to do with how much of a danger he is to society by having a murder charge, and has entirely to do with the Pillow Guy coming to the rescue. Having a Pillow Guy shouldn't be the determining factor for freeness or not.

>Because you made the declaration that cash bail should be abolished i thought you would have more behind it than you did, like something that lead you to that opinion, or something that is better to replace it.

Not exactly doing months of research, I'm willing to admit there are probably gaps in my arguments, and I'm willing to change my stance. But just noticing trends and trying to work through the justifications for why things are the way they are. Especially because I think America is one of the few countries to use a cash bail system, and why do we have this system and how do other countries seem to still work despite not having cash bail.

Is America just uniquely awful that we require cash bail? Or is it just an antiquated system that hurts poorer people with little justification?

>Yes, it is kind of weird but its based on a principle that you're innocent until proven guilty. Its a way to keep that intact, while still keeping people held to a responsibility to face justice.

I think people can still be held to that responsibility without a monetary value being a factor. And bail doesn't have to just be a sum of money. Like I said earlier, threat of being a fugitive and even harsher charges help keep people responsible, plus other restrictions, or even house arrest in worse cases.

And when I say "kinda weird" it's just short form for describing the whole system of bein a unjust in my perspective.

>What you've suggested i dont like, because i like that the opportunity for people to raise bail for me at least exists, should i ever need it.

I'd argue in favor of a system where in most situations you wouldn't even need it. Unless of course you're like a mass murderer or something..!

>Im in favor of the idea.

Nice~


>>447766
No
> >>447581
>The exception being of course, if it is an extremely serious crime, and there is a high chance of the person fleeing and not coming to their trials. In which case bail isn't/shouldn't even be an an option to begin with.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 29777e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447809

>>447798
So what's the bar for "serious" here? Violent crimes? So the most common charge of assault for poor defendants would have them in jail until trial. The only people that would be let out that couldn't pay bail are drug charges.

If violent isn't the bar, what about sex crimes? Because someone was accused of rape means he must surely be a repeat offender, even if there's only the allegation and testimony?

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>>447798
>And again, his being set free currently has zilch to do with how much of a danger he is to society by having a murder charge, and has entirely to do with the Pillow Guy coming to the rescue. Having a Pillow Guy shouldn't be the determining factor for freeness or not.
Well, if the pillow guy thought that Kyle would flee from justice or commit a crime while released on bail, presumably he wouldn't have put up bail money. So I think that having other citizens put their own money at risk should count for something.

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>>447823
>habeas corpus
this is interesting topic and im glad you bring this up

whats crazy its not a part of constitutional law yet it is still respected

pretty cool shit

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okay from a completely moral and logical view point he did nothing wrong. He would have likely died had he not used his gun but yeah lets go ahead and ignore that.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 29777e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447836

>>447823
I think it's more that the court sees them as dogcatchers so why not force higher bonds that require a bondsmen to go hunt them down when they don't show?

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>>447834
>driving hours
I could've swore he lived within 30 minutes of the area.
In fact I recall that he worked in Kenosha as a lifeguard or something.

Also those things don't really devalue his use of self defense morally when his life was at risk.

Edit: Added Sentence "In fact I recall that he worked in Kenosha as a lifeguard or something." and a space in the paragraph so it doesn't look cluttered.

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>>447834
Maybe not but that sorta response is justified. Lets say he was instead a normal person going about their day and suddenly got mobbed and one of the assailants had a gun. Would you agree that it is acceptable to defend yourself in this situation even if it meant you had to take a life?

!GiLgameShI (ID: 29777e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447858

>>447850
"Bounty hunters" get their money from the bail bondsmen. It only costs the state money to extradite them back to face charges. So states save money by having someone else do it.

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>>447823 Well, let's take an example of $5000 bail. if you're poor, you aren't going to have, let's say, 8 months' rent just sitting around. So $5000 may as well be $1,000,000, because you can't pay it regardless. And then you get the option of paying $500, or approximately one months' rent, but you lose it. So whether you're guilty or not, you lose the money. And simply not paying it isn't an option for people, because the waits until trial can be months or years, meaning while you wait, you get fired from your jobs, lose your apartment, lose your car, lose everything, over $500.

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>>447850
I see your point I just think that if someone is apart of a group that is essentially rampaging across a city and they attack a guy that has a weapon "even if he has it illegally" and get shot then they'll get zero sympathy from me. But hey that's just me

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>>447865
Not to mention simply for being accused of a crime.

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>>447867 yep, that too.

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>>447809
Violent crimes should be one of the bars at least, but poor people would still be affected more often with a cash bail system, which would mean rich violent people are punished less.

I'm not arguing against bail, I'm arguing against cash bail. Whether or not a sex crime charge gets released or not is kinda a different argument entirely.


>>447811
>So I think that having other citizens put their own money at risk should count for something.
... why?


>>447823

>But an ultra wealthy mogul who can afford millions of dollars in bail, is an exception.
I mean exceptions of who should even get bail to begin with, not like this case being an exception. But it is exceptional in that it points to how our justice system seems to function, and I don't see why we can't use the case to explore why.

>The only argument you've made so far is that it should be gone because you think its unfair.

Seems like is a really good argument. I don't think our justice system should be unfair, and I'd hope you would think similarly.

>Idk, like i said, i just guessed you had something you thought was better, and if its just getting rid of bail, and keeping everyone who would have had it imposed behind bars is what you think is better, i disagree.

I'd disagree with that as well.

>Especially if you think the justice system is systematically racist.

Actually it could probably be argued that the cash bail system is a contributing factor to that, if you took "cash bail unfairly punishes poor people" and "black americans are on average more likely to be poor".

>What do you suggest?

Well I've mentioned alternatives before. I think in most cases, and how lots of other countries work, bail would essentially just be the agreement to return itself, and the threat of the additional crime of breaking the bail would be deterrence enough. Or if they're more likely to skip out, bail could include some sort of supervision, maybe not as bad as house arrest, but similar, maybe like whatever is analogous to like probation.

>And i argue for a system that preserves habeas corpus, even if that means 1 or 2 situations where a rich person can post their own bail

That seems like an argument against holding literally anyone in jail before conviction though?

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>>447872
>I'm not arguing against bail, I'm arguing against cash bail.
Collateral can be used in lieu of cash in most states
>Whether or not a sex crime charge gets released or not is kinda a different argument entirely.
How? How is a sex crime different than a regular assault with the danger to the witness or more victims?

!GiLgameShI (ID: 29777e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447883

>>447880
Why is this site so jank about saving fields?

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>>447830
I mean it's all perspective though? There's also the completely moral and logical view point that he wouldn't have needed to use his gun if he wasn't pointing it unsafely at people and other people weren't nervous as heck that he was going to shoot someone first.

Kinda the whole point of needing a trial, to see where his culpability really starts

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>>447880
>Collateral can be used in lieu of cash in most states
Uh, how is that any different? That would affect people who don't have the collateral either..


>How is a sex crime different than a regular assault with the danger to the witness or more victims?

??? I don't know why are you asking me?

!GiLgameShI (ID: 29777e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447893

>>447887
>There's also the completely moral and logical view point that he wouldn't have needed to use his gun if he wasn't pointing it unsafely at people and other people weren't nervous as heck that he was going to shoot someone first.
Then isn't there a completely moral and logical view point that a mob was going to burn down the town through violence? Why did the guy who lost his arm have a gun then if he was just a "peaceful protester" by your own logic that him having a gun meant he was violent?

!GiLgameShI (ID: 29777e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447895

>>447891
Then what the fuck is bail if not cash or collateral? You're using words with meanings and claiming "yeah but I don't mean what they mean".

You're the one who said a violent crime and a sex crime is a different argument altogether.

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>>447850
>joining the riot
I wouldn't say trying to protect property is joining the riots. In fact, I don't think Kyle or his group committed any damage consistent with saying he "joined the riot".
I'm don't entirely remember why Kyle was originally confronted, but I recall it was speculated that it was because he was putting out a trash fire that the rioters created.

I'm not defending the illegal weapon - though the questionable legality aside - I do believe that Kyle acted in appropriate self defense and in fact showed a very respectable level of restraint when it comes to who he shot and how.
It's fine if you disagree, it's just my opinion.

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>>447890 Losing everything is not a better option whether you're guilty or innocent, assuming what you have to lose is worth more than the bond. e.g. Saving $500 by not paying the bond, to lose $10,000 in assets, doesn't make sense.
>or had business being there
He did have business being there. He was there on behalf of a business.

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>>447893
>Then isn't there a completely moral and logical view point that a mob was going to burn down the town through violence?
Erm. I mean he could possibly think that, but then I'd think his imperative would be to... not be there, not to point a firearm at strangers who aren't actively threatening him or others.

>Why did the guy who lost his arm have a gun then if he was just a "peaceful protester" by your own logic that him having a gun meant he was violent?

People are allowed to have guns.


>>447895
>Then what the fuck is bail if not cash or collateral?
Agreement to show up to court under penalty of additional charges. Mandatory supervision. House arrest. Other things I can't think of that isn't just cash-or-jail.

>You're the one who said a violent crime and a sex crime is a different argument altogether.

No, it's more, I'm not interested in arguing which crimes get bail or not. That's a whole ton of minutiae that isn't even part of what I'm arguing.

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Remember folks, if the mob wants to kill you, it's because you did something wrong.
>

>>447907 It's not as simple as that. If it just comes down to [gains from work]-[losses from bond], then yes, but for many people, there's more to factor in. Take me, for example. If I were to get hit with a $5000 bail, I don't have $5000 sitting around. So my options are to either lose $500 to the bondsman, or lose 1) my apartment, 2) everything in my apartment, 3) my car, 4) and my dog gets put down for good measure. It's literally "pay up" vs "lose everything".

!GiLgameShI (ID: 29777e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447914

>>447910
>who aren't actively threatening him or others.
Numerous videos of the night have been shown of him and he never once pointed his rifle at anyone until he was acting in self defense.

>People are allowed to have guns.

And so is he to defend himself against violence.

>Agreement to show up to court under penalty of additional charges. Mandatory supervision. House arrest. Other things I can't think of that isn't just cash-or-jail.

That's not bail, that's house arrest. Which is still imprisonment, which bail is to keep you free from until conviction.

>I'm not interested in arguing which crimes get bail or not

Then what is your argument? You keep going on about how bad bail is, then say it's okay in certain scenarios, and refuse to answer what scenarios it would be warranted under.

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>>447911
Even if it just comes down to whether it's more worthwhile to pay the bond or not why should I lose a single dime if I end up being found not guilty?
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>>447911
>Remember folks, if the mob wants to kill you, it's because you did something wrong.
Correct, He clearly violated the NAP and deserved nothing less than a tactical nuke + having all his family murdered in public view.
~Khaine Bless This Post.~

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>>447905
And I'm not saying that he was a saint either.
I was saying that I don't think it's categorically appropriate to say that he joined the riots.
Secondly, I was also saying that I think he practiced appropriate self defense. I understand Wisconsin has some other laws on the books that means he could still be convicted.
I just don't like painting this kid as some sort of hooligan/deviate. He got himself in a bad situation and needed to defend himself. Whether or not he's convicted I think is separate from that.

> he still actively chose to put himself in a situation where it was a very real possibility.

Yes he did. We can both agree on that.
At the same time I'm torn on the issue of leaving your community to be vandalized or torched when you have the ability to step in and protect it. This becomes especially questionable when the police has decided to forsake your community and allow the actual deviates to commit an almost incalculable amount of violence.
I think it's a tough situation is all, and I don't see Kyle Rittenhouse as neatly falling into good or bad.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 29777e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447920

>>447911
Vaush being an unapologetic pedophile make all the members of the riots that have been arrested with previous convictions of child molestation all the funnier.

Almost like there's a trend here...

(ID: 98c84d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447923

>>447920
oh yeah I forgot about that.
I stand by my original statement.

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>>447911
?


>>447914
>Numerous videos of the night have been shown of him and he never once pointed his rifle at anyone until he was acting in self defense.
Guess the videos told the whole story and the investigators can just pack it up.

>And so is he to defend himself against violence.

Yeah, he is. The question is whether he is the one who initiated violence by pointing his gun at people.

>That's not bail, that's house arrest. Which is still imprisonment, which bail is to keep you free from until conviction.

So you agree that we shouldn't require cash bail because then we'd have to imprison people who can't meet that cash bail?

>Then what is your argument?

Cash bail is bad, there are alternatives. Why is America one of the only countries to have cash bail?

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>>447872
>... why?
For the same reason that underlies prediction markets. If lots of fellow citizens think that Kyle will show up for his court hearing, and they are willing to put their money where their mouths are, it's decent evidence that he will.

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>>447915 agreed
>>447916 condemn them all for his sin
>>447920 #PedoLivesMatter
>>447922 That's correct. What I am saying is that since the $500 is a major inconvenience in either case, how about not losing the $500, and making the $500 itself be the bail? i.e. that thing you get back once you go to court?
>>447926 from a debate a couple of months ago, Vaush rationalized that Rittenhouse should have simply given himself over to the mob, and would have had a 50/50 chance of not being killed, which he said was preferable to 2 people being killed and a third being shot.

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>>447935 half hour is nothing. Half hour is practically next door. I know Rhode Island isn't huge, but an hour isn't even a long distance if you're in the West or Midwest. 4 hours is a long ways. 1 is nothing. half hour is like "I'm going to get some milk from the store" distance.

!smiles.Drs (ID: c043d8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447939

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>>447935
He worked there, and his friends lived there.
The concept of "community" has gotten really muddied with the way our society has developed.

I commonly have to commute an hour or so away depending on my job situation. I still have an intrinsic value and moral reasoning to protecting my place of work and the area surrounding it.
And I'm not a rare case. I know many people that regularly commute to their place of work anywhere from 30 minutes to 2 hours away.

It's just hard to define.

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>>447938
> half hour is like "I'm going to get some milk from the store" distance.
This is literally the distance I have to drive to get to a general store in my rural properties in New York and Texas.
Longer if I need anything specific.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 29777e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447942

>>447923
>>447931
Amazing how the people who act like perpetual children into their 30s fuck actual children.
Who would've thought?

>>447926
We'll see how it plays out in court and at most, he'll be hit with the weapons charge.

He only pointed the gun at people directly threatening him so hopefully he walks.

No, the point of bail is your not under any form of imprisonment prior to trial. It's not bail if you're imprisoned under different circumstances, you're just not doing it at the county jail.

Then what do you have to ensure they return to court? As already explained, house arrest is still arrest.

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>>447930
>If lots of fellow citizens think that Kyle will show up for his court hearing, and they are willing to put their money where their mouths are, it's decent evidence that he will.
I feel like the money part is just an unnecessary step, though. I dunno.


>>447931
It's a tough call, but I guess I can actually understand both sides of the argument.

Like, say for argument, the first killing was 1000% justified self defense. In a large crowd of people, in the excitement of everything, not everyone is going to see the perspective of it being justified. Lots are just going to see "holy shit that guy killed someone, he's probably going to kill other people!"

Guess it banks on how much one thinks putting ones arms up and surrendering would sway people.

Cause after a certain point, the only options are a) the crowd sees the surrender and apprehend them and call the police, or b) they're just going to assume he's a murderer and want to attack him no matter what he does, and now a single justified case of self defense leads to justifying how many countless other acts of self defense. Hmn...
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>>447944
He worked in the YMCA in Kenosha.
He was a lifeguard.

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>>447943
>I feel like the money part is just an unnecessary step, though. I dunno.
With modern technology, it probably is. Back in the old days, it might have been the best thing available, but nowadays there are probably better ways of ensuring that the accused shows up in court.

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>>447940
>Its set in a hard to achieve way intentionally that will ruin you if you skip out on it.
$500 can also ruin you if you skip out on it. The difference is that $500 is achievable, and $5000 is not.
>im just saying i dont see the bondsman as being a predatory practice.
It's predatory because many people don't have a choice. It's simple extortion, whether guilty or innocent.
>i would favor something along the lines of scaling bail to income.
sounds reasonable to me.
>>447941 30 minutes was the distance we'd drive to go have a nice dinner out. or to go to the movies. or go shopping at a strip mall. When I was younger, this generally meant crossing from Oklahoma into Texas. The whole region is based on cross-state cooperation, a.k.a. Texoma. Saying you're an out of state troublemaker, if say you're visiting Sherman TX from Durant OK, or Paris TX from Hugo OK, would be absurd.
>>447942 reset the clock
>>447943 it is a tough situation, but unfortunately we don't even have the benefit of hindsight. just speculation.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 29777e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447954

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I mean, look at all the violent rioters who got arrested and were released without bail only to proceed to keep rioting the following night.
Almost like having a financial costs to a bunch of deadbeats to keep them from further rioting would fix something.

Chain!Wall.AT/L2 (ID: 16bfc8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447955

>>447920
>Vaush
Who is that?

vynn (ID: e4897d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447956

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>>447942
>We'll see how it plays out in court and at most, he'll be hit with the weapons charge.
Yeah. I think he'll be hit with some things, maybe at most like some sorta manslaughter charge, but I kinda doubt any murder brought against him.

>He only pointed the gun at people directly threatening him so hopefully he walks.

I've just heard otherwise, but it's essentially just all hearsay, so kinda moot.

>No, the point of bail is your not under any form of imprisonment prior to trial.

Yeah but in a lot of America, bail is only contingent on having some amount of money or collateral as you say.

>It's not bail if you're imprisoned under different circumstances, you're just not doing it at the county jail.

I would mean this would be only for certain cases, but definitely not most. Like even in our current system, not all charges even get bail as an option if the charge is sever enough anyway.

>Then what do you have to ensure they return to court?

Majority of people do anyway. And I'd ask, how getting your money back is a greater motivator than not having additional charges brought against you and living life as a fugitive anyway?


>>447948
Oh yeah I could see how it may have been more appropriate at a certain time, but we have more tools available to us now.

!smiles.Drs (ID: c043d8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447958

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>>447950
He was told by the group he was with that they were asked to help defend it.
He's a young and stupid kid for taking it at face value, and his ignorance isn't a legal excuse. I just think that it's not entirely unreasonable to understand his position either.

He's going through the legal system right now, which I support. Regardless of how clear cut the self defense is it should be scrutinized by law enforcement and prosecution, and in a perfect system they would recognize the self defense and not go forward with prosecution.
Though I don't entirely agree with some aspects of how the Legal System is treating Rittenhouse. The 2 Million Dollar bail more specifically.

On the other hand though, the other side has been able to largely escape any and all prosecution. I would hope we both agree that it's a failure of the legal system that it's been allowed to unfold like this.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 29777e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447959

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>>447956
>And I'd ask, how getting your money back is a greater motivator than not having additional charges brought against you and living life as a fugitive anyway?
Conceptually, if you have nothing to lose, then having extra charges doesn't matter. However, if you pay the bail (not the bond) then you have something to lose.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 29777e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447962

>>447956
I mean, there's been numerous clips of the livestreams and something I watched live that showed the kid never once pointing a gun at anyone and even offering to give first aid if anyone needed it since he was trained in it as a lifeguard and his junior police courses.

So some crimes not having bail be possible means it's fine for you to be imprisoned prior to trial in any form? I'm not getting the logic here.

Bail money is literally to strip you of the funds to live as a fugitive of the law so that when you deal with the court and trial, your life is able to return along with the cash/collateral.

vynn (ID: e4897d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447964

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>>447952
Like it's a crazy set of events even without the background political nature of the riots in mix, too.

Add that in and I feel like everyone just prescribes their own feelings about the riots onto the motivations of Rittenhouse.


>>447955
Leftish youtuber. I've been watching a lot of his content lately, but a lot of people don't like him because he's uh... really edgy in a way that can tick a lot of people off.


>>447960
Most people I'd assume who would be getting bail posted wouldn't have serious enough of crimes and not very long sentences or fines, which would just go way up when trying to dodge out of them.

I can definitely understand the argument, but I just wonder how much in practice it even does/would pan out that way?

!GiLgameShI (ID: 29777e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447967

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>Vynn likes the pedo Vaush
Ah, it's making sense now.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 6ec0f1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447971

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>>447958
>He was told by the group he was with that they were asked to help defend it.
>He's a young and stupid kid for taking it at face value, and his ignorance isn't a legal excuse. I just think that it's not entirely unreasonable to understand his position either.
I agree

>He's going through the legal system right now, which I support. Regardless of how clear cut the self defense is it should be scrutinized by law enforcement and prosecution, and in a perfect system they would recognize the self defense and not go forward with prosecution.

I agree, on the murder charge.

>On the other hand though, the other side has been able to largely escape any and all prosecution. I would hope we both agree that it's a failure of the legal system that it's been allowed to unfold like this.

I dont honestly know what transpired with the other side, but if they weren't charged with anything, then i agree they should be.

vynn (ID: e4897d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447973

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>>447967
????????????

Damn serves me right for trying to argue in good faith with you, I'll try not to make the same mistake in the future.

!smiles.Drs (ID: c043d8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447975

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>>447971
OH Good.
I guess at this point we are both just waiting to see the outcome, huh?

!GiLgameShI (ID: 29777e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447976

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>>447973
Vaush "child porn is a victimless crime" is really someone that argues in good faith, eh?

!smiles.Drs (ID: c043d8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447977

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>>447973
Vaush is actually ridiculous and has argued that in communism CP would be fine.
It's capitalism that makes CP bad.

I mean it's fair to take a shot at the fact that you watch Vaush.
If I told you that I watched Count Dankula for my political opinions you would take shots at me probably. lol

(ID: 48d756)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447978

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>>447964
>Add that in and I feel like everyone just prescribes their own feelings about the riots onto the motivations of Rittenhouse.
most likely

>Most people I'd assume who would be getting bail posted wouldn't have serious enough of crimes and not very long sentences or fines, which would just go way up when trying to dodge out of them.

I'm not sure. Take Rittenhouse as an example, since he was eligible for bail. If he gets convicted of all charges, that could be decades, right? What's an extra year or two for skipping out when you're looking at decades behind bars? And even if he did skip out, the likelihood of him being caught is practically guaranteed. It's just a really weird negative incentive in my opinion. i.e. If you think you're innocent, then it doesn't incentivize anything, and if you think you're guilty, it isn't a deterrent.

>>447976
>>447977
to be fair, maybe it's just for entertainment purposes

Chain!Wall.AT/L2 (ID: 16bfc8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447979

>>447905
>I'm even giving the benefit of the doubt and saying, yeah it was in self defense, so i would lower the charges to manslaughter
But doesn't self-defense negate a charge of manslaughter as well? It seems that the equivalent of manslaughter in Wisconsin ("second-degree intentional homicide") applies in the case of an unreasonable belief that deadly force.

https://law.justia.com/codes/wisconsin/2014/chapter-939/section-939.48
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/940/

!smiles.Drs (ID: c043d8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447980

>>447978
I would hope so.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 6ec0f1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447983

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>>447979
I didnt mean legally.
He still shot someone in the process of committing crimes. If someone is committing a crime and shoots someone to preserve their own life, it can be views as self defense, but dosnt absolve them.

(ID: 48d756)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447985

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>>447983 "felony murder" is a bogus crime

you could just as easily say "the guy who assaulted Rittenhouse who didn't get killed (despite being a felony) should be charged with both murders because his assault was what led Rittenhouse to fear for his life and kill/shoot the others"

or "the guy who fired the first shot should be charged with.... for the same reasons"
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vynn (ID: e4897d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447987

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>>447977
I've seen no such argument.

Taking the other argument that Gilgamesh posted as an example is definitely bad faith, though. It was a stupid-ass argument to make, and he shouldn't have gone that route, but that was definitely meant to be anti-child labor.


>>447978
>And even if he did skip out, the likelihood of him being caught is practically guaranteed.
I think in the current era, esp with all the crazy surveillance we have going on, this is probably true of most people regardless.

>If you think you're innocent, then it doesn't incentivize anything

I'd think most people who think they're innocent would want to legally clear their name, so I'm not sure how much incentive is even needed.

>and if you think you're guilty, it isn't a deterrent.

Mn, probably not, but then it's just back to the unfairness factor, where if you're poor or don't have a super national case with plenty of people willing to give you money, then you're SOL comparatively.

I really should look into how other countries handle it more though, since they have to solve the same problem of ensuring people come back, but not being able to relying on cash the same way.

Chain!Wall.AT/L2 (ID: 16bfc8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447988

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>>447983
>If someone is committing a crime and shoots someone to preserve their own life, it can be views as self defense, but dosnt absolve them.
OK, but that doesn't justify the bogus murder charges that the DA filed against Kyle.

>He still shot someone in the process of committing crimes.

What crimes was he in the process of committing when he shot the three men? There's an argument that he was unlawfully in possession of a firearm (the text of the law is a bit unclear). But that's just a minor misdemeanor.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 29777e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447989

>>447987
>but that was definitely meant to be anti-child labor.
>"Because child labor happens in Africa, exploiting kids sexually in America is fine."
How the flying fuck is this logically consistent with what you said?

(ID: 48d756)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447991

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>>447987 yeah, pretty much.
I think perhaps the biggest problem is the backlogged legal system. If the wait times weren't months/years, then it really wouldn't matter as much.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 29777e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447992

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>>447987
>"He's not really a pedo, bros, because he supports my view points."

vynn (ID: e4897d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  447994

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>>447991
Yeah, that's definitely an issue. Have no idea what the solution is, either. And laws are only gonna get more and more complex, I feel, just exacerbating it all.

I mean even your normal case is probably going to take months anyway just for investigations to happen, so there's still going to be a wait no matter how much the backlog is unloaded.

!KadyLuvzOQ (ID: 29bbea)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448004

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>>447992
Whoever wrote that screencaps, is a pedophile with extra liberal justification for it

"Let's use big words to make anything I say seem legitimate"!

Smiles (ID: 5c830b)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  448005

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>>447987
Hey there, had to move to phone.
I mean in the picture Gilgamesh posted here >>447992
It’s pretty clear that he has some questionable views regarding pedophillia and CP.
and I know there is other stuff out there, but can’t be bothered looking for it.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 6ec0f1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448006

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>>447985
I agree the charges should be reduced, i said it many times itt.
>>447988
See above
>What crimes was he in the process of committing when he shot the three men?
He straw purchased a firearm, which is a felony, then he carried the illegally obtained rifle loaded as a minor.

(ID: 48d756)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448010

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>>448006 I don't mean just in this case. I mean in general.

Smiles (ID: 5c830b)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  448011

>>448004
Wow we actually agree.

vynn (ID: e4897d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448014

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>>448005
Never even seen it before, but googling it, people are saying he meant it should be lowered to 16 like what it currently is in the UK or something? Idk

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 6ec0f1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448015

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>>448010
I dont have a general opinion on the existence of that law.
I dont know enough about the general charge of "felony murder" to say.

(ID: 48d756)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448019

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>>448015 The most common example, is when someone is committing a felony, and then a cop comes and shoots the wrong person on accident, and the person committing the crime gets charged with murder. Aside from the lack of motivation, and the lack of even negligence, it's penalizing someone for someone else's incompetence.

or, another common example, 3 burglars get caught in the act. cops come and shoot/kill one of them. the other two get charged with murder.
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Smiles (ID: 5c830b)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  448022

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>>448014
Right, but he doesn’t say that. And I recall seeing more from that Cap and it didn’t really get any better.
He seems to conflate children agency with sexual maturity more than one. He’s gotten so much flack for those sorts of comments that he’s attempted to walk it back saying that he doesn’t support it, but it’s all about labor.
Putting it equal to child laborers in India.
Like they’re both bad, but they aren’t comparable.

vynn (ID: e4897d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448035

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>>448022
>Putting it equal to child laborers in India.
>Like they’re both bad, but they aren’t comparable.
I agree with this, I still think it's a stupid ass argument to make. I genuinely think at least in that situation he was just trying to use his "edgyness" to make a comparison just to shock the guy he was debating into agreeing. That kinda shit is why a ton of other lefties disagree with him.

I understand the point he was going for. "How can you be against the exploitation of children of children for porn, but be perfectly okay with the exploitation of children for mining cobalt or whatever on the other side of the planet?! If you're okay with one you have to be okay with the other!!"

But it's like... stupid and awful as fuck.

Smiles (ID: 5c830b)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  448046

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>>448035
You’re admittedly giving him a greater benefit of the doubt than I am.
I’ve listened to a number of his takes and it’s honestly just made me more and more jaded towards him.

vynn (ID: e4897d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448065

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>>448046
Probably to be expected at least. You're predisposed to be against him based on other things he's said, I'm predisposed the other way since I'm generally in favor.

I dunno. I could be way off, cause I don't want to condone that sort of thing, but at least from my perspective a way to just easily dismiss everything. Like "heh we can just dismiss literally anything he says based on this out of context flip, gottem!"

Smiles (ID: 5c830b)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  448095

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>>448065
I’m not trying to dismiss everything he says - I still periodically click his videos - but I was simply trying to share why people might jab at you for that.

I’m sure you understand where I’m coming from.

Also I do like destiny. I dislike a lot of what he says, but even with that in mind he’s much more reasonable and digestible.

Mythix (pchans police)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 02dab2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448121

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>>448095
Destiny is one of the biggest cunts on YouTube.

Smiles (ID: 5c830b)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  448126

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>>448121
Huge Cunt.
Half his shit is stupid.
Still better than Vaush. IMO

Mythix (pchans police)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 02dab2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448137

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>>448126
I haven’t seen any of Vaushes videos but you seen Destiny’s argument with Digibro? That was halarious.

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>>448121
Only thing I know about Destiny is that interview he did with JonTron that made everyone think JonTron was racist, and from watching that, I agree with this assessment.

He and KeemStar are trash fires from what I've seen.
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vynn (ID: e4897d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448142

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>>448095
I've never watched Destiny tbh

I don't mind disagreeing, but I legit find it offensive to be like "heh of COURSE vynn would like a pedofile"

Seriously, fuck off with that tyvm

!GiLgameShI (ID: 257ab3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448148

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>>448142
If you literally stop responding to an argument because shitposting about a pedo e-celebrity being a pedo, how does that offend you when you've literally called people nazis for milquetoast right wing policies?

Like how does calling Vaush a pedo intrinsically hurt you, that I must specify isn't Vaush.
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Smiles (ID: 5c830b)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  448159

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>>448137
I’m not a fan of destiny I just like watching the videos, I feel like I should specify that.
Also no I dodged that shit like the plague. Why do I wanna watch a waifu warrior argue with a politic Sperg.
I can just come here for that.

>>448142
I understand the discontent, but this is a shitposting board to be fair. Lol

vynn (ID: e4897d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448166

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>>448159
I've never been big on shitposting to begin with tbqh

Chain!Wall.AT/L2 (ID: 16bfc8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448172

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vynn (ID: 7aaa01)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448178

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>>448172
Aren't both sides being hypocritical, though?

Chain!Wall.AT/L2 (ID: 16bfc8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448180

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>>448178
There are many hypocrites on both sides of the aisle.

Pic unrelated.

vynn (ID: 7aaa01)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448182

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>>448180
What the heck am I looking at?!

Chain!Wall.AT/L2 (ID: 16bfc8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448183

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>>448182
A Coronavirus particle wearing MAGA hats.

!smiles.Drs (ID: c043d8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448196

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>>448166
That's fine.
Honest question, didn't you call me a Nazi or some sort of Alt-Right Shitlord in the past? I could've swore you did, and I don't see how that's better than the Vaush pedo thing.

vynn (ID: 7aaa01)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448216

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>>448183
I guess I don't get it...


>>448196
Um. I don't think so? That doesn't sound like something I'd say?

I mean I think Trump himself has very fashy tendencies, and I have reasonings for it, but I don't think you are at all.

!FGiFL0Ecls (ID: a3c593)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448221

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>>448121
You call everyone a cunt that isn't a Nazi, pedophile, alcoholic, retard, etc

Chain!Wall.AT/L2 (ID: 16bfc8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448222

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>>448216
>I guess I don't get it...
See >>448180:
>Pic unrelated.
The pic is just a reflection of Trumpers' poor mask-wearing and Trump's mishaps w.r.t. the Chinese Virus. It's not related to the thread at all.

Mythix (pchans police)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 87c7f6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448224

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!smiles.Drs (ID: c043d8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448247

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>>448216
If you say so, maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else.
I appreciate you not thinking of me that way.

Anonymous (ID: a2036d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  448666

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>>447379
I'm late to this thread and this is gonna be long but it's important.

I watched the video footage people who were there that night filmed instead of watching talking heads describe it.

>Be Kyle


>Go to help stop people from burning down your job that's a 10 minute drive from your house.

>Upon arrival, friend gives you a weapon just in case rioters want to bash your skull in or shoot you.
>Be shown on video giving medical aid and helping peaceful protesters throughout the night
>Get separated from your group and end up at a gas station down the street

>rioters light a dumpster on fire dangerously close to the gas station


>you run a fire extinguisher to someone and they put the fire out


>The mob of rioters thinks its you who put the fire out and turns on you. Throwing things at you and calling you names.


>You follow the law and run for it.


>They pursue you.Still throwing things at you.


>A shirtless guy catches up to you in a car dealership parking lot and an argument is started.


>Another guy in the back fires a shot.


>Shirtless guy reaches for your gun.


>You fire several rounds in return.


>Shirtless man who is on video earlier that evening running up to people and saying "shoot me n-word" is on the ground.


>You're 17 and probably never shot someone before so you're in shock. You walk around to the front and just stand there for a second before calling a friend and telling them what happened.


>You then realize there's still an angry mob that's probably even angrier so you continue running.


>Now the mob is chasing you while still throwing shit at you and one can clearly being heard saying "Get his ass. Get him!"


>You trip.


>While sitting up one guy runs up and tries to jump kick you in the head. He misses and hits your neck. Then he tries to grab your gun.


>You shoot him because you know if he gets your gun you're dead.


>Another person comes up and hits you in the head with a skateboard.


>They try to grab your gun


>You shoot them too.


>Third person runs up to you with a handgun drawn. You take aim. He freezes and puts his hands up.


>You hesitate. He drops his hands and charges you. He attempts to grab your gun while still pointing his at you.


>You fire and hit him in the arm.


>You get back up and run for it again. You try to surrender to police but in the confusion they tell you to GTFO the way.


>So you go home and surrender tomorrow.


Every single time Kyle fired was after three things. 1. He was already running away so he wasn't some magical threat that needed to be removed. 2.He was attacked they were throwing stuff at him the whole time, 3. Someone made physical contact as they tried to take his gun.

For anyone who thinks "But he shouldn't of had a gun that night", the third guy which I will refer to as bicep guy was talked to while he was in the hospital. He said his only regret wasn't emptying his magazine into Kyle.

I have no doubt in my mind they would of killed him for helping to put out their trash fire that could of blown up the gas station if they got it any closer.


This kid was vilified by the media much the same way Sandmann was. The media made it sound like he came from far away with a gun but he only lived 10 minutes away and the gun was given to him when he got there.

His friend was right to arm him and now his friend has also been arrested and charged with felonies.

The murder charges are blatantly false. This couldn't be a clearer case of self defense as he followed every law to the letter. He did not carry a gun across state lines, he did not shoot first, he did not intentionally provoke the assault on his person.

His personality or beliefs have no bearing on this case even though the mainstream media wishes you to think otherwise.

"But he shouldn't of had a gun it only escalated things!" If he didn't he'd be dead as the mob would still be angry he helped put out their dangerous dumpster fire.

"He shouldn't of been there!" Says who? I think he has just as much right as anyone to be there. Again, he wasn't armed until he got there and it makes sense for him to be there. Have you seen the photos of the aftermath? Looks like a fucking warzone.

"But insurance!" For many of these businesses the insurance company either doesn't pay enough out or finds a way to not pay at all. The rioters have caused hundreds of millions of dollars of damage. With mayors of these cities telling police to stand back and basically letting it happen it is no wonder that people are now arming themeselves to protect what's theirs.

"<Insert adhominem attack against me here>": This has no bearing on the video evidence of this case so I won't respond to it.
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>>448666
If he had shot blacks do you think the police would have given him a job?

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>>448666
Nice trips!

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>>448723
Holy shit you're right!
What do I win?


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