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Monarchism is actually good. !Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid:   398271

#Politics
Prove me wrong.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 004487)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398273

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Ok.

Aurum (ID: 3f9363)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  398274

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398275

Mk17 (ID: 571f0d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398281

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398284

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Mk17 (ID: 571f0d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398285

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>>398284
Is that piccolos shoulder?

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398287

>>398285

It's Rammus

Mk17 (ID: 571f0d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398288

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>>398287
Idk who that is.
Is it still dragon ball related though?

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398289

>>398288

No, it's a league character who just says "ok"

Mk17 (ID: 571f0d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398292

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Mk17 (ID: 571f0d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398293

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Also
>>398271
There is no such thing as "good" or "evil" in regards to a monarchist system, it depends on who the monarch is.
You can luck out and get a good one, or get fucked hard by a bad one.
The reason people dont like it is because its not advantageous to roll those dice.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398294

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>>398293

>get fucked hard by a bad one


Minimized by having a constitutional monarchy to set boundaries. The Anglos actually figured this one out pretty early.

With the consistently shitty quality of elected executives, I don't see much difference between having a "meh" monarch serving for life vs a series of bought/paid for politicians of the same (or worse) quality.

If anything, maybe the monarch will learn and get better over time, and not having your position rely on election by gullible masses should make one less prone to selling out.
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Mk17 (ID: 571f0d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398296

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>>398294
>having a constitutional monarchy
You did not specify a sub variant of monarchism, which im not convinced is even a word tbh haha.

I think a representative republic with no term limits would be just as effective in the way of aquired leadership skill, with the advantage of you can replace bad actors.
That is more or less how the house and Senate are set up in the US. There are plenty of pseudo tenured representatives.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398297

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>>398296

It is a word.

>I think a representative republic with no term limits would be just as effective in the way of acquired leadership skill, with the advantage of you can replace bad actors.


This doesn't resolve the issue of susceptibility to corruption via the need to be reelected (and thus needing powerful "supporters" for your campaigns), if anything it makes it worse as now those bad actors can just continually shill for life for whoever paid to get them in power.

Term limits are a necessity in republican systems precisely for this reason. A monarch is far less susceptible to this because their position is secure regardless of the lack of support of special interest groups.

Mk17 (ID: 571f0d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398300

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>>398297
Correct that they don't need support from special interest groups to maintain their position, but they also dont need the support of their constituents, which means they are free to persecute or worse, do nothing at all aside from live their own life off the taxes of the citizens.
You can have a faux monarchist society like the UK where technically the figurehead is a monarch, but no actual meaningful work is done by them, but rather elected representatives, but then, thats just a roundabout way to the system we already have.

The problem with monarchy is there is no way to change the system without violence. You can say constitutional monarchy, but constitutions are hardly worth the paper they are printed on if there is a pinnical of power that keeps the military happy.
Not to mention, monarchs are beholden to keys of power and special interests, no person rules alone, so corruption i feel is no more minimized or maximised under monarchy, its just its outside any influence of the peasantry.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398359

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>>398300

>but they also dont need the support of their constituents, which means they are free to persecute or worse, do nothing at all aside from live their own life off the taxes of the citizens.


Apparently this is not different from the system we have now.

>You can have a faux monarchist society like the UK where technically the figurehead is a monarch, but no actual meaningful work is done by them, but rather elected representatives, but then, thats just a roundabout way to the system we already have.


Or something in between where both have power, like the pre-cucked British monarchy.

>The problem with monarchy is there is no way to change the system without violence. You can say constitutional monarchy, but constitutions are hardly worth the paper they are printed on if there is a pinnical of power that keeps the military happy.


Not true, a legislative body that holds the monarch accountable can also force them to abdicate if necessary. Of course, this should be difficult to do, but then so is passing any amendment as it is.

>Not to mention, monarchs are beholden to keys of power and special interests, no person rules alone, so corruption i feel is no more minimized or maximised under monarchy


Much less so, if they are free to act as they know they need to for the good of the country and are unburdened by obligations to shadier types.

Anonymous (ID: 19ee20)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398369

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What about naboo-style election of a lifelong monarch?

Mk17 (ID: 571f0d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398371

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>>398359
>Not true, a legislative body that holds the monarch accountable can also force them to abdicate if necessary.
So you still have an elected legislature that holds equal power with the monarch, so you still have the problems you talked about concerning special interests corrupting the system. Again, it just seems like a roundabout way to the same system, only with one branch of legislature holding a lifetime appointment, which you already said term limits were a good thing in an elected system.
>if they are free to act as they know they need to for the good of the country
They would be acting in a why that is for the benifit potential ousters. They would still be susceptible to coupes.
Even in a monarchy, institutions, commercial, corporate, military, and otherwise still hold the actual power.
If the right treasure isnt going to the right people, expect your reign as monarch to be short.
Much like socialism, there is a lot of assumption that the people in control will have a benevolence for it to work as smooth irl as it does on paper.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398374

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>>398369

Depends on how it is elected

>>398371

>equal power to the monarch


I didn't say this.

>They would be acting in a why that is for the good of potential ousters. They would still be susceptible to coupes.


Sometimes you need to be able to tell the mob or the corrupt politicians that they don't know shit or are just flat wrong, and to go stuff it.

>Even in a monarchy, institutions, commercial, corporate, military, and otherwise still hold the actual power.


Depends on how things are set up. This doesn't diminish the utility of the monarch though.

>Much like socialism, there is a lot of assumption that the people in control will have a benevolence for it to work as smooth irl as it does on paper.


The problem is that even without the supposed "need" to rely on the benevolence of elected officials, it works absolutely no better and can be worse as now these bad actors derive their legitimacy from "the people" by virtue of having been elected by them. A poorly acting monarch can be judged on his/her own merit without being able to deflect the blame onto anyone or anything else.

Mythix !wG1CV58ydQ (ID: ea38bc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398383

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Capitalism is better.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398385

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>>398383

They're not mutually exclusive.

Mk17 (ID: 571f0d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398388

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>>398374
So if the legislature isn't on equal footing as the monarch, exactly how do they "hold them accountable and force them to abdicate"?

Your still making a large assumption of benevolence, its not likely the monarch would tell people they absolutely need the support of "screw you guys, im doing it my way, im for the people" and even if one did every few generations, they wouldn't last very long. Im not saying they would be a total evil ether, but they are going to work with the people that maintain their power for them, above all else, or lose power.
>A poorly acting monarch can be judged on his/her own merit without being able to deflect the blame onto anyone or anything else.
They sure can, but of no consequence, until bloodshed.

This conversation has become cyclic.

Mythix !wG1CV58ydQ (ID: ea38bc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398389

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>>398385
That’s good, I don’t know much monarchism. When I hear monarchism I think castles and kings, but having castles does sound cool.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398393

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>>398388

They hold certain powers while the monarch holds others. It's not "equal" or "unequal", they're fundamentally different branches of government.

>its not likely the monarch would tell people they absolutely need the support of "screw you guys, im doing it my way, im for the people" and even if one did every few generations, they wouldn't last very long


It has happened more frequently than you think, and they tend to last about as long as any other. I would EXPECT them to work with the legislature and the people, but to also be capable of doing what needs to be done without being beholden totally to their whims.

>until bloodshed.


Sure, execute a monarch who violates the constitution, hold them to the highest standard of conduct and morality on penalty of death. Such an office demands it.

>>398389

Castles ARE cool.

Mk17 (ID: 571f0d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398395

>>398393
But you suggest that the legislature has the power to quell the decree of the monarch and if they have such veto power, then they are equal.
If the monarch has certain powers the legislature can't veto then the legislature wont be able to hold the monarch accountable as you suggest.
Sounds like a mess, and your being really vague.
Again, sounds like every argument I've had with commies where "it will just work".

A system where violent revolution and execution of the figurehead is the only means with which to balance out i would not consider "good" by any metric.

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Mythix !wG1CV58ydQ (ID: ea38bc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398400

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>>398393
If the lothric castle from dark souls 3 was made in real life, that would be pretty dope

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398431

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>>398395

I don't see meaningful change being enacted through the democratic process either at this stage, at least in this scenario only one person would need to die, if any.

Mk17 (ID: 073f71)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398432

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>>398431
Are you suggesting that our system has been socially or economically static, even in just the past 20 year?
If anything, i would argue that the system we have leads to to much change, as every 2-4 years we get more radical and philosophically opposite leaders.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398433

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>>398432

It has been static for large segments of society, yes.

>too much change

>We get more radical

A consistent leader would eliminate this problem.

Mk17 (ID: 073f71)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398434

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>>398433
For example?

>A consistent leader would eliminate this problem.

Yes, which is an argument that i made, and its a problem you have with democracy, exacerbated by monarchy.
Thus, if you oppose our system because of the lack of meaningful change, you wont be doing yourself any favors by installing a monarch.

Though im sure im about to find out how a monarchy will simultaneously enact sweeping change while also solving the problem of sweeping change.
Its convenient how it has the answer for everything.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398435

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>>398434

The rich get richer while everyone else stays the same or gets worse.

>Though im sure im about to find out how a monarchy will simultaneously enact sweeping change while also solving the problem of sweeping change.


It can be whatever it needs to be.

It's convenient that way.

Mk17 (ID: 073f71)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398437

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>>398435
>The rich get richer while everyone else stays the same or gets worse.
This is a complaint as old as civilization itself.
Which monarchy has solved this, exactly?
I would argue even some of the most destitute in our country are richer than the middle class of 2 generations ago.
Except maybe on the west coast.

I mean, people on welfare are conserned about which $600 game system and 120 game to go with it to buy next.

>It can be whatever it needs to be.

>It's convenient that way.
Its crazy how many ideologies can solve all our problems, yet here we are.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398439

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>>398437

>This is a complaint as old as civilization itself.


And unable to be solved by the current system.

>Which monarchy has solved this, exactly?


Which democracy has? Which republic has?

>I would argue even some of the most destitute in our country are richer than the middle class of 2 generations ago.


The same could be said when monarchical systems were in place, it isn't relevant to the problem.

Mk17 (ID: 073f71)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398441

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>>398439
>And unable to be solved by the current system.
Or any system that has yet to be dreamed up it seems.
>Which democracy has? Which republic has?
Which monarchy has?
You're just being factitious now, this will probably be my last post iit.
>The same could be said when monarchical systems were in place,
Yes yes.
I've already proven you wrong, because there is no good or evil inherent in monarchy, its wholly dependent on the people running the system.
I tossed you a bone and got a cyclic, useless "nuh uh" waste of time convo in return.

Anyway, goodnight.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398443

>>398441

>I've already proven you wrong


Nyet. You have made no criticism of monarchy that cannot be applied to republicanism/democracy.

Mk17 (ID: 073f71)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398444

>>398443
That wasnt your request.

You said "monarchy is good, prove me wrong".

You've been proven wrong, even with your own statements of corruption being "less likely" prove that there is no inherent good in monarchy.

You're honestly just pissing me off now tbh, but at least doing me the favor of reminding me that my normal choice of not engaging in threads like these is the better choice.

I honestly expected a genuinely interesting convo from you, but was treated to intellectually divoid 5 word sentences.
C'est la vie.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398445

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Mk17 (ID: 073f71)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398446

>>398445
I know, and its my fault not yours.
I just get extremely frustrated when people argue for the sake of it, if it just to be annoying like a toddler and not to explore some kind of devils advocate.

The guy from the Monty python sketch was a willing participant, and i was dooped.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398447

>>398446

Did you not see Mike's thread? This was clearly made to shitpost against that.

Mk17 (ID: 073f71)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398448

>>398447
I saw it, and specifically avoided engaging it for this exact reason haha. I just figured with you, at least maybe it would be an interesting convo of the pros and cons of different systems, which is why after a few joke posts i gave you a legit reply.

Idk man, you messed me up real good haha.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398450

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>>398448

I was content to continue an endless string of "ok" until the thread died. It's what I was expecting.

I wouldn't start a thread in earnest with "prove me wrong." If you see me do that, you're heading into a bamboozlin'

Mk17 (ID: 073f71)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398451

What if a monarch were to act in this manner?

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398452

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>>398451

Man is entitled to his fun.

Mk17 (ID: 073f71)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398453

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>>398450
Noted.
A new experience.

Tbh, i know im being a little bitch here haha. I've been concealing a substantial existential crisis the past few days and the pointlessness of this exchange i think just exacerbated it.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398454

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>>398453

You good?

Mk17 (ID: 073f71)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398458

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>>398454
I dont know, tbh.

I mean, yes i will be at some point, but im just sorting through choices and trying to choose between an endless amount of paths to take.

Idk what i want from my life, and im running out of time to figure it out and still be able to do anything worth while.

I keep fucking myself over for my own ideals and principles, and have nothing to show for it but a regression in status and quality of life.

I wish i could go through the motions like everyone else rather than living my life like its some kind of experiment, because ill never be able to do anything with the information i gain anyway, ill just be dead.
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Mk17 (ID: 073f71)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398460

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It's really hard being the protagonist of reality sometimes.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398461

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>>398458

>Idk what I want from my life

>im running out of time to figure it out

Some people never figure this out, and that's okay. People far older than you are now have discovered their calling and done great things. You have more time than you might feel you do.

>I keep fucking myself over for my own ideals and principles, and have nothing to show for it but a regression in status and quality of life.


Depending on what you mean by "fucking yourself over", this might be the better choice. If you do what you know is wrong just for material or social gain, you won't be any happier with yourself. It seems like a lose-lose situation sometimes but when you remember you're not in competition with anyone else, not really, the only thing that matters is how you feel about how you're doing.

>I wish i could go through the motions like everyone else rather than living my life like its some kind of experiment


Life is an experiment. Some people know exactly what they want to do and spend their life tinkering away with that singular plan. Others want a bit of everything life has to offer. There's no shame or fault in either way of living.

If you've hit a funk, maybe you just need to reassess what you're doing *right now*, not question your entire existence as a whole.

Mk17 (ID: 073f71)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398465

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>>398461
Wise words, and and healthy reminders.

Its one of those situations where, whatever choices i make, there runs the risk of serious regrets about the other.

I need to slow down is what i need to do, and stop trying to force outcomes, but rather let things play out and give nudges where appropriate.

Its like anything else, the harder you try to work against the flow, and the more you overthink, the more likely it will be that you crash or be swept away by the current.

I think its just been really fucking hot, and that has lead to bad sleep quality, and anxiety.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 5e73e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398466

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>>398465

In the battle between a rock and a river, the river will always win. No matter how big or obstinate the rock is, even a great boulder, it will erode and be washed away.

Swim in the river, don't try to change it.

Mk17 (ID: 073f71)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  398467

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>>398466
It would be a lot easier if the choices in optimal long term goals i have weren't so diametrically opposed.

Ether way, i need to go to bed for real, i have plans at 8am.
Thanks for the philosophical boost, sorry about being a little bitch earlier haha.

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>>398467

You're fine, let me know if you need help figuring things out.

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Good for what?

Heredity monarchy made sense back when access to information was vastly more limited than it is now thus necessitating half a lifetime of training and education to have even a vague hope of not cocking it up within the first 15 minutes of having the crown plopped on your head.
Today, with education and information being vastly more evenly distributed and accessible it is not only unnecessary but far more likely to be a detriment as it only takes one Caligula or Nero to ruin everything. Especially if you give them unrestricted access to weapons of mass destruction.


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