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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid:   392187[Last 50 Posts]

#Politics
Do you believe in/endorse democracy? To what extent should people rule themselves? If you don't, what is your alternative?
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Tracer Bullet (ID: 1cb3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392189

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It exists.

Enough.

Not, I guess.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392194

>>392189

What is enough

Tracer Bullet (ID: 1cb3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392195

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>>392194
An extent that is adequate.

Anonymous (ID: 13423d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392197

I believe in me, and subjugating everyone else to myself.

(ID: 4cd1ca)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392204

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i believe in a magical unicorn

🦊!smiles.Drs (ID: bd64f4)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  392208

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Democracy? Depends on how you define it I guess.

The people should always hold the majority of the power, and the Government should fear the people.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392212

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>>392197

Tough sell.

>>392208

That's why I asked about the extent to which people should rule themselves.

>The people should always hold the majority of the power


Even if they are stupid?

Anonymous (ID: 13423d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392223

>>392212
toughcel




this is my self-identity now

🦊!smiles.Drs (ID: 66682d)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  392225

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>>392212
Something something people were always stupid, something something the role of the government is to abide by the will of the people something something.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392227

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>>392225

Yeah sure, but, do people need to have that much direct control to have their will represented? Is their will always prudent to follow?

🦊!smiles.Drs (ID: 66682d)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  392232

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>>392227
It is an objective good for the Government to bend to the will of the people since the people is the will of the nation - which a non-tyrannical Government claims to represent.

The will of the people is not always prudent, but that's not the point.

Mk17 (ID: 3b5b46)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392234

>>392187
>To what extent should people rule themselves?
They should have to provide their own food or starve.
Land should be free and grocery stores illegal.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392235

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>>392232

If the will of the mob will lead to the destruction of their liberties, is it really in their interests to listen to them?

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392236

🦊!smiles.Drs (ID: 66682d)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  392238

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>>392235
This is why I said it depends on how you define "democracy" in my original post. There should be safeguards against total mob rule.

Also I do believe in the Citizenry taking on threats directly.

Mk17 (ID: 3b5b46)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392239

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>>392232
>It is an objective good for the Government to bend to the will of the people since the people is the will of the nation - which a non-tyrannical Government claims to represent.
What if the will of the people is to ban the word nigger?
I feel like thats not something you would be so shruggie about.
Its your favorite.

>>392236
The spicy hot take of the troo born.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392242

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>>392238

So how much say should they have? Direct democracy to vote on everything? Electing representatives to do it for them? A simple right to petition unelected leaders?

🦊!smiles.Drs (ID: bd64f4)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  392246

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>>392239
Actually nigger isn't my favorite. It's just the one that upsets people the most lately.

It's an objective good for the Government to listen and follow the demands of the people, but it's also objectively bad to institute speech restrictions based only on perceived offense. I would hope that the people would commit to things like Civil measures in order to insure that the law is essentially unenforceable or that the culture changes to get over the so-called offense.

>>392242
I can't say. I favor the American System, but everything will have it's flaws.

(ID: 4cd1ca)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392248

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representative republic (like our system of government) or direct democracy have their equal flaws

but a representative republic has more plus sides when the federal part is out of the system

as i usually go on about

the federalists were wrong and the anti-federalists predicted everything to the T

Mk17 (ID: 3b5b46)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392250

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>>392246
>It's just the one that upsets people the most lately.
Do you enjoy upsetting people?

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392251

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>>392246

What do you see as the flaws of the American system?

>>392248

>when the federal part is out of the system


So centralization is the problem for you?

(ID: 4cd1ca)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392254

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>>392251
correct

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392255

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>>392254

So what happens when you decentralize it, neuter the federal government? Normally it ends up like the Articles of Confederation.
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🦊!smiles.Drs (ID: bd64f4)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  392256

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>>392250
I enjoy pointing it out when people let a single word control their emotions, so to an extent.

>>392251
I suppose the easiest example to point to would be that Senators don't have term Limits.

(ID: 4cd1ca)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392258

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>>392255
correct

and the articles of confederation being a failure was more or less a meme

surely, you wouldn't be against france being independent from the EU?

actually, hell, the EU itself is a confederacy
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392259

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>>392256

Is that all?

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>>392259
As I said, I favor the American System so I don't tend to remember all my complaints about it.

The fact that every system has it's flaws is just a truism, and so it doesn't really matter if I can specifically name them right now or not.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392262

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>>392258

I assure you, the failure of the articles is no meme. If the goal is a coherent country, it failed to create one. Everyone printing their own currency, ignoring national laws, inefficiency...no, the Articles were a disaster that nearly ended the United States in its crib.

That is, unless your goal is not to create one country, but to have many de facto independent nations loosely coordinating, when they feel like it.

>>392260

So what is it about term limits?

Mk17 (ID: 3b5b46)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392263

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>>392256
Why is how other people feel so important to you that you feel the need to manufacture a situation that upsets them?

(ID: 4cd1ca)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392265

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>>392262
the only reason anyone had an issue with the articles of confederacy was because many states didn't want anything to do with the war for independence

the constitution itself wasn't even fully ratified until much later after the war was over

and the states were doing just fine for the most part

id have more faith in federalism if it wasn't trampling over the 10th amendment on a daily basis

federal supremacy is a thing and you know it
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🦊!smiles.Drs (ID: bd64f4)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  392267

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>>392262
Term limits would be a strong way towards trying to maintain new blood, and people arguing from ideals and for their constituency instead of just maintaining their own power. But I suppose that's just my opinion on the matter.

Right the other complaint would probably be lobbying, but I don't pretend to be knowledgeable enough to have an entire conversation on that.

>>392263
Important? It's not important for me to make others feel uncomfortable with my language, but I do derive a certain amount of enjoyment. It's also not particularly hard or taxing for me.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392269

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>>392265

>the only reason anyone had an issue with the articles of confederacy was because many states didn't want anything to do with the war for independence


All of the 13 participated, the war had little to do with the failure of the articles as it was in effect for nearly a decade after the war had ended.

>the constitution itself wasn't even fully ratified until much later after the war was over


Yes, because they needed to replace the articles of confederation after nearly a decade of ineffectual governance.

>and the states were doing just fun for the most part


They were not, many were in debt and others simply did whatever they wanted whether it was good for the country or not. If the goal is a coherent country, the articles utterly failed at doing it.

>>392267

What's the stop the new people coming in from being susceptible to lobbying? If anything having your position dependent on being elected by the masses seems to invite lobbying.

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>>392269
That's actually the reason why I remembered lobbying while writing my last post.
I suppose this would be the reason why I think lobbyist spending and whatnot should be massively limited in order to insure that Government isn't simply being bought. I do wish I was more educated on this particular subject and maybe when I have some extra free time I will read up on it more.

(ID: 4cd1ca)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392272

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>>392269
alright fine, i can accept that

i am willing to learn

but even you have to admit that federalism majorly flawed

even the very constitution that i meant to limit the powers of the federal government doesn't even stop it

why should anyone have faith in it?

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392273

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>>392271

But isn't lobbying just the people expressing their desires to their representatives? Is that not part of their self-rule?

I'm totally going to pick at everything no matter what, I'm not trying to pick on you.

>>392272

Yes, it is flawed.

>why should anyone have faith in it?


Good question, hence this thread.

(ID: 4cd1ca)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392274

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>>392273
okay so why is the 10th amendment so much ignored why the federal supremacy?

it is listed in article 1, section 8 the amount of powers congress has (which isn't much)

why is the federal government so over bloated then?

there is no damn need for the ATF, FBI, NSA or any federal policing at all

this was de facto intended to be left to the states

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>>392273
Oh it's fine, it's one of those things where I openly admit to my ignorance, so I don't really feel embarrassed. I'll try to engage, but it is what it is.

To what extent of the lobby spending is it the people versus just particular industries trying to use it's buying power against the people? That's not to say that small business and businesses in general shouldn't have a voice, but it's important to qualify voice through voting - which is what our system is supposed to function from - as opposed to a voice through buying power. Ideally I would like no money in government outside of required spending.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392277

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>>392274

Federal supremacy exists to keep the states from ignoring the constitution. The states are not allowed to ignore federal law. This is what is supposed to keep places like the South from discriminating against the newly freed blacks during Reconstruction, for example.

The fact of the matter is that if the states are left to their own devices entirely, none of them will respect the rights of the people as enumerated in the constitution.

>>392275

So the wealthy shouldn't be able to use their wealth to support their favored candidates? Or collaborating citizens?

(ID: 4cd1ca)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392278

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>>392277
what good is that when the federal government doesn't respect constitutional limitations either?

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>>392277
They could hypothetically use their wealth in order to run advertisements for the points they want to pursue and whatnot, but it shouldn't be a collaborative effort between them and the candidate themselves.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392280

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>>392278

Good question. But that federal government is a result of the people electing those who corrupt it, so can the people really be trusted to identify who is and is not worthy of serving?

>>392279

Should the candidate not have a say in said advertisements? What happens if people start running ads that have false information or make promises on behalf of a candidate they don't know about?

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>>392280
Then the Candidate should disavow. People should also be making advertisements on principles and points more so than just "support x for y reason".

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>>392280
also a good question

im not saying the federal government is always wrong

its not, it had its full right to kick the souths ass and end the CSA and slavery

i just have an issue with it these days on how intrusive it really is considering rights

that being said, it has impressed me with the whole COVID-19 pandemic

has been mostly hands off

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392283

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>>392281

Allowing people to run ads without consulting the candidate seems like it is liable to run into problems.

If lobbying is essentially petitioning a representative about an issue, is that not what representative democracy is all about?

>>392282

So what about that question? If the people elect those who then go on to abuse the system (often with the support of their constituents, who frequently demand those acts that violate the rules in ways that suit them), are they not demonstrating a lack of ability to rule themselves to such an extent?

(ID: 4cd1ca)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392284

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>>392283
well thats another general issue i have with federalism

it seems to be a "one sized fits all" kinda deal, you know?

policy that effects all states when it may work for certain parts

that and senators hardly even listen to their voters as is

and changing law at the federal level is very very difficult

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People are like caged mice. They need structure and someone to make sure their needs are met, but if they ever realize they are being cared for they will revolt and try to break everything.

So you have to not let them know you're doing it. Every human wants to break out of the cage until they realize the cage is what keeps the tigers out.

Mk17 (ID: 3b5b46)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392312

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>>392267
Sorry, fell asleep.

Fair enough then, the 100 post crusades you go on anytime someone asks you to stop saying nigger sure makes it seem like its important to you.

It dose confirm something I've suspected for a long time though, its probably not your language that gets you banned from places, its your personality.

AustroSpike (ID: b40934)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  392322

I condone democracy.
>To what extent should people rule themselves?
To the possible maximum.
>If you don't, what is your alternative?
In this day and age I don't see why our democracies couldn't be handled by a very small set of powerful laws with very wide if not global range, and put in the trash the gazillion detailed rules about petty shit and let people figure those details out among themselves.

Neppy!DESU/dTf9A (ID: e57670)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392384

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and then you kill the TIgers and teabag them, just for being assholes.
That's what it is to be human,

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>>392312
I mean you can try to twist it, but the places I've been banned from are normally full of people acting much worse than myself.

Also the hundred post crusades are when I'm arguing principles, and principles are important to me. I've never gotten into argument on this site just because I said the word nigger.

Mk17 (ID: e537d3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392407

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>>392404
Fair enough, its just weird that a lot of people here can say nigger and they dont have the problems.

So, it cant be the word, so it might be the enjoyment of making people upset. People dont like people who enjoy upsetting them, reguardless of how they do it.

Its just a theory though.
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>>392407
Except when I was never banned from here just for saying Nigger.
The two times I was banned from here was overturned shortly afterwards as well.

When I was banned from the outerheaven discord it was because I had a meme as my profile picture, and I only ever made a post or two in the discord at all. GA can confirm this if you'd like. We both laughed at it back when it happened. This was my profile picture.
https://memestatic1.fjcdn.com/comments/+_72493153ae5ec0f36763a53032ce53bb.jpg

When I was banned from the BurgerTown discord (the other pony one) it was because I posted a racial meme in a channel full of people that hated capitalism, called for the deaths of groups of people while trying to say it's all a joke, called everyone racist, denied biological sex, E ct. I never while I was there called anyone a slur - as far as I can recall - but I was perpetually called things like Uncle Tom and whatnot. This was the meme. You can confirm this with Tracer or Irish (if he ever posts here).
https://uploadpie.com/AcQlzn

When I was banned from /aneki/ it was because the Admin at the time, BadFox, had a history with me and held feelings over a relationship that was dead a long time ago. I asked him simply to keep our history to ourselves and he instead tried to ban me. People took issue with this and created a new board for us to post on. You can confirm this with Tracer.

Most other platforms I've used never banned me.

It's almost like there is nuance surrounding the events in my history and making statements like that misrepresents it.

Mk17 (ID: e537d3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392416

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>>392409
I never said you were banned from here, i said you were banned from many places, and that your always having a problem here.

Also, we've already theorized its not the word, its you, so telling me all the other reasons is pointless because they just kind of back up my theory.

>When I was banned from the outerheaven discord it was because I had a meme as my profile picture

I bet it was a lolcat right?

>When I was banned from the BurgerTown discord (the other pony one) it was because I posted a racial meme in a channel full of people that hated capitalism

To piss them off, yes. Also, i know racist commies so anti racism and communism dont go hand in hand. Actually most commies i know are racist and just use race to divide.

>When I was banned from /aneki/... romantic history

Fair enough.

Point is, if you cause a problem intentionally, you cant then turn around and play the victim talking about principles and free speech and shit.
Your like a protester that throws a rock at a cop then gos "oh oh oh! Police brutality!" When they get tear gassed haha.

Thats why you (and "anons") cant say nigger without causing a fuss, but tracer, me, neppy, mythix ect.. can, because its obvious when your doing it your just doing it to cause a problem and not just joking or trying to change the lexicon or using it as a term of endearment. You just like drama.
So quit acting like such a nigger, faggot.
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>>392416
Fucking lol

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>>392416
>Fair enough, its just weird that a lot of people here can say nigger and they dont have the problems.
That post implies that I had issues with this site.

>Also, we've already theorized its not the word, its you, so telling me all the other reasons is pointless because they just kind of back up my theory.

I'm adding context to show that my behavior wasn't particularly bad, and that you're attempting to frame my history incorrectly.

>I bet it was a lolcat right?

You could just click the link. It's an anime girl with the Crusader meme.

>To piss them off, yes. Also, i know racist commies so anti racism and communism dont go hand in hand. Actually most commies i know are racist and just use race to divide.

Right because I'm supposed to sit there and smile when people are calling me an uncle tom and fascist, but I can't post a meme that doesn't even contain any vulgarity. And in this server they all act as though everything is racist. My point is that my behavior in the discord didn't warrant a ban, and I was targeted for wrong think. That is a fair complaint.

>Point is, if you cause a problem intentionally, you cant then turn around and play the victim talking about principles and free speech and shit.

If my "problems" aren't violent, harassing, fraud, or true threats then yes I can "play" the victim when I'm banned for thought crimes.

>Your like a protester that throws a rock at a cop then gos "oh oh oh! Police brutality!" When they get tear gassed haha.

I'm sorry are you saying obscenities are the same as throwing rocks? I know that you got a hard on for moderation and the subjugation of thought, but come on. Maybe you should rethink your position a bit.

>Thats why you (and "anons") cant say nigger without causing a fuss, but tracer, me, neppy, mythix ect.. can,

<When I do the thing it's good because my friends like me and when you do it you should be punished because people don't like you
That's literally the same argument being presented here. Either it's okay for everyone to say everything or it's not okay to say anything offensive. Saying offensive things to make people confront why it offends them is fine. Otherwise we couldn't argue against religion or debate culture issues. All of these things are equally as offensive and important.

>So quit acting like such a nigger, faggot.

You first you fucking Glow in the Dark CIA Nigger.

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>>392421
You do you then.

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>>392422
Gladly.
I'm glad that we can both agree that protection of free speech is paramount, and that it can be practiced in ways we like and dislike all the same.

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>>392424
I just dont feel like arguing with you.

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>>392425
Oh so you disagree with the statement? The one that goes: "I'm glad that we can both agree that protection of free speech is paramount, and that it can be practiced in ways we like and dislike all the same."

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>>392426
As much as i appreciate it, you dont have to go through the trouble to prove my "its you" point haha.

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>>392428
You initiated this entire conversation with me and tried to put down my character as some sort of bad actor. Me asking a direct question of your principles is very fair.
How about you answer the very simple question in front of you. Do you believe in defending Free Speech even if you disagree with the Speech?

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>>392421
i am still low key kinda sad that terry a. davis passed away

because despite as insane as he was

he was actually super intelligent with computer science

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>>392435
Illnesses of the mind are some of the worse out there because it doesn't just attack your body but destroys who you are at your core. I do feel bad for Mister Davis, but there was nothing that could be done for him it seemed. It's a real shame.

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>>392436
yeah, the last i heard is he ended homeless and ended up being struck by a train or something

it's sad

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>>392429
I didnt say your a bad actor, i just find it amusing when you say your the victim when you do shit to purposely make people angry.

I would defend your right to not go to jail for saying a word, yes.

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>>392439
wanna know who else was a bad actor? adam sandler

not even he gives a shit about his own movies!

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392441

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>>392284

So what is the solution?

>>392287

So do you believe in democracy or just keeping an illusion of it?

>>392322

>petty shit


Problem is not everyone will see them as petty.

>possible maximum


Even if they are wholly uninformed and lack foresight?

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>>392441
it's actually a very easy solution

read the constitution and abide by it's rules

obviously as you and i both know

politicians don't do that these days unless they're rand paul who at least tries to make an attempt at understanding it

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>>392440
Yeah, but thats what made them funny.
Like Billy Madison was great because you could tell they were just fucking around haha.

Click was pretty stupid though.

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>>392442

>read and abide by it's rules


So how do you ensure that happens?

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>>392443
billy madison was hilarious

the "back to school" song was funny as hell

Billy Madison - Back to school

>>392445
you can't

this also part of the issue with democracy itself

people sometimes vote for morons that dont bother to understand anything about constitutional limitations

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2ca286)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392449

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>>392448

So at what point do you decide people are too incompetent to choose their leaders?

>vote for morons


This isn't the real problem, the real problem is that they vote for people who AREN'T morons, but malicious and manipulative.

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>>392449
>So at what point do you decide people are too incompetent to choose their leaders?
i don't know

im gonna be 100% real with you

i don't know

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>>392439
>I didn't say your a bad actor
But you did here >>392416
>Your like a protester that throws a rock at a cop then gos "oh oh oh! Police brutality!" When they get tear gassed haha.
Not even to mention this entire conversation where you characterize me as simply a person trying to piss people off for my own enjoyment. While there is an aspect of that it isn't the totality of why I use that language. As I said earlier I also use it because it gives me a chance to point out when people are letting words control their emotional state and whatnot.

>you say your the victim when you do shit to purposely make people angry.

I say offensive thing, but that does not justify my censorship. Or do you think "Cancel Culture" is a good thing? It's gonna lead to a lot more censorship than just the naughty words.

>I would defend your right to not go to jail for saying a word, yes.

That is the bare minimum, but I'm glad that you defend that much.
Would you defend my right to not be attack'd by a mob if I decided to burn a flag?

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>>392454
What kinda flag we burnin' here? French, Austrian, Isle of Man? Very important

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>>392456
South Korean Flag actually.

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>>392457
Worst Korea than, I'll bring the accelerant as long as I can throw a Tannu Tuvan flag on top

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>>392454
>you characterize me as simply a person trying to piss people off for my own enjoyment.

>>392250
>Do you enjoy upsetting people?
>>392256
>I enjoy pointing it out when people let a single word control their emotions, so to an extent.


>>392267
>I do derive a certain amount of enjoyment.

I didnt "characterize" you haha. I asked you directly, and you said yes you enjoy it. So forgive me for taking you on your word.

You on the other hand
>>392426
>Oh so you disagree with the statement? The one that goes: "I'm glad that we can both agree that protection of free speech is paramount, and that it can be practiced in ways we like and dislike all the same."
Did actually accuse me of something without getting an answer. Which i didnt and wont pull out the victim card for.

>I say offensive thing, but that does not justify my censorship.

It does when you're saying it in a private place that you dont own, absolutely.
>Or do you think "Cancel Culture" is a good thing?
Cancel culture only works because private organizations bow to the demands of a minority, which they have every right to do.
I dont take part in it, no, because i think its dumb, but hey, the people who do are just expressing their freedom of speech.

>Would you defend my right to not be attack'd by a mob if I decided to burn a flag?

What kind of question is that? A mob dosen't have the right to attack you, regardless of the circumstance.
So if the question is am i in favor of legalizing mob vigilantism, the answer is no but i dont see what barring it has on this conversation.
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>>392459
>I didnt "characterize" you haha. I asked you directly, and you said yes you enjoy it.
<I enjoy pointing it out when people let a single word control their emotions
I like how you greentexted that main portion of the answer, but that isn't what you mentioned in most of the rest of the conversation. That portion is more important than just upsetting people to me.

>Did actually accuse me of something without getting an answer.

I asked you a direct question after you made it sound like we weren't in agreement with the statement. You failed to answer that question repeatedly. Me asking you a question directly on whether or not you support a statement isn't the same as accusing you of taking a stance, it's trying to figure out from you what your stance is.

>It does when you're saying it in a private place that you dont own, absolutely.

Legally the owners can do what they want, but it directly conflicts with the ability of people to discuss topics on a website that is entirely focused on discussion. Furthermore, my comments don't "justify" my censorship. To justify something is to show that it was correct. Censorship is never correct with the exception of some very rare circumstances, and engaging in a political debate isn't one of those circumstancing. Censorship is one of the great evils of humanity.

>I dont take part in it, no, because i think its dumb, but hey, the people who do are just expressing their freedom of speech.

The calling for other's to be silenced shuts down free speech, not expands on it.
They can engage on it, but this is why I want more stringent protections for the Freedom of Speech, and for our Government to recognize these Modern Public Forums to insure our rights aren't eroded.

>What kind of question is that?

I'm trying to understand your position and to see when you believe it's okay for people to be censored.

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>>392461
>That portion is more important than just upsetting people to me.
Right, but your still willingly doing things that upset people, and enjoying it, even if you think your doing it for aulturlist reasons first, and the enjoyment is just a fringe benifit.

>>392461
>I asked you a direct question
It wasn't, it was an accusation with a question mark at the end. Thats why "direct question" is its own category here. Direct questions dont start with "So you think" which isnt inquisitive, they start with "DO you think" which is.

>Legally the owners can do what they want

Glad thats settled.

>The calling for other's to be silenced shuts down free speech, not expands on it.

Calling for others to be silenced is free speech. To not protect it because its not agreeable would be awfully unprincipled.
Calling for it to happen is free speech, a private organization obliging the request within the bounds of their property is sovereignty and the government getting involved is socialism.

>I'm trying to understand your position and to see when you believe it's okay for people to be censored.

I've told you, on private property.
Websites and communications platforms are private property, even if you personally wish they weren't.
You cant say "you cant say X on the internet" but you can say "you cant say X on my server".
You as an individual have every right, and are afforded the opportunity to go make your own platform, and run it any way you wish.
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Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 693d56)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392464

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Girls, girls, you're both pretty.

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>>392464
But i have better hair.

No one is mad here, that im aware of.

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>>392465
I've seen both, both are good.

My mistake then.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 61879b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392467

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>willing to erode the 1A and 2A in the name of "democracy"

>"free speech doesn't matter if it's not the government doing it"

>"yeah just ban things lmao they'll stop going for your guns then"

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>>392467
I feel like that was directed at me.
Do you need to practice to get to that level of passive agression, or is it a natural talent?

Do you think a group of muslims with bull horns should be able to go into a Christian church durring a wedding reception and start telling everyone they are going to hell for being married under the wrong god?

Do you think convicted Muslim rape gangs should be armed?
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>>392469
I believe every single citizen is entitled to be armed in any way they deem sufficient.

The former problem is cleared when armed churchgoers remove the kebab.

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>>392471
So murder to shut down free speech should be legal, powerful take.

I guess you answered smiles question about if a mob should be able to attack her for burning a flag.

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>>392463
>Right, but your still willingly doing things that upset people, and enjoying it, even if you think your doing it for aulturlist reasons first, and the enjoyment is just a fringe benifit.
But you phrasing it as if it's just something I do out of pleasure is mis-characterizing my position and actions. When you're going to go ahead and say someone is a bad actor it's important to try and at least characterize them correctly.

>It wasn't, it was an accusation with a question mark at the end.

<Oh so you disagree with the statement?
Excuse me but no. Most people would understanding that as a qualifying questions. Since your post about now wanting to argue would lead someone to believe that you disagreed with the statement.
The use of "so" and "do" are relatively interchangeable in this case, and you trying to make a point of that comes across as a bit pedantic.

>Glad thats settled.

Right, and I'm glad that 230 protections are being looked over and hopefully it's found that Twitter and Facebook can't just selectively censor on the platform.

>Calling for others to be silenced is free speech.

I never said it wasn't. I explicitly said that they could do that, but it's also true that their actions shut down free speech instead expanding it.

>government getting involved is socialism.

Also incorrect. It's within the obligations of the Government to maintain the people's rights. This is why we have court cases where private corporations were found acting as a sort of Governmental body and forced them to follow and recognize the rights of the people.
Though it sounds like you would tell me that Police and Firefighters are a product of socialism. LoL

>Websites and communications platforms are private property, even if you personally wish they weren't.

Yes, but we still have regulations on what owners can and can't restrict on their platforms. In fact court cases back in the 90's basically made it clear that either a Website would have to not moderate anything if they wanted protections as a platform. This was changed by Congress in a good faith hoping that the internet would grow. Now it's time to reconsider those changes.

>You as an individual have every right, and are afforded the opportunity to go make your own platform, and run it any way you wish.

That's cool. It would be great if the Left didn't constantly shut down upstart platforms that tried to fulfill that purpose.


I find it so funny how you seem adamant about how the First Amendment should just be eroded because you think it'll stop people from saying things you dislike, You Fucking Glow in the Dark.
Hopefully in 20 years I can appreciate the fact that Verizon allows me to say that I dislike my congressmen even though Twitter doesn't think my Social Credit Score is high enough.

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>>392472
>So murder to shut down free speech should be legal
...are you implying there's other ways to shut down free speech?

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>>392469
A wedding is a private event that needs an invite to attend, a Social Media platform works similar to a public park and calls for people to engage with others. It's not the same and you know it.

People can go to a Church and protest outside it's doors all they want. I'm sure the Muslims would enjoy that.
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>>392472
And the dune coons are infringing on the churchgoers freedom of religion.

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>>392473
>When you're going to go ahead and say someone is a bad actor
I didnt say your a bad actor, i just find it amusing when you say your the victim when you do shit to purposely make people angry.

>>392473
>Since your post about now wanting to argue would lead someone to believe that you disagreed with the statement.
Not in context. You wrote me a post, i replied, you inferred my motive, and i corrected you. You put words in my mouth, where ive only asked you your position.
I said "you do you" and you wrote a story around it, then i explained, no, i meant i didnt want to argue by that statement.
>Right, and I'm glad that 230 protections...ect
Yes, it might happen. If they can force a Christian baker to make a cake that goes against his religion, then they can probably do this too. But i dont agree with ether.

>I explicitly said that they could do that, but it's also true that their actions shut down free speech instead expanding it.

Then whats your point? Just decided to make that statment?
>It's within the obligations of the Government to maintain the people's rights.
No ones getting arrested for breaking twitters rules.
>Though it sounds like you would tell me that Police and Firefighters are a product of socialism.
Yes, they are.
>Now it's time to reconsider those changes.
You have every right to advocate for that.
> It would be great if the Left didn't constantly shut down upstart platforms that tried to fulfill that purpose.
The whole left? Geez.
How are they accomplishing that? Because it sounds like the government trying to shut down a private website for operating how they want, and i dont agree with that.
>First Amendment should just be eroded
Strawman. I dont think it should change at all, i just dont think the government should forcefully take away the sovereignty of private property.
>You Fucking Glow in the Dark.
>>392464
>>392465
Correction, she might be mad.

>Hopefully in 20 years I can appreciate the fact that Verizon allows me to say that I dislike my congressmen even though Twitter doesn't think my Social Credit Score is high enough.

You dont have to use twitter, and i doubt twitter could enforce any kind of credit system.
I would have made the argument that what im saying would mean Verizon wouldn't allow you to say that. Missed opportunity.


>>392475
All private places are invite only. Some have an implicit open invite, like a store or a website, but they are free to make the rules and kick you out if you dont fallow them.
And a Christian church actually does have an implicit open invite, 24hrs a day. Are you saying that your free speech can be silenced simply by not inviting you? Sounds like erosion accroding to you.
>People can go to a Church and protest outside it's doors all they want.
And you can protest anywhere you want about twitter, even twitter, unless your banned from twitter.

>>392479
How?
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>>392480
Yelling over a religious marriage ceremony is an attempt to suppress their ability to practice their religious traditions.

I can't go to a Ramallamadingdong service and start yelling that they're a cult led by a pedophile.

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>>392481
>Yelling over a religious marriage ceremony
I specifically said it was the reception.

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>>392482
The reception is still very much a part of the ceremony, just like the Mohammedans meal at their home after fasting.

Again, I can't just start saying they chose to not eat because a pedophile told them to.

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>>392483
No its not, often times its not even held on the property, and you can complete the Christian rite of marriage without having a party after, and not every reception is after a Christian marriage.

If a church holds a carnival, dose that make it a religious ceremony?
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>>392484
So the group eating breakfast after the baptism isn't attending a religious ceremony because it's not the literal action of being baptized despite it occurring later in the day with the same people in attendance as the ceremony and still on church grounds?

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>>392485
Answer my question first.

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>>392488
Is the carnival a fundraiser for the church itself or simply on its premise?

The former is a religious service. The latter is not.

A Catholic fucking an altar boy in the confessional is not a religious ceremony just because it happens in a church.

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>>392489
Fundraising is a religious sacrament?
Then my fire department is breaking the separation of church and state when they stand in the road with that boot.

And to answer your question, no, i dont think the reception of a baptism is part of the ceremony. You could have just inferred that from my stance about the wedding.

>A Catholic fucking an altar boy in the confessional is not a religious ceremony just because it happens in a church.

But apparently, if they are pimping alter boys to fundraise, it is.
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>>392490
>a church doing functions that allow it to continue to have service every Sunday isn't religious
Nigger, you're just retarded.

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>>392491
>Nigger, you're just retarded.
And you're in a corner.

Okay, so if any of that money is spent on the youth basketball league, its not a religious ceremony anymore?
Or like, whats the breakdown? Do you estimate the money made, and what percentage will be spent on charity and what percentage on keeping the church going? Or is basketball a religious sacrament now because they bought the uniforms?
Then do you set up free speech zones based on those percentages? Like, the tilt-a-whorl is a free speech zone, but the guess my weight booth isnt?

Also, what of the pimped out alter boys i mentioned? You are already in favor of shooting people to shut down free speech at a church carnival, so im curious what your take on that is.
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>Using false equivalencies in an argument

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>>392492
If you guess the right weight at the non free speech weight guessing booth, can they shoot you so that they dont have to give you a prize?

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>>392492
If a church runs charities and leagues, they are by definition religious charities and religious leagues. A church giving out canned beans to hobos doesn't make it a holy can of beans. A donation drive orchestrated for their food pantry is a religious function because it's affiliated with the church.

The YMCA is a goddamn religious organization but playing basketball on their courts doesn't constitute a religious activity.

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Alright, its been fun but i have to go to bed. Doubtful ill want to keep this going tomorrow after work, so get in ye last words.

Also, dont be mad, all im doing is using free speech to assert my principals at people who dont like them, having fun doing it is just benifit. What am I suppose to do? Just sit there while people say nigger and racist shit to be inflammatory?
It would be awfully unprincipled of those who do the same to take issue with it. And i didnt even call anyone a name haha.

G'night!

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>>392496
"Free speech" doesn't mean I can't still call you a fucking retard when you use said speech to say utterly moronic shit.

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>>392495
Ill give this a reply since i didnt see it.

Your moving the bar from religious ceremony, to a function held by a religious entity.

In the case of the wedding, the reception isnt paid for by the church, the church is rented for the reception, thus its being held by the private party as a function after the ceremony. They might want a Christian wedding, and a hindu or atheist reception. Not to mention, what of the muslims religious right to practice their religious protest, now your eroding their free speech AND they religious rights by murdering them haha.

But, since your stance is "kill people" i dont think we will reach common ground. Plus, im mostly just fucking with you.

>>392497
Correct.
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>>392498
>>392479
>And the dune coons are infringing on the churchgoers freedom of religion.
That was my assertion. You're the one that tried to say that anything not directly a sermon wasn't religious.

A militia gunning down towelheads at their mosque is infringing upon their religious freedoms; forcing them to leave your church while they quote a pedophile is preventing them from infringing yours.

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Sorry I was busy shopping.

>>392480
>I didn't call you a bad actor
But you clearly did when you tried to compare me to the Rioters. You can say that you didn't, but your own words betray you if a non-biased reader were to try and determine if you were calling me a bad actor or not.

>You put words in my mouth, where ive only asked you your position.

Once again, this is the complete opposite of what happened. You have been trying to attribute my motives to simply trying to upset people for some sort of pleasure, but me trying to ask for clarification on your stance is somehow putting words in your mouth?
I mean I find the accusation funny, but that's only because of how baseless it is.

>Yes, it might happen. If they can force a Christian baker to make a cake that goes against his religion, then they can probably do this too. But i dont agree with ether.

Yes we live in a country that has determined that a private company doesn't necessarily have the right to associate with whom they desire, but instead needs to serve the public without discrimination. Admittedly I think the principle is even more important when it comes to maintaining Public Forums and Free Speech into the modern era.

>Then whats your point? Just decided to make that statment?

I felt like it's important to say that while it's "Free Speech" in the literal sense to call for censorship it's sentimentally harmful to the concept of "Free Speech".

>No ones getting arrested for breaking twitters rules.

Yet. We've scene countries with less protections for Free Speech use Twitter and whatnot to arrest and fine it's citizenry.
The issue here is that it's not just about legal punishment, but the fact remains that Cancel Culture attempts to attack your life outside of just the Legal System.

>Yes, they are.

No they are not. Government spending is not just interchangeable with the term socialism.

>The whole left? Geez.

No, but you understood the point.

>Because it sounds like the government trying to shut down a private website for operating how they want

The Government had publisher and platform laws that already applied to websites, they carved out an exception to the rules for websites. Removing those privileges should be considered now that we've seen these websites grew the ability to maintain themselves.

>i just dont think the government should forcefully take away the sovereignty of private property.

Making sure that the Citizen's rights are protected isn't infringing on the sovereignty of private property when your "business" is operating a public forum.

>i doubt twitter could enforce any kind of credit system.

I was calling back to China, and we see China doing similar things already, and if given the chance companies would do the same here. We already see the use of Shadow Banning and whatnot to manipulate the narrative they want to cultivate.

>All private places are invite only. Some have an implicit open invite.

A business operating in the public has to accept the public unless there is specific regulations on whether or not the store can be entered. It's not exactly the same as an open invite. As someone who's family has a small business in NYC and other places it's never been looked at by us as an open invite to the public.

>And a Christian church actually does have an implicit open invite, 24hrs a day.

As a practicing Christian this is also completely wrong. Many Churches don't have a 24 hour open invite.

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>>392479
Maybe if we're lucky all the religious sects will kill each other off then we can be rid of this nonsense once and for all.

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>>392502
That would be optimal.

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>>392503
So much for sleeping.

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>>392503
>>392503
HOLY SHIT YOU'RE CALLING FOR THE KILLING OF RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. THIS IS OFFISIVE AND HATEFUL.
How dare you two sit here and call for the deaths of people just because they're religious.

I mean but the N-Word is bad though right?

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>>392506
It's only hate speech when it's talking negatively about minorities.

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>>392505
Im trying.
But im holding to my last word commitment.

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>>392507
What is a minority?
Honestly I hate that term since it's not like Whites are a true Majority. They're a majority in the West, how is that so bad?

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>>392508
Another wise decision not spurned from emotion.

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>>392509
>What is a minority?
Anyone not white.

>They're a majority in the West, how is that so bad?

Because 200 years ago slavery happened. Ignore that slavery happened the last 10,000 years and currently as well though.

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>>392511
No no, I understand how the term is used. I just think it's incorrect, but we're all basically forced to accept it's usage anyway.

Oh right that's right. The original sin of Slavery.
The bat that people will use to try and make people like me feel bad even though my family had nothing to do with that, and came to this country post Civil Rights.

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>>392510
Whats with you inferring my emotions lately?

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>>392502
The world needs less people anyways.

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>>392515
The world needs less religion.

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>>392512
Yes.

Yes.

It all makes sense if you don't think about it.

>>392513
I said your decisions weren't being fueled by an emotional source. Its simply obvious that wanting the last word is a logical and sound decision with a definite reward in the end.

>>392516
>Toy talks about religion again
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>>392511
>What is a minority?
<Anyone not white.
Interesting.....
I'm starting to question blacks who permanently bleach their skin.... Perhaps they recieve the same privileges too.

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>>392517
Obviously that's what I need to do. Just stop thinking about it.

Nah, fuck those Zebras, and Fuck Zebra's lives matter.
Those those assholes that looted my family's store and committed property damage. Fuck the Mayors who are letting this all happen.
I mean it's honestly like they want actual violence to start.

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>>392517
Oh, but i gave the last word to them.

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>>392520
Apathy will surely fix the problem.

Possible. If you can figure out a way the government can get money out of this.

>>392521
And then they replied back. Leaving them with the last word in the discussion.

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>>392522
Oh I don't think the violence will be coming from the Government.

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>>392522
I love it when a plan comes together.

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>>392516
Religion is kind of the only thing the post-nuclear holocaust world will have left.

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>>392525
Don't forget about war.

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>>392523
I used them as a placeholder. Whomever is making money off of this. Insurance companies, whoever.

>>392524
Saying you're going to bed to leave a discussion to make it seem you were in the right and you had no time for the others and then coming back 2 minutes later?

Weird flex but ok.

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>>392527
Well, the bed part i already admitted i flaked on.
I caught a second wind when i let the dog out, which is the fucking worst because i really do need to sleep.

But, i kept to my promise of giving the last word, thats all im saying.
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>>392520
>Fuck the Mayors who are letting this all happen.
>I mean it's honestly like they want actual violence to start.
Cheers to that.

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>>392528
You didn't give the last word, you just didn't reply to their last comment. Which means they have the last word.

Go to sleep.

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>>392525
I hope not.

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>>392531
>You didn't give the last word, you just didn't reply to their last comment. Which means they have the last word.
Wut

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>>392502
>>392530
And once religion is wiped out... We will have a one world government which is managed by an elite board of directors who are scientists, who will build our society like a circuit board, run it efficiently, and give everyone cybernetic enhancements...
Everyone will be happy....

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>>392534

Truly one of the worst things I can imagine.

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>>392533
......They replied to your argument, yes?

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>>392534
You ought to hang.

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>>392536
Yes.
After having been given advaced warning that i was extending the last word benifit.
That's why i reliped to gilg one last time after, because he posted while i was typing.

What they do with that last word is none of my business, aside to read it.
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>>392532
In a radioactive hellscape where life struggles to exist, I think finding god(s) would probably be one of the best things to keep them going, no different than early man.

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>>392532
This >>392539

Though, maybe not for a few generations.

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>>392534
I'm okay with this.

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>>392538
So you do in fact understand you didn't actually have the last word.

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>>392542
>So you do in fact understand you didn't actually have the last word.
Not only do i understand that i didnt have the last word, it was my plan all along.
I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
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>>392544
Despite saying multiple times you had the last word.

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>>392545
Show me.

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>>392534
>one world government
...no.

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>>392547
Why is everyone against this? It's like people LIKE fighting and world wars.

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>>392548
because centralization is pure cancer

expecting one government to rule the entire world isn't feasible in the slightest

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>>392548
Because it would never work, and people will have no actual say in their form of governance.

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>>392549
So you'd rather we just keep fighting each other until we kill ourselves?

>>392550
Says who?

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>>392549
That's because it has never been tried, smart guy.

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>>392551
well no

i would always prefer peace

but expecting one government to rule the world isn't going to work

>>392552
heard that before...

Anonymous (ID: 13423d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392555

We don't need atheism. We need syncretic/pluralistic heno/polytheism.

Thousands of gods, each presiding over some aspect of daily life or personal proclivity, and you pray to them based upon your occupation or your natural proclivities towards them. And no cosmic "God of Gods" or "The One" bs, they are all parallel to one another. One big thing that makes people hate religions is the attempt to separate "god" from the world by making him anti-world. "Religion" as a concept is a retroprojection of modernity and should not be used as a mass noun; most cultures started out with animistic rituals that tapped into their human natures instead of opposing them.

Universalism is the real great evil. There's no "common nature" we can all live in accordance with, our different natures are all opposed. The secret is to find a tribe of those similar enough to us and to self-identify with what we have in common. If you try to find commonality with the entire universe at once, you will negate the whole thing because it contains contradictions. That's why monotheism was a mistake. True diversity requires the divergent groups to separate themselves, not endlessly fuse things together until the lose their uniqueness.

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>>392551
Says the fact that we're already having these issues right now on much smaller scales.

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>>392546
>
>>392528
>>392521

Upon review of your post prior to this you said you were giving them the last word, which is a weird turn of phrase that my bran didn't register it. Apologies.

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As the leader of the Proto-Finnic Holy Roman Khaganate of Earth all will be peaceful or they will be shipped off planet

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>>392555
Religion is the placebo of the weak willed.

Also, that's how you die from the plague.

>>392556
I don't mean with any of our current government structures.

>>392554
>but expecting one government to rule the world isn't going to work

I don't see why it's an inherently bad thing if it could though.
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>>392554
We will have a one world government where everyone will cooperate in the economy for the greater good.... Everyone will be forced to apply themselves in the workforce in any capacity... young or old.... Advanced technology will make it feasible and A.I. will assist our elite board of directors in managing the globe.

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>>392559
What structure then?
I don't see how we would be able to get around this.

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>>392561
One that hasn't been developed yet.

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>>392559
i mean, it's not bad if works

issue is it wont work

>>392560
nah

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>>392564
>i mean, it's not bad if works
That's what I'm saying.

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>>392562
Still not going to sleep?

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>>392563
Ah. Well till then it shouldn't even be considered then.

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>>392564
Just as expected..... no reasonable counter argument....

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>>392565
agreed then

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>>392559
>I, who have had meaningful exposure to one religion at maximum, can say this with certainty of all religions, even those I've never even heard about.

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>>392567
You should always consider that which isn't known yet. That is how things become known. If you focus only on what is already known you will stagnate.

>>392570
Yeah, basically. Also, I've had exposure to quite a few. They all suck.
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>>392568
ahahaha

sorry

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>>392566
Neighbors started with the mortars.
Keeping dog chill.

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>>392571
>You should always consider that which isn't known yet.
That sounds like faith.

>>392573
Kill the neighbors.

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>>392574
>That sounds like faith.
No. Faith is believing in something you can't see without any proof.

Keeping an open mind is simply working on the assumption that truth is fluid and can change with every new discovery. Faith doesn't work on proof, it works on desire.

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>>392574
It would be more logical and immediately beneficial to kill the dog.

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>>392571
Ah pardon me for not being clear.
A one world government shouldn't be attempted to supported in any official capacity until we find a system that might actually work.

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>>392577
>A one world government shouldn't be attempted to supported in any official capacity until we find a system that might actually work.

Well yeah, obviously. I'm just saying that should be the goal. Not to stagnate as monkeys drawing lines in the sand forever.

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>>392575
Truth is a spook, and your own devotion to a caricatured version of "reason" fetters you from any of the possible benefits of magical thinking, which psychiatrists have attested are in fact a real thing.

You need to embrace the irrational in order to fully live.

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>>392577
An enemy from space would also do the trick.
I hedge my bets on the moon or mars declaring independence.

The moon will be most likely, as it will be a port of strategic importance, and vital resources.
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>>392579
No, because the irrational could be poisonous. Or toxic. It's better to put the irrational behind glass and study it from a safe distance until you can fully take it apart and figure out what makes it tick. Those that accept it with open arms simply become consumed by it.

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>>392575
Sure sure, keep your new religion to yourself.

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>>392576
I like your dog more than your neighbors.

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>>392582
You only get to call it a religion if I get a pass on paying taxes.

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>>392584
I can call it a cult too, if you prefer.

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>>392578
We all have views of progress, and I don't consider a One World Government as a good thing. So I respect your position, but I just disagree.

>>392580
That is most likely the case, but as soon as whatever threat is dealt with we'll see the resurgence of small splinter countries or whatnot.

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>>392583
I do to, but that would be an emotional choice.
The quickest benifit would be to kill the dog, and it would be a financially prudent choice as well as it would save me money on her care, and proved me with a weeks worth of meat.

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>>392584
wait, religion doesn't pay taxes

fucking based!

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>>392587
The neighbors would have more provisions and meat, as well as shelter.

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>>392588
Only if you're a recognized religion. Not that it's hard, but you can't just be a basement cult and you're suddenly a non-profit.
Also you can't be political if I recall.

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>>392586
>We all have views of progress, and I don't consider a One World Government as a good thing. So I respect your position, but I just disagree.

It will become a necessity. Once planetary colonization becomes normal it would be too impractical to separate each planet into different factions on TOP of each planet being separate. It's impractical.

It's the next step. You start as a single person, then you become a tribe, then your tribes becomes a city, then your cities becomes a territory, then your territories become a country. The next step in the evolutionary chain is that countries become planetary governments.

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>My thread about democracy turns into a religious shitfest

Atheism is how the degenerate manage to convince themselves they aren't bad people.

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>>392586
I imagine once the enemy is defined, it can be held in a state of perpetual war, like the war on terror.

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>>392592
Toybox and her religions man

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>>392588
>wait, religion doesn't pay taxes
Yep. Religious organizations can qualify for tax exemption.

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>>392595

Such fanaticism

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>>392589
But also families that will ask questions.
I can just say my dog ran away, and the fireworks themselves would be the perfect cover.

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>>392591
That is potentially 1000's of years away from now, so it's not exactly something I feel challenged by.

>>392594
It all really depends on the type of threat.
Since regardless of what the World Gov might espouse there is no reason for people to believe it if they don't see the actual threat.

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>>392597
She's dedicated to her faith I guess.

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>>392581
If you knew what the dionysian cults were like, I think you'd feel differently. It wasn't always just moralizing bullshit.

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>>392600

I've never seen such profound faith.

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>>392590
>Not that it's hard, but you can't just be a basement cult and you're suddenly a non-profit.
>Also you can't be political if I recall.

That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

Televangelists: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

Timestamped for relevance.

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>>392602
She must be the new prophet for her ideals.

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>>392604

The next Moses

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>>392603
Yes it's always made to look easier when you're an organization like HBO and a Successful funny man.
How about you do it yourself and prove the point.

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>>392605
John Smith

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>>392606
Because it goes against everything I stand for.

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I imagine it would be the coolest thing to be a rocket scientist and light incense to the God of Rockets before every launch. "Gods exist" wasn't a mistake, because "gods" with a small-g are just abstractions of real things. The mistake was an abstraction-of-abstractions, a "god of gods" with a big-G. Most people can't unite the whole world into one principle, without losing the beauty and nuance of the individual pieces.

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>>392608
Ah, but that's not really an excuse since you're simply proving a point instead of actually making a place of worship.
My point is that most basement cults wouldn't be able to get themselves to full Church status under normal circumstances.

Also the guidelines in making a Church a "Church" come across as simple because they have to make broad commonsense guidelines that doesn't come across as discriminatory.

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>>392609
Yeah, see the problem with that is that isn't how rockets work.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51602655

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>>392610
Tell you what. Take a drive down International Blvd. in Oakland and tell me it's hard to start a church.

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>>392609


> "gods" with a small-g are just abstractions of real things.


Where are you getting this?

>Most people can't unite the whole world into one principle, without losing the beauty and nuance of the individual pieces


The oneness of big-G God as the fount of all being is a beautiful thing though.
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>>392599
Its the perfect threat, a far away land that lacks easy communication to the earth.
After the rebellion is quashed, it will be kept as a despotic resource mill, where only the loyal are afforded a position above poverty.
False flags and a curation of narrative will keep people fearing the moon terrorists, and once in a while they may even pull something off, which will be replayed over and over and analyzed by "experts" who come to different conclusions for months to keep it fresh in the minds of the population.
An us vs them mentality will be easy to cultivate among the earthlings, and breed a new sense of patriotism toward the home planet.
There will be 2 major political parties to align under to keep the population devided and unorganized, while giving an illusion of democracy and control to the masses. The concept of a country will never be tought, unless it is in an approved manner, but enough information will be allowed to disseminate to allow for arguing among the population over whos history and truth is correct, thus ensuring they dont collectivise under shared philosophies.

The people who ignore it will have a comfortable life and will be able to take advantage of the spoils of the new order, and the people who dont will be treated to a constant bickering match with so many sides, that no one can take ground unless its an advantage to the government.

TL:DR life will go on as normal.
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>>392615

I saw, fixed it

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>>392611
It's how the mind works, though.

You don't understand history and you don't understand how animistic faiths started. Your understanding of religions come from an age when they've already degenerated from what they once were.
I'm too zonked to explain it in depth right now without sperging, but let what I've said be sufficient. You present more thought-terminating cliches than deep understanding on these issues. You're less qualified to speak on them than I am and I'm not deeply religious at all.

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>>392618
>You don't understand history and you don't understand how animistic faiths started.
Yes I do, actually. I am quite aware how they started, what they were started for, what their goals were, what their goals evolved into, and everything in between.

I've dissected religion down to it's fundamental roots and I know exactly how it works with the human psyche. That is why I have no use for it, and why I find it toxic. It is not a solution for anything, it is nothing more than a drug people use to cope with reality.
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>>392614
>The oneness of big-G God as the fount of all being is a beautiful thing though.

Idk. I've seen more destruction wrought by the notion we're all the same and should act the same, than by the notion that we're different and should count on our peculiarities. Universalism can be damaging.

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>>392614
>Where are you getting this?
The basis of most polytheism was to just explain the world so some sort of answer existed. It more focused on the "how" of the world, less of the "why" than monotheism.

In the most distilled, generalized view that is.

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>>392622
>The basis of most polytheism was to just explain the world so some sort of answer existed. It more focused on the "how" of the world, less of the "why" than monotheism.

Based and redpilled.

Good religion is not anti-science, it forms the foundation on which science is built. Only world-denying religion denies the science of that world.

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>>392596
based!

>>392590
awwww...

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>>392624
No, that's a bad thing. Religious organizations should pay taxes.

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>>392626
to an individual state i dont mind

federal? couldnt care less

let it rot

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>>392627
do you like firefly?

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>>392628
what is that?

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>>392621

>I've seen more destruction wrought by the notion we're all the same and should act the same


That's...not at all what the oneness of God implies. Unless of course someone wants to take from that fact that there's only one way to recognize God.

>>392622

It's some Varg shit to suggest that polytheists didn't believe literally in their gods and that they served just as some abstract representation of something known to be real.

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>>392629
it was an old show about settlers in space

the federals were the bad guys

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>>392631
nah, i havent seen it

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>>392626

Why?

Making them pay taxes only dissolves the barrier between church and state and gives the state the power to destroy religions on a whim. Don't think that the separation is to protect the state from the church, it's to protect both from each other.

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>>392634
>Making them pay taxes only dissolves the barrier between church and state and gives the state the power to destroy religions on a whim.

Because anyone who accepts income needs to pay taxes on it. If you want to do it your way, then churches can no longer make income. That's how it goes. Right now they are a money sink that damages the economy. On top of that, the way they are designed makes them super easy to abuse. It's an economic loop hole that needs to be plugged.

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>>392630
Neopagans are retarded for many reasons but the whole "gods as not literal entities" is kind of in line with roughly the time of Charlemagne. Some of the pagan Germanic groups tended towards "gods as concepts" sort of shit where the reverence was for the gods' domains, less the absolute belief in them.

Though most of the time and groups yeah, thought the gods were definite entities.

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>>392635

>Because anyone who accepts income needs to pay taxes on it.


Okay, so you want to tax all non-profits then, good to know.

>Right now they are a money sink that damages the economy.


Except that isn't true.

>It's an economic loop hole that needs to be plugged.


Not a loophole, it's deliberate because it is constitutionally required to maintain the church/state separation and allowing the government to tax/regulate churches violates that and is thus, unconstitutional. Like it or not, that's the breaks and I'm glad it is.

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>>392637
>Okay, so you want to tax all non-profits then, good to know.
More or less.

>>392637
>Except that isn't true.

The economy works by circulating income. When that money goes into a place where it can no-longer circulate, it starves the economy.

>>392637
>Not a loophole, it's deliberate because it is constitutionally required to maintain the church/state separation and allowing the government to tax/regulate churches violates that and is thus, unconstitutional. Like it or not, that's the breaks and I'm glad it is.

Okay, then we need to stop using a bible to swear in presidents and when in court.

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>>392638

>The economy works by circulating income. When that money goes into a place where it can no-longer circulate, it starves the economy.


The money does get recirculated though?

>Okay, then we need to stop using a bible to swear in presidents and when in court.


It's already not a requirement and isn't done if the person being sworn in doesn't want to.

The first amendment doesn't prohibit the inclusion of religious items in such things, the first amendment prohibits the government from inhibiting anyone from freely practicing their religion (which taxation would do) or from playing favorites. A Muslim politician could be sworn in using a Quran and it would not be a problem and an nonreligious person could be sworn in using a book of law. It's literally their choice.

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>>392640
>The money does get recirculated though?
Not really.

>>392640
>It's already not a requirement and isn't done if the person being sworn in doesn't want to.

Good to know. At least that's one thing they don't have a strangle hold on. Now to just get them off the other shit.

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>>392642

>Not really


Do churches spend money? If yes, then the money gets recirculated as much as anywhere else. Stop letting your bias get the better of you.

>At least that's one thing they don't have a strangle hold on. Now to just get them off the other shit.


They aren't the monolithic juggernaut you think they are. Believe it or not the government is shitty even with minimal religious influence.

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>>392646
>minimal
That's not a word I would use to describe it.

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>>392648

Because you want to believe that the big bad Christians are actually the reason why things suck.

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>>392649
Not JUST them.

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>>392651

Religion is far down the list of why shit is terrible, m8

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>>392653
I'm going to say that observation is biased.

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>>392654
couldn't the same be said for you in all fairness?
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>>392654

Biased in what sense? I don't belong to any of them. I can look at this more objectively than you can because I'm not predisposed against them either.

Anonymous (ID: 13423d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392657

Ladies and gentlemen, Secular Puritanism.

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>>392655
Perhaps. However when I look at the laws that are being assigned to this country and the people in charge of them, all I see are people who want to push puritan views.

>>392656
>Biased in what sense? I don't belong to any of them. I can look at this more objectively than you can because I'm not predisposed against them either.

Because you inherently think religion is a good thing and I would go so far to say you believe it's necessary.

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I have an idea for a new religion.
It has a very strong core principle that we should all follow:

Toybox is wrong on everything.

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>>392658

It can be good, and often is. It's less necessary than inevitable.

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>>392661
That's already a popular one here, you're late to the party.

>>392662
>It can be good, and often is.
Would you say the same thing about being drunk?

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>>392658
i will will fully agree that puritan views are lame as hell

but is that really just a religious thing in general?

>>392663
>Would you say the same thing about being drunk?
oh i wanna know this too!
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>>392663

No, because being drunk physically harms you, all the time, always. It cannot be said that faith does.

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>>392664
>but is that really just a religious thing in general?
That is literally where it comes from. Do you want to know why it took so long for gay marriage to be legal? Because religious people thinking their religion trumps people's rights. It's the same song and dance over and over. At the heart of every push against personal rights, there's a religion at the heart of it.


>>392665
>No, because being drunk physically harms you, all the time, always. It cannot be said that faith does.
I mean it can be. You just won't agree with it.
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>>392666
>666
heh

anyway, i see what you're saying here

but i am pretty sure not all religion follows a puritan form, right?

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>>392666

The only distinction that needs to be made is that being drunk is ALWAYS harmful, faith is not. It is good as often as it can be harmful at the very least, if not mostly good.

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>>392668
Oh, not always. But it's almost always oppressive.

Islam is oppressive in it's own way. As is Judaism and Hinduism. Hell, even Shinto is very big on traditions and rituals that embed themselves into popular culture.

The only one that I can say is probably least oppressive is Buddhism, but that religion is basically just about stagnation. It's inherently self-destructive.

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>>392668
Hell, you do know that the KKK is a religious organization, right? Baptist, I think.

So is the Boy Scouts of America. Protestant.
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>>392671

>tradition and ritual = oppression


Imagine unironically believing this.

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>>392676
If you are forced to abide by the rituals or traditions, that qualifies as oppression.

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>>392678

Most religions are voluntary, if you choose to be part of it you choose to participate.

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>>392681
Oh the religions themselves are, sure. It's when the people who are part of the religion start making laws by using their religion as a framework. That's where the oppression sets in.

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>>392671
that kinda seems off...

>>392674
okay sure, but that doesn't group all sectors as the same thing


unless i am misunderstanding you

which is very likely

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>>392682

That's only an issue if the culture values a separation of religion and the state. If the people choose to mix them, it is not oppression.

You brought up Shinto as an example. Shinto is infused into the very heart of Japanese culture, not everyone takes it seriously, but they choose to continue doing it because they value the preservation of their way of life and traditions.

Believe it or not, most people enjoy having a connection to their people and past.

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>>392683
>okay sure, but that doesn't group all sectors as the same thing
>unless i am misunderstanding you
>which is very likely

What I'm saying is that there are a lot of religious organizations that don't advertise themselves as such. This is how they manipulate the secular parts of the country. They know that the secular population won't follow their religious beliefs if portrayed as such outright, so they create organizations that pretend to be something else to entice the secular people and indoctrinate them by simply replacing any religious sounding words with secular ones. That way they can implant the ideals even amongst the non-followers. Even if you consider yourself an atheist and secular in general there is a good chance you've inadvertently served the church at some point, they are very good at that.

Hell, despite the fact that there are more than 10 Amendments to the constitution the first 10 are in something called the Bill of Rights, specifically to separate them into 10, so that they closely mimic the 10 commandments. The idea is to get the population comfortable with a 'rule set of 10' so they can more easily swap the two out on the fly and people will be less likely to notice. I wouldn't be surprised if there's at least a small section of the population that thinks the Bill of Rights ARE the 10 commandments. Not many though, granted. You'd have to be a really backwater bumfuck to hit that mark. Wouldn't surprise me if they exist though.

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>>392685
i mean, the reason why there is only 10 0n the bill rights is because that is what was ratified

so anyone who thinks it is related to commandments is wrong

hell, they're rights and not commands at all

which i know you know this

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>>392687
It's all about the symbolism, Mikie.

Like slowly boiling a frog so it won't jump out of the water.

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>>392685
I'd go so far to say that SJW'ism is basically a religion, or at least has many characteristics of a religion.

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>>392690
Less religion and more fanaticism.

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>>392689
>Like slowly boiling a frog so it won't jump out of the water.
ah, so federalism in a nutshell

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>>392692
What I mean is that they get you accustomed to the symbolism and the traditions to the point where they are just normal things for you and then they slowly start to seed in the religious values in such a way that you don't notice until they own you.

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>>392694
religion is the least' of my worries

big government is what smells the worst

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>>392695
Why do you think that is, Mikie?

I'll give you a hint: Find anyone in big government that is being a shit and then google what their religious affiliation is.
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>>392695
>big government is what smells the worst
I hate anarchy.

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>>392698

Define "being a shit"

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>>392698
1. Incredibly subjective
2. You can't ascribe their issues and stances directly to their faith because of the wide differences people with the same faith will vote

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>>392703
I'm letting Mikie define that, since he's the one that is talking about them being shit.

>>392704
>You can't ascribe their issues and stances directly to their faith because of the wide differences people with the same faith will vote

Watch me.

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>>392661
Wouldn't the entire foundation of that religion fall apart if....idk
An extent of education beyond Youtube was applied?

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>>392706
I mean sure you "can" but do you feel smart doing so?

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>>392698
isn't entirely relevant, really

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>>392711
No. There are many factors at play though and every one should be taken into consideration. Is the fact that someone is christian the reason they are a shit person? Absolutely not. However one should consider how someone can justify to themselves to be a shit person but also hold that sort of conviction.

My main beef with religion, and all aspects of Christianity for the most part stem from the arbitrary nature of it. The rules are arbitrary. And if they aren't arbitrary, more often than not they are used as an excuse to do shitty things.

Yeah, sure they can do drives for the homeless and 'charity work' but so did the Nazi's to drum up support. That doesn't mean anything. My biggest beef is the fact that there is no good reasoning behind the rules they make up beyond 'because you're told to". That doesn't fly with me, it never has and never will. If you want me to follow your rules, give me a practical reason for it, don't just threaten me with eternal damnation or try to tempt me with eternal paradise. I'm not that easily manipulated.

If that's the game you want to play on your own time, feel free. I don't give a rat's ass. You try to bring any of those practices into law though (Which many already have and still exist) that is when I have a problem.

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>>392715

>The rules are arbitrary


No they're not, you just assume they are because you disagree with them and as such don't bother to look into why they exist.

>more often than not they are used as an excuse to do shitty things.


Subjective, what you consider shitty someone else will consider positive.

>Yeah, sure they can do drives for the homeless and 'charity work' but so did the Nazi's to drum up support.


Are you seriously comparing Christians to Nazis? Godwin's Law at its finest.

>My biggest beef is the fact that there is no good reasoning behind the rules they make up beyond 'because you're told to".


Wrong again. You've just never bothered to understand why.

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>>392818
>Godwin's Law at its finest.
Before the nazis, wasn't it the romans that everything got compared against? I cant think of anything in between that had such an impact on political culture in the west.

Like, i remember my dad saying that the romans were pretty much talked about like the nazis are today in his catholic school.

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>>392828

I don't think so, everyone always larped as or wanted to otherwise emulate the Romans for millennia, almost nobody wants to be like the Nazis.

But then, they did kill Jesus, so that would make sense in your dad's situation.

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>>392830
Yeah, that was the thing, they killed jesus. So like, yeah, leaders wanted to be like the romans, like Napoleon, but like average people didnt like them because the Christian chrurch didnt like them. Thats the impression i got anyway.

Ether way, i cant think of much between the romans and nazi Germany that really had that kind of impact on western society, where like, every conversation if gone on long enough would refer back to them.

>nobody wants to be like the Nazis.

Thats arguable.
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>>392831

>almost


And I don't think the church really disliked the Romans, after all the church was functionally a part of the late Roman government. They really shifted the blame to the Jews hard.

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>>392839
>after all the church was functionally a part of the late Roman government
Exactly, which is why i never quite understood. Maybe it was a "the romans sucked until we got involved" thing?

Especially since it was an Italian ghetto, at least in my dads case, you'd think they would be more all 'bout dem romans haha.

Also, i wish you took me up on that argument. Barring the intrusion of a bunch of ideologues that make it hard to talk about these things, I think everyone wants to be like nazi Germany, even if they hated the ideology, it went from being economically broken and utterly neutered to a world threatening industrial and technological powerhouse in a very short amount of time.
I think 1950s America took a lot of inspiration from them. The biggest difference being we were economically booming and didnt need to scapegoat anyone. Plus, our political system was very different and its would have been harder for one man to have so much micro management power.

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>>392843

>Exactly, which is why i never quite understood. Maybe it was a "the romans sucked until we got involved" thing?


The early church had a love/hate relationship with Greco-Roman culture. They loved philosophy insofar as it could be used to understand God, and were happy to accept imperial sponsorship and use civil buildings for their congregations (basilicas, anyone?)

If anyone wants to be like the Nazis, I think they keep that on the down-low if they're not retarded.

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>>392830
The third reich was an exact implementation of Nietzsche's philosophy. Nietzsche loved the Romans.

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>>392845

>exact implementation


Not quite. The Nazis fundamentally misunderstood Nietzsche. They left with the /pol/-tier understanding of it, but missed the parts where Nietzsche directly contradicted their ideology.

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>>392844
Fair enough, about the romans. Still, leave open the question would fill the roll in so far as godwins law between the 2.

Also, maybe your not understanding me, there were parts of nazi Germany that had nothing to do with the core ideology, that the US and russia took inspiration from.
Don't just see the word "nazi" and roll it all into one thing.
Interstate highway systems, a push for stem field education, national pride campaigns, funding of scientific endeavors ect.. the whole culture of the 1950s where news reels would teach you everything from how to clean your ears properly, how to date, how to eat to how automatic transmissions worked and how to spot a commie haha, a lot was heavily influenced by what the US learned about nazi Germany.
There is no such thing as good and evil, so you can look to your enemy and see where they have had success structurally and emulate it, without needing to adopt their philosophy or ideals.

>>392846
Just had this convo. The nazis didnt give a fuck about Nietzsche beyond that he was a celebrity they could use to validate themselves to self proclaimed intellectuals.
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>>392848

Well yeah, the US and USSR were happy to take advantage of their accomplishments, but I don't think they cared for the ideology.

Who doesn't want to borrow the advancements that others worked so hard for?

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>>392851
>but I don't think they cared for the ideology.
Right, thats why ive made this clear at least twice now.

There are 2 sides to the coin of how government structure operates. There is the ideological side, and there is the engineering side that actually has to keep things running correctly.
Nazi Germany did a good job of turning around the economy, getting people on the same page, setting up good infrastructure, training and educating people, ect...
Those kinds of things weren't motivated by ideology, you could plug almost any ideology into the political slot, but the actual functionality of a well organized situation like that is run by folks who could care less about an ideology beyond "eh, thats neat".

Its like, are you a part of the political ideology that happens to run your city right now? Is the school department you work for, no, your concerns are just making sure things run smoothly in your classroom regardless of the ideology in power.
And i dont mean, what you teach, i mean how you teach it. Thats the separation, the nazis may have taught garbage, but they taught it well.
So, what country wouldnt want to emulate the parts that worked but are ideologically neutral?
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>>392852

>Right, thats why ive made this clear at least twice now.


Yeah I get that.

>Nazi Germany did a good job of turning around the economy


Superficially, I think. Their system was destined to collapse if they didn't keep expanding militarily.

>So, what country wouldnt want to emulate the parts that worked but are ideologically neutral?


None, I think.

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>>392858
>Their system was destined to collapse if they didn't keep expanding militarily.
Okay, so maybe some things we took didnt work out so well haha.

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>>392864

MILITARY
INDUSTRIAL
COMPLEX

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>>392866
Eisenhower tried to warn us maaan!

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In all seriousness, "religion founded the bedrock of science" isn't just some trekkie retroprojection. Christian and jewish mysticisms started the tree-structure of scientific thought processes that'd later have their languages changed into something secular. The obvious difference between alchemy and chemistry is that alchemy used the language of theism, the "aspects of god," to name its proto-elements and their reactions. The dreamspace of the world was such that all aspects of life were tied to this religiosity, so it came naturally to do the same with their sciences, but the theistic "baggage" didn't hinder the sciences at all. A lot of the same people who did studies on the old kabbalist theurgies would later take this same knowledge and use it to found the bedrock of modern computing. It's easy to see how Theology, the science of determining the logic of god based upon the priority of statements attributed to him, lends itself to a style of thinking in conditionals that easily ports over to the logic of computer programming. Just look at Terry Davis. They are intimately linked.

Symbols are tools. If anything, it's the direction you go with your symbols that judges you.
If you say "heheh, god doesn't real" but you also subscribe to singularity theory or interstellar empire, you're imminentizing the Eschaton even if you're not calling it that. When you realize all our successes and failures are the product of impersonal forces, it no longer matters whether or not you literally anthropomorphize these forces, because this is at least how the Epicureans felt. They were slandered as atheists even though they didn't deny the gods at all. They just denied their involvement.

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>>392187
No.

>To what extent should people rule themselves?

As much as is possible. So long as you do not violate the rights of others, you should be free to do as you choose.
The only exceptions really are if you're either so messed up mentally that you're an active threat to others, or if you're doing something that causes damages to others like say dumping waste or some such.

>If you don't, what is your alternative?

As localized governments as is possible, with a strong constitution.

I long for the days of AI replacing judges. If we can get that, I think you might actually see a properly stable system, as justice and law is actually issued and decided on evenly and fairly, as opposed to just by the opinion of someone.

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>>392971
>If you say "heheh, god doesn't real" but you also subscribe to singularity theory or interstellar empire, you're imminentizing the Eschaton even if you're not calling it that.

Hi Robert Anton Wilson! I didn't know you posted here. Can't say I'm surprised though.


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