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(ID: 5cccf1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid:   391706[Last 50 Posts]

Mk17 (ID: d49310)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391713

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>>391706
I've been admitting that for like 9 years.

(ID: e132e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391718

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>>391713
yeah this

it's nothing uncommon

it's just sad

(ID: 5cccf1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391722

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>>391713 yeah but fans are admitting it now. it's official.
>>391718 edgelords gonna edge

(ID: e132e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391726

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>>391722
it's actually tamed down a lot than it used to be oddly enough

Anonymous (ID: 92c5b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391731

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Anonymous (ID: 92c5b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391737

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Anonymous (ID: 92c5b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391739

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Mk17 (ID: d49310)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391740

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>>391722
But im a fan, and i was admitting it then, too.

9 years behind the times, damn Lamestream media.

Also, I've never typed "lamestream" in my life, but it auto completed on my phone haha.

Anonymous (ID: 92c5b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391741

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Anonymous (ID: 92c5b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391743

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Anonymous (ID: 92c5b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391744

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Anonymous (ID: 92c5b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391745

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Anonymous (ID: fd430a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391756

>>391739
holy shit.

Mythix (element of psychological warfare)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 0175d6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391769

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Actual nazis or is it “everyone I disagree with is a nazi”?

>>391743
>>391744
Lol

Anonymous (ID: 952cc6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391779

Racism isn't nazism. If you're sub 130 IQ or you have any disability at all you're not a nazi no matter what you say. Nazism was more focused on pruning one's own race for blemishes than the supremacy of that race. The US was ethnonationalist too at the time of the second world war. So the question's irrelevant.


I wonder how many """"nazis"""" on the chanosphere are actually slave-moralists who don't understand the nazi philosophy at all as clearly demonstrated by the victimy martyrdom tactics. If you know anything about their morality it's absolutely never something they'd do. Nazis were chad bullies. Scrawny degenerate nerds can't lump into that no matter what they say about themselves.

!FGiFL0Ecls (ID: 4ebecc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  391805

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Its good when lolcows are reminded of what they are, especially when they normally lock themselves away in echo chambers that drive all of the dissenting opinions away

Anonymous (ID: 6ce14c)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391809

It really is a problem that has been running rampant since the early threads.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
There are people in the fandom who'd advocate these kind of attacks. It mortifies me that people could easily become radicalized by events like this.
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Anonymous (ID: 92c5b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391810

>>391809
>There are people in the fandom who'd advocate these kind of attacks.
Not even Mint would advocate for mass murder like that.

Anonymous (ID: 6ce14c)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391811

>>391810
I'm sorry but I don't buy that. Time is up when it comes to letting nazism off the hook.

Anonymous (ID: 6ce14c)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391813

But if anything, brexit was probably one of the worst racist spikes in the fandom.
More friends I knew turned out to be horrible, telling me that it's an opportunity to send people they don't like back home and take back sovereignty.
That really set me off.

Anonymous (ID: 92c5b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391816

>>391811
> sorry but I don't buy that.
Mint is a pretty peaceful person. He is not one to advocate for offensive violence, like just murdering innocent law-abiding people.

>Time is up when it comes to letting nazism off the hook.

Did I say anything about Nazism off the hook?
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Anonymous (ID: 6ce14c)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391817

>>391816
The nazis executed millions of jews. Even a slight hint of the ideology cannot be trusted. Maybe it's just me then.

Mk17 (ID: d49310)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391818

>>391810
Really depends on his mood.
He has a way of phrasing shit in a way that makes him sound innocent, while at the same time excusing violent acts, like he did with christchurch.

Other times, he would just flat out say black people need to leave his country or be shot if they refuse.

I really wish the phone i had with all the screen caps wasnt broke. Maybe my old old phone has some.

I dont think mint is a violent person himself, as in, i dont think he would commit an acr of violence, but i think he would cheer it on or call it a "neccessary evil".

Almost tempted to lift his ban for 24hrs on the condition he only participates itt, since everyone is obv going to talk about him.
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Anonymous (ID: 92c5b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391819

>>391818
>while at the same time excusing violent acts, like he did with christchurch.
He did what?? Really? I thought Mint was just like "I sympathize with the killer's motive, But it was still absolutely wrong for him to commit murder like that".

Anonymous (ID: bca95e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391826

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Is it really a problem?

Anonymous (ID: fd430a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391840

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well the show is pretty much dead.

Only peps that you're likely to find are racist, fetishers, and occasional oldfag.

Most of the good fans left.

Maroon Auburn!QEUQfdPtTM (ID: fa0ad2)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391901

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What definition of Nazi are we going for here? Which one are you on about?

The 'slightly right wing and anti immigration so therefore litteraly worse than hitler' kind

Or the 'Check out my sweet Swastika tattoo. Hail hitler! Poland should be wiped out, the jews in the camps and socialism for the masses!' Type?

Mk17 (ID: d49310)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391908

>>391819
>>391819
>Mint was just like "I sympathize with the killer's motive, But it was still absolutely wrong for him to commit murder like that".
Like i said, phrasing shit in a way that makes him sound innocent.
And iirc, he didn't think it was was wrong of the killer, i think he said it was in self defense of the white race, i think he just said he wouldn't do it himself.

Of course, his tune may have changed.

>>391901
>Check out my sweet Swastika tattoo.
☑ Had that person.

>Hail hitler! Poland should be wiped out, the jews in the camps and socialism for the masses!'

☑ had that person too.

And thats just here, just in the last year haha.

So I'm thinking the 2nd one haha.
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Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 28c9da)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391909

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>>391739
Outstanding.

Кiтту!KadyLuvzOQ (ID: 29c04a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391916

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>whistles uncomfortably
Uh ... Y-yea.... Them Nazis...
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Mk17 (ID: d49310)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391919

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>but often referred to on 4chan with a portmanteau of zebra and the N-word. “Beautiful,” one user responded to the image.

Hey!
Smiles and tracer made the news! Haha.

Anonymous (ID: 92c5b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391920

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>>391908
>And iirc, he didn't think it was was wrong of the killer, i think he said it was in self defense of the white race,
Eek! 😲

Кiтту!KadyLuvzOQ (ID: 29c04a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391921

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To be fair, the poster (no names mentioned) who was dumb enough to get a swastika tattoo also got it covered up shortly after.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 28c9da)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391928

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Mk17 (ID: d49310)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391929

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>>391920
Im though talking about him though, since its essentially behind his back.

>>391921
World keeps turning.

>>391928
All the hard work paid off.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 28c9da)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391931

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>>391919
>>391928
>Briefly read through it
Ah, evidently someone made an edit of the riots , and the two white guys going to space to involve zebras.

Sounds funny at least.

Mk17 (ID: d49310)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391933

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>>391931
I just thought it was funny because smiles always says "zebras" and you always give one word responses like "beautiful".

In fact, i think like a week ago she said it and you replied
>zebras
Nice.

Or something along those lines.

Im pretty happy this site wasn't brought up in that article. It pays to fly under the radar.

Maroon Auburn!QEUQfdPtTM (ID: fa0ad2)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391934

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>>391921

I mean getting such a tattoo is pretty much screaming 'please beat the shit out of me' to the rest of the world, so no surprise they covered it up

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 28c9da)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391935

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>>391933
Ah, I simply recall the word filter being zebra when referring to niggers. So it was mostly for nostalgia.

Mk17 (ID: d49310)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391936

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>
Had to stitch on the last couple of lines because his posts are longer than my phone.

>>391935
Thats fair, i remember that too.
Things use to be so much simpler haha.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 28c9da)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391937

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>>391936
Ahh the freedom of 4chan

Mk17 (ID: d49310)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391938

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>>391937
Word filtering is freedom?

I forget where, but there was a place that use to filter "rape" to "struggle snuggle" and i always found that amusing.
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Кiтту!KadyLuvzOQ (ID: 29c04a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391939

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>>391934
>>391934
>I mean getting such a tattoo is pretty much screaming 'please beat the shit out of me'
Maybe to a britbong, but some people where I am would actually support it.
We'll... There's a surprising number of supporters where I am, but I guess you're kinda right.

>>391929
That it does. That it does.
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Mk17 (ID: d49310)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391940

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>>391939
Why did you strike out what you said, then say essentially the same thing underneath it?

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 28c9da)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391941

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>>391938
It was a lot faster pace, anyway

Mk17 (ID: d49310)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391942

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>>391941
I'm too old for that shit.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 28c9da)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391943

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>>391942
Unfortunate.

Mk17 (ID: d49310)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391944

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>>391943
It'll happen to you.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 28c9da)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391945

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>>391944
>Happen

Mk17 (ID: d49310)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391946

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>>391945
Is that not how you spell it?

Кiтту!KadyLuvzOQ (ID: 29c04a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391947

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>>391940
>MFW
Lol~i dono
*Innocent shrug*

calling someone a "britbong" feels uncouth and aggressive so I redacted
I like maroonie tho
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Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 28c9da)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391948

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>>391946
I'm implying that it already happened.

Mk17 (ID: d49310)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391950

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>>391947
Britts aren't a protected class.

>>391948
Yeah, i got that after the fact.
Im just use to not being able to spell.

My be senility setting in.
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Кiтту!KadyLuvzOQ (ID: eb5bcd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391951

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>>391950
But I'm supposed to be nice and motherly! I can't be uncouth with my language, now can I?
>Pic related
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Mk17 (ID: d49310)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391952

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>>391951
I guess it depends on whos mom your basing it off.

Кiтту!KadyLuvzOQ (ID: 1a5f15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391953

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>>391952
If I was trying to act like my mother, I'd have said:
"go sh** in your hat"
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Anonymous (ID: c3f5d9)Country code: hk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391954

>>391817
>The nazis executed millions of jews.
>>>mentioning the holohoax
Found the rabbi.

(ID: 17563d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391960

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>using /mlp/ as your source material

Found your problem.

(ID: 5cccf1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391983

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>>391726 were you on mlpol at all?
>>391739 classic
>>391740 wake up, sheeple
>>391809 I think this has been going on for much longer than pony
>>391826 only if you care about normies
>>391840 I don't think it's in reference to a recent phenomena, but rather, the sum of events over time
>>391779
>>391805
>>391916
to be fair, Nazi has become a meaningless catch-all
>>391769
>>391901
people posted offensive things on Derpibooru

Anonymous (ID: 84124f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392003

>>391817
>The Nazi's breathed air

>Breathing is anti-Semitic

Anonymous (ID: 84124f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392009

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The holocaust was a lie and concentration camps were certainly no where near even close to death camps as the logistics behind mass execution would have far exceeded the constant front that Germany was pushing along so many boundaries of war at the time.

Before the end of the war there is even suggestions through photos alone that the Jews weren't starved at all, or even all that mistreated outside of being relocated after having warning after warning of being told to leave an area.

It wasn't until the end when Germany was drained of all its resources that not only the Jews in camps began to starve but the true people and soldiers of Germany as well.

The Jews that survived exaggerated and swindled their way into sympathy and free gives from the gullible nations around them, forcing Persians to leave their homes or face slaughter at the hands of armed soldiers and were given stolen land to them after all was said and done because nobody actually wanted to take in that many rats in their own country.

Mk17 (ID: 03f004)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392010

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>>392003
Are you arguing that executing jews isn't evidence of anti semitism?

I want to subscribe to your newsletter.

Anonymous (ID: 84124f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392019

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>>392010
>Even a slight hint of the ideology cannot be trusted.

>Are you arguing that executing jews isn't evidence of anti semitism?

Mk17 (ID: 03f004)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392021

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>>392019
>responded to a literal point about nazis exterminating jews with "nazis breathed air"

>moves the goalpost to "hint of ideology"

Mk17 (ID: 03f004)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392022

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Oh wait, nope.
Im the one who is wrong.

I just really wanted to use that koth picture i made.

Ether way, im not subbing to the newletter.

(ID: e132e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392024

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>>392009
reminder: it's people like you who made a lot users leave this place

wish people like you would go away tbh

Anonymous (ID: fd430a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392025

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>>392009
ehh 6/10

Anonymous (ID: 84124f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392026

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>>392024

The contents is completely relevant to the subject of the OP.

Unless you have an argument that isn't really relevant.

> it's people like you who made a lot users leave this place


People left this place for a number of reasons: growing out of the show, losing interest in the going on, drama and attention seeking, the loss of other posters, ect. There are other places to go and talk about ponies, and there are other places to fart around without running into people like you.

Anonymous (ID: 84124f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392027

>>392025

The best part is that when you look up pictures of the holocaust there are plenty of those where the 'victims' aren't scrawny, look well fed, and even in some cases kind of fat looking. I've even seen a picture or two where people in the background are smiling. That doesn't really seem like a death camp to me.

Mk17 (ID: 03f004)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392028

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>>392025
Really? Id have gone 5. It was too dry and lifeless. Bait should wiggle a bit ya know?

Is that swift the fox? Or is that the one from Franklin whos name i cant remember?

(ID: e132e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392029

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>>392026
i have no interest in making any sort of "argument" with you

i just wanted to let you know that factoid

Anonymous (ID: 84124f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392030

>>392029

It was a two parter.

(ID: e132e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392032

Anonymous (ID: fd430a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392033

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>>392028
I gave him the 1 point for actually typing it instead of copy and pasting.

Franklin, his name is Fox lol.

>>392027
You sure you wasn't looking at 2019 pics?

Anonymous (ID: fd430a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392034

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>>392030
Wait you copied?
Minus 2 points.

Anonymous (ID: 84124f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392035

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>>392021

>even a slight hint of the ideology


The ideology is Nazism, not just killing jews.

Anonymous (ID: 84124f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392037

>>392034

Reread.

Anonymous (ID: 84124f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392038

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>>392028

Is it really bait when it's something you've come to believe? I mean there just simply isn't enough evidence to really suggest that 4 million people were straight up executed.

Mk17 (ID: 03f004)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392040

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>>392033
>his name is Fox
Thats right!
Thats why i can never remember! Haha.

Like... "no feet" ill remeber that shit to my grave.

>>392035
See >>392022
Ya dingus

Anonymous (ID: fd430a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392041

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>>392037
ah my mistake.
You get your points back.
I'll even throw in half a point extra.

Anonymous (ID: 84124f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392042

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>>392040

Alright let's talk about the real issue here that need discussion.

What's so bad about Jews getting genocided?

The Jews own the media: Hollywood, news stations, various tabloids, and other platforms of such. They are the richest people despite being like 1% of the population, and have been known to be hated throughout the globe as well as throughout time.

Aren't we better off without them?

Mk17 (ID: 03f004)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392054

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>>392042
I wont fall for it, so dont even try.

Anonymous (ID: 92c5b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392055

>>392042
>They are the richest people despite being like 1% of the population,
A vast majority of Jews are not much wealthier than typical white people. It is only the super wealthy who distort the average.

> The Jews own the media: Hollywood, news stations, various tabloids, and other platforms of such.

Again, this is a tiny minority of Jews.
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(ID: e28790)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392077

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>>392009
This is flat earth tier.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 1b4514)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392080

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Kind of suspicious how all of the "death camps" and not just "work camps" were in the Soviet liberated areas when the Soviets themselves killed millions in the Holodomor. And there wasn't even an estimated 6 million Jews in German occupied zones.

Mk17 (ID: 560fc0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392082

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>>392080
I suppose if people were never rounded up and put into camps in the first place, no one would have to speculate.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 1b4514)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392086

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>>392082
Never forget the 16 gorillion that died in the Holocaust.

Anonymous (ID: f35990)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392089

>>392080
It's almost like you would have thought that an organization like that would have kept tally.

Anonymous (ID: f35990)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392090

>>392077
Really? Because you have absolute proof?

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>>392086
Sound advice.

Anonymous (ID: f35990)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392093

>>392055
Jews are white people, lmao. They come from the middle east you cow.
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>>392090
Do I need proof when there are people like you going, "Man. I hate Jews. We don't need Jews. I think if we just genocide all the Jews things would be great. By the way the holocaust didn't happen, no one would want to genocide Jews, that would be silly. But we totally should, though. Just saying."?
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!GiLgameShI (ID: 1b4514)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392100

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>>392089
You'd think with how meticulous they measured noses, they would have some sort of record of these people even existing.

Anonymous (ID: f35990)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392103

>>392099
Actually, you do. If anything you absolutely need proof with people like that.

Anonymous (ID: f35990)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392104

>>392100
It's almost like there have been records of executions happening.

Mk17 (ID: 2249d6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392107

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>>392100
Show me proof that there is no proof.

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>>392103
I think I'll pass on trying to be convinced of some weird conspiracy from someone who is pants on head retarded in their reasoning.

I like how you're trying to push the Narrative that the Nazi's hated the Jews a whole lot and had the opportunity to round them all up and kill them but they didn't because reasons, and instead just gave them all a spa day just because reasons.

I have seen less holes in swiss cheese.

Anonymous (ID: f35990)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392109

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>>392107

>I listened to American education

Anonymous (ID: f35990)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392110

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>>392108
As opposed to an entire population of white people nearly being brought to extinction with the number growing through the decades?

!GiLgameShI (ID: 1b4514)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392111

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>>392107
Prove to me that the Holohoax isn't disproven with proof that there's proof of it happening. Proof.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 1b4514)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392113

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(ID: e132e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392115

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...what the actual fuck?

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>>392110
A million people is not a lot when the world population is measured in billions.

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>>392111
Why dont you provide proof that proof of the proof that it didnt happen has actually been proven to prove your proof.

Anonymous (ID: f35990)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392118

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>>392113
>Survivors
>Raising

Lmao. At least niggers kill their own numbers off.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 1b4514)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392119

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## Admin (ID: 565316)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392120

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>>392118
Look, we get that you're an edgy racist, but I'm gonna ask you to not say shit like that cause it causes problems.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 1b4514)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392121

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>>392118
The outright youngest any survivor could be by then is 105 and that assumes they were born in a camp.

Anonymous (ID: 72206d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392122

>>392120
What problems? Explain. They are literally just words. Also, what exactly did I say that was wrong? Lastly, is it ban worthy? Because I don't really care unless it is. I'm trying to start a conversation, whether it is controversial or not.
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## Admin (ID: 565316)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392123

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>>392122
People reporting the post for being blatantly racist and then me having to ban you.

Anonymous (ID: 72206d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392124

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>>392123
Just because there are reports doesn't mean you have to listen to them. That is the beauty of moderation. You are a ref. Not a coddler. I am starting a conversation, whether controversial or not. If anything it can be fun. Play with me. Have fun, let loose and relax.

As to those reporting: eat a dick and stay in your safe spaces. Ef isn't one of them.
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## Admin (ID: 565316)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392126

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>>392124
Read the last line of the rules of the board.

>>131298
"Please refrain from using racially charged slurs in a blatantly offensive manner."

You can survive without the n-word. You're a big boy.
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Anonymous (ID: 72206d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392128

>>392126
I'm on the rules page and I don't see that anywhere even with Ctrl+F

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!GiLgameShI (ID: 1b4514)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392131

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>>392128
Its the sticky on the top of the board shes referencing.

Its the last line of the political tag tutorial, for some reason.

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## Mod (ID: e132e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392134

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>>392124
i dont think you seem understand

/ef/ has it's own unique rules that is outside of the universal site rules

among those rules is "Please refrain from using racially charged slurs in a blatantly offensive manner."

she can ban she if she wants you for that

i used to admin here for 3 years or so, i would know
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Anonymous (ID: 72206d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392135

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Oh wait. I'm in the wrong.

Sorry, Toy. I completely misread it all. Still that rule isn't about being racist, it's about using racist terms.

Fine, you got me.

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>>392135
If the rule were about being racist I would have already banned you. But yes, refrain from using racist terms, we're not 4 or 8 chans. You don't get points for using the N word.

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>>392136
You would have banned me? That wounds me, Toy. Is should probably add that you stanning lesser races doesn't earn you any either. This isn't tumblr or reddit, or facebook either.
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!GiLgameShI (ID: 1b4514)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392138

N

Anonymous (ID: f1c7e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392139

I

Mk17 (ID: afeb5c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392140

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>America breaks the chain

Anonymous (ID: f1c7e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392142

I guess we're the knights that say Ni.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 1b4514)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392143

>>392142
Or Alexis.

Anonymous (ID: f1c7e0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392144

>>392143
I don't get it.

(ID: 565316)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392145

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>>392137
There are no such thing as lesser races.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 1b4514)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392146

Mk17 (ID: afeb5c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392147

>>392142
There are worse things to be.

That was both literal, and a metaphor for ending slavory btw.

Woke
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Anonymous (ID: 72206d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392148

>>392140
Didn't america put on chains? Though I strongly suspect that wasn't the joke
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>>392148
I thought of the joke after i posted, so it can be whatever you want.

Its interactive!
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Anonymous (ID: 72206d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392154

>>392149
Nya nya, interactive!

Anonymous (ID: 952cc6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392172

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Oh my god guise, I think the jews did holocausts!

Mk17 (ID: afeb5c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392175

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(ID: e132e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392177

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serious legit question

why do these alt-right chuds hang around here anyway?

nobody besides themselves even want them here?

some of them being anon when everyone knows they're the same one who always spew the garbage

why do that? it's like going to a halloween party dressed as yourself
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vynn (ID: 8aea19)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392178

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>>392177
>nobody besides themselves even want them here?
Apparently not.

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(ID: e132e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392180

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>>392178
i wish they didnt post here...

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>>392180
You're the one that brought back the /ef/ tab.

(ID: e132e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392182

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>>392181
/chat/ existed here before /ef/ and had the exact same rules and were pretty much identical

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>>392182
I couldn't call someone a nigger and tell them to kill themselves on /chat/

(ID: e132e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392184

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>>392183
i literally copied and pasted the sticky from /chat/ to be for /ef/

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>>392184
Neat, I couldn't call someone a nigger and tell them to kill themselves on /chat/

(ID: e132e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392186

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>>392185
then you have never been to /chat/

https://web.archive.org/web/20160803001033/ponychan.net/chat/

read the sticky, dude

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>>392186
I stand corrected then.

(ID: e132e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392190

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>>392188
you really dont though

did you even bother to read the sticky?

>staff will only remove content that is illegal, improperly tagged or just plain spam, with everything else being free game.


i know you're smarter than that, dude

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(ID: e132e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392192

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>>392192
....Did you not understand the phrase?

🦊!smiles.Drs (ID: e20a05)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  392198

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>>392177
>why do these alt-right chuds hang around here anyway?
>nobody besides themselves even want them here?

I want them around, love. The same way that I want everyone to express themselves in their own way. Also alt-right lol
It's amazing how the media was able to twist the narrative to where the alt-right is just a bunch of nazi's and white supremacists now. I recall when it was just a group of people on the right that was sick of a weak republican party.

Anonymous (ID: 72206d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392199

>>392145
Except, yes there are. You probably being one of them considering you are arguing for it.

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>>392198
To be fair, the left is portrayed as soy boy pussys.

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>>392200
And yet when you look up the "Alt-Right" nowadays all you get is "white nationalism" and other such terms.
The term Alt-Right has essentially become a term similar to "Fascist" which I kinda find funny. The way Mikie is so hardcore about his liberties and rights he would probably get labeled as Alt-Right himself.

(ID: e132e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392202

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>>392198
they drive people away which honestly sucks

i lost two moderators because of like them

i changed my mind on my stance with these insufferable people

granted, i respect how you feel on it and thats fine

i guess i was more or less venting as i been doing all day today

i wish the republican party was more like ron and rand paul though

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>>392201
Someone may see it that way, yes.

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>>392202
If people can't be adults and get driven away because words hurt than that's on them. I have no sympathies for those actions.
People are always insufferable regardless of the side they're on, it just depends on how extreme people are.

>>392203
Yep.

!GiLgameShI (ID: 1b4514)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392207

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But Mikie, you are right wing. You're boxed in with these people regardless.
Either embrace communism or start goosestepping.

>>392205

Mk17 (ID: afeb5c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392210

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(ID: e132e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392211

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>>392205
>

>>392206
some are worse than others

>>392207
>But Mikie, you are right wing
i am neither left or right wing though

i am at most a classical liberal like i have been since forever

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>>392213
*stares into the light of nothingness*

!GiLgameShI (ID: 1b4514)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392215

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>>392211
Libertarians are right wing.

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>>392211
You want to elaborate on that?

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>>392215
im not a libertarian

>>392216
FOOTBALL HEAD

>>392217
i just have an issue with nazi's and general garbage like that

they dont have a respect for rights anymore than communists do

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>>392218
I don't see how that makes Nazi's worse than Communists. Seems like you're putting them in equal footing which I won't disagree with.

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>>392218
>classical liberal
That is synonymous with libertarian. Minimal government with an affinity for business regulating daily life.

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>>392219
lol where are you getting these from?

>>392220
fair enough

both are authoritarian tyrants in my eyes

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>>392221
eh, libertarians/classical liberals dont like the far right anyway

and we are not in that group

center-right at most

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>>392224
okay, i laughed

fuck you!

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>>392226
In US politics and internet retardation, they're basically the same thing. So you're basically Hitler.

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>>392222
So you take back what you said earlier: "some are worse than others"?

>>392226
The Dem's are being called Right Wing by progressive politics. You would be called a far right boogaloo supporter probably with your talk of defending against a tyrannical government.

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>>392229
yo mama is hilter :^)

>>392230
>So you take back what you said earlier: "some are worse than others"?
yeah i guess so, smiles

i view nazi's and commies as the same

>You would be called a far right boogaloo supporter probably with your talk of defending against a tyrannical government.

no, thats not true actually

they view far right people as being nazis

they just view classical liberals as being crazy
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>>392233
Did you not talk about the absolutism of the 2nd amendment to defend yourself and the nation from all threats foreign and domestic?
Have you not made statements talking about the need of things like the 2nd amendment in order for an armed citizenry to rise against the American Government?
Have you not argued that we need less Government intrusion and a smaller Government as a whole?

I mean that's basically all it takes nowadays to be called Far-Right.

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>>392237
it's really not far-right at all though

hands believes in almost the same principles as me

he isn't far right and neither am i

if people think that, they are incorrect

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>>392240
It doesn't matter what you consider "Far-Right".
When you have things like the Michigan Protests get called Far-Right then you aren't far from that.

Also you're obviously not familiar with the so called "Boogaloo" movement that the Media is currently trying to harp on about.

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>>392244
i know all about the "boogaloo" stuff

it's an old term thats been around since forever

im not interested in that stuff

i just wanna live my own damn life happily without bothering anyone and i think everyone else should have that ability to do so

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>>392245
You're missing what they're saying: by whatever metric both internet culture and mainstream media define politics, your interests are far right even if you don't consider them far right yourself.

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>>392245
Well if you're aware of it then you understand how your language will have you grouped with and compared to those people in the modern media and whatnot.
You would probably be called Alt-Right.

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>>392247
>>392249
then thats ignorance on their part

just like how people use the word "liberal" the wrong way

claiming people like AOC are liberals is anything but true

i know i am not far-right

far right is people that believe in national socialism and fascism

fascism and liberty are two entirely different things that are so far from one another

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>>392253
Yes, I would say that modern interpretations are stupid, and I'm tired of everyone right of Obama being labeled as far right. That doesn't change the fact that you would be labeled far right in the same way as well.

But the entire point of this was just to explain how I wasn't wrong like you said I was here >>392233

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>>392257
nazis and communists are outliers for the most part

im not sure what else i am needing to say here

if people view my liberal views the wrong way then so be

i will let them know they're wrong

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>>392261
I'm just waiting for you to accept the reality that you would be grouped in with them regardless of your own stance on the matter.

We are in agreement that they would be "wrong" though.

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>>392264
i hear the news bullshit on a daily basis and im not saying you're wrong in that regard

it's just saying it is something i will not except and will tell them they are wrong

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Fresh from EqD, Sethisto has spoken. No more racist pony fan art on his site.

https://www.equestriadaily.com/2020/06/on-racism-in-fandom-and-equestria-daily.html

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>>392332
>No more racist pony fan art on his site.
Actually what he said was it has already been that way on EqD for a while and that they wont be "bringing it back".
He could have just said nothing.

Anonymous (ID: 934d94)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392386

>Having blonde hair and blue eyes is racist

Anonymous (ID: 952cc6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392388

>>392386
>low melanin; dies in direct sunlight like undead
>recessive genes; easily dominated by superior Gothic alleles

We don't need a blond-hair blue-eye genocide, anon. It's already happening silently. Your weak alleles will be subsumed to our own.

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>>392388
If that's true then why are white people the dominant race along with East Indians, Asians, and Hispanics?

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>>392389
For one thing, Islamic empires in the arid zone had cheap food for their labor-animals freely growing everywhere. Europe didn't. They had to build waterwheels and sheeit. They industrialized.

See this? It's called a trip hammer. This is how you automate things pre-fossil fuel. Once you hit waterwheel stage on the tech tree, tech explosion is likely.

From there, all you have to do is coast, and the world is yours.

Anonymous (ID: 934d94)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392391

>>392390
Wasn't it Islam that also destroyed their own gem of education way back when because their child fucking leader wanted to spread his own brand of religious doctrine, resulting in the destruction of priceless knowledge from across the globe and the death of valuable scholars?

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>>392391
Hey, I'm not shilling for that lame religion either.
Christianity is a jewel because it encouraged its dweebs to become chaste scholars who create cool philosophy and art, instead of marrying literally everyone off. Not to mention, having any opportunity for its female half to make their own mark on the culture at all.

Anonymous (ID: 934d94)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392393

>>392392
My point is that the middle east is full of dumb desert whites.

Anonymous (ID: 952cc6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392396

>>392393
Well, "kangz and shit" is literally true, because the self-given name for what we call by the Greek name of "Egypt," is Khem. Literally, The Black Land.

So there's no reason to think other desert cultures were white, either. "Desert whites" - you'd just burn to death in the desert sun. That's the reason for differences in skin tone, that's the reason we notice racial difference at all. It's european scholars that had to contend with the reality of advanced societies appearing outside of europe, and because they were currently dominant and had to rationalize their dominance to themselves, they self-identified with mideastern cultures. But later we find that the "oldest societies" depend on what biome preserves the evidence best, not where it really began; and so the epicenter of early culture keeps moving. If the Sahara used to be humid, that would explain the rotting of structures from any older culture that might've dispensed into Egypt and Nubia later. So now they're acting like the first advanced society was there. But then, Navel Hill, Anatolia, demonstrates you don't even need agriculture to build megalithic shrines, you can do it in hunter societies.

This constant epicenter shifting tells me that, in all likelihood, there was no dispensation at all, and civilization just popped up at some point wherever humans lived.

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>>392396

Scientists have shown that the egpytians were descended from greeks.

If anything black is probably more flowery than anything. Kind of like that quote with japs about having black blood.

The truth of the matter is that black people have no culture or accomplishments

Anonymous (ID: 952cc6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392398

>>392397
White == skin cancer == die in the sunlight.

Should I refer you to the skin cancer rates of Israel? The highest in the world? A place full of pale european jews?

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>>392398
Jews are white yeah, what about it?

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>>392398

There's still plenty of white people living in Africa who haven't died of skin cancer you know.
I would also cite Australia too if it actually existed.

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>>392397
>The truth of the matter is that black people have no culture or accomplishments
God! Even I can't swallow that much bullshit.

It's a pity that the English, Dutch and Muslims erased every trace of what little achievement native Africans created. Granted they were never going to rise very far without the benefits of education and science, However they did manage written language and large cities. What little of worth was cheated away by every European nation that colonized the continent. Kind of like what the Chinese are trying to do today.

And hope to God this guy never finds out who you are!

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>>392392
>Christianity is a jewel because it encouraged its dweebs to become chaste scholars who create cool philosophy and art, instead of marrying literally everyone off.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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>>392514
I want baby-engines to leave.

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>>392543
I have no idea what that means.

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>>392553
That's a shame.

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>>392612
I googled the term and all I got were listings for kids toys, so I have no idea what the heck you're getting at.

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>>392619
Showing off one's failure to understand is a pretty crap-tier snark, man.

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>>392625
I mean if you're just going to make up words and terms I'm not going to pretend like I get it. I'm gonna call you on that shit.

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>>392633
I'm sorry that you, unlike most eleventh-graders, are evidently too verbally-impaired to understand what a compound word is.

Might you by any chance be an AI? It's such a shame you don't have qualia and can't actually learn.
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>>392639
Baby-engine has no meaning. You can't just put two random words together and pretend it has meaning.

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>>392644
Step away from the screen for a moment and quietly try to figure out for yourself what the most obvious meaning of "baby-engine" might be in the context in which it was given.

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>>392645
I'm going to assume an engine that powers babies is not what you were going for.

A miniaturized engine also doesn't seem to fit the context of the the statement either.
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>>392645
Or were you just being retarded and were implying 'baby-maker' or 'baby-factory'?

Because an engine is not something that fabricates. It supplies power or kinetic energy to a machine. It would be a very dumb thing to use to mean 'something that creates' unless you were trying to specifically be obtuse about it.

Or retarded. Which is what my money is on.

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>>392650
Because raving about your own inability to figure out "Oh, he meant 'baby-maker,' i'll just substitute that in instead and not make a fuss" is the neurotypical thing to do. Kthxbai.

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>>392652
Well that's usually used as a slur for a woman, and I'm not even sure who you were directing that at because you were replying to me, and I am physically incapable of having a child, so even if that IS what you meant, the statement doesn't make any sense.

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>>392660
Masculine virtue is also defined by a man's ability to sire heirs and accrue wealth to nourish them thru conquest, so the same principle applies: your life becoming cuckoldry to a cycle of constantly creating life for others. I could say "breeder" but that's more of a gay people word for straight people.

The meme I'm trying to encapsulate here is "most societies were evolved for group-survival through fecundity, which means you're expected to contribute to their family-structure," which I think is shit. Religions with chaste monks offered an escape-hatch from this kind of maddening endless circle of creating life and death, where they could just hole themselves up in castle until they died, and set their genetic heritage free from the bullshit. Relative to the time at which it was practiced, where they didn't have this weird modern notion of using contraceptives and screwing everyone without repurcussions, it was the more liberating of the two options.

The point was to contrast it with islamic cultures where there was no such practice of monasticism on such a scale. In cultural context you're better off having "cut the cord" and sealed yourself up in a monastery than feed your blood and sweat back into the circle of toil. It was more liberating in some ways than the alternative of needing to leave some genetic heritage. At least, that's how I see it.

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>>392670
What happened to your tripcode?

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>>392670
Oh, Hi Jigs.

Still serving up those hot Incel takes, hm?

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>>392688
Why can't we just agree to disagree on these kinds of things instead of you boorishly asserting your values are superior?

Do you actually have a case for me to hear or are you just gonna chest-pound?
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>>392693
Well seeing as your stance is 'Life sucks and everyone should die.' there isn't really much to argue with you about because everything you say is basically just an elaborate call to mass suicide.

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>>392696
Do you equate voluntarily living out your life childless to "murdering" a child by never creating it? Because it sounds like that's the equation you're making.

What is the matter with you creatures constantly taking one or two bad things I once said and hounding me with them forever? You have my IP data. You don't need to call me out like this. I was just trying to make a point on how shitty family-life in the middle ages must've been and what a relief it must've felt like to remove oneself from it all. That can be positive.

By your logic, I could say you believe people should be killed if they try to voluntarily never reproduce.
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>>392697
I don't need your IP to call you out. You are the only one that talks about how shitty life is and how everyone should just stop procreating so the human race can die off. It's not hard to spot.
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>>392699
Why do you equate dying childless with murder, Toy?
Why do you believe any species is obligated to continue existing? Are you a collectivist? Do you believe in a collective species-destiny?

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>>392702
I believe in potential and progress. I am against stagnation. Without life there is no progress. Without life the universe stagnates. Everything becomes useless and serves no purpose.

I can't abide by the idea of allowing a species to die off just because you had some bad experiences in your life. That's your problem, not the rest of ours.

Humanity should progress, grow, expand, and consume. Otherwise there is an entire universe worth of resources just sitting there being useless. Entire planets full of minerals that are just sitting there being pointless rocks when they could be so much more.

Anonymous (ID: 952cc6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392708

>>392705
What if nature is all just strong creatures subduing and killing other creatures, as is frequently demonstrated in the behavior of all the other animals?
What if "progress" is a misformed idea? What if in discovering the highest truth, we just realize that all nature is red in tooth and claw, and there can be no purpose, no special destiny beyond the same wants all the other animals have?

I think the folly is that the longer we keep the engine running and creating strong souls, we also create weak souls. Souls dispossessed from the very beginning from your celestial aspirations.
And it doesn't matter what happens to me - you'll still create them. You'll always have hiccups. You'll always trap more human light in the game, only for it to be abandoned in the darkness. Told that it is sinful and evil by its very birth, that it must suffer for its weakness. That it will be cast out, and no one will be left to help it.

I care not for the stripes on my own soul. Oh, no. If I really believed all I knew were for some good cause, then I could endure anything.
But instead I am told that all the weak and lost souls, those sparks of which I find in myself and not among the mighty, will be cursed forever, cast out into the darkness, trapped in the cycle of pain.

That's why I call it folly. As the rain hits all, the same seed of nature creates both strength and weakness.
And your notion of "progress" only actively accelerates the culling, which is the bane of my whole being.

That is why I disavowed the circle of life. Because you choose to create a new god for the strong, but choose to scorn the weak. Because you truly don't believe we "all have the same soul in us."
You just care about your own grandiose aspirations. And the souls you've trapped will have no say in the matter.

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>>392708
>What if nature is all just strong creatures subduing and killing other creatures, as is frequently demonstrated in the behavior of all the other animals?

Nature is a clusterfuck of chemicals smashing against each other with no rhyme or reason. It's unorganized chaos. That is why you get this situation of 'animals subduing and killing each other'. It's because Nature has no purpose and it has no goal. It's just at thing that perpetuates because it exists. Following it is the same as blindly walking off a cliff.

>Told that it is sinful and evil by its very birth, that it must suffer for its weakness.

This is the realm of religious crackpots. I don't abide by this. If you believe it, that's your problem. If you have a defect, correct it. If you can't correct it, overcome it, tear it out, replace it. Do whatever you have to do. If you allow yourself to stagnate that is your fault. If you listen to these people, that is your fault.

>But instead I am told that all the weak and lost souls, those sparks of which I find in myself and not among the mighty, will be cursed forever, cast out into the darkness, trapped in the cycle of pain.

Because you choose to listen to stupid people. You think I haven't been told the same damn thing over and over? Fuck them.

>That's why I call it folly. As the rain hits all, the same seed of nature creates both strength and weakness.

Humans were born without claws, so they carved stone into claws. Then they use that stone to make those claws out of metal, then they put those claws on the end of a stick and made them bigger. Then they learned to shoot those claws from a distance. They learned how to overcome their weaknesses compared to the larger, fiercer, more dangerous animals because they refused to accept that was their place in life. If you do not have claws, make claws. If you do not have teeth, make teeth. If you do not have strength, build a machine that does. Overcome. Adapt. Succeed.

You give up when you are told you've lost. If you want to tell me that I've lost, you're going to have to force me to lose.

>Because you choose to create a new god for the strong, but choose to scorn the weak.

No, I create power for those who have none. The strong don't need to adapt because they already have strength. I create my own strength to SPITE them, not to join them. I do not have the mindset to lay down and die. If the air becomes toxic, tear out your lungs and replace them with a filtered machine. If your arms are too weak, tear them off and replace them with stronger arms. If life has chosen to limit you, find a way to break those limits. Anything else is to simply give up and let yourself die.
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Anonymous (ID: 952cc6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392716

>>392712
>Nature is a clusterfuck of chemicals smashing against each other with no rhyme or reason. It's unorganized chaos. That is why you get this situation of 'animals subduing and killing each other'. It's because Nature has no purpose and it has no goal. It's just at thing that perpetuates because it exists. Following it is the same as blindly walking off a cliff.

So, nature will not care what it creates. It will not care that for every ninety-five strong creatures that will lead happy lives it creates, it will create five defective that will suffer.

Simply put, I self-identify with the 5%. Sorry, but they share a kindred spirit with me. I care not for what happens to the entire rest of the world, so long as my spiritual "tribe" is suffering. And it's in the very rules of the universe they must suffer, for being botched from the very beginning. The best harm-reduction, then, would be to create a world where their own existence is impossible, out of love for them.

Not spite for the rest of the creatures who are happy. I don't think about them at all. I just want to reunite with my kindred spirits in freedom from the circle.

And even assuming we could be "happy" in death, as a thought experiment, they might "reincarnate" back into the futile circle again if anything alive in the universe keeps breeding. So everything that breeds in this world is a threat to our existence in the next.

Please understand that I act out of hatred for no one. I only love my Kindred Spirits more. It's by my love for them that all the rest can go straight to hell.

"Fucked up, ain't it?" Well, dear Nature, you were the one who first dealt this fucking-up to us. I'm simply returning the favor. Eye for an eye, it's fair as fair can possibly be.

(ID: 17563d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392720

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>>392716
Well that's your problem I guess. I don't have kindred spirits. There is me, and there is the universe. The universe is trying to kill me, and I am saying fuck you to it.

I don't have a 'people'. I don't have 'kindred spirits'. This tribe mentality is what holds you back. There is no tribe.

Be polite.
Be efficient.
Have a plan to kill everyone you meet. (Or at the very least, have a plan to avoid being killed by them.)

Relying on others is just building your castle on a foundation of sand. Do not go out of your way to harm others if you can avoid it, but don't trust them to keep you afloat. When the waters rise and no one is there to hold you, if you never learned how to swim on your own you're dead.

Nothing is permanent. Nothing is sacred. Not bonds. Not blood. Nothing. Every branch could collapse at any moment and if you become complacent, you will fall.

By the way, I'm part of that 5% you're talking about, but I'm not happy with death. Death is failure. I'm not staying in this bracket.
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Anonymous (ID: 952cc6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392734

>>392720
I mean, you say that like you're a positive egoist, and you embrace conquest because it comes naturally. But does all this planning and all this rationalizing really come naturally? And if it doesn't, then what's all the fuss about? If you're just an egoist, you won't be around to reap the fruits of your life when others do after you die, so it's pointless to work for. When you die, you'll be with me, and with everyone else who did a lot less than you. You get nothing......but to some of them, getting nothing was even better than the life they'd lived.

Everyone who's ever suffered gets the reward of respite in death. And even those who knew not to take life seriously because of death, still get nothing worse than death at the end.
The only folly here is to take anything seriously. If you're too abjectly pathetic to ever contribute to the heavenly ascent, you still know how to handle your own crappiness by virtue of being it, and at the end, there's no punishment worse than death. And those two people end up in the same place, which is a reward for one but a nuisance for the other.


The thing is, older cultures would give you merciless shit for not being capable to be a father, often brutalizing and killing you for it. Especially in cultures like the middle ages and Islamic societies. And if you understand group-evolution, you'd know that it's evolutionarily favored for groups to be cruel to an individual who is naturally deviant for reasons beyond his control.



That first post was more self-talk from the starting position that endless birth is folly at best and that you shouldn't feel bad for not participating. It doesn't have to imply "we should send out space probes o wipe out all bacteria in the galaxy so this never happens again." It was more of a positive cope, from someone who knows he would've been killed in the middle ages.
It's just me saying "you don't have to feel bad." What, do you expect me to believe I should? As if that's productive?


Why must you begrudge me of my copes? They are what help me carry on.

(ID: 17563d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392735

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>>392734
>from someone who knows he would've been killed in the middle ages.
We don't live in the middle ages. Because the middle ages were shit. You survived because we are BETTER than we used to be and we will continue to get better than we are now.

>Why must you begrudge me of my copes? They are what help me carry on.

Because you bitch about them constantly. The reason you think I have such a privileged and perfect life is because I don't complain about my problems, not that I don't have them.
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Anonymous (ID: 952cc6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392736

>>392735
Your first reply though was "Haha loser lmao, imagine liking the fact that this old religion allowed people to do anything BUT constantly fuck each other." It's like you're concern trolling.

History is a hostile place, but I'm drawn to looking back on it nonetheless. Masochistic delight. Realizing how brutal most of life was throughout the life of the world sorta forces you to do "WHO WOULD WIN?!" comparisons on which conditions in an era would be LEAST relatively harmful to you or which value you're CLOSEST to, even if you don't really like any of them. Lesser of evils kinda thing. It's what I was doing. I was saying Christian societies were somewhat better than Islamic because there were slightly less requirements to be a chad, if you instead chose the still-kinda-brutal life of a monk. That's what was meant.


>The reason you think I have such a privileged and perfect life is because I don't complain about my problems


You cope by being a big fish in a small pond and endlessly one-up yourself. If there's one thing I hate, it's a braggart. You are probably touching yourself to this across the screen right now.
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>>392736
>You cope by being a big fish in a small pond and endlessly one-up yourself.
Hahaha, okay, You're going to have to explain that one to me because I have no idea where you get that from. I have never been a big fish in any pond. I survive specifically by studying the bigger fish and learning how to stay in their blind spots.
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Anonymous (ID: 952cc6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392743

>>392738
I literally mean here. Your behavior is pathological. I just don't get off the hook for it, because I'm worse at concealing it. Yours is scarier because you can hide it. Watching you seamlessly broadcast this false self you've created is painful. I don't know what ails you but you're a goddamn bully, dude. I don't even know why I try to justify myself to you when you give me this shit. You care a lot less about seeing eye to eye than you believe, and it's unrewarding.

(ID: 17563d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392744

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>>392743
>I don't know what ails you but you're a goddamn bully, dude.
Explain. I don't take such accusations lightly.

Anonymous (ID: 952cc6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392748

>>392744
Responding to the first post, which I DIDN'T DIRECT AT YOU AND HAD NO INTENTION OF ENGAGING YOUR SMARMY ASS, with nothing but a laugh? What the hell, fuck right off lmao, I was not talking to you. If you can't hit the nail on the head why what I say is indisputably wrong, don't you deign to engage me, your ad-hom is not an argument.

And then of course I bear my soul and make my case about how reproducing isn't maybe the greatest thing in the world, and then you go and call volcels and monks incel terrorists, KNOWING you'll get me hot and bothered by accusing me of being a terrorist.

I call you a sociopath because your communication is way too cautious. Too perfect. Too terse. It's calculated to be that way. Because the longer a post goes on, the more vulnerabilities it exposes itself to. You minimize the amount of actual substance in your responses because you KNOW it makes you vulnerable. I ramble like this because I'm saying what I really mean. Because I'm always defending and justifying myself. Because I WANT me and my accuser to find some commonality. And in seeking that, I have to take the risk of showing weakness by bearing my soul in detail.

You? It's never that way for you. You're not capable of seeing the soul in any of it. That human frailty means nothing to you. When I go long winded and put myself in danger somehow you assume it's a stylistic flair and not the only way I know how to ensconce my thoughts, as if you think I'm idiotic enough not to be aware of how bad longer posts look. I'm taking a HUGE risk airing all this shit with NO GUARANTEE anyone is gonna read it.


I've made it abundantly clear I have no interest being engaged by a hyena. I've justified myself to you more than you deserve.
Don't lie to me and tell me you care about anyone. You'll just come back the next day after pretending we're friends and do this shit all over again. I already know you don't feel. I'm not the first one. I'm nothing but another cube of meat to you. YOU know in your heart of hearts how you've played with me like a cat torturing a mouse, but this fact won't hit anything inside of you. I know you know what you're doing, but you'll shrug it off because you don't think I can prove it to anyone else. But it doesn't matter. The ones who matter already know what you're like. I've seen how you recoil when "psychopath" utters. You can't take that back now. It's out of the bag.

(ID: 17563d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392750

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>>392748
>Responding to the first post, which I DIDN'T DIRECT AT YOU AND HAD NO INTENTION OF ENGAGING YOUR SMARMY ASS, with nothing but a laugh? What the hell, fuck right off lmao, I was not talking to you. If you can't hit the nail on the head why what I say is indisputably wrong, don't you deign to engage me, your ad-hom is not an argument.

I was laughing at the idea that Christianity promoted knowledge and art when it was the exact opposite. They single handedly caused the period of time called The Dark Ages by cracking down on anyone who tried to make any scientific progress, because they were afraid it would make people less likely to follow their religion.

THAT is what I was laughing at.

Anonymous (ID: 952cc6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392751

>>392750
You're historically illiterate.
And you have a history of speaking in thought terminating cliches.
You haven't earned the right to laugh it off.

(ID: 17563d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392752

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>>392751
>and then you go and call volcels and monks incel terrorists

I never said the word terrorists anywhere, ever. I have no idea where that comes from.

>>392748
>I call you a sociopath because your communication is way too cautious. Too perfect. Too terse. It's calculated to be that way.
Have you ever wondered why that is?

(ID: 17563d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392754

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>>392748
>You? It's never that way for you. You're not capable of seeing the soul in any of it. That human frailty means nothing to you.
That is because I lost my soul and humanity long ago. I don't have the luxuries of such things anymore.

Anonymous (ID: 952cc6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392756

>>392754
Then you must die.

(ID: 17563d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392760

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>>392756
You're not the first to tell me that and you won't be the last. However I have no intention to cater to you.

Seeing as how you ignored my last post, I'll just answer the question for you. The reason my posts come across the way you say, as 'too perfect' and 'too calculated' is because I don't have the luxury of making mistakes. I never have. Whenever I make a mistake the entire world comes down on me for it. So every single word has to be carefully thought and planned out in advance. I have to read and reread my post to make sure there are no breaks anywhere in it, no weak points to be exploited, because the second one shows itself the floodgates of hate come crashing down.

It's always been this way. You speak freely because while you claim to be risking anything you're not. Not by a long shot. You can say whatever you like and at worse people will ignore you. If I misspeak, or even so much as hint that I have said something that could be misconstrued as 'wrong', I get hounded by everyone, friend and foe alike, to make sure it is well drilled into me that I'm a horrible person.

And I've learned to stand there and take the full brunt of the assault. I try to defend myself at times but most of the time that just makes people want to hit me harder. Often times I just stop, and I just let them burn themselves out. Then I sit back, reflect and try not to make the same mistake a second time.

You want to know why everything I say and do seems calculated? That is why. It's not some attempt at manipulation. It's simply the only way I'm allowed to communicate. So sit there and talk about how the world has discarded you, and you're huddling with your buddies just waiting for the cold release of death.

Death is not a release for me. Death is just the inevitable point in which the tiny few things I have left that will make me happy will also be taken away. Praise it if you want, welcome it, even. The reason I don't give you pity is because nothing you've talked about even registers to me as suffering anymore. You complain about things like not being a "prime example of my species." I'm not even welcome by my own species. I don't even have a species anymore, let alone a race or a tribe or a country or a people. The only thing I have is myself, because that is the only thing I am allowed to have. Maybe that makes people think I'm narcissistic, but it's hard not to be when the only person you have to talk to that isn't trying to rip your throat out is yourself.

So sit there wallowing in self pity, calling me a bully for not crying for you. I don't have any tears left, even if I wanted to.

Anonymous (ID: 952cc6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392762

>>392760
None of this matters. You know what you did. YOU started it. YOU charged in being aggressive and petty, don't you try to wash your hands of this shit. You'll do the same thing again tomorrow. You're like clockwork. This is why everyone left you.

(ID: 17563d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392763

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>>392762
>This is why everyone left you.
No one left me, because leaving me would require them being around in the first place.

Also, yeah. I was laughing at what I thought was another Christian shill, like I always do. I didn't know it was you specifically until you started ranting about wanting to die and wanting the human race to go extinct.

If you want me to walk on eggshells around you, at least use a name so I know it's you next time.

Anonymous (ID: 952cc6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392767

>>392763
My ip hasn't changed in like 2 years, if ever.
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(ID: ad6a88)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392768

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*sigh*

(ID: 17563d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392769

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>>392767
Yeah, well believe it or not I don't always check IP's. I only do so if I absolutely need to verify someone's identity. I didn't bother to check yours until you started ranting about wanting the human race to go extinct again.

(ID: 17563d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392773

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>>392762
Besides, you always talk about being "the 5%" and how you're broken or some shit but you have never actually elaborated on why you feel this way or what happened to you to make you believe that, yet you seem to want my unconditional pity despite the fact you have never actually explained what it is causing you to 'suffer' in the first place.

(ID: 5cccf1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392854

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>>392332 another instance of someone apologizing for having enjoyed jokes and memes. shameful.
also your favorite "muh private company" argument came up in the comments, as expected.

Mk17 (ID: 9a8909)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392856

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>>392854
>also your favorite "muh private company" argument came up in the comments, as expected.
Who are you talking to?
Do you think i posted that?

(ID: 5cccf1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392857

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>>392856 No. I just glanced at the comments. someone said something along the lines of "free speech is dead in America" and the response was "muh private company". And of course the like/dislike ratio favors the silencing of voices that people disagree with. go figure.

Mk17 (ID: 9a8909)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392859

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>>392857
So whos the "your" in the "your 'muh private company' argument"?
That anon?
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(ID: 5cccf1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392860

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>>392859 no, you. because that's what you were arguing. about how facebook, twitter, youtube, et al, should be able to silence, ban, etc. anyone they like for any reason. despite being monopolies that actively prevent new startups from taking hold through their symbiotic connections and direct action.

Mk17 (ID: 9a8909)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392862

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>>392860
So you did think that post was from me?
Why would you refer to me as if you were replying to me, without replying to me?

(ID: 5cccf1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392863

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>>392862 not from you, just someone like you. I was letting you know that your argument is alive and well on EQD.

!smiles.Drs (ID: e20a05)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  392865

MK it's pretty obvious that he wasn't saying that you made the post yourself.

Mk17 (ID: 9a8909)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392868

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>>392863
I asking if you thought this >>392332 post was from me, because you said "your argument" to that anon, but you meant me.

>>392865
Thanks for the input, see above.

!smiles.Drs (ID: e20a05)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  392870

>>392868
Ah, it would seem as if they thought >>392332 was from you. Fair enough.

Mk17 (ID: 9a8909)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392873

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>>392870
Didn't you think i was that setharoo guy once?

!smiles.Drs (ID: e20a05)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  392874

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>>392873
Never.
I said "Go to Bed Seth" to you once or twice because it used to be a meme to call Trixie posters "Seth" back in 11/12.
I used to get called Seth also back then.
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Mk17 (ID: 5bfb22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392876

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>>392874
I guess i missed that maymay.

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>>392874
You gave off Seth energy back then.

!smiles.Drs (ID: e20a05)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  392881

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>>392876
I mean you can look it up, it's an old meme but one I still use when I see Trixie posters.
Different time back then. People had more fun.

>>392880
What is that supposed to mean?

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>>392881
Most people assumed you were a guy.

!smiles.Drs (ID: e20a05)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  392883

>>392882
I passed myself off as one, but I recall people like Pshy and whatnot thinking that I was a twink or trans even back then. lol

!smiles.Drs (ID: e20a05)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  392884

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>no picture

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>>392883
>>392884
I recall, you used to go along with the trap jokes for shits and giggles

Mk17 (ID: 5bfb22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392886

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>>392881
I didn't mean to imply i thought you were lying.
I didnt pay attention to the horse famous crowd, including the mods and shit here.
I posted on /pic/ /art/ and /vinyl/ mostly when i was here, and that sounds like a /oat/ or OG/ef/ thing.

I was more of a long luna/gak/chickun kinda guy.

(ID: c77e61)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392890

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>>392886
>chickun
tfw i lost chickun folder

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>>392890
All my old pony shit is on a harddrive in a closet somewhere.
I've had so many computers crash, that i just accept im going to lose everything every ~2 years haha.

Im sure you can rebuild if you wanted to.

!smiles.Drs (ID: 7e44ab)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  392909

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>>392885
Yeah, I'm still relatively paranoid about my privacy. That hasn't changed.

>>392886
That's fine.
I feel like a lot of that stuff is basically dead nowadays anyway.

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>>392909
Makes sense to me, I don't tell people much either.

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>>392909
It lives on in our hearts.
We all just got old and jaded i think haha.
Also, i feel you on the privacy thing. I feel like we've gotten pretty loose with it here in particular over the past year or 2.
Promise not to cancel me, and i promise not to cancel you.

!smiles.Drs (ID: 7e44ab)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  392918

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>>392913
You accepted Nezi into your home, which is pretty cool.

>>392917
Cancel Culture is a cancer. I never want to cancel anyone, but I'm pretty certain you people couldn't cancel me regardless. I'm pretty sneaky.

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>>392918
It took a year of talking with him in threads to accept his friend request, and another year to meet in person.

That and he pays me money to live here, which is nice.

Surprise (ID: 92cc1d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392921

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>>392918
Sneaky like a geisha assassin

Mk17 (ID: 5bfb22)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392922

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>>392918
Of that im sure.

Some dude on a youtube channel i watch made a video today wherein he picked a fight with some advertising company, then instructed his "viewers" to essentially raid them.
I was thinking, im not your fucking soldier.
Cancel culture is the lowest form of activism, and the companies/agencies/networks/ect that bow to it should be ashamed.

Sorry if I've been touchy lately, I've been primarily on local forums arguing with nitwits that want to tear down every statue and rename everything in my state, because they dont know jack shit about the history behind it.

I dont think you realize how much i would love to be able to give in and just say "yeah, fuck twitter, executive order that shit away and make them bow to the government" except, its against my principals regarding the power of the government and its power to dictate. For me to argue in favor of it would make me hypocritical in other areas and its not the emergency to me as it is to you because i dont use those platforms. So even if i totally agree in spirit, i cant agree philosophically, and thats the shitty part about having principles. Thats why i always say that you can advocate for these things if you want to.

I miss the times when we would all just abandon sites after a few months and move on to the next one haha. None got too big. Idk how FB and twitter got the lockdown on this shit, i feel like its our fault.
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>>392921
Are they sneaky?

>>392922
Personal Army Requests were gay since they became a thing no matter who's doing it.
The only time it makes sense is when someone outright needs help.

Facebook and Twitter turned themselves into Status symbols, and frankly it was only a matter of time before things like this happened. The issue now is the fact that the competition pull is essentially non-existent.

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>>392924
So sneaky ya ain’t even heard of ‘em

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>>392924
>Facebook and Twitter turned themselves into Status symbols
I dont see it that way. I see it as people turned them into status symbols. Sure, they advertised, but its the users who made it what it is, and continues to do so.
Its that whole "voting with your wallet" thing.
I fucking hate both those platforms, so i dont use them. I know when i go to their site, they get money, and i dont want to be a part of their gaining money.

We have the same goal, we just have different ideas on how to get there.

I truly believe that the constitution and the bill of rights are a contract between society and the government. Its a document that tells the government what it can and cant do to prevent its meddling in the private affairs of citizens.
I.e. the constitution protects you from the monopoly of violence we grant the state, not from Twitter banning you. So the state cant molest you for expressing your ideas, but i think its up to society to work out issues like twitter.

Im not saying you're wrong im just explaining my perspective. So even if i think that twitter being forced into submission by the government would be great in spirit it would be incredibly hypocritical of me to support it, and to remain consistent, i would have to excuse a lot of things i oppose in other areas.
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>>392927
That is super sneaky.

>>392928
Ultimately it's the always the users that make the company what it is, but you get the point I was saying.

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>>392955
Like a sexy ninja that pulls shurikens outta their...hidey hole

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>>392868 oh, yeah, you're right. I did think that was you. Sorry.

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>>392955
I do get what your saying, i just feel like if i advocate for the government to set in and "do something" when its something i want, i lose my ability to criticize it when it something i don't.
Its like federally mandated 50 state reciprocity for carry permits, i would absolutely love to see that happen, it affects the shit out of me as someone who travels with a gun often, but it would go against my views of state sovereignty. It shouldn't be a mandate from the federal government, it should be like drivers licenses where the states willingly agree to recognize each others conditionally because i dont think the federal government should have that kind of power in the first place.
So i can agree with a goal without agreeing with the means.
If you recall, the issue i had was that it was being done by executive order. Im agaisnt the government being run by executive decree, and im against fiat laws that are meaningless and can just be cancelled by the next guy with a stroke of a pen. I spent 8 years complaining about obama doing that, and ive spent 4 complaining about Trump doing that. My stance on the abuse of executive orders doesn't change based on the content, or if i get what i want or not. In my mind, it would make me no better than the people who excuse violently roiting as protest, just because they agree with the position of the rioters, then turn around and chastise the other side for it.

Like today i hear on the radio that twatter banned some guy for a video he made a year ago, because trump retweeted it. Sounds like the ban is more of a spit in the face to trump than to whomever made the video, but regardless, that's complete bullshit.
Stop using twitter.

>>392958
Probably because there was a picture of trixie, understandable.
But if that was the case, the next post would have been me replying to my own posts, and i dont normally do that, unless i doing a external internal argument bit.
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>>392966 Last night, I spent a bit of time thinking about the various disagreements we have about what I'm going to call libertarian issues, especially where it comes to application of principles. This was partially due to your other posts in this thread, and also more generally thinking through some of my positions for reasons that aren't relevant here.

Anyway, I think I've come up with a solid basis for my disagreements with you, which are not case-dependent.

It comes down to game theory, and specifically the prisoner's dilemma. If you adhere in all cases to your principles (in the game exemplified by never snitching), you objectively lose a round any time your "opponent" snitches on you. Once your opponent realizes you will never retaliate, you will lose every round thereafter, and thereby lose the game entirely. Thus the solution to the prisoner's dilemma is to reciprocate every action your opponent takes.

This is why, as much as I dislike executive orders in principle, the correct play is to use them if your opposition has used them, and to the same extent.
This is why, as much as I dislike cancel culture in principle, the correct play is to use cancel culture against those who attempt to cancel you.
This is why, as much as I'd like for "muh private company" to be the ideal, once companies take sides against you and use their influence in ways that extend beyond the companies themselves, it is correct to take sides against those companies in turn and damage them in any way you can.

The 2nd fail state of the prisoner's dilemma is mutually assured destruction. i.e. both sides snitch on each other in all cases going forward, and both sides lose. However, this is not as bad of a loss vs the case in which you hold to your principles, against someone who doesn't hold to the same principles. More importantly, going against your principles (snitching on your opponent) is the only means by which you can incentivize your previously-demonstrated bad faith opposition to return to adhering to shared principles. i.e. You fight fire with fire, until your opponent puts out their torch. At that point, both sides can return to adhering to principles, and both sides win.

So as much as I can respect your principles, when it comes to application, it's a losing proposition. A principled stand, against someone who doesn't adhere to shared principles, can only lose, because it provides no incentive for a return to shared principles.

>Probably because there was a picture of trixie, understandable.

>But if that was the case, the next post would have been me replying to my own posts, and i dont normally do that, unless i doing a external internal argument bit.
I didn't realize you were replying to the other post. I just thought you made two different posts.

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Time for round two.

A follow up article posted on Quillette examined the claims made in the Atlantic article and came away unimpressed. The take away is the numbers of active alt-right participants today are trivial and don't represent the fandom in any meaningful way.

In short, it's a nothingburger to stir the pot. It wasn't an apologetic article and cited the former public faces of the movement that have vanished under public scrutiny.

https://quillette.com/2020/06/27/is-the-my-little-pony-fan-community-really-full-of-nazis/

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>>392986
>https://quillette.com/2020/06/27/is-the-my-little-pony-fan-community-really-full-of-nazis/
>The article creates an impression that the alt-Right is using seemingly-innocent cartoon fandoms as a Trojan horse to conceal and spread a sinister ideology, but the truth is that the only thing these guys are interested in hiding inside a horse is their dicks.
lel

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>>392976
Maybe, but understand that im never arguing from that stance of being in charge of anything. Im not anywhere near close being involved with the presidents administration or anything to do with these situations. So, when I argue, i argue from the point of a person who sees whats happening, and stating what the view through my eye is.
I feel like what your saying there, to stoop to the others level, its not something i would do, so i wont argue in favor of it. I will say what i think should be done, and with what microscopic influence i have, hopefully make that little bit of a shift toward the kind of world id like to see, because we are just a bunch of know nothings shooting the shit online.
In practice however, things might be different, idk.
The other night talking about the gun thing that just passed in my state, i talked about it not being the end of the world, and that it was just part of the political game, since nothing actually changed all that much, but it was a bone thrown to the other side so they could say "we did something" while in reality, not doing anything at all.

And even though i did as much or more as anyone else in that thread said they would do to stop it i still got a shit ton of stepper! STEPPER! CONSTITUTION! just because i said that now that its passed, its not worth fighting. Idk if they understood that what i meant by its not worth fighting, i meant its not worth violence.

Reguardless, i dont talk about these issues as if im in charge of making the decisions. Im not the president, im not a federal court judge, im not a politician, im not a political strategist... i understand my influence is limited to my yard, and maybe a handful of conversational partners, so, when propositioned of "what do you think about trump executive ordering twitter to end moderation if they want to have protection from raids" ill tell you.
Me, i think the bill of rights is a contract between the state and the citizens, not the citizens and each other. I think social issues should be worked out by the people not the government. I dont like the idea of fiat laws and ruling by decree, and i dont think the federal government should be interfering with social issues on private property and i especially dont like the precedent it sets, or the road its going down.
I dont like it when the left dose it, so i dont like it when the right does it ether.

Im not a tuesday morning quarterback thinking of all this like a game and coming up with strategies that are meaningless because of my minuscule influence over them. Im just telling you how I, a dude chilling with his dog with a fishing pole in his hand, waxing political on the pony website, see the situation. Thats it.
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>>392966
>Its like federally mandated 50 state reciprocity for carry permits, i would absolutely love to see that happen, it affects the shit out of me as someone who travels with a gun often, but it would go against my views of state sovereignty. It shouldn't be a mandate from the federal government?
What would you think of a federal concealed-carry license? Maybe it would fall under Congress's enumerated power to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia"?

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>>392992
Well, iirc that clause has something to do with to repel invasions and also states that there will be standards of training and discipline.
Basically saying the fed can draft you if there is a threat to the entire union.

So, if that license is issued upon joinong or being drafted to the military, then that would be fine in that case. But then, they are also suppose to provide you with the gun, and i would be pissed if i had to carry a sig p320.

It is already like that though, if you are deploying domestically, you can carry a gun in any state, if your commanding officer allows it.
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>>392991
>Maybe, but understand that im never arguing from that stance of being in charge of anything.
A lot of the people whose actions you might disapprove of IRL are also not "in charge" of anything. The difference is that they're doing something regardless, and getting results. It is the lack of response in kind that allows them to have disproportionate influence.
>Im not anywhere near close being involved with the presidents administration or anything to do with these situations.
Nor am I. But I'm also not under any illusions about whose side I'm on, by virtue of the other side having excommunicated me.
>So, when I argue, i argue from the point of a person who sees whats happening, and stating what the view through my eye is.
That's fine. My point is that arguments from principle fail in the real world, if the default position of the opposition is itself unprincipled.
>I feel like what your saying there, to stoop to the others level, its not something i would do, so i wont argue in favor of it.
I know you wouldn't. But it is what needs to be done, lest the unprincipled go unchecked. If both sides can agree to come to terms, then principles can be adhered to once again.
>Me, i think the bill of rights is a contract between the state and the citizens, not the citizens and each other.
That is correct.
>I think social issues should be worked out by the people not the government.
Should. But unless you're a "Jim Crow was a state's rights issue, block busting is a legitimate business practice, and private businesses can discriminate against people for any reason (no coloreds allowed)" ultra-libertarian, I don't think you can make that case very strongly. There have been plenty of instances where government has intervened in social issues, in ways that the vast majority would consider to be good. *
>I dont like the idea of fiat laws and ruling by decree, and i dont think the federal government should be interfering with social issues on private property and i especially dont like the precedent it sets, or the road its going down.
That's great and all, but the poor oppressed "private companies" have no qualms about using their influence to not only ruin the lives of individuals they don't like, but to also push for government which will itself interfere in social issues on private property - i.e. the very thing you have a problem with.
>I dont like it when the left dose it, so i dont like it when the right does it ether.
I don't like it either.
>Im not a tuesday morning quarterback thinking of all this like a game and coming up with strategies that are meaningless because of my minuscule influence over them. Im just telling you how I, a dude chilling with his dog with a fishing pole in his hand, waxing political on the pony website, see the situation. Thats it.
You have more influence than you think.

* And this is exactly the time when something needs to be done. Because the nation is as divided as its ever been since the Civil War. And choosing to sit out and watch as the chips fall where they may simply ensures you have no influence over the ultimate course of action. So if you really don't care, then by all means, make the arguments from principle and talk about how things would be in a perfect world. If you do care, then recognize why people - politicians, activists, and anyone involved - are doing what they're doing, and recognize that for them, strategy matters - principles can wait.

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>>392993
>and i would be pissed if i had to carry a sig p320.

Dunno why, that'd be the best possible outcome. Most likely you'd get the most beaten-to-shit M9 imaginable or like a S&W Victory revolver that has been moldering in the back of an arms rooms since 1945.

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>>393020
>jim crow
Is a pretty complex issue, of which you split up in this post.
There is the segregation in public places such as Brown vs the board of education, which the supreme court ruled unconstitutional, so it went through the process of legal scrutiny and the supreme court ruled that it was a constitutional issue, and i agree, public facilities are public.
Then, there was the civil rights act, which is just a complex. A lot of it was right in line with the supreme court ruling and applied to public facilities, but ill address the point you made about private places.
>private businesses can discriminate against people for any reason
Yes, i think they should be able to.
If a store put a "no blacks" sign in their window, i would think it despicable, i would never spend money there, i would shit talk them, i might even protest. But, i think they have the right.
Regardless of my opinion though, a law was passed through the legislative process that says they dont, so i accept it.
Same with block busting. It was put through the courts and legislative process. Again, if this twitter shit was done through the legislative process, i wouldnt have an issue with it being done, i would still disagree with a lot of it, and i would argue those points, but the process woth which it was carried out i wouldn't have any issue with.
Licensor is different, its standards set and permit given based on a set of laws in one state. There is a reason that doctors, lawyers, contractors, ccw holders, real estate agents, plumbers, HVAC techs...ect have to get licensed in each state they want to perform work, or have reciprocity with the license they hold, because each state has different sets of standards and codes to abide by, that they need to learn/fulfill in order to practice in that state.
If Congress debates and passes a law that every single state have the exact same carry permit laws and regulations, then fine. I will still argue that its an erosion of states sovereignty, but at least the states were represented when deciding the law.
See your saying "states rights" and im saying sovereignty, and there is a difference. Its not a states rights issue because the states sent representatives to debate the issue and got their say. Its a state sovereignty issue, because the ones who vote no will be forced to comply reguardless.
Not to mention the carry permit issue is much more nuanced than just state sovereignty. It was just one example.
Everything seems so 0 and 1 around here sometimes.
Also
>unless your an ultra librarian you cant make a strong case
What does labeling myself have to do with the strength of my argument?

Also, i dont want to get into a debate about every single example used in these posts. If you have questions for me, ask, if not, turning a nuanced situation such as my ultimate set of principles and political beliefs, that i would have to write a book to express in one go, into a cookie cutter us vs then argument would be too hard.
I never said im so adherent to my principals that i cant take individual situations under critical consideration, and if i was put in a position where the decision was mine, i might bend them to suite it, i just said that while im talking on the pony website about goings ons in the world, ill mostly look at the situation through the lens of my principals and apply them in debate.
Thats really the difference i see between you an I and how we argue. Im here trying to have a philosophical debate on current events, even if i disagree with myself to better hone my opinion and put my own principles to the test for fun. I wasnt born with opinons and principles, they are cultivated through participating in these kinds of conversations. But some of you guys treat this shit like its a life or death situation, like the convo we are having is the deciding factor in the course of world history. If you're a part of some war or someshit, leave me out of it. If you dont like my opinon, dont reply to me, but idk who you think i am, but im really just some schmuck ffs haha.

>I don't like it either.

So why not say it?

>You have more influence than you think.

Lets all pray together that isn't true haha.

>>393021
The best possible outcome is i get to provide my own.
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>>392993
>Basically saying the fed can draft you if there is a threat to the entire union.
The original idea [edit: of the militia, at the time of the founding] was that the militia (which included all able-bodied males of fighting age) would regularly practice even in times of peace. Si vis pacem, para bellum.

>>393031
>The best possible outcome is i get to provide my own.
That's in line with the Militia Act of 1792, which required each citizen to equip himself with a musket or rifle.
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>>393034
I thought the basic idea was no one wanted to join the army and go to Europe to fight in ww1 so they passed a law that gave the federal government the right to abduct you and force you to go.

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>>393036
Oh, there was a miscommunication! I was talking about the militia clauses of the Constitution, not the draft.

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>>393037
Wasn't it the national defense act that took the "militia" which was primarily a state institution, and put it under the purview of the federal government?
That was right before or durring our involvement in ww1 iirc.

Idk man, i worked a 10hr shift in the rain and then had to clean and shit when i got home. Im fucking tired haha.

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>>393031
>Is a pretty complex issue, of which you split up in this post.
>...
>Not to mention the carry permit issue is much more nuanced than just state sovereignty. It was just one example.
I certainly can't fault you for not being consistent. That all seems perfectly reasonable at least in theory.
>>unless your an ultra librarian you cant make a strong case
>What does labeling myself have to do with it?
It's not the label of you yourself that is important, but rather, the argument that is characteristic of the label. I should have made that more clear. Your respect for legislation in principle is reasonable. but again, there are problems with this solution in general.
>Also, i dont want to get into a debate about every single example used in these posts. If you have questions for me, ask, if not, turning a nuanced situation such as my ultimate set of principles and political beliefs, that i would have to write a book to express in one go, into a cookie cutter us vs then argument would be too hard.
That's fine.
>I never said im so adherent to my principals that i cant take individual situations under critical consideration, and if i was put in a position where the decision was mine, i might bend them to suite it, i just said that while im talking on the pony website about goings ons in the world, ill mostly look at the situation through the lens of my principals and apply them in debate.
>Thats really the difference i see between you an I and how we argue.
sounds accurate.
>Im here trying to have a philosophical debate on current events, even if i disagree with myself to better hone my opinion and put my own principles to the test for fun. I wasnt born with opinons and principles, they are cultivated through participating in these kinds of conversations. But some of you guys treat this shit like its a life or death situation, like the convo we are having is the deciding factor in the course of world history.
I'm interested in the philosophy as put into practice. and I do see it as a life or death situation. There are people out there who want to ruin my life because I said "faggot" at some indeterminate point in my life. or because I rapped along to "Gold Digger" I should therefore never be able to hold a job again. You probably think that's absurd, but people have been cancelled for less. Maybe you think you'll skate by if the radicals take power, but I refuse to bend the knee to their ideology. Free speech, free thought, and free expression is the hill that I'm prepared to die on, and if your principles allow the radicals to take control and stamp out freedom, then I'm going to argue against your principles, even if I agree with them in theory. and if your post lends tacit support to the side that wants to stamp out freedom of speech, I'm going to argue against that too. *
>If you're a part of some war or someshit, leave me out of it. If you dont like my opinon, dont reply to me, but idk who you think i am, but im really just some schmuck ffs haha.
The culture war is raging around you. You're dragged into it whether you want to be or not.
>So why not say it?
previously, because it didn't accomplish anything. now, because of strategy.
>Lets all pray together that isn't true haha.
I'm glad you do have influence, because you're one of the few voices of reason around here.

* There is of course more to it than just freedom of speech, but that is the core concern, the one from which everything else derives, and the one that relies on other systems also operating properly.
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>>393031
>>You have more influence than you think.
>Lets all pray together that isn't true haha.
Heh, I'll be all for you having more influence!

>>393057
>National_Defense_Act_of_1916
>1916
At that time, the militia (as a whole) was basically no longer well-functioning. The National Guard is the organized militia, but the Constitutional conception of the militia was to include all able-bodied men of fighting age (and that is still codified by statute). If Congress wanted to enact a law to equip every citizen with an AR-15, it would be well within its Constitutional powers to do so and to preempt any state laws banning AR-15s.

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States
consists of all able-bodied males at
least 17 years of age and ... under 45
years of age who are, or who have made
a declaration of intention to become,
citizens of the United States and of
female citizens of the United States
who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which
consists of the National Guard and
the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which
consists of the members of the militia
who are not members of the National
Guard or the Naval Militia.

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>>393060
>There are people out there who want to ruin my life because I said "faggot" at some indeterminate point in my life. or because I rapped along to "Gold Digger" I should therefore never be able to hold a job again.
>You probably think that's absurd
Well, there are people out there that want to ruin someones life because of that, sure. I dont think im one of them though, because it would be too much work for too little gain, who the fuck am I?
I agree though, its god awful that it can happen, its the worst. But, its really not a new phenomenon, its just more exemplified because of social media. But, social media is insaine. I dont think you'll get cancelled, unless you post that stuff on your Facebook and you're a huge jerk to someone. Like, you wont be chosen at random. Or at least, thats how i see it.
>Maybe you think you'll skate by if the radicals take power
It really depends on the radicals i figure. It also depends on what you mean by skate by. Im more than willing to take up arms in the violent defence of my and my familiars freedom, just not offence.
So it really depends on the effects of said radicals and how it effects the daily lives of the people i love.
Honestly, i think radical has become the new norm in general and its getting worse, which is why i dont advocate using the same tactics, its a snowball effect.
>Free speech, free thought, and free expression is the hill that I'm prepared to die on, and if your principles allow the radicals to take control and stamp out freedom, then I'm going to argue against your principles, even if I agree with them in theory.
I would absolutely die on those hills, but imo twitter isnt even a bump.

You have to understand, i don't see social media as being all that important, and i dont think others should ether. Thats the ideal that I want to push, personally, is that we as people shouldnt be giving these companies this kind of power in the first place. If you chop of the head, the body will die. Thats why i keep saying, dont die on the hill of twitter, decentralize the internet. 90% of twitter users just want to see what some celebs or sports people are saying in the first place. Let Twitter moderate itself into a circle jerk, all those banned people will go somewhere (or just change their IP). We use to do it, all the time and somehow we got stuck on twitter and FB.

I think you need to understand something about me to understand my position. I dont have the internet, i dont have TV, i dont use twitter Facebook, ect... the only site i talk on with any frequency is this one. I have a 16 dollar electric bill, i take baths out of a 4 gallon lobster pot that i heat up on a stove, im trying to put myself in a position where i produce my own food, heat, and electricity (which im pretty fucking close) my healthcare plan is to live as healthy as i can until i die, without getting doctors too involved. My standard of living is lowwwww haha, but im comfy and im happy, and i only need to work a few days a week and im able to take a minimum wage job i enjoy. I have a good dog, im out doing what i want to do, and i have like, hardly the impact on the world that most people do environmentally.
I quit 3 jobs in the past year just because i didnt like them. One of then was a 100k job, but i couldn't stand sitting in traffic to sit at a desk for 8 hours. Sure, i almost lost my house, but if i did, i would just live in my car until better times haha.
So as far as twitter goes, dont use it, it sucks, fuck that place, dont use it, and advocate for not using it, and i will too, and that doubles the advocacy haha. Its unnecessary, its fake, and the more we fight for it the more we legitimize it.

I live the way I think i should be living. I live the way i think is right. I didnt ask to live in the first place, but fuck it, im here, so i might as well.
Since im only going to be for literally no time at all, the way i see it, is if im going to have any impact or influence at all, i want it to be mine. I dont want to join a side, i dont want to think about tactics, i just want to live, and say what i think is right.
Im not even saying im right btw, im probably fucking wrong haha. Im a lunatic, and im told that a lot. I dont expect everyone to run out and buy a lobster pot so they only use 4 gallons of water to bathe or start hunting, quit social media and only talk on small message boards and shit. I wouldn't expect them to, wouldn't ask them to, and i wouldn't criticize them for not doing it, BUT its what i do, because its what i think is right.
My influence i assume has about the same impact on society as my bodies gravitational pull on the earth. It exists and it measurable, but it means jack shit. Like, the recoil from a rocket launch, in 10000 years it might move the orbit of the planet 1/4" from where it would otherwise be, and if i could get society to move that 1/4" in 10000 years to where i think it should be, i think ill have done more than i expected.

Or we will all go extinct in the nuclear race war, idk haha. Thats the thing, i dont know, i really dont, its all so fucking complex, there are a million opinions, trying to pull things a million different ways, there is so much to life that its impossible for me to ever hope to have a solid grasp on 1/100th of "whats going on" and i for sure dont expect to read about it in the news haha. But, if asked a question, ill give my take, why not?

Also, im absolutely just rambling now haha, but this is a pretty existential topic and im really fucking tired.

I guess what im trying to say is that if i have any influence at all, i want it to come from me, my perspective and what i believe, right or wrong . My perspective is the only thing i can pretend to be sure of, and even thats questionable sometimes haha. I'm not comfortable being a soldier for some ideology.
If your place in the culture war is the tactics and shit, that fair, but i dont think its mine.

>>393060
>>I'm glad you do have influence
>>393065
>Heh, I'll be all for you having more influence!
Thanks.

Also >>393065
I really need to sleep, ill try to get to your post tomorrow.
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>>393080
>I really need to sleep,
Goodnight, have pleasant dreams!

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>>393080
>Well, there are people out there that want to ruin someones life because of that, sure. I dont think im one of them though, because it would be too much work for too little gain, who the fuck am I?
You're a white male, and therefore by definition an evil racist according to some. That alone might be reason enough.
>I agree though, its god awful that it can happen, its the worst. But, its really not a new phenomenon, its just more exemplified because of social media. But, social media is insaine. I dont think you'll get cancelled, unless you post that stuff on your Facebook and you're a huge jerk to someone. Like, you wont be chosen at random. Or at least, thats how i see it.
Well you're right - I won't be chosen at random. I'll be chosen because I vocally disagree with them. and dissidents need to be stamped out. That is the whole point of cancel culture.
>It really depends on the radicals i figure. It also depends on what you mean by skate by. Im more than willing to take up arms in the violent defence of my and my familiars freedom, just not offence.
I don't expect there would be anything left to defend by that point, and it'd be easier for you to just keep your head down and play along.
>So it really depends on the effects of said radicals and how it effects the daily lives of the people i love.
What is the line for you?
>Honestly, i think radical has become the new norm in general and its getting worse, which is why i dont advocate using the same tactics, its a snowball effect.
Again, if one were to let radicals use unprincipled tactics unchecked, he would have only himself to blame when the radicals impose their rule upon him.
>I would absolutely die on those hills, but imo twitter isnt even a bump.
Twitter is not the hill. Twitter is a means to an end. In that sense, it is important and worth fighting over.

>You have to understand, i don't see social media as being all that important, and i dont think others should ether. Thats the ideal that I want to push, personally, is that we as people shouldnt be giving these companies this kind of power in the first place. If you chop of the head, the body will die. Thats why i keep saying, dont die on the hill of twitter, decentralize the internet. 90% of twitter users just want to see what some celebs or sports people are saying in the first place. Let Twitter moderate itself into a circle jerk, all those banned people will go somewhere (or just change their IP). We use to do it, all the time and somehow we got stuck on twitter and FB.

I agree with you in principle, but in reality, it matters. These sites have massive amounts of influence and use that influence with monopolistic fervor. And they are not only using that influence in ways that are counter to the most fundamental principle I hold, they are also actively working to subvert our democratic process through deception. I can't abide by that - private companies or not.
>I think you need to understand something about me to understand my position.
I have a lot of respect for your livestyle.
>So as far as twitter goes, dont use it, it sucks, fuck that place, dont use it, and advocate for not using it, and i will too, and that doubles the advocacy haha. Its unnecessary, its fake, and the more we fight for it the more we legitimize it.
It has legitimacy, whether we want it to or not.
>I live the way I think i should be living. I live the way i think is right. I didnt ask to live in the first place, but fuck it, im here, so i might as well.
>Since im only going to be for literally no time at all, the way i see it, is if im going to have any impact or influence at all, i want it to be mine. I dont want to join a side, i dont want to think about tactics, i just want to live, and say what i think is right.
>Im not even saying im right btw, im probably fucking wrong haha. Im a lunatic, and im told that a lot. I dont expect everyone to run out and buy a lobster pot so they only use 4 gallons of water to bathe or start hunting, quit social media and only talk on small message boards and shit. I wouldn't expect them to, wouldn't ask them to, and i wouldn't criticize them for not doing it, BUT its what i do, because its what i think is right.
>I guess what im trying to say is that if i have any influence at all, i want it to come from me, my perspective and what i believe, right or wrong. My perspective is the only thing i can pretend to be sure of, and even thats questionable sometimes.
I can appreciate the sentiment.

>If your place in the culture war is the tactics and shit, then have at it, but i dont think its mine.

It's means to an end, and given the stakes, and the opposition, I am prepared to do whatever it takes. Based on current trends, if the Democrats win in November, I predict we will be that much closer to the end of Western Civilization. Free thought will be eroded in the name of BLM and cultural sensitivity, much as has already happened in Europe. Since the Republicans are already considered a hate group by definition, we will have have a move to a de facto one party government, as pressured by "muh private company" social media platforms. With a further increase in censorship, the USA will come to resemble China before long (as if US media wasn't already praising China as a model society) - either you restrict yourself to saying what you're allowed to say, or you become a nonperson. And as we whinge about pronouns and diversity,and the 10 unarmed black men who die to cops each year, the internationally weak USA will reestablish friendly relations with China for the sake of low cost consumer shit. Taiwan will be invaded by China and fall, and we'll stand by with our thumb up our ass, probably without even consulting the UN to protest - because low cost consumer shit is more important than freedom. Vietnam, Australia, the Philippines, and Japan will all cave to Chinese pressure. rapid expansion in government spending on welfare programs will accelerate our already unsustainable inflation, and the rest of the world abandoning the dollar as the currency standard will lead to hyperinflation and the collapse of our economy. and then the USA will finally fall into whatever authoritarian leftist nightmare fantasy they can scrounge out of the crisis, and the experiment will be over. but hey, maybe people won't bother you and you can watch from the sidelines.

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>>393031
>The best possible outcome is i get to provide my own.

Well yeah, but I meant within the purview of getting drafted and being issued a government sidearm. Guarantee you wouldn't get their best.

As regards the transition from the militia to the National Guard I'll pull some quotes out of "Military Preparedness and the Engineer" by Ernest F. Robinson, Captain, Corp of Engineers N.G.N.Y. 1916" later.
Can't do it right now because I have to get ready for a doctor's appointment this afternoon. But that book has some interesting insights into the transitional period between the state militia and the NG as we know it today as well as people's conception of things like compulsory military service from a century ago.

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In regards to social media, /r/The_Donald split off from reddit and is now it's own increasingly successful site https://TheDonald.win. It seems like they're adding more (sub)sites for other banned subreddits. So, I wouldn't count out a free-market solution yet.

Personally, I'd still reserve government regulation to infrastructure and website hosting and avoid regulating companies that routinely moderate end-user speech. I'd extend net neutrality / public accommodation nondiscrimination laws to prevent electricity distribution companies, ISPs, and infrastructure/hosting companies from engaging in viewpoint discrimination in or affecting interstate commerce.

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>>393124
How long before the website get's taken down because of cloudfare or what have you?

Didn't we go through this song and dance before? I mean the patreon alternative was literally just made moot because of MasterCard putting them in the same category of terrorism which is ridiculous.

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>>393124
>>393126
There's always a bigger fish muh private company.

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>>393126
>How long before the website get's taken down because of cloudfare or what have you?
Yeah, that's why I suggested (in >>393124) that infrastructure companies like CloudFlare should be prohibited from discriminating based on viewpoint.

Come to think of it, might be better to itemize what they are allowed to discriminate based on (e.g., things like launching DDoS attacks, sending spam emails, etc.) -- a whitelist rather than a blacklist approach.

Edit: And maybe banking/finance companies should also be subject to non-discrimination laws.
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Quick replys:
>>393065
Well, fair enough. It also includes anyone who has declared intention of becoming a citizen, so would Congress be able to equip one of those immigration caravans with ar15s too?

>>393114
Ah, fair enough. Id take a 320 then, even though i like the 92 better, simply because it would surely be in better shape, or at least have a better chance of being in shape.
They should have gone with the m9a3 though.

Post it whe you get a chance, sounds interesting.

>>393124
>Personally, I'd still reserve government regulation to infrastructure and website hosting
It would make more sense to regulate the infrastructure than individual websites imo.
>>393126
So whats funny, is your not allowed to post anti trump opinions or posts on thedonald, as they as a self described "24/7 high energy trump rally, no exceptions".
So, the rules you're advocating for twitter to fall under would also apply to T_D leaving them vulnerable to raids, of which im sure there would be many.
T_D would be forced to allow anti trump propaganda on their site, or lose protections by becoming a publisher which means they would have 2 choices: A) allow anti trump posts, that would be raided with upvotes, making the whole front page a war, with the left raiding them to keep antintrump shit on the front page or B) curate the content the way they currently do, become responsible for all content posted and be vulnerable to CP raids.
So, what im advocating is just as much protecting places like T_D as it is twitter.

>>393088
Will reply when i have a minute to sit down.
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>>393136
>so would Congress be able to equip one of those immigration caravans with ar15s too?
Yes, if they're on US soil, or if Congress declares war on whatever country they're located in. (Note that I am not making any comment on whether it would be a wise decision; I am only commenting on whether it would be Constitutionally permissible.)

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>>393143
Haha, so it turns out that all the guns the obama admin gave to Mexican drug cartels illegally, they could have given them legally the whole time.

Okay, so Congress can tell you to carry a gun because your in the federal militia, and they can tell you what gun it needs to be because they have the power to set the standards of training and equipment, what happens when that gun they require is a single shot .25acp, and now everyone can only carry a single shot .25acp and 1 issued round and you need to take a 2 month training course to get it?
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>>393150
>now everyone can only carry a single shot .25acp
The federal government has the power to set a minimum standard of what citizens must have for their militia duties, but it does not have the power to prohibit citizens from keeping or bearing other Constitutionally protected arms. (Exactly what arms are protected is another question. Ordinary semi-automatic pistols and revolvers are definitely protected, as per Heller. I'd say that AR-15s are also protected, but so far courts have been delinquent in protecting them. Most likely nuclear bombs aren't protected arms.)

>they could have given them legally the whole time.

Yes, they could have, but it would have been extraordinarily unwise. Probably would have led to retaliation from Mexico.
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>>393154
>The federal government has the power to set a minimum standard of what citizens must have for their militia duties.

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>>393156
I mean, it's right there in the Constitution, Article 1 Section 8:
"The Congress shall have power to ... provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"

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>>393154
Arms as I see it at least in regards to private ownership is essentially anything man portable, i would say.
This being because of the nature of warfare as the time, with the firearms already explicitly allowed and for that matter used where the mainstay firearms of the infantry.

There may also be some precedent for artillery pieces, since as I understand it privately owned naval ships were allowed or at least owned, given the American privitiering.
I think full on ICBMs are a bit much. But, then, who could pay for the maintenance, let alone initial costs, anyway?
There's also some international treaties as I understand besides.

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>>393088
>That alone might be reason enough.
Or apparently now that the right is "fighting fire with fire", maybe new exciting ways to be cancelled will crop up. Hooray.
I mean, how likely do you really think it is that somoeone is going to "cancel" you from uber, just because you're white?
>I'll be chosen because I vocally disagree with them. and dissidents need to be stamped out.
Is the rate of cancellation(?) Anywhere close to the rate of murder?
Have as many people been canceled over the weekend as have been shot in Chicago?
So, why is the knee jerk reaction to this good, but gun homicides the "cost of freedom"? (I am not advocating for cancel culture or expressing and anti gun sentiment here, btw)
Near as i can tell, cancelation is just weaponized free speech, yes? So, if twitter banned people from cancelling people on their platform, would you still be asking the federal government to step in and put a stop to twitters abuse in that reguard? Doxxing is free speech, is it not? I cant stalk you for the info, but I cant be arrested for saying someones real name, can I?
Why aren't you calling for the federal government to stop mods from banning people for posting names?
Do you see the fire you're playing with?
People are allll about free speech until someone posts your full legal name on the internet.
>I don't expect there would be anything left to defend by that point
My property and my constitutional rights.
If i thought a machine gun was worth having, and worth killing for, id have one, and id use it to kill. Likewise, i feel the same about the rest of my rights. Anyone can write whatever they want on a piece of paper, thats changes nothing, its up to me to decide if im going to obey it. Likewise, i feel the same of all my rights. If they banned the word nigger, and i had a good and appropriate reason to say the word nigger, i would still say nigger, and anyone who tried to put me in a cage for it would be shot. Its really that simple.
But thats in the real world, not this corporate web 2.0 bullshit. I wont get violent over being banned from twitter, because my freedom isn't at steak.
And honestly, dude, you've known me for at least 3 years, do i strike you as the kind of person who "keeps their head down"? Haha.
>What is the line for you?
As i expressed above, the line for me is when someone tries to put me in a cage or otherwise molest me for doing something that isn't physically impeding or endangering the rights or lives of others, and that i have the explicit constitutionally protected right to do.
>Again, if one were to let radicals use unprincipled tactics unchecked, he would have only himself to blame when the radicals impose their rule upon him.
Isnt that pretty much what im doing by arguing what i think is right, reguardless of what side im arguing agaisnt? Preforming the check? I mean, your saying fight fire with fire, that seems the opposite of this statement, unless im missing something.
I mean, i give the left just as much shit. Frankly, im personally more worried about being "canceled" by someone on the right, if im honest.
>It has legitimacy, whether we want it to or not.
If everyone that had a problem with twitter quit using Twitter, they would probably go broke in a week. It would at least turn into a massive circle jerk, and then the circle jerkers would start purity testing each other, and rip themselves apart, which would be funny to watch.
>It's means to an end
Marxists say that too.
>I am prepared to do whatever it takes.
Im scared to ask what you mean by that tbh. But, what do you mean by that?

Do you think things are worse right now than they were in the 60s? Where presidents and senators were being assassinated on live TV and people were denied access to public services because of the colour of their skin, and there were riots where people were shot and sicked on by attack dogs, and peacefully protesting students were slaughtered by the national guard?
Do you really think that the supreme court is going to just lay down and take it while we turn into "literally china"? Do you think every state, city, town, and county government in the entire country is just going to turn into programed computers and all abide by this dystopian hellscape you describe, and you think this is all going to happen in the course of the next 4 years if biden gets in?
Or, maybe its just that you surround yourself with the vast minority of extremists on the internet, and watch a bunch of youtube talking heads, actively seeking those people and that media, and your perspective of the situation is driven by it to see it as way more of a problem than it actually is?

Idk, all i know is my way makes it less likely ill make a grave mistake and become just be a useful idiot to this bullshit media driven dichotomy by misinterpreting the massively complex, and mostly covert, goings on of society based on almost completely bias information.
The colloquialism, im not directing that term at you.

To me,if i may wear the tinfoil for a moment, the fact that your so willing to "pick a side" and dismiss what you think is right as "a means to an end" plays right into the divide and conquer tactics that we know communists and marxists use. Its not the the statues being removed that will distroy US society, its the petty arguments and tribalism it causes.
If we do turn into china, it will be because people are begging to expand federal power, because twitter sucks, and they wish Twitter was better, instead of just, you know... not using twitter including the president. I see that doing more to push us towards this dystopian movie plot your describing than being banned from a 140 character message board.
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>>393088
>Based on current trends, if the Democrats win in November, I predict we will be that much closer to the end of Western Civilization. Free thought will be eroded in the name of BLM and cultural sensitivity, much as has already happened in Europe.
I doubt that the outcome of the election will have much influence on on free thought. That's really a property of the population, not the government, at least in the US. If people started actually thinking for themselves instead of just repeating what they hear in the media like NPCs (and a large slice of the population on both sides of the aisle are guilty of this), the problem would basically correct itself.

Also, all mainstream judicial candidates support the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of speech. If you want something to be worried about w.r.t. Biden's potential SCOTUS picks, look at the next amendment in the Bill of Rights. (For the record, I think that both Trump and Biden are horrible presidential nominees. I doubt Trump really believes in (or even understands) any of the great principles behind our republic. Maybe I'll write in Mk17 for president, heh.)

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>tribalism
Oh yeah, political tribalism is a major disaster in the US. SlateStarCodex had some interesting blog posts about political tribalism:

http://archive.is/BC3ZA "The Ideology Is Not The Movement" April 2016
http://archive.is/QRJ6m "I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup" Sept 2014
http://archive.is/fwZTo "Five Case Studies On Politicization" July 2016
http://archive.is/xTNeL "Post-partisanship Is Hyper-partisanship" October 2016
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>>393173
Personally, I think that if the Democrats win, secession is inevitable.

but, then, I also think that is a good thing. I am a bit of a secessionist.

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>>393178
>Personally, I think that if the Democrats win, secession is inevitable.
Eh, I think you might be over-estimating the power of the presidency. Trump couldn't even get his wall built, despite having a majority of both houses of Congress in his first two years. Unless the Dems win a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, I doubt they'll do anything extreme. And if they don't even get a simple majority in the Senate, it is highly unlikely they'll be able to pass an """assault weapons""" ban or shit like that, and judicial appointments will be a big fight.
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>>393180

>No wall

>'muslim ban' flops before its fully implemented
>Fills the swamp rather than drains it
>More immigration than ever
>Gun control still being implemented

There's a reason people on /pol/ and most people who are honestly far right don't really like Trump, which is funny given how everyone on the left claims Trump is the new Hitler
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>>393171
>Or apparently now that the right is "fighting fire with fire", maybe new exciting ways to be cancelled will crop up. Hooray.
What do you think it is, when people dig up old photos of leftist media personalities in black face or saying forbidden words?
>I mean, how likely do you really think it is that somoeone is going to "cancel" you from uber, just because you're white?
Pretty likely. I am a person with a presence on the Internet.
>Is the rate of cancellation(?) Anywhere close to the rate of murder?
>Have as many people been canceled over the weekend as have been shot in Chicago?
Cancellation isn't a one and done event. You can't be murdered more than once. And the cancellation attempts are non-stop. What do you think a political hit-piece is?
>So, why is the knee jerk reaction to this good, but gun homicides the "cost of freedom"? (I am not advocating for cancel culture or expressing and anti gun sentiment here, btw)
I'm not sure what your point is here, but this seems like a whataboutism.
>Near as i can tell, cancelation is just weaponized free speech, yes?
In the loosest sense, yes. It is using your free speech to intentionally remove someone else's.
>So, if twitter banned people from cancelling people on their platform, would you still be asking the federal government to step in and put a stop to twitters abuse in that reguard?
Yes, because the main problem with twitter is the platform - not the users.
>Doxxing is free speech, is it not?
It is.
>I cant stalk you for the info, but I cant be arrested for saying someones real name, can I?
Confusing phrasing, but as far as I'm aware, doxxing is not illegal.
>Why aren't you calling for the federal government to stop mods from banning people for posting names?
Because at its core, doxxing is a form of terrorism, that just happens to be legal.
>Do you see the fire you're playing with?
No. I honestly don't see that anything you've said thus far contradicts anything I've said.
>People are allll about free speech until someone posts your full legal name on the internet.
I'm not in favor of making doxxing illegal. What people do with the dox, is a different story.
>My property and my constitutional rights.
And what happens when an Amendment takes those rights away? e.g. you said you were fine with legislation.
>If i thought a machine gun was worth having, and worth killing for, id have one, and id use it to kill. Likewise, i feel the same about the rest of my rights. Anyone can write whatever they want on a piece of paper, thats changes nothing, its up to me to decide if im going to obey it. Likewise, i feel the same of all my rights. If they banned the word nigger, and i had a good and appropriate reason to say the word nigger, i would still say nigger, and anyone who tried to put me in a cage for it would be shot. Its really that simple.
And if you don't have a good and appropriate reason, would you care?
>But thats in the real world, not this corporate web 2.0 bullshit. I wont get violent over being banned from twitter, because my freedom isn't at steak.
I wouldn't expect you to get violent over it.
>And honestly, dude, you've known me for at least 3 years, do i strike you as the kind of person who "keeps their head down"? Haha.
Yes. You were literally just describing how you are essentially off the grid. The world could go up in flames and you would be largely unaffected. And if it doesn't effect you or your friends/family personally, you don't seem to care about the end result. I could be wrong, but that's my interpretation.
>As i expressed above, the line for me is when someone tries to put me in a cage or otherwise molest me for doing something that isn't physically impeding or endangering the rights or lives of others, and that i have the explicit constitutionally protected right to do.
This is why I said (as above) you're unlikely to be effected. Your concern seems to be for "things Mk does" rather than "things Mk can do". And the thing you do are unlikely to draw any attention to yourself.
>>Again, if one were to let radicals use unprincipled tactics unchecked, he would have only himself to blame when the radicals impose their rule upon him.
>Isnt that pretty much what im doing by arguing what i think is right, reguardless of what side im arguing agaisnt? Preforming the check? I mean, your saying fight fire with fire, that seems the opposite of this statement, unless im missing something.
Sort of. My point was that arguing principles has no effect on someone who doesn't care about principles. So in that sense, no, you aren't keeping those people in check. And if those same people impose their will upon you, then sure - you win the moral argument, but you've lost in the ways that matter in the real world.
>I mean, i give the left just as much shit. Frankly, im personally more worried about being "canceled" by someone on the right, if im honest.
The "right" (everyone from center left and over) has become the de facto side of free speech, so I'm not sure what you think even the hardest line ultra-conservatives would want to cancel you over.
>>It has legitimacy, whether we want it to or not.
>If everyone that had a problem with twitter quit using Twitter, they would probably go broke in a week. It would at least turn into a massive circle jerk, and then the circle jerkers would start purity testing each other, and rip themselves apart, which would be funny to watch.
It would be. but not before destroying everything possible in its dying breath.

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>>393171
>>It's means to an end
>Marxists say that too.
It's not ineffective just because Marxists say it. In fact, it's the reason Marxism has a major advantage over liberalism.
>>I am prepared to do whatever it takes.
>Im scared to ask what you mean by that tbh. But, what do you mean by that?
In the short term, be vocal about the dangers of leftist ideology. We'll see where it goes from there.
>Do you think things are worse right now than they were in the 60s?
Yes.
>Where presidents and senators were being assassinated on live TV and people were denied access to public services because of the colour of their skin, and there were riots where people were shot and sicked on by attack dogs, and peacefully protesting students were slaughtered by the national guard?
The difference is that back then, we didn't have two factions that each consider the other to be essentially evil and beyond redemption. Individual events may have been worse, but the nation as a whole is much worse now.
>Do you really think that the supreme court is going to just lay down and take it while we turn into "literally china"?
Yes.
>Do you think every state, city, town, and county government in the entire country is just going to turn into programed computers and all abide by this dystopian hellscape you describe,
They don't really have a choice, so in general, yes.
>and you think this is all going to happen in the course of the next 4 years if biden gets in?
No, probably 12 years. But he'll be the catalyst.
>Or, maybe its just that you surround yourself with the vast minority of extremists on the internet, and watch a bunch of youtube talking heads, actively seeking those people and that media, and your perspective of the situation is driven by it to see it as way more of a problem than it actually is?
extreme centrists? I guess. My predictions are much more dire than others I've seen. In some ways, I'm just connecting the dots as laid out by the leftists themselves. I look at the legislation coming out of the House and see where they would like to go, assuming they had the Senate and POTUS to rubber stamp it.
>Idk, all i know is my way makes it less likely ill make a grave mistake and become just be a useful idiot to this bullshit media driven dichotomy by misinterpreting the massively complex, and mostly covert, goings on of society based on almost completely bias information.
>The colloquialism, im not directing that term at you.
I hope you're right.
>To me,if i may wear the tinfoil for a moment, the fact that your so willing to "pick a side" and dismiss what you think is right as "a means to an end" plays right into the divide and conquer tactics that we know communists and marxists use. Its not the the statues being removed that will distroy US society, its the petty arguments and tribalism it causes.
We have already been divided. Not fighting back ensures being conquered.
>If we do turn into china, it will be because people are begging to expand federal power, because twitter sucks, and they wish Twitter was better, instead of just, you know... not using twitter including the president. I see that doing more to push us towards this dystopian movie plot your describing than being banned from a 140 character message board.
And when Twitter isn't reigned in, and instead, ensures that political debate ceases to be meaningful by restricting debate itself, that anyone they disagree with is demonized as a matter of course, and is one of the many pieces that fall into place to ensure that elections become meaningless, and people just go along with it for various reasons, I wonder what your take will be.

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>>393173
>I doubt that the outcome of the election will have much influence on on free thought. That's really a property of the population, not the government, at least in the US.
It won't be Biden that does it. It will be the platforms that support Biden, which will in turn receive zero pushback once he's elected. Then they'll have free reign to censor as they please, without any pretense, and with the blessing of the government. Trump is the only opposition they have right now (aside from Warren, who's now irrelevant).
>If people started actually thinking for themselves instead of just repeating what they hear in the media like NPCs (and a large slice of the population on both sides of the aisle are guilty of this), the problem would basically correct itself.
That's a pretty big ask.
>Also, all mainstream judicial candidates support the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of speech.
But (as people love to remind me) the First Amendment doesn't apply to private platforms. And if all platforms ban you, then you become a non-entity.
>If you want something to be worried about w.r.t. Biden's potential SCOTUS picks, look at the next amendment in the Bill of Rights.
As important as it is, it isn't a make or break issue for me.
>I doubt Trump really believes in (or even understands) any of the great principles behind our republic.
You're probably right. But as a non-politician who understands finance, trade, and negotiations, I do consider him to be a net positive despite his faults.

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>>393180
It's not so much the presidency as the control Democrats already exert over far too much.
Trump couldn't get the wall because the entire system was effectively against him. Democrats do not seem to have that issue. Moreover, thanks to being willing to use dirty tactics, as well as Republicans being about as useless and do-nothing as you can get, I don't believe they'll have difficulty steamrolling whatever they desire through.
And given the steadily escalating extremism, it's going to be bad.

It might not mean "ban assault weapons". But, there's a helluva lot of other things they can do that'll damage a lot. And given how fucked things already are, I'm not confident states with generally reasonable people in their populations will want to remain.

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>>393198
>Trump couldn't get the wall because the entire system was effectively against him.
I'm pretty sure the main issue was that the Senate Democrats filibustered the funding bill for the wall. (And of course when the House flipped to a Dem majority, they blocked wall funding there as well.)

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>>393194
>What do you think it is, when people dig up old photos of leftist media personalities in black face or saying forbidden words?
Showing hypocrisy in most cases.
>Pretty likely. I am a person with a presence on the Internet.
In what capacity? We are all people with a presence on the internet. Do you think your chances are higher than mine, or do you think we all run the same risk?
>Cancellation isn't a one and done event. You can't be murdered more than once. And the cancellation attempts are non-stop. What do you think a political hit-piece is?
Is this to suggest that being canceled is a fate worse than death?
>whataboutism
Its not "whataboutism" its a 1:1 comparison between the misuses of constitutionally protected rights.
My point is, you've dismissed the firearms murder rate in cities like Chicago, because you feel like the right is more important than the misuses of it, so why is cancellation, which happens at a much smaller rate, and impacts less people, such a huge problem?
>It is using your free speech to intentionally remove someone else's.
Do you think the government should do something about that.
>Yes, because the main problem with twitter is the platform - not the users.
But the users are what make it up. Twitter is worried about ad revenue and retaining users, so they ban people who are offending the majority. Twitter only does anything, because they think its what people want. Afaik Twitter wasnt conceptualized as a way to fuck with a president that didnt exist, or snuff out right wing opinions it was just social messaging service. If it was originally intended for these things, they probably would have been banning people from the start.
>Confusing phrasing, but as far as I'm aware, doxxing is not illegal.
Cyber stalking is illegal. Most doxxing victims win their suites because the doxer in question stalked them to learn personal identity information, or advocated for others to use the information for malicious purposes such as harrassment.
>I honestly don't see that anything you've said thus far contradicts anything I've said.
Im not trying to put you in a position of contradiction, so thats a fair assessment.
<do you see the fire your playing with
>I'm not in favor of making doxxing illegal.
Because that would be a restriction of free speech i assume, correct?
So that being the case, if cancellation is doxxing, and doxxing is free speech, and any platform that dosen't protect free speech should lose all legal protections, then any site that prohibits doxxing of users should lose all legal protections in your opinion, right?
So good. You are advocating for an internet that not only accepts cancel culture, but actively permits it on all platforms.
No an internet i would advocate for if you're also under the opinion that doxing is = or > murder.
>And what happens when an Amendment takes those rights away?
Well, over ~3700 legislators would have to agree to remove an amendment from the bill of rights, and of course, it would be challenged in the courts so a majority of scotus judges would also have to agree. So, it highly unlikely. But, since this is hypothetical, i would probably continue to act as if nothing had changed, much like weed being a felony didnt really stop people from smoking it.
The thing about the bill of right is, its inalienable, its not permission to do something, that can be taken away, its a reminder of what you as a human will always be able to do.
>And if you don't have a good and appropriate reason, would you care?
Care about what? To what level?
>I wouldn't expect you to get violent over it.
So what do you mean by all this "we must do what is necessary" stuff? Complain more?

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Mk17 (ID: 832c73)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  393234

>>393194
>>393233
>You were literally just describing how you are essentially off the grid. The world could go up in flames and you would be largely unaffected. And if it doesn't effect you or your friends/family personally, you don't seem to care about the end result. I could be wrong, but that's my interpretation.
I live on on the twilight edge of where urban, suburban and rural sprawl meet. In 10 minutes can be downtown at an art gallery, or in the middle of the woods hunting squirrel. I can touch my house and the house next to mine at the same time, and the house next to mine is split up into appartments that are mostly occupied by section 8 immigrants and white trash domestic abusers. Just because my power bill is low, doesn't mean im not impacted by the goings on of society.
Yes, i will protect myself and my family, because that is what im responsible for, and i advocate others do the same, and in that way we will all be protected.
>This is why I said (as above) you're unlikely to be effected.
I believe this will be my fourth time saying the word nigger in this conversation.
I exercise other rights when i want to as well.
>Your concern seems to be for "things Mk does"
Please dont tell me what i think, ask me, before this becomes a personal attack shitstorm.
>And the thing you do are unlikely to draw any attention to yourself.
Oh yes, if there is one thing about me, its my meekness in expressing my opinion and my non confrontational nature ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
>My point was that arguing principles has no effect on someone who doesn't care about principles.
Maybe its not directly for their benifit i argue.
>The "right" (everyone from center left and over) has become the de facto side of free speech
Unless its something they dont like, like cancel culture.
>so I'm not sure what you think even the hardest line ultra-conservatives would want to cancel you over.
Expressing my opinion, as they are apparently fighting fire with fire and accepting cancel culture, are you not arguing that necessity? Not that they haven't done it forever, because they are just a bunch of people, and some people do that reguardless, but now its not even taboo. I find that more untrustworthy than the left who just always admitted to doing it, because at least you know where they stand.
Also, I didnt say the hardest ultra- conservatives, it could also be just someone who joined the right to pick a side.
>but not before destroying everything possible
Such as?
>>393195
>It's not ineffective just because Marxists say it. In fact, it's the reason Marxism has a major advantage over liberalism.
But it is still just as bad. The only reason liberals dont have an advantage it because they consistantly comprise their principles to join sides and fight fire with fire. Liberalism is in its root individualism, and individuals dont collectivise.
>In the short term, be vocal about the dangers of leftist ideology. We'll see where it goes from there.
Thats what antifa folks said too, but about the right.
>The difference is that back then, we didn't have two factions that each consider the other to be essentially evil and beyond redemption.
Yes we did, unless we studied different histories, it was still the left and the right and the Republicans and Democrats. I dont remeber hearing about all the 3rd 4th and 5th parties in the game.
>Individual events may have been worse, but the nation as a whole is much worse now.
Its still individual events now, the information is just more prolific. The news was a half hour in the evening, not 24 a day, and the best internet we had was the telephone.
>No, probably 12 years. But he'll be the catalyst.
This has been said about every single president.
>assuming they had the Senate and POTUS to rubber stamp it.
So if trump wins, you will be able to rest easy and the fight will be over? Well thank goodness for that.
I think the fight your fighting has gone on since time immemorial, because people who like to fight like to fight, and they will always find something to fight about.
>I hope you're right.
About what? You quoted 2 things.
>We have already been divided. Not fighting back ensures being conquered.
Have you considered fighting against the force dividing us, rather than giving in to what they want?
If you know this isna divide and conquer technique, why is your instinct to "choose a side"?
>And when Twitter isn't reigned in, and instead, ensures that political debate ceases to be meaningful by restricting debate itself, that anyone they disagree with is demonized as a matter of course, and is one of the many pieces that fall into place to ensure that elections become meaningless, and people just go along with it for various reasons, I wonder what your take will be.
I dont understand why you think twitter is the most powerful thing mankind has ever created.
My take will be the same, just stop using twitter.
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>>393234
>>The difference is that back then, we didn't have two factions that each consider the other to be essentially evil and beyond redemption.
>Yes we did, unless we studied different histories, it was still the left and the right and the Republicans and Democrats. I dont remeber hearing about all the 3rd 4th and 5th parties in the game.
I think his point there was mainly the "consider the other to be essentially evil and beyond redemption" thing rather than the number of factions. I.e., I think he was saying that political tribalism, political polarization, etc. are worse now than back then.

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>>393236
Maybe.
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>>393236
But idk

Mk17 (ID: 832c73)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  393241

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>>393236
Seemed just as bad.

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>>393236
Now imagine all those people being able to communicate instantly on the same platforms and the news being 24 hours and everyone had a video camera in their pocket.

Its the same kinds of people, doing the same kinds of shit, but only now less people die.
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>>393241
>LONG HAIR
> IS
>COMMUNISM

LMAO, did people really believe shit like that back then? Seems almost like a parody!

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>>393242
Maybe part of the issue is that social media sites are often echo chambers, whereas IRL people have to mix with a more politically diverse crowd? And I guess people are more inclined to be polite in face-to-face conversations than online?

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>>393241
>>393244
i can't even

Chain!Wall.j2i4Y (ID: 92c5b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  393248

>>393241
Wait a second... I think your image is photoshopped!
Compare it to this one:
https://www.loc.gov/item/2009632339/

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>>393245
>And I guess people are more inclined to be polite in face-to-face conversations than online?
Oh yeah, like all those peaceful meetings of the antifa and the proud guys.

It really was no different. People called each other nazis, people screamed about fascism and the end of america and demanding impeachment of presidents and rioting and shit.
Only, the national guard was shooting kids at colleges, the police used attack dogs and live ammo, there were lynchings, and the president of the united states was shot and killed.

The biggest difference i see, is that the pictures and footage were black and white, and only few people had the means to record the happenings and you couldn't see it all on demand and comment about it with your phone.
Do a deep dive into 1960s america.

Tell me this rutine couldnt just be plugged in today and work just as well.
George Carlin- Stand Up Routine 1965 [Reelin' In The Years Archives]

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>>393233
>>What do you think it is, when people dig up old photos of leftist media personalities in black face or saying forbidden words?
>Showing hypocrisy in most cases.
Yes, showing the hypocrisy of those who cancel others for thing they themselves have done. But the point is, if you don't go out of your way to engage in retributive cancel culture, then you get cancelled, and they don't - even though they are hypocrites regardless.
>>Pretty likely. I am a person with a presence on the Internet.
>In what capacity? We are all people with a presence on the internet. Do you think your chances are higher than mine, or do you think we all run the same risk?
Yes. How big is your YouTube channel?
>>Cancellation isn't a one and done event. You can't be murdered more than once. And the cancellation attempts are non-stop. What do you think a political hit-piece is?
>Is this to suggest that being canceled is a fate worse than death?
Did I say that? What's your point? Death is worse so I shouldn't care about cancel culture?
>>whataboutism
>Its not "whataboutism" its a 1:1 comparison between the misuses of constitutionally protected rights.
"what about this other issue that I care more about" doesn't negate my concerns about a different issue.
>My point is, you've dismissed the firearms murder rate in cities like Chicago,
did I? when did I do that?
>because you feel like the right is more important than the misuses of it,
I do agree, but that doesn't mean I dismiss it.
>so why is cancellation, which happens at a much smaller rate, and impacts less people, such a huge problem?
the direct impact is much smaller, but the cascading impacts are much wider.
>>It is using your free speech to intentionally remove someone else's.
>Do you think the government should do something about that.
only in terms of leveling the playing field - i.e. section 230.
>>Yes, because the main problem with twitter is the platform - not the users.
>But the users are what make it up. Twitter is worried about ad revenue and retaining users, so they ban people who are offending the majority.
wrong, they ban people who offend either a) the platform/mods/staff or b) the vocal users
>Twitter only does anything, because they think its what people want.
this is objectively false, unless by "people" you mean the ones doing the thing itself.
>Afaik Twitter wasnt conceptualized as a way to fuck with a president that didnt exist, or snuff out right wing opinions it was just social messaging service. If it was originally intended for these things, they probably would have been banning people from the start.
Correct. And you can actually see Dorsey touting Twitter as being the new town square in front of Congress. so again, this whole "let them build up the town square and then pull the rug out from under everyone they disagree with" by virtue of being a "private company" is disingenuous BS.
>>Confusing phrasing, but as far as I'm aware, doxxing is not illegal.
>Cyber stalking is illegal. Most doxxing victims win their suites because the doxer in question stalked them to learn personal identity information, or advocated for others to use the information for malicious purposes such as harrassment.
Is that true? Most cases that I've seen have been due to people directing to information that was already public. i.e. different accounts using the same user name, where one leads back to the person's real identity, etc.
>>I'm not in favor of making doxxing illegal.
>Because that would be a restriction of free speech i assume, correct?
yes.

I'll respond to the rest once I get back in a bit.

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>>393251
>>Do you think your chances are higher than mine, or do you think we all run the same risk?
>Yes.
Which one?

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>>393250
Well, I suppose the 1960s were a politically volatile time. What about the 1990s and 2000-2010? I feel that this past decade has been worse than the preceding two decades. But maybe that's just my perspective since I was younger back then.

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>>393136
>your not allowed to post anti trump opinions or posts on thedonald, as they as a self described "24/7 high energy trump rally, no exceptions".
Is that a rule or just what they're going for? I don't post there so I honestly don't know.

>T_D would be forced to allow anti trump propaganda on their site

Cool. I mean I'm sure the userbase would just shout them out. Spam posts can be cleared away I can imagine without too much complaints.

>So, what im advocating is just as much protecting places like T_D as it is twitter.

I'm not.

Chain!Wall.j2i4Y (ID: 92c5b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  393258

>>393251
>>Twitter only does anything, because they think its what people want.
>this is objectively false
I think you're underestimating the ideological blinders of Twatter employees. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they really do honestly believe that they're doing what the people want. Have you ever been to San Francisco? It's like another country over there!

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>>393257
>Is that a rule
Yes.

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>>393259
That's very gay of them.
It's not even pride month anymore either.

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>>393251
>But the point is, if you don't go out of your way to engage in retributive cancel culture, then you get cancelled, and they don't - even though they are hypocrites regardless.
And so are you.
>Yes. How big is your YouTube channel?
I've never seen you post political stuff on your YouTube channel, you mostly talk about uber and play political strategy games. The last one i saw you were trying to create a more liberal government to inspire more people to immigrate to beat the game mechanics.
Also, a few posts ago you were saying i have a ton of influence haha, so which is it?
>Did I say that?
Idk, thats why i asked you to clarify.
>What's your point?
To find out what you meant.
>Death is worse
I suppose thats the answer
>so I shouldn't care about cancel culture?
Never said that, asked if it has the same "cost of freedom" excuse.
>"what about this other issue that I care more about"
Putting words in my mouth, im not saying one is more important than the other, simply making a comparison with the assumption that they are equally important.
>doesn't negate my concerns about a different issue
They are both amendments to the bill of rights, so they are comparable.
>did I? when did I do that?
You have expressed opinions that you are pro second ammendment and dont think reatrictions should be put in place just because of misuses of the freedom, have you not?
>I do agree, but that doesn't mean I dismiss it.
Theres one right there.
>the direct impact is much smaller, but the cascading impacts are much wider.
Elaborate.
>wrong, they ban people who offend either a) the platform/mods/staff or b) the vocal users
Wrong? So they don't ban people who offend the majority?
>this is objectively false, unless by "people" you mean the ones doing the thing itself.
I dont understand what you mean by "the ones doing the thing itself". Rephrase or clarify, please.
>this whole "let them build up the town square and then pull the rug out from under everyone they disagree with" by virtue of being a "private company" is disingenuous BS.
Is being disingenuous illegal? I dont think he was under oath.
If he wasnt under oath, then its free speech, and shouldn't we salute him for excercizing his rights? Or is it just the people who shit post "niggers need to die" that deserve our admiration and protection?
Agian, i dont see you fighting to lift rules banning doxxing, which we agree is also free speech, rules banning violent and racist rhetoric get criticism though.
>Is that true?
It varies by jurisdiction.
https://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2018/01/is-doxing-illegal.html
>yes.
See >>393255
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>>393255 The former.
>>393258 You've got a point there. Or perhaps they just don't consider people who disagree with them to be people.
>>393233
>So that being the case, if cancellation is doxxing, and doxxing is free speech, and any platform that dosen't protect free speech should lose all legal protections, then any site that prohibits doxxing of users should lose all legal protections in your opinion, right?
Well first off cancellation is not doxxing, but doxxing is free speech. Let's be clear, not all free speech is legal - nor should it be (e.g. child porn). Platforms that don't protect legal free speech shouldn't lose all protections - but they should lose those protections that are reserved for the public square. And if a site wants to restrict doxxing, which is not illegal as of now, then yes - it should lose the protections. But I also wouldn't have a problem with doxxing being made illegal through legislation or whathaveyou - which would make it possible to restrict doxxing and retain the protections.
>So good. You are advocating for an internet that not only accepts cancel culture, but actively permits it on all platforms.
Not exactly.
>No an internet i would advocate for if you're also under the opinion that doxing is = or > murder.
Well good, because that isn't what I said, but nice strawman.
>>And what happens when an Amendment takes those rights away?
>But, since this is hypothetical, i would probably continue to act as if nothing had changed, much like weed being a felony didnt really stop people from smoking it.
It sounds like the law itself is irrelevant to you in that case.
>The thing about the bill of right is, its inalienable, its not permission to do something, that can be taken away, its a reminder of what you as a human will always be able to do.
Have you ever heard of the 21st amendment? They can very much be taken away.
>>And if you don't have a good and appropriate reason, would you care?
>Care about what? To what level?
Let's say, if the law was "if you say nigger, you will go to jail for 60 days", and you don't have a good and justifiable reason to say "nigger", would you care about the law as a restriction of your rights, or would you just go along with it?
>>I wouldn't expect you to get violent over it.
>So what do you mean by all this "we must do what is necessary" stuff? Complain more?
fight fire with fire

more to come

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>>393256
>the 1990s
Ruby ridge, Waco, nation wide militia movement, nation wide AWB, atf agents being killed, the rise of mass shootings, Oklahoma city bombings, first world trade center attack.
>2000-2010
the battle for Seattle, 2nd more impressive WTC attack, patriot act, war protests, tea party movement, Republican obstructionism in Congress, george Bush is a nazi, rise of loljournalism.

Idk man, im not an encyclopedia, so these are not exhaustive lists. All im saying is the events of today are not unprecedented.

>>393257
>Is that a rule or just what they're going for?
Its a rule, they were much more clear when they were a sub on reddit that they would b+d all trump criticism.
>I mean I'm sure the userbase would just shout them out. Spam posts can be cleared away I can imagine without too much complaints.
Its really the updoot button that needs to be spammed.
Can be like 4 or 5 posts, its writing bots to keep adding upvotes is what is effective.
Thats one of the reasons T_D was so restricted on reddit in the first place, they would spam vote all their posts to the front page.

>I'm not.

So you're good with popular right wing outlets being shut down the same way as twitter?

>>393260
>That's very gay
Ur geh

>more to come

Hoboy haha.
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>>393234
>I live on on the twilight edge of where urban, suburban and rural sprawl meet. In 10 minutes can be downtown at an art gallery, or in the middle of the woods hunting squirrel. I can touch my house and the house next to mine at the same time, and the house next to mine is split up into appartments that are mostly occupied by section 8 immigrants and white trash domestic abusers. Just because my power bill is low, doesn't mean im not impacted by the goings on of society.
How much time and effort do you spend interacting with that society? I for one am surrounded by a city I have no connection to. It's not difficult to be isolated, regardless of how many people surround you. The more important question, though, is your reliance on that society. And it sounds like you are pretty self-reliant. Hence why I think you can get by regardless of the world burning around you.
>Yes, i will protect myself and my family, because that is what im responsible for, and i advocate others do the same, and in that way we will all be protected.
That's pretty vague. It sounds reasonable in theory, but in practice, it could mean anything.
>>This is why I said (as above) you're unlikely to be effected.
>I believe this will be my fourth time saying the word nigger in this conversation.
>I exercise other rights when i want to as well.
yeah, that's what I mean. "when you want to" is different from "because you can" or "because you should be able to" or "because no one else should have a say in it"
>>Your concern seems to be for "things Mk does"
>Please dont tell me what i think, ask me, before this becomes a personal attack shitstorm.
I said "seems" for a reason, because that is the impression I have gotten. I was hoping you'd clarify if it were incorrect.
>>And the thing you do are unlikely to draw any attention to yourself.
>Oh yes, if there is one thing about me, its my meekness in expressing my opinion and my non confrontational nature ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
Where you're confrontational, are you seeking to change anything about the outside world? because if you aren't, then I don't see why the outside world would take issue with you.
>>My point was that arguing principles has no effect on someone who doesn't care about principles.
>Maybe its not directly for their benifit i argue.
Sure. I believe you said it's to hone your mind or skills in logic or something to that effect. which is fine. In the cases I'm describing, I'm not arguing for their direct benefit either.
>>The "right" (everyone from center left and over) has become the de facto side of free speech
>Unless its something they dont like, like cancel culture.
Are you familiar with the "liberal paradox"? Because what I'm proposing is a solution, rather than rolling over and dying.
>>so I'm not sure what you think even the hardest line ultra-conservatives would want to cancel you over.
>Expressing my opinion, as they are apparently fighting fire with fire and accepting cancel culture, are you not arguing that necessity?
Are you trying to cancel people? If not, then it would be fighting [a lack of fire] with [nothing]. That's the whole point of reciprocity. and the whole point of what I've been saying.
>Not that they haven't done it forever, because they are just a bunch of people, and some people do that reguardless, but now its not even taboo. I find that more untrustworthy than the left who just always admitted to doing it, because at least you know where they stand.
Sure? but I'm not still living in the 90s.
>Also, I didnt say the hardest ultra- conservatives, it could also be just someone who joined the right to pick a side.
like myself? again, unless you're using the tactics of the Left, then I have no reason to use the Left's tactics against you
>>but not before destroying everything possible
>Such as?
nuking the remaining speech (not free speech) capabilities of the Right entirely, to sway opinion, especially just before the election

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>>393262
>cancellation is not doxxing
Its exposing things people have said in public or private and associating their real name with it, if need be. With the caveat of demanding they be fired, which is still free speech.
>But I also wouldn't have a problem with doxxing being made illegal through legislation or whathaveyou
So saying someones real name you wouldn't mind being illegal, but saying you think black people need to be shot in the streets is worth fighting for?
Neither should be imprisonable offensives, (barring the specificity of the ladder) but both should be able to be restricted on private property.
>strawman
Not a strawman. I said if your under that impression, and i asked you earlier to clarify that position.
Plus, i used "you" ubiquitously.
>It sounds like the law itself is irrelevant to you in that case.
Laws are suggestions, and laws that infringe on your rights or are unjust are not to be obeyed. If you choose to disobey them, you are told the consequences, but ultimately the choice is yours to decide if its worth it. That is the responsibility of freedom.
>Have you ever heard of the 21st amendment? They can very much be taken away.
You can erase the words on paper, yes, that doesn't mean you've taken away the right.
The rights are natural rights, not man made.
Agian, its not telling you what you can and cant do, its reminding government what they will never be able to stop.
>Let's say, if the law was "if you say nigger, you will go to jail for 60 days", and you don't have a good and justifiable reason to say "nigger", would you care about the law as a restriction of your rights, or would you just go along with it?
I would argue against it, yes. I dont think i would kill to stop it, but i would also still say nigger when i felt it was necessary reguardless of it.
>fight fire with fire
Are you willing to take a bullet in the war you perpetuate?

Goodnight.
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>>393234
>>It's not ineffective just because Marxists say it. In fact, it's the reason Marxism has a major advantage over liberalism.
>But it is still just as bad.
I agree.
>The only reason liberals dont have an advantage it because they consistantly comprise their principles to join sides and fight fire with fire.
No, the reason they lose is because they hold to their principles, and lose to those without principles.
>Liberalism is in its root individualism, and individuals dont collectivise.
And unfortunately, in the battle of individual vs mob, the mob wins. It's a numbers game.
>>In the short term, be vocal about the dangers of leftist ideology. We'll see where it goes from there.
>Thats what antifa folks said too, but about the right.
Don't push back against the terrorists, because it would be unprincipled to do so. In fact, turn the other cheek and let them keep wailing on you.
>>The difference is that back then, we didn't have two factions that each consider the other to be essentially evil and beyond redemption.
>Yes we did, unless we studied different histories, it was still the left and the right and the Republicans and Democrats. I dont remeber hearing about all the 3rd 4th and 5th parties in the game.
You missed the part about consider the other to be essentially evil and beyond redemption.
>>Individual events may have been worse, but the nation as a whole is much worse now.
>Its still individual events now, the information is just more prolific. The news was a half hour in the evening, not 24 a day, and the best internet we had was the telephone.
It's not just that. It's the divide between left and right that is worse.
>>No, probably 12 years. But he'll be the catalyst.
>This has been said about every single president.
only lately.
>>assuming they had the Senate and POTUS to rubber stamp it.
>So if trump wins, you will be able to rest easy and the fight will be over? Well thank goodness for that.
That is not what I said.
>I think the fight your fighting has gone on since time immemorial, because people who like to fight like to fight, and they will always find something to fight about.
People have been fighting. The fight has changed.
>>I hope you're right.
>About what? You quoted 2 things.
about me being wrong.
>>We have already been divided. Not fighting back ensures being conquered.
>Have you considered fighting against the force dividing us, rather than giving in to what they want?
Could you be more specific? What force are you referring to? Who are you referring to? What do you think they want?
>If you know this isna divide and conquer technique, why is your instinct to "choose a side"?
Because one side is fundamentally unable to compromise.
>>And when Twitter isn't reigned in, and instead, ensures that political debate ceases to be meaningful by restricting debate itself, that anyone they disagree with is demonized as a matter of course, and is one of the many pieces that fall into place to ensure that elections become meaningless, and people just go along with it for various reasons, I wonder what your take will be.
>I dont understand why you think twitter is the most powerful thing mankind has ever created.
It isn't. It's just in a position, at this time, to have a disproportionately massive impact on our politics and our society. and burying our heads in the sand doesn't change that.

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>>393265
I'm happy with everyone being made to respect free speech.
I don't think The Don is exempted from having to respect free speech.

Though I think we can start with the biggests ones first.

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>>393269
>So saying someones real name you wouldn't mind being illegal, but saying you think black people need to be shot in the streets is worth fighting for?
IMHO, both can illegal, depending on context. If you're trying to incite imminent lawless conduct, the speech can be punished. In the context of the ongoing racial protests/riots, saying "black people need to be shot in the streets" could very well be taken as inciting imminent unlawful violence. And likewise, doxxing someone could, depending on context, be taken as inciting unlawful harassment of them.

Edit: Oh, my name fell off again.
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>>393271
T_D is pretty big, if their numbers are to be believed.

I can at least respect your consistency of thought, but, i still disagree. If a site wants to be a circle jerk, i think it has the right to, without having to worry about being deplatformed by people who want to raid it.
Its like when Jordan Peterson gives a speech, people dont have the right to go onto that private property, even if its an open invite lecture, and shout him down. He has the right to say what he wants to say unimpeded while he is on his platform.
Likewise, T_D built its own platform, and shouldnt have to worry about people jumping up on it and twerking haha.



>>393272
>IMHO, both can illegal, depending on context.
Thats how i feel about making rules against it on sites.
Context matters. I mean, i literally just said it haha, but i had to, to talk about saying it. Thats why i hate when people say "the n word". Just say it. Your making me think it, so own it and say it.
But, its hard to legislate for context, which is why judges and jurors, and likewise mods and users exist.
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>>393273
700K potential users is small potatoes in comparison to the 10's and 100's of millions of users companies like Twitter, Youtube, and Facebook show.

I feel you though.

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>>393274
>700K potential users is small potatoes in comparison to the 10's and 100's of millions of users companies like Twitter, Youtube, and Facebook show.
Again, if the numbers are to be believed.
YouTube's numbers are probably pretty damn high though.
Twitter, im not so sure that's legit, they arnt really a company i would take on its word tbh haha
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>>393275
Well we can't know for sure, but I'm just taking twitter at their word for the sake of the conversation.

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>>393277
Fair enough, its the only data we have.
But that video i made a thread about the other day pointed out some evidence that a good portion of those numbers are just bots and over estimates.
I mean, who the fuck would use twitter? Site is a joke.

The only people i know that use twitter are ideologs who want to screech, boomer politicians and corporations who are always years behind tends chasing the screetchers, and the news media that chases them.

Everyone else uses whatsapp and tictok and shit. Not that id use ether one haha.
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>>393261
>>But the point is, if you don't go out of your way to engage in retributive cancel culture, then you get cancelled, and they don't - even though they are hypocrites regardless.
>And so are you.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Or feel free to tell me how you think I'm being a hypocrite.
>I've never seen you post political stuff on your YouTube channel, you mostly talk about uber and play political strategy games. The last one i saw you were trying to create a more liberal government to inspire more people to immigrate to beat the game mechanics.
I have 2600+ videos. They've been scattered in between, and the most recent one about China and censorship was deleted. But I will be posting explicitly political videos starting soon (pending a new camera).
>Also, a few posts ago you were saying i have a ton of influence haha, so which is it?
You have influence, but you're less likely to be cancelled.
>Putting words in my mouth, im not saying one is more important than the other, simply making a comparison with the assumption that they are equally important.
No; I don't think they're equally important.
>>doesn't negate my concerns about a different issue
>They are both amendments to the bill of rights, so they are comparable.
comparable, yes.
>You have expressed opinions that you are pro second ammendment and dont think reatrictions should be put in place just because of misuses of the freedom, have you not?
I rarely talk about the second Amendment, so I think you probably have me confused with someone else. I am not a "shall not be infringed" = "zero restrictions" advocate. In large part, I don't care one way or the other.
>>I do agree, but that doesn't mean I dismiss it.
>Theres one right there.
I'm not sure what you mean by this.
>>the direct impact is much smaller, but the cascading impacts are much wider.
>Elaborate.
A murder has a massive impact on the immediate family, close relatives, the immediate community, and close friends. Unless the murder is politicized, it will have little impact outside this group, and life will go on, with no one's perceptions outside of this group being changed as a result. Restricting speech in a coordinated manner impacts the perceptions of everyone who would have otherwise come into contact with that speech, and those impacts will in turn impact the perceptions of anyone who would have come into contact via second order, and so on, and so on. As an example, when Facebook deletes a viral video of a liberal who says they will be voting for Trump (this just happened IRL), they do so because a lack of positive messaging impacts the perceptions of others, and removes the possibility of swaying others who might be on the fence. Removing positive messaging leaves negative messaging, and thereby sways votes. Whether you think this should be the case or not in a perfect world is irrelevant, because this is the case in the real world.
>>wrong, they ban people who offend either a) the platform/mods/staff or b) the vocal users
>Wrong? So they don't ban people who offend the majority?
correct. they ban people who offend the wrong group(s).
>>this is objectively false, unless by "people" you mean the ones doing the thing itself.
>I dont understand what you mean by "the ones doing the thing itself". Rephrase or clarify, please.
i.e. if you offend a moderator, expect to be banned.
>>this whole "let them build up the town square and then pull the rug out from under everyone they disagree with" by virtue of being a "private company" is disingenuous BS.
>Is being disingenuous illegal? I dont think he was under oath.
Suddenly you don't care about principles. Can I believe anything you say to me if you aren't under oath?
>If he wasnt under oath, then its free speech, and shouldn't we salute him for excercizing his rights?
the right to... lie to congress? sure, that's some next level free speech.
>Or is it just the people who shit post "niggers need to die" that deserve our admiration and protection?
You don't have to admire something to protect it.
>Agian, i dont see you fighting to lift rules banning doxxing, which we agree is also free speech, rules banning violent and racist rhetoric get criticism though.
because the "right" to dox people is not as important as the "right" of people to express opinions which are unambiguously legal? Because edge cases are less important than the general rule? because you ignored what I said previously about my take on doxxing?
>It varies by jurisdiction.
>https://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2018/01/is-doxing-illegal.html
good to know.
>>yes.
>See >>393255
see >>393262
>>>393255 The former.

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>>393278
>330 Million Active Monthly Users
Even if I simply accept your skepticism and discount 80% of the active monthly users we are still left with 66 million Active Monthly Users - squarely in the 10's of millions.

That's still massive by every measurement.
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>>393269
>>cancellation is not doxxing
>Its exposing things people have said in public or private and associating their real name with it, if need be. With the caveat of demanding they be fired, which is still free speech.
That's not necessarily true, but I'll give it a pass.
>>But I also wouldn't have a problem with doxxing being made illegal through legislation or whathaveyou
>So saying someones real name you wouldn't mind being illegal,
yes - this is essentially a terroristic threat
>but saying you think black people need to be shot in the streets is worth fighting for?
correct - this is not a terroristic threat, despite being deplorable
>Neither should be imprisonable offensives, (barring the specificity of the ladder)
the first should be actionable. not necessarily imprisonable. the second is not a threat.
>but both should be able to be restricted on private property.
as long as that private property is not the public square (nor has its protections)
>Not a strawman. I said if your under that impression, and i asked you earlier to clarify that position.
>Plus, i used "you" ubiquitously.
alright then.
>>It sounds like the law itself is irrelevant to you in that case.
>Laws are suggestions, and laws that infringe on your rights or are unjust are not to be obeyed.
>If you choose to disobey them, you are told the consequences, but ultimately the choice is yours to decide if its worth it. That is the responsibility of freedom.
1) Laws are proscriptions - not suggestions.
2) The laws you consider to be unjust are going to be context dependent, as I alluded to when I distinguished between "can do" "do" and "want to do", so your statement is not universally applicable.
3) Just because you think something is unjust, doesn't mean everyone/anyone agrees with you, and vice versa. The 'consent of the governed' goes both ways.
4) Your statement, though idealistic, does not reflect reality.
>>Have you ever heard of the 21st amendment? They can very much be taken away.
>You can erase the words on paper, yes, that doesn't mean you've taken away the right.
In effect, it does.
>The rights are natural rights, not man made.
Tell that to the socialists.
>Agian, its not telling you what you can and cant do, its reminding government what they will never be able to stop.
see above
>>Let's say, if the law was "if you say nigger, you will go to jail for 60 days", and you don't have a good and justifiable reason to say "nigger", would you care about the law as a restriction of your rights, or would you just go along with it?
>I would argue against it, yes. I dont think i would kill to stop it, but i would also still say nigger when i felt it was necessary reguardless of it.
Again, I wouldn't expect you to kill over it. Would you stop at arguing? Would you go out of your way to say "nigger" to land yourself in jail as a matter of protest? Would you say "nigger" and challenge the authorities to come after you? Or would it just be a minor thing you'd mention in passing and not make a big deal about?
>>fight fire with fire
>Are you willing to take a bullet in the war you perpetuate?
Yes.

>Goodnight.

Good night.

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>>393279
>I am not a "shall not be infringed" = "zero restrictions" advocate.
What, you don't support my right to mail-order a suppressed short-barreled 20mm-caliber machine gun without a background check?  (Haha, I'm just kidding!) 

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>>393282 only in cases where there's no attached grenade launcher

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>>393281
>>but saying you think black people need to be shot in the streets is worth fighting for?
>correct - this is not a terroristic threat, despite being deplorable
But can't it be incitement of imminent unlawful violence, depending on context? Like, if Alice makes a thread about her plans to carry while attending a counterprotest against BLM, and she asks what she should do at the counterprotest, and Bob makes a post saying "black people need to be shot in the streets", I think Bob's post crosses the line from protected free speech into punishable incitement.

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>>393285 yes, I saw that discussion up above. it can be, but isn't necessarily. the other (doxxing) is always.

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>>393282
>What, you don't support my right to mail-order a suppressed short-barreled 20mm-caliber machine gun without a background check?
i do

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>>393315
Seconded.
As long as it is man-portable, I say you ought to be able to own it.

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>>393315
>>393327
Sometimes I wonder how many murders are prevented by gun control. I expect it's very few. And it might even be responsible for a net increase of murders, due to disarming people who would have stopped mass shooters.

OTOH, if the Hughes Amendment were repealed and the NFA waiting time were reduced to 2 weeks (edit: and anyone who wouldn't pass a background check were entitled to a prompt individualized judicial determination of whether they still pose such an elevated risk as to be denied their civil rights), I don't think the current system would be too much of an infringement (edit: in regards to what weapons may be purchased and the process for purchasing them). I guess a major advantage of the "shall not be infringed" = "zero restrictions" position is that it is a natural Schelling point.
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Chain!Wall.j2i4Y (ID: 92c5b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  393333

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In regards to
>say "nigger"
There is big difference between using the word "nigger" and mentioning the word.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use-mention_distinction :
>The distinction between use and mention can be illustrated for the word "cheese":
>Use: Cheese is derived from milk.
>Mention: "Cheese" is derived from the Old English word "ċēse".
>The first sentence is a statement about the substance called "cheese": it uses the word "cheese" to refer to that substance. The second is a statement about the word "cheese"

Кiтту!KadyLuvzOQ (ID: 2d64a6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  393334

>>393333
>3333
Blue cheese~

(ID: 5cccf1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  393354

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>>393333 I'm sure you've heard about cases where people have been fired from their jobs for using mention of the word "nigger" in describing why it's inappropriate to use.

Chain!Wall.j2i4Y (ID: 92c5b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  393369

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>>393354
Yes, unfortunately a lot of people are retarded and/or ignorant of basic logic.

Anonymous (ID: 340da4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  393395

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>>392410
>God! Even I can't swallow that much bullshit.

Ah yes, it's all whitey's fault that they don't have anything substantial left to face the tests of time.

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>>393395 There's this:
>
pretty useful in Civ IV

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>>393325
Worldwide.
I think we're expecting 60 Million Monthly Active United States Users come 2021, but I didn't see any numbers for right now.

Anonymous (ID: 340da4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  393407

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>>393403

>The Great Mosque of Djenné (French: Grande mosquée de Djenné, Arabic: الجامع الكبير في جينيه‎) is a large banco or adobe building that is considered by many architects to be one of the greatest achievements of the Sudano-Sahelian architectural style. The mosque is located in the city of Djenné, Mali, on the flood plain of the Bani River. The first mosque on the site was built around the 13th century, but the current structure dates from 1907. As well as being the centre of the community of Djenné, it is one of the most famous landmarks in Africa. Along with the "Old Towns of Djenné" it was designated a World Heritage Site by UNESCO in 1988.



>it was designated a World Heritage Site by UNESCO in 1988.


>UNESCO


>1988


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNESCO#Director-General

>The walls of the Great Mosque are made of sun-baked earth bricks (called ferey), and sand and earth based mortar, and are coated with a plaster which gives the building its smooth, sculpted look.


>sand and earth based mortar


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Djenn%C3%A9.jpg/800px-Djenn%C3%A9.jpg

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Also, with all this talk about doxxing, let me say: Fuck The New York Times for what they're doing to Slate Star Codex.

Mk17 (ID: dfe7a6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  393428

>>393279
>tell me how you think I'm being a hypocrite.
You say doxing is deplorable, an act of terrorism, should be illegal, and has a greater impact on society than murder, but you also say it should be used by "your side" to fight fire with fire.

Listen dude, idc what you do, or what you fight for, and im not trying to stop you, but as this conversation continues you're making less sense to me.
I get these issues are important to you, but we clearly see them in different lights.

Right now, my biggest consern is how to be able to come to this site without feeling obligated to spend an hour+ of my time writing 3 post responses to you haha, but also not offend you, or get you all hot about how im refusing to respond or whatever.
Fact of the matter is i just worked 6 10hour shifts in a row, this has been going on for days and i just want to go back to fun posting without this conversation where every 3 words of a sentence is greentexted and responded to, rather than the whole of an idea. Its daunting, and im not feeling engaged by it anymore after so much time spent circling the same topic, and becoming more of a chore than a fun conversation.

So what do you suggest?

I can respond to all your points posted, then we can do closing statements or something, or we can just sum up our points independently, or you can wait till i have the energy to start up again, but i feel like if it doesn't have a definitive end, and i start posting around the site in other threads of different or similar topics, your going to hold the fact that i lost interest in the conversation over my head for a while, and bring it up for weeks whenever i try to talk about anything else and i would like to avoid that.

Please advise.
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>>393405
Ah, you saw that post. I made it this morning, but i didnt want to start a whole other conversation, when the one im in is already starting to get tedious.
Yeah, i could see 60 million. Though, how many are bots, or just phones changing IPs idk, but i wouldn't say its impossible to have around that number of unique users.

So thats like 16-17% of Americans use twitter. What percentage of that do you think are people who use it for politics and news, and gow many just use it to fallow celebrities and stuff. How many are younger than 17 i wonder?
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Anonymous (ID: 952cc6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  393430

>>393427
I unironically encourage violence against NYT.

Mk17 (ID: dfe7a6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  393432

>>393430
The new yankee twerkshop?

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>>393430
>I unironically encourage violence against...
Engaging in offensive violence against non-violent parties won't help and will only make you look bad. At least Boat's idea of fighting doxxing with doxxing makes some sense tactically, whatever one might say about the principles of it.

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>>393435
Im still a fan of Paul Ankas idea.
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Anonymous (ID: 952cc6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  393443

>>393432
new york times

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>>393428
>You say doxing is deplorable, an act of terrorism, should be illegal, and has a greater impact on society than murder, but you also say it should be used by "your side" to fight fire with fire.
I said nothing about doxxing in that regard (specifically a wider impact than murder) - but yes, it can be used to "fight fire with fire" as well. You have doxxing conflated with cancel culture. Both are deplorable, and acts of terrorism. Be that as it may, I think nukes are terrible, too, and should ideally never be used, but I support using nukes against those who have used nukes against you, as part of the MAD deterrent. I think killing is bad, too, but killing someone in self defense doesn't make one a hypocrite even if the person doing the killing thinks that killing is bad - and even if the person killing in self defense actively speaks out against killing in general - assuming that self defense is part of the ruleset that they have adhere to and acknowledge when determining if killing is justified. The important thing determining whether one is a hypocrite is whether they have broken their own rules in the application - and not whether they have taken an action that they dislike. As such, I haven't broken my own rules for when I consider either cancel culture, or doxxing, or nukes, to be appropriate - i.e. that thing which would make me a hypocrite - since the rules are not being unevenly applied. As you haven't shown how my ruleset is unevenly applied, or how the ideas that underpin it are contradictory, I would appreciate if you don't imply as such.

>Listen dude, idc what you do, or what you fight for, and im not trying to stop you, but as this conversation continues you're making less sense to me.

>I get these issues are important to you, but we clearly see them in different lights.
That's understandable.

>So what do you suggest?

You're welcome to ignore it if you like. I'm not offended. I've simply been arguing my points, in the same manner in which you might argue to hone your skills in logic. As I mentioned, this was a relatively new solution that I came up with, and this has been a chance for me to test it out. Even though you do not like it, I don't believe you've found any logical holes in it, which is the thing I care most about when it comes to refining the ideas themselves. That's not to say it's 100% fool-proof, but I would say it has stood up well thus far - certainly better than many others that people adhere to and support.

>Please advise.

It's completely up to you.
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>>393427 What was the blog about?

Chain!Wall.j2i4Y (ID: 92c5b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  393458

>>393453
It was a smorgasbord, with a focus on philosophy, rationality, politics, science, and medicine. Luckily all the posts are still archived in various places. Here a few of his top posts:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200531135530/https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/
https://web.archive.org/web/20200531152213/https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/09/considerations-on-cost-disease/
https://web.archive.org/web/20200531181611/https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

P.S. His collected blogposts are also available as a PDF/epub/mobi:
https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/hkbfj4/all_articles_20132020_in_one_ebook_epub_mobi_pdf/
(9503 pages)
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>>393429
That's fine, I'm not trying to get into a fight about Twitters numbers.

Also I've said this before, but I'm for limiting the actual reach of these regulations on the internet.
We do this all the time when we pass laws that focus on businesses that employ over a certain amount of workers or are publicly traded on markets like the NYSE or NASDAQ. It would fall well within the realms of current government powers to do the same for massive internet companies that essentially own the modern public forums.

And here's the thing: 60 million Twitter alone (by 2021).... that number is essentially mirrors half of all voters in this nation. Are you going to argue that these companies haven't replaced the parks and sidewalks in terms of being a Public Forum? That's all.


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