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Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 5ac837)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  390909

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Ok

Aurum!Tulpa65j4U (ID: 4e1472)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  390910

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H-How would you know if a gun was 3D-printed?

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  390915

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which will infatically solve absolutely nothing

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  390917

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>>390909
It's really not okay. The anti-gunners just keep chiseling away at our rights.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 38c026)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  390919

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Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  390926

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Yeah, this happened a while ago, it was postponed to fix some wording about herial numbers, in that they whoopsy made everyone with a pre 68 firearm a felon haha. It didnt actually ban anything that isnt already illegal under federal law, with the addition that A) you have to 3D print 80% of the component then mill the rest, and B) you have to serialze your home made guns in accordance with 27 C.F.R. § 479.102 which just perscribes the depth of the engraving, and what info is required.

So, kinda sucks, pretty lame, but now spooky ghost guns are banned without actually banning anything so that one less thing people can gripe about.

So, for example, i can 3D print 80% of a receiver, mill out the rest with a dremel, engrave my initials and city and state where i made it, the word "multi", then on a little metal plate engrave "1" and affix it, and bam, full compliance.

Stupid, but not the end of the world. Also, not the worst thing being done in this state atm.
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Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  390930

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Also, Gina looks like the wicked witch from the wizard of OZ which is funny.
She is doing anything she can to change bidens mind of picking a woman "of colour" instead of her for VP short of going blackface, and i think the mad lass might even do that.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  390973

>>390926

I don't think you have to serialize anything you don't intend to sell

Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  390976

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>>390973
Under federal law no, but under this new state law referred to by OP, that is the case.
It defines anything not marked in accordance with 27 C.F.R. § 479.102 as "untraceable" and makes it a criminal offence to possess an "untraceable" firearm.
So, you have to mark your 80% (when finished) with (at minimum) the initials of the maker (thats you) the caliber, the city and state it was made in, and a serial number that isnt repeated by the same maker, and the serial number needs to be in metal, so if the frame is polymer, it needs to be on an embedded metal plate.
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Thauma (ID: ba33fb)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  390993

>>390926
Curious, what does this "milling" the rest mean? Does it mean you have to make at least 20% of the weapon via some other method? If so, what's the reasoning behind it?

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  390994

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>>390993
>implying gun-control laws have any reasoning behind them
Haha, good one, mate!

Carolyn McCarthy

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  390995

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>>390993
all the more reason why federal agenesis like the ATF need to go

Thauma (ID: ba33fb)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  390996

>>390994
>>390995
No no, I genuinely don't understand the law and wanted to know.

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  390997

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Thauma (ID: ba33fb)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  390998

>>390997
How do you mark 80% of a gun? Wouldn't marking any part of the gun automatically be a mark on the whole thing?

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  390999

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>>390998
now you see why these laws are stupid

Thauma (ID: ba33fb)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391000

>>390999
Oooh... well to be fair, I assumed since MK17 started the sentence with "for example", I assumed the sentence would make sense within itself at least.

Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391007

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>>390993
Yes, thats exactly what i means.
Its a quirk of the law that defines when a hunk of metal or plastic actually becomes a "firearm".
You are allowed to build your own firearms without a manufacturing license for personal use, but you cant transfer them to someone else. So, the question then is, how much of the shape can exist before its considered "manufactured" and 80% was decided on. So, you can buy a do it yourself kit that is 80% complete, and as long as you finished 20% of the work, its still considered legal, but selling a kit that is 81% complete would require a manufacturing license and serialization, background checks ect.

>>390998
"Marking" the gun in this case means to engrave certain legal information such as the serial number, name of manufacturer, caliber, and location of manufacturer and according to this new law, that info is required on home builds in my state now, and though it doesn't specify, it can be assumed that 81% completion is the point where that info is required.

>>391000
Its really hard to explain gun laws haha. There are a lot of "but..."s and "if..."s and "except on Tuesday..."s haha.
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Thauma (ID: ba33fb)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391010

>>391007
Man, laws become so stupid when they are revised like a million times.

anyway, now wondering if that 80% limit is by weight or volume.

Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391014

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>>391010
Neither, its by component operation.

So, in the case of the ar15, an 80% receiver kit normally has the magazine well, the more detailed recesses for stuff like the bolt release and the buffer tube tang milled out. You the consumer need to finish the fire control group housing and some less detailed pin holes to be considered "made yourself".
>
Is 80% complete and not considered a firearm untill you mill out the place for the trigger to go, and the pin holes.
They normally come with a jig to help guide you.
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Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391015

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>>391010
>
Is 100% complete, and thus is considered a firearm and needs to conform to US manufacturing and firearms laws to be sold or transferred.

Note the information marked on the magazine well, thats the info that home built firearms now require by this new law in my state.
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Thauma (ID: ba33fb)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391018

>>391014
>>391015
Oh removing things also counts towards percentage? good to know interesting.

Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391019

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>>391018
Im not sure i understand.

Removing 20% of the material required to complete the shape is what you need to do. 80% of the material can be removed for you before its considered to have been "completed" by someone else.
>
Would be a 0% reciver, as none of the housings for operational components have been milled.

Anonymous (ID: 4d39d2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391069

I'm glad I never owned a gun, so I don't have to deal with the attachment to it. I also wish I never had a gf so I didn't have to deal with the lost attachment to that. Attachment sucks.

Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391074

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>>391069
What do you do of your PC crashes?
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Rarity Sauce!SAuCeRorFc (ID: 4494bc)Country code: br, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391075

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>>391074
Reboot it

(I don't know why this sent as a spoiler but fuck it)
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Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391077

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>>391075
Yeah but, what if the harddrive craps out?

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391127

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>>391077
Once that happened to me. Luckily, I had a recent backup image of my hard disk, so I just installed a new disk and copied the backup to the new disk.

Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391137

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>>391127
I've just learned to accept that im going to lose everything every couple of years haha.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391140

>>391137
Why not make a backup? You can buy high-capacity external hard disks for pretty cheap nowadays.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391195

>>390976

Oh that's hella retarded.

>>390993

Milling, like when you take a block of metal and cut it into a shape.

Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391199

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>>391195
It is retarded, but what it did was get all the AWB and mag limit shit dropped because "we did something".
It was red herring legislation, and it really didnt ban anything, and its completely unenforceable, but the moms think they made this "giant leap forward".
So, having to engrave a ser number on a home build isn't the worst trade off for that, as much as i hate trade offs. The alternative was, we fight it tooth and nail because "errvrythang is infringement!!" and the progressive dominated house and Senate push through shit like AWBs and registration and shit then we have to wait for SCOTUS to get off their ass to stop it.
It sucks, but its reality, and its how this little progressive deep blue state has kept its rights this long.

Plus, think of all the funny ser#'s, you haven't thought of all the funny ser#'s!

The worst part is the more random stupid vague laws there are, the more AGs can "interpret" them to mean whatever they want.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391203

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>>391199
>The alternative was, we fight it tooth and nail because "errvrythang is infringement!!" and the progressive dominated house and Senate push through shit like AWBs and registration and shit then we have to wait for SCOTUS to get off their ass to stop it.
>It sucks, but its reality, and its how this little progressive deep blue state has kept its rights this long.

My issue with this is that it's not sustainable. Every time you give something, anything, that's still a piece being given away in exchange for nothing from the other side. It's death by a thousand cuts.
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Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391205

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>>391203
Occasionally we gain rights too. (Animated GIF related.) Sadly, losing them is more common.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391206

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>>391205

I'm firmly in the camp of fighting everything tooth and nail because we are objectively correct according to the law and they are wrong, so we should not concede anything.

Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391208

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>>391203
>>391206
I agree with you in spirit, but the reality is losing everything to stop something trivial is also a lost battle.

We in this state just had a major win in the state supreme court over our "shall issue" statue, and there are other things in the pipeline, so no, its not just death by 1000 cuts, there is progress being made as well. Its a time bide, and its a battle, and battles are not won by running head long into certain death.
>invades russia in winter because of principles
Haha.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391210

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>>391208

Sacrificing anything to appease the infringers is just wrong. I cannot stomach it.

Snowbell (ID: 693a0c)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  391211

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Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391213

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>>391210
Nothing has been lost though.

Sacraficing semi automatic firearms and detachable magazines to save yourself from having to scratch "1" on the receiver you milled is worth it? (Which would have happened anyway, or actually 80% would have just been outright banned)

I dont quite get the logic.

Like its all well and good to have your principles, but thats not how real life works. So you can keep the principles, ill keep my weapons.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391214

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>>391213

My position is fight for your rights until you win. I don't see them as negotiable at all. I reject the notion that you necessarily have to give up any part of your rights, ever, for the sake of keeping the rest.

>So you can keep the principles, ill keep my weapons.


Not for long if they are treated as bargaining chips.
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Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391215

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>>391214
Not having to scratch basic info on the side of your receiver like 99% of all other firearms is a right?
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391216

>>391215

Yes.

Why should anyone have to? What good does it do? It is entirely upon those who want to add more restrictions to justify why it is absolutely vital to do so.
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Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391218

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>>391210
>Sacrificing anything to appease the infringers is just wrong.
I agree, but sometimes all your options are shit and the best you can do is to pick the least wrong option. Shit sucks.

Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391219

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>>391216
Oh.
But everything is an infringement right?

Im glad you're not involved, because i would have kicked your ass if they pushed through legislation banning semi autos just so you could fail at keeping your superficial "right" to not engrave the number 1 on a firearm you dont even own, or plan on owning.

Pretty selfish, imo.

We're on the verge of getting our suppressors back for the first time since the 1920s, and you would fuck it all up for some ideological bullshit and so you can say "at least i have my principles" with a sligshot in your hand haha.

Its a tactical situation, and thats not a tactical mindset to have, its suicidal.

Stay in DE.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391220

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>>391219

Where we don't have to serialize our homemades anyway?

Gladly.

>and you would fuck it all up for some ideological bullshit and so you can say "at least i have my principles" with a sligshot in your hand haha.


You seem to be under the impression anything would be given up, ever.

Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391222

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>>391220
>Where we don't have to serialize our homemades anyway?
For now. Esp with that attitude, they wont even mention that as an option, they will just ban it.

>You seem to be under the impression anything would be given up, ever.

Gonna boog eh? You fire the first shot, or more likely, cower with all your shit never seeing the light of day because you just dont take it out of your home and you lost it all fighting a law that made painting the muzzle of your rifle orange illegal.

We aren't going to agree on this, its me, who actually sat in on and spoke at the hearings, talked to the people on both sides, talked to reps, and actually involved myself in the political process, and you, saying "cold dead hands" on the internet.

You do it your way, i have no objection, just do it in your own state.

Most of this states towns are 2nd ammendment sanctuaries anyway, so any new law really only pertains to the metro.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391224

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>>391222

>Implying I have not played an active part in shutting down local attempts to infringe on our rights


I've been to the protests, I've done my part. Know how many times they've tried and failed to pass an AWB here? Twice. Know how many times they got one? Zero.

You don't know what you're on about. Keep conceding though. I'm sure when they've whittled away everything but double barreled shotguns it will have been worth all those concessions just to keep that.

See? I can jump to wild conclusions too.
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Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391226

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>>391220
>You seem to be under the impression anything would be given up, ever.
A lot already is. We can't even mail-order a machine gun anymore!

And sometimes it's tactically wise to temporarily give up something. E.g., if a robber stops you on the street and demands your wallet, it might be a good idea to toss it toward him so that when he's distracted picking up it, you can draw your pistol.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391228

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>>391226

I can't help that others gave up things before I was alive to have a say, I can only fight to keep what we have now and take back what's ours.

I know sometimes you can compromise, but I don't see our rights as negotiable. Giving anything emboldens the grabbers, and every measure they propose should be rejected and protested with overwhelming force by the people.

Even when you let them have something stupid like serial numbers on home builds or bump stocks or whatever, they don't look at the failure of that to make any difference and realize the error of their ways, they just demand more.

Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391230

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>>391224
Oh man, you went to a protest? Thats basically the highest level of involvement there is.

Heres a funny, you cant carry in a school in your state, but i can in mine, that was also something we gained.
Suppressors are illegal in your state, even with a tax stamp, which same here, but we've have multiple bills coming to the table looking to deregulate them here and its building momentum. Can you say the same?

So, whats funny is our states are pretty much even as far as regulations go, but mine is shall issue and yours is "may issue" and if i worked where you do, id be able to bring my gun haha.

Look to VA to see how little your principled chants outside the state house do. Sometimes you have to play the game, esp when the odds are stacked agaisnt you.

And dont get me wrong, there is a time to fight tooth and nail, but this shit wasnt it.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391231

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>>391230

>Oh man, you went to a protest? Thats basically the highest level of involvement there is.


Regularly writing my reps, being present, yeah, it's as much as I've had to do right now.

All things that happened before I was able to do anything about it are not on me.

>Can you say the same?


We handily shut down everything they try, it's only a matter of time to start pushing back.

>Look to VA to see how little your principled chants outside the state house do.


They worked for us.

>mine is shall issue and yours is "may issue"


Nobody gets denied when they apply for their permit, it's a technicality.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391232

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In old news, an anti-gun politician did a stunt of destroying an AR-15 to show how anti-gun she was, but she accidentally created an illegal SBR for a few minutes and got criminally investigated by the ATF lol.

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/atf-investigating-after-congressional-candidate-cut-apart-ar-15/291-526898428

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391233

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>>391232

I remember this

Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391235

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>>391231
>Regularly writing my reps
Works a lot better to knock on their door.

>All things that happened before I was able to do anything about it are not on me.

Laws cant be changed in your state? Harsh.

> it's only a matter of time to start pushing back.

Catch up

>They worked for us.

For now

>Nobody gets denied when they apply for their permit, it's a technicality.

Your rights are contingent on a technically that only exists out of the pleasure of those in charge, and can be revoked at any time? Hardly a defensible stance given everything else you said.
Mine are concrete, when i apply in my town, i get it, unless im a criminal, and thats backed up with court rulings.

Here is another funny, are you currently sitting in a second amendment sanctuary where all new laws are void regardless as you type all this? I am. Are there even any in your state?

Listen, im not saying protesting and showing up and calling your reps and stuff is useless, its actually really important, but the actual work gets done in conversations you will never even be privy too. Fuck, im involved as hell and im still not aware of the details, just know the people handling them, and know how the game is played.

Fact of the matter is, dont criticize my state, when yours is no better and in some ways worse, and dont call my principals into question because im playing the end game and not willing to go on the war path over every single frivolous law.
There is a reality to this situation, and your "ill give it all up to maintain the right to paint my muzzle orange" attitude helps no one, imo.

Have your word, then im through with this topic.
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!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391236

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>>391235

Giving it to my man Benji here.

This is the path anyone who appeases the grabbers walks.

That's the bottom line.

Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391237

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>>391236
Alright, goodnight slav.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391239

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In good news, I've seen multiple people say that the George Floyd protests flipped them from anti-gun to pro-gun. I guess the cognitive dissonance finally became too much for them. One redditor mentioned this event in particular (police shooting paintballs at citizens just peacefully sitting on their porch): Minneapolis (Riots) Police/National guard patrolling neighborhoods and shooting w/paintballs

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391240

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>>391236
I think that pic butcher the quote a little? I've always seen it as:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"
( https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-06-02-0107 )

Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391257

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>>391239
I've been seeing this a lot lately too.
There was also a pretty sizeable black 2a march in a city; i forget which city.

I hope it lasts, but i think its just a quick peak of interest. Still, even if it simmers down, there are bound to be some people who maintain ye olde red pill.

>>391240
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Anonymous (ID: da723e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391364

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>>390908
Tiny island is irrelevant anyway.

This'll solve nothing, help nothing, do nothing. But I'm sure it'll make the idiots who still live there happy.

Anonymous (ID: da723e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391367

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>>391199
You should fight tooth and nail.
Because of this shit attitude, your rights've slowly been chipped away for ages.
Anti-gunners 're the only ones who've been winning for years as a result. And evidently, they're patient enough to wait for "compromise" and progunners to say this isn't a "hill to die on" to get what they want.

Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391369

Anonymous (ID: da723e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391371

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>>391219
That "tactical" approach has also been responsible for the slow erosion of rights to the shitty situation we're at now.

That mentality is why we're in this mess.
It's not only unproductive, but outright detrimental. And hell, it doesn't end at firearms either.
Look at the piles of other rights routinely violated. Whether it be by corporations or groups like the NSA, privacy basically doesn't exist any more. And that isn't something that was just a "We spy now" switch. That's a long time of slow erosion.

Appeasement is the coward's way out.
>>391222
Why do you presume it requires a boog to maintain your principles?
There's plenty of other ways to fight back against authoritarianism.

Hell, that's one of the main points of the 3D printing gun community. Make it so anyone, anywhere, at any time, can get a reliable semi auto, making legislation ultimately pointless.
I'd say they're certainly doing a lot more than the people saying "Oh, don't worry about this mag restriction, nobody really NEEDS more than 15 rounds anyway"

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391372

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>>391367
Your trust in random people is rather astounding.

Anonymous (ID: da723e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391373

>>391372
I'd say the same to you.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391374

>>391367
>Anti-gunners 're the only ones who've been winning for years
Not completely true; see >>391205

>>391367
>"compromise"
Some actual compromise might not be too bad though, i.e., in order to pass new gun control laws, they need to repeal existing laws that are at least as bad.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391376

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>>391373
How so?

Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391377

>>391371
I said "'ight" already, no more convincing is needed.

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>>391205
Also, hold on a second.

Why the hell does California get shit for it's 'gun rights' when it's literally one of the only states that hasn't changed it's laws for like 15 years according to this thing.
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Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391379

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>>391378
California isn't even the worst, Massachusetts is.

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>>391379
We're still the ones that get shit on constantly about gun rights.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391382

>>391378
That map is only for concealed carry. There are lots of other infringements that California does. E.g., https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_California_Proposition_63

Anonymous (ID: da723e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391383

>>391376
Guns level the playing field.
A lack thereof means you're ultimately reliant on others for your protection.
Unless you expect to be able to fend off a 180 pound crook who's had plenty of experience in fistfights anyway.
>>391377
I don't really care. I just took the opportunity to vent.
>>391374
I presume that gif is around concealed carry, though, right?
My understanding is, everyone could still open carry, and that was preferred. Now the reverse is true

I dunno. I consider it a bit of a minor thing compared to mail-order guns, open importation, and of course machine guns.

>Some actual compromise might not be too bad though, i.e., in order to pass new gun control laws, they need to repeal existing laws that are at least as bad.

That's why it's in quotes. It's not a real compromise.
I'd totally trade, say, Universal Background Checks, for a repeal of the NFA and opening of the machine gun registry. I'd say we'd get more out of it after all.

Anonymous (ID: da723e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391384

>>391378
Because that gif only pertains to right to carry, and as I understand it, right to carry concealed.

Mk17 (ID: 919bf0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391385

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>>391380
Because they started the modern push against guns.

Spacifically, Ronald Ray-gun. Which is why i think its so funny when "gun people" worship him as a god haha.

>>391383
Fair enough.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391386

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>>391382
I see nothing wrong with anything written here.
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>>391383
>Guns level the playing field.
Guns also give a sense of empowerment. Meaning that guns level the playing field when you are up against someone with a gun, the more people with guns you have, the more opponents you face.

Some of us don't want to have to carry a handgun and wear a bullet proof vest to go to the grocery store.

Most people in California have different priorities. Guns are very low on the priority list because they have no practical use to the average person unless you are a gang member or a drug dealer. I know that's not the case in other states, but that's basically what it is in California.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391389

>>391386
You don't see anything wrong with banning standard-capacity magazines???

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391390

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>>391389
Okay, actually that one was dumb. I admit that. The rest is fine though.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391394

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>>391367
>>391371

Based Anon gets it.

>>391388

>Some of us don't want to have to carry a handgun and wear a bullet proof vest to go to the grocery store.


Nobody forces you to do that...

Snowbell (ID: 893e32)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  391397

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>>391388
>Some of us don't want to have to carry a handgun and wear a bullet proof vest to go to the grocery store.

I do! Even though it is way safer here than pretty much anywhere else. Least so long as you stay on the good side of the Amish Mafia...

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391407

>>391388
>Guns also give a sense of empowerment
I'm not sure what you mean here.
They certainly give weak individuals more personal power to protect themselves.
But I feel you're looking at something a little more work the next lot;

>Meaning that guns level the playing field when you are up against someone with a gun, the more people with guns you have, the more opponents you face.

No. That is nonsense.
Not everyone with a gun is your enemy. That is quite a stupid way to live.

>Some of us don't want to have to carry a handgun and wear a bullet proof vest to go to the grocery store.

And you do not have to. You can choose to not have power if you want. Giving from what I understand, you have a specific disdain towards testosterone, I think it's safe to presume you're not physically fit enough to fend off a 180 pound criminal who's certainly had more exposure to violent confrontation than you.

Your paranoia is irrational, as you already have that same risk anyway.

>Most people in California have different priorities. Guns are very low on the priority list because they have no practical use to the average person unless you are a gang member or a drug dealer.

That is because, quite frankly, Californians are stupid.
Though suspect this is mostly City people you are referring to anyway. Same problem.

Stupid people who take things for granted. People who will be happy to say "oh that will never happen here" or "police will keep us safe, so I don't need that", and generally have an aversion to the idea of taking precautions and actually thinking about risks and possibilities.
Instead, they insist it could never happen to them, so therefore anybody who actually is rational and wants to think about preparing for risks is the problem.

it's a large reason why California is such a shithole. Not to mention why they have a nasty habbit of trying to force down that shitholeness onto others

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391410

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>>391394
>Nobody forces you to do that...
This.
If you don't want to, don't.
But don't force the rest of us to follow in your foolishness

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391412

>>391410
You're going to burn yourself on that barrel.

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>>391412
thought i was going crazy for seeing that lol

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391416

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>>391412
What do you mean?

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391417

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>>391416
Those shorties always just seem like a heavier unnecessary version of
>

Id still have one though.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391418

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>>391417
Never really liked those things, myself. Seems like they'd rattle too much. Rather just get something that doesn't have a slide like that.

In this case, though, the FGC9 is made without any gun parts that was the whole point. Something like that, you are probably going to have to buy from a store.

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391419

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>>391416
Or this, which is even cleaner.

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>>391407
>Not everyone with a gun is your enemy. That is quite a stupid way to live.
Everyone is a potential threat. Everyone with a gun is a potential threat with range.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391421

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>>391419
Still has the moving slide problem but it's certainly better looking than the first.

My leaning to something like that, though, is something like a mac.
Not the best ones, granted, but I find them sexier.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391422

>>391420
Potential threat does not equate to enemy

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>>391422
No. It doesn't. However potential threats are maximized when the perimeters of the threat are enhanced.

If someone wants to do me harm and they have a knife, they actually have to get within arm's reach to do any harm. Someone with a gun doesn't have that limitation.

Personally this is why I don't like the idea of concealed carry too much overall. Because if someone is hiding the fact they have a gun, it makes it difficult for me to predict the level of threat they pose to me. If I can visibly see they have a gun I can make sure that I am always within a few feet of cover at any specific situation on the off chance they decide to use it.
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Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391425

>>391424
No, but, being physically weaker, the person with a knife has a higher chance of overpowering you.
besides that, I have to say, he probably has a better chance of catching up to you, again because of the physical differences.

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>>391424
i mean to be fair, you wouldn't know who is/was concealing anything regardless if they're allowed to or not

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>>391425
>the person with a knife has a higher chance of overpowering you.

Again, something I can mitigate by just keeping them at a distance. You're not following along here.

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>>391426
In most cases you're probably right, however I also minimize the amount of time I spend in locations that might contain potential threats. It's much harder to conceal carry a gun in CA, not because of laws, but because of hyperactive soccer moms and yuppies that will freak out if they catch even a glimpse of one. This is an early warning system that I can use to my advantage. In a state where carrying guns is more common, someone may not react to seeing someone with a gun, which is information they won't convey to me by panicking like a frightened duck.
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Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391429

>>391418
Still, at least put a pipe around the barrel as a handguard.

Also, the roni isnt bad to shoot, no worse than any gun with a reciprocating bolt.

>>391421
Whats the point of the screw in the forward assist? Is that just a roughed up mfg upper assembly made to look home made? If not, why have a forward assist at all?

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>>391428
unless they're carrying around some sort of metal detector

even your average karen wouldnt have a clue on what anyone is carrying

not saying you're fully wrong here

just food for thought

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391431

>>391419
Is that an SBR?

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391432

>>391427
Again, they could close that distance quickly.
unless you refuse to never go more than 10 ft from a door you can walk, or your car, it's a meaningless difference

I am certain that the average Street tough will have for better endurance then you do. And this is without mentioning things like drugs for that matter

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391433

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>>391430
They don't have to know what make and model the thing is. As long as it's vaguely firearm shaped they'll react.

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>>391432
>unless you refuse to never go more than 10 ft from a door you can walk, or your car, it's a meaningless difference

I mean for the most part this is accurate.

!GiLgameShI (ID: c22ae0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391436

>>391429
>Whats the point of the screw in the forward assist? Is that just a roughed up mfg upper assembly made to look home made? If not, why have a forward assist at all?
Considering it's paracord for some autistic reason as the grip, it's some LARP thing if I had to wager.
>why have a forward assist at all?
This goes for any AR really.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391437

>>391428
You realize criminals neither care, nor for that matter have need to avoid, the streams of a Karen, right?

Pretty sure Karen is going to scream if she sees somebody shank you too

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>>391433
thats not quite my point here

i mean, nobody is going to know what anyone is concealing

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391439

>>391431
No, its a pistol stabilization brace my friend.

>>391436
>This goes for any AR really.
I will say, i use the forward assist to charge quietly in my blind when coyotes need to be delt with. But, i agree.

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>>391437
I do not care at all if they react to the Karen. What I care about is that the Karen has notified me that there is something going on in their proximity.

It's like seeing a death icon in an FPS game. If one of your teammates dies and you can see the death icon, you know there is a threat somewhere in that area.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391441

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>>391433
Many people carry concealed without printing. And the average city Californian isn't really familiar with what it looks like and doesn't have the situational awareness to look for it anyhow. And if a man is pocket-carrying, it's basically impossible to tell.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391442

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>>391441
If someone doesn't see it, it means it's not in their hand, or in a position they can get to it without making some kind of large movement, which means it's not an immediate threat.

!GiLgameShI (ID: c22ae0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391443

>>391439
I'm not the type to say it serves absolutely no purpose at any point ever but it's realistically one of those things that's just sort of there. The modern equivalent of the bayonet lug: it's there but you're doing some odd things to need it.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391444

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>>391429
You probably could modified relatively easy. It is after all, a 3D printed gun.

>Whats the point of the screw in the forward assist? Is that just a roughed up mfg upper assembly made to look home made? If not, why have a forward assist at all?

I have no idea. I suspected might be a sort of Khyber pass type of deal.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391445

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It's okay to choose not to carry a gun.

It's not okay to tell others they can't have the choice.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391446

>>391434
well, alright. You are a paranoid individual, who I do not think is mentally fit enough to make legislation recommendations

!GiLgameShI (ID: c22ae0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391447

>>391441
Most people also don't have tacticool pants when carrying.

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>>391445
I mean it overtly depends on the situation. If it gets to a point where you aren't legally required to have a gun but you can't safely leave your house without one, that is pretty much the same thing as it being a requirement.

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>>391446
>who I do not think is mentally fit enough to make legislation recommendations
This is why I'm not on any sort of legislative board and I don't vote.

!GiLgameShI (ID: c22ae0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391451

>>391444
Spray on grippy shit is like $10 a can. If you're trying to just make some apocalypse shitstick, why would you use paracord that absorbs water?

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391452

>>391433
>>391441
I carried full sized duty pistols and you would have never known.

>>391442
Then no one who carries concealed is an immediate threat to you.
Thats good i suppose.

>>391443
I think i might be the only one on earth who does that, and i do it literally just to give my forward assist a purpose haha.

>>391444
I've been thinking about getting a printer and trying it out, but i would be more comfortable with a hardware store special, at least for the pressure bearing parts.

It looks pretty neat, whatever it is haha.
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>>391452
>Then no one who carries concealed is an immediate threat to you.

No, but the fact that they are hiding it does bother me and makes me want to trust them less.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391454

>>391442
>it's not an immediate threat.
Eh, I disagree. It's possible to draw from a concealed holster and fire in less than 1 second.
FAST Draw - Shooting from Concealment

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>>391454
I'm aware. But at the same time your average gangster isn't going to have this sort of training.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391457

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>>391448

>If it gets to a point where you aren't legally required to have a gun but you can't safely leave your house without one, that is pretty much the same thing as it being a requirement.


We're in the safest time of our nation's history in regard to violent crime. There's no de facto requirement, and I'd go as far as to say even if there were, the only thing that matters is legality since it is a right. As long as the force of law is not involved, it does not matter if circumstances strongly compel someone to carry.

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391458

>>391453
That drove a lot of 19th and early 20th century law in this country, as the general mindset was that only criminals would conceal their weapon.

Now its the opposite, with a lot of states mandating it be concealed.

Also, its just smarter to conceal and not make a spectical of yourself.

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>>391457
>There's no de facto requirement
Yet.

>>391457
>As long as the force of law is not involved, it does not matter if circumstances strongly compel someone to carry.

Yes. Because only the rights of those that want to carry guns matter.

I'm not trying to say things need to change in one way or the other. I think the way things are now are stable enough. I don't want people pushing to have CA's current laws to become lax and I don't want other states to lose the rights they already have.
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Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391460

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>>391444
>I suspected might be a sort of Khyber pass type of deal.
I am confus. Google tells me: "The Khyber Pass is a mountain pass in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan, on the border with Afghanistan". How that relates to the gun, I have no idea.

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>>391460
he means in that way

a mixture of gun parts

an example of Khyber Pass is like a AKM with a 74 folding stock made in pakistan

they build guns like that all the time

just pakistan made guns made of random parts

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391462

>>391460
They bang together makeshift guns in Pakistan.

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>>391458
The primary thing is that none of this helps me. So either way I'd like CA to stay where it is.

!GiLgameShI (ID: c22ae0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391464

>>391452
Remember to mash it exclusively to clear jams like you're a marine.

>>391460
A shitstick the Afghans/Pakis were using to protect supply lines in the mountains that was leftover from the Americans, dubiously fixed up.

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391465

>>391463
Selfish.

>>391464
I was in Korea!

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391466

>>391448
>If it gets to a point where you aren't legally required to have a gun but you can't safely leave your house without one,
A great benefit of lots of people carrying concealed is deterrence against crime, because the criminals are afraid of getting shot. "An armed society is a polite society." This benefits the non-carriers as well, since the criminal doesn't know if you're carrying or not.

Anonymous (ID: 30facc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391467

>>391449
Fair enough. Opinion discarded, I guess.

>>391451
Spray on stuff is nasty as fuck.

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>>391465
I'm sorry I wasn't born with murderous capabilities.

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>>391466
>A great benefit of lots of people carrying concealed is deterrence against crime, because the criminals are afraid of getting shot.
The downside is that if the shooting does start, there's going to be a hell of a whole lot more of it.

Anonymous (ID: 30facc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391470

>>391459
>Yes. Because only the rights of those that want to carry guns matter.
You not have a right to feel safe.
Hell,you do not even have a right to be safe.

nobody's rights are going to be violated by allowing people to conceal carry. That isn't absurd claim

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>>391470
Yes, I'm aware. That's why the cake picture you posted is entirely accurate in the first panel. Gun owners have ALL the rights (Cake) and everyone else has none.

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391472

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>>391451
So you can make a lean-to out of your grip, duh.

I cant talk, i have the forend of my takedown wrapped in paracord ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ haha.

>>391468
Self defense isnt murder. Also, you dont know what you're capable of until you're in the situation.
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Anonymous (ID: 30facc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391473

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>>391460
Basically they make really horrible handmade guns.

Often as copies or rapids ripoff lookalikes of other guns

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>>391472
>Self defense isnt murder.
Legally no. But causing the death of another human is still a death, regardless of intent.

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>>391471
if people can get select fire firearms sent in the mail with no questions asked like once was done in the past

i will agree with you there 100%

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>>391475
>if people can get select fire firearms sent in the mail with no questions asked like once was done in the past

Death, brought to you by Amazon. Nice.

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391477

>>391474
I suppose we have different words to contextualize it for a reason.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391480

>>391469
>The downside is that if the shooting does start, there's going to be a hell of a whole lot more of it.
I disagree. Compare the West Freeway Church of Christ shooting (multiple concealed-carriers present, and only killed 2 innocents got killed, since the perp was quickly neutralized) with the New Zealand Christchurch mosque massacre, where 50 people were murdered by a single shooter.

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>>391477
Yes, well I don't have the capacity to kill another person. I know that's something unique to me, but it's still a thing I have to deal with.

>>391478

I'm aware. I'm more of a cautious individual that is well aware of how easily people like to abuse things.

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>>391471
Should we deport all black people, because some racist is afraid of them?
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>>391472
Was your exact thought process that you had the paracord already and wrapped as boredom set in while hunting?

Anonymous (ID: 30facc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391484

>>391474
Killing does not equate to murder. Anybody who says otherwise is either a liar or an idiot

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>>391480
I think the moral of this story is just never go to a church.

>>391482
No, and I have no idea how this has anything to do with the post I made.

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>>391481
oh i know how people are

everyday i got out is a risk

hell, people are spreading a potentially deadly disease which sucks
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>>391484
Never said it did. I said killing equates to killing.

This is why I said murderous capabilities and not murderous intent.

Anonymous (ID: 30facc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391488

>>391485
You were acting as though gun owners have all the rights, while people afraid of gun owners have none.

There is no such thing as the right to feel safe. That is a retarded concept.
Fear is ultimately subjective. it is not inherently rational, nor can it be inherently predicted. moreover, people have a right to be unsafe if they choose to be, so not even a right to be safe is tangible.

it is a nonsensical, irrational, and ultimately illogical idea

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>>391486
You're allowed to feel any way you want.

I just don't trust people enough to think allowing anyone who wants a death machine to have one with no questions asked is a good idea.

Anonymous (ID: 30facc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391490

>>391487
Being capable of killing does not mean you are capable of murder.

and let's be honest here, that was intended to connect to the two

I realize you're a dishonest shitter, but no need to act coy

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>>391490
I didn't bother to go to thesaurus.com and look up an alternative to 'murderous' and couldn't think of anything else that conveyed 'the ability to kill' off the top of my head. Sue me.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391492

>>391490
>I realize you're a dishonest shitter
I disagree. Toybox has some rather unique perspectives, but I don't think she is intentionally telling a falsehood.

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>>391488
>You were acting as though gun owners have all the rights, while people afraid of gun owners have none.

Also, incorrect. I'm not afraid of gun owners. I'm afraid of guns in general. People having them just makes them more dangerous than they passively are. A gun owner is no more likely to do something harmful than a non-gun owner. They can just do it at a much further distance away if they decide to.
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>>391492
I find with most my conversations with her, she has a habit of pulling this sort of crap, and her general demeanor is one of smug arrogance and condescending.

So I admit I'm probably a bit biased here.
Still, I rather go she so stupid as to not know what she was implying

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>>391489
you're allowed to believe that

a gun to me is nothing more than a tool and thats that

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>>391494
Here you go again.

Anonymous (ID: 30facc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391497

>>391491
Words have meaning, so I would recommend to you that you use words more carefully.

But, alright, apology accepted.

Anonymous (ID: 30facc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391498

>>391493
The point being, you assume feeling safety is a right.
It's irrational

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>>391495
>a gun to me is nothing more than a tool and thats that

Yes well see unlike a hammer or something a gun exists for one purpose. Outputting a projectile that has the intent purpose of tearing through flesh and causing bodily damage.

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>>391498
I have the right to not carry a gun.

Anonymous (ID: 30facc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391501

>>391500
Yes, you do, and much as anything else, that's your choice, and you reap the consequences alone.

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>>391501
That's a right I don't want taken away.

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>>391499
>Outputting a projectile that has the intent purpose of tearing through flesh and causing bodily damage.
yeah tools have different purposes than others

but tools aren't always limited to one purpose

>>391500
correct

and anyone who would put forward legislation to force people to own a firearm i would be against that bill
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>>391499
Hammers and other blunt instruments kill more people than rifles.

Anonymous (ID: 30facc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391505

>>391499
Car still far more, get nobody bats an eye.
The fear is completely irrational. You say, "well the purpose is this", while ignoring anything that is for more harmful which has a different purpose.

Driving is far more likely to kill you

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>>391503
I don't care about potential purposes. I care about intended purposes. I label things based on what they were originally designed to do. What OTHER things they can do outside of that is irrelevant to their core definition.

I can slide down a hill on a garbage can lid but that doesn't make it a vehicle.

Anonymous (ID: 30facc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391507

>>391502
Allowing people to carry would not change this.

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>>391505
The intended purpose of a car is not to deal damage. If you deal damage with a car you're using it improperly.

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>>391506
you're missing the point

the point is that any tool can be used to cause harm

if you're worried about intention then you might not ever want to step inside a home depot in your life

there are lots of dangerous tools there

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>>391509
>the point is that any tool can be used to cause harm
Irrelevant.

I don't care what it CAN be used for. I care about what it was DESIGNED to be used for.

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>>391459

You have no right to feel "safe" under your own specific criteria, especially if doing so would require infringing on the rights of others.

> I don't want people pushing to have CA's current laws to become lax and I don't want other states to lose the rights they already have.


But California grossly infringes on the rights of the people, it should become laxer.
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>>391511
I'm not asking for the right to feel safe. I'm asking for the right to not be forced to own a firearm.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391513

>>391471

No, the cake belongs to everyone, they are ALL our rights. Whether you choose to exercise them or not is up to you.

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>>391511
>But California grossly infringes on the rights of the people, it should become laxer.

You don't live here. You don't get to decide how I live. Stop infringing on my life with your own weird ideals. I don't want my state telling yours how to do things and I don't want yours telling mine how to do things.

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>>391503
>and anyone who would put forward legislation to force people to own a firearm i would be against that bill
Why is that? Arming the militia is actually one of the enumerated powers of Congress, and the Militia Acts of 1792 required members of the militia to have firearms.

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>>391513
"This cake belongs to everyone provided you are willing to own a firearm."

"Well what if I don't want to own a firearm?"

"No cake for you."

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>>391512

Well, you're not, and never will be legally, and that's all that matters. That you might "feel" forced is of no consequence.

>>391514

I'd love nothing more than to kiss California goodbye and never have to be concerned about it again. But as long as Californians continue to fuck with my rights on a national scale, I have to be concerned about it.

>>391516

No...the cake belongs to everyone.

Full stop.

No qualifiers.

If you don't choose to partake, that's on you.
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>>391515
I'm not your militia.

>>391517
>Well, you're not, and never will be legally, and that's all that matters. That you might "feel" forced is of no consequence.

Again, Yet.

>>391517
>I'd love nothing more than to kiss California goodbye and never have to be concerned about it again. But as long as Californians continue to fuck with my rights on a national scale, I have to be concerned about it.

I think it's much more reasonable to just not fuck with each other. That would be nice. You don't see me going, "Man I wish all those states that push for gun ownership would just disappear." because I don't. If you want to own a gun, live there. If you don't, let me live in a place where I don't have to.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391519

>>391506
>I care about intended purposes.
Why? Viagra was originally intended for treatment of hypertension. How does this intended purpose influence your thinking?

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>>391519
Because intended design creates definition. A hammer is used to install and remove nails. That is it's purpose. That is it's function. If you are hitting someone in the head with it you are violating it's purpose and the hammer is no longer acting as a hammer.

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>>391518

It would be nice to be able to ignore each other but the federal government forces us to interact. If your people contained their bullshit to your borders, it would almost be tolerable. But we're one country whether we like it or not, and law of the land needs to be respected nationally, not picked and chosen on a state by state basis. For lots of things that works fine, for our rights it doesn't.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391522

>>391516
>"Well what if I don't want to own a firearm?"
>
>"No cake for you."
You have the cake, but you're required to eat it.

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>>391521
>It would be nice to be able to ignore each other but the federal government forces us to interact. If your people contained their bullshit to your borders, it would almost be tolerable. But we're one country whether we like it or not, and law of the land needs to be respected nationally, not picked and chosen on a state by state basis. For lots of things that works fine, for our rights it doesn't.

How does us wanting to have certain restrictions that only apply to our state hinder you in any way? You don't live here, it doesn't apply to you.
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Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391524

>>391520
And again, Viagra was designed to treat hypertension. Does using to treat erectile dysfunction "violate its purpose"?

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>>391523

That doesn't, the senators and representatives you all send to Congress which try to enact those restrictions on a national scale are the problem.

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>>391524
>And again, Viagra was designed to treat hypertension. Does using to treat erectile dysfunction "violate its purpose"?

If that's what it's original design was for, then yes.

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>>391510
neither should be relevant here, really

like i said, they're tools that can be used for different purposes

what they're designed for should hardly matter

>>391515
isn't there a difference between a organized milita and non-organized milita here though?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391528

>>391508
Irrelevant.
Actions matter more

If I invent a drug intended to save millions, which is then used to murder billions, is that worse or better than a chemical compound intended for bombing campaigns used for manufacturing and construction?

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>>391525
Okay. So the problem is allowing states to have a say in federal law in general.

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>>391483
More or less, but I wasn't hunting at the time haha.

Its really just something to index on.

>>391481
You don't know what your capabilities are in that regard, until you're in the situation to find out.
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>>391528
Better, because the intended purpose was to save people.

If it's being used for murder it's being used improperly. If you create something specifically to kill people, that's it's purpose.

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>>391530
>You don't know what your capabilities are in that regard, until you're in the situation to find out.
Yes I do.

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>>391529

The problem is when states try to force unconstitutional laws on a national scale.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391534

>>391512
Nobody is forcing you to. That is your choice. You alone reap the consequences

in the same way that drinking only vodka or a straight week being likely to kill you isn't a violation of your rights, neither is it required for you to only gun for your own safety.

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>>391533
I 100% agree. That doesn't mean that our laws on a state scale need to be changed. Just our people in congress need to shut the fuck up.

But I didn't vote for them, so they don't speak for me.

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>>391534
>Nobody is forcing you to.
Again, YET.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391537

>>391527
This is text of the Second Militia Act of 1792:
"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective states, resident therein, who is or shall be of the age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia by the captain or commanding officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this act. And it shall at all times hereafter be the duty of every such captain or commanding officer of a company to enrol every such citizen, as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of eighteen years, or being of the age of eighteen years and under the age of forty-five years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrolment, by a proper non-commissioned officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, ..."

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391538

>>391516
The right to one does not mean you have to have it.

much in the same way as you can have the right to free speech, without using it

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391539

>>391526
So then, don't you see how "violating its purpose" is basically irrelevant to anything important?

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391540

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>>391537
ah, you're referring to the draft here

fair enough

wasn't sure what you meant at first

sorry for the misunderstanding

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391541

>>391531
If that is really how you feel, your a brain dead retard

Like, seriously, how the fuk do you even say something so stupid as this?
Literally saying something used to murder millions of not a problem, just because of intention

That is the most brain dead stuff I've ever heard in my entire life.
Are you seriously. Mentally deranged that you think that? What fucked your life so bad to make you that level of irrationally crazy
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(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391542

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>>391539
It's relevant to it's definition.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391543

>>391542
The definition is useless to the practice.

if I can kill millions with something intended for good, it's probably more of a problem then something intended to kill that I can only hurt 10 people with

I sure as hell would be advocating for regulation on the thing that can kill millions, the thing that can kill 10, regardless of purpose. It doesn't matter
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(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391544

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>>391541
>Literally saying something used to murder millions of not a problem

Not what I'm saying, nor ever said. Maybe you should read. I'm saying that it determines it's definition, nothing more.

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391545

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>>391541
c'mon, dude

why be so hostile with her?

she isn't being hostile with anyone here

not even you

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391546

>>391531
What if a compound was independently invented by two different teams, one of which designed it for genocide and another one designed it for peaceful purpose? What can you say about the compound itself?
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>>391543
>The definition is useless to the practice.
The practice isn't what I was arguing about.

I said it's a machine to cause harm/death. Which it is by definition. Mikie says it's a tool. It's definition does not fall in line with that of a tool. So I disagree. That is literally all we are arguing about. Nothing more.
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Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391548

>>391544
Then what was your point in bringing up at guns are supposedly intended to kill people.

you didn't just bring it up to say, did you? It was a moral judgement, wasn't it? You used it to refute the car argument, didn't you?

Or is this another classic example of Toy being a dishonest coward who can stand by what they say, and will more than happy use every opportunity to Dodge, cheat, like, and avoid

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391549

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>>391548
>Then what was your point in bringing up at guns are supposedly intended to kill people.
Because they are. That is what they are intended to do. That is their purpose.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391550

>>391545
Because she's a smart me smug asshole who cares more about being right than anything else, including other people

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391551

>>391532
Has someone tried to kill you?

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391552

>>391550
>smart me
Smarmy?

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391553

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>>391551
On multiple occasions.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391554

>>391547
>
>>391505

You responded to me with >>391506

Pay attention next time

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391555

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>>391554
I responded with you that a car's purpose is a mode of transportation.

Which it is. I don't know where you're going with this.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391556

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>>391542
Pic related is the definition of "viagra". I fail to see how purpose is relevant.

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391558

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>>391550
well, maybe i am missing something here then

still, i dont feel that type of response to her is gonna anything

but hey, you do you, i guess

i do however appreciate you talking about the importance of rights though

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391559

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>>391556
Purpose is relevant to definition. It's how you define things.

Why is this difficult for you?

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391560

>>391553
Sucks. Did they succeed?

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391561

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>>391560
I think the fact that I'm still here talking to you answers your question.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391562

>>391549
>Because they are. That is what they are intended to do. That is their purpose.
Not all guns. The .22LR rifle certainly wasn't intended for killing people. It's for small game and varmints, as well as plinking and target shooting.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391563

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>>391562
>It's for small game and varmints
Does it kill them?

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391564

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>>391535

>I 100% agree. That doesn't mean that our laws on a state scale need to be changed. Just our people in congress need to shut the fuck up.


Yes, exactly.

Though I still don't think the state-exclusive restrictions are fair to the people either, but if it was just contained to to California's borders it wouldn't be such a cancer.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391565

>>391563
Yes, but varmints and small game aren't people. You said >>391549 :
>>Then what was your point in bringing up at guns are supposedly intended to kill people.
>Because they are.

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391566

>>391561
You could be a ghost.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391568

>>391559
>Purpose is relevant to definition. It's how you define things.
Well, I just defined "viagra" in >>391556 without mentioning purpose at all.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391569

>>391552
Yes, thank you.

>>391555
and like I said, I was citing the practicality of it. I was pointing out the irrationality of it.
Or did you just ignore that.

>>391558
It's more about venting. She's a genuine cunt, and it irritates me significantly. I doubt I'm going to change her mind with this. Frankly, I have tried before so I'm pretty confident she can't be changed.
Some people are just like that. No matter what you do, no matter what you say, they'll be the same as the always are

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391570

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>>391569
>I was citing the practicality of it. I was pointing out the irrationality of it.

For no reason, apparently since that wasn't what we were talking about.

>>391568
Posting a picture of something isn't a definition.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391571

>>391570
Given that's the entire point of this conversation, I think you're full of shit and you know your full of shit.

but, like I said, your more concerned with being right, then anything else.
who cares about honesty integrity, or basic human decency.
Better to act like a smug arrogant prick, so you can feel better about yourself I guess
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Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391572

>>391570
The chemical structure of viagra is an adequate definition. It separates viagra from non-viagra.

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391573

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>>391569
well i disagree that toybox is a cunt

but i will agree, some folks wont change their thoughts on how they feel on certain topics

that being said, these are those times where it is best to agree to disagree, ya know?

i get in arguments with Mk17, but i still love the guy at the end of the day

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391574

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>>391565
>Then what was your point in bringing up at guns are supposedly intended to kill people.

To be fair this is not what I said the intent was. You misconstrued it and I just didn't bother to correct you because I didn't feel it was overly important.

I actually said, and I quote:

>>391499
>Outputting a projectile that has the intent purpose of tearing through flesh and causing bodily damage.

You seemed to interpret that as 'killing people' and I just didn't feel like arguing the point. I suppose next time you're trying to be disingenuous I'll just call you out on it so we can save each other the hassle.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391576

>>391570
>apparently since that wasn't what we were talking about.
I have a feeling that you and Anonymous 8a226b have very different ideas about what you were talking about.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391577

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>>391576
I'm almost positive we are, and even though I keep trying to explain what we are talking about, he keeps trying to drag it back to irrelevant topics for no reason.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391578

>>391573
With her, it's less the topic, more the attitude.
anytime at all she talks about anything I care about, it ends up in this way.

and while Id like to agree to disagree, she has a nasty habit of still sticking her nose and her garbage opinions to things I care about regardless of what is said. Usually with a nasty habbit of generalization and assertion that are not accurate to reality.
And for whatever reason, I care about bad, as I fear it will influence people who don't know better.

Unfortunately, speaking with authority is worth a lot more then logic or truth.
Seems to me people will listen to her

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391579

>>391574
>I suppose next time you're trying to be disingenuous
Where (please cite a specific post) do you think I was being disingenuous?

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391580

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>>391578
Maybe if you stopped trying to misconstrue everything I say every time we talk we wouldn't have this fucking problem.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391581

>>391577
Well, let's frame it like this then.

Why does it matter?

Why did you bring it up with Mikey?

What relevant to have them the conversation

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391582

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>>391581
Because I said that guns were designed to cause damage. He said I was incorrect.

I am not.

That's the entire point of the conversation.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391583

>>391580
>Maybe if you stopped trying to misconstrue
I don't think he's trying. I think it's accidental.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391584

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>>391583
Then explain to me how taking a very literal and exactly worded phrase of "Outputting a projectile that has the intent purpose of tearing through flesh and causing bodily damage." and thinking I meant 'killing people' is accidental?

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391585

That's quite clearly bullshit. Look at the post you were replying to
>>391510

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391586

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391587

>>391582
>Because I said that guns were designed to cause damage. He said I was incorrect.
>I am not.

This is fair.

But, the design can be separate from the intended use by the individual.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391588

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>>391587
>But, the design can be separate from the intended use by the individual.

Absolutely. I won't argue this point. However if you tell me that's not what it's designed for, I will tell you that you are wrong. That's literally all this was about.

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391589

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>>391582
>He said I was incorrect.
no, i didnt say you were incorrect though

i said, that they are tools and that's that

my main point it can be used for others things like many of tools

and id also like to point out that a firearms main purpose isn't any more relevant than a hammer being intended to hammer nails into drywall

they can be misused in a situation

doesn't make any tool any less worthy to have

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391590

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>>391589
>doesn't make any tool any less worthy to have
That wasn't what I was arguing and that's never been a stance of mine.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391591

>>391584
By failing to pay enough attention to the exact words you used. People make mistakes like that all the time.

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391592

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>>391590
so why care if someone wants to conceal a tool?

workers conceal a box cutter for their jobs and those tools are very dangerous if misused

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391593

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>>391591
>By failing to pay enough attention to the exact words you used.

That is not my fault in any capacity and I don't deserve to be called names and be misrepresented just because he doesn't know what words mean.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391594

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>>391592
Because you define it as at tool. I do not. That is what this entire argument has been about.
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Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391595

>>391590
So why did you say the actual use doesn't matter to you?
>>391510
>I don't care what it CAN be used for. I care about what it was DESIGNED to be used for.
>>391594
A tool for killing a still tool.
Your definition is just wrong even if we assume all guns are only made for killing

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>>391594
gonna have to agree to disagree then

moving on

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>>391595
>So why did you say the actual use doesn't matter to you?
In the context of the argument it didn't matter to the point I was trying to make.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391599

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>>391596
Well if that's the case then you can't ask me the question you asked me.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391600

>>391598
Ah, so this is the ambiguity that caused this whole big kerfuffle!

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391601

>>391598
Then cite the post.
Because whenever I scroll up, it's not giving me that impression.

Surely there is a point in the argument you can site specifically for that

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391602

>>391600
Possibly. In which case, I would personally recommend saying "irrelevant" rather than "I don't care"
I don't care seems to suggest a lot and more to me.

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391603

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>>391599
oh for crying out loud!

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391604

>>391603
See?

Smug arrogant cunt

Mk17 (ID: 82f1cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391605

>>391592
>>391594
They are both tools.
A worker with a box cutter on a jobsite and a soldier carrying a gun on a battle field, are both carrying tools, and in this case, they are using those tools for their designed intent.

You can take a box cutter and hyjack a plane, and you can take a firearm to a target competition, and they are still tools, and being used as such, even if it wasn't their original intended design.

The only intention that matters is the intention of the person holding the object.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391606

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>>391600
It wasn't really ambiguous. I said it's design was intended to cause physical harm.

The argument returned to me was "Other things can cause physical harm too." this is irrelevant and non-contradictory to my original statement. The statement was that it's design is to cause physical harm. Pointing out other things can cause physical harm is used outside their intended purpose does not have any relevancy to my statement and bringing it up serves only to detract from the matter at hand. It's not a game I'm willing to play. I am defending my statement and only my statement. Bringing other things into the argument just to muddle the entire point is not something I'm going to allow or play along with.

Guns are designed with the express purpose of launching a projectile which is designed to pierce flesh and / or armor and cause damage to the internals of the target.

This is a factual statement. Saying you can bash someone over the head with a baseball bat does not change this statement in any way.
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(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391607

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>>391604
i was just trying to let it go, i guess

>>391605
>The only intention that matters is the intention of the person holding the objec
is what i been trying to say this whole this time

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391608

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>>391605
FFS I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT INTENT. I AM TALKING ABOUT DESIGN. SCHEMATICS. PURPOSE.

WHY IS THIS HARD FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND?! WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP BRINGING INTENT INTO IT?! WTF!? STOP.

Mk17 (ID: 82f1cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391609

>>391608
I do understand that, i was validating your point, but i wasnt only talking to you.
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(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391610

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Okay.

Is this a true statement:
"Guns are designed with the express purpose of launching a projectile which is designed to pierce flesh and / or armor and cause damage to the internals of the target."

I don't care what people USE them for. I'm asking if this is what they were designed for by the people that came up with them.

Yes

or

No?

I don't want to hear what ELSE they can be used for. I don't want to hear what OTHER things can be used as a weapon. IS THIS A TRUE STATMENT? YES. OR. NO. That is all there is to this. Yes or no.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391611

>>391606
The ambiguity was whether "I don't care about potential purposes. I care about intended purposes." (>>391506) meant "it's not relevant to this specific argument" or it reflected some deeper philosophy of life that you hold.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391612

>>391606
Depends on the gun and around. That is a generalization not readily ignores target shooting, And the various rounds developed for specifically that.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391613

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>>391611
Immediately after that I sad, "I label things as." meaning that I only care about intended purposes when it comes to giving something a label.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391614

>>391610
No. It ignores a wide range of other firearms

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391615

>>391608
It's because you're trying to argue one point but other people think that you're trying to argue a different point.
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(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391616

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>>391612
FFS. Target shooting came AFTER the original design of the gun to get BETTER at using it.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391617

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>>391615
>but other people think that you're trying to argue a different point.
Then how about they just STOP DOING THAT. That would be great. Thank you.

Mk17 (ID: 82f1cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391618

>>391612
Which round was developed specifically for target shooting?

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391619

>>391613
>meaning that I only care about intended purposes when it comes to giving something a label.
That was not clear from what you said in >>391506. It was possible to interpret what you said differently.

>Immediately after that I sad, "I label things as."

But you didn't make clear what relation that sentence had to the preceding sentences.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391620

>>391616
so all knives, regardless of type or shape, are designed to kill people, because when Thog first wrapped a pointy rock with cloth, it was to stab the tiger

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>>391620
>so all knives, regardless of type or shape, are designed to kill people
A knife's purpose is to split a material into different pieces. You're being disingenuous with your definitions just trying to be a smug asshole. Stop it.

The ONLY person who has ever said 'Designed to kill people' in this entire thread is you.
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Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391623

>>391621
As in flesh, sure. It is a device design to cause damage

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391624

>>391621
>You're being disingenuous with your definitions just trying to be a smug asshole. Stop it
I'm using it to point out your hypocrisy.
I'm using it to point out how you were being disingenuous with your definitions just trying to be a smug asshole.
Are you really so incapable of reading that?

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>>391623
The materials CAN be flesh, but are not specifically designed for it. Yes. A knife is designed to cause damage as well, however the range of materials a knife is used on and the purpose of the splitting of materials is much wider in scope than that of a bullet.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391626

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>>391624
You're MAKING SHIT UP to try and make me look bad, is what you're doing.

Mk17 (ID: 82f1cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391627

I'd still like to know which cartridge was designed specifically for target shooting.

I think inmight have an answer, but i want to see if its the same answer.
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Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391628

>>391625
I can say I've never used any of my guns to shoot anything flesh. So that is quite obviously not accurate.

Most time they shoot wood, paper or cardboard. sometimes they shoot clay. Sometimes they shoot plastic bottles.
The majority is going to be not on flesh

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391629

>>391610
>"Guns are designed with the express purpose of launching a projectile which is designed to pierce flesh and / or armor and cause damage to the internals of the target."
Hmm, do you consider a recoilless rifle to be a gun?

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391630

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>>391627
I don't know enough about firearms to know if one exists or doesn't.

>>391628
>I can say I've never used any of my guns to shoot anything flesh.

That's nice. I have a pair of swords I've never used for anything but hanging on a wall. That doesn't suddenly mean they aren't designed to be used as weapons.
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Mk17 (ID: 82f1cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391631

>>391628
Yeah, but i bet all the chamberings you own were cartridges designed for military or hunting applications.

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>>391629
>Hmm, do you consider a recoilless rifle to be a gun?
No. However it is a weapon.
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Mk17 (ID: 82f1cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391633

>>391630
I don't think they have an answer, i think they were just saying it because you dont know enough about firearms to dispute it. But i would like to see what obscure thing they pull out of the bowls of google should they decide to humor me.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391634

>>391630
So a 22 pistol design explicitly for target shooting used for Target shooting with ammo built for Target shooting is somehow built with the express purpose of doing damage to you.

I think you're definitions are more than useless

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391635

>>391631
The original ones perhaps. But not the specific loading I would say for the particular bullet design necessarily.

And again, by that logic, every single blunt instrumentals design for murder, because Cain first killed able with a stone

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391637

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>>391634
>So a 22 pistol design explicitly for target shooting used for Target shooting with ammo built for Target shooting is somehow built with the express purpose of doing damage to you.

Are 22 pistols the only guns that exist? Were they the first guns ever invented? Are they the design all guns eventually were built from?

Mk17 (ID: 82f1cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391638

>>391634
Ruger MK pistols were/are used to dispatch guard dogs by special forces and small game hunt.
Mine is literally the "hunter" series.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391639

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>>391635
>Cain first killed able with a stone
This is not confirmed to be a real thing that happened.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391640

>>391633
I was mostly thinking the junk loading zone such they sell the store for basically shooting with your friends. mostly looking at 22 with that, tough I guess some shotgun shot of lies there too

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391641

>>391637
So you admit it was a generalization

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391642

>>391639
Thog, then

Mk17 (ID: 82f1cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391643

>>391635
>The original ones
Thats what she is talking about.

You didnt change the intent of the engineer who designed the cartridge, just because you load a few grains more or less of powder than OEM.

Mk17 (ID: 82f1cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391644

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391645

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>>391641
I was not talking about any specific type of gun. I was talking about the purpose of a weapon that uses an explosive charge to launch a projectile that can be held in one or two hands. That is what I meant. I don't care about your special snowflake firearm you painted pink with a peace sign on it. It's irrelevant to the overall design of the machine.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391646

>>391643
I guess that's an argument for how deep the rabbit hole goes on this. That's why was getting at with Thog and the knife.

are all knives designed to do damage, because Thog first use it to shank a tiger?

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391647

>>391645
Okay. Like I said it makes a useless definition.
it doesn't actually define the object in a meaningful way.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391648

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>>391646
>are all knives designed to do damage, because Thog first use it to shank a tiger?
The first knives were used to carve wood and such for the most part. Also a sharpened stone is not a knife.

There is also a difference between a knife and a dagger. You're grasping at straws here just to make yourself look 'right' and even the pro-gun guy here is calling you on your bullshit.

Mk17 (ID: 82f1cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391649

>>391646
What the fuck is a thog?

Anyway, as toy said, knifes were designed to cut, what gets cut is ambiguous.

Also, your cain and able analogy is pointless because rocks weren't designed, they just exist.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391650

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>>391649
I also replied to your friend in the other thread, btw.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391651

>>391648
I would need actual evidence where that.

And, yes, I would consider a sharpen to Stone to be a knife.
Metal is not required. Hell, you can make it out of wood if you want.

>>391649
Caveman.

Point being I think it's a worthless definition read doesn't help define anything, and is ultimately useless in determining the actual use.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391652

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>>391651
The entire point of this is to shoot down bullshit arguments of comparing a gun to a knife or a car.

I have a knife because I cut spam for my noodle bowls to feed myself. I own a car because I use it to move myself and materials from one point to another. I don't own a gun because a gun does not serve any purpose I need.

Yes, all can be used to hurt someone, sure. But the primary functions of the first two actually serve utilitarian purposes. The third one does not, because the scope of the things it is actually useful for is limited to 'launching a projectile' which I have no practical use for in my everyday life.

So saying a gun is a 'tool' just like a knife or a car is disingenuous, because the range of things I can use a knife or a car for are quite large and utilitarian and the things I can use a gun for are very specific to 'put a projectile in something'.

In that capacity, they are not on the same level and cannot be compared. I don't care if you find putting a projectile in a tin can to be 'entertainment'. The point is that I can't use it for anything practical outside of either hurting someone/something or entertainment. I can't use a gun to go get groceries. I can't use a gun to cut up my food. I can't use a gun for any form of utilitarian purpose outside of hunting, but since this is 2020 and fucking grocery stores exist, I don't really think I need it for that either.

If you WANT TO OWN A FIREARM THAT IS FINE. Just don't pretend it has more uses than it actually does.

Mk17 (ID: 82f1cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391653

>>391650
Hahaha, thanks. I sent it, but she is probably asleep, as should i be.

>>391651
Like just a generic caveman?

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391655

>>391652
>I don't own a gun because a gun does not serve any purpose I need.
What if you need to incapacitate a violent home invader?

Mk17 (ID: 82f1cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391656

>>391652
>Just don't pretend it has more uses than it actually does.
I mean, it has whatever use i put it to task for.

If i want to use it to cut down a tree, i can (and have).
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Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391657

>>391652
It's funny, now you're on exactly the argument you were bitching at me earlier for presuming. So much for that, huh?
But, like I said, people don't change. So this is hardly a shock

the reason I brought up cars was because you had this insane notion that you are so paranoid and so fearful of other people who might have a gun, you're opposed to anyone including yourself having that right.
If you're paranoia was rational, you would be afraid of driving.
That is far, far more likely to kill you.
That's a simple fact

my entire argument was that you are in irrational, paranoid person, pushing the narrative to justify your irrational paranoia

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391658

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>>391656
>If i want to use it to cut down a tree, i can (and have).
Story time! What type of gun did you use to cut down a tree?

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391659

>>391653
Yes.
Though, Thog is the best caveman, I was he is not a berrypicker

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391660

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>>391655
That's not a need that I have.

>>391656
>If i want to use it to cut down a tree, i can (and have).
That sounds horribly inefficient. I mean I can attempt to cut down a tree with a spoon if I want to. I'm just saying I don't need a gun to cut down a tree. I literally don't need a gun for anything practical in my life.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391661

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>>391657
>you're opposed to anyone including yourself having that right.
Please cite where I have ever said this.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391662

>>391660
>That's not a need that I have.
But it might, God forbid, be need you will have in the future.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391663

>>391655
Or for that matter killing animal for food.
Guns are like seatbelts. you probably won't need it, ideally. But it's nice to have if you do

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391664

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>>391662
So what do you want me to do? Shoot them?

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391665

>>391661
You certainly seem to to be opposed to changing legislation in California.

You even nagged somebody else for not being in California, yet saying what California should do

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391666

>>391664
Yeah, if you have to. But often merely brandishing the gun is enough to scare them off.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391667

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>>391665
>You certainly seem to to be opposed to changing legislation in California.
Yes. I am. If you want to live your life with a gun by your side there are 49 other states to choose from.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391668

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>>391664
Better to defend your rights, then let's somebody else stamp over them

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391669

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>>391666
>Yeah, if you have to.
That's not something I'm capable of, so the point is moot.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391670

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>>391668
I'm defending my right to not own a firearm.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391671

>>391669
If you practice enough, you should be able to. Try a .22LR rifle if a handgun is too hard. (Contrary to some video games, a shotgun does require aiming, and it has significant recoil, so I wouldn't recommend it to you.)

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391672

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>>391671
>If you practice enough, you should be able to. Try a .22LR rifle if a handgun is too hard. (Contrary to some video games, a shotgun does require aiming, and it has significant recoil, so I wouldn't recommend it to you.)
You're not understanding me.

I'm not capable of bringing harm to another person.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391674

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Mk17 (ID: 82f1cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391675

>>391658
Not much of a story but I shot a tree with buckhot until it fell down to see if i could, and i can haha.

>>391659
Sounds like an upstanding fellow.

>>391660
It was inefficient, but it served the purpose. So i wasn't pretending it had a use it didnt have, i used it for use a use it never knew it had.
I awoke its full potential.

Also, my friend responded haha
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Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391676

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Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391679

>>391673
>I'm not capable of bringing harm to another person.
Have you ever been in a severe fight-or-flight situation? Once adrenaline starts surging, you become capable of things you didn't know you could do.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391680

>>391667
and I guess to the people who end up dead in a back alley because they weren't allowed to carry the means to defend themselves, tough for him, right?

Clearly those people in California who want that right don't deserve it.

Mk17 (ID: 82f1cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391681

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391682

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>>391679
>Have you ever been in a severe fight-or-flight situation? Once adrenaline starts surging, you become capable of things you didn't know you could do.

Yes. And every time flight was the only option I was able to use. Trust me, I am well aware of my capabilities.

>>391680
>and I guess to the people who end up dead in a back alley because they weren't allowed to carry the means to defend themselves, tough for him, right?

Guns are not banned in CA. Not by a long shot. If you need a fully automatic machine gun to defend yourself in a dark alley then I don't know what to tell you.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391683

>>391670
Not a single person at any point throughout this thread had proposed that right to be taken away, nor have they proposed scenarios that would result in such.

This is a fabrication of your own mind

Mk17 (ID: 82f1cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391684

>>391682
>Guns are not banned in CA.
Maybe so, but its highly unlikely you would get a permit to carry, even if you have just cause, in most counties.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391685

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>>391683
>nor have they proposed scenarios that would result in such.
I'm pretty sure Mikie proposed people should be able to, quote, "get select fire firearms sent in the mail with no questions asked".

This is falling very close to causing such a scenario.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391686

>>391682
California is not a shall issue State.
this means that there are plenty of areas that will come with any excuse they can possibly think of to say you cannot have and carry a firearm.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391688

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>>391684
>Maybe so, but its highly unlikely you would get a permit to carry, even if you have just cause, in most counties.

Well keep it at home where it belongs. Unless you live in a place like Oakland you don't really have just cause to be walking around with it, to be quite honest.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391690

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>>391688
What if you get attacked by a pit bull?

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391691

>>391685
This would not force you to own a firearm.
This would just mean that I can get the guns I always wanted.

And, no, regardless, if would never create such a situation. Nobody is forcing a gun in your hand. At least outside of the draft.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391692

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>>391690
Have better taste in the places you decide to go.

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391693

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>>391685
yeah i said that

but i never said you dont have a right to NOT own a frirearm

as a matter of fact i said i would be against forcing one to own firearms

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391694

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>>391691
>>391693
If everyone could get an LMG mailed to their front door without any questions asked I would more or less feel forced to sandbag my house and never leave it.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391695

>>391688
The scenario I put forward happened outside somebody's home.
that was the point of it. It was specifically something that would happen in California because of the laws that they have in place.

are you going to say people should never leave there homes?

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391696

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>>391695
Someone ended up dead in a back alley outside of their home?

Mk17 (ID: 82f1cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391697

>>391688
What if you live in oakland then?
Or, what if your a domestic abuse victim who is being stalked, and still need to go grocery shopping alone at 12am because you work till 11?

>>391690
This happened to my friends gf on his deck, and he shot it.

>>391692
Thats really not bad advice.
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Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391698

>>391694
No, you quite literally would not.

Feeling like you have to is not the same as being forced to.

You could drink vodka 24 hours a day for an entire month.
This would probably kill you.
that fact does not mean that you're right to drink vodka 24 hours a day for any month has been violated. You can still do so if you choose, you just reap the rewards. That is your choice to me. You do not have to own a gun anymore than you have to own a fire extinguisher

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391699

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>>391697
>What if you live in oakland then?
If you live in Oakland you were probably given a gun on your 5th birthday.

>>391697
>Or, what if your a domestic abuse victim who is being stalked, and still need to go grocery shopping alone at 12am because you work till 11?
Amazon Fresh is a thing.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391700

>>391696
Sure. Happens all the time. Basic place for a mugging to take place

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391701

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>>391700
So.... you're saying someone has a back alley in their front yard? And this is common?

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391702

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>>391694
...oh god.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391703

>>391701
Outside as in not in your home obviously. Surely you knew that, as your not that stupid, right?
Though I rather doubt California lets you carry unlicenced outside your apartment anyway.
So it is a bit of a moot point

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391704

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>>391702
What? You think EVERYONE on the planet is an upright citizen? If ANYONE can get one with NO QUESTIONS ASKED, the people I'm worried about are those who also spend most of the day shouting at sign posts because they are on crack, or people who are mentally unstable, or people who have absolutely no problems straight up murdering another person because they don't give a fuck.

When you say ANYBODY with NO QUESTIONS ASKED, that includes EVERYBODY. Not just the people who would make responsible gun owners.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391705

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>>391704
The problem is that those people are out on the streets, not that they can mail-order an AR-15 with a giggle switch.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391707

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>>391703
Wait so you meant ANYWHERE outside of their home and not DIRECTLY outside of their home?

In that case don't walk down dark back alleys, stupid.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391709

>>391704
First off, most those people can get guns anyway, they can just get them illegally. Secondly, they are are definitely more good people than they are bad people. Otherwise we live in and in artistic society of mad Max like insanity fighting raiders on a daily basis.

this aside, the probability of dying if you start robbing people is likely to put a damper on it. A polite society is in armed society, so they say.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391711

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>>391705
Okay, but they would be more of a problem if they could though.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391712

>>391707
Yes, victim blaming. Just don't wear that short skirt if you don't want to get raped.

the point was that you can get attacked, and if you don't have a gun, you may find yourself unable to defend yourself.

People ought to have the right to the means to defend themselves. you evidently disagree, but that's on you, and that's your own selfishness speaking, not rationalism
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Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391714

>>391711
Or, they might rather quickly get themselves shot.
Or alternatively, be afraid of getting shot

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>>391704
i just understand lifes full of risks

and im willing to accept that

the thing that baffles me is that back in the say 1920's nobody gave a shit what gun you bought

you could literally go to a hardware store and buy a machine gun

why is it today it is so scary and spooky?

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391717

>>391716
Control.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391719

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>>391712
Again, I'm not saying people can't carry guns. They can. I'm just saying that if you do I am going to automatically flag you as a threat.

>>391716
>the thing that baffles me is that back in the say 1920's nobody gave a shit what gun you bought
>you could literally go to a hardware store and buy a machine gun
Back in the 1920's you could legally beat your wife.

Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Valentine%27s_Day_Massacre 1929.
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(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391720

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>>391719
>Back in the 1920's you could legally beat your wife
nothing to do with this at all

>massacre

which has happened since forever

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391721

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>>391720
I'm just saying the mentality of the 1920's is not something you should be bringing up as an example.

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391723

>>391699
>If you live in Oakland you were probably given a gun on your 5th birthday.
Fair enough, but what if you want to carry it, and not be a criminal?

>Amazon Fresh is a thing.

I know your just jazzing, but seriously, people are in life situations where they need to carry to protect themselves and their loved ones from real threats, i know because I've spent years training them, and i am one myself.

Thats why cali gets hate, because no matter how legit your need is, they wont issue you your permit and force you to choose between being a criminal, and not being able to protect yourself, when all you wanted was to do things the right way.

Also, 1 more reply in that other thread and we can wrap up that convo and i can go to bed haha.
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>>391721
no mentality is a good example if there's ever been living things on earth

and that applies to today

not everyone is violent
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>>391723
>Fair enough, but what if you want to carry it, and not be a criminal?

Get a permit?

>>391724
>not everyone is violent
No, but some people are, and you can't tell if someone is until they start being violent, so your best bet is to assume everyone has a capacity for violence until you get to know them.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391728

>>391719
You are not guaranteed the right to carry a firearm in the state of California.
That should change. That was my point.

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391729

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>>391727
well, i guess this whole quarantine order was for the best then

quarantine from anything dangerous
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(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391730

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>>391728
>You are not guaranteed the right to carry a firearm in the state of California.
>That should change. That was my point.

I guess. But if you don't live here I don't know why you should care.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391732

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>>391729
>quarantine from anything dangerous
Life has risks and survival is about minimizing those risks, not being ignorant of them just because it's inconvenient.

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391734

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>>391732
dang, more laws

problems solved

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391735

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>>391734
I see the average past-time on this site is putting words in my mouth and then yelling at me for it.

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391736

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>>391735
isn't so much in putting words in your mouth

its what you imply

you clearly want regulations if you're scared of people buying guns online to their own personal doorstep

and i have not yelled at you at all, i even defended you earlier
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Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391738

>>391727
>Get a permit?
Not a shall issue State.
Means they can just refuse you, if they decide to. Some areas are more loose than others. Some are harder line.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391742

>>391730
because I care about the rights of others. It's the same reason I care about the plight of those in Hong Kong.

I get that you are a self-centered individual, but, not everybody is like that
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(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391746

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>>391736
>you clearly want regulations if you're scared of people buying guns online to their own personal doorstep

Really? Where have I implied anywhere that I want more regulations than we already have? I'm incredibly curious?

Or is it just everyone who is pro gun being insecure about the fact that since I don't trust every human being on the planet to be responsible with guns I suddenly want EVERYONE to have their guns taken away because that is obviously the only option to this whole situation and it couldn't POSSIBLY just be the fact that I am horribly uncomfortable around them and every time I talk about being cautious it has absolutely nothing to do with legislation and laws and all about me just being highly observant of my surroundings and minimizing any situation in which I could be in danger. It couldn't possibly be that, nope. Because it's well known that if you don't 100% back the 2nd amendment that AUTOMATICALLY means you want to ban everything.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391748

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>>391742
>because I care about the rights of others
You don't care about shit outside of yourself. You've made that abundantly clear.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391749

>>391748
So you claim yet I would disagree, and would point that towards you.

But hey call me a liar

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>>391746
>Because it's well known that if you don't 100% back the 2nd amendment that AUTOMATICALLY means you want to ban everything.
okay, nice strawman but i didnt say that

nor did i even imply that

you spent this entire time saying " i dont like people being able to do buy guns because they might misuse it".

sorry, is this is a misunderstanding? i have no malice with you, here
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>>391749
Look, you can play up the whole 'I just care about people's rights' bullshit all you want but at the end of the day this whole thing is about you wanting to force your gun fetish down everyone's throats.

CA is working fine the way it is, and the people that want to change it only want to change it because it doesn't fall in line with the way they live their lives so they want to force their lifestyle down everyone else's throats.

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391752

>>391727
>Get a permit?
Most counties in CA make it a point not to give them out, no matter what (unless you are connected or rich).

Im just explaining why it gets the hate is all.
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(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391753

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>>391750
>you spent this entire time saying " i dont like people being able to do buy guns because they might misuse it".

No, I'm saying that I don't like the idea of CRAZY PEOPLE being allowed to buy guns NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

Questions should ALWAYS be asked. Not asking questions is ignorant and only leads to you putting yourself in unneeded danger.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391754

>>391751
You can call it whatever you like, that doesn't make it true

If you'd rather force your own cowardice on others, that's your business.
All I can say is I'm glad you don't vote.

California is a disgusting shithole, but there is some decent people who live there. It's a shame the have to put up with people like you

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391755

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>>391752
Here's the thing I don't think any of you guys understand. There is a very specific social ecosystem in CA. People around here are not used to seeing people walking around with guns, or being aware of people walking around with guns. If you change that, you are going to cause widespread panic. The entire state is going to fall apart. People are going to start locking themselves in their homes, the annoying bureaucrats are going to turn their bullshit up to eleven and all hell is going to break loose. I don't think you quite understand that. It's not because 'guns are dangerous' is because the CA ecosystem does not have them as a primary feature in our society. Introducing them is going to completely fuck everything over and shit is going to go south really fast.

I know you don't believe me but that's because you don't live here. You don't get it. You're used to seeing your friends and hunting buddies walking around with pistols strapped to their sides. That's not how things work here, and if it were to suddenly happen out of nowhere there would be wide-spread panic.

I know you THINK you're doing people a favor by 'defending their rights' but what you are basically doing is introducing something that people here aren't used to and it will cause a MAJOR issue.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391757

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>>391754
>It's a shame the have to put up with people like you
Aw, come on, do you have to be so mean? You can disagree without making it so personal.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391758

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>>391757
Because he doesn't know how to have a conversation without being a complete asshole. He does this all the time.

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391759

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>>391753
fair enough

but personally i dont think it needs to come down to that

every weapon or tool is dangerous and do not require personal background checks

im gonna leave it at that

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391760

>>391755
>People around here are not used to seeing people walking around with guns
And that won't change if people carry CONCEALED.

>>391758
>Because he doesn't know how to have a conversation without being a complete asshole.
Well now you're dishing it out too.
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Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391761

>>391755
Sounds like an issue with Californian culture.
I won't disagree that it's exceptionally toxic.

Though I do wonder if you are really speaking for everyone, or just some of the cities.
Than again, the opinion of those outside of the city don't matter to cityfolk much, do they?

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391762

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>>391759
>every weapon or tool is dangerous and do not require personal background checks

Not every tool has the ability to kill you at 30 yards, and I really wish people would stop pretending they do.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391763

>>391757
Because like I said, toy box is a smug, condescending, smarmy asshole.

Also because of the accusation a moment ago.
>>391751

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391764

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>>391762
i mean not a lot guns do either...

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391765

>>391762
Cars kill many more people than guns.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391766

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>>391760
>Well now you're dishing it out too.
Only to him because he does this every time he gets involved in something I'm talking about. He purposely goes out of his way to antagonize me for no apparent reason other than he gets off on it or something and it's really fucking annoying.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391767

>>391762
Should the one that do require a background check?
More than just guns in that group

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391768

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>>391765
You also need a license and registration to drive a car. Should we issue licenses for guns? Is that what you want? You know, since you're so adamant about comparing the two, I think they should have more in common.
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(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391770

>>391768
you dont need a license to drive a car unless on a public street

you can drive a car where you want without a license off public areas

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391771

>>391766
Please.

Besides the simple fact that you can't distinguish between anons worth a damn, you are quite frankly not worth it.
I just get a little pissy when you act like your usual self around subjects I care about.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391772

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>>391770
Yet you want to carry a gun on a public street? Okay, so you need a license to carry a gun on a public street, fair?
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Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391773

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>>391763
>>391766
Well maybe you two can try to make peace with each other? I think a lot of your mutual hate comes from ambiguous miscommunication, if you try hard to not talk past each other, you can set this aside.

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391774

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>>391772
not personally, but it's constitutionally protected right

unlikely driving

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391775

>>391768
You do not need that to own, or purchase of vehicle.
Nor do you need that to drive it.

That is only required on public roads. And, of course, mufflers are legal without any tax stamp, as well as vehicles capable of going to speed limit. I've never heard of limitations on gas tank size either

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391776

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>>391773
>Well maybe you two can try to make peace with each other?
Oh, I've tried. He refuses to.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391778

>>391773
Tried, but my issues are her personality not opinions

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391780

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>>391774
>not personally, but it's constitutionally protected right
>unlikely driving

Yes, it's a shame that cars weren't around when they were dishing out amendments like candy back in the 1700's.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391781

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>>391778
Correction: Your issues are with a made up personality you've applied to me and pretend exists.

You're like that girlfriend who has a dream that their boyfriend cheated on them and then treats them like shit after the fact and demands an apology.
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Anonymous (ID: 4d39d2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391782

>>391766
We're not the same anon.

You just keep communicating in thought-terminating cliches that can be knocked down like cardboard. And the temptation to do so is too strong to resist.

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391783

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>>391780
...so?

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391784

>>391781
So you say. I disagree.
I think you are by your nature a condescending smarmy cunt.
I think I've seen enough to confirm that

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391785

>>391782
Especially when she talks on things I care about, influencing others. Difficult to ignore

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391786

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>>391783
I'm saying the only reason guns have their own amendment was because of how prominent a feature they were in society during the time the amendment was made. If they were doing another round of amendments in the modern day things like cars and possibly even cell-phones might have ended up as being inalienable rights. The second amendment is a product of it's time. I'm not saying it needs to be removed or changed, but that fact should at least be acknowledged.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391787

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>>391784
>I think you are by your nature a condescending smarmy cunt.
Yet you're the ONLY one on this site that thinks that. Strange how that works.

Anonymous (ID: 4d39d2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391788

>>391785
Should we kiss?

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391789

>>391786
Violence is the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived.

No means to violence means you have no rights but what those with that means allow you

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391790

>>391784
Well, maybe Toybox can try to stop acting like a condescending cunt to you, and in return, you can try to stop acting like an asshole to her?

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391791

>>391787
Doubt I am, frankly.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391792

>>391788
I ain't gay. Not unless you got scales, anyway

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391793

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>>391786
maybe so, depends on how important they would see these things

certainly that would strengthen our 4th and 5th amendment rights

but that doesn't change the fact that these rights still exist

and until they are amended they are still rights one way or the other

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391794

>>391790
Sure, I'm game. I forgive easy anyways

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391795

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>>391791
Find another. Feel free to. (Not another random Anon either. I mean someone that actually knows me.)

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391796

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>>391790
More than happy to. I was doing fine until he started getting belligerent in this thread again. If he can just stop doing that, things would be peachy.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391797

>>391787
I mean, look at what you wrote here >>391748. Can you see it's a bit cuntish?

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391798

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>>391797
>Can you see it's a bit cuntish?
Did you see what he said before that?

>>391742
>I get that you are a self-centered individual, but, not everybody is like that

I'm supposed to be NICE to that? If he doesn't want to be insulted maybe he should stop throwing fucking stones.
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Anonymous (ID: 4d39d2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391799

>>391792
Mmmm, I like what I hear.
*flicks tongue*
*flexes lithe underbelly plates*

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391800

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i just want to say for the record

i am in no means trying to be belligerent with anyone

i hope i didnt come off that way

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391801

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>>391800
You're fine. It's the anon we're talking about, not you.

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>>391801
i know we don't always see eye to eye

but i still respect you and consider you a good friend

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391803

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>>391802
I know, and I'm fine with that. You don't make things personal and that's why I don't have a problem with you.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391804

>>391798
Look, I'm just saying that he's not completely delusional in thinking you're acting cuntish to him. Both of you are acting hostilely to each other, so I'm just suggesting that maybe both of you can try starting over and try being a bit more patient with misunderstandings, and hopefully it won't escalate so much in the future.
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(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391806

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>>391804
>Look, I'm just saying that he's not completely delusional in thinking you're acting cuntish to him.

Oh, he's not. I AM acting cuntish. To him. Specifically and only him. Because he's treating me like shit. And I don't put up with it. If he wants to be respected he needs to stop being a fucking dick to me.

Anonymous (ID: 4d39d2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391807

>>391798

Well, you are quick to inappropriately psychologize people. I'm surprised you even take offense to someone arguing from your character in the same way you so liberally do to others, tbh.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391808

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>>391807
>I'm surprised you even take offense to someone arguing from your character in the same way you so liberally do to others, tbh.

Again, I've only done it to him and trust me if I was being serious about it, you would know. Most of the time I'm just flinging back the same shit he's flinging at me and he doesn't like it, which he shouldn't, because it's bullshit.

I was hoping maybe he'd learn that if he stops being a cunt then he won't be treated like one, but that hasn't sunk in yet.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391812

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Also, can you blame me for being upset about this? This entire conversation has basically boiled down to:

>"Your state shouldn't dictate the laws of my state."


Me: "I agree, that's bullshit."

>"However my state should dictate your laws."


Me: "Wait, what? I don't think that's right."

>"What? Oh my god you selfish cunt."


Like... fucking really?
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Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391814

>>391812
Do you think the southern states should be allowed to reenact slavery? I assume not. The 13th amendment forbids them from reenacting slavery.

The Constitution take some powers away from the states. He thinks that California gun control laws are infringements of the second amendment. And therefore California should not be enabled to enact gun control, just like the southern states aren't allowed to reenact slavery.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391815

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>>391814
>He thinks that California gun control laws are infringements of the second amendment.

The courts seem to think otherwise. Not my fault the second amendment is vague as fuck and doesn't say what it actually means.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391820

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Let's look at the wording of the 13th amendment.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

See how it lays out what it wants, and then it talks about reasonable exceptions to the rule that it makes so that society can function? See how it succinctly explains that both slavery and involuntary servitude fall under the same category, and it explains how someone needs to be convicted in order to be held against their will? See how it lays out everything neatly and makes people well aware of exactly how it works? It also clearly states where it applies and who it applies to?

Now let's look at the 2nd Amendment.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

A well regulated militia. Great. Can you kind of elaborate on what a well regulated militia is? Also, is it really necessary to the security of a free state? We've had free states for like 100 years without well regulated militias, unless a 'well regulated militia' is in regard to police forces which opens a WHOLE new can of worms, so I don't think this is actually true.

The right of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed? Okay, so what is classified as 'arms'? Is this personal weapons? ANY weapon? Tanks? Mortars? Land mines? Also, not be infringed. By anything? Age? Mental state? Does this mean if someone is in prison and they ask for a gun you have to give it to them because there is literally no limit on what 'infringed' means? Does charging for weapons count as infringement because you're limiting access to those who can pay for it? Where exactly does this 'shall not be infringed' end? How far does it go? Also who does this apply to? Just the governement. EVERYBODY? Individual states? Nothing is stated about any of this.

If you look at the first amendment by contrast it explicitly states 'Congress shall pass no laws...." etc... so it explains who the restrictions are for, what the restrictions are, and what the reasonable exceptions to those restrictions are.

The second Amendment is a clusterfuck that doesn't explain ANYTHING related to what it's trying to say, and that is why it's CONSTANTLY being questioned because if you take it at pure face value its absolutely insane.

So yeah. Blame the people who wrote the damn thing for not having the foresight to realize how easy it would be to abuse a phrase that literally just says 'shall not be infringed' without ANY exceptions.
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>>391820
>Can you kind of elaborate on what a well regulated militia is
a well trained, disciplined army in a group

>Also, is it really necessary to the security of a free state?

the people, which is everyone who is set to be there if needed to defend a free state

>We've had free states for like 100 years without well regulated militias

lol

>The right of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed?

did you think the founders messed up here? and yeah, arms were considered anything to used in some sort of defense

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>>391821
>did you think the founders messed up here?

Absolutely 100% they fucked up here. You do not in any capacity put the phrase 'shall not be infringed' in a legal document without ANY exceptions. You are ASKING for this to spiral into absolute chaos if you do so.

Ask any lawyer about the wording of this amendment compared to how legal documents should be prepared and they will tell you it's a fucking nightmare. You are basically saying "Please abuse the fuck out of me."
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>>391822
many of the anit-federalists and federalists WERE lawyers

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391824

>>391820
>We've had free states for like 100 years without well regulated militia

>free state

>can't mail-order a machine gun
Pick one :P

But seriously, I think we would have a more free country if all of the militia were well trained. And see the link posted in >>391527 for who constitutes the militia.

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>>391823
They were also hung over.

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>>391825
very much likely so

but doesn't make them any less wrong

they spend a long time trying to make the constitution and the bill of rights good enough

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>>391824
"the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia."

What does this even mean? It's essentially saying, "The militia is the militia." Yeah thanks. That helps a lot.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391829

>>391828
Read the rest of it...

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>>391827
>they spend a long time trying to make the constitution and the bill of rights good enough
Which is why the 2nd Amendment confuses me so much. Every other amendment is written properly and clearly and makes sense, and the 2nd Amendment looks like someone who barely had a cognitive thought just scribbled something on the page in between the lines. It makes no sense how this even happened.

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>>391829
That IS the rest of it. It says the Militia consists of the National Guard/Naval Militia and... the non-National Guard/Naval Militia. Whatever that means.
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>>391828
>It's essentially saying, "The militia is the militia."
It is saying that the unorganized military is the part of the militia that is not the organized militia. It is basically just defining "unorganized".

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>>391830
i dont see how though

lets look at the 4th amendment

>The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


it's written almost entirely the same just with more words and can be be construed just as vague by any judge as it is
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>>391832
>It is saying that the unorganized military is the part of the militia that is not the organized militia. It is basically just defining "unorganized".
Read what you just said. Slowly.

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>>391833
Except for the part where it specifically defines the acceptions to the rule, being:

"but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

In which it clearly defines what the exceptions are and how they are to be applied. A section that the 2nd Amendment clearly lacks.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391836

>>391834
The important thing is that the militia includes all able-bodied males of fighting age.

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>>391835
was going to point that out myself

notice it doesnt have the "but" clause

why is that, toy?

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>>391836
That violates the 13th Amendment.

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>>391837
>was going to point that out myself
>notice it doesnt have the "but" clause
>why is that, toy?

Because the person who wrote it was being fucking retarded.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391841

>>391838
The supreme Court has ruled that the draft, mandatory military service, and mandatory jury service do not violate the 13th amendment

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>>391839
was the same guy who wrote all the rest of them

his name was james madison

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>>391841
So they made an unconstitutional ruling.

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>>391842
Yes, and he was being retarded when he wrote the second one for some unascertainable reason.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391845

>>391843
All gun-control laws are infringements

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>>391845
Hey, apparently they can legally infringe on the 13th amendment, so why not the 2nd?

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>>391844
or maybe he just written it that way as intended like i been saying for the last how long now?

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>>391847
So he intended everyone in the entire country, regardless of age, mental state or incarceration status to be allowed to own a gun?

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>>391849
is that what it says? granted, to give fairness to you this was the federal constitution

it didnt apple to all states at the time

now it is does due to other amendments

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>>391850
>is that what it says?
Yes. That is what it says.

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>>391852
then there's your answer

i didnt write these rights

they did

i just read as what laws say

any good lawyer would tell you thats you understand law

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>>391853
So he wanted crazy people and 2 year olds to have firearms.

That is what he wants.

And you think that's fine.

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>>391854
did he?

or was that even in at any context ever?

you'd have to ask james madison himself

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>>391855
Shall not be infringed. By anything. At all. Period. The moment you become an american citizen you have that right.

Meaning you can own a gun from the moment you are 1 second old. Also, no one can prevent you from having this right. Even if you just went out and murdered 300 people, they cannot take your guns away. Period. Because that's an infringement of your right. No exceptions.

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>>391856
alright, so why was it written in a way thats more reasonable then?

thats all i wanna know, really

every other right they did perfectly fine but the 2nd amendment was a mistake

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>>391857
The fact that they just ended it with 'shall not be infringed' and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE was a mistake, yes.

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>>391858
gotta be a reason for it, right?

why?

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>>391852
It refers to "The right to keep and bear arms". This right pre-exists the Constitution. But it is not an unlimited right. To answer your question of what the second amendment protects, you need to ask about the details of the right that the founders were referring to.

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>>391859
Because the guy was fucking stupid? I don't know. Why the fuck anyone would do something so pants on head retarded is beyond me.

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>>391860
>But it is not an unlimited right.
What limits it? Where are the limits? Show me.

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>>391861
then i guess the everyone who decided to make it apart constitution were retarded

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>>391863
>then i guess the everyone who decided to make it apart constitution were retarded

I mean that's how shit like MonkeyPuppyBaby made it into a superbowl commercial, so yeah, probably.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391865

>>391862
It is past my bedtime now, so I go to sleep now. But I suggest you read the majority opinion in *Heller*. It sheds light on the issue.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html

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>>391864
eh, they likely were just drunk if anything

but i know they had idea what to do

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391867

"""
We look to this because it has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment , like the First and Fourth Amendment s, codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it “shall not be infringed.” As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876) , “[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed … .”
"""

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391868

""'
There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right to keep and bear arms. Of course the right was not unlimited, just as the First Amendment ’s right of free speech was not, see, e.g., United States v. Williams, 553 U. S. ___ (2008). Thus, we do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to speak for any purpose. Before turning to limitations upon the individual right, however, we must determine whether the prefatory clause of the Second Amendment comports with our interpretation of the operative clause.
"""

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391869

>>391806
Part of the problem there is that you assume any Anon you are talking to are the same.
I certainly didn't start hostile to you.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391870

>>391815
It's actually really clear. The problem is that people are dishonest, courts are entirely political, and law is in the hands of people more than happy to keep taking until they get smacked.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391872

>>391820
A well regulated militia is the reason not the law.

If I said "because a free press is necessary for a free nation, the right to speak freely shall not be infringed", would that right only apply to the press?

Of course not. The language in this regard is clear. Anybody with basic English skills can see this.
If you cannot, I would suggest your education was subpar

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>>391867
>>391868
So from my reading of it, and from what you posted this flies in complete contrary to every single person that shouts SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED because in fact it can be infringed if the court decides that the infringement is reasonable and logical.

>>391869
>Part of the problem there is that you assume any Anon you are talking to are the same.
I don't assume that. It's just very hard to keep track of sometimes. That's not my fault, it's just the nature of being Anonymous and it's part of what you have to deal with if you choose to post Anonymously.

>I certainly didn't start hostile to you.

I beg to differ.

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>>391872
I never had issue with the first part even though it's worded very weirdly. I don't know what 'militia' is supposed to mean but overall it's unimportant.

My entire problem with the second amendment is the last 4 words.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391875

>>391849
The right of the people to keep an bear arms shall not be infringed.

So, yes, given that the people is everyone within the nation, they quite clearly meant everyone.
The militia is just a the reasoning.
Arguing over the militia is frankly ignoring the text. the militia does not matter, it was merely the justification

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391876

>>391856
personally, I am not against this. You are going to be under the preview of your parents at that point anyway.
Give children their very own crew served weapons, I say.
Teach him about teamwork wild doing something cool

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>>391875
I'm not talking about the militia. I was never talking about the militia. I was talking solely about the fact that it says 'shall not be infringed' with absolutely nothing else after that.

I only brought up my confusion at the meaning of Militia in order to completely cover the text but overall the definition of it is unimportant compared to the last 4 words.

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>>391876
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Charles_Vacca

I hate to break this to you, but kids are stupid.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391879

>>391873
If I go into an Asian bar, where for whatever reason there's a theme night going on where everybody wears a pink shirt, and I confuse my mate Lee with somebody else, I don't say to him "oh, that's not my fault, that's just the nature of everyone looking a like.".
I apologize.
Like a generally decent human being

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391880

>>391874
It's short I would say primarily to avoid the legal bullshiting.
Look at what they already do with the militia.
They ignore how the text is structured.

I would personally make the case at the shortness is the main reason we can still get firearms at all.
Only thing I dislike is the definition of arms. I would have preferred to flat weaponry.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391881

>>391878
Some are. Some aren't. Most the stupid ones have stupid parents.

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>>391879
1. I can't see you. You have no defining features.

2. You literally ALL HAVE THE SAME NAME.

3. The number codes can change without warning due to the way the internet works so they are completely unreliable for identification.

This is not comparable to your strawman argument that 'Saying all Anonymous posters look the same is the same as racism' because every single anonymous post is made by someone who's name is Anonymous, spelled the same way, in the same font, with the same exact color.

This is in no way comparable to a person who can have different hair, eye or skin color or other defining features just wearing the same color shirt. You are all LITERALLY posting with the EXACT SAME IDENTIFIER. It's like sitting in a dark room with people using text to speech systems trying to talk and everyone's name is Steve.
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>>391882
I wasn't even saying it was racism. If you confuse Lee for another Asian guy, that's not really racism. They do look very similar. Especially if they are all wearing the same shirt. Hell, they might even have the same name

the point was, regardless of if it's reasonable, the polite, decent, generally considered thing to do, is to apologize.
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Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391885

>>391873
>it can be infringed if the court decides that the infringement is reasonable and logical.
No. If it violates the right, as it was understood by the people at the time of the ratification, then it is an infringement even if it is reasonable and logical. But the right does not cover convicted murderers bearing arms while incarcerated in prison, so it is not an infringement to deny arms to such prisoners.

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>>391883
....but you're purposely doing something that is designed to be confusing and then you want me to apologize for being confused?

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>>391885
>But the right does not cover convicted murderers bearing arms while incarcerated in prison
I mean it doesn't actually say that anywhere, we just kind of accept it as true.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391888

>>391886
I do not personally have much difficulty telling apart anonymous posters.
As such I do not consider it, as you frame it, something designed to be confusing.

This said, if there were another poster who went by the name of toy, posting similar images even, and I confused you for him or her, I would still apologize.
Again, it is the polite, decent, courteous, and generally considerate thing to do

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391890

>>391887
Imprisoning people violates the 13th, then

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>>391890
Actually it doesn't, because the 13th amendment clearly states: "except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted."

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391892

>>391891
What about pre-trial detention?

Edit: well I guess as long as they are not forced to labor, then it is okay.
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>>391891
Fair point.
Perhaps the law needs to be modified.
I do find it a tad silly, still

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>>391892
That does not fall under the category of slavery or involuntary servitude, because despite the fact that you are being incarcerated, you are not being forced to do anything, so it is not servitude. Similarly, you are not considered property of the state during this time, so it's not considered slavery either. Once you're convicted they can put you to work though.

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>>391888
>I do not personally have much difficulty telling apart anonymous posters.

This is probably because you've spent a LOT of time on chans where this sort of thing is how it operates. I haven't. I don't come from places like 4chan or 8chan. The only experience I have with sites like these are ones like this where people use names, so it's not something I know how to do very well.

If I were on a chan that as primarily anonymous focused, I could understand people wanting me to adapt to fit the way the site is supposed to function and I'd not complain about it. But since the majority of this site uses a name, those that choose to reamain anonymous are the outliers and while we don't force you to use a name here, the predominant focus is having one, so you can't expect everyone else to adopt the way you do things on other chans simply because it's easier for you.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of people on this site use names. If you choose to post anonymously you're going to get confused for other people, it's just part of what comes with being anonymous. If that bothers you, just use a name, because obviously you want people to be able to identify you anyway since you get upset when people cannot. So I don't see why you don't just do it and make it easier on everybody. It's your choice and I'm not going to force you, I'm just saying if you post anon, and someone confuses you for another anon, that is not their problem and it comes with the territory. If you don't like it, you know how to fix it. If you don't want to, you'll just have to learn to live with it.

Also, that whole idea that people only focus on who is saying something and not on what is being said is complete bullshit. No one does that here. I'm good friends with Mikie and Mk17 and as you can see, I don't blindly agree with everything they say, and we do argue and our arguments even get heated at times, but we respect each other enough to not take it personally. So if you're scared that having a name is going to make people judge you before you even get a chance to speak, don't. It's an irrational fear that is spread amongst anonymous communities just to make them scared of using a name.

There is no popularity contest here, and no one gets special treatment.
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Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391898

>>391897
Probably. However, this is your issue. Much in the same way me not being able to tell Asians apart very easily is on me.
that was the point. They can probably tell each other apart 2, thanks to spending a lot of time in that type of area, we're similar faces,.

I do not using name because I think it is good to see people's true natures.
How they treat a stranger matters more to me than a they treat somebody they know.

Again, I am not saying your issue is not understandable.
It's not something I'm going to hold a massive grudge over, or refuse to forgive you for.
it's something you should apologize for, as a general concept of decency, politeness, and courtesy. In the same way as you with apologize to other Lee.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391899

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>>391898
I'll apologize as long as you understand that this situation is somewhere along the lines of a friend of yours wearing a mask and sneaking up on you and you punch them in the face out of self defense because you don't have any idea who they are, and then once they reveal themselves you feel bad about it.

Yeah, you didn't mean to hurt your friend, and you feel bad about it, but at the same time they kinda caused it to happen by their actions.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391900

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>>391898
>I do not using name because I think it is good to see people's true natures.
>How they treat a stranger matters more to me than a they treat somebody they know.

Also, when you first meet someone you are strangers. The way they treat you then should be sufficient. It's kinda not cool to constantly keep testing someone over and over again by pretending to be a new person every time when they've already been through it once before.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391902

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>>391898
Though, you do remind me of someone now that I think about it.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391926

>Over 500 posts
This is a big thread...

vynn (ID: e93081)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391927

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>>391926
For you

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391932

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>>391926
>
This is a big bread

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392061

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Every able bodied adult is the militia. Yes, every citizen* has the right to own a gun. No, it shall not be infringed.

*of legal age and barring disqualifying (debilitating mental illness, felons, etc) factors


The wording was not fucked up, there was no mistake in writing it at all. The wording of the bill of rights presupposes a modicum of familiarity with common law and the language of the day. The only way it can be confusing to someone is if they do not have any sort of familiarity with common law as practiced in the United States. Since you'd have to be literate to even read the thing, at the time that meant you were probably educated enough to understand what and why it was saying what it did.

Now that nearly everyone is "literate", they can read the text but severely lack background knowledge to understand it, hence why you get people fixating on the "well-regulated" and "militia" bits and mistakenly applying their modern conception of these terms to the amendment which throws off their whole understanding of what it says.

A modern translation of the 2nd Amendment would read something like:

Because the people need to be well armed to defend themselves and their country, the right of the people to keep and use suitable weaponry shall not be infringed.

(ID: 57a265)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392430

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>>392061
yeah, i am not gonna leave this post unnoticed

it's far too based to be left that way

Mythix (element of psychological warfare)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 7ca2ff)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392500

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Mk17 (ID: 05bceb)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392504

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Mythix (element of psychological warfare)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 7ca2ff)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392641

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>>392504
I want buy a bread pillow now.

Mk17 (ID: 373d3c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392826

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>>392641
They do look super comfy. But, im wondering if its because i think a real loaf of bread that big would be super comfy. Like, the crust forming to my head haha.


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