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(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391856

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>>391855
Shall not be infringed. By anything. At all. Period. The moment you become an american citizen you have that right.

Meaning you can own a gun from the moment you are 1 second old. Also, no one can prevent you from having this right. Even if you just went out and murdered 300 people, they cannot take your guns away. Period. Because that's an infringement of your right. No exceptions.

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391857

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>>391856
alright, so why was it written in a way thats more reasonable then?

thats all i wanna know, really

every other right they did perfectly fine but the 2nd amendment was a mistake

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391858

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>>391857
The fact that they just ended it with 'shall not be infringed' and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE was a mistake, yes.

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391859

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>>391858
gotta be a reason for it, right?

why?

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391860

>>391852
It refers to "The right to keep and bear arms". This right pre-exists the Constitution. But it is not an unlimited right. To answer your question of what the second amendment protects, you need to ask about the details of the right that the founders were referring to.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391861

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>>391859
Because the guy was fucking stupid? I don't know. Why the fuck anyone would do something so pants on head retarded is beyond me.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391862

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>>391860
>But it is not an unlimited right.
What limits it? Where are the limits? Show me.

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391863

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>>391861
then i guess the everyone who decided to make it apart constitution were retarded

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391864

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>>391863
>then i guess the everyone who decided to make it apart constitution were retarded

I mean that's how shit like MonkeyPuppyBaby made it into a superbowl commercial, so yeah, probably.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391865

>>391862
It is past my bedtime now, so I go to sleep now. But I suggest you read the majority opinion in *Heller*. It sheds light on the issue.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html

(ID: 92cd5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391866

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>>391864
eh, they likely were just drunk if anything

but i know they had idea what to do

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391867

"""
We look to this because it has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment , like the First and Fourth Amendment s, codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it β€œshall not be infringed.” As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876) , β€œ[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed … .”
"""

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391868

""'
There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right to keep and bear arms. Of course the right was not unlimited, just as the First Amendment ’s right of free speech was not, see, e.g., United States v. Williams, 553 U. S. ___ (2008). Thus, we do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to speak for any purpose. Before turning to limitations upon the individual right, however, we must determine whether the prefatory clause of the Second Amendment comports with our interpretation of the operative clause.
"""

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391869

>>391806
Part of the problem there is that you assume any Anon you are talking to are the same.
I certainly didn't start hostile to you.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391870

>>391815
It's actually really clear. The problem is that people are dishonest, courts are entirely political, and law is in the hands of people more than happy to keep taking until they get smacked.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391872

>>391820
A well regulated militia is the reason not the law.

If I said "because a free press is necessary for a free nation, the right to speak freely shall not be infringed", would that right only apply to the press?

Of course not. The language in this regard is clear. Anybody with basic English skills can see this.
If you cannot, I would suggest your education was subpar

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391873

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>>391867
>>391868
So from my reading of it, and from what you posted this flies in complete contrary to every single person that shouts SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED because in fact it can be infringed if the court decides that the infringement is reasonable and logical.

>>391869
>Part of the problem there is that you assume any Anon you are talking to are the same.
I don't assume that. It's just very hard to keep track of sometimes. That's not my fault, it's just the nature of being Anonymous and it's part of what you have to deal with if you choose to post Anonymously.

>I certainly didn't start hostile to you.

I beg to differ.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391874

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>>391872
I never had issue with the first part even though it's worded very weirdly. I don't know what 'militia' is supposed to mean but overall it's unimportant.

My entire problem with the second amendment is the last 4 words.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391875

>>391849
The right of the people to keep an bear arms shall not be infringed.

So, yes, given that the people is everyone within the nation, they quite clearly meant everyone.
The militia is just a the reasoning.
Arguing over the militia is frankly ignoring the text. the militia does not matter, it was merely the justification

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391876

>>391856
personally, I am not against this. You are going to be under the preview of your parents at that point anyway.
Give children their very own crew served weapons, I say.
Teach him about teamwork wild doing something cool

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391877

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>>391875
I'm not talking about the militia. I was never talking about the militia. I was talking solely about the fact that it says 'shall not be infringed' with absolutely nothing else after that.

I only brought up my confusion at the meaning of Militia in order to completely cover the text but overall the definition of it is unimportant compared to the last 4 words.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391878

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>>391876
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Charles_Vacca

I hate to break this to you, but kids are stupid.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391879

>>391873
If I go into an Asian bar, where for whatever reason there's a theme night going on where everybody wears a pink shirt, and I confuse my mate Lee with somebody else, I don't say to him "oh, that's not my fault, that's just the nature of everyone looking a like.".
I apologize.
Like a generally decent human being

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391880

>>391874
It's short I would say primarily to avoid the legal bullshiting.
Look at what they already do with the militia.
They ignore how the text is structured.

I would personally make the case at the shortness is the main reason we can still get firearms at all.
Only thing I dislike is the definition of arms. I would have preferred to flat weaponry.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391881

>>391878
Some are. Some aren't. Most the stupid ones have stupid parents.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391882

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>>391879
1. I can't see you. You have no defining features.

2. You literally ALL HAVE THE SAME NAME.

3. The number codes can change without warning due to the way the internet works so they are completely unreliable for identification.

This is not comparable to your strawman argument that 'Saying all Anonymous posters look the same is the same as racism' because every single anonymous post is made by someone who's name is Anonymous, spelled the same way, in the same font, with the same exact color.

This is in no way comparable to a person who can have different hair, eye or skin color or other defining features just wearing the same color shirt. You are all LITERALLY posting with the EXACT SAME IDENTIFIER. It's like sitting in a dark room with people using text to speech systems trying to talk and everyone's name is Steve.
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Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391883

>>391882
I wasn't even saying it was racism. If you confuse Lee for another Asian guy, that's not really racism. They do look very similar. Especially if they are all wearing the same shirt. Hell, they might even have the same name

the point was, regardless of if it's reasonable, the polite, decent, generally considered thing to do, is to apologize.
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Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391885

>>391873
>it can be infringed if the court decides that the infringement is reasonable and logical.
No. If it violates the right, as it was understood by the people at the time of the ratification, then it is an infringement even if it is reasonable and logical. But the right does not cover convicted murderers bearing arms while incarcerated in prison, so it is not an infringement to deny arms to such prisoners.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391886

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>>391883
....but you're purposely doing something that is designed to be confusing and then you want me to apologize for being confused?

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391887

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>>391885
>But the right does not cover convicted murderers bearing arms while incarcerated in prison
I mean it doesn't actually say that anywhere, we just kind of accept it as true.

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391888

>>391886
I do not personally have much difficulty telling apart anonymous posters.
As such I do not consider it, as you frame it, something designed to be confusing.

This said, if there were another poster who went by the name of toy, posting similar images even, and I confused you for him or her, I would still apologize.
Again, it is the polite, decent, courteous, and generally considerate thing to do

Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391890

>>391887
Imprisoning people violates the 13th, then

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391891

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>>391890
Actually it doesn't, because the 13th amendment clearly states: "except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted."

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391892

>>391891
What about pre-trial detention?

Edit: well I guess as long as they are not forced to labor, then it is okay.
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Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391894

>>391891
Fair point.
Perhaps the law needs to be modified.
I do find it a tad silly, still

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391895

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>>391892
That does not fall under the category of slavery or involuntary servitude, because despite the fact that you are being incarcerated, you are not being forced to do anything, so it is not servitude. Similarly, you are not considered property of the state during this time, so it's not considered slavery either. Once you're convicted they can put you to work though.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391897

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>>391888
>I do not personally have much difficulty telling apart anonymous posters.

This is probably because you've spent a LOT of time on chans where this sort of thing is how it operates. I haven't. I don't come from places like 4chan or 8chan. The only experience I have with sites like these are ones like this where people use names, so it's not something I know how to do very well.

If I were on a chan that as primarily anonymous focused, I could understand people wanting me to adapt to fit the way the site is supposed to function and I'd not complain about it. But since the majority of this site uses a name, those that choose to reamain anonymous are the outliers and while we don't force you to use a name here, the predominant focus is having one, so you can't expect everyone else to adopt the way you do things on other chans simply because it's easier for you.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of people on this site use names. If you choose to post anonymously you're going to get confused for other people, it's just part of what comes with being anonymous. If that bothers you, just use a name, because obviously you want people to be able to identify you anyway since you get upset when people cannot. So I don't see why you don't just do it and make it easier on everybody. It's your choice and I'm not going to force you, I'm just saying if you post anon, and someone confuses you for another anon, that is not their problem and it comes with the territory. If you don't like it, you know how to fix it. If you don't want to, you'll just have to learn to live with it.

Also, that whole idea that people only focus on who is saying something and not on what is being said is complete bullshit. No one does that here. I'm good friends with Mikie and Mk17 and as you can see, I don't blindly agree with everything they say, and we do argue and our arguments even get heated at times, but we respect each other enough to not take it personally. So if you're scared that having a name is going to make people judge you before you even get a chance to speak, don't. It's an irrational fear that is spread amongst anonymous communities just to make them scared of using a name.

There is no popularity contest here, and no one gets special treatment.
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Anonymous (ID: 8a226b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391898

>>391897
Probably. However, this is your issue. Much in the same way me not being able to tell Asians apart very easily is on me.
that was the point. They can probably tell each other apart 2, thanks to spending a lot of time in that type of area, we're similar faces,.

I do not using name because I think it is good to see people's true natures.
How they treat a stranger matters more to me than a they treat somebody they know.

Again, I am not saying your issue is not understandable.
It's not something I'm going to hold a massive grudge over, or refuse to forgive you for.
it's something you should apologize for, as a general concept of decency, politeness, and courtesy. In the same way as you with apologize to other Lee.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391899

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>>391898
I'll apologize as long as you understand that this situation is somewhere along the lines of a friend of yours wearing a mask and sneaking up on you and you punch them in the face out of self defense because you don't have any idea who they are, and then once they reveal themselves you feel bad about it.

Yeah, you didn't mean to hurt your friend, and you feel bad about it, but at the same time they kinda caused it to happen by their actions.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391900

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>>391898
>I do not using name because I think it is good to see people's true natures.
>How they treat a stranger matters more to me than a they treat somebody they know.

Also, when you first meet someone you are strangers. The way they treat you then should be sufficient. It's kinda not cool to constantly keep testing someone over and over again by pretending to be a new person every time when they've already been through it once before.

(ID: 515556)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391902

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>>391898
Though, you do remind me of someone now that I think about it.

Anonymous (ID: 9e4a90)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391926

>Over 500 posts
This is a big thread...

vynn (ID: e93081)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391927

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>>391926
For you

Mk17 (ID: 9f9dab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  391932

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>>391926
>
This is a big bread

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 2e2aa8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392061

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Every able bodied adult is the militia. Yes, every citizen* has the right to own a gun. No, it shall not be infringed.

*of legal age and barring disqualifying (debilitating mental illness, felons, etc) factors


The wording was not fucked up, there was no mistake in writing it at all. The wording of the bill of rights presupposes a modicum of familiarity with common law and the language of the day. The only way it can be confusing to someone is if they do not have any sort of familiarity with common law as practiced in the United States. Since you'd have to be literate to even read the thing, at the time that meant you were probably educated enough to understand what and why it was saying what it did.

Now that nearly everyone is "literate", they can read the text but severely lack background knowledge to understand it, hence why you get people fixating on the "well-regulated" and "militia" bits and mistakenly applying their modern conception of these terms to the amendment which throws off their whole understanding of what it says.

A modern translation of the 2nd Amendment would read something like:

Because the people need to be well armed to defend themselves and their country, the right of the people to keep and use suitable weaponry shall not be infringed.

(ID: 57a265)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392430

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>>392061
yeah, i am not gonna leave this post unnoticed

it's far too based to be left that way

Mythix (element of psychological warfare)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 7ca2ff)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392500

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Mk17 (ID: 05bceb)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392504

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Mythix (element of psychological warfare)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 7ca2ff)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392641

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>>392504
I want buy a bread pillow now.

Mk17 (ID: 373d3c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  392826

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>>392641
They do look super comfy. But, im wondering if its because i think a real loaf of bread that big would be super comfy. Like, the crust forming to my head haha.


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