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Maroon Auburn!QEUQfdPtTM (ID: 07265a)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid:   359282[Last 50 Posts]

#Politics
And Joe Biden IS STILL GOING TO GET THE NOMINATION

American politics tickles my funny bone

Donald Trump (ID: c33c6f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359283

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We all know I'm going to win again.

Anonymous (ID: 23bcf7)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359300

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>>359282
>And Joe Biden IS STILL GOING TO GET THE NOMINATION
lol wut? Look at the prediction markets. Bernie is most probable candidate to win the nomination:
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3633/Who-will-win-the-2020-Democratic-presidential-nomination
And as a Brit, you can wager on BetFair (not open to Americans due to America's stupid regulations on Internet gambling):
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.128161111

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359304

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>>359282
My predictions New England states are VT will go Bernie, Maine will be a toss up between Bernie and bootyman RI will go Bernie, but the delegates will be awarded to Bloomberg because our governor is corrupt just like in 2016, CT and MA have a good chance of supporting the establishment. I think MA will go to Warren because home state advantage, and i think CT will be a toss up between sanders and biden, and Bloomberg if he is on the ballot.

These are just shot in the dark predictions though.
Also, there is a ton of country left, and nothing is set in stone.
Gonna be interesting.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359305

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Also, this.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359306

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>>359305
Its funny every time.

Anonymous (ID: a41127)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359307

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Just sit back and enjoy the show. Nothing you say or do will change the outcome.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359309

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Seems obama is endorsing bloomburg
Steady Leadership | Mike Bloomberg for President

Idk if this is an official obama endorsement, but it would be a pretty ballsy move to run that without his permission.
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(ID: 7f7533)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359310

I would rather tulsi win the nomination

Ahahahaha that would never happen

Would bee 🐝 cool though

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359314

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>>359310
>Would bee 🐝 cool though
Hahaha wut?
I love that.

Anonymous (ID: a41127)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359315

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>>359309
The Bloomberg campaign is running radio spots in the Northwest that say absolutely nothing about his history in politics. Nothing they do is surprising.

They even dropped Micheal for Mike to try and make him look like an everyday American when, in reality, he's an elitist billionaire with years in New York politics and a major anti-gun agenda.

If he tosses a claim that Obama endorsed his run, that would get lost in the smoke screen his campaign is foisting on the people who never heard of him.

The good news is enough people have heard of him and his New York Police State mindset. He has less of a chance of winning than Sanders.

(ID: 7f7533)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359316

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>>359314
I was just having a little fun

Anyway, if I was gonna vote for a Democrat, i would vote for tulsi
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Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359317

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>>359315
I just noticed that the video is "unlisted" too, but has 300k+ views.

Beats me, would be weird for obama not to endorse his own VP tbh. It really might just be bloomer taking the endorsement of his own volition, which would be within character, and no one would dear risk cutting off their campaign money by criticizing him.

I dont think his real aim is to win really, i think its just to take advantage of campaign finance laws. But im sure he wouldn't mind if he did.

>>359316
Im going to use 🐝 instead of the word from now on haha.
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(ID: 7f7533)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359318

>>359317
Nice lol

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 5b1c7c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359319

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Neat

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>>359282
stop embarrasing yourself


I hate how much potential there is if Klobuchar would dip out and give Buttigieg her support
I hate how Warren instead of dropping out and supporting Bernie is desperately trying to get his supporters, proves that she's not really for the cause
I hate how much of a threat Bloomberg is with just throwing pocket change of his wealth at the wall to see if it sticks

vynn (ID: e661c3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359322

>>359321
>I hate how much of a threat Bloomberg is with just throwing pocket change of his wealth at the wall to see if it sticks
I hate that it seems to be somewhat working.

Maroon Auburn!QEUQfdPtTM (ID: 07265a)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359324

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>>359322

Ah yes, the Mitt Romney approach

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359325

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>>359321
Bloomer has no chance at the National election, the only person running with a chance at the national elections is sanders, but he is a threat to the establishment in general.

I think the DNC doesn't actually care who runs, as long as its not sanders, i think they just want a race where, ether their guy wins and they get the ball in their court again, or trump wins and they continue to bank on their stocks being so high. Its really win-win for them, and since they have no real "cause" aside from what personally benifits them, there is no real sense of urgency, and i think they are just phoning it in, making sure Bernie doesnt mess things up, and hoping they can strip individuals rights on the state level rather than the national until its a race between 2 incumbents rather than worry about taking on trump directly. Its just optics this year, which is why they are okay with people going so far left.
Obviously, they arnt going to advertise that.

If Bernie wins the nomination, it will 🐝 surprising, but they have already hog tied him and gotten him to parrot bloomberg against his own principles, so he is controllable, i think the biggest consern would 🐝 his rhetoric turning off centrists for 2024, and his lack of getting anything done will turn off base leftists in that scenario. The base would stay in 2024 but would have a piss poor showing in 2028 when still nothing has changed, and its a race 🐝tween 2 incumbents again.
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Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359327

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Tbh, im not sure Bernie winning is even a good thing in the long run.
Fact of the matter is he would end up incarcerating illegal immigrants, and bombing other countries, because no one rules alone, and the president doesn't have as much power as people like to think, esp to swim against the tide. That would ruin his idealistic image.
Maybe his is better as an idea. Idk.

The other thing could 🐝 that he does begin to executive order the country to his ideals, and the right will freak out that he is a dictator, and the left will call up their buddies in the CIA, just like they did with that pesky MLK character, and blame it on the right because they are freaking out.
At least then he will 🐝 a martyr.

Id still give him my vote, because i wanna see.
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🦊 (ID: 5f2f22)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  359334

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>>359325
>I think the DNC doesn't actually care who runs, as long as its not sanders
absolutely

>>359327
>Tbh, im not sure Bernie winning is even a good thing in the long run.
ye, let's postpone this and elect a few more business as usual presidents before considering a change of pace
and at that point we can reuse this line of thought

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359338

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>>359334
Like i said, id still vote for him, but i dont think i would care for the years of apathy an ideologue upholding the status quo would cause.
Obviously its just a theory, dont know what will actually happen, but the scenarios i laid out seem to be the most likely historically.
This is why i dont think being dependent on career politicians for drastic social change, esp in a country so vast, is a good idea.

Anonymous (ID: a41127)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359340

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This just in...

If you were counting on that free $1000 a month, forgetaboutit! Andrew Yang dropped out of the race.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-51470053/new-hampshire-primary-andrew-yang-drops-out-of-2020-race

Maroon Auburn!QEUQfdPtTM (ID: 07265a)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359341

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>>359340

yanggingganggone

Urda (ID: 8a0f88)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359344

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>>359282
And Trump will still get re-elected.

Cheers

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359378

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359399

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This >>359344 most likely.

🦊 (ID: 5f2f22)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  359407

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>>359378
it's okay, these fucking devils want free healthcare for you too

-Z- (ID: 68f472)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  359410

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>>359378
>1, 2, 3, 5, 4
You had one job...

Also...
>Project Veritas
- an American Right-wing activist group
- uses "disguises and hidden cameras to uncover supposed liberal bias and corruption"
- known for producing deceptively edited videos about media organizations and left-leaning groups
- three Harvard University scholars refer to Project Veritas as a "right-wing disinformation outfit"

🦊 (ID: 5f2f22)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  359418

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>>359410
just because Project Veritas is all that and more doesn't make all of their reporting bunk

I would be surprised if the quotes in the titles came from anyone but Bernie or Trump supporters

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359419

>>359407 Healthcare in a gulag is free? how generous.
>>359410
>has no actual arguments against what is shown
>cares more about what 3 random ideologues say

also, they are in that order as they relate to the text
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Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359420

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>>359407
No they dont.
They just say things you want to hear.

If they wanted free healthcare then one of the historically dem controlled states would have it. Instead we have laws making it manditory to buy corporate healthcare with nothing in return or pay an exorbitant fine, and laws preventing us from buying cheaper health care across state borders.

Its absolutely bull shit that anyone on the national level actually wants that, except maybe sanders, but even then, where is all the free vermont healthcare? Even then, he will never get it, he will cave like obama did.

And before you say it because of "corporate lobbiests" it still proves that the dems are bought and sold like anyone else, because they have no obligation to listen to lobbiests, they just do, because it makes them loads of money, which brings me back to the original point, they are just saying what you want to hear.
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Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359421

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>>359419
Whats the difference between you saying gulags are going to happen and left wingers saying concentration camps are going to happen?

Seems like 2 sides of the same rhetoric coin to me.

-Z- (ID: 68f472)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  359423

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>>359418
No, but it does call into question their ethics in journalism... a foreign concept in this day and age I know.

Anyone can be a "Staffer", there's no qualifications besides being "a member of the staff of an organization". There are brash, stupid people who make remarks for the "shock factor" in a conversation.

>>359419
My "argument", if there was one to begin with, is that having a single news source as my point of view to a topic is a close-minded mentality which hinders my ability to see the entire picture.

James O'Keefe, and by extension Project Veritas, is not a journalist. It's not guerrilla journalism, it's political propoganda to provide disinformation to the susceptible masses who want to hear how the people on the other side of the political spectrum are evil, vile, horrible human beings.

Essentially he's the right-wing Micheal Moore.

You're more the capable of watching and listening to whom you want to. I'll continue to keep my eyes and ears open to the whole picture, listening to both sides and making my own opinion on things without having someone say what I should be thinking or saying.

Urda (ID: ac333c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359427

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>>359421
>>concentration camps for leftists

PFFT “Freedom Happy Camps”

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359431

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>>359427
They'll be happier once the reprogramming is compleat.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359436

>>359421 The difference is that the videos I posted show died-in-the-wool Marxists, working for the Bernie campaign, who are promoting gulags in America for wrongthinkers.
>>359423 That's great and all, but does that mean the people in the video, didn't say the things they said? Do you think it's all a deep fake?

Look, this is the simplest scandal in the world to deal with: Bernie just had to come out and disavow the radical Marxists in his campaign, and fire the people speaking this nonsense. But he hasn't. Really makes you think... Could it be, he either supports them, and/or this is the core of his support base? wow, really looks good for Bernie!

Speaking of which, as much as you might dislike it and hate to admit it, I am the voter you need to convince - a center left moderate. So please, give me a candidate to vote for, that isn't batshit crazy, and part of a party that seems to hate America. not going to do that? Trump2020 baby, and R's all the way down.
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vynn (ID: b23c1e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359439

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Who even is this Kyle Jurek person?

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>>359419
what have you done that is worthy of getting gulaged?

>>359420
the power structures you purport are one big schrödinger equation

and historically dems are for liberal markets

implementing a single-payer system at a state level is vastly different from a federal level, do you even think of an answer before you post the question?

your attitude sucks and wallow in cynicism you fucking centrist

>>359421
uhh, one already happened, multiple times

>>359436
>I am the voter you need to convince - a center left moderate
no you are not, you are neither a voter worth the time investment, nor anything even close to exiting the event horizon of right wing politics
you are long gone into a pit of right wing echo chambers

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359444

>>359441 I disagree with the radical socialists and oppose the revolution. by definition > gulag, if not executed outright.

I'm right of Mao, so I'm evil. Demonize the electorate; that's how to get people you like elected. But let's be honest; you don't give a shit about elections as long as you get what you like.
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>>359444
you aren't a part of the electorate you fucking idiot, get it through your thick skull

you can larp as a center-left individual all you want to make yourself feel better and make people give you an ounce of attention and respect, but there's nothing anyone can ever say or do that will ever make you change your mind from voting republican in every election from here to the heat death of the universe

you are not important and worthy of all the snarky remarks and demonization for supporting horrific actions that destroy the lives of your fellow man

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359456

>>359454
>you aren't a part of the electorate you fucking idiot, get it through your thick skull
Is this some meta-commentary on votes that don't actually count or something due to the powers that be? I mean, if I were a registered Democrat, I'd certainly agree with you (because Superdelegates are a great system that I'm sure you endorse as long as they pick the candidate you like...) but no, I'm a registered R, and our votes are counted, and I live in a swing state, so my vote matters more than average.

>you can larp as a center-left individual all you want to make yourself feel better and make people give you an ounce of attention and respect,

I'd be happy to take a political compass test for you in real time if you like, but let's be honest, you don't care about actual positions, just "agree with me = good, disagree = evil" You are so enlightened; if only we could all share in your unbounded wisdom...

>but there's nothing anyone can ever say or do that will ever make you change your mind from voting republican in every election from here to the heat death of the universe

I mean, you're technically correct, because the Democrats have been so incredibly bad on every level, that unless the party completely collapses and disavows the horrendous things they've done, there is no chance of me voting D again! - a former Obama voter. props to AOC ripping the party in half. maybe the New Dems (once the Socialists split off) will be worth voting for again.

>you are not important and worthy of all the snarky remarks and demonization for supporting horrific actions that destroy the lives of your fellow man

Good; glad I won't have to hear from you again. Have fun in your authoritarian utopia - so good the UK is leaving!

Anonymous (ID: c33c6f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359458

>>359454
Those are a lot of liberal tears

vynn (ID: b23c1e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359463

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>>359436
>Look, this is the simplest scandal in the world to deal with: Bernie just had to come out and disavow the radical Marxists in his campaign, and fire the people speaking this nonsense.
From what I can tell he isn't on Sanders' "campaign". He's a field organizer aka someone who knocks on doors. Doubtful Sanders has even met the guy or even knows who he is. I'm not watching anything past the first video, but they said he was paid by the Sanders campaign but don't show he's been paid past September. Are we sure he actually still is field organizing at all?


>Could it be, he either supports them, and/or this is the core of his support base?

Damn yeah thats the only conclusion to take from this.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359466

>>359463 How difficult would it be for Bernie to say "This person is no longer associated with my campaign, and I do not support his views?"

Anonymous (ID: c33c6f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359467

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>>359378
>Destroy cities
>Kill people
>Ignore Law

How the fuck can anyone take these psychopaths seriously?

Also "I don't like sucking dick, I'm defending your right to so, but like who cares?"

That dude seemed so fucking betrayed by the very people he genuinely seems to be defending. Like how he mentioned that if a trans person rolls their eyes at him it's cool, but if he does the same he is a bigot.

I am witnessing a man question the beliefs of his own 'tribe's' side in opinion.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359469

>>359467 I honestly don't know which is worse, the subversives themselves, or the candidates who in the midst of a massive scandal refuse to either acknowledge or disavow them.

I feel bad for the Warren staffer.

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>>359456
no, it was shorthand for not being a part of the electorate that can be influenced in any way
I agree, all elected officials should be a result of a popular vote
centre-left republicans do not exist, it's an absolute oxmoron

the fact that you suggest political compass tests says enough

you do understand that being left is not determined by voting blue? what you are suggesting is that to make democrats worth voting for is to make them just as right wing as republicans
guess what, even in this situation you're still gonna go with the R, so why are we even pretending?

as opposed to the non-authoritarian government where people are removed from government positions for testifying against the non-authority? where people are put into prison and used as slaves to fight fires because they dared smoke pot or steal food to ease their miserable existance as an abandoned lower class citizen?
pretty rich stuff

>>359458
how dare you call me a liberal?

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359480

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>>359471 Oh, I've been influenced in a massive way, from being slightly anti-Dem to being massively anti-Dem.
I suppose you've never heard of a blue-dog Democrat either.

>centre-left republicans do not exist, it's an absolute oxmoron

>

>the fact that you suggest political compass tests says enough

that I care more about positions than tribes? yes, I suppose it does say a lot.

>you do understand that being left is not determined by voting blue?

I never said this. I thought you would have realized this, by my reference to the political compass.

>what you are suggesting is that to make democrats worth voting for is to make them just as right wing as republicans

No; a centrist would be ideal.

>guess what, even in this situation you're still gonna go with the R, so why are we even pretending?

Given that the Dems have pushed further and further left, and have abandoned the centrists, there is no reason for me to consider voting for them again. If they were to suddenly become centrists, I'm sure you'd be the first in line calling them all Nazi sellouts.

>as opposed to the non-authoritarian government where appointed, unelected officials are removed from government positions by the person they work for for obstructing the person they work for?


>where innocent people are put into prison and kept in prison and used as slaves by a Democratic presidential nomineeto fight fires because they dared smoke pot or steal food to ease their miserable existance as an abandoned lower class citizen?


ftfy

Hubert!Zn.OKn9A2o (ID: 7852cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359485

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I'm going to vote for Bernie "we're going to stop using fossil fuels" Sanders.
I'm going to vote for Bernie "It's okay, you can fuck my wife" Sanders.
I'm going to vote for Bernie "Sandanista" Sanders.

Anonymous (ID: c33c6f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359490

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>>359485
"It's okay, you can fuck my wife" Sanders

Urda (ID: 576553)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359491

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>>359490
Wrong.

Anonymous (ID: c33c6f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359503

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>>359480
did you post this graph to prove my point? the questions make me cringe, too

you claim you don't care about tribes, but make this kind of retort:
>by a Democratic presidential nominee
it is utterly baffling how you are unaware of this projection
yes, congratulations for pointing out that a right wing democrat is bad

you should be overjoyed, the democratic party is full of limpdicked centrists
too bad your leanings are more of the right kind, ha

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>>359485
I'm going to vote for Sail "Obama caused the housing crisis" Boat
I'm going to vote for Sail "Trump has zero morally bankrupt lower staff members that he needs to publicly disavow" Boat
I'm going to vote for Sail "you have absolutely no right to fight for your life when threatened with fatal policy changes" Boat

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>>359510
Trump will save us all

The Cranberries - Dreams (Official Music Video)
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vynn (ID: f1b898)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359516

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>>359466
I dunno, what does he even know about it? I thought he was knee deep in the impeachment crap, as well as idk the actual election? Like is this guy even important enough to acknowledge besides this Project Veritas claiming he is?

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359523

>>359505 Apparently you're too stupid to recognize or too blind to see the tail of the republican curve, the part over there on the left side.

Somehow you think that when a Democrat is responsible for a problem, voting against the Republican is the solution. Your logic astounds me.
I would love to go back to the days of voting for elected officials based on their individual merits, but in the present age of retarded hivemind parties, this is no longer possible.
So I am forced to support the party I disagree with 30% of the time, over the party I disagree with 94% of the time.

I don't know if you think, that I think Trump is perfect, or that I support everything that he does. He certainly isn't, and I don't. However, you manage to argue against things where I think he's 100% in the right, which I guess shows how far off the rails you are. That said, he is leagues better than the morally reprehensible hot garbage alternative.

Is 'centrist' supposed to be an insult? Yes, I am to the right of a socialist. Congratulations for pointing that out.

>>359510 funny, but you're literally making shit up now.

Have I ever even said anything here about the housing crisis? That was mostly Bush's administration's "fault", and both he and Obama handled it poorly. I would never accuse Obama of being at fault for that. I know this is hard for people to understand, since clearly people here think the current sitting president is directly responsible for everything that happens in the nation, including the actions of people in the opposition party.

Trump has repeatedly disavowed people who have spoken in favor of him, and good on him for doing so.

Given your apparent definition of "fatal", yes, I'll have to disagree with you. Yelling "I'm being oppressed" doesn't mean you're being oppressed, and doesn't give you license to do whatever you please.

>>359516 It's a major scandal. Given that election campaigns watch news like a hawk, and make statements regarding anything that comes out, whether good or bad, it is disingenuous to say he doesn't know about it.

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>>359523
tbf I'm pretty sure Bernie never said I could fuck his wife either.

Trump's administration is not free of corruption just because he talks shit about a lot of arbitrary people. That doesn't even begin to make sense, especially when you're denouncing Bernie Sanders of all people for not acknowledging some extremist underlings in response to some illegitimate rightwing nutcase press coverage that only someone like you would even know about.

My definition of fatal is the normal definition of fatal, you are really lost in your own world.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359540

>>359533 I never said it was free of corruption. And whether corruption exists has zero bearing on his disavowals, either. The logic, it eludes you.

When the press questions Trump about extremists who support him, he disavows them. It's pretty simple, really. When the press publishes video of Bernie supporters who want La Revolution, Bernie says nothing for some bizarre reason. Am I being unreasonable for wondering why he doesn't at least say something? because given how big the story is, I'm having trouble even giving him the benefit of the doubt at this point.

You'd have to give me an example then. Perhaps you have me confused with a gun-confiscating, colossal government authoritarian Democrat.

vynn (ID: b23c1e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359542

>>359523
>It's a major scandal.
Says who? You?

>and make statements regarding anything that comes out

"Anything" or "everything"? The campaign has commented on every single thing that has ever been said about him? Especially from extremely dubious sources?

>it is disingenuous to say he doesn't know about it

Again, says you.
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>>359540
Trump definitely did not have that position regarding his disavowals until he was forced into it, much like Hillary and gay marriage. Judging Bernie on the same metric is nothing short of delusion.

Show me a video of Bernie dodging the subject of disavowing his less savory supporters. If you can't find one, maybe it's because the press asks Bernie different questions than Trump, and you can't blame him for dodging questions that nobody is directly asking him. He has told his diehard audience countless times to support whoever gets the Democratic nomination, much to the dismay and receding hairlines of his anti-establishment commie troupe.

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I am now leaving to go eat meat and cheese and sauerkraut and lots of beer with friends

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359547

>>359542 Sure, says me, if it makes you happy. Pretend that the videos don't exist if it makes you feel better - as if the source of the video has any bearing on what the people are recorded as having said. If Bernie wins the primary, I would expect to see clips from these videos, played nonstop, in attack ads. Bernie could nip this in the bud, right now, be denouncing these videos he definitely knows about. But he hasn't. so best of luck to Bernie, I guess. keep fighting that fight. It's going to be a looooooong uphill battle.

not to mention the other, more moderate Democrats who can use this against him.

>>359543 Ok, well consider this my personal "forcing" Bernie into a disavowal. He had the tiniest bit of support and respect from me, and he could have kept it, but now he has zero. And whenever anyone I encounter in real life says anything about Bernie, guess who's going to be there to spread the word about his crazy activist base and the thing that Bernie hasn't disavowed?

>maybe it's because the press asks Bernie different questions

press bias you say? *gasp*

But hey, if Bernie wants his own campaign to go down in flames, that's his decision.

>>359544 enjoy

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>>359523
"I paid for my leftist buddy to vote republican, see? I proved you wrong"

when there's a knife in your chest the solution isn't to lean into it

>I don't know if you think, that I think Trump is perfect, or that I support everything that he does. He certainly isn't, and I don't.

<Somehow you think that when a Democrat is responsible for a problem, voting against the Republican is the solution.
so if a republican is responsible for a problem, why are you not voting democrat?

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359554

>>359549
>"I paid for my leftist buddy to vote republican, see? I proved you wrong"
funny.

>when there's a knife in your chest the solution isn't to lean into it

When there's a knife in your chest, it might help to know who put it there.

>so if a republican is responsible for a problem, why are you not voting democrat?

Most importantly, you and I don't agree on what the problems are.
Second, there are going to be problems regardless of who's in control, so the question isn't if there's a problem, but rather the amount and severity of problems, and whether voting against the incumbent will both solve any of the problems, while also not introducing even more and bigger problems.
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>>359547
>as if the source of the video has any bearing on what the people are recorded as having said
Well it still does idk what else to tell you guy.

>Bernie could nip this in the bud, right now, be denouncing these videos he definitely knows about.

Wonder exactly how many people would take any acknowledgement in any good faith. "You denounced this guy, I am now 100% behind you full steam and this guy going crazy about gulags was literally the only thing stopping me from getting behind your policies."

>not to mention the other, more moderate Democrats who can use this against him.

Compared to literally everything else that they have already thrown at him, this will definitely be the achilles heel, yep.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359558

>>359555
>Well it still does idk what else to tell you guy.
/shrug
Believe whatever you like.

>Wonder exactly how many people would take any acknowledgement in any good faith. "You denounced this guy, I am now 100% behind you full steam and this guy going crazy about gulags was literally the only thing stopping me from getting behind your policies."

For someone who's on the fence, it might be part of what makes the difference, since it will call into question his other policy positions and allegiances. If he does make it through the primary, expect him to be railed hard on this issue. But like I said, he can at least head it off now. His choice, of course.

>Compared to literally everything else that they have already thrown at him, this will definitely be the achilles heel, yep.

grains of sand make a heap.

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>>359554
and turn to the person who wanted the stabber to use a bigger knife?
what you egg? [he stabs him]

nice pivot

>>359558
>For someone who's on the fence
fucking stooop

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359564

>>359561 Do you disagree? I'm curious what your response is, to the best economy, ever, and the lowest unemployment rates on record.

>>For someone who's on the fence

>fucking stooop
I'm not talking about myself; I'm talking about voters who haven't already decided. but don't get me wrong, I'm going to do everything possible to convince people IRL to vote against the Dems.
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I think I've learned something very important in this thread.

Y'all make shit up about everyone you argue with. Not just me. I'll stop taking it so personally from now on, cause apparently it's the only thing either side of any of those arguments knows how to do.

Mythix(element of psychological warfare)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: eefe5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359567

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>>359565
Except for me, Im always 100% factual and serious.

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>>359567
This doesn't even deserve a legitimate response of any kind.

Mythix(element of psychological warfare)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: eefe5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359574

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>>359571
But didn't it make you laugh?

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>>359565
Arguments of any kind on this site lead to nothing but name calling and insults...

There's no discussion, no sharing of ideals, just two or more individuals bashing their heads together to see who's will break first.

... but then again, I also try not to talk about politics much anyway... doesn't do anyone any good...

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>>359574
No. I only laugh at things that are funny, and I don't find things that are cringy and sad to be funny.

Mythix(element of psychological warfare)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: eefe5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359581

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>>359576
How could this happen to me
I made my mistakes
I've got no where to run
The night goes on
As I'm fading away
I'm sick of this life
I just wanna scream
How could this happen to me

vynn (ID: b23c1e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359582

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>>359558
>For someone who's on the fence, it might be part of what makes the difference
Someone like who? You? For someone who I really don't think is going to vote for him no matter what, you sure are putting a lot of consideration into what's best for his campaign. Unless of course, none of this is in good faith.

>If he does make it through the primary, expect him to be railed hard on this issue.

If it's not this it will be literally anything else.

>grains of sand make a heap

And these other grains of sand...?

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>>359564
Why the fuck does it matter if the economy is supposedly doing so well? No one whose net worth is under a million is feeling that and the benefits are disproportionally going to those who own everything. Also at what cost? Set up a coup in Bolivia so Tesla stock goes up, hell yeah. Remove a few environmental regulations so some of the internal costs can be externalized to later administrations (preferably democrats so the pendulum can swing back once more), hell fucking yeah. If the economy is doing so well, isn't that an argument to spread the wealth and not cut people out of social programs and cut the budget of Medicare?

There's an interesting story here about how increasing the threshold to recieve food stamps is actually incredibly damaging to small businesses who rely on a stable purchasing base, where bigger companies can handle turbulant markets, but this is beside the point.


The slope of the curve is stagnant and a holdover from Obama, this goes for employment too. Since you're a dirty capitalist, you'll be delighted to find out that economists say that unemployment is too low. What good does it to the people to have a job that doesn't pay enough? We have a saying here: "Do a job with meaning." It's used when your job literally serves no purpose to the betterment of society. Imagine my shock when I found out that "bagger" and "greeter" were occupations.

In a world where an increasing amount of jobs are replaced by automation, it would be natural that unemployment would rise or working hours would decrease. Why is the opposite true then? Why is your worth as a human tied to the amount you produce in services or product?

The economy and employment rates are moot points in a vacuum that can describe a myriad of things.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359585

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>>359436
Yes, but as i understand it it wasnt like, a guy working directly for bernie sanders, it was a guy working for the iowa sanders campaign. There are hundreds of those people, in all 50 states.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-campaign-staffer-sam-nunberg-fired-after-racist-facebook-posts-n402756
There is a tit for tat on the trump campaign, but its not the same comparison, because both these campaign staffers are political retards, but trumps made public comments and bernies made candid comments that became public.
And no, im not happy bernies responce was to hush up and hope it goes away, but, thats not my point. My point is you jumping to the conclusion that because one low level satellite staffer of the Iowa bernie campaign said something about gulags, that its inherent to bernies campaign; is really no different than people pointing to a trump supporters that say stupid racist shit and holding trump responcible.
You cant pretend that out of the hundreds+ people that work on the trump campaign as low state level organizers, that you wouldnt be able to find a handful to secretly record saying some candid fucked up things.
So someone saying something akin to "Bernie litterally wants gulags!" because this one guy says a thing is just the other side of the "trump literally wants concentration camps" coin when his retards say something retarded.
Neither trump nor sanders probably want these things, and cant be responcible for every dumb thing their useful idiots say.
>>359441
My attitude is perfect, as always, and you love me.
Yes, i do know what it would 🐝 like to impliment on the state level, it would 🐝 akin to implimenting it on the same level as a countries like the UK or Finland, because the populations/economics are much more comparable on that level, then on the fed level of the US.
NY has a GDP of over a trillion dollars, and a population of ~19.5 million people, thats comparable to almost any European country, and its not even the biggest economy in the US.
Fuck, just NYC is comparable to most of the euro countries with healthcare.
Yet, they have been primarily dem controlled for decades, and no single payer. edit: but plenty of stop and frisk. Gotta treat them minorities with a stiff arm ya know?
Mitt Romney passed pretty much the same thing as obama on the state level in 2006 reguarding healthcare, so absolutely it can be done on the state level. The same thing happened btw, they wanted single payer, but instead caved to the insurance lobbies and made buying private insurence manditory, though, they had much better subsidies and much more realistic income standards. Something like you could be subsidized up to 300% over the fed poverty line.
If anything, it would 🐝 much easier to impliment, over see, and taylor needs on the state level, than trying to do the same with 350 million people on the federal.
But, it doesn't get done.

Edit
🐝's
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>>359581
There's no harm; I will face my demons
Fear's not real; my will is strong
Walk on through, and face the tyrant
Stay where you are til the sealing is over

Mythix(element of psychological warfare)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: eefe5f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359590

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>>359586
Take me high and I'll sing
Oh you make everything okay (okay, okay)
We are one in the same
Oh you take all of the pain away (away, away)
Save me if I become
My demons

algol (ID: f298bc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359591

The topline unemployment level has been bullshit since 93. Real unemployment is around 9% with workforce participation rates lower than in 50 years. I got a 10 cent trump raise while rent and insurance have skyrocketed and it would cost me 30 grand in high interest loans to go back to school now. The GDP numbers are fairly cooked books and retail spending has been falling for years if you follow the final reports rather than the projections that the news reports.
So I reject the idea that the economy is doing well.

vynn (ID: b23c1e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359592

algol (ID: f298bc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359593

>>359585
The guy was a volunteer leading a phone bank. It's an unpaid position. My brother did it and it's literally just consistently showing up to volunteer events for a month or so to get that position. There's basically nothing the bernie campaign could do to stop crazies from showing up since the guy is in the same position as several tens of thousands of volunteers.

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>>359565
bitch what you mean? does this mean we can have at it again?

>>359585
the scale has absolutely nothing to do with it, only proportions do
in fact the more people you have covered, the better the system works because there's less unstability
for example in a population of 10 people having to cover expenses for 3 instead of 2 people is a huge difference, where 100 000 to 100 001 is not

issues would arise from the nature of the US being made up of states, one would think

algol (ID: f298bc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359596

>>359591
As well, most people are taxed in real terms at a higher level because of changes trump made to refunds concerning refunding your state tax or if your child is over 18. Yes your taxes on the paycheck went down but once the refund is factored, taxes have gone way up. Most people who say "I make more money now!" don't know how to follow their own finances.

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>>359575
>Arguments of any kind on this site lead to nothing but name calling and insults...
>There's no discussion, no sharing of ideals, just two or more individuals bashing their heads together to see who's will break first.
That's how it is and how it has always been on pretty much any online community.

vynn (ID: b23c1e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359599

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>>359593
>The guy was a volunteer leading a phone bank. It's an unpaid position.
He was paid though.

Urda (ID: 55c2c0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359600

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>>359599
>>he was paid though

Good
>>359598
>>online community
>>ponies

Why can’t friendship be real?
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>>359600
Our friendship has been hacked

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359602

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>>359592
To 🐝 or not to 🐝
I refuse the latter
>>359593
Yup exactly. You could literally choose any candidate and find someone on their "staff" at that level and come up with the same "smoking gun".
>>359595
You are right, the more you have paying in, the better the results.
But that doesn't mean its impossible with 19 million people, in fact, its been proven to work well. So, why excuse waiting until they get the presidency, house and senate, making people wait decades, when they could do it on the state level, (which we agree is completely doable, just not 100% perfectly ideal)
Prove the concept, cover as many as you can, put a dent in the corporate insurance establishment, and then migrate those people to a federal plan when you have the coalition to do so.
They dont do it, not because they cant, but because its a great carrot to dangle, and they own stock in the insurance companies.
Dude, you're never going to get a real social change and an upheaval of the status quo from American politicians running as a D or and R on the national level. Even if we elect the most altruistic person who has ever grased the earth, there are too many hands, and too much money, for any one person to make a significant change, besides slowly trickling out bones, as long as they keep favor in the hands of the establishment.
If someone can make more money with single payer, that it justifies the collapse of an industry that employs hundreds of thousands(+) of voters, then we will get single payer. Untill then, what you currently see, is what we will have, and what we have from the dems is the government mandating that we give money to a private corporation, for nothing in return.
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FUCK 🐝S
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(ID: 0953c4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359606

Just 🐝urself

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359607

🐝 all that you can 🐝

(ID: e29ff5)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  359608

I wanna 🐝 sedated

algol (ID: f298bc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359614

>>359599
How? Phone bank organizer is an unpaid position or else I know some folks who are >doing it for free

Off topic but you gotta love education on healthcare. I literally just had
>mam your blood sugar is over 500
>dope. Can I have some ice cream and chips?
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>>359600
Were put here just too suffer.

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>>359582
>Someone like who? You?
No, not someone like me, as I already said.

>For someone who I really don't think is going to vote for him no matter what, you sure are putting a lot of consideration into what's best for his campaign. Unless of course, none of this is in good faith.

Previously, I could say "I don't agree with his policies, but I respect him because X, Y, Z" and then he sort of lost his credibility by showing zero spine during the last election, but I could still say "I don't agree with his policies, but the Democrats done him dirty, so I can still root for him", but now he's losing that too, and all I can say is "fuck that guy, he deserves it"

And it's not like I want the Democratic party to consist of lunatics. I'd like to have an actual choice come election time.

>If it's not this it will be literally anything else.

I mean, do you want him to lose?

>And these other grains of sand...?

take your pick. there's the SJW rollover. there's the praise of communist regimes. there are the policies, themselves. there are the accusations, whether real or not. but #believewomen, so I guess Bernie's gotta go...

>>359584 I was hoping you'd go there, because I'm not talking about GDP alone. In actuality, inflation-adjusted household income is higher now than ever before, at all levels. The top 5% is richer than ever before. The top 25% is richer than ever before. The top 50% is richer than ever before. The bottom 25% is richer than ever before. The bottom 5% is richer than ever before. and this is adjusted for inflation.

Look, I know in your Utopia, everyone is in the same level of squalor and all, but here in America, things are actually going well.

>There's an interesting story here about how increasing the threshold to recieve food stamps is actually incredibly damaging to small businesses who rely on a stable purchasing base, where bigger companies can handle turbulant markets, but this is beside the point.

This is one of the main problems I have with food stamps in general. The same goes for housing programs.

>economic arguments

We still have a massive national debt, you know. And we still have unfunded liabilities that are enormous in comparison to the gains. Why the hell shouldn't we address them before they literally destroy our economy? we should just give out free candy to everyone, and not worry about the house catching on fire?

Your economic policies are comparable to a kid fresh out of high school, who just got a job bonus, blows the whole thing on hookers and blow, only to wonder why they no longer have any money left. cry to daddy for more money and blame someone else while you're at it - socialism in a nutshell.

>The slope of the curve is stagnant and a holdover from Obama, this goes for employment too.

There is a lower limit to unemployment.
>Since you're a dirty capitalist, you'll be delighted to find out that economists say that unemployment is too low.
Congratulations, you've apparently found some economists who thinks bread lines are a good thing.
>What good does it to the people to have a job that doesn't pay enough?
Who decides what "enough" is? oh no, someone can only afford a 48 inch TV, instead of a 70 inch! woe is he.
>We have a saying here: "Do a job with meaning." It's used when your job literally serves no purpose to the betterment of society.
being paid to sit on your ass and provide nothing to anyone is a much better alternative, I'm sure.
>Imagine my shock when I found out that "bagger" and "greeter" were occupations.
They are jobs, not careers.

>In a world where an increasing amount of jobs are replaced by automation, it would be natural that unemployment would rise or working hours would decrease. Why is the opposite true then?

because it hasn't fully hit all industries, and in those that it has hit, the levels at which it effects different companies varies. pretty simply concepts, really.
>Why is your worth as a human tied to the amount you produce in services or product?
I never said it was.
>The economy and employment rates are moot points in a vacuum that can describe a myriad of things.
They are certainly things you can disregard when they indicate in favor of Trump, while you maintain the illusion that everything he does is bad by definition.

>>359585 will respond later

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>>359585 Correct, these are all random nobodies. However, I hold Bernie to the same standard that I hold Trump.
How many times has Trump strongly disavowed white nationalists and the like? How many times has it been brought up, when random Joe Schmo KKK member, says something in favor of Trump, and Trump disavows the guy and everything he stands for? These aren't people associated with the Trump campaign. These aren't people associated with the Republican Party. These are random people, that are sought out and brought up as examples by the news media, and then Trump goes out of his way to disavow them. and even then, there are plenty of people who still say it isn't enough.
So, when the same happens for Bernie, multiple psychos preaching literal Stalin-era BS, are working for his campaign, you think I'm going to give Bernie a pass? You gotta be fucking shitting me.
All he has to do is come out and say "I disavow". What the fuck justification is there for him not doing that, if we hold him to the same standard as Trump?
Barring that, what is your justification for this massive double standard?

but I'll tell you exactly what I think he's doing and why.
1) He definitely knows about it. There is a 0% chance that he doesn't know about it. Campaigns comb for any relevent information to give them an edge, across all sources, and will make comments on the most minute of details. This is not a minute detail.
2) Therefore he is ignoring it on purpose. Why?
3) Because he knows that a significant portion of his base actually agrees with this bullshit, and if he calls it out, he will piss them off and guarantee a loss in the primary.
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>>359640
These graphs of income look pretty stagnant to me. [1] Not only is income not wealth, these are breadcrumbs compared to what kind of increases should be happening. If you compare the numbers to the cost of living it gets outright sad to even suggest that people are doing better than before. For example: The median home value in 1970 was just over 2 times the household income, in 2019 it's 3.9 times. [2] You have to be a caveman to think that a median income increase of 10% in 50 years is something to boast about. Even if you are just talking about the last few years, the increases are following a trend started during Obama's administration. So your praisal is toward the wrong people. [3] Just because I think you're a fucking moron and might unironically think that people are richer than ever before, let's throw in the old wealth gain in the past 30 years. [4]

okay that's enough of serious replies

>This is one of the main problems I have with food stamps in general. The same goes for housing programs.

that they stabilize the economy and help people? or can you just not read correctly

defecit spending is a complete nonissue and mainly a boogieman to woo over stupid people in political battles
but if you care about that, why are you supporting republicans who manage to inflate the national debt every time they're in charge
>Who cares? This 1 trillion dollar deficit is an investment. Trust me, we're gonna win big. We have lots of great deals in the works, great deals.
yes, you should give out free candy instead of cutting billionaire's taxes

>There is a lower limit to unemployment.

well obviously the lower bound is 0%, but that's not healthy
there needs to be elasticity, productivity decreases and inflation accelerates
>Congratulations, you've apparently found some economists who thinks bread lines are a good thing.
yes, offering people food instead of having them die on the street is generally a good thing, you absolute degenerate
>Who decides what "enough" is? oh no, someone can only afford a 48 inch TV, instead of a 70 inch! woe is he.
me, I decide
private jet per year minimum and 6 hour work days
>being paid to sit on your ass and provide nothing to anyone is a much better alternative, I'm sure.
yes, getting to live a life is better
>They are jobs, not careers.
and?
still counts for employment baby let's go
lowest unemployment rate matters 👏👏👏👏

you're kinda missing the point with this automation spiel
I say it is in this neoliberal capitalist hellhole
jesus christ you're such a simp

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>>359646
>These graphs of income look pretty stagnant to me.
Are... are you kidding? You do understand, that this is inflation-adjusted, right? Do you know what "inflation" means? What the hell kind of curve are you expecting?
>[1] Not only is income not wealth, these are breadcrumbs compared to what kind of increases should be happening. If you compare the numbers to the cost of living it gets outright sad to even suggest that people are doing better than before. For example: The median home value in 1970 was just over 2 times the household income, in 2019 it's 3.9 times.
It's almost like housing prices aren't a good indication of... pretty much anything, huh? Who'd have thought. Next you'll be complaining about the low hot air balloons per capita vs the Victorian Era and how we're so much worse off. Trump's fault, I'm sure.
>[2] You have to be a caveman to think that a median income increase of 10% in 50 years is something to boast about.
Again, do you know what inflation means?
>[3] Just because I think you're a fucking moron and might unironically think that people are richer than ever before, let's throw in the old wealth gain in the past 30 years. [4]
What was the per capita of iPhones 30 years ago, exactly? How many people had cable TV 80 years ago? How many people had Internet in the 80s? Laptops in the 70s? Yeah, we're so much worse off nowadays, with an objectively lower standard of living as well.

>>This is one of the main problems I have with food stamps in general. The same goes for housing programs.

>that they stabilize the economy and help people? or can you just not read correctly
No, that they artificially inflate prices and also incentivize decreased productivity.

>defecit spending is a complete nonissue and mainly a boogieman to woo over stupid people in political battles

damn, roasted. How do you like smelling your own farts?

>but if you care about that, why are you supporting republicans who manage to inflate the national debt every time they're in charge

You say that as if the Democrat is going to do anything different. Again, why should I vote for someone else, who isn't going to solve the problem you're complaining about?

>>Who cares? This 1 trillion dollar deficit is an investment. Trust me, we're gonna win big. We have lots of great deals in the works, great deals.

>yes, you should give out free candy instead of cutting billionaire's taxes
I'm a billionaire now? news to me.

>well obviously the lower bound is 0%, but that's not healthy

>there needs to be elasticity, productivity decreases and inflation accelerates
and people in those bread lines who can be convinced to vote for additional Soviet-bucks, of course.

>yes, offering people food instead of having them die on the street is generally a good thing, you absolute degenerate

demanding food from others, when you're too lazy to work for it yourself - it's the Marxist way

>me, I decide

>private jet per year minimum and 6 hour work days
no hot air balloon? how austere.

>yes, getting to live a life is better

being depressed at home is better

>still counts for employment baby let's go

yes, and?

>you're kinda missing the point with this automation spiel

I get the Yang argument. but unfortunately for him, we live in the real world, where things have value based on scarcity, supply, and demand.
>I say it is in this neoliberal capitalist hellhole
interesting.
>jesus christ you're such a simp
I have to wonder how much your government pays you, and what sort of mental gymnastics you have to jump through to try to justify your own existence as a result.

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>>359647
so you concede on all fronts in terms of everyone being richer than ever and the economy being great

you also concede on republicans caring about national debt, and yes the debt has lowered during a democratic presidency every time since the great depression except after the last depression, where Obama's administration only stabilized it, SAD

>I'm a billionaire now? news to me.

you really should learn to read
>demanding food from others, when you're too lazy to work for it yourself - it's the Marxist way
didn't you just push back on your worth as a human being tied to the amount you produce? make up your mind
really getting some hikikomori avenger vibes here
>yes, and?
just another point at employment being a useless metric
>where things have value based on scarcity, supply, and demand.
and since the supply of labour is too high it's time to start pruning, right?
>what sort of mental gymnastics you have to jump through
and what the fuck do you call this Trump derangement syndrome?

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>>359650
>so you concede on all fronts in terms of everyone being richer than ever and the economy being great
No? It is better than ever, as you yourself demonstrated. Don't get me wrong, the every-family-gets-its-own-suburban-house-with-a-white-picket-fence version of the American Dream was itself a fabrication of the 50s and 60s, and that facade has in fact died, but in real terms, the nation and its citizens are doing better than ever before.

>you also concede on republicans caring about national debt, and yes the debt has lowered during a democratic presidency every time since the great depression except after the last depression, where Obama's administration only stabilized it, SAD

I'll give you that one, in part. It was one of the main things I liked about Bill Clinton. However, the Democrats of today, are not the Democrats of the 90s, making this is a poor justification to vote D. There is no indication, based on anything the D's say, that reducing debt is even a minor concern.

>you really should learn to read

I mean, I know you only care about class conflict and "The Revolution", but you should really try listening to actual people instead of just saying they're wrong because Marx says so.

>didn't you just push back on your worth as a human being tied to the amount you produce? make up your mind

I did. But you brought it up, so clearly, in your mind, there's a connection there.

>just another point at employment being a useless metric

If your goal is to have unemployed people, then I suppose you would have reason to call it useless.

>and since the supply of labour is too high it's time to start pruning, right?

Is it? Since immigration dropped, coupled with ICE raids, it actually isn't, and there are some very high profile examples to show this. It's a buyer's market, so to speak. more power to the workers. I'd have thought you'd be in support of that, but I guess not. just paying lip service to The Revolution.

>and what the fuck do you call this Trump derangement syndrome?

in your case, probably, but I don't know. prove me wrong. Give an example of something "good" that Trump has done as president, which you support.
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>>359643
>3) Because he knows that a significant portion of his base actually agrees with this bullshit, and if he calls it out, he will piss them off and guarantee a loss in the primary.
No.
He isnt doing anything about it because he knows it will just get buried by the media anyway, and to call undo attention to it would be stupid af, esp at a time when the media is also against him. Its just convenient they are more protective of the left, than out to get him in this instance.
Trump only gives it attention because he is forced to by the media.

Thats it. If the media didnt parade every wackadoo trump supporter out to paint their fucked up opinion as a reflection of trump, he wouldnt give it credence, because it would be stupid, and impossible, to give attention to every rando on the internet. Its not Bernies fault the media is bias.
But now your here, saying a majority of Bernie supporters want gulags, while at the same time you would condem (rightfully) someone saying a majority a trump supporters are racist.
You're being just as bad, and super hypocritical, which reflects on all your other arguments.
You have Bernie derangement syndrome.
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>>359652 Not the majority, but an unfortunately large number - large enough to sway elections in wacko states like California and Washington. Do you think the Antifa types, the Berkeley mobs, and their myriad supporters, will go vote for someone who denounces them? Keep in mind that in closed primary states, only the most die-hard will have an interest in voting in a primary, skewing way further left than in the general election.

I ask for nothing more, than the mainstream asks for of Trump. There is nothing hypocritical about that.

Either way, I don't think it will matter. The man's lost his damn mind regardless, and there's zero chance he's going to win.
Bernie said the election is rigged against him. Trump agrees with Bernie. Now Bernie says the Dems haven't rigged anything, because Trump can never be right about anything. smh

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>>359653
I agree the media is bias against trump, and i agree bernie says whatever he is told to fallow the DNC naritive.

But you thinking enough people demand gulags in the country to sway an election, that if anyone says specifically that they dont (which bernie has a million times said he is against Soviet style authoritarianism) they will instantly lose, is just you spewing hyperbolic rhetoric. Stop. Get out of your paranoid echo chamber.
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>>359651
ok, I'm bored now

>Give an example of something "good" that Trump has done as president, which you support.

wasn't there some criminal justice reform that was supposedly a step in the right direction?

>>359653
>Bernie said the election is rigged against him.
I guarantee you're misrepresenting the course of events

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>>359654
1) We know these people exist. (You can see some of them in the videos I linked)
2) The amount is unknown.
3) These people are ultra-far left.
4) Far-left Democrats are more likely to vote in the primaries than more moderate Democrats.
5) It can be assumed, that if Bernie calls them out, they will be pissed off.
6) He's got stiff competition, so a gain or loss of just a few points could mean the difference between winning and losing.

pop quiz: Does Bernie stand to gain or lose delegates in the primaries by calling out the crazies?

just calling it like I see it.

>>359655
>wasn't there some criminal justice reform that was supposedly a step in the right direction?
fair enough.
>>Bernie said the election is rigged against him.
>I guarantee you're misrepresenting the course of events
abbreviated, but that's the gist of it.

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>>359653
>>wacko states

I remember the Siege of Waco by the Clintons.

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>>359657 I only remember the aftermath

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>>359656
>1) We know these people exist. (You can see some of them in the videos I linked)
>2) The amount is unknown.
>3) These people are ultra-far right.
>4) Far-right Republicans are more likely to vote in the primaries than more moderate Republicans.
>5) It can be assumed, that if Trump calls them out, they will be pissed off.
>6) He's got stiff competition, so a gain or loss of just a few points could mean the difference between winning and losing.

Wow, it was really easy to turn that argument into the same argument leftists use against Trump when his supporters do/say something stupid, and they want to paint everyone on that side as supportive.

Wherever dude, i see you as a hypocrite in this instance, and you haven't said anything to change my mind, so here we are.
Honestly, the only difference i see in your stances, and the stances of what you might call a "libtard" is which propaganda you've decided to submerge yourself in. The arguments are interchangeable by just plugging in a few words.

>but trump condemned it that one time.

Because he was forced to and Bernie hasent been. They would both have the same reaction under the same conditions, but bernie, by happenstance, has different conditions, so he is using different tactics. If you cant understand that idk what to say.
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>>359660 It's a good thing that I'm not painting everyone on that side then... Have you ever heard of all-or-nothing fallacy?

>Wherever dude, i see you as a hypocrite, and you haven't said anything to change my mind, so here we are.

Apparently not rolling over and taking it is your definition of being a hypocrite. glad to hear it.

>Honestly, the only difference i see in your stances, and the stances of what you might call a "libtard" is which propaganda you've decided to submerge yourself in. The arguments are interchangeable by just plugging in a few words.

You would have a point. Except that there's a condition for success, and that "win" condition for Bernie is clearly stated. All he has to do, to get an A+ with a gold star next to it, is denounce the crazies. But he hasn't, so here we are. What's that? Trump's done that countless times? but I'm the hypocrite. ok, guy.

>>but trump condemned it that one time.

>Because he was forced to and Bernie hasent been. They would both have the same reaction under the same conditions, but bernie, by happenstance, has different conditions, so he is using different tactics.
Oh, I can see he's using different tactics. And that's why I don't respect him. Best of luck to him in the general.

>If you cant understand that idk what to say.

I understand what you're saying. I disagree with it.

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>>359662
>All he has to do, to get an A+ with a gold star next to it, is denounce the crazies. But he hasn't, so here we are. What's that? Trump's done that countless times? but I'm the hypocrite. ok, guy.
>I understand what you're saying.

Obviously you dont, "guy".

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>>359660
>Because he was forced to and Bernie hasent been. They would both have the same reaction under the same conditions, but bernie, by happenstance, has different conditions, so he is using different tactics. If you cant understand that idk what to say.
I, Bernie Sanders, will welcome all support, preferably financial... and if those tankies need some help... they can borrow my old guillotine any time. The White House will know the color. RED.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359666

>>359663
>Obviously you dont, "guy".
>>359660
>but bernie, by happenstance, has different conditions

Yes, there's a name for that, and the condition is called - conveniently enough - being a Democrat. It's funny what you can get away with when you have that affliction.

I know this might come as a shock to you, but I care about the principles underlying the situation. Given the precedent, which the Dems themselves are responsible for, Bernie doesn't get a pass just because of the D next to his name.

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>>359640
>Previously, I could say "I don't agree with his policies, but I respect him because X, Y, Z"
So you don't like his policies which means you won't vote for him and have a vested interest in getting others to not vote for him, but on top of that you now think he's a big stinky buttface so won't vote for him and still have a vested interest in getting others to not vote for him? Damn.

>he sort of lost his credibility by showing zero spine during the last election

What

>"I don't agree with his policies, but the Democrats done him dirty, so I can still root for him", but now he's losing that too

??

>And it's not like I want the Democratic party to consist of lunatics.

I honestly call into question what your measure of what makes one a lunatic or not.

>I mean, do you want him to lose?

Do you want him to lose?

>take your pick. there's the SJW rollover. there's the praise of communist regimes. there are the policies, themselves. there are the accusations, whether real or not. but #believewomen, so I guess Bernie's gotta go...

Yikes Bernie's done for.

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>>359667
Oh Wow

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>>359665
Id vote for him if he said that, just to see how things go.

>>359666
Yeah, i agreed the media is bias to the DNC, but for some reason you're demanding a candidate needlessly react to what some extremist said, just to appease you, like your important at all.
It would be stupid for Bernie to make a controversy bigger than it needs to be, neither would trump. Esp when he already always says he is against it, and esp durring a primary where the media is bias against him.
But you're giving me this "Bernie just wont do it because he knows the majority of his support are tankies that want gulags, and he knows it will ruin him if he condems it because he will lose all his support" bullshit.

He is not doing it because he is smart enough to not willingly associate his name with those retards any more than it already it, and he is smart enough to know doing that just to cater to some political screamer and get an "A+" from some dude on the internet who would latch onto the next controversy reguardless would be mental.
You really think he gives a fuck what your kind thinks when your just going to start freaking out over the next thing anyway? No. No one fucking does.
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>>359669
What I wrote

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>>359672

Someone fetch me a hammer, some glue and duct tape

Seems something has broke Mikie

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>>359673
The comma interests me the most, because i feel like it means there is supposed to be more.

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>>359667
>So you don't like his policies which means you won't vote for him and have a vested interest in getting others to not vote for him, but on top of that you now think he's a big stinky buttface so won't vote for him and still have a vested interest in getting others to not vote for him? Damn.
It's like you've never heard of the concept of bipartisanship, or reaching across the aisle to your political rivals. Again, do you want people who disagree with Bernie to also hate him? Like, does that help him somehow?

>he sort of lost his credibility by showing zero spine during the last election

primarily, rolling over and letting Hillary just take the primary, and then giving her his blessing for the pleasure.
and also, standing idly by while people commandeer his campaign rally, which looks great for a would-be leader of the free world

>>"I don't agree with his policies, but the Democrats done him dirty, so I can still root for him", but now he's losing that too

>??
As I said above, Bernie is now arguing against his own formerly held position, which is that the Dems stacked the deck against him, because Trump agreed with the position, and disagreeing with Trump is more important than pointing out the corruption within his own party. As they say, Trump could come out in favor of oxygen, and Democrats would hold their breath.

>>And it's not like I want the Democratic party to consist of lunatics.

>I honestly call into question what your measure of what makes one a lunatic or not.
There are certain key issues.

>>I mean, do you want him to lose?

>Do you want him to lose?
Within the Democratic primary? No; I don't particularly want him to lose, and I think it would be good for him to make it to the general election. In the general? Yes; because I don't support his positions over all, I don't think he would be an effective leader, and he's part of a party that has done nothing but give me reasons to detest it.

>Yikes Bernie's done for.

Warren has clearly never lied by definition. /shrug

>>359670
>Yeah, i agreed the media is bias to the DNC, but for some reason you're demanding a candidate needlessly react to what some extremist said, just to appease you, like your important at all.
That's how you get support - by telling people they aren't important. /popcorn
>It would be stupid for Bernie to make a controversy bigger than it needs to be, neither would trump. Esp when he already always says he is against it, and esp durring a primary where the media is bias against him.
Again, I point you back to the same article that you posted. A Trump campaigner was fired instantly and denounced by the campaign for what was essentially... a slur against some random nobody? and a nonsense comment about Obama that sounds like something a drunk uncle would say? and for that, he got shitcanned. instantly. And you expect me to believe, that if this guy was just kept on the campaign, and the campaign said nothing and refused to acknowledge it, that this wouldn't itself be a massive scandal against Trump?
But if I hold Bernie to the exact same standard, that I am a hypocrite. alright, sure. /popcorn
>But you're giving me this "Bernie just wont do it because he knows the majority of his support are tankies that want gulags, and he knows it will ruin him if he condems it because he will lose all his support" bullshit.
I didn't say majority, either. But keep putting words in my mouth. /popcorn
>He is not doing it because he is smart enough to not willingly associate his name with those retards any more than it already it, and he is smart enough to know doing that just to cater to some political screamer and get an "A+" from some dude on the internet who would latch onto the next controversy reguardless would be mental.
Hey, I'm just some guy with an opinion. You don't like my opinion? Tough shit.
>You really think he gives a fuck what your kind thinks when your just going to start freaking out over the next thing anyway? No. No one fucking does.
No, I don't think Bernie "White people don't know what it's like to be poor" Sanders gives a fuck what I think, which is yet another reason why I'm going to be voting against him if given the chance.
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Anonymous (ID: 43bd3f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359706

>>359704
I disagree with that old Jew and also hate him 😂

!FGiFL0Ecls (ID: 5a897b)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  359707

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>>359706
Maybe you'll change your mind if he starts directly addressing the concerns of fringe-right wannabe journalist gamers who make no effort to interview him.

Anonymous (ID: 49717d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359708

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>>359707
I don't like him because he is a racist, has little to no empathy outside of those whom he wishes to please in his obvious agenda and bias, and wishes for far too radical change through violently pushing out the current normality of how things are done in this nation.

Which I find almost comical considering he is a white guy who hates other white guys.
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!FGiFL0Ecls (ID: 5a897b)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  359709

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>>359708
You sound like the average assravaged Biden-voting black voter tbh, just replace white with black

Anonymous (ID: 49717d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359710

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>>359709

Not an argument.

!FGiFL0Ecls (ID: 5a897b)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  359711

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>>359710
Voting for Trump because you think Bernie Sanders is racist and also white is probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard, what kind of response were you expecting when you set the bar so low?

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359712

>>359706 I don't hate the guy, but I have lost my respect for him. Back in 2016, I actually thought he held principled positions, and that if he had won, despite my disagreeing with most of his positions, that he might have been a decent leader. He's since managed to prove me wrong repeatedly. But what do I know - I'm just a random nobody in a swing state whose opinion doesn't matter and who the dems clearly never want voting for them again.

Anonymous (ID: 49717d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359713

>>359711

When did I say I was voting for Trump?

Not that you're wrong, but I really like the assumption. It shows moxy, and a show of character. Ignoring the last bit about being too radical for my tastes was also a nice touch. Though to answer your question at the risk of being condemned by your golden judgement, I don't really see Trump as nearly racist or biased.

I think I should add, that if there was someone else whom I found in my own personal opinion to be a better candidate who is running then that is the person I would vote for. I don't see why you need to make this so black and white: Us vs Them.

>>359712

He comes off as nonsensical, idealistic, and completely unrealistic to me. A lot of hot air and no backbone, yet the threat of him being put into office should be taken seriously. If we put that man into office it would be a disaster.

That said I don't disagree with every single thing he has said.
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>>359713
I didn't assume, I can just recognize a fellow neolib/socdem (depends on who you ask), which you are clearly neither.

He's too radical for my tastes as well, but someone further left than me would definitely shift things towards where I'd like them to be in the next decade. To assume that he would overshoot those expectations would be wildly pessimistic, considering the restrictions and undermining that even someone more moderate like Obama had to wade through.

Who's your favorite dem? Is it Tulsi?

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359715

>>359713
>He comes off as nonsensical, idealistic, and completely unrealistic to me.
I think it makes sense within his worldview, but it is pretty far-fetched.
>A lot of hot air and no backbone,
agreed.
>yet the threat of him being put into office should be taken seriously. If we put that man into office it would be a disaster.
Honestly, I wouldn't expect him to last long, given his health and the stress of the job, so a vote for Bernie is a vote for his VP and the Dem platform in my opinion. so, in short, a likely disaster.
>That said I don't disagree with every single thing he has said.
It's too bad that bipartisan issues no longer exist.

>>359714
>Who's your favorite dem? Is it Tulsi?
I respect Tulsi and think she would be a good leader, even as I disagree with her on various things.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359717

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>>359704
>That's how you get support - by telling people they aren't important. /popcorn
No, its more about not cartering to the whims of people who are always screaming about gulags and antifa, instead of actual policies and shit on the internet.
>Again... Ect...
Yeah, you very clearly still dont get the point.
>inb4 "then what is itm [insert smug internet zinger here]"
I've already explained it, and you keep going on about serface level here and now bullshit, and i dont want to spend the time to teach you about basic politics.
>I didn't say majority, either. But keep putting words in my mouth. /popcorn
Fine, "significant proportion"
But also >>359653
>large enough to sway elections in wacko states like California and Washington. Do you think the Antifa types, the Berkeley mobs, and their myriad supporters, will go vote for someone who denounces them?
So yes, you didnt say literally the word "majority" you said "enough to sway an election" and then implided a significant amount of people in California are members of antifa mobs.
Kind of like the left does to the right, and hate groups, neat.
Btw, the "/popcorn" thing makes you sound smart. I feel like you would want that reassurance.
>Hey, I'm just some guy with an opinion. You don't like my opinion? Tough shit.
Seems like a non sequitur, but yeah, thats exactly what he is doing, not giving a shit about your opinion, and its a good strategy. Trump dose it all the time.
So glad we agree there.
>yet another reason why I'm going to be voting against him if given the chance.
Yeah, and any politician that start catering to the "omg!! Did you hear what that one guy in Iowa said candidly?? /popcorn lmao! Bernie want gulags now! Antifa! Proudboys! Trump wants an ethnostate!" children who will continue to scream and yell about stupid shit reguardless, has already lost, because though your loud in your internet circles, you're a vast minority. The Dems tried, and it fucked them for 2 elections.
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Anonymous (ID: bc9a5a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359720

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>>359714
I wouldn't call myself either one of those titles, so I suppose you are correct there.

>He's too radical for my tastes as well, but someone further left than me would definitely shift things towards where I'd like them to be in the next decade. To assume that he would overshoot those expectations would be wildly pessimistic, considering the restrictions and undermining that even someone more moderate like Obama had to wade through.


Obama didn't really do much of anything except not completely fuck up outside of Obamacare and his immigration policy.

>Who's your favorite dem? Is it Tulsi?


I haven't really come to any conclusions. I feel that I would have to look into it a bit more.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359722

>>359717
>No, its more about not cartering to the whims of people who are always screaming about gulags and antifa, instead of actual policies and shit on the internet.
Yes, it's better to leave people in doubt. /popcorn
>Fine, "significant proportion"
I'll give you my actual estimates if you like. I think 1-2% of Democrats believe things that are insane and should be denounced by anyone seeking to win a general election. But this isn't a general election, and Bernie is the fringe of the Democrat party, so my estimate is that 5-10% of his supporters fall into this camp. Do you think that 5-10% of Bernie's support isn't enough to sway an election? because I would definitely say it is.
>So yes, you didnt say literally the word "majority" you said "enough to sway an election"
correct
>and then implided a "significant majority" of people in California are members of antifa mobs.
again, not a majority. However, these are Ground Zero for the Resistance types, and are indisputably places where a higher proportion of far left individuals reside.
>Btw, the "/popcorn" thing makes you sound smart. I feel like you would want that reassurance.
glad to hear it. /popcorn
>Seems like a non sequitur, but yeah, thats exactly what he is doing, not giving a shit about your opinion, and its a good strategy. Trump dose it all the time.
It's not like Bernie wanted my vote anyway, so good on him I guess. and I'll continue spreading the word about him as a consequence.
>So glad we agree there.
/popcorn
>Yeah, and any politician that start catering to the "omg!! Did you hear what that one guy in Iowa said candidly?? /popcorn lmao! Bernie want gulags now! Antifa! Proudboys! Trump wants an ethnostate!" children who will continue to scream and yell about stupid shit reguardless, because though your loud in your internet circles, you're a vast minority.
Am I? Seems like I'm in the minority here. And my condition for Bernie is clearly stated and no different whatsoever from what has become the accepted norm, the norm we have thanks to the Democratic Party and its adherents. And I will take every opportunity to call out the hypocritical party of cancel culture, when it fails to cancel its own, because regardless of how much virtue signalling the Dems do, in reality they care about nothing but their own tribe, principles be damned.
>The Dems tried, and it fucked them for 2 elections.
With any luck, it will continue to fuck them, because the party as a whole deserves to go down in flames.
/popcorn
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Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359723

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>>359670
>But you're giving me this "Bernie just wont do it because he knows the majority of his support are tankies that want gulags, and he knows it will ruin him if he condems it because he will lose all his support" bullshit.

"Politicians do not pander to their audience."
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Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359726

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>>359724
Cheers

Anonymous (ID: bc9a5a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359728

>>359726
You don't make any sense dude.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359730

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>>359728
Alright.

vynn (ID: 0931d2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359737

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>>359704
>Again, do you want people who disagree with Bernie to also hate him?
Not like I want to, but certainly feels like certain people are simply going to hate him no matter what at all he says or does. I mean at the end of the day ya ain't gonna control literally every person who just hates you, and attempting to placate every whim of every one is just going to be a waste of time. Especially when most of the people who hate him likely want to hate him and won't believe him anyway. "You're just saying that but are obviously lying and still secretly believe the opposite" etc.

>rolling over and letting Hillary just take the primary, and then giving her his blessing for the pleasure.

That's literally what a primary election is for, he lost the election, he's supposed to get on board with the winning candidate!! This is some straight up unfaithful any-action-he-takes-is-the-wrong-one bullshit.

He "rolls over" and supports Clinton? "Wow you're weak for helping her at all!!"
He instead keeps fighting strong despite it? "Wow you just took votes away from Clinton and are the reason Trump won!"

>Bernie is now arguing against his own formerly held position, which is that the Dems stacked the deck against him, because Trump agreed with the position, and disagreeing with Trump is more important than pointing out the corruption within his own party.

No clue what you're talking about.

>In the general? Yes; because I don't support his positions over all, I don't think he would be an effective leader, and he's part of a party that has done nothing but give me reasons to detest it.

Damn sounds like you're exactly the person he should be taking campaign advise from.

>Warren has clearly never lied by definition

Hahaha. So Sanders openly said he didn't say what she claimed he did, there's no proof he did, and it goes opposite of what he's always said and done in the past? And you still don't believe him at all? Exactly my point, Sanders can try to say exactly what you want him to say and you're still not going to give him fuck all.

This is a straight up waste of my time. I'm outski.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 4e04a3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359738

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>>359737
>and attempting to placate every whim of every one is just going to be a waste of time. Especially when most of the people who hate him likely want to hate him and won't believe him anyway.
>Sanders can try to say exactly what you want him to say and you're still not going to give him fuck all.
You get it.

Why waste time refuting shit for people who are hard-line against him no matter what? Esp when you dont have to. It would just be and endless endeavor with no intelligible gain, and huge losses.
Like what this convo has become.
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!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359739

>>359737
>Not like I want to, but certainly feels like certain people are simply going to hate him no matter what at all he says or does. I mean at the end of the day ya ain't gonna control literally every person who just hates you, and attempting to placate every whim of every one is just going to be a waste of time. Especially when most of the people who hate him likely want to hate him and won't believe him anyway. "You're just saying that but are obviously lying and still secretly believe the opposite" etc.

I don't hate him. But the "fuck off if you disagree" attitude typical of Bernie supporters is sure making me dislike him more, because the actions of presumptive Bernie supporters do influence my thoughts on Bernie. And while I'm sure Mk is going to chime in to call me a hypocrite, recognize that this goes "both ways" so to speak and is a normal part of the human experience. Just as a bad experience with a Trump supporter can negatively influence one's views on Trump, a negative experience with a Bernie supporter can negatively influence one's views on Bernie. This, yet again, is why it's important to denounce the crazies, whether you like it or not.

and I can't say I've ever heard a Republican tell me, "If you don't agree with us, get out. We don't want your vote." really makes you think...

And you're right. There are people who will think, if Bernie denounces the crazies, that he's lying and secretly believes the opposite. This holds true for Trump as well, yet Trump denounces the crazies regardless, whether people believe him or not, because it is in fact the right thing to do, unless you openly support the crazies. Bernie? not so much...

>That's literally what a primary election is for, he lost the election, he's supposed to get on board with the winning candidate!! This is some straight up unfaithful any-action-he-takes-is-the-wrong-one bullshit.


“the [DNC]'s neutrality among Democratic campaigns during the primaries was merely a 'political promise,' and therefore it had no legal obligations to remain impartial throughout the process.”
so... He lost a biased primary, and then rolled over and supported the winner.
Is that strong leadership to you? Sounds more like a lemming to me.

>He "rolls over" and supports Clinton? "Wow you're weak for helping her at all!!"

>He instead keeps fighting strong despite it? "Wow you just took votes away from Clinton and are the reason Trump won!"

I'd certainly respect him more if he'd fought it, and Trump won regardless.

>No clue what you're talking about.

1) https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/bernie-sanders-democratic-national-committee-222895
2) https://www.vox.com/2016/5/6/11590174/trump-sanders-system-rigged
fast forward to 2020...
3) https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/481289-sanders-campaign-rejects-trump-claims-democratic-primary-is-not-currently
"Weaver [ a senior adviser to Bernie Sanders's 2020 presidential campaign ] said last week that the change is the "definition of a rigged system."
Trump agrees that it's rigged against Bernie
now Bernie's campaign disagrees, because Trump agreed with them

>Damn sounds like you're exactly the person he should be taking campaign advise from.

If the Dems don't want my vote, then full steam ahead.

>Hahaha. So Sanders openly said he didn't say what she claimed he did, there's no proof he did, and it goes opposite of what he's always said and done in the past? And you still don't believe him at all? Exactly my point, Sanders can try to say exactly what you want him to say and you're still not going to give him fuck all.

Well, damn, that struck a nerve. I do believe him. But according to Woke Logic(TM), we have to believe Warren. These are the rules you guys wanted.

>This is a straight up waste of my time. I'm outski.

Talking to you, is indeed a waste of my time, but if you think Bernie is going to make it anywhere near the whitehouse by simply pandering to the woke left, I've got a bridge to sell you.
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dragoni!XponyNZ6g6 (ID: ae720a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359804

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Somebody spilled popcorn ALL over the floor.

Donald Trump (ID: 7cce32)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359830

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>>359804
Nobody spills popcorn like me, buddy.

Anonymous (ID: a06416)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  359850

imagine being such a cuck you actually participate in electoral politics.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 569c15)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  360170

Oh, hey look, another Bernie terrorist supporter doing what Commies do best
https://krcrtv.com/north-coast-news/eureka-local-news/suspect-back-out-on-the-street-after-arrest-for-attempted-arson-at-eureka-gop-office
It's almost like Bernie should tell these people to stop being violent pieces of shit or something.

Anonymous (ID: aedc7f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  360178

>>360170
Why does that last bit sound like something Tipper Gore would say something against metal music in 1984?

Anonymous (ID: aedc7f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  360181

Why the fuck does the guy on the left look like he's going to drop dead any second?

Why does the woman in the middle have such a huge fucking mouth?

And why does the guy on the right look like a Who from The Grinch? Seriously he doesn't even need make up or anything just throw him in a fucking costume and he would fit right in.

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This thread is appalling but also kind of awe inspiring. What a beautiful disaster.

!FGiFL0Ecls (ID: 6abab3)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  360285

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>>360181
good one Maroon, def not cringe

Anonymous (ID: bb3b45)Country code: br, country type: geoip, valid: 1  360310

I'ma ignore the rest of the thread and whine about politics in my country
>be 2018
>mcfucko Bolsonaro is pretty much guaranteed to get into run-offs with one other candidate
>all candidates would beat him in the run-offs except the left winger Haddad from PT, because red stars are bad I guess
>Brazilians: "well fuck, I don't want Mr Pockets in there but the only other people who exists is Haddad?"
>also Brazilians: *ignores all other candidates who are almost all of them a better fucking pick than Haddad*
>tl;dr 2018 elections were likely to go into run-offs and the worst two candidates of the entire field were picked, including the only one that would lose to the actual worst pick

Democracy fucking blows.

Anonymous (ID: 782138)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  360314

>>360310
The system is alright, but it has to rely on a smart population to work.

(ID: 89fb65)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  360316

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>>360310
This is basically what the last US election was.


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