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Problematic Smartphone Usage now a psychiatric disorder Anonymous (ID: a2d65f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid:   346446[View All]

I blame the British.

https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-019-2350-x
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Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 210cd5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347002

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>>346997
I know.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 210cd5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347005

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>>347003
Yeah, the reaction pic kind of eludes to that.
Idk, i dont get why watching the people around you be frustrated and upset is fun for you, but i personally dont enjoy being a part of the show.
Like, its nice your having a yuk at my expense, but on my end it fucking sucks.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 73e442)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347006

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>>347001
Eh, at the end of the day he's just a person on the internet.

The only question I have to ask is why would people spend most of their time trying to makes another person's day worse

That's the question I want to know.

Seems really counterproductive

I prefer civil conversations

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 210cd5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347008

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>>347006
Lack of an actual life or opinions to talk about combined with an undying thirst for attention.
Thats my theory.

Ether way, it snowed a ton here and its still coming down, so i gotta shovel before work and leave early to compensate for traffic, so i should get to sleep.

>>347007
Whatever, im not going to argue about it, but i still dont appreciate being the butt of your fun.
To each their own i suppose.

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>>346988
I don't like when people make false claims about me.

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>>347008
>i dont appreciate being the butt of your fun
That's not... what i want...
... sorry if it seems... like that...
>>347009
it happens... people say things about other people... and from my experience, people are going to believe what they want to believe...

for better... or for worse...

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 73e442)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347011

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>>347008
Later

Ika's name (ID: 447e39)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347012

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>>346989
Damn you made an entire 180.

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For the record, I've never advocated for Fox to be banned, nor do I think he's done anything to deserve it.

In fact, I don't even hate him. I just wish he'd stop doing this bullshit ALL the time.

Thauma (ID: 4d96e2)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347015

I often wonder how the children I see at restaurants, staring at a smartphone so they stay quiet during their parents' dinner, will end up when they grow up. Just how much their brain will associate good times with that screen, and simply give up looking outside of it entirely.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 210cd5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347017

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>>347013
Im not advocating it ether, im just lamenting the fact that I've stuck up for him so much.
>>347015
I need your discord tag number yo.
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Thauma (ID: 4d96e2)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347018

>>347017
But why, you already have it?

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 210cd5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347019

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>>347018
I got locked out of my account weeks ago.
I've been posting at you but its always hours after yours, because my schedule is all messed up, and our ralph and sam routine is suffering for it haha. I even tried temping you with promises of epoxy stories haha.
I remember the name, i just need the number.

Thauma (ID: 4d96e2)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347020

>>347019
My silicone moulds started deteriorating :(

#5421

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 210cd5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347021

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>>347020
>My silicone moulds started deteriorating :(
Noooooooooooooooo!

Sent btw, bed sleeps now.

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>>346980
>he takes YOUR viewpoint and misconstrues it in the most ridiculous fashion possible, and then insists that's what your argument is, and when you try to tell him it's not, he insists on arguing against it anyway, because he knows it's much easier for him to argue with a fictional viewpoint he invented instead of arguing with the actual viewpoint you presented

This point would be really good if it wasn't in a thread that literally has me whining:
>It would be too easy to just clarify your position or refute my interpretation

After the latest clarification I toss everything you've said previously in this thread aside and tackle it as an isolated statement, come to the same conclusion as in my first post and somehow I am holding you to previous statements or denying you from further clarification.

>>346986
>This is straight up strawmanning. He blatantly misconstrues other people's arguments into things no rational person would try to present and then acts like you're a horrible person for having the point of view he just made up.
In not one of these posts have you actually shown an example of this or tried to refute my assessment. It's just you making authorative statements about me doing it, no explanation needed. There must be a fancy term for this action, where one just scoffs at a person and says "look at this ridiculousness" without ever addressing why it's ridiculous, but I can't be arsed to find out.

Oh, and here's an example of me steelmanning what you said:
>>346762
>Even if you completely disregard the science


Since it hasn't apparently been obvious that I welcome clarification and rescinding statements, let me encourage you to do so in the future.

Toybox(Professional Slut)!!Celestia (ID: 9510f0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347026

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>>347025
I already clarified it and you were like, "Lol, that's what I said." when it obviously wasn't. You seem to be incapable of even understanding the concept. I don't know how else to explain it to you so that your lizard brain can comprehend it.
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>>347026
>I already clarified it
If you still stand by your clarifications, and feel free to rescind them, I explained why they're still affirmations of my original accusal without a counter argument. No, saying "Ok. So you're retarded. None of what you said makes any goddamn sense." isn't a counter argument.

>you were like, "Lol, that's what I said." when it obviously wasn't
Where? I genuinely feel like I'm being gaslighted. I don't even understand what you mean. That's what I said you said? That's why I originally accused you? If it's the former, I don't believe I've put any other words in your mouth than the common sentiment of ridicule and insults. If it's the latter, it doesn't even make sense to complain because I accepted and then offered you to reword your thoughts, which naturally changes the structure of my argument.

>You seem to be incapable of even understanding the concept.
What concept?

>I don't know how else to explain it to you
A pretty easy way is to quote something I say and explain what's wrong with it. No, "Ok. So you're retarded. None of what you said makes any goddamn sense." isn't an explanation.

Anonymous (ID: 164a78)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347034

>>347025
That isn't an example of strawmanning.

Toybox(Professional Slut)!!Celestia (ID: 9510f0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347035

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>>347030
Okay. Jesus christ. Let's go over your post so I can walk you through this:

>Gatekeeping: When someone takes it upon themselves to decide who does or does not have access or rights to a community or identity.

Literally what you meant:
<What I was GETTING at in my original post before this smooth brained piece of shit decided to open his mouth was that every time they classify every single little thing as it's own separate illness it's going to get to the point where just being alive is considered a mental illness band the term is going to lose all meaning, leaving those who actually need help left with none.

This is all you said, and you no way explained how just copying and pasting my post fits the description you posted in any way, shape or form. You literally just posted a definition, then copied my explanation and said, 'The two are the same' without explaining in ANY way how you came to that conclusion, because to any sane person, my comment and your description do not match in the slightest.

NO WHERE in my post do I talk about anyone having access to rights or community or identity. All I said was that because mental illness needs to be treated with the same respect as regular medical practice, they shouldn't be randomly naming every condition a new type of disorder when there is already previous categories that would cover it. It would be like if instead of having terms like "Virus" or "Bacteria" to cover wide ranges of things that cause disease we just named every single strain it's own individual disease type. It would start to get ridiculous and overwhelming. All science uses this breakdown, whether it be elements, how we categorize species, or how we recognize disease. However in the case of mental illness, for SOME reason, people think it's okay to just just throw this system completely out the window and make a disorganized mess of just random conditions with no correlation to the fact that other conditions may be at play here, despite the fact that is how EVERY OTHER SCIENTIFIC FIELD WORKS.

NONE of this is "Gatekeeping". It's simply, "FOLLOW THE FUCKING FORMAT."
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Anonymous (ID: e1e614)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347047

>>347035
Don't talk to it.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: b81c1e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347052

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>>347047
Someone on the internet is wrong

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>>347035
>This is all you said, and you no way explained how just copying and pasting my post fits the description you posted in any way, shape or form. You literally just posted a definition, then copied my explanation and said, 'The two are the same' without explaining in ANY way how you came to that conclusion, because to any sane person, my comment and your description do not match in the slightest.
I explained it in post >>346639
I thought it was easy to see the gatekeeping element in it.

>they shouldn't be randomly naming every condition a new type of disorder when there is already previous categories that would cover it
This is like saying that influenza viruses shouldn't have subcategories.
>It would be like if instead of having terms like "Virus" or "Bacteria" to cover wide ranges of things that cause disease we just named every single strain it's own individual disease type.
Here the analogy is "mental illness".
>It would start to get ridiculous and overwhelming.
Chances are, it appropriately is.
>All science uses this breakdown, whether it be elements
Elements are also broken down into isotopes, spinstates, exited states...
>disorganized mess of just random conditions with no correlation to the fact that other conditions may be at play here,
The study literally is for the sole purpose of finding these correlations.

>NONE of this is "Gatekeeping". It's simply, "FOLLOW THE FUCKING FORMAT."
You are gatekeeping scientific progress in this very paragraph so incredibly fiercly for no reason, just because you need it to fit your own personal view of what is allowed. Despite it fitting your requirements (PCU as a mental illness, like a new disease as a virus). In this kind of heirarchical thinking quarks or subatomic particles would've never been allowed, since they don't fit elements. So I ask you this. Even if PCU didn't fit mental illness, why would it be invalid to categorize it as its own thing?

Toybox(Professional Slut)!!Celestia (ID: 9510f0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347096

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>>347095
>Even if PCU didn't fit mental illness, why would it be invalid to categorize it as its own thing?

Because we already have it. It's fucking called "Addiction."

We don't need "Banana Addiction" and "Cereal Addiction" and "Cell Phone Addiction" and "Shoe Addiction" etc. to all be their own little separate categories.

It's just fucking Addiction. Why is that complicated for you to understand?

Thauma (ID: 4d96e2)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347098

>>347096
Different addictions work in different ways, lumping them into the same category would not be sufficient.

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>>347096
We already have influenza, we don't need subtypes. Addictions aren't the same. Even if they were, it would still be beneficial to categorize research associated with it in case future research found that addictions aren't all the same.

What is the downside?

Toybox(Professional Slut)!!Celestia (ID: 9510f0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347113

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>>347100
>What is the downside?
Okay, I guess you don't have first hand experience with this, so let me explain it to you.

You know how some people like to say there's like 42 different genders, and the 'I identify as an attack helicopter' joke? This is because when you start trying to give every single little minor difference it's own category, people in general stop taking it seriously. As someone who is trans, I hate when people try to "champion" the idea that there are hundreds of genders, because it trivializes my actual issue and makes the majority stop taking people like me seriously.

Since I'm also very much someone who understands the importance of mental health and psychology, seeing the same thing happen to it, where they try to classify a couple thousand different individual 'mental illnesses' to the point where no one can take the field seriously bothers me just as much.

THAT is the downside. It makes the entire field of psychology and mental health look like a joke.

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>>347113
Instead of being mad at the slavers, I was furious at the prospect of slaves revolting at their masters, for the third party was not kind to our display of liberty.

It is so incredibly sad that instead of learning sympathy from what you have gone through to show support for those that are even less accepted, you instead throw them under the bus so that you may live in comfort.

In my opinion even if these fringe identities weren't (and aren't) in the minds of those who shun them, you wouldn't find legitimacy from them. This is evidenced by the common comparison of just transgendered people being compared with identifying as a helicopter, no deliniation needed.

In fact just like you attempt to diminish the need for categorisation on the basis of 42 genders being too ridiculous, you could just as easily base the need for such diversity off of the vast categorisation in scientific fields.

I also think that this is a flase equivalency. The need for categorisation in one thing doesn't impose any determination on needing it in another. Ultimately you can subdivide any group as long as the parts aren't identical, so it's a function of usefulness whether to do it or not.

Furthermore the sentiment of "no one can take it seriously" is completely anecdotal.

Toybox(Professional Slut)!!Celestia (ID: 9510f0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347115

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>>347114
Apparently you have no idea how people function. That explains so much, tbh.

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>>347113
Also, what a cowardly bullshit argument. Don't try to shield yourself behind the opinions of others. It's like if I was asked if women should be able to vote and I answered no, but only because those misogynists would make fun of me, not because it's my actual opinion, totally.

>>347115
And what's that supposed to mean?

!SATSUkIQg2 (ID: 4807cd)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  347119

>>347118
Unironically self-identifying as a toaster will never be congruent to identifying as another real gender. Don't you dare compare someone who does the former to oppressed slaves.
Go lifen't, spurdo sparde.

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>>347100
Except no matter what the addiction is the signs tend to be the same with some give or take.

>Mental distress such as anxiety, depression, even means for a psychological episode.
>Physical dependency which can include flu like symptoms such as vomiting, increased body temperature, and diarrhea; even in some cases such as alcohol: death

From there a specialist on addiction can easily begin to compile a case that suits the needs of the individual.

Kind of like when you get an infection. The doctor isn't going to instantly just know what the heck is going on with your body like some kind of sci-fi high tech medical robot.

>Herp derp we already have influenza

And different strands of influenza can have extremely different effects on the body.

Besides, we already have certain treatments and specialists for more predominant addictions such as hoarding, eating disorder, alcoholism, heroin, and meth amphetamine abuse.

Not everything in the world is systematic, and the needs of a population can be arbitrary as much as that upsets you. Allow me to further clarify, while a the words for a "Cereal addiction" or "Banana addiction" Maybe recorded and properly named, much like how we have a professional word for almost every type of phobia. Don't expect to actually get anymore than an "Addiction specialist" if looking for help.
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>>347119
What if that person actually feels the distress of being a toaster in a human's body? Are you saying that their emotional state isn't as valid as that of a transgendered person?

If anything they have even less of a pool of people to turn to for solace, advice, or help.

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>>347119
>Unironically self-identifying as a toaster will never be congruent to identifying as another real gender.
I don't know enough about gender, but I don't think inanimate objects qualify as gender identities. I'm curious, how do you define a real gender?

>>347125
What's your point? Or rather, where is the contention?

Anonymous (ID: 42d3fc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  347147

>>347138
Self explanatory.

(ID: 433ded)Country code: ie, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347151

>>347138

There isn't really such a thing as a real gender, or at least not an easy binary. There are, however, sex hormones that we generally associate with the different sexes. Lots of androgens is common in males, you get the general idea. But it's not a binary, which is why you get stereotypes like butch lesbians and gay twinks, people who act contrary to their sexual stereotypes because while they are still their gender, their bodies and brains operate on different levels of hormones than most members of their sex.

Transgendered people happen when the balance between body and brain is thrown out of whack. So to simplify it greatly, let's say the brain is geared for 85% testosterone output and 25% estrogen output. But the body does the opposite of that. That's how you end up with someone feeling like they are "the wrong gender". Now, seeing as we can't really change the brain to match the body yet, the only real long-term solution is to try and make the body fit the brain.

Anyways, the terms male and female are really just human attempts at defining people as being on one side of that spectrum or the other. Making up more genders is hardly a scientific solution to the problem, but likely a result of people struggling to self-identify and not feeling like they fit into the expected stereotypes of those groups. Not malicious, but also not terribly helpful to anyone else, and certainly something that muddies the conversation a bit.

Anonymous (ID: 42d3fc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  347153

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>>347151

>Not binary

The entire study of human biology would like to have a discussion with you. Human beings have two sexes with hermaphrodites being a mix of the two.

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>>347153

I think you need to read the entirety of the post.

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>>347118
>And what's that supposed to mean?

It means that you're so concerned with the technicalities you don't know how shit works in practice. Yes, every single little problem having it's own specialized catagory would be great, except that people don't actually handle that well. When people see scientists labeling every single personality quirk as some kind of mental image, they're going to think, "These people have no idea what they're doing. They're just slapping a label on everything they see without even exploring it first." and when the public loses interest in what you're doing because they view it as a waste of time, no one is going to bother listening to you.

That's how people work. It's just a fact you need to take into consideration.

Anonymous (ID: e4174a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347222

>>347171
Maybe you should stop complaining about gay people throwing trans people under the bus then.

High School of The Dead - Best Friends Forever Scene (English)

Toybox(Professional Slut)!!Celestia (ID: 2c0904)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347226

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>>347222
The fuck are you getting this from?

Anonymous (ID: 30eb6b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347234

>>347226
I am unsure what you mean by that. Haven't you talked about gay people throwing trans people under the bus while posting that anime scene? Though I'm not entirely sure that was you...

Toybox(Professional Slut)!!Celestia (ID: 2c0904)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347235

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>>347234
No. At worst I said the LGBT movement is more LGB than T, and we're just along for the ride.

We get the table scraps of their victories.

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>>347171
None of this is an argument against you gatekeeping or not, it's just justifying it with a personal opinion.

>"These people have no idea what they're doing. They're just slapping a label on everything they see without even exploring it first."
That's literally what the meta study is doing, not categorizing it as a psychological disorder, but encouraging more research into the cause/effect relation.

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>>347238
Third party here. I can say without a doubt at this point that they are not gatekeeping and you're reaching to twist the definition to fit your own needs.

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>>347241
What part of advocating for not including more things into a category while dismissing the scientific community on the basis of an unfalsifiable opinion is not gatekeeping?

Toybox(Professional Slut)!!Celestia (ID: 2c0904)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347252

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>>347247
No one is doing that. You've made that up in your head and are defending it even though pretty much everyone here has told you that's not happening.

You're wrong. Just let it fucking go. Jesus.
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Ika's name (ID: 447e39)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  347258

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You guys are so biased against fox that you can't even understand the points he's making.

Anonymous (ID: e06bbb)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  347267

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>>347258
I have no bias against any named user here.

I just don't understand those said points.

>>347247
Except nobody has once said anything about limiting categories, rather simply that said categories are already covered under a broader one.

If you check the original posts here and here.

>>346449
>>346454

In response to the link provided by the OP, the original gatekeeping in question is that nobody takes mental health seriously most likely because it sounds outlandish to an outsider.

Now if she was gatekeeping what she would have said instead of "This is why no one takes mental health seriously."

It would have been worded more direct so. "This isn't even a real illness."

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>>347258
What is his point besides trying to lie about me again?

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