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Anonymous (ID: ce6768)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid:   333688[Last 50 Posts]

henlo /ef/~!

Maroon Auburn!QEUQfdPtTM (ID: 004f54)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333702

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>>333701

Still better than any of the threads Ika has put out recently that's for sure

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 79727f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333703

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>>333701
Hey mint can you do me a favor and not post here anymore? Sorry but I don't want your hateful ideology here. I'm tired of it, man.

You're driving people away

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 79727f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333704

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And if you don't I may need to use exutive power

(ID: dfd489)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333705

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>>333703
>>333704
Is he that bad? I'll admit I'm here only on an average of an hour per day, but as much as I find his views weird and stupid, I didn't see him actually foster a toxic environment, or attacking people or anything of the sort.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 79727f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333706

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>>333705
The current precedent for free speech is terrifying so yeah

(ID: dfd489)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333707

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>>333706
I don't quite understand what you imply.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: f9ed05)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333710

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>>333707
Free speech isn't free anymore

(ID: dfd489)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333714

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>>333710
Evidently.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: f9ed05)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333715

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>>333714
Yeah the 1st and 2nd amendments are being flushed down the toilet.

(ID: dfd489)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333717

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>>333715
This changes your stance towards Mint how?

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: f9ed05)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333718

>>333717
He holds nazi views

(ID: dfd489)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333719

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>>333718
I know.
But he is free to have his misguided viewpoint isn't he? Doesn't exactly call for "executive power" as long as he doesn't insult or harass people, or speak in behalf of violence or something.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: f9ed05)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333720

>>333719
I don't know is what is so scary

(ID: dfd489)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333721

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>>333720
Me neither, but innocent until proven guilty, right?

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: f9ed05)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333722

>>333721
You would think

Maroon Auburn!QEUQfdPtTM (ID: 72f43b)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333723

>>333719
>>333721

I mean if you know me you'll know I will always defend Mint. He's a great guy, provided you ignore the nazi stuff. Obviosuly I can never defend those views.. Or his vegan lifestyle.

Disgusting. But seriously, he is a good guy at heart and I will always defend him and belive he has a place here in our little community.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: aae440)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333724

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Wish we'd managed to get him to stop being a nazi. He was the first person on this website I actually managed to get to watch Aikatsu, and he's seen more episodes than all the others combined.

I don't understand how someone can live with so much cognitive dissonance.

(ID: dfd489)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333725

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>>333723
I see it about the same way you do.

>>333724
The other day I learned that 90% of the animu hotties I like lately are fanarts from a single anime: Fate Grand Order.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: aae440)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333726

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>>333725
Fate Grand Order is a mobile gacha RPG with characters from (I think?) the entire Fate series. That's another series I've been thinking of getting into at some point, mostly because I like Saber.

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/wiki/seriesfaq/fate#wiki_where_should_i_start.3F

(ID: dfd489)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333727

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>>333726
I like the purple haired girl with big tiddies and bigger claws. She's from that too right?

Edit: Minamoto somethingsomething is really nice too...
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Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: aae440)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333728

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>>333727
This is the only purple haired Fate girl I know of, and I don't remember her name.

(ID: dfd489)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333729

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>>333728
Passionlip is the name, I found out.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: f03709)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333730

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>>333715
Free speech doesn't mean you're obligated to watch as your friend are driven away and a community fall to shit.
It just the police dont get involved.

It a "we've been asking him to cut the shit for 8 months and he wont so now were telling him to beat it" issue.

No one has to put up with a never ending cyclical argument in almost every thread about nazism and Holocaust denial and racism and how our friends and family are sub human just because of "free speech", they can use their own free speech to tell the person they arnt welcome anymore.

Anonymous (ID: 5229bc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333732

we should've kept noonim. idc what anyone thinks

(ID: dfd489)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333733

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>>333732
Wasn't aware we kicked him out so to speak. It was nice having a back and forth about flat lizard chests.

Anonymous (ID: ce6768)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333734

>>333730
>>333703
>Hey mint can you do me a favor and not post here anymore? Sorry but I don't want your hateful ideology here. I'm tired of it, man.
If Mint promises he won't post about politics and politically-charged shit, what's wrong with letting him stay here and post about other things? Like, there wasn't anything wrong with his post >>333701 ?

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 708463)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333735

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>>333723
>>333724
If he kept his word to cut it out just once, it would be a different story.

But, how many times can he say "im just going to stop talking about it" then the next day we end up with
>
How many people need to be driven away or prevented from coming back because they are jewish, or black, or Hispanic, or simply just decent people who look at this shit and say "nah, fuck that place"?

Sorry, but im done with it and i dont think chance 1001 is going to be the time he "really does it".
So if he can ostracize users (and post about how thats how the world should be) constantly and get away with it then i have no qualms ostracizing him.

>>333719
>

(ID: dfd489)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333736

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>>333730
>>333734
>If Mint promises he won't post about politics and politically-charged shit, what's wrong with letting him stay here and post about other things?
I think he should be able to post politically too.
There's always the filter option...

(ID: dfd489)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333737

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>>333735
Well, that's getting dangerously close to advocating for violence/death/mass killing. I can see why you guys want him out in that case.

Anonymous (ID: 5229bc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333738

>>333735
>How many people need to be driven away or prevented from coming back because they are jewish, or black, or Hispanic, or simply just decent people who look at this shit and say "nah, fuck that place"?

This was the exact rationale thony had around the time he stepped down, started sperging out, and eventually got banned, and then instead of implementing a blanket zero-tolerance-for-politics policy, the administration kept milking the free speech plan anyway. Extremism may not be "good," but in some environments, if you allow politics at all, you can expect extremist opinions to be the ultimate outcome because that's nature taking its course in some cases.
Disallowing politics at all might've prevented this, or maybe not, idk. If we have a "political filter" option but no one's posting in the non-political threads anyway, it doesn't matter, because politics have drawn the attention of everyone important and made every other topic dead.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 708463)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333739

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>>333737
And that was hours after the 99th time he said "i promise to cool it down with this shit, you have my word"

So, yeah. How many times do we have to take his "word" for it, and do we wait till he gets worse?

Im not, sick of text walls about how my friends and family need to die, and the pseudo science to back it up, sick of watching users i like bail on this place.
So i have no problem letting him know i dont want him around anymore.

The only reason he is here in the first place was he got banned for posting a video of a guy being fucked to death by a horse on 4 chan, and thought it would be funny to "troll" pchan while he waited for the ban to expire.
Then we made the mistake of indulging his garbage for 8 months.
Im done doing it.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 708463)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333740

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>>333738
Obviously its really important because its hidden under 3 layers of anonymity.

Anonymous (ID: 5229bc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333741

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>>333740
Wouldn't be a feature were no one ever expected to use it.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 708463)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333742

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>>333741
I never said you couldn't use it.

Anonymous (ID: 5229bc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333744

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>>333742
Seemed like you cared an awful lot about it.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 708463)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333747

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>>333744
So?

Anyway, yeah it was a snide comment, sorry.

Regardless, if the rules allow for someone to post bullshit racist textwalls, then they allow for me to say how i feel about it and the people who post them.

If the rules allow for him to drive people away, then they allow for me to drive him away.

There is no philosophical conundrum.

(ID: dfd489)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333749

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>>333748
Support isn't the right word. That implies positivity.
Mine is more... that I support "live and let live", and if not applicable, "/ignore over /ban".
Besides that was before I saw the screenshot and some other thread. Honestly you've said you are okay with mass death of peoples, that is pretty fucking horrible and not only that, possibly illegal depending on how you push it.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: f9ed05)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333750

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>>333730
Nobody listens to me...

Why are you replying to me with this?
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Anonymous (ID: 5229bc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333751

>>333747
But the problem is those bullshit textwalls exist, whether or not they're opposed after they're posted, isn't it? We could disallow them entirely in good faith by disallowing any politics at all.
I could get behind censoring only extremist political speech in theory, but in practice what that's done in the past has just been to make people more frustrated that they're not allowed free reign to dominate someone else's spaces with their speech, and gives them a qewt little martyr card to play so they can look like the oppressed iconoclasts. All of that becomes irrelevant once you put a blanket ban on all political speech, though.

Political filters help no one because when political threads are the only ones the active posters are ever in, it sucks up the activity from everywhere else, and then what do you do? This cat-and-mouse of trying to calmly convince people to post less crazy crap isn't working, so why not a precedent that does?

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: f9ed05)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333752

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>>333748
I dont know anymoore, dude...

I'm sick of it

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 708463)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333754

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>>333750
It seemed like you were saying that telling this kid to pound sand was flushing free speech down the toilet.
I was just saying, that its still free speech to do so.
I maybe misunderstood your point.

>>333748

Dude, get lost. You have absolutely worn out your welcome.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: f9ed05)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333756

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>>333754
No, I'm saying people like him are a threat to our rights.

Which our rights have been being washed out as it is.

I don't want mint horse here

That's why I told him to leave

I am in no way defending him

I already told you personally I am upset that he is driving good people away.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 708463)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333758

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>>333756
Ah, i see what you mean now.
He absolutely is a threat to our rights, but only if we dont push back against it.

Just like the nazis before him.

Arguing logic has turned out to be fruitless, taking his "word for it" when he says he will stop turned out to be a mistake and lead to it happening even more, so imo, the only thing left to do it tell him to screw.

He has been given more chances than he should have ever expected.
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Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: f9ed05)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333759

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>>333758
Yeah that's all I mean.

I'm sick of seeing people being driven away.

I just found out a longtime friend of mine won't post anymore because of this shit.

I am a bit upset...

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333760

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>>333756
>>333758
a threat to whose rights, how, exactly?

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 708463)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333761

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>>333759
Welcome to the club.

>>333760
He advocates for fascism, thats a threat to everyones rights.

And not like gay fucking antifa proud boys slap boxing Twitter war name calling shit.
He advocates full government control, violent suppression, and actual pure fascsim.
Seems like a silly question tbh.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333762

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>>333761 This is the words-as-violence argument. It's not a good argument.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: f9ed05)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333763

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>>333760
8chan has been shut down entirely because of people like him.

It sets a terrifying precedent with the future of free speech

That and his ideals just in general are awful

>>333761
Been there for a while now.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 708463)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333764

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>>333762
No its the im sick of listening to his shit around here so im telling him to fuck off argument.

I know every fiber of your being is pushing you to make this some kind of political thing but it isnt.
He has the right to say what he is saying, we have the right to tell him to fuck off.
No philosophical quandary.
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!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333765

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>>333763 That's sensible.
>>333764 I mean, you can technically tell anyone to fuck off for any reason, or no reason at all. And I can technically disagree with your basis for doing so. So don't be surprised when I do.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 708463)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333767

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>>333765
Im never surprised when you do.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: f9ed05)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333768

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>>333765
I'm just tired of all this stuff...

Chewy (ID: 9a5f88)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333769

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ban Mint tbh

Anonymous (ID: 63729e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333770

>>333762
>This is the words-as-violence argument.
I think the claim is that Mint as a person is a danger to our rights, because he would help a fascist government come to power (not just with his words, but with actions IRL).

Mint horse (ID: 69ae12)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333772

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>>333749
>Support isn't the right word.
I meant that you supported my right to speak, not necessarily what I said.

>>333752
8chan is supposed to come back any day now. I’ll just leave this site for a week and fuck of to there. We’ll see how everyone feels in a week I guess.

To be honest I don’t want to post somewhere where no one wants me, and the fact that I actually drive people away has really started to bother me. I had no idea any of this was a thing until like a week ago.

See you next Tuesday.

My Discord just in case anyone wants to contact me, Mint horse#9976

>>333754
You win.

>>333759
>I just found out a longtime friend of mine won't post anymore because of this shit.
Why didn’t they just hide me and my posts?

>>333762
I kind of see his point.
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Anonymous (ID: 63729e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333773

>>333769
I disagree that Mint should just be straight-up banned. He should be warned that talking about his fascist views anymore will get him banned (which I think pretty much just happened ITT), and then banned iff he fails to heed that warning.

(Yes, Mint said many times that he was going to stop, but now he has an actual threat of getting banned if he fails to live up to it.)

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: f9ed05)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333774

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Honestly I hate to see people not get along and all of this. It pains me. I just want to people to be happy and live their lives happily.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 708463)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333775

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>>333774
We all want a perfect world.

In the meantime, we deal with the one we've got.

Anonymous (ID: 5229bc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333776

>>333774
i kinda do too

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: f9ed05)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333777

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>>333772
I don't care that 8chan is down and I hope it stays down.

It was garbage and will always be garbage.

I never used it.

I just worry of the future.

>>333775
Yeah I know...

>>333776
Good.

Anonymous (ID: 63729e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333779

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>>333777
>I don't care that 8chan is down and I hope it stays down.
>
>It was garbage and will always be garbage.
It had some good boards. I liked /bane/. And I've heard that /tg/ was good too. (Of coursh /pol/ was a cesspool.)


Also, nice sevens!
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vynn (ID: fe07fe)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333780

>>333779
Bring back /monster/

Anonymous (ID: 5229bc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333781

>>333779
Even frickin 4chan is so tainted that /4pol/ content is all over virtually every board, even [s4s]. Wth. [s4s] is filled with polshit. It's a contagion.

Chewy!MUSIC.FbVY (ID: 9a5f88)Country code: bug.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333784

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>>333762
le tolerate my intolerance

Anonymous (ID: 716a4b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333805

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>>333779
>nice sevens!
Witnessed.

My two favorite boards are /pone/ and /miku/. Neither board had much if any /pol/ over spill and I really miss both boards enough to keep cheering to see at least those parts of the chan survive.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: aae440)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333808

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>>333748
>I don’t see how my views have anything to do with the kind of anime I like.
Those two statements were separate. The cognitive dissonance is between your views and some of your other values.

Logically, you can't be a nazi and be on good terms with trans people or immigrants. I'm both of those things, yet you try your hardest anyway. The ideology you espouse says people like me are a poison to society and should be killed, yet you want to be my friend and are friendly toward me. Why? How? Do you just shut off the pertinent nazi parts of your brain when you talk to me?

>>333732
Noonim left of his own volition.

Chewy (ID: c4e65d)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333809

>>333732
lmao, no

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 41e688)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333812

>>333808
He said he was going, asking him more questions is just baiting at this point.

Maybe someday he will get it, but i dont think it will be today.

Anonymous (ID: 63729e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333819

>>333812
>He said he was going
>>333808
Mint put his Discord username in >>333772 if you'd like to ask him there: Mint horse#9976

And yeah, Mint has large disconnect between his abstract political philosophy and how he actually does in practice.
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!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333829

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>>333767
>waits patiently
>>333768 can't blame you
>>333770 Given that there is a zero percent chance of Mint's "advocacy" having any effect, you can make the same slippery slope case against anyone for any reason. If we're going that route, I'd very much like to see all the communists and Antifa apologists banned from the site as well - thanks in advance.
>>333772 I don't have to agree with you, but I still defend your right to speak your mind.

Anonymous (ID: 63729e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333833

>>333829
>banned from the site as well
I don't think it's a good reason for banning Mint but I do think it is a valid reason for personally disliking Mint and being upset at him.
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!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333840

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>>333833 That's fair.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!MSNowBALLk (ID: 6bb22b)Country code: canadian-red-ensign.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333841

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I am of the opinion that this was the right choice, for what it's worth.

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>>333735
>>333737
Mint did seem a bit too indifferent to killing large numbers of attempted illegal immigrants, but I do think that a nation should be able to use deadly force to protect the integrity of its borders if the intending illegal immigrants refuse to heed warnings to turn around and there's not a feasible way of denying them entry more humanely.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: aae440)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333855

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Anonymous (ID: 63729e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333859

>>333855
Things like nations, democracy, human rights, and the rule of law are all abstractions but very useful ones. Anarachy isn't very nice in practice.

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>>333859
Neither is murdering a human being for no other "crime" than crossing an imaginary line. If you truly believe the integrity of borders is more sacrosanct than human life, then I'm not the one who's had too much kool-aid.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 41e688)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333866

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>>333863
I can level with people who say people who are here undocumented should be deported, as that is the whole point of national borders.
But yeah, this whole "they are invaders" and "we need to use deadly force to stop them at the gates" bullshit is just that, bullshit.

We dont even use capital punishment for child abusers and murderers, but for some reason killing unarmed people who walked too far is a-okay in some peoples eyes.
Messed up.

Anonymous (ID: 63729e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333872

>>333863
>Neither is murdering a human being for no other "crime" than crossing an imaginary line.
Like I said in my earlier post, I think the use of deadly force should be used only if they are warned to turn around and refuse to heed the warning. If the authorities point guns at you and say "This is a controlled area, turn around and leave", and you disobey and cross the line, what can be expected to happen? And also, like I said above, I think deadly force should only be used when arresting them with lesser force is infeasible. And I think this would be rare in practice.

>>333866
>We dont even use capital punishment for child abusers and murderers
Hey now, I don't support capital punishment for illegal border crossing. Deadly force is allowed to prevent an imminent murder or rape.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333874

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The border needs more landmines.
Mark it well. Cross at your own risk. No one's responsible for your would-be suicide but you.

Anonymous (ID: 63729e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333875

>>333874
I've heard that the gold depository at Fort Knox is surrounded by landmines. I wonder if this is true.

Anonymous (ID: 5229bc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333878

>>333859
I question the usefulness of a construct that makes it ever so slightly harder for an angel like hisp to get into this place and out of the disintegrating hellhole he's in, to be perfectly honest.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333880

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>>333875 hmmm. I'd be very surprised if that were the case.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 41e688)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333882

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>>333874
Good, that way when we need to escape do to hardship, political oppression, natural disasters or war, we cant.
Great plan.

Or hell, some kid who cant read could die.
You know the border cuts through neighborhoods right? Im sure you took all these things into account when coming up with that most intricate plan and decided "some guy being kept out of my country is worth it".

As luck would have it, not enough people are that dense, so i dont think it will ever even be an issue, unless I move to south sudan or something.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333884

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>>333882 Instead of escaping hardship, political oppression, natural disasters, or war, why not confront and deal with the problems?

Acceptable losses. If getting to the mines requires a real, conscious effort, e.g. clearing one of the 3 existing, extremely difficult to cross rows of fences, then you really have no one to blame but yourself if your ass gets disintegrated.

Anonymous (ID: 63729e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333885

>>333878
Personally I think the US should help the people of Venezuela liberate themselves from dictator Maduro.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 41e688)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333887

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>>333884
<Or hell, some kid who cant read could die.
>Acceptable losses.

You've proven to me you aren't worth having the conversation with.
But i will say, if your place ever becomes unlivable do to a massive hurricane, earthquake or bombing, my sympathy will extend as far as "dude, you better stay there and confront the problem".

Again, its nice that "uhhh, we should do a landmines" isnt what a normal person would ever consider.

Edit:
Keep in mind, these mines would be on our side, so Americans being killed is what you are calling "acceptable losses".
Again, your really thinkin'
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!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333888

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>>333887
>But i will say, if your place ever becomes unlivable do to a massive hurricane, earthquake or bombing, my sympathy will extend as far as "dude, you better stay there and confront the problem".
I'm originally from Oklahoma. That's literally what we do.

>Keep in mind, these mines would be on our side, so Americans being killed is what you are calling "acceptable losses".

Some part of "between the difficult to scale fences that no one should be scaling in the first place" didn't sink in apparently.
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>>333888
Again, kids and texas being exploded by landmines is "accepted losses" to you.
I wont gain anything of value from this conversation.

Except for the knowledge that you've put literally no thought into this.
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!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333890

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>>333889 I don't think you understand how landmines work. But ok, if you say so.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 41e688)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333891

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>>333890
Regardless, you said that hypothetical would be acceptable.

But please, im interested, how do "landmines" work?

I assume you mean anti personal mines, because it would be kind of pointless to use anti equipment mines between a wall and an "unclimbable" fence.

While your at it, explain to me why its okay for the government to take private land and tear down peoples houses to put in landmines.

vynn (ID: d825dd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333893

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Yikes

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 41e688)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333894

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>>333893
Hold on, i think we are about to find out how Mexican seeking landmines work.

Or Canadian, i assume he must mean both sides, since he always says he means all illegal immigrants equally.

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>>333866
Bewildering that this is even a discussion to be had at all, honestly.

>>333872
>Like I said in my earlier post, I think the use of deadly force should be used only if they are warned to turn around and refuse to heed the warning
Okay, let me amend my statement then, since you insist on being pedantic: for no other "crime" than crossing an imaginary line even after being threatened with violence.

Is it legal for a cop to shoot a homeless man for refusing to get off a park bench in the middle of the night? Is it legal to shoot an unarmed person for standing on your lawn? If it is, don't answer that, I don't need any more blackpills.

>Deadly force is allowed to prevent an imminent murder or rape.

Yeah, because those are actual violent crimes, not just "being somewhere you're not supposed to be" crimes. Illegally crossing a border isn't even on the same level as theft.

>>333884
>Instead of escaping hardship, political oppression, natural disasters, or war, why not confront and deal with the problems?
"Yes honey, don't break up with your abusive boyfriend. I'm sure you two can make it work."

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: aae440)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333906

>let's put landmines around the border so people literally die if they try to cross it and we can call it suicide
And here I thought a wall was medieval.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!MSNowBALLk (ID: 6bb22b)Country code: canadian-red-ensign.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333914

>Is it legal for a cop to shoot a homeless man for refusing to get off a park bench in the middle of the night? Is it legal to shoot an unarmed person for standing on your lawn?

I doubt it. There's a law about escalation of force, IIRC.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 41e688)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333916

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>>333900
>Bewildering that this is even a discussion to be had at all, honestly.
Honestly, at this point, text walls about the IQ and genetics of the immigrants, ethnostates and whether or not they are vegans being brought up as counter points is a win in my book.

You have to appreciate the little things.

☲ Prince Ember Storm!MSNowBALLk (ID: 6bb22b)Country code: canadian-red-ensign.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333917

>>333916
That raises a question.

Is veganism legal, and can we shoot vegans with filet mignon out of an air cannon if it is not?

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 41e688)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333919

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⛵☎!XSAILBoatg (ID: 72f33a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333951

>>333891 1) you seem to think that random kids who don't know English, Spanish, and don't understand the meaning of a skull symbol, can somehow make it over a 10 foot high fence topped with razor wire and ' accidentally' end up in the proximity of a mine. At the point you are in the proximity of one of these hypothetical mines, there is no accident, and you have forfeited your own life. Just as when a military base posts signs that deadly force may be used against unauthorized entries, this is no different. If you don't want to risk being blown to bits, don't cross the fence. You know the risks.
2) this requires no additional land as the lands necessary for a triple layer fence is being appropriated regardless of mines.
3) if the consequences are clearly indicated, and a hypothetical simpleton won't be able to get past the first fence regardless, then your entire argument falls apart.
4) the purpose of the mines is to discourage people from even trying to cross, because simply detaining and deporting so people can try, try again, clearly isn't deterrent enough. If a few people get blown up in the process, given that they know there are mines and they might die, that is an acceptable loss and will deter others who would otherwise see no downside whatsoever. If they don't want to get blowed up, they shouldn't attempt to cross.
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>>333900
>Yeah, because those are actual violent crimes, not just "being somewhere you're not supposed to be" crimes
Where I live, deadly force may lawfully be used against those breaking into a home. Breaking into a country isn't all that different. And again, this is largely theoretical. Like if a large group of migrants tried to overwhelm the Border Patrol agents. I'm not talking about sniping a single family of illegals as they cross the border -- that would be immoral IMHO.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 41e688)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333953

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>>333951
So the "I don't think you understand how landmines work. But ok, if you say so." Comment was just snide fluff then?

No civil engineer ever, and no government in its right mind, would waste time, money, resources, and human lives on a 7500 mile mine field to fix what is essentially a complete non issue and political football talking point.
At first i thought you were being hyperbolic, but you're putting up quite an argument for this comic book tier idea of yours.
If you want to live in a country that has land mines surrounding it, i suggest you emigrate to north korea where the ideas of a 6 year old might be taken seriously, the adults can stay in the united states and not poison our land and waste our resources on compleat lunacy.

Snowbell (ID: 314625)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333960

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>>333953
>No civil engineer ever, and no government in its right mind, would waste time, money, resources, and human lives on a 7500 mile mine field to fix what is essentially a complete non issue and political football talking point.

I dunno, that sounds like fun to me...

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 41e688)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333962

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One civil engineer might.

⛵☎!XSAILBoatg (ID: 72f33a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333964

>>333953 well you seem to think the optimal place for landmines is in random people's yards, rather than as part of the border fence apparatus.

The question you have to answer, if you are not prepared to use deadly force, is how many millions or billions of dollars is one life worth? I am simply being pragmatic, rather than deferring to the use of unreasonable accounts of resources for the benefit of those who have no regard for our laws.

Is one person dying to a landmine worse than one person dying in the desert? What if that one person dying to a landmine prevents 10 future deaths in the desert? What if it prevents 50000 people from crossing the border? This is the calculation I am making.
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>>333964
>well you seem to think the optimal place for landmines is in random people's yards, rather than as part of the border fence apparatus.
Id like for you to point to the post where i argued that landmines belong anywhere.
I think thats just saying i said something i didnt to make my argument seem worse by comparison.
There is probably a name for that, i just call it grasping at straws.

To be honest, i think you know how ridiculous this landmine idea is, but you feel compelled to defend it.
So im going to bed.
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⛵☎!XSAILBoatg (ID: 72f33a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333966

>>333965
>Id like for tou to point to the post where i argued that landmines belong anywhere.
I mean, according to your clever wording there, I clearly can't. But this is you're strawman:

>>333889
>Again, kids and texas being exploded by landmines is "accepted losses" to you.

Which assumes there are just random landmines lying around in places kids can get to.

Anonymous (ID: 716a4b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334027

>>333863
I want to say this as politely as I can. You really need to do a bit of research on national sovereignty and how far many nations other than the US take their rights to enforce their laws.

Do a keyword search on Mexico and immigration. If you think the US is hard on people wanting to become legal immigrants, look at what Mexico wants from anyone who dares to think they'll become Mexican!

Another fact is that nations can and do regulate immigration. Do some reading on how Australia used to plead for people to move there in the 1950's and '60. Now they've hit peak population, along with New Zealand. Only the very wealthy can buy citizenship, which is pretty much how the game is played now.

We'll wait for you to do your research.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 41e688)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334030

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>>334027
So?
The US is a sovereign nation and can regulate it immigration as it sees fit.
Saying what other countries do is hardly an argument, its for sure not persuading.
Saying that the congo does something isnt a reason for the citizens of a completely different country need to live by that standard.

Id like to think that the US is better than undeveloped countries, im not for open borders by any means, but this notion of landmines and firing squads at the border like one is barbaric, pointless, and completely overkill for a situation that is hardly a problem to begin with.
Go live in one of the countries you mentioned if what they do is somehow the standard you think the US should be held to, and what they do is somehow definitive to what the US should be doing.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 03230f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334031

>>334027
Yes, the correct standard by which to judge normalcy for the US, is Mexico.

Good thinking.

Anonymous (ID: 716a4b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334038

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>>334030
>Saying what other countries do is hardly an argument, its for sure not persuading.
Not big on double standards, are you?
It matters more than you care to admit. It goes far beyond persuasion. It is the legal basis for insuring civilizations have a right to protect themselves.

There is no such thing as a good open border, especially in an era of massive overpopulation and dramatic social upheaval. You agree with the basis of the idea being bad. You don't seem to want to face the reasons why.

What can you do for a crush of immigration when you can't cope with the poverty and homelessness of people born within the United States? Let's take a bike ride somewhere near Santa Ana, CA. and see how things are going for people who were born here but lost their place in society.

Riding through the Homeless Camps in Anaheim California on the Santa Ana River Trail

Cycling through Homeless Camps on Santa Ana River Bike Trail in Orange County California

Homeless People in Anaheim, California or Third World Country?

Welcome to the front row of the decline and fall of the US.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 03230f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334044

>>334038
You seriously can't debate border policy with MK without resorting to open borders strawmanning?

Yeah MK wants open borders. Brilliant argument, there. He doesn't.

Anonymous (ID: 716a4b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334045

>>334044
Wasted dubs.

Please read all of what I wrote rather than type before you realize what I wrote. It works better that way.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 41e688)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334046

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>>334038
Yikes.

Read: >>334030
>im not for open borders by any means, but this notion of landmines and firing squads at the border like one is barbaric, pointless, and completely overkill for a situation that is hardly a problem to begin with.

If you think not killing people over a misdemeanor crime is somehow a precedent against an individuals right for self defense, then i guess doing so sets a precedent that deadly force can and should be used when confronting a jay walker.

Its a fallacy argument you are making, but i welcome you to find me one legal case where an immigration policy of not killing people on site or indiscriminately had any precedent in self defence.

We'll wait for you to do research.
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a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 03230f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334060

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>>334045
>writes textwall accusing MK of supporting open borders

>thinks im gonna read it


I dont get paid to shitpost, or read things longer than my penis.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 03230f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334062

>>334046
> deadly force can and should be used when confronting a jay walker

Its the only way theyre gonna learn.

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>>334038
>see how things are going for people who were born here but lost their place in society.

<but gave up their place in society


FIFY.
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Anonymous (ID: 63729e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334107

>>334030
>firing squads at the border
I don't think anyone ITT has suggested that?

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 03230f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334115

>>334107
I think MK is suggesting it now.

He's just trying to sell bullets.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334124

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>>334030 Do you think people have the right to defend their homes and property from intruders with deadly force? Does this not extend to countries as a whole? If not, do you take issue with military bases using deadly force against trespassers who have blatantly disregarded warning signage, etc.?

If someone puts a sign on their fence that "trespassers will be shot" does that infringe on people's rights to trespass on that person's property? clearly not, unless you think trespassing is a human right, and whether or not deadly force is used is irrelevant if no one trespasses. What if instead of "trespassers will be shot" it said "caution: landmines" - is that any different? The sentiment is the same in both cases - a person is stating the use deadly force as a deterrent to trespassers. The purpose is not to kill trespassers - the purpose is to prevent trespassing. If someone comes across this property, and decides to trespass anyway, and then dies, is that anyone's fault besides the trespasser's? How does this logic not extend to nations as a whole?

The point is, even your firing squad example is completely justified. Because the point of the firing squad stationed on the border is not to necessarily kill people, but to serve as a clear statement that "if you trespass, you run the risk of being shot". The same goes for landmines. If no one trespasses, then no one gets shot or blown up. It's that simple.

The only ridiculous counterargument to this is that you apparently think people have a right to trespass with impunity. Why do I say impunity? because what happens to people who get caught crossing our border? they waste our manhours and our resources and our money - which means we effectively punish the USA for someone else's trespassing. In the end, they get returned to their country of origin, and we foot the bill.

So again I ask, what is one life worth? If a few idiots call the bluff that they won't get blowed the fuck up, and they get blowed the fuck up, is that really a bad thing - especially if it prevents others from attempting it - because failure now has a tangible downside (possible death) instead of the current downside (no downside at all)? If each border jumper costs us tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in direct plus ancillary resources to deal with, at what point does one idiot committing suicide equal out to the costs saved by others not making the attempt?

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 41e688)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334169

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>>334124
Your world view is very black and white and simplistic.
A house, a country, and a military base are different things, with different purposes and require different levels of security for different reasons against different threats at different times.
So to say "well, if you cant shoot someone dead for a misdemeanor crime, why even protect nuclear weapons with security then?" is short sighted and juvenile imo.
I understand that you dont see value in a single human life, you have made that case clear on this, and other topics and in personal musings, so trying to convince you otherwise would be pointless, but no, i dont think there is a tangible relationship between the simplified scenarios of county=house=military base you pose, and i don't think crossing the border in of itself is a crime worth killing unarmed peoples indiscriminately over.
You've also a habit of, once you make a point, defending it till the end, regardless of what road it leads down, which i find frustrating.

I find your "we should build a minefield on our border" idea completely idiotic, un thought through, and contradictory to your small government viewpoint, and completely against basic western values.
I find your defence of lethal force argument in the case of this situation barbaric, and i find both arguments cartoonishly simple, and on par with militant 3rd world solutions to developed western nation problems.

I dont find this conversation with you to be a good use of time, so expect slow responces, if any.
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!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334283

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>>334169 The principle of trespassing doesn't change based on the size or type of area being trespassed upon. If you refuse to provide an actual deterrent against trespassing, and precedent shows that there is no actual punishment for trespassing, then don't be surprised when the trespassing continues unabated. This is true whether it's your house/property, the country as a whole, or a military installation.
Mines are much cheaper and easier to maintain than many tens of thousands of employees and dozens of detention centers, the demands of the supplementary legal systems, and the extended support systems required, making it perfectly consistent with a smaller government ideal.
>you dont see value in a single human life
Like I said, my argument is a pragmatic one, and I do see value in a single human life, which I overvalue at $100,000,000. If one death, by someone foolish enough to walk into a minefield, saves the nation over $100,000,000 as a result of others choosing not to attempt it, then I consider that a win. Given the billions of dollars currently spent on border security, it would be quite easy to come out ahead in this equation.
>completely against basic western values
more buzzwords. Defending what is yours with deadly force is perfectly in line with Western values.
Your argument boils down to: you don't like my tone. I don't care if you like my tone or not. Please make an actual argument if you have one.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: bcffd4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334286

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>>334283
I've read the word "pragmatic" in like, at least 4 separate posts today, and then you're accusing me of using the idea of western philosophy as a buzzword?

Regardless,
>The principle of trespassing doesn't change based on the size or type of area being trespassed upon.
if your so full of "pragmatism" surely you understand that a top secret military base, and a keep off the grass sign are different situations that require different levels of enforcement, and that not all trespassing requires enforcement by lethal force.
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!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334289

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>>334286 You haven't provided an example of how anything I've said is inconsistent with Western philosophy, making reference to it nothing more than a buzzword. The fact that mines are used elsewhere in the world has nothing to do with Western philosophy and everything to do with their effectiveness as a deterrent.
>require different levels of enforcement, and that not all trespassing requires enforcement by lethal force.
What does it require, exactly? In principle, it requires as little or as much enforcement as you choose to put into it. But if we are being pragmatic, then we have to meter preventative enforcement to the prevented would-be crime and its effects. Shooting someone for stepping on the grass in our world makes no sense. However, shooting someone for stepping on the grass makes sense in a world where stepping on the grass has some later, disproportionately large consequence. Sneaking across the border does have a later, disproportionately large consequence. Coming across the border illegally isn't just a misdemeanor (as people here seem to think); it's also a massive burden on our nation. Hence using lethal, preventative force, is entirely justified.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: bcffd4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334290

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>>334289
The idea of killing indiscriminately without do process i would say is against western philosophy, for sure.
So to base the nations immigration enforcement policy on it, seems rather counter to that point.

>Coming across the border illegally isn't just a misdemeanor (as people here seem to think)

Okay
>To be clear, the most common crime associated with illegal immigration is likely improper entry. Under federal criminal law, it is misdemeanor for an alien (i.e., a non-citizen) to:
>Enter or attempt to enter the United States at any time or place other than designated by immigration officers;
>Elude examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
>Attempt to enter or obtain entry to the United States by willfully concealing, falsifying, or misrepresenting material facts.
>The punishment under this federal law is no more than six months of incarceration and up to $250 in civil penalties for each illegal entry.
https://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014/07/is-illegal-immigration-a-crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence.html
And here is the actual law
https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-8-aliens-and-nationality/8-usc-sect-1325.html
Its a misdemeanor.
>Shooting someone for stepping on the grass in our world makes no sense. However, shooting someone for stepping on the grass makes sense in a world where stepping on the grass has some later, disproportionately large consequence.
A consequence that our legislative system has decided and our judicial system has upheld, in the case of illegal immigration, is punishable by no more than a $250 fine, and no more than 6 months in prison. Not death.

So it turns out "some people seem to think" correctly, and your talking out of your ass.
Which, doesn't give me much reason to assume your the one with a good grasp on immigration, and for sure not the one who should be deciding what level of force is required in its enforcement.

Also,
>But if we are being pragmatic, then we have to meter preventative enforcement to the prevented would-be crime and its effects.
But
>The principle of trespassing doesn't change based on the size or type of area being trespassed upon.
So on the one hand your saying that the idea of trespassing is static and the application and level of enforcement should be applied the same across the board, so if lethal force can be applied in one area, it can be in all areas.
On the other hand, your saying that the repracussions of the action should be considered when gageing the level of enforcement.

Really, i dont think you have a grasp of what your talking about, and your more interested in saying snide comments than having a discussion, which was my initial impression.

If you just want to play word chess, and say stuff like
"Im being super pragmatic and your not even making an argument, so hah!"
find someone else to do it with.
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Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: aae440)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334291

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>when you're a "libertarian" but think extrajudicial killing carried out by the state would be fine as long as it's against those darn illegals
You hate to see it

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334293

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>>334290
>The idea of killing indiscriminately without do process i would say is against western philosophy, for sure.
It isn't indiscriminate. In fact, it's quite discriminate - the opposite of indiscriminate. No one is forcing people to enter well-marked, would-be minefields against their will. Apparently you're imagining some sort of homing mine that people just get randomly exploded by through no fault of their own. But go on, continue arguing against strawmen.
>Its a misdemeanor.
Clearly you don't understand simple English. I am saying that in addition to being a misdemeanor, it causes additional problems for the US that are way worse than the technical crime itself, so much so that calling it just a misdemeanor is disingenuous. How is putting in someone in jail for 6 months, at our expense, a good solution? How is fining someone $250, who is never going to pay it, a good solution? How is spending tens of thousands of dollars on legal fees, based on someone who shouldn't be here in the first place, a good solution? Go on, let's hear your solutions...
>A consequence that our legislative system has decided and our judicial system has upheld, in the case of illegal immigration, is punishable by no more than a $250 fine, and no more than 6 months in prison. Not death.
You also don't understand what "preventative" means.
>So it turns out "some people seem to think" correctly, and your talking out of your ass.
I'm sorry that you're too stupid to argue with. It's unfortunate, really.
>Which, doesn't give me much reason to assume your the one with a good grasp on immigration, and for sure not the one who should be deciding what level of force is required in its enforcement.
You have presented exactly zero arguments. But go on, your feelings on the issue are clearly more important than the facts of the situation.

>So on the one hand your saying that the idea of trespassing is static and the application and level of enforcement should be applied the same across the board,

correction: can be, in principle
>so if lethal force can be applied in one area, it can be in all areas.
>On the other hand, your saying that the repracussions of the action should be considered when gageing the level of enforcement.
Yes, there is a difference between principle and pragmatic solutions. Learn to English.

>If you just want to play word chess, and say stuff like

>"Im being super pragmatic and your not even making an argument, so hah!"
>find someone else to do it with.
Yet you're still here making non-arguments. Pat yourself on the back for a job well done - that job being typing words that say nothing.

>>334291
>>when you're a "libertarian" but think extrajudicial killing carried out by the state would be fine as long as it's against those darn illegals
I believe in the right to suicide, including the right of people to walk into well-marked minefields if people so choose.
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Anonymous (ID: 82db86)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334294

>>334293
>apparently you're imagining homing mines
and
>keep arguing against strawmen
in adjacent sentences

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: aae440)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334295

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>>334293
Fill your front yard with land mines and put a bunch of signs saying "caution: mine field". See how that goes over when you blow up the neighborhood kids.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334297

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>>334294 There's no other way to explain his assertion that people who aren't trying to cross the border (i.e. by no fault of their own) would be killed by mines - like this is something just happening out of the blue.
>>334295 In principle, it's their own fault, but there are laws against so-called booby traps on private property. The border fence is not private property.
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Anonymous (ID: 82db86)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334298

>>334297
But it is still a concept that you dreamt up. Therefore, it is your strawman.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: bcffd4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334299

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>>334293
And apparently you dont know how to write simple English.
Your "pragmatic librarian" idea that trespassing has static enforcement levels, so a military base and a lawn are on the same level, and that "it isnt just a misdemeanor" just because you personally dont like the estimated cost financially of illegal entry and think its worth death as a deterrent; doesn't change the fact that it is by law just a misdemeanor, and a misdemeanor crime is not punished with death, and death isnt used as a deterrent for misdemeanor crimes.

And since the law is quite clear on the punishment for entering the country illegally and the punishment prescribed doesn't include any extrajudicial killing, i would say you dont have a leg to stand on. Also it kind of puts a dent in your "law and order" arguments in favor of detention centers.

If your not happy that the laws enforcing illegal entry dont include slaughter of unarmed people, advocate for changing that law, thats your first hurdle. Dont spew nonsense about landmines, and then say "well laws need to be upheld" when it comes to something else just because it works in your favor.

Anonymous (ID: 5229bc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334301

every monument i pee on is my private property

gg no re

Anonymous (ID: ce6768)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334309

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Something about this thread reminds me of ancap memes.

Anonymous (ID: ce6768)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334310

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Anonymous (ID: ce6768)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334325

>>334290
>A consequence that our legislative system has decided and our judicial system has upheld, in the case of illegal immigration, is punishable by no more than a $250 fine, and no more than 6 months in prison. Not death.
Well to be fair, the penalty for trespassing on a military base is also only 6 months in prison (18 U.S. Code § 1382), but deadly force can still be deployed if necessary to keep out tresspassers. (Of course deadly force is hardly ever necessary nowadays.)

⛵☎!XSAILBoatg (ID: 10dedf)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334337

>>334299 see >>334325
>librarian
got a good chuckle out of that one...

You literally don't understand the meaning of the word deterrent. A deterrent isn't a punishment for having committed a crime - it is something to prevent you from committing the crime in the first place. I.e. something that deters. The punishment for what it is deterring is completely irrelevant - misdemeanor or otherwise. Hence why if you blow yourself up on a well-marked mine, you have only yourself to blame.

>>334298 how is the argument against a situation I never put forward, but he is arguing against anyway, somehow my strawman, exactly?
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Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 4ec72e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334339

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>>334325
Fair enough.
Im not making the argument that border patrol shouldn't have firearms, and im not making the argument that they shouldn't deploy them in a justified manor congruent to the law.
What im arguing is a shoot on sight policy and landmines being deployed along the border is laughable.

Never mind all the arguments already made, we haven't even talked about the hazards of deployment, the fact that maintenance to said wall would be severally hindered, the fact that animals might be setting these things off, the billions of additional dollars needed to construct and maintain said minefield, the international ramifications of souring thousands of miles of land with mines and a policy of indiscriminate death, the fact that people might be setting these things off intentionally to damage this wall... Ect.
Edit:
Also, the strategic insanity of walling yourself in with mines.
Edit2:
The fact that we arnt on terms of war with mexico and could in the future have a much closer relationship.

And i know one thing out of that list will be cherry picked, but the point is "lets do a landmines" hasn't at all proven to be a well thought out statement and is ridiculous, legally, morally, philosophically and logistically.

Like i said, the idea is cartoonishly idiotic.

>>334337
Ha, auto correct.

Clearly you dont think farther than one step ahead.
I dont think your stupid on the whole, but this is certainly a stupid thing to argue for.
See above.

I think you just said a thing without thinking about it, and then it just snowballed from there.
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Anonymous (ID: b85a92)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334365

>>334337
Because he's arguing against a situation that is a probable outcome of what you put forward, and you're attempting to make it look improbable, and to do that you came up with a "homing mines" strawman.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 511507)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334371

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>>334365
Is strawman the word i was looking for here >>333965 ?

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334372

>>334339
>Clearly you dont think farther than one step ahead.
I've considered this forwards, backwards, and side to side. The current situation at its core is the result of 2 things: 1) an incredible number of incentives for people to attempt illegal entry and 2) negligible downsides to either trying or getting caught. Landmines correct the second part of that, by shifting the situation from one with no tangible downsides to one with massive potential downsides, so much so that it would deter people from even trying.

>What im arguing is a shoot on sight policy and landmines being deployed along the border

I am not arguing for a shoot on sight policy, though such a policy is also perfectly justified, if it is clear that such a policy is in place. Israel has exactly this sort of policy, and if people die at the borders in this way, its because they have chosen to dismiss the warnings. There is nothing immoral about this. Saying "if you do this, this will happen to you" and then you do "this", you have yourself to blame when the consequences hit you at 900m/s.
>is laughable.
This is also not an argument.

>we haven't even talked about the hazards of deployment,

go on.
>the fact that maintenance to said wall would be severally hindered,
would it? A triple layer fence, with 2 ground layers in between, can't have one of those inner layers devoted to mines? Why not? You could get to every part of the fence in such a scenario: the outer 2 walls from the outer contained section of ground, and the innermost section from the inside of the fence.
>the fact that animals might be setting these things off,
If we're assuming that humans can't easily burrow directly under the fence, then it's unreasonable to assume something like a coyote could, either. So that leaves... birds? gophers? small rodents? Can these set off mines? I wouldn't think they'd be heavy enough, but feel free to prove me wrong, as you're the one making this claim.
>the billions of additional dollars needed to construct and maintain said minefield,
1) mines are cheap. really fucking cheap.
2) Any additional costs have to be compared to savings made elsewhere.
>the international ramifications of souring thousands of miles of land with mines
which would be....?
>and a policy of indiscriminate death
As I said before, it's not indiscriminate, by any definition.
>the fact that people might be setting these things off intentionally to damage this wall...
Possible, though unlikely to offset the benefits.
>Ect.
convincing

>Also, the strategic insanity of walling yourself in with mines.

Are we going to be invading Mexico any time soon?
>The fact that we arnt on terms of war with mexico and could in the future have a much closer relationship.
This has nothing to do with preventing unauthorized entries.

>And i know one thing out of that list will be cherry picked,

I addressed all of them, actually.
>but the point is "lets do a landmines" hasn't at all proven to be a well thought out statement
see above
>and is ridiculous,
opinion
>legally,
how is it illegal for the military to use landmines, exactly?
>morally,
you haven't demonstrated that it is in any way immoral, except that you don't understand the difference between "deterrent" and "punishment" and use them interchangeably
>philosophically
the philosophy of landmines? as I said, I am approaching this from a pragmatic standpoint. If landmines save $100M times the number of people killed, then I consider that a win, especially since anyone killed is practically begging for a Darwin Award.
>logistically.
it's actually quite feasible from a logistical standpoint.
>Like i said, the idea is cartoonishly idiotic.
more opinion.

>I think you just said a thing without thinking about it, and then it just snowballed from there.

No, I have thought this through. Originally I came up with it because sea mines are a viable solution to Europe's NGO ship / immigration crisis, and this is merely the land-based version of it. No one is forcing people to walk onto landmines. If no one attempts to cross, then no one can possibly die to it, without actively seeking to die in such a manner. This is a straightforward and entirely ethical arrangement through which a nation can defend its borders.

But you're going to ignore everything I've said and handwaive it with more non-arguments and opinions, so have at it.

>>334365 Please tell me how people who aren't attempting to illegally cross the border would realistically be blown up by these proposed mines. Go on...

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 4b4975)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334376

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>>334372
Whatever, you win, goodnight.

Anonymous (ID: ea1c82)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334377

>>334372
No, that's Mk17's dea...

>>334376
Aw c'mon!

🦊 (ID: ba1c9c)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334379

>>334372
oh fuck, I always thought the bullies in school were wrong to beat people up for not giving up their lunch money, but since they said that "if you don't, we'll beat your ass" there was nothing immoral about that

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334380

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>>334376 Good night.
>>334379 It's funny watching someone with no inherent sense of morality pontificate about what they consider to be immoral. Go on.
After all, you know it's fine to beat up gay Asians for their lunch money. Can it really be said they didn't have it coming, if they support political positions the bully doesn't agree with? You could go so far as to say that the bully is doing the world a favor. #bullylivesmatter
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vynn (ID: 1cf05b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334386

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>>334283
>Like I said, my argument is a pragmatic one, and I do see value in a single human life, which I overvalue at $100,000,000. If one death, by someone foolish enough to walk into a minefield, saves the nation over $100,000,000 as a result of others choosing not to attempt it, then I consider that a win.
Love to throw an arbitrary and made up dollar amount on a human life, think "value" and "cost on the nation" are the same thing, and use that to justify killing people.

Yeah you really saved Uncle Sam one hundred million by blowing Timmy's legs off. You're the hero we need.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 4b4975)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334390

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>>334377
Sorry to disappoint, but sometimes the best move is not to play.
Spending time to write a 2 post long response in a situation like this, where someone has an idea in their head and will just keep pounding the drum, it's really just you throwing your time away.

So if i mentioned that the US actually banned the use of landmines in 2014 except for on the Korean peninsula and doesn't even produce them anymore
http://www.icbl.org/en-gb/news-and-events/news/2016/the-korean-exception-and-the-mine-ban-treaty.aspx

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-defense-landmines-idUSKCN0HI1U920140923
And going back on those commitments to solve a humanitarian issue would indeed be an international faux pas.

Or tried to explain that, yeah, landmines are explosive, and laying them is hazardous.
Or simply that most people dont want thousands of miles of their countries land soured with deadly landmines to solve a contemporary problem.
Or that "well, war torn Israel has a similar policy so we should" is essentially the same argument of "well, Afghanistan does Sharia law, so we should" or "The UK bans hate speech, so we should".

It would be met with one word replies and accusations of straw manning or some other go-to Internet argument retort, and thats just frustrating.

He is dug in. Landmines are the answer and its not up for debate, and since any point made is "not even making an argument" because he didnt agree... Id rather do anything else haha.

Others can feel free to keep going, but i dont think trying to convince the person who thinks suicide by cop is a legitimate and applaudable action, that laying millions of landmines along our border is a bad idea is a wise use of time.
You can't make a moral argument to someone who has vastly different morals, and you cant make a logical argument to someone who doesn't want to hear it.

Luckily, i dont have to, because its an idea so, as i said, cartoonishly idiotic and simple minded that i doubt it would ever metastasize anywhere where it could be put into practice.

So really, more of a TKO.
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Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 4b4975)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334391

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>>334386
Thats also a good point.
Considering these mines would be on our side of the border, when they only mame someone, it would be our responsibility to provide medical care for those people.
Also, recovering bodies would be part of the hazards of maintenance i mentioned.

Im sure watching as someone suffers and dies, and letting their bodies rot in the sun along our border, or needlessly risking the lives of border patrol workers who need to go into a minefield would be "acceptable" to save a few bucks in the mind of those who advocate for this, but not in mine.

Just, dont throw milkshakes at people.
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(ID: dfd489)Country code: tr, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334392

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>>334391
>Just, dont throw milkshakes at people.
Give them to me instead. I will drink it all.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 4b4975)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334394

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>>334392
Dude, i want a milkshake so bad right now.
I've been on a short fast, and im trying to decide how to break it.

Was thinking like... Egg whites on an english muffin with a naner...

But... Milkshake, with m&m minis. Thats sounding good.

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Milkshakes, finally a subject worth discussing.

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>>334395
Ye.

What should i break my fast with?

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>>334396
Ribs, with a milkshake.

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>>334397
Now your talking!

9am ribs and milkshakes bay-bee!

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>>334396
>MFW I just realized the composition of the word "breakfast"

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>>334398
God speed.

And get Texas toast

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>>334399
Hahaha really?

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>>334402
I've actually never had Texas toast, and the only place i know to find it is frozen at the dollar store.

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>>334405
Make your own. Combine garlic, butter, and parsley together, spread on to bread and toast it

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>>334406
It's gotta be extra thicc though right?

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>>334407
No point in garlic bread if it's thin

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>>334408
Valid point.

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>>334406
No cheese?

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>>334412
Go for it

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 4b4975)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334416

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I ended up having a peanut butter sandwich.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334499

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>>334386
>Love to throw an arbitrary and made up dollar amount on a human life, think "value" and "cost on the nation" are the same thing, and use that to justify killing people.
My argument holds even if that "value" is $0, hence why I say I'm being very, very generous. If you, personally, fueled by your own selfishness, are costing the American taxpayers $100M+ through your cooperative action and illegal activity, and then meet your demise thanks to your own stupidity when presented in no uncertain terms that death is a possible outcome of the illegal action that you and only you have chosen to undertake, then I don't feel sorry if you meet your demise due to your own stupidity. Sorry, not sorry.
>justify killing people
>ftfy: justify people killing themselves
>Yeah you really saved Uncle Sam one hundred million by blowing Timmy's legs off. You're the hero we need.
That is not and has never been my argument. You should take a course in reading comprehension.

>>334390 I'm not going to write a long response, because MK's arguments are stupid, as is self-evident, because it's just stupid, because I say so. But if I were to write a response, I might have mentioned that

the notion that laws never change and can never be reversed is stupid
the notion that we should care about an international faux pas, especially from those who seek to undermine our sovereignty, is stupid
the notion that people can't ever do dangerous jobs, is stupid. Jeez, it's almost like people think we don't have a military or something. stupid.
The notion that landmines in places where people have zero justification to go somehow is a problem for civilians, is stupid.
Or that false equivalencies by people too stupid to form coherent arguments aren't convincing in any way.
It would be met by someone who doesn't address arguments directly, and just skirts around them, because his arguments are too idiotically constructed to do otherwise.

You can't make a moral argument if you have no coherent morals, as evidenced by Mk having no coherent argument.
But what point is there in convincing someone who thinks all life is sacred, who refuses to back it up with any justification other than "because I said so", that a few idiots stupid enough to commit suicide, actually committing suicide, if it saves billions of dollars, is a net win for the USA.

I look forward to one day committing suicide by cop, and ruin someone's life validate someone's existence by letting them utilize the ultimate skills they've trained to use their entire career, in the process.
Too bad there aren't any landmines around that I could step onto of my own free will, instead.
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>>334416
>I ended up having a peanut butter sandwich.
No jelly?

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>>334537
Nah, never cared for it tbh.

I use to like fluff, but one time i used way too much fluff and it made me sick, so now i dont like fluff haha.

And thats the story of my experiences with peanut butter.

Go now, in peace, and spread this tale.
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>>334499
>My argument holds even if that "value" is $0
>If you, personally are costing the American taxpayers $100M+
Very extreme what

Gonna be honest, don't want to talk to you like. Anymore. Just fuck off lmao.

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>>334538
>>334537
Cant stand jelly, but jam/preserves are my thing.

Got some apricot preserves that are great with jelly.

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>>334542
I've never had an apricot.

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>>334545
Never had a raw one, only one in jam form lol

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>>334547
I cant even imagine what one tastes like.
Is it citrus-y?
Or is it like... Melon-ic?

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>>334540 how much do you realistically think your life is worth?

If you think $100M is anything but a ridiculous overestimate, then you are either in the 0.01%, or massively narcissistic.

And here I was intentionally using a ridiculous overestimate to be as charitable as possible, way more than is reasonable.
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>>334552
The average cost of an assassin on the dark web ranges from $18,000 to $10,000, roughly speaking.

So the cost of taking a life is around in that range. Just FYI.

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>>334552
Though, individual body parts can get into the 5k, 6k range alone, so if you were to take a human and dismantle them for parts you could possibly get somewhere around $50,000 to $80,000 for the whole lot, I guess.

But $100M is very clearly way overboard.
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⛵☎!XSAILBoatg (ID: 5f0418)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334555

>>334553 Some people will kill you for the change in your pocket. In any case, even under the best circumstances, is well under $100M.
>>334554 another way I'd look at it is the sum of practical and even not so practical end of life medical expenditures. There are limits to how much money will be spent on keeping a person alive.
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>>334548
Apricots have a similar consistency to plums, only the outside is more fuzzy and it's kind of tart.

The fuzzy outside is the hardest part to get over, tbh.
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>>334555
Everything that lives consumes resources so that's not a good measure of worth.

⛵☎!XSAILBoatg (ID: 5f0418)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334558

>>334557 true. I think average lifetime productivity X4 is the best estimate. Even there, we're talking under $5M for the vast majority of people.

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From 100 to 5. What conviction.

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>>334563 You, too, have missed the point - that point being that I value human life, in general, at roughly 20X the value that it is actually worth.

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>>334565
Separate issue, but I have a used 2004 Toyota carolla for sale for $40,000 if you're interested.

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>>334567 not particularly, but since you work in insurance, I'm sure you could look into insuring it to that value if you so choose. Don't be surprised if your rates go up a bit.

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>>334556
I've never had a plum.

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>>334568
Funnily enough, if I value something for more than it's worth, it's not approved.

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>>334569
I planted a santa Rosa plum tree a few years back. Going to make plum wine if it fruits this year.

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>>334571 Funnily enough, I'm arguing that human life should be treated as more valuable than it actually is, and you're making the case against it.
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>>334575
Ding ding ding

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>>334576 Interesting. I'm not sure where that puts you on the issue of landmines, but I'm imagining 20X as many acceptable losses in that case. A bit extreme, I'd say.

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>>334577
When did I say anything about landmines, or killing people?

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>>334579 You didn't, but that is what the value is in reference to. Policies have effects, life and death effects in many cases (even where it isn't obvious), and they can be measured in terms of dollars vs lives. This is the equation I have been talking about and why I proposed $100M as the breakeven in this specific case.
I was curious about your thoughts as someone who works in insurance.
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>>334574
That sounds pretty good.
I thought you didn't like wine though.

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>>334580
I simply commented on how you went from 100 million to 5 million. And I'm underestimating your admitted overestimation. Which makes a more realistic expectation.

>>334581
Other people like wine, I like gifting wine to others.

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>>334582 Fair enough, though it isn't an overestimation so much as an overvaluation, to specifically skew in favor of limiting loss of life (by 95%, specifically). The true estimation remains the same. I don't think there's a need to go over the basis of it again.

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>>334583
You're correct, as I don't really care.

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>>334584 Good talk.

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>>334582
How charitable.

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>>334586
On occasion. The first yield might be too small to make more than a gallon. So I may just eat it. Plums are good though. Very sweet.

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>>334586
I also have like 2 gallons of limoncello I need to give away to whomever.

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>>334588
>limoncello
How does limoncello differ from a regular cello?

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>>334591
More Limon.

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>>334587
Ill have to try one. Also still need to try lemon juice in tomato sauce. I think of that every time i make it, but never when at the market getting ingredients haha.

>>334588
limoncello is good. My dad use to make it and force it on me haha.
Well, anyone who was at his house actually.

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>>333808
I want to preempt this by saying that I’m only answering this because it’s a question you’ve asked me this many times, and for whatever reason you seem to think that I hate (or at should hate, because of my ideology) trans people and immigrants, which is completely untrue. I’m going to hide everything from this point on, and I’m asking you to not make this a big political debate, the last thing I want is to get back into this after my week of self exile. Comment on my post if you want, but I’m not going to answering anymore of your political questions, unless you ask me off site.

First off I want to explain the fact that I believe our society only has a few decades left until it completely collapses, because it explains all of my other views and actions. Due to things like both personal and governmental debts, the ever growing lack of fundamental resources like water, various fuels, and even basic materials and minerals that are in just about everything we use, as well as environmental problems, along with a thousand other issues that our world faces I don’t think we have too long until we see at least a major global depression, that’ll kill at least hundreds of millions, both in the West and in third world countries, but probably a complete collapse of society, leading into a civil war, or just anarchy. All the problems I just laid are virtually unfixable, in fact they get worse by the day, debts are always growing, and resources are always diminishing. But not only that, we are possibly the most reliant people in all of human history, we are the leat capable of dealing with any of this because most of us haven’t even went a day hungry, we are too privileged. I think this is all something you’d personally agree with.

So given the fact the fact that I think my society is going to collapse into anarchy or civil war within the next few decades, why would care about something like gay marriage or trans rights, even if I oppose these things on principle? I’d call my self a situational nihilistic, so while I have very extreme views that I hold strongly, I wouldn’t do anything to uphold these views in the foreseeable future, because it would be utterly pointless. My attempt at protesting against trans rights would be like pissing on a raging forest fire, the forest is practically already dead, and even if I could piss it out all that’d be left is chard husks. The best solution is to just sit back and watch, or hell even light a few matches. Things can’t be fixed at this point, we’re too fucked, the only hope is that after the collapse people start anew and being panting trees all over again, assuming there are any seeds left.

I don’t think any of your little social movements are going to outlive you, I think they’ll just die off once everything collapses. People aren’t going to care about misgendering you when there are virtually no jobs, there isn’t enough water to grow crops, and natural resources and fuel sources have been drained to such an extent that technologically we go back to the 20s, when only the rich could afford “basic amenities” like electricity or cars. And by the way I highly doubt anyone will care about any of my beliefs either, people will just be hungry and desperate, they’d just as soon follow a Communist as they would a Fascist, a Black man as they would a White man, as long as they’re offered food and shelter. Political beliefs are the luxuries of people who can afford to have them, morals and philosophy aren’t something you can maintain when you’re hungry, you just go where the food is. I do believe that people are naturally racist, so I think my beliefs have a small advantage over yours, but as I said, if given food people will abandon these beliefs. Everything that you and I believe is essentially bullshit, it won’t outlast either of our lifetimes. Why fight for or against something like LGBT, when you know that no matter how hard you try, or who wins, that people will drop it all when the inevitable comes. And this is inevitable, maybe histories best and most virtuous politician could fix our financial problems, but things like water shortages, and shortages of just about every other resource you could imagine are not only inevitable, but already happing. Look at Californias severe droughts, or the Paris fuel riots, basically imagine that but times 10, that’s the world of 20 years or so from now. I think we may be able to recover, but that will be long past my lifetime, and yours.

>Logically, you can't be a nazi and be on good terms with trans people or immigrants.

That seems like a rather black and white way of looking at things. I’m also vegan, does this mean I can’t be on good terms with meat eaters? You’re opposed to National Socialism and Fascism, does this mean you’re a hypocrite for being on fairly good terms with me? I’m guessing that you’re willing to be friendly with me because given the context I’m not a threat to you or your politics, so being unkind to me would be more spiteful and pathetic than anything, and it really is just nice to be nice. I feel the smae way.

Lots of people believe some really disparate things from on another, but we all have to function within society, and it’s generally better for everyone if you out political differences aside in favour of having good relations with most people, this includes “Nazis.”

>The ideology you espouse says people like me are a poison to society and should be killed,

Just to clear this up, I don’t want to kill trans people, and my views towards immigrants come from a place of desperation. The worst I was regarding the trans issue was when I thought that transwomen should be barred from being trans in public, because I thought that it would have a bad impact on society, at this time I even acknowledged that transwomen are women, and saw “oppressing” them as a necessary evil. I still think that trans people are a danger to society, not because of anything they’ve done, but by the nature of being trans, (I feel the same way about homosexuality) or gender non-conforming, but unlike then I no longer believe that transwomen shouldn’t be allowed to wear women’s clothing in public, and I have mixed views on the whole media censorship thing, I think that alternative lifestyles should be censored somewhat for the health of society, but I no longer think that it should be outright banned. (These are what I believe in principle, as I’ve already explained, in practice I don’t care. Feel free to wave your “transwomen are women flag.”)

And as for the immigration situation, you know my views on that, even if I see them as unfortunate.

Mint horse (ID: 502a7d)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335197

Part two.
>I'm both of those things, yet you try your hardest anyway.
I think most people on this board would be extremely surprised at how polite I am IRL, to all people.

I know I’ve said this a few before, but I only say it because people keep implying or outright saying that I hate (insert group here). Whenever I’m outside I’ll constantly do things do things like hold doors open for people, or pick up things they’ve dropped, and considering that I spend a lot of time in the city centre I often do these things for non-White people. This obviously isn’t anything to be proud of, these are just small pleasantries, but my point is that if I hated non-White people I wouldn’t do them. I don’t see why in practice I would treat non-White people (or trans people) any different than I would White people. What do I gain by doing so?

I believe that immigrants are “a poison to my society,” as you put it, but I don’t see why treating them any differently than I would anyone else would help the situation. As I’ve said before, I’m 100% against unnecessary violence, and I feel the same way about general rudeness and bigotry, “necessary” violence and biology are a completely different thing, but I don’t see why I can’t be kind to my worst enemy (not implying that non-White people are my enemy, that’s just a hyperbolic example) in the meantime.

Plus I just really like you.

>Do you just shut off the pertinent nazi parts of your brain when you talk to me?

Again, being an “situational nihilistic” I see my principles and what I do in practice as being two entirely different things. Despite seeing it as degenerate, if I saw you at a LGBT pride event I’d likely join you and take part in anything that you took part in. I don’t see this as hypocritical and it gives me cognitive dissonance because as I’ve said before, I unironically believe that all of society is going to come crumbling down within the next few decades, so it’s not like anything I do now in our dying society matters. I might as well enjoy it until it all dies off. What comes after? Not my problem, I’ll likely be dead by then, I can hypothesise and put forth my ideal of a utopia, but what actually comes about will have nothing to do with me, and reality doesn’t conform to all of my biases, so what does eventually come about will almost definitely be radically different than what I would have hoped for.
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Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335199

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>>335196
>>335197
Says he will "be back" on Tuesday, comes back on Monday... "But this time i mean it!"

Fuck off dude, holy shit.

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>>335199
Chill.

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>>335199
I meant in a week. I thought it was Tuesday when I posted that, but I couldn’t correct myself because I said that I’d stop posting, that was accident. I should have just said a week, that’s what I meant.
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>>335200
You and i need to VC one day so you learn to read me better.

>>335201
Oh neat, excuses.
Lier.

Mint horse (ID: 5b076e)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335210

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>>335202
Why the fuck would I leave for exactly one week and a day? Seems like a pretty arbitrary number to me.

Besides, you know you missed me.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335212

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>>335210
Just another example in a long list of lies.
Lier.

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: d3406d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335213

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Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335214

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>>335213
Thank you.

>>335210
Liar.

Anonymous (ID: 5b076e)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335221

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>>335212
Why the actual fuck would I leave for a whole week, only to break my promise on the last day? I was aware that I made a mistake, but I didn’t even expect you to point it out, because it’s so minor. I obviously meant to say a week.

A good chunk of the reason I left in the first place was ti appease you. I didn’t have to leave, it was my choice.

>>335214
You’re acting like a child.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335223

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>>335221
Because you're a liar i assume.
Why would you say Tuesday then come back on Monday even though you know you said tuesday but "didnt want to edit it".
Why would the first thing you post about be your political shit when you said several times you'll "never do it again"?
Why do you come up with a bunch of excuses for everything?
Why are you a lying degenerate whos life is supported by welfare but go on an on about how you hate people like that to the point you want to see them dead if they dare to live near you?
Why did you post a snuff video of a man being fucked to death by a horse to "troll" /mlp/ and then come here after you got banned from 4chan?
Why do you say you were diagnosed with Asperger syndrome when really your just a sociopath with no education? (You should get your money back on that one)
Why do you think you dont offend anyone on a board that has people who are minorities and jewish by constantly posting about how you think they are subhuman?
Why do you say you "cant control yourself" but also insist that you can?
Why your brain no work good?

There are a whole lot of questions yet to be answered, watch for edits, ill probably think of more.
Edit:
Oh! Heres a good one, why do you think immigrants from "low IQ places" should be deported or killed when you coming here from 4chan is essentially the same thing?
Why dont you understand that everytime you make a "joke" that everyone getting pissed at you means it wasnt funny or in good taste no matter how much you insist it was?
Why after promising to "not post nazi stuff" did you spam it all over the place because you thought it would impress some girl?
Why did you say this place sucked and that you were going to ponyville and never coming back, but never stopped posting here?
Why was your first post here just a bunch of nazi propaganda if you "just love the pony community" and "it wasnt a troll"?
Why do you say you wright so much porn and publish it but also claim to hate the jews for instigating degenerate behavior?
Why do you publicly do sexual roll plays but think pride parades should be banned because its too sexual for public?
Why did you have a "joke" relationship with a man?
Why do you always say "your getting better" about your beliefs, basically admitting that you are wrong, but in reality you are getting more violent and spouting more rhetoric?
Why do you post textwalls about how its wrong to kill animals for food, but advocate killing people who dont bend to your will?
Why do you hate people with "bad genes" but claim to have several mental and physical deficiencies?
Why do you constantly make "deals" and break them?
Why do you talk about how you are uneducated, brag about how you didnt pay attention in school, and that you just google stuff and acknowledge your a victim of propaganda, but also say you know the "real truth" and science is just sheeple doing what society tells them?
Why did I ever give you the benefit of the doubt?
Why are you everything you hate?
Why wont you do any introspection?

Why are you here?

That ought to keep you occupied for a while.
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Maroon Auburn!QEUQfdPtTM (ID: a51afb)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335225

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>>335221
>>335223

Can't we all leave the past in the past and be friends?

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335226

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>>335225
Maybe, if the "past" didnt also happen to be the present and presumably the future.

Mythix (element of psychological warfare)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 9132ff)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335227

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>>335226
We need a time machine.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335228

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>>335227
When this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're going to see some serious shit.

Mythix (element of psychological warfare)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 9132ff)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335229

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>>335228
I like to keep it safe so I won’t be seeing any babies.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335230

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>>335229
I mean... Babies still exist.
Also, those are only 99% effective, possibly less so if there are pins nearby.

Mythix (element of psychological warfare)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 9132ff)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335231

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>>335230
When in doubt, pull it out.

Mythix (element of psychological warfare)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 9132ff)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335232

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Wish I had a time machine
So you would never have to leave
And I would never have to say sorry
But now we're running on a picture-perfect memory
Of all the things I couldn't say
And I would never have to say sorry that I couldn't save you

Mint horse (ID: 5b076e)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335233

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>>335223
I’m going to address these in the order you asked them.

>1

I realised that I fucked up a day or two later, at which point I couldn’t take edit it.

>2

Did you read the preempt? This is a question that she’s asked quite a few times, and she seems to take it personally, so I wanted to clear it up. I hided it so you didn’t have to see it. And as I said, if she asks me any questions I’m just going to ignore them, and not get into an argument.

>3

Depends how you define excuses.

>4

I’m not on welfare, and I never claimed to be, my mum’s on welfare. Why is she on welfare, because my step dad is a drug addict and a kleptomaniac, meaning that’s he’s stolen literally thousands off her, (my mum claims he stole £2,500 of her while I was two, and then spent it all on cocaine) he even managed to weasel his into stealing the house she paid for, leaving him with a three bedroom house all to himself, while the mother to his three (two if you only count his biological children, I.E. not me) stuck in a high rise flat. My dad stole £400 of me just a few months ago, he’ll literally steal anything form anyone, and he’s a compulsive liar, even making up random stories that are clear lies, but then insisting that they’re 100% true. So she’s left to look after two kids and me by herself, giving her no choice but to live on welfare and go into thousands worth of debt just to make ends meet. I actually asked her about welfare, but she says she doesn’t want to sign me up, I guess she’s terrified of me being like her. And that’s only scratching the tip.

In comparison I just went for a job interview a few days ago, and while I was rejected, I think I did really well for my first interview, and I’m going to apply for a job in a supermarket later on today. I’m 18, I’ve never drank, I’ve never took drugs, I’ve never smoked, and I’m applying for jobs. I don’t know about your family, but for mine that’s considered a fucking miracle. I’m doing really well given the background I was born into, maybe not for yours, but I’m not you. You don’t know what I’ve had to go through.

>5

That was a retarded joke I made almost a year ago. And I came here for no particular reason, you just got unlucky.

>6

I was diagnosed at 5 and went to see various psychiatrists up until I was about 16-17, but I suppose they don’t know what they’re talking about. Also I may be a sociopath, I’ve done some research and I’m convinced that I may at least have some sociopathic tendencies, but that doesn’t make a bad person. How can you judge me for a mental disorder that I may or may not have when I have no say in wether I have it or not?

>7

I’ve never called anyone subhumam, you’re just being hyperbolic.

>8

I’m sorry that I’m not good at language policing myself to your sensibilities, I’m trying my best.

>9

Because I have at least one serious mental disorder, and possibly a few undiagnosed ones.

>10

I don’t know, maybe you could kill/deport me as a form of reparations.

>11

I do understand, which is why I’m trying to stop.

>12

Are you referring to Kadence? I’d hardly say that I spammed it, I made a few jokes with her, I wouldn’t call that spamming.

>13

I never said that. I said that I was going to start posting on ponyville, not that I was leaving. And I don’t hate this place, there are just some people on it that have really been getting on my nerves recently.

>14

That was a troll, but that was just the first day, I’ve been here for a good 10 months now.

>15

I write it, I don’t publish it. Besides I haven’t even finished anything. Read >>335196 if you want to know why I don’t find this to be hypocritical.

>16

I don’t do that, publicly. I’ve made like one or two joke posts. Also again, read >>335196 for context. Besides, I think both are degenerate, and I’d challenge you to point out where I didn’t say I was a degenerate.

>17

That wasn’t a joke relationship, it was/is complicated.

>18

In some regards I have.

>19

Because anyone who opposes my will obviously deserves to die.

>20

I don’t have any “physical deficiencies,” I don’t know who told you that. The closest thing I have to a physical deficiency is that I’m a bit skinny. But yeah, I’m pretty fucked up in the noggin, I can’t deny that.

Also the “muh bad genes” argument doesn’t work on me because I don’t plan to pass them on.

>21

I’ve honestly been trying. I thought leaving for a week would show you that.

>22

That’s a lot of question rolled into one. To answer all of them in once, I’m stubborn.

>23

I don’t know, but I suppose you don’t have to worry about that anymore.

>24

I’m fully aware that I’m basically the prime example of everything I hate, but I never exactly said that I liked myself, did I.

>25

I have, and I’m fully aware that I’m a brain damaged (quite literally, depending on your definition of the word) ideologue, I’ve just learned to live with it. I’m 100% aware that I’m a walking contradiction, but I can’t help being me.

>26

Because I’ve secretly fallen in love with you and a enjoy the abuse.

>>335225
I genuinely wanted this, but he doesn’t.

Maroon Auburn!QEUQfdPtTM (ID: a51afb)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335234

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>>335231

>When catching a trout, don't be a lout

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335235

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>>335233
I don't care and your word breaks so much it means nothing to me, get lost.

Why didn't you see this coming?

Mint horse (ID: 5b076e)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335236

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>>335235
I was going to write >inb4 sarcastic comment, but unlike you I’m not that much of an asshole.

Mythix (element of psychological warfare)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 9132ff)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335237

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>>335234
I have never heard of a lout before but I’m assuming that’s a common word used in Britain.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335238

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>>335236
>unlike you I’m not that much of an asshole.
>

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 03230f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335239

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>>335238
Yet still not as much an asshole as MK.

Maroon Auburn!QEUQfdPtTM (ID: a51afb)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335241

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>>335237

Rather old fashioned word to be honest.

Other related terms;

Yob
Hooligan
lout
Ruffian

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 03230f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335242

>>335196
For the record, the hidden textwall is offensive as shit, Mint.

Holy fuck you will never have any friends in life at all like this.

Mint horse (ID: 5b076e)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335243

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>>335238
Why aren’t you pestering Toy who suggested that we should invade other countries, or Boat who literally said that we should destroy these boats right after I did?

>>335242
I actually thought that was very tame.
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a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 03230f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335244

>>335243
Probably cuz toy and boat post other stuff too, but with you there is literally nothing but this.

Just my guess.

>tame

Telling Starshine you wont discuss it then explaining how you accept her as friend only because the world is going to end soon so its ok shes a monster?
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a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 03230f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335245

Oh yeah i forgot im not wasting my breath talking to a closed mind.

Mint horse (ID: 5b076e)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335246

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>>335244
>shes a monster
I don’t remember saying that?

Braze!BURNMzysTU (ID: c48a1a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335247

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Mk17, listen, i'm going to assume some serious shit happened i just don't fucking understand

but the things you're saying to Mint, they hurt him, as they would hurt any human being who values words and what they mean

you're repeatedly using language that i think you know is causing him emotional stress

if you want him gone, fucking whatever, but can you not be such a sadistic jerk about it?

this is my plea to your humanity to not attack another person and knowingly harm them, because i want to believe some part of you has some shred of kindness

i don't care who started what. i don't. i just know that your responses to him pleading for you to stop are not acceptable

this is as calm as i can be about shit like this

someone believing shit you dislike and find harmful is not a free pass to be horrible

i'm completely on-board with mint's beliefs being fucking terrible, but i'm not a goddammned barbarian either

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: be1249)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335249

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>>335247
Who are you?

Maroon Auburn!QEUQfdPtTM (ID: a51afb)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335250

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Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335251

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>>335239
Hmmm, i havent even read this >>335242 offense textwall yet, so maybe?
Remember the month+ of shit you gave me for being "racist" by saying immigrants are welcome but should fallow the law?
Now im an asshole for not wanting the dude who literally says he wants genocide around. Nice.
So, if you think im an asshole for giving the dude who wont shut up about how my friends and family need to die, lying about how he "wont do it anymore" and making other users just leave, so be it. Ill take that hit.

>>335247
Idk who you are so whatever.
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dragoni!XponyNZ6g6 (ID: 1bbd57)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335252

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>>335238
wow.
I think Mk17 is just tired of this kind of shit. And rightly so.
>Keep your toxic nihilistic worldview to yourself.

Braze!BURNMzysTU (ID: c48a1a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335253

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>>335251

i guess that appeal to humanity didn't work out so well

let me try it this way

please leave mint the fuck alone, you insufferable disgusting bitch

as awful as the things he believes are, i can't imagine they will ever cause half as much practical harm as your toxic and horrible behavior

i hope he doesn't speak to you again after this, because i sure as fuck don't want to see you anymore either, and i think the feeling's mutual

Mint horse (ID: 5b076e)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335254

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>>335251
Wow, are you capable of saying anything that isn’t complete hyperbole? Every word you said about me in this post is a complete fucking fantasy, it’s like an Alice In Wonderland interpretation of what I actually believe.

>dude who wont shut up about how my friends and family need to die,

I’d love for you to tell me when I said this in particular. You seem to like screen shots, I’m sure you have something.

Why are you lashing out now. I left for a whole fucking week primarily because of you. What was the point?

>Idk who you are so whatever.

She’s my gf I asked her not to get involved.

>>335252
Who are you?

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 03230f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335255

>>335251
I didn't say immigrants are welcome (tho u r correct i do feel that way), i said we can't treat the children of refugees as criminals.

But i think you got the opposite point: i doubt that you are more of an asshole than Mint.

I think we're all assholes. Who's more so is always up for debate i suppose.

(ID: db95b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335256

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i just wish it wasn't like this...

dragoni!XponyNZ6g6 (ID: 1bbd57)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335257

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>>335254
an innocent bystander budging into other people's business on an imageboard.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 03230f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335259

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>>335257
Eeeeyup.

>>335256
Me too.

Mint horse (ID: 5b076e)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335260

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>>335256
Why haven’t you told Mk to cut this shit out? I left for a week, and the day I come back he starts drama.

I fully, 100% acknowledge that I started this, but he’s the one that’s keeping it going at this point. You should talk to him, especially considering that he’s a mod and your an admin.

If he lets this go I’m willing to just completely ignore him, but I’m not just going to allow him to slander or attack me.

>>335257
What else are imageboards for?

Welcome I guess!

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335261

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>>335255
Ohhh you were quoting him.
Misunderstood sorry.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335262

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>>335260
Freedom of speech dude.

If you can spout off genocidal garbage and i have to take it, i can give you shit and you have to take it.

2 way streets huh? What a bitch.

(ID: db95b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335263

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>>335259
im just gonna speak how feel and spill the truth

im just tired of the subject about race

because at the end of the day were all humans just trying to live our lives

were all equally the same

race doesn't mean a damn thing

>>335260
the rules apply to the staff just like everyone else

he's violated no rules

Braze!BURNMzysTU (ID: c48a1a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335265

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>>335263

do you not have rules about not being a vindictive angry bitch?

because MKs pretty obviously personally attacking mint in spite of mint's attempts to STOP talking about the shit that initially upset MK

so you're either a really fucking incompetent admin or haven't been paying much attention

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: d3406d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335266

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>>335265
Who are you?

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 03230f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335267

>>335263
>race is meaningless

I feel that way too. And considering anyone less because they are disadvantaged in some way violates Horton's law: a person's a person no matter how small.

Mint horse (ID: 5b076e)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335268

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>>335262
Freedom of speech doesn’t mean you should act like a total cunt and harass people. You have that right and I’m not trying to take it away from you, I’m just asking you to act like a fucking adult and not vindictive child.

>>335263
Which rule hasn’t he broken?

<Blatant personal attacks will not be tolerated.


<Blatant attempts to goad or “bait” users into uncivil conduct will not be tolerated.


<Disruptive behaviors that prevent others from engaging in a thread are prohibited.


<Stalking, harassment, or posting of others' personal information are prohibited.


<Friendly banter/mockery is fine, but hostility is not.


Besides I’m not asking you to ban him, just tell him to calm down. If he doesn’t I won’t hold anything against you, and I certainly don’t expect you to ban him or take any similar action against him. I just want him to stop.
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(ID: db95b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335269

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>>335265
/ef/ has always been this way

i understand you're new here

but this is has how its always been

freedom is speech is a strong principle i stand by

if you're going to talk to me this way i have no reason to really address you

>>335267
precisely

man, i think i am turning into a progressive...

>>335268
do you people keep forgetting what board you're on? if this was /oat/, then yeah i would tell him to stop

dragoni!XponyNZ6g6 (ID: 1bbd57)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335270

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>>335260
I like it here.

Braze!BURNMzysTU (ID: c48a1a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335271

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>>335269

not sure you understand what "sitewide" means

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335272

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>>335265
Obviously you're a regular haha.
Try lurking for a minute.

>>335268
It also means you shouldn't advocate genocide, nazism, racism and bullshit on a my little pony img board all damn day too then i suppose.
But here we are.

Anyway, i have a solution i think is fair. Details to come!
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(ID: db95b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335273

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>>335271
the global rules literally has never applied to /ef/

that's we have a specific sticky addressing how /ef/ works

you don't know what you're talking about

Mint horse (ID: 5b076e)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335274

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>>335269
Those are site wide, it says so. Maybe you should edit the front page. Regardless I think the shit Mk is doing to me should be against the rules, it breaks SEVERAL “site wide” rules. Again I’m not asking you to ban him, but for fuck sake, you should at least talk to him. I don’t care that I started it, I’m trying to stop it, he’s the one that’s intentionally making this harder for everyone involved.

>>335272
This is basically politics with a pony theme. Anyway, I’ve had enough of this shit, I’m leaving. Goodbye!

Braze!BURNMzysTU (ID: c48a1a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335275

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>>335272

i know all about this cesspool of a website, i spent years here and i'm only back because your incompetence harmed someone i care about

(ID: db95b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335276

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>>335273
see
>>335274

it's been this way for years now

you guys are clueless

Braze!BURNMzysTU (ID: c48a1a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335277

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>>335273

then edit the front page? sitewide means something, and it doesn't mean that thing if you have a rule in place to contradict it

it's no longer "sitewide" if it isn't.. sitewide

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335278

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>>335274
Aww, you didnt even get to hear my final solution.

I worked so hard on it.

Mint horse (ID: 5b076e)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335279

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>>335278
I’m listening.

(ID: db95b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335280

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>>335277
maybe i should edit the front page

but it has and always has been understood that /ef/ is expect from those rules

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335281

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>>335279
You're still here?

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335282

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>>335279
>>335281
Nah Im kidding chill out.

Hang on.

Braze!BURNMzysTU (ID: c48a1a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335283

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>>335280

if you edit the front page, then it'd be clearer for everyone and i wouldn't have bitched at you about this, saving a lot of people some mild suffering

adding a small anecdote on the front page saying /ef/ is excluded would be best

(ID: db95b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335284

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>>335283
fair enough

ill take your suggestion into consideration

i appreciate you bringing that to my attention

it's not something that generally crossed my mind

Braze!BURNMzysTU (ID: c48a1a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335285

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>>335284

just a good thing to keep in mind, you know?

say a user comes here and reads the sitewide rules then assumes they're actually sitewide? could obviously cause a lot of issues when they aren't

it'd be hypocritical of me to say you can't have a place where people say whatever they want, because i just did that, but it should be made clear on the main rules page

(ID: db95b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335287

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>>335285
i agree with you entirely here

that is something that i should have noticed

sorry for the confusion and misunderstanding

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335288

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>>335279
Since you say you will stop spamming genocide and wont, and since you say you will filter political threads and haven't, since you say you "cant control yourself", and since you said i should ban you every time you talk about it but i cant, i propose you request a ban from /ef/.

You can still post on all the other boards, and anyone who wants to talk to you can talk to you there.
Since you imposed all those regulations on yourself and wont fallow them, this will keep you honest, allow you to post the way you said you want to, and give you the control you say you dont have.

Added benefit, you might help make /oat/ a more active board, because you are capable of making a decent non political post.

Otherwise, you're free to do what you want.
But here im allowed to do and say whatever i want too, the same rules govern us both, so dont get hurt feelings when i do.

I think thats absolutely fair, and inline with everything you have said you wanted and promised you would do. So if you were ever serious, this should be no problem, right?

But, i cant do it unless you agree, so ball is in your court.

So there is your olive branch.

Braze!BURNMzysTU (ID: c48a1a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335289

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>>335287

no, i was the one being a massive bitch about it

i still reserve the right to be a bitch on this specific board when someone is an ass to my boyfriend, though

Anonymous (ID: 5229bc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  335290

>>335289
wait, is this kadence?

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 03230f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335291

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>>335283

Are your thousand years up already.

(ID: db95b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335292

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>>335289
correct

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 03230f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335293

>>335290
Newer bitch.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335294

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>Kadence

Okay, now it makes sense.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 03230f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335295

>>335294
Pretty sure thats wrong.

You guys dont really get off this site much do you.

Or i'm wrong in which case i bow out on the guessing game while im behind
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Mk17!!Trixie (ID: c1b4e1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335296

Braze!BURNMzysTU (ID: c48a1a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335298

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i don';t know who kadence is, but i hope this situation gets resolved and no one keeps being a bitch to my boyfriend, because i have to duck out soon

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 03230f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335299

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>>335296
Def Col Mustard with the candlestick.

Anonymous (ID: 5229bc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  335300

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>>335298
I'm just wondering where you came from.
Mint never told us about you.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 03230f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335301

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>>335298
Are you sure you are white enough for Minty?

Braze!BURNMzysTU (ID: c48a1a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335303

>>335300
>>335301

he was gone for a week, and i happened during that week

also i'm pretty white yeah

see you later LP, be safe

Mint horse (ID: 5b076e)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335305

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>>335288
>So there is your olive branch.
I’m not going to lie, before I read this I was originally going to give you a taste of your own medicine and just reply with “cool story bro,” and after I got through most of it I was going to make another one of my promises. But I’ll take you up on your offer.

You can ban me from /ef/ for a whole month, but I’m warning you that this ban better be in good faith. If you’re just trying to fuck me over with this I will lose absolutely all the respect I have for you.

I’ll take your olive branch, you can give me a one month ban. I hope you appreciate the gesture, because if you don’t I’m done. I’m willing to put in the effort to gain my credibility back, but I won’t be fucked about.

>>335290
She was never my girlfriend, we’re just friends.

>>335294
This isn’t Kadence.

>>335300
I met her on ponyville. Leaving this place for a week was a blessing in disguise.

>>335301
Hey, don’t ruin this for me, you faggot.

>>335303
See you on Wednesday, sweetie.

Tracer Bullet (ID: f61756)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335306

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Man, sure wish my 3 day old girlfriend that's 3K miles away would fight my battles for me.

Mint horse (ID: 5b076e)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335307

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>>335306
I asked her to stay out if it.

Regardless, I’m happy it amuses you, I guess.
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Anonymous (ID: 5229bc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  335308

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>>335305
Sweet. Hey, when you get the chance, mind popping back in there and vouching to Moony for me to get let back in? I got banned for egging on LeAnon when I didn't realize Mondo was right there next to me.

Mint horse (ID: 5b076e)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335309

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>>335308
Should I say that Anon wants unbanned? But seriously, who are you and I’ll ask about it.

We’ll probably have to talk on /oat/ by the time I get an answer.

vynn (ID: 787b8e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335310

tfw no 3 day old girlfriend that's 3K miles away

Mint horse (ID: 5b076e)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335311

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>>335310
I’m so sorry for your loss. I wish I could empathise.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 01d4ec)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335312

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>>335305
I didnt say anything about a month and you're in no position to negotiate.

Maybe someday we can reassess, but there would be no limit to the ban.

Thats the deal.

This is your last chance to agree then its not even an issue because its off the table.
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Mint horse (ID: 5b076e)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335314

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>>335312
I’ll take it under the assumption that one day I’ll be let back onto /ef/, if I’m not tough shit for me I suppose.

This place has became an entirely toxic environment for everyone involved in the past few weeks, I think it would be better for everyone if I moved to /oat/. I really thought I’d be given another chance, but I don’t want to post here if my mere presence in a thread is just going to cause nothing but drama.

Just remember to prepare the celebration thread for when I’m gone.

Press F.
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Mk17!!Trixie ## Mod (ID: 01d4ec)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335315

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>>335314
Then so shall it be.

(ID: db95b8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335316

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guess that settles it

/oat/ does really need more traffic on a real note

Tracer Bullet (phone) (ID: 0085a7)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335317

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>>335316
I can't be an asshole over there.

Anonymous (ID: 5229bc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  335318

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Anonymous (ID: 5229bc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  335320

>gets perma'd
>gets unperma'd again
>gets talked into self-banning

feels like a social engineering attack tbh
i mean, it was "defensive," but even so

-Z- (school) (ID: 6712b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335322

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>>335320
It's defensive as it shows some form of "proactive" measures.
Self-ban to safe some face before getting fully banned and saving nothing.

Anonymous (ID: 5229bc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  335324

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>>335322
I meant by admins upon him, as in the "unban but indirectly goad into self-banning." I didn't want to sound too accusatory, as it's their territory to govern.
But even so.
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-Z- (school) (ID: 6712b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335326

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>>335324
One thing I've learned is that arguments end in nothing but frustration with everyone else.

"Think about how hard it is to change yourself, and then you'll understand how hard it is to change the mind of someone who disagrees"

Plus mint is young and brash enough to actually accept a temp ban. Hell, you could have said "we won't punish you IF you take a break for a while"... oh wait, that happened already didn't it...?

Anonymous (ID: 5229bc)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  335328

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>>335326
My mind's been.....sssssssssssort of changed before.

You'd be surprised the type of stubborn people I've seen suddenly veer around from what they once vehemently defended and disown the old assumption like it was nothing, once they stumble upon the right thing.

Tracer Bullet (ID: 298459)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335329

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>>335314
And nothing of value was lost.

-Z- (school) (ID: 6712b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335330

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>>335328
And how long did that take for them?
I'm not saying it's impossible, but that it's not gonna happen overnight.
It takes time to iron out the wrinkles of ignorance... and sometimes the longest wait is for their iron to get hot... so to speak.

Anonymous (ID: 63729e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335332

>>335306
>my 3 day old girlfriend
Wat? That some damn intense pedophilia right there!

Anonymous (ID: 63729e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335336

>>335298
>i don';t know who kadence is,
Cough ghost cobbra

!XSAILBoatg (ID: b15f36)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  335467

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>>335314 True. People here on this My Little Pony board are assholes. Go figure.


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