[ home ] [ site / arch ] [ pony / oat / ef ] [ rp / fan ]

/ef/ - Everfree

A general discussion board with a laxer atmosphere and fewer rules. Keep adult content or controversial issues here.
Name?

This field is optional. You can choose any name you want, or you can post anonymously by leaving this field empty.

Tripcodes are a way to identify yourself between posts without having to register with the site. To use a tripcode, enter your name as ‹name›#‹key›.You can choose anything you want as the key—it is private and will never be shown to other posters or stored on the server. For example:

Rarity#bestpony → Rarity!.4PK7yxdII

If you want a tripcode containing specific words, you can download a program designed to search for tripcodes, such as Tripcode Explorer.

Email?

Entering an e-mail is optional.

There are also code words you can enter here which perform certain actions when you submit your post.

  • sage — lets you post without bumping a thread.
  • nonoko — uses the original post behavior to redirect to the board index.

These can be used at the same time as an e-mail address by typing ‹email›#‹action›.

You can also use Skype names in place of an e-mail. The notation is the same as a link to a username on skype itself, which is skype:‹username›

Subject
Comment?
Giving emphasis
[b] Bold [/b] Ctrl + B
[i] Italic [/i] Ctrl + I
[u] Underlined [/u] Ctrl + U
[s] Strikethrough [/s] Ctrl + R
Hiding text
[?] Spoiler text [/?] Ctrl + S
[h] Hide block of text [/h] Ctrl + H
Special
[rcv] Royal Canterlot voice [/rcv] Ctrl + K
[shy] Fluttershy voice [/shy]
[cs] Comic Sans [/cs]
[tt] Monospaced [/tt]
[d20], [4d6] — Dice rolls
URLs and linking
Link to a post on the current board
>>1234
Link to another board
>>>/pony/
Link to a post on another board
>>>/pony/1234
Hypertext links
[url=https://www.ponychan.net/] Ponychan [/url]
File
Flag
Options
Password?

This field is for editing and deletions.


File: 1567982793984.jpg (156.97 KB, 1236x820, 190806_jim_watkins_8chan.jpg)

Pig farmer living in the Philippines testifies to US Congress about online free-speech platform Anonymous (ID: f8f38a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid:   333614[Last 50 Posts]

Anonymous (ID: cb86b3)Country code: stallman.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333617

Fuck 8chan. Which one of those cocksuckers is currently ddosing Furaffinity?

Anonymous (ID: 3b64d5)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333619

>>333617
remember, freeze peach is important, as long as you're using it to promote moving society in a more authoritarian direction, and not making weird smut in the privacy of your own bedroom to share with people who have similar interests

Anonymous (ID: f8f38a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333622

File: 1567985011381.gif (41.68 KB, 500x281, toothbrush_m04iwpVzKh1qz7x7bo2…)

>>333617
>implying it's an 8chan user
more likely a radical feminist using """logic""" like "bestiality is always rape because the animal can't consent, so furry porn promotes rape culture, so it's morally okay to commit illegal acts against purveyors of furry porn".

Anonymous (ID: 3b64d5)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333629

>>333622
Conceivable, but the longer I've gone, the more self-identified "feminists" I've come across that claim not to think along these lines and not oppose these things.

Remember FOSTA? Last time someone took meaningful direct action to get sexual content prohibited, it wasn't leftists, it was those damn conservatives.
Conservatives are now the ones burdened to prove they're not the driving force behind this type of censorship, because they were the most recent ones to force it upon us.

Anonymous (ID: f8f38a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333639

>>333629
The FOSTA vote was bipartisan (it was 388 in favor and 25 opposed), and so was the SESTA vote (97 in favor, with only Sen. Paul (R-KY) and Sen. Wyden (D-OR) opposed).

(ID: 2aa394)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333641

File: 1567986223050.jpg (8.01 KB, 225x225, images (1) (1).jpg)

>>333629
This is basically why I keep saying both sides are practically the same. Their reasons for doing shit is different, but the impact is essentially the same.

Liberals hate porn because it objectifies women. Conservatives hate porn because it makes baby Jesus cry.

Fuck both of them, tbh.
This post was edited by its author on .

Anonymous (ID: f8f38a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333643

>>333641
Yeah, unfortunately few congresscritters really believe in free speech.

Anonymous (ID: 3b64d5)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333646

File: 1567986721255.gif (630.04 KB, 512x481, spurdo_rolling.gif)

>>333641
I mean, liberals don't hate porn. Some fringe leftists hate porn, while other leftists don't. And most liberals who aren't under the mainstream spotlight probably have any range of lukewarm-good feelings about it.
The centrist-liberal high profile types in government who hate it usually do for more conservative reasons than leftist ones. For the same reasons they try to "keep hookers off the streets" by arresting them and punishing them as hard as their handlers, as if they're a pest and eyesore to be swept clean. Young people recognize that cutting off society's sexual outlets is a recipe for disaster; it's the crusty older disgruntled types who insist on punishing us.

(ID: 98050f)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  333853

File: 1568066205637.jpg (22.38 KB, 429x429, 61833478_872398203092533_87412…)

>>333646
It's basically the 60'e and 70's all over again.

Iara!KeepOnL7Jg (ID: 1a4c1a)Country code: pe, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333923

File: 1568079126099.png (513.24 KB, 718x1022, Hungry after lewd.png)

Isn't it kinda dehumanizing to call him a "pig farmer" and saying he is "living in the Philippines"

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333976

>>333641
As a feminist myself, I have to say it's not as much the objectification of women (and men) in porn that I find problematic, as the tendency for the industry to employ exploitative and dangerous business practices.

Anonymous (ID: f8f38a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  333994

File: 1568109896218.jpg (148.06 KB, 750x504, china_56f2eff552bcd066018b860c…)

>>333976
>the tendency for the industry to employ exploitative and dangerous business practices.
Doesn't that also apply to anything manafactured in China?

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334131

>>333994
I mean it's a tendency, not a universal rule, but yeah, sure.

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334135

File: 1568134749970.jpg (28.55 KB, 480x480, 67249985_393434081528763_12846…)

>>333976
This is primarily because no one respects the industry so they don't get regulated nearly as much as they should.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334142

>>334135
This could be a part of the problem. There are a lot of porn actors working right now to increase visibility of the issues within the industry and destigmatize sex work as a broad concept. I think this is really important work that should be supported.

At the same time, I also know this cannot be the sole cause alone. We know from academic research that the more sexualized women (and possibly men? The research is more sparse here) are made to be, the less people are likely to respect them as complex individuals. This could certainly contribute to a lot of the stigma, and help explain why the industry is not respected in the first place.
This post was edited by its author on .

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334152

File: 1568135700760.jpg (28.55 KB, 480x480, 67249985_393434081528763_12846…)

>>334142
Here's the primary problem with women and sex: It's that men have a very childish view of sex, tbh. The best phrase I've found to explain this mindset is this; "A key that opens many doors is a great key. A lock that is opened by many keys is a bad lock."

In essence, Men view themselves as keys and women as locks. This is flawed on many levels, but society basically trains men to be this way, and it trains women to treat men this way as well. The entire thing is very fucked up. The primary reason women are sexually oppressed is due to "slut shaming", which is treating women who enjoy sex as awful people. This makes it so it becomes socially unacceptable for women to openly be interested in sex. This only makes the "lock" analogy stronger, since a woman's sexuality now seems to need to be "unlocked". Hence the idea men get in their head is that they need to work for the privilege of getting sex from a woman, and if she gives it freely it means she is just broken.

That is an incredibly horrible mindset to have, but it's how things have been for a long time.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334154

File: 1568135806180.png (514.22 KB, 623x745, Adora_Small.PNG)

>>334152
Oh, yeah, I know this idea well. I wonder how much of it is biologically based and how much is nurture.

I also find it kind of interesting that society has a bit of a giggle response to the mention of sex work in public.

Like, if you tried wearing badges indicating you supported the furthering of sex workers rights, people might actually think this was a joke, because talking about something like that is so far out of the normal sphere. Maybe that's something that could help the climate, if anyone feels willing to do that. Showing open support for this kind of think is probably the first step towards destigmatization.

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334158

File: 1568135970884.jpg (67.75 KB, 720x860, 66049137_112128750091058_56969…)

>>334154
Why do you think I have "Professional Slut" in my title? It's kind of like a little pin that says I support it.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334162

File: 1568136390717.png (256.3 KB, 404x505, Glimmer_Adorable2.PNG)

>>334158
Yeah, it really is. I've always admired that about you.

Never let someone analyze that through the lens of Blanchard's work, lol, the results would not be charitable.

Edit: I just realized, this post has the potential to be hurtful, so to clarify, Blanchard's typologies are a total shitshow imo. If you do go read about them, just remember that this is to transgenderism what freudian analysis was to depression. A very flawed model, built on flawed assumptions.
This post was edited by its author on .

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334167

File: 1568137159101.jpg (312.25 KB, 810x1607, original.jpg)

>>334162
I fight tooth and nail against the oppressive "morality" police that try to play up that sexuality is bad just because some ancient book told them so, or whatever other weird reason they have. I don't consider myself a feminist, however I do want to see equality for women, not just in the normal social aspects, but also in sexuality.

I think this little comic here basically points out the hypocrisy of the whole thing.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334171

>>334167
This is a really good comic, that almost viscerally lets you feel how gender roles are absolutely opressive for women.

>I don't consider myself a feminist, however I do want to see equality for women

That's kinda strange.

Like an oxymoron, I'd say, considering feminism is usually considered furthering of women's rights with the aim of equality of the sexes.

Is it possible you actually are feminist, but simply disagree with some of the ways you see feminism practiced? That's how I tend to conceptualize myself, though, I usually agree with most things labelled feministic, but just not all.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 22f67c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334172

File: 1568138378326.png (318.78 KB, 566x484, 465989897845.PNG)

>>334171
You can have opinions of equality without having to lable yourself something and go along with and take responsibility for the group think that comes with it.

Feminist has become a term that carries with it a stigma, like it or not, right or wrong, it has. So i would think you would actually be able to make more convincing arguments for womans rights by not arguing under such a stigma.
Just like you can make more persuasive arguments for social programs if you dont lable yourself a communist and have the baggage that comes along with it.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334173

>>334172
>Feminist has become a term that carries with it a stigma, like it or not, right or wrong, it has. So i would think you would actually be able to make more convincing arguments for womans rights by not arguing under such a stigma.
>Just like you can make more persuasive arguments for social programs if you dont lable yourself a communist and have the baggage that comes along with it.
That's a pragmatically minded idea, but I feel like an examination of why exactly it is that feminism has become stigmatized is lacking.

Aditionally, the idea of feminism is a rallying point for women, and the ideology of this movement teaches young women valuable lessons about the forces they're going to be up against, if they seek their own development and agency.

If we abandon calling ourselves feminists, we signal to young women that society is ashamed of taking them seriously, that the very idea of fighting for their rights is so invaluable to us, that a bit of social credit is of more concern. Sure, we might rationalize this as being for the greater good, because we can be taken more seriously by feminisms detractors by not adopting the language, but for my part, I think I'd rather stand firmly and openly where I do, and call myself what I am.

My thoughts on women's issues are rooted in theory, both classical and contemporary, and I think to an extent, all of women's equality is, in some way or another. It feels like a shame, to abandon these ties in our speech.
This post was edited by its author on .

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334174

File: 1568139507116.png (97.14 KB, 400x600, tumblr_pn2d6j4BMQ1v8lsjfo1_400…)

>>334171
I consider myself a humanist. Feminism sounds too one-sided for me.

I guess having grown up under the pressure of being expected to fulfill a "male role" in society has made me more viscerally aware of how demanding it can actually be. So I have a hard time falling into the "male privilege" rabbit hole, because life is unfair to both genders, just not in the same ways. Which is why it's difficult to say that both sides are "equally" oppressed because each side faces a different type of oppression.

So calling myself a "feminist" makes me feel like I don't think men also need liberation as well, even though they do, just in different ways.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334175

>>334174
>So calling myself a "feminist" makes me feel like I don't think men also need liberation as well, even though they do, just in different ways.
I'll admit the labelling is very weird.

I think men definitely have it hard too, no doubt about that. I mean, I feel that on my own body. But there's place within feminist movements and literature for this. Tons of intellectuals study how gender roles also harm men, and do so from a feministic entrypoint. It seems really weird, but in a lot of ways it also makes a great deal of sense. The theories and models developed to study gender roles are easily applicable to these spheres as well, and in many cases looking at how men are treated can illuminate some aspects of feministic interest as well. Domestic abuse is often tied to insecurity and vulnerability, which are fundamentally harmful things to men, so in this case, interests seem to align in an almost higher order, such that the solution to women's issues is to resolve men's issues.

Being a humanist is also great, but I think there's no reason you can't consider yourself both.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334176

Anyway, I won't press you on it, I just find the particularity of it interesting.

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334177

File: 1568140127939.jpg (33.35 KB, 473x478, 7d7a0d67fcb5f9a70df1a674244105…)

>>334175
Calling yourself a humanist and a feminist is kind of redundant. It's like saying "I like candy but I also like chocolate bars." It's like... Yeah. No shit that's part of the whole "I like candy." thing.

Being a humanist means you support both genders equally. So saying you're a humanist and a feminist is kind of pointless since feminism is already covered by the humanism part.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: ce6b76)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334178

File: 1568140291737.jpg (118.68 KB, 1280x720, mpv-shot0751.jpg)

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334183

>>334177
>saying you're a humanist and a feminist is kind of pointless since feminism is already covered by the humanism part.
I suppose.

I find it a bit important to recognize feministic issues myself, because I think society as it has existed for the past couple of thousands of years has a tendency to drift towards the exploitation and oppression of women, when an active struggle to prevent this is not upheld. I think the empirics on this are pretty good? But it's obviously very hard to operationalize. To me, this means that the fight for women's issues is particularly important, because whether we like to think about it or not, women are systematically made vulnerable too often, whereas men are often better equipped to secure a place in the social order.

Championing humanism, could possibly lead to the unfortunate outcome that while you situate yourself in the center, acting from what may very well in a vacuum be a reasoned and balanced point of view, many people may have no scrouples employing means to make vulnerable social minorities, meaning a gradual drift might occur, if this kind of dynamic isn't at somewhere near the forefront of our societal consciousness.

These are my thoughts on this, but I wouldn't consider them, like, thoughts that I place a LOT of confidence in being true.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334184

>>334178
Yeah, and men's lib is cool, also. Go men's lib.

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334185

File: 1568140779805.jpg (22.38 KB, 429x429, 61833478_872398203092533_87412…)

>>334183
>To me, this means that the fight for women's issues is particularly important, because whether we like to think about it or not, women are systematically made vulnerable too often, whereas men are often better equipped to secure a place in the social order.

This is absolutely and 100% incorrect. This is the primary flaw of feminism as an idea.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334186

>>334185
How is this the primary flaw of feminism?
This post was edited by its author on .

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 22f67c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334187

File: 1568141201619.png (575.86 KB, 928x720, Daring_Do__you_know,_I_think_I…)

>>334173
It may be a shame that the term carries that stigma, but it is the fact of the matter, especially in the minds of those who need convincing the most.

Folks who chose to label themselves, have chosen to draw a line between them and the "others" so if their group develops a stigma, it is that groups responsibility to ether work under it, or change it.
The other problem with loosely regulated groups such as "feminist" is since anyone can call themselves one, that stigma might be artificially created, and for sure isnt under the control of "real" feminists. If someone argues that men are [blank] and prefaced it with "as a feminist i think..." That becomes, for all intent to the other party, the "feminist" point of view.

Where as, if you're just a person arguing for equality, you dont have to worry about what others in your group have to say, or have to spend time explaining away the negative stigma, you can just make your points.

Once someone says "im a [blank]" they have put in the minds of the people they are talking to every experience they have ever had with that lable, positive or negative.

It may be conducive to finding other loosely like-minded people, but i see it as a hindrance to the greater conversation.

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334188

File: 1568141466091.jpg (8.01 KB, 225x225, images (1) (1).jpg)

>>334186
Feminism works on the idea that even though a man's life isn't perfect, they generally always have the upper hand in society. This isn't actually the case in the majority. Yes, leaders are predominantly male, but that actually doesn't have much bearing in the grand scheme of things.

If you were to look at statistics you will find that a majority of the homeless people in the world are male, and this is because men are expected to be able to fend for themselves. Women are treated more with the idea that they need to be protected and as such they are more likely to receive help if they need it. As such, being a man is a much more "high risk, high reward" scenario than being female. Yes. Your ability to climb socially is much better as a male, but if you fail you will also fall much, much harder.

Women on the other hand struggle to perform in the upper echelons of society due to this stigma (even if they are just as capable as male to do so) but at the same time a woman who doesn't do well is more likely to be given help to prevent the worst case scenario than a man is.

Simply making it so men and women can reach and operate at the top equally does not fix the issue of men being "left out in the cold" if they under-perform, and it's and issue that goes primarily unaddressed in feminist circles. This is not fair treatment.

Here's something to look at: If you watch violent movies, look for scenes when people are shot in the head. 9 times out of 10 if a guy is shot in the head the scene has a huge splatter, guys brain goes everywhere, etc. Now watch how scenes where women are shot in the head. Next to no splatter, often a neat little circle in the forehead with a dribble of blood down the face. This is because men are less "important" and more just meat props for action movies, where women are treated as a much more significant role when they are actually killed in a movie.

Women, in general are treated with kids gloves. However, feminists seem to only care about the times when that works against them, not in their favor. That's the part I don't like.
This post was edited by its author on .

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334189

>>334187
I think it really depends on who you're talking about.

Look at this thread, for example. Despite me calling myself a feminist right off the bat, me and Toy were able to succesfully navigate the topic of the sexualization of women and reach a sort of consensus.

We've then digressed into a semantic discussion, but I feel like that probably happens 100% of the time here anway, regardless of what you're talking about, lol.

My point is, I've never experienced me calling myself a feminist being an obstacle to convey my ideas. People usually listen to what I have to say, and in some cases they might go like "Oh, I'm pleasantly surprised, this isn't what I thought feminism sounded like, but that's fine."

So I feel like I almost have my cake and eat it too.

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334192

File: 1568142046688.jpg (335.01 KB, 1368x2048, Du04izUW0AEEOKR.jpg_large)

Men are also more easily accused of things they didn't actually do because of the way men are percieved in society.

For example, let's take a scenario of someone walking into the wrong bathroom purely by accident:

If a woman accidentally walked into a men's bathroom, 9 times out of 10 she would go. "Oh fuck, sorry." and then men inside would just laugh a bit and shoo her off.

Now, if a man walked into a woman's bathroom completely on accident with no motive other than an honest mistake, how would this play out? He would INSTANTLY be accused of being a sexual predator, the women would become enraged at him and think he is just the scum of the planet and there would probably be a lawsuit involved at some point.

Now. Tell me. How is this fair?

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334194

>>334188
>Feminism works on the idea that even though a man's life isn't perfect, they generally always have the upper hand in society
Mmm, I haven't really seen this in modern theory. It was definitely the case in first-wave feminism, that this was how people thought of the power dynamic between men and women, but a lot of 3rd wave feminism recognizes that men are just as capable of being opressed as women. That's what intersectionality is all about.

> As such, being a man is a much more "high risk, high reward" scenario than being female. Yes. Your ability to climb socially is much better as a male, but if you fail you will also fall much, much harder.

There's a word in feministic theory for this paradox, and why it doesn't actually benefit women as much as it seems. It's called the golden cage. I'll just quote from a forum post.
>The Gilded Cage is a concept used to explain the immobile position of women in society. The name originates from a classic painting of a woman surrounded in splendor, staring longingly through a window toward an open field. In feminist theory, it explains a simple idea: women are surrounded by "golden bars" which are said to be the benefits of their gender, but are also used to immobilize and degrade when necessary. It creates a duality in which sexually active women are desired, but can be deemed to be worthless sluts. Chaste women are lauded for their self-control, but are also mocked for being frigid ice queens. Quiet, passive women are ideal and yet also meant to be spoken over and ignored while loud, aggressive women are masculine-acting but irritating and bitchy. This concept is a good one to remember. You will often hear feminists talking about the lose/lose situation women enter into, where femininity is regarded as inferior by default so even perfect adherence to its rules will still leave women as secondary and unequal.

What is even more insideous is that once women lose sexual appeal, they are often no longer considered worthy of protection. What follows is a situaton in which someone already vulnerable from having their independence suppressed, is no longer capable of being dependent either. That's an intersection that men are not subjected to.

Although, it's true, males face disproportionate homelessness and suicide rates and all of this kind of stuff, and that's a tragedy. Again, something, that feminism actually aknowledges, though, and something which feminist writers attempt to adress in their models and theories. Pop feminism could possibly often miss this point, idk, I don't follow pop feminism so ardently.

>>334188
>This is because men are less "important" and more just meat props for action movies, where women are treated as a much more significant role when they are actually killed in a movie.
But conversely there's a long practiced tradition in cinematic and comic history of female hero archetypes or strong female characters being killed off to accesorize male storylines.

Male stories are centered in so many moves something like 8/10 oscar nominated movies fail the bechdel test. And the movies that do have women have them as props to male leads.

Whereas men may sometimes be props, women are by default the props. That's just well established fact. Although the death of the woman may seem important, you have to contextualize it as what it is, it's a mechanism by which the main character's story is made to be more compelling. The woman is interesting as an object or a possession, something which is lost, but not something which really thinks, feels or acts on it's own, at least we are not made to focus on that part, because that isn't interesting to the hero's journey.

Now this is changing, but only very recently has this change begun, largely because of modern feminism.
This post was edited by its author on .

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 22f67c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334196

File: 1568142544351.png (488.58 KB, 1057x720, Daring_Do_awkward_smile_S2E16_…)

>>334189
Yeah, in the case of you and toy, 2 people who are generally familiar with each other, the case of looking beyond the lable is likely, but if you had the same conversation with a stranger with no other experience with you other than the info you have given them, then the situation will be more heavily influenced by that lable.
In that case, it matters more too, because convincing toy of a viewpoint she already holds isnt as important as convincing someone who is of the opposite view.

It just seems tribalistic to me, and i dont want to be in a position where im talking to someone, and a lot of the conversation revolves around the idiosyncrasies of the people in my group, rather than the point im trying to make.
I understand the need most people have to be a part of a labeled group, but i never found it to be advantageous. Actually quite the opposite.

A good example would be things like "straight pride" or "mens rights" activists. Sure, both things on their own may be completely innocent ideas, and a person who labels themselves that may be fully in favor of equalities, but if they introduce themselves as such, wont that put an idea in your head that will influence your perspective when listening to their arguments?

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334198

File: 1568142626807.jpg (33.35 KB, 473x478, 7d7a0d67fcb5f9a70df1a674244105…)

>>334194
I think this more stems from the fact that many movie screenwriters and directors were male, and it's a "write what you know" scenario. They write male leads because that is what they know. It's what they want to write a story about because it's more relatable to them. However this doesn't ALWAYS end up being the case. Look at the first and second Terminator movies. In the first movie the idea seems to be that Kyle Reece is the main character but it ends up being Sarah Conner that becomes the hero while Kyle is the "significant death" that pushes her story forward. So it does happen. Just not as often simply because as I said, male writers often write male centric stories, while female writers write female centric stories because "Write what you know." Usually when men write for women or vice versa the characters become more of a stereotype.

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334200

File: 1568142749253.jpg (46.35 KB, 1080x1080, 51687497_241221963498352_83869…)

>>334196
Label.

Please. I tried not to say anything, but it's killing me on the inside.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: ce6b76)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334202

>>334198
>Just not as often simply because as I said, male writers often write male centric stories, while female writers write female centric stories because "Write what you know." Usually when men write for women or vice versa the characters become more of a stereotype.
So isn't this one example of a case where, in practice, leaders being predominantly male has a rather large bearing on the grand scheme of things?

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334204

File: 1568142900059.jpg (241.63 KB, 852x719, Screenshot_20180927-085447.jpg)

>>334202
Yes and no. Ironically the entire reason this happens comes down to sex, even though no one will probably want to admit it, because it's not a very nice explanation.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334205

>>334196
>Yeah, in the case of you and toy, 2 people who are generally familiar with each other, the case of looking beyond the lable is likely, but if you had the same conversation with a stranger
But why would I be talking about politics with a stranger? I mean, is that a common thing that happens where you live? I feel like, politics talk doesn't happen on the bus, unless you meet a dude and really click.

It is pretty tribalistic!

I mean, yeah, maybe? But, you know, it's not like I wear a "i'm a feminist" shirt, and spout out this to complete strangers. I have like a million awesome qualities, and to articulate them all would take foreeever. So the chances of you finding out I'm a feminist, before you get to know me properly, and have a political discussion with me, is maybe not the greatest? I feel like, pragmatically speaking, I'll always be discussing feminist issues with people I know already, or if people don't know me, it's kind of inconsequential what I consider myself.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334206

File: 1568142971626.png (381.3 KB, 716x820, Glimmer_grin.PNG)

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334208

File: 1568143094767.jpg (68.87 KB, 640x800, 38097125_430169494144209_33093…)

>>334205
>But why would I be talking about politics with a stranger?

I find it kind of funny you say that. You're not from the US, are you?

I've watched some stuff about "what do people find the most surprising about the US" and one reoccurring theme I hear from most people in Europe and Asia is how Americans will just strike up conversations with strangers literally ALL the time, which is apparently something that almost NEVER happens in other countries. You being surprised this happens reminded me of it.
This post was edited by its author on .

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334209

>>334204
I mean, you might say that the cause of a certain condition is something that most people wouldn't expect, but does this change the outcome and whether it's influenced by that condition?

>>334208
I've lived in america for a couple of years in my childhood and again in adulthood, and I have to say, conversations were more frequent, but there was a veneer of politeness also, and politics was usually considered a bit of an uncomfortable breach of conduct, at least among strangers.
This post was edited by its author on .

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334210

File: 1568143370412.jpg (116.21 KB, 801x1200, 1566583099243.jpg)

>>334209
>I mean, you might say that the cause of a certain condition is something that most people wouldn't expect, but does this change the outcome and whether it's influenced by that condition?

Well it's a condition that predisposes males to being dominant in society through no fault of their own.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334212

>>334210
I don't think men are at fault for all of the ailments of women? Does anyone think this? Probably someone, but are they really worth listening to?

There are some things which men cause, without being aware of it, and I think although this may not merit blame, you can still aknowledge the cause.

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334213

File: 1568143667597.jpg (22.38 KB, 429x429, 61833478_872398203092533_87412…)

>>334212
The cause is basically the way sex technically works.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334214

>>334213
Well I think maybe that's a bit of a digression?

I mean we can talk evolutionary biology, but I don't think it's necesseary to get into the specifics of how sex works in order to aknowledge that maybe a few more female directors would give young women some more role models that aren't just passive objects to be killed or used for the convenience of males.
This post was edited by its author on .

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 22f67c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334215

File: 1568143844471.png (202.58 KB, 373x467, Daring_Do_thanking_Rainbow_Das…)

>>334205
>But why would I be talking about politics with a stranger? I mean, is that a common thing that happens where you live?
Yes, it is pretty common where i live, which is probably why i have the views on the issue that i do.
I would not find it surprising in the least to have a political discussion with a stranger waiting in line at the grocery store.

But, also my state is dominated by independent voters. It may be why our policies seem to contrast.

For example, we have a transexual bill of rights, but we are also very 2nd amendment friendly, and you wouldnt be surprised to find the same people arguing at the state house for both those traditionally seemingly at odds ideas.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 22f67c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334216

File: 1568143937284.png (137.91 KB, 885x1776, 66b25ae0857743e4ac6c5592fa0304…)

>>334200
Easter eggs!

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334217

>>334215
Not surprised at all!

Second ammendment advocates are some of the most vocal defenders of minorities rights.

It makes sense too, because a good second ammendment advocate knows that the person most in need of a self-defense tool is an oppressed minority.

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334218

File: 1568144272510.jpg (335.01 KB, 1368x2048, Du04izUW0AEEOKR.jpg_large)

>>334214
No, see. You're not quite understanding what I mean. Let me break it down. Notice: What I'm about to say may sound graphic and sexist, but trust me when I say it's not intended to.

Okay, so basically what this boils down to is how human reproduction works. See one of the primary factors in societies becoming male dominant is basically due to how the penis functions. Bare with me, this will make sense.

So basically what this means is that in order for sex to occur, the male needs to be in an aroused state. This is a prerequisite. However, no such condition actually needs to occur for the female. Even if she is not aroused, or interested, sex can still technically happen. This doesn't work the other way around. Because of this, human society in general has developed to "cater" to the male needs because of this prerequisite. This is basically why women have been associated with being attractive and pretty. Because this facilitates the male's prerequisite. This is also why males don't seem to have the same pressure to be as attractive, because women have no such prerequisite.

And since humanity started from the same primitive beginnings as all animals, this feature was a leading factor in social structure as it was built to the modern times. It's only been recently that such factors are now mostly irrelevant, but since all the groundwork for modern society was based on this particular factor, it's been very hard to remove it without basically scrapping everything and starting over.
This post was edited by its author on .

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334219

>>334218
Look, I already know all of this. I don't know why it's relevant, either.

It's demonstrably true that female directors tend to produce movies that portray women as having more agency and self-reliance than male directors do.

Whether or not the woman's active participation is required for reproduction, does not change this.
This post was edited by its author on .

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334220

File: 1568144721383.png (54.85 KB, 357x293, 286139457062211.png)

>>334219
I was explaining why there are less female directors in general.

I was already aware of this and even said as much in previous posts.
This post was edited by its author on .

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334221

>>334220
Okay, so we don't disagree at all!

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 22f67c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334222

File: 1568145017815.png (633.48 KB, 928x720, Daring_Do__responsible_for_you…)

>>334217
Right, but having a trans bill of rights you would expect in a "democratic" place like California, and having a pro 2nd amendment attitude you would expect from a "Republican" place like georgia, but having both might not be expected, and often isnt the case.

Because people label themselves "Democrats" and "Republicans" and those issues have become exclusive to those groups.

Thats my issue with labeled philosophies, is when trans rights and gun rights become owned by one or the other, its much harder for them to coexist in the minds of the people under the label.

Pro gun democrats will hide that feeling for fear of what others in their group would think, and same with pro immigration republicans, since the label has dictated as such that they should not be of that opinion.
In this manner as well, i find it to be an obstacle to good conversation.

Such is the problem i see with tribalism in general.

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334223

File: 1568145045562.jpg (8.01 KB, 225x225, images (1) (1).jpg)

>>334221
Not really. I'm just saying that women are better at writing for women and men are better at writing for men.

Case in point: The Twilight movies. Written and directed by women. The men LITERALLY sparkled in the sunlight.

It's just how things are. Again "write what you know."

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 22f67c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334224

File: 1568145163649.png (400.01 KB, 888x1080, Screenshot_20190628-234955_1o.…)

>>334223
I sparkle in the sunlight.

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334225

File: 1568145226905.jpg (35.25 KB, 237x300, 2514c173ae85723b1d67a62aea2a2b…)

>>334224
I have my doubts.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334226

>>334223
Sure!

AND we should encourage the employment and education of female directors when they are capable of telling compelling and interesting stories ESPECIALLY when opposition to their employment would perhaps not exist, in an egalitarian system.

>>334222
That's definitely a good point.

But ya kinda have to have these heuristics too, to make sense of the world in a consise manner. We can't reduce everything to it's elements. It's kind of a catch-22?

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334227

File: 1568145394782.jpg (28.55 KB, 480x480, 67249985_393434081528763_12846…)

>>334226
>AND we should encourage the employment and education of female directors when they are capable of telling compelling and interesting stories

We should encourage directors who are good at what they do regardless of gender.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334228

>>334227
so close

yet so far

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334229

File: 1568145474450.jpg (22.38 KB, 429x429, 61833478_872398203092533_87412…)

>>334228
What do you mean?

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 22f67c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334230

File: 1568145524479.png (581.74 KB, 1173x1080, Screenshot_2018-08-05-23-51-45…)

>>334225
It actually has the doctors considerably worried.
I've been under quarantine for months and still there are no answers.
If i undergo just one more spinal tap i think i may lose my mind.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334231

File: 1568145526702.png (418.83 KB, 652x751, Glimmer_Unsure.PNG)

>>334229
Just that if you'd taken that last step, I think that'd be pretty cool. I think we've talked this topic out.

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334232

File: 1568145594740.jpg (38.6 KB, 645x1024, 370b7d768f7b866a3c016391bbac9e…)

>>334231
What last step?

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 22f67c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334233

File: 1568146488609.png (352.97 KB, 920x720, Daring_Do_being_chased_S2E16_1…)

>>334232
Feminists tend to argue for equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity, so i would guess that saying
>regardless of gender.
Would be seen as not taking that last step.
I could be wrong, and im not trying to put words in the mouth of eph, but most of the time that i talk to feminists, the idea is that the landscape should be dominated by genders equally, which means if you have 4 seats and men already occupy 2 and the 3rd seat is being competed for by a man, and a woman, that seat should go to the woman by default, regardless of qualifications.

Edit
Reworded.
This post was edited by its author on .

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334234

>>334233
Clooooose, but I only speak regarding the issue of cinema, because that's one I'm familiar with, and I like the specific wording of my post here >>334226

more than the equality of outcome opportunity dichotomy which I think reduces the complexity of the problem to a point beyond recognition.
This post was edited by its author on .

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 22f67c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334235

File: 1568147002560.png (390.44 KB, 956x720, Daring_Do_gets_an_idea_S2E16_1…)

>>334234
So whats the step toy isnt taking with her statement of
>We should encourage directors who are good at what they do regardless of gender.
?

That seems fair, and in line with we should encourage girls to become directors and not be opposed to their employment as such.
Because we should also be encouraging boys too, correct?
This post was edited by its author on .

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334236

File: 1568147265635.png (429.6 KB, 577x742, Glimmer_ButWhatIsThisShit.PNG)

>>334235
The problem is, as Toy and I have both alluded to, that the world is not an impartial judge. Women do not get an entirely fair shake, from the very getgo. the industry is all male, and for a variety of comlpicating factors that have nothing to do with natural ability or aptitude, if you treat men and women equally, women are not going to get as many cinema jobs.

So we have that awareness. What does it mean. I choose to interpret this as meaning that we have a responsibility to be charitable, encouraging, and promoting of women that have aptitude for or interest in Cinema. That's something we can do on an individual level. On a collective level, we can choose to fund female-centric narratives, and give awards to female stories, and stuff like this. We can increase the visibility of the narratives that do exist, to allow easy access to the kinds of rolemodels that women might need, if we want them to develop to be independent and self-reliant.
This post was edited by its author on .

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334237

File: 1568147954361.jpg (335.01 KB, 1368x2048, Du04izUW0AEEOKR.jpg_large)

>>334236
>if you treat men and women equally, women are not going to get as many cinema jobs.

That's not actually true. Because what you're describing is not actually equality. See you're concerned with the idea that if we don't make a specific PUSH for women to be in those jobs, nothing will change. Realistically, you may be right to be honest. However, you cannot say you stand for equality if you are giving one side a boost over the other, even if that boost is there to make up for the difference in status for both parties.

That being said, I have no actual problem with giving women an extra boost, I just don't like that being toted as equality, because it's not. It's simply equalization, which is different.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334238

>>334235
So I guess I just ranted and didn't really answer the question. Sorry about that.

The step Toy isn't taking is that she'll aknowledge that there's an imbalance there, but seemingly is not so interested in whether or not this should have any effect on how she acts.

Toybox thinks, well everyone should just see this imbalance and stop doing these imbalanced things. I don't want to try and tip the scale the way of the oppressed, because two wrongs don't make a right.

Now, I don't like that way of thinking. I think you need a very high level of awareness to reach that amount of clarity on the issues facing women in just one field, and you're never going to reach a point where society is so collectively aware, that these issues dissappear. The be aware and don't tip the scales approach, basically upholds the status quo. And since I don't consider the status quo fair, I think we should try and think of other solutions.

>>334237
I mean if everyone treated women equally this would certainly lead to as many female directors as male directors. I think.

But I mean more like, if the woke portions of the population are content with not advocating for social change in favor of women at all, and the non-woke (sorry for the terminology) continue as normal, and the industry remains founded by men, who we agree are not woke to women's issues, then the status quo is perpetuated regardless of how impartial you and I consider ourselves.

So that's a clarification.

I think you're thinking of the difference between egalitarianism and equality?

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 22f67c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334239

File: 1568148466760.png (451.92 KB, 716x720, Pinkie_Pie_winking_at_Daring_D…)

>>334236
I suppose it depends on if your looking at the problem from an evolutionary biology or a social science perspective.

I gather your more in the social science camp, where nurture has more influence than nature.
Im more in the evolutionary biology camp where i would say both play a roll fairly equally.
So if you see a disproportional amount of women in directing rolls, when men and woman are given the same conditions, it probably just means not as many woman want to go into that line of work.

To artificially push woman into a career they might not naturally want, just to say that field "equal" i dont see as a very good solution.

In fact, most of what I've read indicates that when given completely equal treatment, men an woman tend to divide more on sex lines than in mainstream society.

Its not a "problem" as i see it, just a consequence of our evolution.
This post was edited by its author on .

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334240

File: 1568148789720.jpg (58.81 KB, 768x768, 56897081_164795607870032_40706…)

>>334238
I get what you're saying and you're not wrong.

It's just not equality.

It's equalization.
This post was edited by its author on .

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334241

File: 1568148968636.png (418.83 KB, 652x751, Glimmer_Unsure.PNG)

>>334239
I mean I'm pretty enamored with the social sciences, but I'm not above a good ol' fashioned reductionistic approach either

What bothers me about this idea that women are just evolutionarily wired to not want to get into cinema is that you literally cannot test this in a vacuum. Social behavior was created through evolution, and evolution happened in the midst of a bunch of social behavior. How are you going to investigate what's what? Social systems are incredibly interdependent, and one is not born but rather becomes a person. What use is it to speculate, whether something is natural or not anyway. Since when has what was natural ever been an important ethical or moral consideration?

Even approaching it from a evolutionary angle seems to often fall into the trap of thinking that this is something which can be experimentally investigated, which I don't think is really the case?

But I mean if women really don't wanna direct, maybe there wouldn't be a whole movement dedicated to getting more women into directing role, and a large body of women invested in this goal?

From where I'm standing it at least seems like a safe bet that this could improve cinema a bit.

>>334240
I mean as long as we all feel that we are heard and understood you know.

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334242

File: 1568149138390.jpg (28.55 KB, 480x480, 67249985_393434081528763_12846…)

>>334241
My main problem with feminism is that it claims to push for equal rights but it doesn't. It pushes for social booster seats for one class of people. Granted those people may need those booster seats to be on the same level as those without but again, that is not equality, it's equalization.

I have no problem with the goal of feminism. I have a problem with how they market it.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334243

>>334242
I mean everyone makes mistakes, but I feel like maybe you're also being a bit uncharitable. A lot of what Feminism does is stuff like promoting reproductive rights and fighting toxic gender stereotypes.

There's this aspect of quotas and affirmative action, but this is a tiny, tiny portion of feministic action that has been heavily politicized.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 22f67c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334245

File: 1568149881849.png (818.29 KB, 1124x952, DJ_Pon-3_listening_to_Octavia_…)

>>334241
I dont see how my points are a "reduction" compared to yours, or how my perspective is somehow less pragmatic than yours just because its different, but there are tangible biological differences physically and mentally between men and woman on average, and that's across the entire animal kingdom.

So of course you will see men and woman split in chosen careers. You would always expect to see more male construction workers and more female child care specialists because those are fields of work conducive to the strengths of those sexes.
That doesn't mean men and woman should be bared from those professions but it means that a disproportional amount of men or women in one or the other isnt indicative of there being a "problem".

So if you encourage more woman than men to get into a field that they dont naturally gravitate to just to create an artificial 50/50 split, thats not equality, its just you applying a social pressure to make the world look like how you think it ought to, which seems counterintuitive to your stated philosophy and just a continuation of the thing you say you have a problem with.
This post was edited by its author on .

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334246

>>334245
>I dont see how my points are a "reduction" compared to yours, or how my perspective is somehow less pragmatic than yours just because its different, but there are tangible biological differences physically and mentally between men and woman on average, and that's across the entire animal kingdom.
Well evolutionary biology as a field is more reductionistic than most of the fields in social sciences. Not in like a negative way, it just examines more specific aspects of reality.

I don't think it logically follows that because men and women are different in some ways, they are therefore different in ALL ways. Also, note that I do not think we should enforce a perfect 50/50 equality but maybe something better than a 90/10 would be good?

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334248

File: 1568150501552.jpg (335.01 KB, 1368x2048, Du04izUW0AEEOKR.jpg_large)

>>334246
>I don't think it logically follows that because men and women are different in some ways, they are therefore different in ALL ways. Also, note that I do not think we should enforce a perfect 50/50 equality but maybe something better than a 90/10 would be good?

What Mk and I are saying is that the split itself doesn't actually matter. It could be 99/1 as long as there is legitimately only 1 female that wants to be there. The numbers are irrelevant as long as everyone that wants a chance gets one. If there are 20 positions available and 25 men apply and 15 women apply and only 5 of them are qualified and 15 men are qualified, a 15/5 split is okay because people are being judged on merit, not gender. Likewise if 10 women are qualified and only 10 men are qualified it should be 10/10, and if 15 women are qualified and only 5 men are, 5/15.

The problem arises when you have 15 men that are qualified and only 5 women, but you only hire 10 of the men so you can hire 5 more unqualified women just to fill an arbitrary 10/10 quota.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 22f67c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334249

File: 1568150549416.png (1.27 MB, 1465x1080, DJ_Pon-3_drinking_a_bottle_of_…)

>>334246
I think the split should be determined by the people going into the field and not messed with artificially whatsoever.

If under a system of equal opportunity the split is 90/10 that just means 90% more of one sex than the other has interest in that line of work, not that i need to apply social pressures to one or the other until my observations match my imagination.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334250

>>334248
>The problem arises when you have 15 men that are qualified and only 5 women, but you only hire 10 of the men so you can hire 5 more unqualified women just to fill an arbitrary 10/10 quota.
This is an absurd idea, though.

I mean, I would never advocate for this.

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334251

File: 1568150601784.jpg (116.21 KB, 801x1200, 1566583099243.jpg)

>>334250
You may not, but to many this is what "equality" means.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334252

>>334249
>I think the split should be determined by the people going into the field and not messed with artificially whatsoever.
It's not messing with anything to encourage or incentivize women. You're acting like I'm arguing for something radical here but I'm really not.

>>334251
I think you've watched too much fox news or something, tbh. I mean, I run in some pretty radical circles, and I've NEVER, not even once, heard someone discuss quotas in a positive light. This is just not a competitive idea.

vynn (ID: e7736f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334254

#NotAllMen

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334255

File: 1568150797810.jpg (8.01 KB, 225x225, images (1) (1).jpg)

>>334252
I would appreciate it if you did not insinuate that I get my ideas from talking heads on TV, thanks. Especially Faux News.

I'm talking from personal experiences. I'm sure you know what a TERF is?
This post was edited by its author on .

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334258

>>334255
Idk, I just don't see it is all I'm saying, and I'd expect to be exposed to some of the more fringe ideas even.

Sure, a trans-exclusionary-rad-fem

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334261

File: 1568151199060.jpg (33.35 KB, 473x478, 7d7a0d67fcb5f9a70df1a674244105…)

>>334258
It doesn't surprise me you don't, tbh. The people that most associate with a core of a group are the ones that generally are the least likely to confront those on the fringe. It's like being in the eye of a tornado. You may think everything is calm and peachy but those outside of that little circle are definitely NOT having the same experience.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334264

File: 1568151322139.png (691.65 KB, 963x924, AdoraSmile.PNG)

>>334261
That's an idea I've never heard before.

But let's grant that it's true. In this case, the majority of feminism is not the feminism you have a problem with? Or am I misinterpreting what you're saying here?

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334267

File: 1568151472135.jpg (67.75 KB, 720x860, 66049137_112128750091058_56969…)

>>334264
I think the best thing I can give you to explain it is this:
Why It's Impossible To Advance A Cause Online

Don't let the logo fool you, this was back before they completely fell apart and actually used to make quality content and not the bullshit they spew now. This video sums it up pretty well.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334270

File: 1568151566476.png (533.5 KB, 825x919, catra_soundsgood.PNG)

>>334267
I'm done for tonight, actually. I'm gonna go read my book for a bit before bed but maybe I'll check it tomorrow

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: bfb8da)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334271

File: 1568151624079.png (282.46 KB, 702x830, Screenshot_20190610-113407_1.p…)

>>334252
>It's not messing with anything to encourage or incentivize women.
Then i dont see the problem with the statement
>We should encourage directors who are good at what they do regardless of gender.
Or with the split in proportion along sex lines that may result.

>>334254
Probably some of them though, for sure. :P

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334272

File: 1568151868939.png (1012.33 KB, 1496x858, Adora_superloved.PNG)

>>334271
Good discussion, buddy

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334273

File: 1568151892424.jpg (22.38 KB, 429x429, 61833478_872398203092533_87412…)

>>334270
Well, if you're just tired then enjoy your night. If I upset you, it was unintentional and I apologise.

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334275

File: 1568151991249.png (876.27 KB, 1220x1008, Glimmer_Yaaaaas.PNG)

>>334273
I'm just not into the 9 minute video right this sec. And I wanna read my book it's so good.

(ID: f33909)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  334279

File: 1568152407566.jpg (22.5 KB, 320x320, 67504496_120045219324782_25959…)

>>334275
Okay, tl;dr of the video is that there are a small number of people who are actually dedicated to any particular cause and about 50,000 five year olds that will scream and yell about it without thought that think they are helping said cause.

What is not stated in the video is this: If you're at the core of a movement and you have a bunch of bloodthirsty lunatics looking to destroy everyone they disagree with who THINK they are fighting for your cause, you aren't their target, so they will more or less disregard you, which is probably why you haven't experienced them that much.
This post was edited by its author on .

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 22f67c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334280

File: 1568152564157.png (237.29 KB, 900x1581, vinyl_scratch_in_perplexity_by…)

>>334272
Not really, especially if you're ending it in such a dismissive manor.

It did start out that way, but it seems to me that if both me and toy are making essentially the same point to you, and your saying we dont understand what your saying, maybe the issue is that your doing a bad job communicating your point, not that your so much smarter than us that we "just cant understand".

But yeah, if your just going to accuse us of "watching too much fox news" and be purely dismissive, then yeah, prob not worth the discussion.

My negative image of feminists has not changed thanks to this discussion.

Edit:
I read you were going to bed after i read your comment to me, so from my perspective it seemed like you were answering my question with the equivalent of "cool story bro".
Which, might still be the case, but i would be remiss to assume.
This post was edited by its author on .

Ephemeral (ID: dd9626)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334284

>>334280
>I read you were going to bed after i read your comment to me, so from my perspective it seemed like you were answering my question with the equivalent of "cool story bro".
>Which, might still be the case, but i would be remiss to assume.
No definitely just genuinely saying thanks for a good discussion!

Sorry, I'm a bit beat, it's been a long day, so I probably forgot my cordiality a bit there at the end because I just wanted to wrap it up.

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: e494c1)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334287

File: 1568155059078.png (498.27 KB, 896x720, Daring_Do_fully_revealed_S6E13…)

>>334284
Alright, then i retract that comment.
But i wasnt sure if this was a "thats an interesting point!" meaning "I dont want to discuss this anymore and wish to disengage" situation, or if you were being genuine.

If you were being genuine, then, yes good conversation.

Anonymous (ID: a31543)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  334288

File: 1568155456198.jpg (39.9 KB, 457x450, 12745869_502190146651747_10965…)

>>334194
>Male stories are centered in so many moves something like 8/10 oscar nominated movies fail the bechdel test. And the movies that do have women have them as props to male leads
In anime, females are often the main characters.


Delete Post [ ]
Edit Post
Posts on this board may be edited for 2 hours after being made.
[ home ] [ site / arch ] [ pony / oat / ef ] [ rp / fan ]