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Study shows Americans have little understanding of their political adversaries Mk17(p-hone)!!Trixie (ID: c5a5d3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid:   323985[Last 50 Posts]

#Politics
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/republicans-and-democrats-dont-understand-each-other/592324/
>Americans who rarely or never follow the news are surprisingly good at estimating the views of people with whom they disagree. On average, they misjudge the preferences of political adversaries by less than 10 percent.
It seems submerging yourself in for profit news media that exists to play on your fears for money, might give you a warped perspective of the world around you.

The same can be said for Europe, and its not just politics.
How not to be ignorant about the world | Hans and Ola Rosling
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>>323985

Both Republicans and Democrats are traitors.

Mk17(p-hone)!!Trixie (ID: b98841)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324023

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>>324020
This is true, but im told a side must be picked.

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 12f635)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324026

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>>324023

Your side.

Let them kill each other and then swoop in when they are weak.

vynn (ID: 78ed78)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324027

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I have little understanding of everything

Mk17(p-hone)!!Trixie (ID: 3277da)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324028

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>>324026
Want to start a tangible 3rd party with me?

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I dunno dude, the methodology seems kinda sketch.

For example:
>Properly controlled immigration can be good for America
can get an agree from all of the following positions.
<Only white people and asians allowed
<The current border shit is "properly controlled"
<"Properly controlled" is open borders
<Can be, but probably won't be
It's a totally open question and guessing the amount of republicans who agree is like rolling a dice.

Does it even matter what the voters actually think if they're still voting for Trump? Actions speak louder than a pop-quiz.

Remember to support Bernie to unify a movement against corporate America.

Toybox(Professional Slut)!!Celestia (ID: da0f79)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324032

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>>323985
>It seems submerging yourself in for profit news media that exists to play on your fears for money, might give you a warped perspective of the world around you.

You don't say?

!Slavshit.Y (ID: 12f635)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324045

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>>324020
this

they're even worse when they actually work together because you get things like the "patriot" act

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 0d8575)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324114

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>>324045
We are going to need a sexy name and logo...
Image is everything.

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>>324114
You rang?

Mk17!!Trixie (ID: 0d8575)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324117

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>>324116
The Toybox Party?

I love it!

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>>324117
When we introduce ourselves at our rallies this will be our theme song.

LMFAO - Sexy and I Know It (Official Video)

Mk17(p-hone)!!Trixie (ID: fb8102)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324119

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>>324118
Honestly, at this point in American politics, that might not be such a bad move haha.

It would go well with the platform too.

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>>324119
People need a wake-up call and a snap back to reality.

Mk17(p-hone)!!Trixie (ID: f44951)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324121

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>>324120
Oh, there goes gravity.

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Libertarian Socialists of America when? LSA for short, and we'll also hand out LSA at our rallies. In fact, LSA consumption will be mandatory, to weed out the liberals and cops. We'll be what DSA wishes it was.

>>324023
A side must be picked, but it need not be one of those two.

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>>324123
>Libertarian Socialists
i dunno why but this seems like biggest oxymoron i have heard in my life...

Mk17(p-hone)!!Trixie (ID: f44951)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324126

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>>324123
Nice flag.
Whats LSA (as a consumable)?
I pick my side. I agree with almost everything I think.

Anonymous (ID: e58db3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324128

>>324123
>We'll be what DSA wishes it was.
I used to use a DSA key for several years. But then the server got upgraded and no longer accepts DSA keys so I had to switch to a 2048-bit RSA key.

Anonymous (ID: 17631c)Country code: unitedponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  324130

>>324125
It's really not at all, you've just been seeing too much state socialism in action.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 04b2df)Country code: ro, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324131

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>>324125
Because you associate socialism with Marxism-Leninism.

Did you know there's actually a libertarian socialist caucus in the Libertarian Party? I was surprised to learn this, but I now respect them a bit more for it.

>>324126
LSA is lysergic acid amide, most commonly extracted from morning glory seeds. It's a psychedelic closely related to LSD (obvioudly), though a fair bit weaker.

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>>324130
>>324131
idk im talking about mostly the "democratic" socialists

like AOC and bernie sanders for example

forcing people who make more money than another and making them pay higher taxes and expanding the public sector doesn't sound very libertarian to me

neither does the idea of disarming the people of their firearms and banning certain types of "hate speech" which could be who knows what these days

none of these things sound libertarian to me at all

and before you say "well this type of socialism" doesn't call for that

neato, but the current socialists on the stage do

and so do plenty of their supporters
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>>324123
You're not invited.

Not until you learn to stop using such filthy words.

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>>324132
Which is just yet another reason why "democratic socialists" are not libertarian socialists. Or even socialists for that matter. I mean, I guess they can be socialists with a broader definition of socialism but if they are based on the policies they've put forward in recent years they are a drastically different kind of socialist that isn't even comparable to the rest of socialism. In my eyes they're just social democrats (capitalists) until proven otherwise but I guess that's up for debate. The kind of socialists we're talking about don't support Bernie because they agree with everything he says recently, they support him because he seems the least bad and frankly plenty of socialists are supporting other people over him anyway. Personally I want to believe that Bernie is just trying to be broadly appealing and he's still holding onto the actual socialist stances he had in the past but that might be wishful thinking.

Also even tyranny can come through democratic means so.
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Anonymous (ID: 17631c)Country code: unitedponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  324137

>>324136
Stop what? Telling it like it is?

Mk17(p-hone)!!Trixie (ID: 537e3e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324138

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>>324131
That makes sense.

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>>324137
Stop falling into the trap.

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>>324135
then for as far as i am concerned

libertarian socialists do not exist then

at least not in the mainstream way

>so even tyranny can come through democratic means so.

i know

ive been skeptical of democracy too

Anonymous (ID: 17631c)Country code: unitedponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  324142

>>324140
What trap? Going to ponychan randomly and making posts that won't change anyone's mind anyway?

Anonymous (ID: 17631c)Country code: unitedponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  324144

>>324141
>then for as far as i am concerned

>libertarian socialists do not exist then


>at least not in the mainstream way



I mean. Don't you think there is some truth to the idea that many of our leaders, on both sides even don't actually represent what the people want? It's the same thing here. I mean ya I don't think libertarian socialists or like-minded socialists are too mainstream but I don't think they're small in numbers either.

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>>324144
i mean let's be real here

when it comes to the presidential election

bernie sanders is the most popular on the left and does seem to appeal to socialists in general seeing as he proclaims himself to be a socialist

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>>324146
Because he's the lesser evil. Not because the socialists I'm talking about agree with everything he says or does or how he does it. If the right can end up supporting Trump because they think all republicans suck ass then the left can support Bernie because democrats suck ass.

Anyway, I seen Warren and even Yang supporter socialists around but ya I figure most still prefer Bernie.
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>>324147
when it comes to the dems

tulsi gabbered seems okay to me

although would be nice if she would stop telling everyone how she was in military every 5 minutes though lol

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>>324142
This entire thread is about how dumb it is people just regurgitate the bullshit they hear on their side of the news and you're literally just doing the exact same thing.

In a thread that is supposed to be calling out such behavior. I'm personally not sure if I'm more impressed or disappointed.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 08edcd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324151

>>324149
To be fair, were just having a discussion.

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>>324151
The same one sided pointless discussion in which one side completely vilifies the other over and over again.

Yes.

I am absolutely and utterly amazed how someone can post a thread like this, and within less than 10 posts from the OP it devolves into exactly the shit the OP is talking about.

Words may be the strongest weapon mankind ever invented, but determined ignorance is by far the best armor.
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>>324152
the thing is that both you and the OP seem to miss is one thing

if you want both sides to understand one another having a discussion is best way to so

communication is important

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>>324148
Personally I'm in the Bernie or bust boat myself right now. De Blasio said some interesting stuff in the debates which no one seemed to pay attention to or they confused him for someone else but I'm too skeptical with things I heard about his history and stuff. Warren I never trusted and she kept giving me more reasons not to later.

>>324149
>This entire thread is about how dumb it is people just regurgitate the bullshit they hear on their side of the news and you're literally just doing the exact same thing.

The thread is about people who misunderstand their political adversaries because of that. If this is a "Left vs right" or "republican vs democrat" thing I am only attempt to clarify my OWN side and how I see it. If you disagree and find that incredibly stupid I would suggest doing more research into what socialism is so that you can at least understand where I'm coming from.

>>324152
>Thanks same one sided pointless discussion in which one side completely vilifies the other over and over again.

Except that never happened. Just because we disagree doesn't mean I'm the stupid one. If anything, being so sure that you're absolutely correct to the point where you say stuff like this >>324149 is a bigger problem imo.
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>>324155
There is no discussion happening here.

This is a "democrats are awful" circle jerk.

>>324157
>I would suggest doing more research into what socialism is so that you can at least understand where I'm coming from.

I have no need to do this because the second someone says a word that ends with "ism" there is no more intelligent discussion to be had.

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>>324157
fair enough

i can understand why people would vote for bernie

the guy has been true to his words for years now

he's like the ron paul on the left

>>324159
no it's not?

Ika (ID: 5b4b16)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324161

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>>324159
>This is a "democrats are awful" circle jerk.
What is this? Someone pointing out the obvious? And it's not me?

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>>324161
You're slacking. Someone has to pull the weight around here.

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>>324162
I got work.
Can't dedicate too much time to the payless and thankless job that is trying to inject some common sense into this site.

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>discussion about how one doesn't think socialism and libertarian cant be compared or can be
>discussion moves to talking about individual candidates and general things about them
>somehow that constitutes as saying democrats are bad
really fires up those neurons
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>>324159
>>324161
>This is a "democrats are awful" circle jerk.

I mean we just had people earlier in the thread saying both republicans and democrats suck and I agree with that too. I thought it was pretty obvious that my dislike doesn't stop at democrats.

>>324159
>I have no need to do this because the second someone says a word that ends with "ism" there is no more intelligent discussion to be had.

Suit yourself but if you refuse to understand something I don't see why you're attempting to criticize someone elses understanding of it.

>>324160
I mean he's definitely also said some stuff that made me raise my eyebrows but what can you do? You just have to try to pick the best possible as always.

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>>324167
what was it that he said that bugged you if i may ask?

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>>324167
>Suit yourself but if you refuse to understand something I don't see why you're attempting to criticize someone elses understanding of it.

It's not that I refuse to understand it. It's just that words like "socialism" and "Marxism" are like saying "Blue" or "Red". Yes, they represent a general idea but if you ask a thousand people to think of the color "Red" you will get a thousand different shades of red.

Similarly, words ending in "ism" are nothing more than general ideas more than something you can solidly define, which makes them rather worthless in the context of trying break down things into specifics.

Anonymous (ID: 17631c)Country code: unitedponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  324174

>>324168
There was something he said about the whole venezuela thing that rubbed me the wrong way for one thing. I can't remember exactly what. Somewhat the anti-gun shit. I get the argument that getting rid of guns right now may well end up hurting minorities and removing guns from minorities more than anyone else right now. I kind of have mixed feelings on the gun topic but I have to lean pro-gun for now I guess.

I know there was more but it's not coming to me right now. You hear so much stuff that you just end up drowning a lot of it out ya know?

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>>324174
fair enough

there really is no such as a perfect candidate

hell, last election i wanted rand paul to become president

i didnt agree with him on everything, but on most things i did agree with him

Anonymous (ID: 17631c)Country code: unitedponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  324178

>>324177
>there really is no such as a perfect candidate

True enough. At least we can all agree on that much.

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To be honest one of the biggest things I hate about "ism" words is that they too easily allow people to dismiss ideas they don't want to hear or think about.

All to often I'll say something and have people say "Oh so you're a democrat" or "You're a liberal" or "You're a < insert buzzword of the day here>."

No. I'm me. I subscribe only to my own philosophy. Not democrat, not republican, not liberal, libertarian, conservative, librarian, musican or vegetarian.

So if you tell me you're a Socialist, Communist, a Marxist or Neo-Socialist-Marxist-post-Captitalist-libertarian-anarchist.... I really don't give a shit. Tell me what YOU believe. Don't read me a pamphlet you were handed by some news organization, I don't want to hear it. If I did I would go watch their bullshit myself.

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>>324179
Or you know, you can just be you and mostly agree with a label. Labels have their uses you know, without them we'd be pretty fucking confused. Of course understanding of labels aren't perfect and of course they won't always encompass all a person is or stands for in general but what else are you going to other than constantly explain every single one of your beliefs every single time it's relevant? Doesn't that sound like it's going to get incredibly repetitive?

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>>324180
>Or you know, you can just be you and mostly agree with a label. Labels have their uses you know, without them we'd be pretty fucking confused. Of course understanding of labels aren't perfect and of course they won't always encompass all a person is or stands for in general but what else are you going to other than constantly explain every single one of your beliefs every single time it's relevant? Doesn't that sound like it's going to get incredibly repetitive?

I'd rather do that than have someone misjudge me because they based me on a label created by someone who was not me and doesn't have my consent to represent me. I will gladly repeat my stance a thousand times a week than have someone misrepresent me and make false claims about me based on a label.

I refuse to be a statistic.
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>>324181
That will happen regardless of whether or not you choose to label yourself anyway. You aren't a statistic just for making an attempt at simplifying an explanation of what you roughly believe.

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>>324183
There is no existing label that represents what I roughly believe, so even if I wanted to it wouldn't work.

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>>324135
it doesn't matter if you're actually a socialist, you're still gonna have to go through a social democrat state, unless you wanna start throwing molotovs

it's not like you're just gonna snap your fingers as president and destroy capitalism

viewing a Bernie presidency as a momentum shift is more helpful

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>>324223
Throwing molotovs doesn't have an amazing success rate anyway. Insurrections against deeply rooted power structures, even when they succeed in bringing down the institution they oppose, tend to result in a power vacuum that oftentimes falls to tyranny. If you're going to go that route, having a concrete plan to fill that power vacuum from day 1 is a must. A revolution focused more on destroying than on building is destined to destroy itself.

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pic related

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>>324256

According to Sir Robert Thompson in "Revolutionary War in World Strategy 1945-1969"

>The best definition of revolutionary war, well suited to the Chinese approach, is: A form of warfare which enables a small ruthless minority to gain control by force over the people of a country and thereby to seize power by violent and unconstitutional means.

<The small ruthless minority has normally been the local communist party, but, of course, the techniques of revolutionary war could be used by a nationalist, socialist, racialist, or fascist party with a similar organization in much the same way.
...
>During revolutionary war, and in particular during the second phase of guerrilla warfare, the advantage will go to the side whose organization is most effective in securing and exploiting the resources of the country. It should be understood in this respect that a revolutionary movement requires only a fraction of these, as compared with a government, to maintain itself and expand.
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Mk17(p-hone)!!Trixie (ID: 07b081)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324327

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Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 04b2df)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  324334

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>>324327
DSA isn't an insurrectionary organization anyway. They're reformist.

Mk17(p-hone)!!Trixie (ID: 07b081)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324336

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>>324334
Well good, because you could just shoot blanks and bring those guys to their knees with the audio alone.

Im sorry, but someone who gets that upset over applause is probably not going to succeed at much.

Snowbell (ID: f38186)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  324338

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>>324327

The orange text is more the crux of the issue IMHO, in a nation as large as the US you're not going to see one revolution but many. In the event that government forces are weakened by the actions of one revolutionary group many more will crop up and start seizing and/or destroying resources and infrastructure, targeting their enemies, enforcing their particular forms of "justice" and generally being a nuisance to everyone in their vicinity.

I particularly don't understand why we have so many "revolutionaries" who claim to be pro-LGBT despite the fact that persecuted minorities have never come out of a revolution better than they went in as such things tend to lead to people violently indulging their prejudices.
Well no that's not true, I do understand why, it's because such things are used as a moral justification for the revolution and if the revolution actually causes bigotry and violence so much the better. To quote Che Guevara:
>It is not necessary to wait for the fulfillment of all conditions for a revolution because the focus of insurrection can create them.

And he would know, he loved to execute homosexuals and other "degenerates."

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: ea2981)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  324339

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>>324336
Well, sensory overload is a real thing that a lot of autistic/neurodivergent people struggle with. But yeah, that wouldn't really bode well on any sort of battlefield setting.

>>324338
It also probably bears mention that between leftists and right wingers in the US in particular, it seems the right is packing a lot more heat.

Snowbell (ID: f38186)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  324344

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>>324339

Generally. The left is better organized and playing the long game, "in the first stage of guerrilla warfare" as Sir Robert Thompson would put it. the right is more decentralized and prone to "lone wolf" type actions as individuals or small groups feel they've been pushed too far and lash out.
The prime difference is that the left's endgame is to seize power and run things their way whereas the right is mostly interested in maintaining the status quo or just straight-up being left alone. So the former is revolutionary and the latter reactionary. No guarantee that it will stay that way if things continue to destabilize though. There are plenty on the right who would switch to being revolutionary if they felt it was in their favor to do so. Charlottesville was a small taste of what that might look like, except that when Antifa and the like would show up instead of just brawling with one another the right would seek to ambush, encircle and annihilate their opposition and the more of a bloody spectacle they could make of said annihilation the better. We're talking einsatzgruppen type shit here.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: ea2981)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  324348

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>>324344
>the left is better organized
H-heh, yeah, we're very well organized and not at all sectarian, haha...

Mk17(p-hone)!!Trixie (ID: 07b081)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324351

>>324338
Any "revolution" in the traditional sense that is more than an isolated slapbox match between extremists in the US would more than likely result in its fracture, which means, the most political extreme regions going to their most political extremes.
Which means a lot of people getting hurt because of who they are or what they think, on both sides.
More than likely though, it would just be little isolated pockets of bullshit that really wouldnt get off the ground, at least nation wide.
Very few people are willing to give up one of the most comfortable qualities of life on earth, over what a bunch of insane people are screaming at each other.

>>324339
I would say the independents are the most well armed, and have bigger numbers.
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Hisp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324352

>me
>two days ago
>having my breakfast as usual
>TV in a room is on
>I heard they are interviewing an ex-minister
>She says a lot of non-sense which I will not repeat in this thread so you won't lose your faith in politics/humanity
>Can't resist and turn off the TV

Because of that woman my political compass moved at least one step and a half to the right.

Don't trust Socialism.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 08edcd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324353

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>>324352
I mean, it usually comes with a promise a utopia

I still won't trust it for that reason

Hißp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324356

>>324353
>I mean, it usually comes with a promise a utopia

In the Venezuelan case, the goal was not so ambitious.

Honestly many of the people into left-politics here seem to be on drugs when they talk.
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Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 08edcd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324358

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>>324356
Regardless of the goal I dont trust them

Snowbell (ID: f38186)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  324360

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>>324348

I mean in general. The left has also used sectarian conflict to silence and drive-off moderates in the past, leaving only the "small ruthless minority" who are willing to act on their extremist beliefs. The Weathermen for instance used accusations of racism and bigotry as well as forcing members to partake in group sex and other types of cult behavior prior to getting down to terrorist action*.

>>324351
>Any "revolution" in the traditional sense that is more than an isolated slapbox match between extremists in the US would more than likely result in its fracture, which means, the most political extreme regions going to their most political extremes.

Yes.

>More than likely though, it would just be little isolated pockets of bullshit that really wouldnt get off the ground, at least nation wide.


Indeed. The left's powerbase for the most part exists only in certain liberal cities, the right's is primarily in rural areas, the left is unlikely to ever win over the rural so unless the right takes the initiative and takes Mao's advice to use the village to choke the city the two are unlikely to ever really meet. Minor skirmishes not withstanding.

>Very few people are willing to give up the most comfortable qualities of life on earth, over what a bunch of insane people are screaming qt each other.


Yeah, but that won't stop the ruthless minority from trying to create the circumstances that will force people out of their comfort zones.

*Of course it was that same sectarian infighting along with their fear that Tricky Dick Nixon would round them up and exterminate them that ultimately caused them to disband. It got to point where they stopped calling themselves "The Weathermen" because weather"men" is sexist and excludes women.
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Hißp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324362

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>>324358

What if the goal is to keep everyone happy for half decade with other's money?

>btw


At least I am happy because managed to gain 6,6 Pounds this year thanks to cake, browncoffee and empanadas. #Wantmyweightback

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 08edcd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324363

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>>324362
All the while where people below another suffer

Sounds like no progress has been made

Hißp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324367

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>>324363

>Sounds like no progress has been made


It depends on what you call "progress"

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 08edcd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324368

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>>324367
Yes it does

And "progress" to me usually sounds meaningless in a political sense.

Hißp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324370

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>>324368

I think you would feel proud of what it is going on here.

>Dollarized prices

>Private property alive
>Guys at the Communist Party are pissed
>Cheap beer
>Prices are not under control of government

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 08edcd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324376

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>>324370
So you're heading in the right direction? Good!

Hißp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324377

>>324376

I guess, however there are still a couple of big problems.

How are things orver there, btw?

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 08edcd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324378

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>>324377
Boring tbh.

So many Floridaman memes yet nothing ever happens around here.

The most I see is the occasional meth head

Hißp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324379

>>324378

I can't believe Florida is uneventful.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 08edcd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324381

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>>324379
It is quite uneventful

Hißp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324384

>>324381

I could Google search and find many activities there...

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 08edcd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324389

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>>324384
Sure, but it's likely not interesting.

Hißp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324391

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Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 08edcd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324393

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>>324391
Funny story about Germans

I actually have zero German blood in my viens

I'm basically just Anglo

I found that out because my brother did a test last year

That and since reading my great grandmother's document's

Learn something new
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Hißp (ID: e45dd6)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324395

>>324393

You still like Deutsch, thought.
You could hangout there.

Do you like playing pool?

(ID: da2ec2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324396

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>>324395
i am so bad at playing pool

which is funny because i used to be a barfly

Hißp (ID: e45dd6)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324398

>>324396

I don't know how someone living in the empire could possible be cronically bored.
You guys have clubs, pools, libraries...

Here one can't do anything unless have a good money for the night.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 08edcd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324400

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>>324398
Correct

But playing solitaire helps cure my boredom

Hißp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324404

>>324400

Does it?

(ID: da2ec2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324405

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>>324404
sometimes, yeah

Anonymous (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324408

>>324405

uh... Está bien.

(ID: da2ec2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324409

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>>324408
im too murican to understand that sadly

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 498408)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324410

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>>323985
Republicrats and demipublicans are all in the same biz: stealing from us.

Some just think commies are cooool. Seems easy enuf to understand.

As to the news, you are turning the frogs gay with your homo-ness OP.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 498408)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324411

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>>324398
We have Christians fed to lions in the Coliseum Hispy but those other things also cost money here.

Hißp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324412

>>324409

Using the same logic, then I am not a true Venezuelan since I can communicate in English.

>>324411

Would Losty sacrifice Hispy?
:c

(ID: da2ec2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324414

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>>324412
yeah but you can fluently speak spanish

and you know multiple languages

i only know english

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 498408)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324415

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>>324412
Course not silly.

Hisp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324419

>>324414

You know the language of Internet.

To be fair my German is still very weak/broken.


>>324415

S-sure?

(ID: da2ec2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324420

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>>324419
you know far more than i do

Hisp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324426

>>324420

>offers hug.


Give some credit to yourself.

(ID: da2ec2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324427

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>>324426
im just saying

it's pretty cool to know multiple languages my fellow hispa-friend

Hisp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324431

>>324427

c:

I hope you are having a good weekend.

(ID: da2ec2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324436

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>>324431
it's as decent as it can be!

Hisp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324450

>>324436

I am glad to know, Mr. Mike.

(ID: da2ec2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324453

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>>324450
and i am glad to know Mr. Hisp

you've been a friend of mine for quite some time now

Hisp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324456

>>324453

Three years around...

(ID: da2ec2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324457

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>>324456
i thought you joined our community around 2015?

i cant remember

Hisp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324464

>>324457

I think you are right.
I missed a number.

Those were the days, I remember I joined thanks to a thread opened by an Hispanon.

(ID: da2ec2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324471

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>>324464
they were fun, yeah

were you on ponychan before the merge?

Hisp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324477

>>324471

I don't think so.

Have you known anything about Wesley?

(ID: da2ec2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324484

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>>324477
oh you mean ashley

still around at times

though havent seen her post in a while
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Hisp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324496

>>324484

The Canadian girl?

(ID: da2ec2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324499

Hisp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324507

>>324499

As it seems !!Flutershy is busy nowadays...

(ID: da2ec2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324511

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>>324507
yeah, he got married

i uhhh

i dont wanna tell him he's no longer a mod for not being active

i never wanna kick mods off the team

i want mods to see they've been inactive and step down themselves

regardless he is good people

also one of my biggest fears is kicking out a mod
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Hisp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324517

>>324511

I understand.

I hope he is doing okey.

c:

This is nostalgia time, it seems.

(ID: da2ec2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324519

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>>324517
he;s doing good

and i can understand

i miss him posting too

he has a liberty mindset that i miss seeing around here
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Hisp (ID: 8469ec)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324531

>>324519

Well, I better take a shower and get ready to sleep soon.

See you around, Mr. Mike.

(ID: da2ec2)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  324534

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>>324531
awww

take care buddy

Anonymous (ID: 83b940)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  324833

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>>324519
The guy with the "transportating sheep in a PT cruiser" story.

Tbf I do sometimes load lawn equipment into a compact car, but I don't think that compares.

Anonymous (ID: 5702d9)Country code: unitedponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  325116

>>324223
>>324256
In theory but social democratic nations have a tendency of stopping there and only there so one could argue it ends up just as unproductive. Also people have a tendency for blaming socialism when social democracy fails which can at times send everything back to square one or worse. Both options have their pros and cons and ways they could work and not work.
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Anonymous (ID: 5702d9)Country code: unitedponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  325119

>>324352
I'll be sure not to trust attempts at socialism in a country that isn't currently capable of handling it and corrupt power-hungry douchebags tbh.

>>324338
>And he would know, he loved to execute homosexuals and other "degenerates."

Socially conservative communists/red fascists are wild aren't they?

>>324353
>I mean, it usually comes with a promise a utopia

That entirely depends on how truthful the relevant people involved with it are being. Even then, socialism in and of itself isn't actually a one size fits all solution anyway, it's just one piece of the puzzle and even then it's not likely we'll ever reach a utopia, but even so better conditions are something worth striving for- you just have to keep a realistic mentality while doing so.

>>324519
Sorry if I'm disappointing at all with a few things I said despite more or less claiming to be a libertarian socialist. I just see that as the closest term to my understanding but really I'm still figuring myself out and there will be some things I consider deviating on at times. But even so, I think a more libertarian focused approach towards socialism is going to be better than a lot of the alternatives now. "Full" libertarian may or may not ideal but it's something to strive for.
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Snowbell (ID: 683a22)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  325128

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>>325119

It's really not all that surprising, the concept of "degeneracy" is that particular traits, foibles, fetishes etc. don't benefit society and thus should be done away with. For all the window dressing talk of social justice, equality and all that, socialism and communism only ever really judges people based on their potential utility to society and thus will come to the exact same conclusions as any other variety of religious conservative.

Except instead of being sent to a camp to "pray the gay away" you'll be sent to a gulag or just straight-up executed.

Anonymous (ID: 5702d9)Country code: unitedponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  325129

>>325128
Not surprising or not, it shouldn't be tolerated. Reaching the point where the goal of socialism and communism simply becomes utility is backwards thinking and the very same can be said for many forms of capitalism and how disposable people can be to their employers and even nation. It's a problem of mentality and method, not of ideology. The cult-like authoritarian forms of socialism need to end.

Anonymous (ID: 22af74)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  325130

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>>325128
Utilitarians are the true silent menace in this world. No one bothers to speak out against them until they're rendered a scared cornered lunatic cut off from any receptive ear. Then no one bats an eye about that person's fate until the next target happens to be you.

And no one speaks out for you, because you never spoke out to save any of the people that might've, and the only people left are those privileged enough to gamble on the lofty moral notion that it's "all for the best," because for most people the odds are against them being on the chopping block.


Those who sound the alarms for urgent solidarity against the "irrationally bigoted" can go blissfully unaware that their very idea of solidarity against "hate" and "prejudice," is rooted in Utilitarianism, the same utilitarianism the authoritarian uses to justify his own atrocities.
The only "solidarity" that can ever matter is not that against any one order, but against order itself.

Down with THE law? Hardly. Down with Law.

Snowbell (ID: 683a22)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  325131

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>>325129
>>325130

Ahh, it warms my cold frigid heart to see people rail against utilitarianism.

Toybox(Professional Slut)!!Celestia (ID: da0f79)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  325132

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>>325130
There are too many people who would not survive in a world of pure anarchy for there to be a big enough movement dedicated to creating it.

The only people who actually are interested in such things are either suicidal or homicidal.

Anonymous (ID: 22af74)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  325136

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>>325132
If you're too weak to survive in anarchy, you're likely to be culled in utilitarianism too.

But if you're one of those people who'd dwindle into nothing in anarchy, but thrive in highly structured social hierarchies, it's likely that your essential "talents" are useless outside of a social context, meaning you can't affect your will on reality unless others are living for you.

That's parasitic. If you're like this, I believe you deserve to die.
At least the weakest of the weak, who can't thrive either in order or anarchy, who're truly forced to scavenge and live off the sympathy of others, must feel some semblance of guilt on some level for what they are, and aspire only for the humble life anyone else has, rather than believing they're entitled to dictate the fate of the world like a pharisee.

Even if that meant it would include me as well. When push comes to shove, when I die, I die in the name of Chaos and Biodiversity.

Anonymous (ID: 189600)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  325137

>>325136
>But if you're one of those people who'd dwindle into nothing in anarchy, but thrive in highly structured social hierarchies, it's likely that your essential "talents" are useless outside of a social context, meaning you can't affect your will on reality unless others are living for you.
>
>That's parasitic. If you're like this, I believe you deserve to die.
lol, are you actually retarded or just pretending? Kill the queen bee and the whole colony collapses. And yet the queen can't survive without the worker bees. That's symbiosis, not parasitism.

Anonymous (ID: 22af74)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  325138

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>>325137
Let em all die.

Let the asocial wasps replace them.

Order is disgusting. My hatred for this monoculture that's endlessly swept over the globe will never die.

If we're really so degenerated that we can no longer last as anything but serf against serf, pontificating little sycophants ever in fear of everyone else and playing ourselves against each other endlessly, iron law in the mask of a loving parent - then let all of it die together.

Every relationship is exploitative. Interdependence is serfdom. Symbiosis is only a yoke, inferior even to death.

Toybox(Professional Slut)!!Celestia (ID: da0f79)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  325158

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>>325136
>it's likely that your essential "talents" are useless outside of a social context

To me it seems your essential talents are useless outside of complete anarchy.

Anonymous (ID: 3e948a)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  325186

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>>325186
So why do you feel the world should cater to you?

Anonymous (ID: e7fe50)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  325229

>>325228
Everyone does.

You're a selfish animal whether you like it or not.

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>>325229
You do enjoy projecting, don't you?

Urda (ID: 7b64c4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  325232

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>>325229
Somehow I agree with this cold honesty.

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>>325232
As a human you have the choice to be that way or not. Animals don't have the cognitive function required to go above and beyond their base instincts. Animals are generally selfish, but as a person you can choose to be more than that. Using it as an excuse to be an awful person is cowardly.

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>>325234
>Animals don't have the cognitive function required to go above and beyond their base instincts.
Prejudiced and tautological. Who defines, according to human science, what's a "base instinct" and what's an "advanced, human trait?"
Humans.

The concepts you use to draw your arbitrary lines in the sand between human and "those other animals" have anthropocentrism built in.
It would be like if different human ethnic groups lacked the ability to learn foreign languages, and so, because human races had no means of verbal communication between them, the most ethnocentric groups took this language barrier to mean that only their own tongue conveyed real knowledge, and all the other races were animals because they could never learn the "Tongue of Intelligent Civilization" they took for granted.


And yeah, I get it, some people can be fucked in the head enough to be more selfless than selfish along the whole of their lives, but ultimately those that are only conditionally altruistic to the benefit of their society rather than its minority of divergents are treated most kindly by natural selection. This, in turn, shows us that altruism is fundamentally underlied by an individual or society's own continued existence, that survival will take precedence when push comes to shove.

Because "altruism" evolved through natural selection in the ways that it does manifest, its ulterior goal must be species survival, meaning that the altruism we see in nature is not usually Altruism-for-Altruism's-Sake, but Altruism-for-Survival.
Therefore, it makes little sense for people like you to take altruism and put it aside from all the other basic life instincts, instead spiritualizing it in a way, attributing to it its own greater intrinsic value.

If society lets you live, if it favors your survival strategy, and you serve and defend it, then you are doing what serves you best, because, like all normal life, you wish on some level for the world to cater to you.
If social order is highly destructive to my own existence, and thus I try to undermine it, I do what serves me best, because I want the world to cater to me.


The only prejudice here is your implication that there's something wrong with this, or that an alternative is inherently a "better" way to be.

Mk17(p-hone)!!Trixie (ID: 657c75)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  325238

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>>325236
You're right in the fact that cooperation and selflessness have become intrinsic human instincts selected for because they are an advantage to the species, but you are wrong by saying:
>And yeah, I get it, some people can be fucked in the head enough to be more selfless than selfish along the whole of their lives
Because your own argument makes this invalid.
You paint a picture of the world based on your own perception and cite fringe extreme examples of selfishness as proof, when in reality, the species is made of of the billions of people who work together and aid each other on a daily basis, that you will never hear about, not the ~.0000000000001% of selfish pricks you hear about in the news.

The mere fact that it's even interesting to hear about harmful selfish people is because it's out of the ordinary.
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>>325238
I'm not talking about the fringe minority, m8.

I'm referring to the fact that even though individuals, even entire castes of them, can be prone to cooperation, the greater whole that they form functions selfishly.
There's no guarantee that whatever society you're born into will accept or even tolerate you just because you tried to follow their rules to the best of your ability. People's empathetic responses aren't thought-out dispassionate calculations of a person's moral merit based on their actions, their circumstances, or their intentions, they're at-a-glance clockings of whether a person is one of you or just not one of you. If you happen to be born the wrong person, then no matter what you do, you may find yourself unable to find any tribe that takes you in, because they all reserve the right to throw you out on the highway if you vibe funny.

From an evolutionary perspective, this makes sense, since any individual that doesn't radiate the right empathetic markers may be diseased, hostile, or masking its intentions. The individual in question may be totally benign, but evolution doesn't care about those few because they're the exception; empathetic response doesn't have to be perfectly accurate, it's just a heuristic.
What this does tell us is that biological fitness does take precedence over fairness in many day-to-day interactions, which contradicts our prejudiced assumption that natural cooperation is the same as what we'd call "fairness." We tell ourselves that we strive to be dispassionate and impartial intellectually, but then our day-to-day interactions, predicated on heuristics that evolved with biological fitness in mind and not necessarily fairness, contradict that.



The enforcement of any order means the elimination of whatever agents contradict that order, which is an act of violence. We appeal to protecting these orders by saying that "they have the right to exist," a sensibility that is derived from our own notions of personal rights to exist. But the continuation of any order, in accordance with its right to exist, implies forcing the individuals that comprise it to comply, and eliminating those that don't. The individual right to exist is negated by group right to exist, and individual self-determination is negated by group self-determination, inherently. Just by existing, the greater structure violates the very principles we use to justify it.

When we say "we must have a strong civilization, because we could not survive without it!", what are we saying of those who could not survive because of it? Obviously our concern cannot be with human life itself, only with the larger set of human lives, those who are not thrown into society's burn pile. We are simply dictating that "the needs of the many shall supersede the needs of the few."
But if you're among the Few and you're being sacrificed, unless you happen to be particularly selfless, what do you care of the good of the "Many" when it's your own head on the chopping block? To you, the needs of the few outweigh those of the many! All the tears and protests in the world won't be enough to convince your executioners that the needs of the many might not outweigh those of the few, that none of them would ever accept the risk of being in your own situation if they knew what it were like.
It's not them getting killed, so what do the tears of one "degenerate" mean to them?! "Fuck yours, got mine!" they say, privileged enough to have won the gamble.
In the end, they only agree to it because they can afford to, no matter who else can't. In a sense, it's just Might Makes Right, not some exceptional, ethereal moral spirit that lies apart from all our other arbitrary heuristics.


If they can condone the atrocity that is Utilitarianism because, whether or not they realize it, they work on a principle of Might Makes Right, then I shall work on the principle that my Might makes my Right. The true implications of Utilitarianism prove that its holders are scarcely less "animalistic" than any other vulture at the end of the day.

Mk17(p-hone)!!Trixie (ID: 657c75)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  325244

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>>325243
But again, your stepping on your own argument by labeling the entirety of the species as selfish, because of an unwillingness to accept the outlier.
Of course they arnt going to accept that outlier because the outlier is what is being selected against, and the outlier is the one who cant cooperate and instead makes grand arguments of why all humans are selfish for not accepting them.

The rearity is the one who is selfish and motivated enough to act on their own self motivation to succeed, and it doesn't happen often enough for the trait to propagate a species, because if it did, we wouldnt be social creatures, we would be solitary ones that consume one another and for sure wouldnt have time to think about "why".

To keep in line with your biological explanations, the ones born that are completely motivated by self interest are the ones who are the evolutionary anomaly and therefore the ones "fucked in the head" as you put it.
Which, is also why the tend to be the outcast.

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>>325236
>If society lets you live

Here is the fundimental flaw in your argument. Society doesn't "let" me do anything. I exist within it and it cares little about my existence provided I don't get in it's way. It's not "letting me live" any more than you let animals and insects outside your home live. If they aren't intruding on your space you really have no interest in them.

You seem to be under the impression that society is actively trying to destroy people and that comes from the fact that you have way too strong of an idea of self-importance in which you think the entire world and the government give a shit about what you are doing.

They don't. You don't fuck with them and they ignore your existence. That's how the whole thing works. They don't 'keep me around because I serve them.' they literally just don't know or care I exist, and therefore I can do whatever I want provided I don't break anything that would draw their attention.

You blame society for "keeping you down" when at worst it simply ignores you unless you specifically do something to piss it off. No one is 'out to get you' and our modern society is not constantly judging whether someone is worthy of keeping around. It just doesn't care enough.
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>>325244
The outliers aren't all just ones who are particularly selfish and motivated, though. You can be useless to your civilization by no fault of your own even if you're perfectly docile but just don't meet the baseline productive efficiency. Further, since our societies are so different from stone-age ones, you can be materially useful to this society in productive terms but get cockblocked out of all the pathways to get there, because our heuristics of social acceptance are a lot more punishing towards first-glance empathic tells that may not necessarily reflect how talented you are for other purposes, but might've been related to that in prehistory.


If the machine is the only one that's allowed to define these metrics, why also are they the only ones who get to condone or condemn a person based on them? The ambitious and antisocial get into positions of power and turn their own portions of the system to the brutality of inlier and outlier alike, so why is the weak outlier the same as the abnormally strong outlier?
For some people there's pretty much nothing you can do to make them stop trying to destroy you.

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>>325246
No one is trying to destroy you. Get over yourself.

Mk17(p-hone)!!Trixie (ID: 657c75)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  325249

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>>325246
No, the outliers are anyone who decides they are different from, and therefore outside the bounds of society, whether it be willing or not.
In fact, the presence of some sort of charitable entity that exists in just about every culture since the begining of civilization seems to negate your argument entirely.
The ones who cant/wont are not forgotten about, in fact they are normally the focus of human societies biggest internal issues.

We hold up the weak to the determent to ourselves, willingly and by instinct because it is a consequence of our instinctual cooperation and mutualism.

Again, you can cite extreme examples of societies that run against the grain of this idea, but those societies are still outliers and have been, or will be, destroyed.

Ika (ID: 5b4b16)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  325250

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>>325248
I will.

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>>325249
I'll concede that this exists in Western cultures to some extent, but not in every one and especially not in the far east. In China they just kill anyone they don't have a use for and certainly those who let anything slip that might be disrespectful towards the system, even by accident.

It's less that societies today never show true selflessness (some sort of do), more that it's not that great an evolutionary benefit, and so may be selected against when push comes to shove. Since systemically killing off all the sick and weak can be a benefit to the greater society if you have a tradition that does it in a way that doesn't ruffle feathers, societies that do do this or perhaps begin doing this might have a leg up against societies that don't, and may outcompete them in the future.

So we may have our little bubble, and it may be favorable to endorse this one for now over the alternative, but overall, societies just becoming selflessly altruistic is an anomaly in evolution, and is best understood as a random mutation that occurs in societies when they are spawned, rather than a mutation found in individuals. It's a quirk that can just appear by evolutionary chance when we think of societies as we would individual animals, but in the long run, there's no reason to believe it would ever be favored against the evolutionary alternative when push comes to shove.
An instance of society can be relatively "kind," but as society itself has no inherent provision that it'll be formed with a principle of selfless altruism, all in all, there's no reason to think society itself is a positive thing, and that the one we happen to live in isn't just a freak exception.

Mk17(p-hone)!!Trixie (ID: 5ed4d7)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  325254

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>>325251
What your calling an anomaly of evolution, is what is actually the continuation of it.
Humans have been constantly evolving towards a cooperative society for thousands of years, and barring any major catastrophe, will continue for thousands more.
Just because yesterday and tomorrow will see little change doesn't negate the tens of thousands of years from us walking around gathering food in small family tribes, to being a literal global society where being in poverty is becoming the outlier in of itself, the amount of people in it halved by the decade, and the very idea of what constitutes it being redefined along with it.

We dont build buildings in complex city networks, go to space and obsess over instant communication because we are, as a whole, selfish nomadic people who will screw over our neighbor if it means gaining a grain more of material wealth.
China is a good example of an outlier because they have only existed in their current state for a very very short time, and like russia, probably wont last, crumbling under their own internal struggle.
Even as we speak their people are revolting and shutting down airports and shit, they are losing control, and that loss of control i expect will spread, because they are rubbing the average person against their own instincts, and the average person is what makes society, not its kings.

Its selfish to think that just because your not seeing something that is a gradual evolution in the period of your own measly lifetime, that its not happening or cant happen.

Though there are pockets of examples, of violence, subjugation, crime and selfishness, these have all trended downwards since the first person said "hey, we can actually plant and harvest crops and raise livestock rather than follow herds and move to new pasture, but we have to do it together".

Just because you've experienced selfishness in your life, or you can find pockets of historical and current examples doesn't dictate that the overall trend of humanity is that of selfishness and greed, because in the grand scheme its quite the opposite. Its not something that happens in the blink of an eye, its something that is happening slowly but surely, over the course of millennia.
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Anonymous (ID: a2fb06)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  325272

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>>325254
IDK, just seems like hopeful optimism to me. I would've been thrown down a well were I born 50 years earlier in this country. I can't self-identify with a legacy like that, and I doubt any other culture out there was ever any kinder.
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Mk17(p-hone)!!Trixie (ID: 788e56)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  325274

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>>325272
Who the hell was throwing children down a well in 1970?
On top of that, what attributes of yours make you come to that conclusion?

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>>325274
Sounds to me like he has a victim complex.

He's caught up on the fact that he apparently can't do math very well and basically seems to assume that anyone who can't do math is completely worthless and there are gestapo groups looking for people who are bad at math so they can line them up for a firing squad.

Which admittedly is one of the most unique conspiracy theories I've heard so far.
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Ika (ID: 5b4b16)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  325278

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>>325277
I am indeed hunting you and him for your sins against numbers.

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>>325278
To be fair I have a medical condition.

I actually really like math in concept, I just can't do it.

Ika (ID: 5b4b16)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  325282

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>>325279
We shall see what Plato's judgement says about that.

Anonymous (ID: ee765c)Country code: unitedponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  325284

>>325234
>Animals don't have the cognitive function required to go above and beyond their base instincts. Animals are generally selfish

I don't even think this is true because I've seen too many examples of animals behaving selflessly to animals and humans with no reason involving their instincts. If humans are capable of being selfless, animals are too. That said though, a lot of living beings are not inherently selfish or selfless.

Mk17(p-hone)!!Trixie (ID: 6f7fe5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  325290

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>>325277
I think you are right that he sees himself as some kind of victim to an invisible hand, esp if he is under the impression that he would have been killed as a child simply for being born as recently as 1970.

For what reason, i dont know.

>>325279
I also cant math well. I've been trying to improve by trying to calculate ride fares while giving rides in my head, then seeing how close i came.
Its a lot of large number multiplication and i have, eh, a 5050 success rate haha.

>>325284
I think as research continues the lines between human and other animal cognition will become more blurred.
Esp when it comes to animals like dolphins and whales.

Nigerian Princess (ID: e58db3)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  325304

>>325290
>I also cant math well
A lot of math education in this country sucks. They just ask you to memorize rules like "d(x^n)/dx = n x^(n-1)" without ensuring that you understand the rules or are able to prove them.

Edit: fuck me trying enter math on a bloody phone
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Toybox(Professional Slut)!!Celestia (ID: da0f79)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  325305

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>>325290
I actually suffer from this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia

As I've stated many times. Ironically, much as how people with Dyslexia tend to be incredibly good at math, I've become incredibly good at language, and I attribute a lot of it to this.
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Mk17(p-hone)!!Trixie (ID: 6f7fe5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  325310

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>>325304
Yeah, i could go on all night about how the education system fucks you over when it comes to math.
But ill sum it up just by saying, there was a time i could do math well, until i had to focus on doing it the "correct" way and show the "correct" work.
Tbh, a lot of what ive been doing lately is trying to remember how i use to be able to do basic arithmetic in my head.

>>325305
Well, we know i cant spell, and i cant multiply in my head, so... I guess i cant to ether.

But i can talk a big game, and thats just as good.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 9c6ffe)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  325373

>>323985
Americans have little to no understanding of most important things and less actual thinking ability with each passing generation.

By design of our owners. Keep looking up.

vynn (ID: 1fad3d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  325377

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>>325305
Dyscalculia, enemy to the Belmont family.


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