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Anonymous (ID: b84229)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid:   281955

>mfw people think that Trump isn't qualified to be president but Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 04c2e8)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  281973

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I like AOC's politics much better, but I wouldn't say she's experienced enough to be president just yet. Give her 4-8 years in Congress first and I think she's got a lot of potential, provided the establishment Dems don't ruin her.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 2bccf4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  281979

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Anonymous (ID: b84229)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  281983

>>281979
She is a radical leftist congresscritter from NYC and objectively unqualified to be president.
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Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: d92392)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  281990

>>281979
One of the few good Democrats.

Trixishy!.TrixiSHY. (ID: 94c945)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  281996

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>>281979
I think she's the one who helped Amazon back out of putting a headquarters in NYC.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 2bccf4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282000

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>>281983
>>281990
I have heard mixed reviews about her tbh haha.

>>281996
Whats the tldr of that? We were looking at amazon, im not sure if its good or bad we didnt get it tbh. Haha
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Mint horse (ID: 022ef5)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282001

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>mfw people think that either are even semi qualified

>>281990
You can't be serious...

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 04c2e8)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282009

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>>282000
Yeah, she's kind of a "love her or hate her" type.

>>282001
What's the problem?

Anonymous (ID: b84229)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282011

>>282001
Trump is objectively qualified. Ocasio-Cortez is objectively unqualified.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 04c2e8)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282012

>>282011
ok boomer

Anonymous (ID: b84229)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282015

>>282012
Read Article II, Section 1, Clause 5. Check Ocasio-Cortez's birthdate. Let me know if you have questions.

Anonymous (ID: 835e6f)Country code: templeos.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282019

"""""qualification"""""

no organism that willingly signs and approves FOSTA should be allowed outdoors anywhere but in a pillory

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 04c2e8)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282021

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>>282015
Okay, fair enough.

>>282019
Wait, AOC supported that abomination? Yikes.

Anonymous (ID: b84229)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282022

>>282019
+1. The disregard for the Constitution among most Congresscritters is disgusting.

Anonymous (ID: 835e6f)Country code: templeos.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282024

>>282021
no, trump signed it iirc

it's as much his fault as is the death of net neutrality (ajit pai was just an easy dumb puppet of the cabinet in a way) and the trans erasure strikedown
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Mint horse (ID: 022ef5)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282026

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>>282009
I don't a lot about her other than that she's for open borders and is an extreme Socialist, and not the good kind of Socialist.

>>282011
Trump has delivered on literally none of his campaign promises, and in some ways is worse than Obama.

Anonymous (ID: b84229)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282031

>>282026
>the good kind of Socialist.
I.e., a national socialist?

Whelp!tEfVeritas (ID: 823028)Country code: goggles.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282032

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Man, I don't get how the average American can support anyone but Sanders. He's the only one that seems to give half a shit about the common person, everyone else is just full of shit and/or focusing their campaign on absolute nonsense.

Mint horse (ID: 022ef5)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282033

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>>282031
Yes, but not necessarily. More just right wing Socialism in general.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 2bccf4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282036

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>>282009
I guess who isnt like that?

>>282015
That'll do it every time. Pesky law.

>>282032
He started trying to play the game, which is annoying, and he is bad at it too.
I always wished trump would have picked him for VP. I think everyone did tbh, and i think it might have even had a shot but Bernie "fell in line".
Thats a theory obviously.

Snowbell (ID: 9e6993)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282046

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>>282032

Probably because a lot of people realize that starry-eyed idealism tends to fall flat in the face of reality but then there's also that he just kind of rolled-over for Hillary and the matter of him being a member of the much maligned 1%. In other words he comes off as being rather weak and hypocritical.

Anonymous (ID: b9a488)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282056

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>>282032
Warren and Gabbard are also similar.

>>282033
Right. Wing. Socialism. What?

>>282036
>He started trying to play the game
What game?
>I always wished trump would have picked him for VP. I think everyone did tbh, and i think it might have even had a shot but Bernie "fell in line".
What kind of reality do you live in?

>>282046
>starry-eyed idealism
What?
>kind of rolled-over for Hillary
What's he supposed to do, go on a tweeting rampage? Endorse Trump??
>being a member of the much maligned 1%
Feel free to explain the hypocrisy.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 04c2e8)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282059

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>>282024
Ah, okay. I know Bernie voted for that thing, though...ugh. Even he's got his issues.

>>282026
"Extreme Socialist" by American standards only. Pretty sure she's still just a succdem like every other "socialist" American politician.

"Open borders" is just another right-wing smear against her.

https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1014517624657543173

>>282032
I wouldn't call the Green New Deal absolute nonsense. Climate change is a huge issue.

>>282036
>Trump picking Bernie for VP
Absolutely zero chance that would've happened, though. They're like, antithetical to each other.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 04c2e8)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282062

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https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/eric-zorn/ct-perspec-zorn-open-borders-trump-fact-check-0701-20180629-story.html

>Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the young Democrat who identifies as a socialist and stunned the Democratic establishment Tuesday when she upset veteran New York Rep. Joe Crowley in a congressional primary, flatly denied in an interview with NPR on Wednesday the oft-printed accusation that she is for open borders.

>“We have to have a secure border,” she told host Steve Inskeep. “We need to make sure that people are, in fact, documented.”

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 2bccf4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282064

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>>282056
>What game?
The political game.
>What kind of reality do you live in?
The one where the reality TV star Donald Trump is the commander and chief of the United States.

>>282059
I said it was just a theory haha. I mean, a lot of people were memeing it, and trump reaponded positively.
They did respect each other, missing their debate was such a shame for this country.
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vynn (ID: 14a85c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282066

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>>282046
>a lot of people realize that starry-eyed idealism tends to fall flat in the face of reality
What idealism? What fell flat?

>he comes off as being rather weak and hypocritical

In what ways hypocritical?

Anonymous (ID: b9a488)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282069

>>282064
>The political game.
That sure narrows it down. All he does is talk policy.
>The one where the reality TV star Donald Trump is the commander and chief of the United States.
Touché.

Mint horse (ID: 1074c4)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282071

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>>282056
I.E. populist "left" wing economics with far right social policy, Fascism.

>>282059
Abolishing ICE in practical terms would mean abolishing the boarder. That like the government saying "we're going to permanently "borrow" your property, but on paper it'll still be in your name so technically it's yours." I really don't see the difference in practical terms.

Also I couldn't care less if she's not a Socialist by the technical definition. She wants to massively expand welfare programs which would only raise taxes and/or the U.S. in even more debt.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 2bccf4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282081

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>>282069
He just started playing by the "tactics" of the democrats. I understand that he needed to run as a "Democrat" but he gave up too much control imo and just fallowed their PR teams suggestions too much. He just showed he was willing to change his stances to gain their backing.
Didnt like it.
I would have voted for him if he continued to run as what he is, an independent.
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Snowbell (ID: 9e6993)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282085

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>>282066

>What idealism?

All his talk of free-this and free-that.

>In what ways hypocritical?


He's an old, straight white male millionaire who regularly goes on about how evil old straight white male millionaires are.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 04c2e8)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282111

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>>282071
Well, if I've ever given the impression that I don't support massively expanding welfare programs, then I apologize. You might not have been paying very much attention, though, so I can't take all of the blame for that one.

Mint horse (ID: 1074c4)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282117

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>>282111
No I was paying attention, I just think that your economic policy is naive. How do you expect to pay of your debt if you continuously increase spending?

The poor have enough to live, and if they aren't willing to work I don't see why they should expect any more.
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Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 04c2e8)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282118

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>>282116
>>282117
1) Paying denbt isn't happening anytime soon regardless.
2) We don't need to increase the budget. We can just defund useless agencies like the NSA, TSA, and ICE, and drastically cut military spending, on top of taxing the ultra rich more.

Whelp!tEfVeritas (ID: 823028)Country code: goggles.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282119

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>>282036

Did he? I haven't really followed him this time, TBH, I just figured he retained the stuff from the last time. That's disappointing.

>>282056

I was gonna mention Warren, but I haven't looked into her politics enough to say for sure. Good to hear that she's on the level too, though.

>>282059

Sure it is. But I'm not a fan of what in Danish is called something that would be translated to "value politics". Basically, politics meant to send a message, rather than have any actual effect. As far as I'm concerned, if it doesn't have an actual, tangible effect, it's a waste of time. "Starting a conversation", as the popular phrase goes, is not something I place much value in.

>>282085

> All his talk of free-this and free-that.


Yes, clearly what works in most of the Western world will never work in the US, because... Uh... Muh scale? Never mind the fact that a fraction of the military budget could pay for all those social programs, never mind that a lot of them, such as housing for the homeless, pay for themselves and more with the money that they would save by dealing with a problem that's costing fucktons of money.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 2bccf4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282120

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>>282118
I would say cuts, but maybe not out right abolition.

Mint horse (ID: 1074c4)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282121

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>>282118
>we're not going to pay debt, so why not pile on some more
>let's decrease our National security and massively defund certain sciences so "poor" people that are already on average over-weight can afford more pizzas and vidya

I agree with the military thing, but I couldn't disagree more with everything. Personally I think everything but National security, (I.E. ICE) the sciences, and infrastructure should be drastically cut. Lower taxes for the poor and smaller corporations, but create a higher tax bracket for the super rich.

I think that's the most sensible way of fixing the debt problem without completely shattering the economy, or National security.

Snowbell (ID: 9e6993)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282122

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>>282119
>clearly what works in most of the Western world will never work in the US
>Never mind the fact that a fraction of the military budget could pay for all those social programs

The reason other western nations can afford those things is because they don't need to put that money into their military. Because the US military has been playing world police since 1945. Consequently, is the US cuts back it's military spending they'll all have to pick up the slack and the money they pour into their social programs is going to get funneled into buying and maintaining shit like Aircraft carriers in order to maintain stability.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 04c2e8)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282126

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>>282119
Have you read the Green New Deal, though? It's way more than just "starting a conversation".

>I was gonna mention Warren, but I haven't looked into her politics enough to say for sure. Good to hear that she's on the level too, though.

Warren is pretty good. On some issues she's actually to the left of Sanders; student loan forgiveness most notably.

>>282120
TSA and NSA in particular I think we can absolutely be rid of. TSA in particular is a placebo at best, and the NSA is unconstitutional.

I also have major issues with ICE (as you know), but if it could be reformed in such a way to solve those issues, then perhaps it doesn't need outright abolition.

>>282121
Who said anything about defunding the sciences? Did you think I said NASA?

>>282122
>Because the US military has been playing world police since 1945
And that's a bad thing.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 04c2e8)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282127

Warren also has concrete plans for pretty much every part of her platform. She's actually a very strong candidate.

Mint horse (ID: a48019)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282128

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>>282126
Oh... yeah sorry I thought you said NASA...

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 2bccf4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282129

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>>282126
A placebo isnt such a bad thing if it works.
I agree NSA and ICE might need a reform.
NSA isnt nessicarilly unconstitutional to my knowledge, they just do unconstitutional things.
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Snowbell (ID: 9e6993)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282130

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>>282126
>And that's a bad thing.

Only for the US. Most of the rest of the world benefits greatly for it. As fucked-up as everyone seems to think the world is, it would be a hell of a lot worse without American force projection ensuring everyone mostly keeps their hands to themselves.
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Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 04c2e8)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282134

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>>282128
If anything, the sciences and welfare should be the bulk of our budget.

>>282129
Well, does the TSA work, though? Is there any evidence we're actually safer because of it?

Not my text:
There wasn't ever a problem in the first place. Let's put away talk of 911 inside conspiracy for a second, and look at the actual history of American airplane hijacking.
It is now 2019... the last incident WAS 9-11 of 2001. We will count that as 4. What did security miss? Box cutters.
Before that?
1987: threat by lighter and "mystery chem packet", contents never confirmed by FBI, dogs did hit on his luggage. Casualties 0.
1983. Rifle and a molotov. Casualties 0.
1983. Claim of bomb in shoebox. No bomb. Casualties 0.
1979. Actually had a homemade bomb. Casualties 0.

So last 40 years. 4 on 9-11 and 4 others. The only day with casualties is 9-11. What got through security to hijack the planes? Nothing, a cigarette lighter, 19 box cutters, one homemade bomb, and in one case a rifle and a molotov cocktail.

Special points for creativity to the shoe bomber. And special thanks that we all have to take off our shoes in security now.

So had TSA existed we *may* have prevented what? 6 of the 8? I think the lighter and mystery "chem packet" may have slipped through as would the false claim of bomb as that guy didnt actually have anything.

Extrapolating the FAA website numbers posted 2018, over 40 years, let's assume we've ramped up over time and cut all totals by say a full 25% for a lower, more conservative estimate to fight AGAINST my point:

I estimate 474 Million domestic flights, carrying over 28.4 Billion passengers. Of those 474,000,000 flights and 28,400,000,000 passengers there were 24 men who hijacked 8 flights. Only on 9-11 was anyone hurt. But let's include all of it. That means on average one in every 59,250,000 domestic flights (ones american TSA can handle) has been hijacked. INCLUDING the imaginary bomb and guys with cigarette lighters... that means roughly 1 in every 1,183,333,334 (over a billion) passengers will hijack a plane.

And only one one day, one coordinated attack by a paramilitary intelligence was there actually any casualties: 2996. While tragic, (and we are still discounting conspiracy theories) over the 40 years I'm proposing, there averaged 75 deaths per year from airplane terrorism/hijackings in the US. (Reminder, 0 outside of 9-11)

That puts annual average airline based terrorism fatalities at the same danger level as a lawnmower (75 fatalities per year) less dangerous than death by ladder-related incidents(113), and much safer than bathtubs (300), beds (450), and staircases (1600). If we discount 9-11, statically, latex party balloons kill more people annually (2-5).

So why am I being a poopypants and downplaying airline terrorism? Because there are 420,000 TSA agents who statistically don't make flying safer, soaking up tax dollars when they ARE working, and are suffering when they're suddenly told they have to work for free for weeks when the president has a tantrum.

If we need a jobs program, consider the 1935 second new deal, at least when they hired people then it was to be useful, to build great things, and to improve infrastructure... what has this done except perpetuate fear, sell guns, and stoke blind patriotism.

There are certainly better ways to spend the money.


>>282130
>Only for the US. Most of the rest of the world benefits greatly for it
Really? It seems like we destabilize pretty much every region we fuck with.

Snowbell (ID: 9e6993)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282135

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>>282134
>Well, does the TSA work, though? Is there any evidence we're actually safer because of it?

No, no they do not. TSA is security theater. The only thing that would happen if they were abolished is that there would be a significant drop in luggage pilferage.

>Really? It seems like we destabilize pretty much every region we fuck with.

You assume those regions were stable in the first place, but still, that's good incentive for the other regions to behave themselves.

>>282137

Yes, for once we agree. I am for getting rid of most of the alphabet agencies. Vote for me and I will deport all current and former members of the ATF(and then the others too) into the north atlantic. Via a very large trebuchet.
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Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 04c2e8)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282137

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>>282135
My point exactly.

Anonymous (ID: a9d111)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282139

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>>282000
Nice digits.
>We were looking at amazon
Losing Amazon building a second national headquarters in NYC was a massive mistake no matter how one thinks about Amazon as a corporation. Between any chance of getting massive tax benefits and thousands of corporate level jobs as well as the related infrastructure needed to run a big corporate campus, this is a massive net loss for the city and state. AOC made a major mistake cheering for the company to leave NYC behind.
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Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 2bccf4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282143

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>>282134
I was more defending placebos than TSA honestly haha.

>>282139
Yeah, NY relies on stuff like that to exist though, im not sure i want here to be like NYC honestly.

vynn (ID: ce9e92)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282144

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>>282085
>All his talk of free-this and free-that.
Don't see how it's idealized, it's more uh... putting us in line with the rest of the civilized world.


>He's an old, straight white male millionaire who regularly goes on about how evil old straight white male millionaires are.

Yeah it's nothing like "the rich should pay their fair share" or anything, just evil.

Snowbell (ID: 9e6993)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282150

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>>282144
>putting us in line with the rest of the civilized world.

I already addressed that here: >>282122

>Yeah it's nothing like "the rich should pay their fair share" or anything, just evil.


And when the rich decide to take themselves and their money elsewhere, then what? You cannot tax yourself into prosperity. Only out of it.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 2bccf4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282189

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>>282144
Yeah, i have to say that if the rest of our allies actually paid for their military, we wouldnt need such a big one.
I think its pretty tied into the economy, which is an issue, but the root cause is that European countries and canada have such a small force and they are litterally not keeping up their end.
We also cant let them be burned ether.
Peace with russia is what we really should be talking about.
But its so incredibly complicated beyond what we could really even know. Its not as easy as "get ridda the military budget and fund social programs", though, it would be idealist.

vynn (ID: ce9e92)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282217

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>>282150
>And when the rich decide to take themselves and their money elsewhere, then what? You cannot tax yourself into prosperity. Only out of it.
So you're saying that the only choices are a) the rich don't have to pay taxes because of loopholes and b) the rich don't have to pay taxes because they leave?

Then good, fuck em.

>>282189
>European countries and canada have such a small force and they are litterally not keeping up their end.
Wonder how much of it is us "picking up their slack" and how much is them not keeping up their end because we chose to overinflate ours.

I also wasn't the one talking military though, so I'm not sure why you directed that at me.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 2bccf4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282231

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>>282217
>so I'm not sure why you directed that at me.
>Don't see how it's idealized, it's more uh... putting us in line with the rest of the civilized world.
Because that is a major reason we are not in line with many western countries when it comes to social programs.

As i understand it, the budgets are based on GDP and agreed upon, not dictated.

The pdf that includes the graph im posting can be found here
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_164482.htm

Countries agreed on 2% of GDP and Europe and Canada do not meet that goal.

It would be ideal if they did, but they dont, which is one of the reasons us paying for social programs is idealistic atm.
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vynn (ID: 14a85c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282249

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>>282231
I still wonder how much we could make up if the major companies actually paid their fair share. The fact that Amazon has paid zero taxes for the past few years just baffles me so much. Feels like paying Bezos to be a wellfare queen of sorts...

But still. Maybe not suddenly cut back all military immediately, but surely this entire system just ain't working for most people.

Nah, literally any change is idealistic, let's just spend more on everything that isn't saving the people living in our own country. Let's just let every other country spend 0 on military, screw it all. How's that for idealistic.

🐈🐈Dodger🐈🐈!FGiFL0Ecls (ID: a821f5)Country code: windows9x.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  282253

>>281955
>>281983
>>282011
>>282015
Did you really make this thread just to sperg out about her birthday when nobody is demanding they change the birthday clause?

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>>282253
I'm pretty sure this is a troll thread. And it worked.

Sasuga anon.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 2bccf4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282256

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>>282249
If every company paid every cent of their taxes, it would still not come close to covering the trillions of dollars we spend every year.
Even if they were all taxed 100% it still would take years to put a dent in it as our debt is 105% of our GDP.
We have spent more money than all the money in our economy.

So, yes, it would be good if that company paid everything they owe, and they should, but its no where near a solution.
Good distraction though.
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Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 2bccf4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282293

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>>282254
So who is this person? I never really got an answer haha.

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>>282293
NY representative elected in 2018. Very popular with the youths, including myself. Very progressive, and a self-described socialist (although her policies are more aligned with social democracy -- perhaps by necessity).

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>>282300
You said she is love hate

Can you give an example of both?
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vynn (ID: 14a85c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282307

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>>282256
So we're world policing so we can be in debt too? What good is any of this anyway? National Debt just feels like a meme at this point.

>Good distraction though

Excuse me?

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>>282217

>So you're saying that the only choices are a) the rich don't have to pay taxes because of loopholes and b) the rich don't have to pay taxes because they leave?


Basically yes, not only do they usually take their businesses and thus also the jobs that come with them, but after they've left the state still wants the money they feel entitled to which shifts the tax burden onto the poor wage-slaves who no longer have jobs.

>Then good, fuck em.


Congratulations! You've tanked your economy! And really why should they sit around and tolerate being taxed to death when they can just hop in their private jet and fly to some banana republic tax haven with $0.30 cocktails and plenty of big-tittied brown women?
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Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 2bccf4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282319

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>>282307
>So we're world policing so we can be in debt too?
Well, NATO is a defensive treaty, not an offensive.
We could for sure cut back on our presence around the globe, and we have over the past few years, but we would still need to make up the difference that we see in the defensive spending.
There is no 1 answer, its just that the gap in NATO spending is never talked about that often, and it is a big reason why those countries have more to spend on social programs.

Its a lot more complicated that "Jeff Bazo should pay his bill" or "america has to stop policing the world" because those 2 things combined, if fixed right now, would only be drops in the bucket.

>Excuse me?

Thinking about Jeff Bazos and Amazon keeps people pacified to the fact that we are totally fucked and the problems are way more complex than any one person can understand or have an answer to.
And that shits scary.

Thats why he is portrayed as a supervillain.
Imo.
>National Debt just feels like a meme at this point.
Yeah, bit its real and "trillion" is a really hard number to conceptualize.
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>>282307
>So we're world policing so we can be in debt too?

Pretty much. The problem is the other world powers are fairly comfortable with America being the "big stick." If we stopped filling that role everybody else would have to to start producing war material on levels not seen since WW2 to fill the vacuum within a timely fashion and even if we assume that they don't crash their economies doing it such a sudden outburst of military spending and production is likely to make the old powers start looking at each other warily again.

Not to mention all the hippies who will start screeching "FASCISM!!" at the merest mention of the likes of Germany or Italy even considering an increase of military spending.
There's probably a dozen more pressing issues involved that I could touch on but is bedtime. Good night.

vynn (ID: 14a85c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282339

>>282314
>they usually take their businesses and thus also the jobs that come with them
[doubt]

>Congratulations! You've tanked your economy!

Seems like we're there already


>>282319
>keeps people pacified to the fact that we are totally fucked and the problems are way more complex than any one person can understand or have an answer to
I'll just go back to being pacified. Problems literally unsolvable.

We're totally fucked, so we might as well be content with what we have.

I'm done, I give up. Wanting something to be changed for the better is just a pipe dream. There is no better.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 2bccf4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282344

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>>282339
Sorry to hear that.
I think there is for sure still hope myself.
I just dont think the answers will come easy.

Anyway, you asked
>>Don't see how it's idealized, it's more uh... putting us in line with the rest of the civilized world.
And i answerd it.

I think its idealistic atm, because Europe and Canada arnt paying their share, and dont plan to.
I dont think its impossible, i just think right now its idealistic and should be talked about once we have figured out a way to solve the root causes, rather than the symptoms.

Edit
Also, we are all pretty well off, i think things are heading in the right direction tbh.

Edit2
That prob came off weird after the "we're fucked" comment haha, but honestly, i didn't mean it to be that dramatic.
I just meant like, the way of life we have enjoyed for the past 50 or so years prob wont last.
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tl;dr what both sides are saying?

vynn (ID: 14a85c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282375

>>282344
Idealized -> improbably unrealistic. Close enough to impossible to me. Things that aren't just going to change by themselves.

I don't have the knowledge, confidence, nor willpower to convince myself let alone anyone else now. I'm just going to surrender any argument and say I was woefully misinformed and hopeful that policies for the better could ever be enacted.

That's what I give up on.

Don't know why I attempt any sort of political anything. Have nothing new to add, am wrong about it all, and just leave feeling awful.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 890433)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282386

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>>282375
Hey, im sorry.

I mean, its always been like this.
Think of it on the grand scale and things look a lot better.

I honesty didnt mean to depress you, im actually optimistic about the future tbh.
I think socialism is going to be a big part of it tbh, i just dont think its going to be government mandated.

Cato (ID: 662825)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282389

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No tldr but
>mfw people think that AOC isn't qualified to be president but Trump is

That's as legitimate of a gripe as the other. If one is, they both are.

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>>282386
Mk17 becoming a libertarian socialist? Interesting.

The government serves capital and capital serves the government. Socialism begins with the workers. Unionize, unionize, unionize!

>>282389
The tl;dr is this was a troll thread about how AOC isn't legally old enough to be president.

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>>282390
Trolls are lame.
It looks like they are being fed, though

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 890433)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282396

>>282390
>becoming
I swear you dont listen to me haha.

Anyway, unions are too corruptable, support local businesses.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 890433)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282397

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>>282396
Sorry, forgot a mint.

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>>282397
"Ha ha, nice meme bro!"

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>>282339
>[doubt]

Three words mate: Made in China.

>Seems like we're there already


Nah, things can get way worse yet. We're actually doing pretty well ATM.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 890433)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282524

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>>282517
I like it

Mint horse (ID: fbdf78)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282529

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>>282524
"No problem bro."

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 890433)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282537

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>>282529
its imitation, not mockery but if it bothers you ill stop

Mint horse (ID: fbdf78)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282542

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>>282537
Nah, I actually think that it's really funny.

It's also nice to know that you think of me so much. I never knew you were so obsessive towards me. But don't worry, I'll find a way to repay the favour, but just for you.

I hope I'm not bothering you, too much.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 890433)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282550

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>>282542
You're my everything.

Mint horse (ID: fbdf78)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282553

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>>282550
I'm glad that you no longer feel like you have to hide your love for me behind a spoiler.

You are my everything, sweetie!

I always knew that you had feelings for me.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 890433)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282554

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>>282553
Feelings?

Mint horse (ID: fbdf78)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282556

>>282554
Don't try to deny it.

It's imitation, not mockery but if it bothers you I'll stop, >>282550

Mint horse (ID: fbdf78)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282557

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>>282556
Sorry, I forgot a Mint.

That's not even a joke, I did forget.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 890433)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282559

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>>282556
You know... Im just not ready for a commitment right now.
I just got out of a bad insurance agreement.
I have to dry my dog.
I walked into a flight of stairs.

Anyway, its not you its me.

>>282557
lol yeah right

Mint horse (ID: fbdf78)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282561

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>>282559
Yeah, right... it's just you.

And I suppose once you're finished with all of that you'll be busy with something else?

You know what I'm like. That wasn't I joke, I genuinely fucked up. I was/am playing Skyrim, so my full attention wasn't diverted to posting Minty pics.

Mk17(phone)!!Trixie (ID: 890433)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  282565

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>>282561
Yeah, i got shit going on for... At least the next 4 decades...

But ill call you!


fair enough

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>>282565
...I'll wait for you.

Never doubt the lengths of my retardation.


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