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Anonymous (ID: 983628)Country code: canadian-red-ensign.png, country type: customflag, valid:   256779

>tfw you've developed such a severe case of mean world syndrome that you have become almost psychotically indifferent to the suffering of others as a coping mechanism

Hißpanon !ArepaaIqL. (ID: c040a4)Country code: ve, country type: geoip, valid: 1  256795

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Have you received any professional help?

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People who don't care about others can be unabashedly cruel to them without feeling remorse. Also known as being mean.

If you're worried the world is too mean, how does joining in on that help matters in any way?

I have never understood the logic of, "The world is a horrible place, so I too must be a horrible person." has it never dawned on anyone that the world is a horrible place BECAUSE people just give up and decide to be horrible people?
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j (ID: a4b7eb)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  256852

>>256851
If the cycle of life just keeps going on forever, creating some people with a shot at happiness but dooming even a few to misery, maybe it'd be better if it all ended.
Knowing the world constantly does this, but defending it out of your own and others' pleasure anyway, can be seen as sadism, sustaining an engine that actively creates suffering for your own pleasure.
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>>256852
The only people dooming anyone to misery is people like you.

You talk constantly about fighting the system, rebelling against the status quo with your talks of riots and such, but when it comes to pain and suffering you just stand in line and take it and then dish it out because 'that's how everyone else is'.

You want to rebel? You want to break the system? Start fighting back by being positive for a change. Stop falling into the grey, soulless ranks of those who have let life beat them into submission and are too scared to care about anything anymore. Stand the fuck up, stop being a pussy and take your fucking life back. Happiness is there, but sometimes you have to fight for it.

"What's the point, nothing will ever change?" It won't if you don't bother to try.

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>>256779
As shitty as the world is to you and to those around you... there's no point in adding to it... however, there is also no reason to do nothing at all either...

It doesn't have to be large acts of kindness, but small things add up and work well in compounding into something more for both yourself and those around you...
Let someone ahead of you when standing in line, hold the door for someone as you enter/exit a building, just smile and wave at someone when walking by, ask and help someone who seems to be struggling to carry something, stopping to see if they're alright when their car is on the side of the road...

The large whole world is cruel and mean, only for themselves even if it'll cause problems for others... but nothing will change if no one does anything... it all starts with something small, something that at the time we would consider inconsequential... eventually it builds to something more.

it's not a lot... but it's something... and something is better then nothing.

j (ID: a4b7eb)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  256856

>>256853
Has it ever occurred to you that our most basic intuitions for affecting change in our environment may be obsolete in the altered world we're in?

That all this self-talk about standing up and being the change one wishes to see in the world evolved in a totally different landscape, when we knew that individual actions might make a difference? Rather than now, in a braver new environment than we've ever occupied before?

If human will could really make a difference in improving the world, and everyone benefits when we make the world better, don't you think it would be a lot better than it already is? That we wouldn't see this endless sweeping of real problems under the rug in the futile name of a stale peace?



Just as a bug doesn't need to do equations in her head to understand the moving-wing physics of her own flight, she just flies, there was a time where we didn't need complex laws and formulas and precedents to regulate our own society - our communitarian instincts handled it for us. But that time's long since passed, and the scale of our society has ballooned beyond what our self-regulating instincts have evolved to handle.
And some fools keep blindly thrashing and kicking to make things """better""" according to ethical intuitions that are as dated as a legacy software, thinking that what makes them feel like they've made a difference to themselves and others, really does make a difference.
But it don't.

Far greater people than you and I have hit the invisible walls. The cat's out of the bag, even if you or I have never met them directly. We know they're there. We know this little world, this farce of human volition and goodwill making any difference, is an illusion.

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>>256856
If you want to give up, that's your choice.

Garth Brooks - Standing Outside the Fire [OldiesGoldies]

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRo (ID: 025403)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  256983

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>>256852
If my psychological profile is such that my personal pleasure must involve increasing the personal pleasure of others, well, that starts to sound like the beginnings of an engine that effectively counters such entropy.

at least imo famalam

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>>256983
Tbf, at that point it becomes a numbers game of who derives pleasure from cooperation vs. sadism or self-interested indifference.

At which point, I ain't qualified to argue.

Chewy!!Twilight Sparkle (ID: af98dd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  257033

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRo (ID: 025403)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257050

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>>257012
Make your cause compelling rather than commanding, and we'll talk. :^)

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>>256851
based Toy

J (ID: ce3d3d)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257066

>>257057
Altruism is just social selfishness; those who express "empathy" in public will abuse the weak behind closed doors. Societies where all people are equal will inevitably be replaced by those where strength is rewarded and frailty is executed. This is not ideology, it is description.

My brotherhood was my fetter, and my empathy was my chain.
I cast down my chains and welcome a new day, one where no parasitic, sociopathic meta-organism can tie me down with its lies we'v internalized.

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>>257066
>Altruism is just social selfishness; those who express "empathy" in public will abuse the weak behind closed doors.

That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRo (ID: 025403)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257080

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>>257066
If all empathy and compassion were fraudulent, there would be nothing for the wicked to disguise themselves as; it is actually precisely because there is some 'good' to be found out there, that it can be used as a cover for ill.

Equality is nothing without qualifiers; equality of treatment between all and every individual may be impossible in literal terms, though the post-industrial societies best oriented around sheer merit will come to disregard demographic categories of race, sex, orientation, etc. as these either become completely irrelevant to bringing home the goods or perhaps even become commodified, as with late-capitalist economies.

Meta-organisms are an emergent property, which may as well be treated like anything else in nature or society, either resisted, ignored or embraced as personally desired.
With regard to concepts of brotherhood, it is foolish to embrace it for it's own sake and propagation, though it is just as foolish to discard all possible alliances or friendships with others, as you will only trade a poverty of authenticity for a poverty of companionship.

J (ID: ce3d3d)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257089

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>>257080
>If all empathy and compassion were fraudulent, there would be nothing for the wicked to disguise themselves as; it is actually precisely because there is some 'good' to be found out there, that it can be used as a cover for ill.
We coevolve with our meta-organisms to believe there is a "good" beyond our own atomized good, when, in reality, this "good" aligns only with the net good of that society; if a society supported a more generous but perhaps dysgenic "good," this would lead to the collapse of that society.
The endurance of societies are predicated not only upon the survival of individuals that comprise them, but also the strength of their social cohesion and ability to self-regulate, which almost always implies expense to many individuals existing in that society de facto. The strong and cohesive societies, even those that gained their strength and cohesion through means we'd consider atrociously authoritarian and abusive, are inevitably fated to outcompete or otherwise replace those that have greater reservations for the net good of individuals within them over the strength and agency of the collective. The common good is in direct conflict with the thriving of meta-organisms, as the strongest meta-organisms have ample ability to sacrifice numbers of individuals for their own continued existence or even to secure their own monopoly in the future, regardless of the objections any number of individuals may raise. As meta-organisms represent a consolidation of power, no individual can feel confident to object to their monopoly, as all are kept divided against all by the nature of the system; and any attempt at grassroots organization in order to pose a real foundational threat to the machine is nipped in the bud by the emergent self-preserving properties of that organism in the structure all individuals attempting to organize occupy.

Only the strong will have any meaningful power to affect change in the system, while the rest are all disposable. Any power that persists sufficiently long will eventually mutate to the goal of only persisting its own power, effectively creating the strongest type of meta-organism, and implicitly compelling others around it to adopt its own strategy by the arms race effect. The object of life is life. The object of the meta-organism is itself.

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>>257089
You're overthinking things.

J (ID: ce3d3d)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257110

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>>257107
1) When pushed to the absolute limit, individuals may kill each other over resources.

2) Groups act like individuals at a certain scale.

3) Therefore, resource conflict can apply to groups.

4) Forms of enforcing social cohesion our society might consider repressive and authoritarian serve as a sort of "immune system" for societies, allowing the collective organism to make more choices independently of the will of individuals. This impunity of the collective to make big decisions and even sacrifice groups of individuals can allow the group and its basic structure to persist longer, and with it, in turn, its ability to persist itself.

5) Societies that are less "oppressive" also have less ability to self-regulate, to function as fully "intelligent," autonomous individuals on a greater scale.

6) When societies come into conflict over resources, the "stronger" or "more intelligent" societies will inevitably outcompete or dominate the lesser ones. If authoritarian enforcement of social cohesion confers collective strength, where liberty for individuals denies it, then "free" societies will inevitably be overtaken by authoritarian ones, in time.


Simple enough?

Anonymous (ID: beed6b)Country code: cia.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257111

>>257110
>5) Societies that are less "oppressive" also have less ability to self-regulate, to function as fully "intelligent," autonomous individuals on a greater scale.
Yeah, look at Venezuela!  /s 
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>>257110
Nope. Still overthinking it.

J (ID: ce3d3d)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257125

>>257122
Look, if my carefully thought over and painstakingly communicated ideas aren't allowed to step on the toes of your experiences of altruism being real, then your utter lack thereof of any willingness to engage in any reasoning beyond terse condescension doesn't get to invalidate my own experiences that say altruism is a farce.

You haven't addressed anything i said on substantial terms besides regurgitating your own basic-bitch stoic personal values in this whole conversation. If you're not capable of discussion, don't fucking reply to me. I don't need you proselytizing the same values to me we're all spoon-fed in kindergarten but all later grow to reject once we're capable of thinking clearly. I've heard it. I'm working worlds beyond its furthest extent. It's obsolete here.
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Macaroni !RevGiOKgRo (ID: 025403)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257126

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>>257089
And I'm not about to argue that there is any 'good-in-and-of-itself', though I can and may yet argue that we don't strictly require the concept in order to form alliances with, or to find value in, others.

To the contrary, it is the most recklessly exploitative societies which are inevitably fated to collapse, as they create unspoken tensions and contradicting imperatives which will respectively grow and become more assailable from both the inside and the outside. If any regulation is to better withstand such forces, it would be one where the flow of resources resists an unrestrained centralization into the hands of an abusive ruling class.

The behavior of such meta-organisms is ultimately derived from the needs of and relations between individuals and their material supplies, and to attribute an external autonomy to meta-organisms in your way is to posit a strange form of causality where rather ghostly forces can act in direct contradiction to power itself. You speak of a puppet of human needs and supplies as though it were a unified entity, existing because of, yet somehow beyond, anything to do with humans at all.

The strong are never strong in a vacuum, or removed from their economies, and they are nothing without their underlings and the desires of their underlings. If they were unable to provide a regular cut of their wealth to those willing to enforce their rule, they would very quickly find themselves at the mercy of those who could, with very similar dynamics applying if other parties were able to offer superior cuts and security. This is a known issue under any system of power, and it ties power to factors which can and may fall beyond the "will" of any supposed meta-entities.

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRo (ID: 025403)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257164

>>257110
Point #2 is unnecessary on count that individual needs aggregate to group needs in the first place, and questionable on count of the underlying 'architecture' of individual humans and groups of humans possessing fundamentally differing designs and dynamics, rather than being fractal or self-similar in any significant capacity.

Point #4 has an unspoken gap in it's proposed model of societies, where collective decisions are taken to exist outside of the will of leaders, the masses, and the influences of knowledge, ignorance and limitations on supplies, which are the most available 'sources' of such collective decisions if we prohibit causeless events in our understanding.

Point #5 is thrown into questionability by the necessity of massive bureaucracy within totalitarian societies and the fragility of strictly determined social orders when faced with new situations or changes in material need and satisfaction. If some posited 'ideal' is to be upheld at the expense of individual survival, this is effectively hitting a universal breaking point and inviting it's summary abandonment by those involved.

Point #6 overlooks the mechanics involved in defense, and oversimplifies effective mobilization as a matter of sheer control; resource production and supply are the backbone of any actual capacity for aggressive or defensive action as any style or chain of command means nil without it, and the notoriously decentralized tactics of guerrilla warfare have, by means not nearly comparable to human biology, brought down far more regimented and 'intelligent' occupiers.
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>>257125
Here's the thing.

You're saying it doesn't happen. I've seen it happen. I live it. You saying it's not true is bullshit.

The difference between you and me is that you assert falsehoods as if they are truth. I simply say what I know and I have experienced, because unlike you, I know when there are things I don't know for certain and I will never affirm something is true if I cannot validate it for myself.

So before you get all uppity with your emo ass, don't try to tell me that my life is a lie simply because you aren't happy with yours. Comprende?

Each and every person on this planet is an individual, and they can make their own choices. I will not stand here and have some statistical bullshit soup poured on me by someone who just thinks all people are uncaring robots that mindlessly do whatever it is you think they do without waver.

Every single person you ever meet in your life is a person with a past, a history and a motivation, and no two are exactly the same. So don't try to clump everyone together under your sadness umbrella.

I haven't discussed things with you because you have nothing to discuss. You just regurgitate pointless rhetoric about 'the nature of man' when you don't even understand yourself.
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Also, you ever find it weird how even though all humans are apparently selfish, mean and uncaring about each other, all the movies, stories and books we make always have the good people win and the bad people lose.

There's always a hero, there's a villain, and people in general always cheer on the hero. Funny they would do that, since the hero is the one that would stop them from being selfish and being able to take anything they can.

>>257110
>6) When societies come into conflict over resources, the "stronger" or "more intelligent" societies will inevitably outcompete or dominate the lesser ones. If authoritarian enforcement of social cohesion confers collective strength, where liberty for individuals denies it, then "free" societies will inevitably be overtaken by authoritarian ones, in time.

Except history has shown the opposite. Do you know why? Because the people who fight for the freedom and the common good are willing to risk everything to protect it. The same can't be said for a dictator who's army is fighting under threat of punishment if they don't. This is why dictatorships and authoritarians ultimately fail, because when the entire country becomes about serving the few, the many lose their will to protect it. Greed and selfishness are short-term victories, but they will not sustain you long-term. They never have and they never will.

If you refuse to care about others, eventually they will no longer care about you.
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Admiral (ID: abe845)Country code: cascadia.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257173

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>when you're raised to put the feelings of others before your own to the point where you have no idea who you are or what you want

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>>257173
Hey another ex-regular whose returning.

J (ID: ce3d3d)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257176

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>>257166
>Each and every person on this planet is an individual, and they can make their own choices. I will not stand here and have some statistical bullshit soup poured on me by someone who just thinks all people are uncaring robots that mindlessly do whatever it is you think they do without waver.
>Every single person you ever meet in your life is a person with a past, a history and a motivation, and no two are exactly the same. So don't try to clump everyone together under your sadness umbrella.

LEVELS OF NON-ARGUMENT NEVER BEFORE SEEN!

What, is any attempt I make at a truth statement here expected to capitulate to your value statements?
Economists and sociologists don't care any more about your free will than I do. If you want to motivate yourself subjectively, great, you can think like your free will is meaningful, but when trying to analyze and predict human behavior, determinism is the only assumption that works, and even if you ignore greater trends of this behavior, they will affect you no matter what, so you're better off at least TRYING to form some kind of rough hypothesis than flying totally blind.

Truth does not care about your values. Free will is some function of human environment and human genetics; to deny that these variables have any impact, or that they could ever have predictive power, is folly. Forewarned is forearmed. Whether or not you believe in free will will not change the consequences of what other people's actions do to you, or the consequences of failing to think ahead and try to predict what they'll do to you next.


>>257167
>Also, you ever find it weird how even though all humans are apparently selfish, mean and uncaring about each other, all the movies, stories and books we make always have the good people win and the bad people lose.
>There's always a hero, there's a villain, and people in general always cheer on the hero. Funny they would do that, since the hero is the one that would stop them from being selfish and being able to take anything they can.

While I'm trying to describe consequence, you're appealing to consequence to claim a moral value is naturally enforced. I'd argue that most superhero films blindly glorify status quo warriors while showing villains that have far more sympathetic goals then the heroes', even letting you hear out their arguments, but never giving them any acknowledgement but "Nah bruh, up yours, I'm Tony Stark and Imma beat yo ass."
So we could say it's more reflective of what we currently value than any inherent good.


>Except history has shown the opposite. Do you know why? Because the people who fight for the freedom and the common good are willing to risk everything to protect it. The same can't be said for a dictator who's army is fighting under threat of punishment if they don't.


UAVs don't care about your freedom, and robots don't care about collective laborer bargaining.

The upper class will automate everything, the obsolete lower will be exterminated, and history will end.

Power is undying.


>Greed and selfishness are short-term victories, but they will not sustain you long-term. They never have and they never will.


But greed and selfishness aren't what caused the most powerful people to accrue enough wealth to operate independent of society? Surely you have to acknowledge that being self-interested - when it DOESN'T overthrow self-interested cooperation enough to be a problem - confers some advantage in outcompeting the rest?

Seriously, I know you're just reflexively fusing in value statements with what you think are truth statements when you say little gems like this.

Maroon Auburn!QEUQfdPtTM (ID: 05fdeb)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  257179

>>257174

Always good to see

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>>257174
I never left, really. My posting just waxes and wanes.

Chewy (ID: af98dd)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257206

>>257176
The problem with your thinking is that you are basing nearly everything you believe on statistics you have read and organized how you want in your head, rather than experience with other real people.
A person is not a statistic. Statistics don't guarantee an outcome or universal truth. No trend will continue literally forever.
Toybox is right.

Mk17(p-hone) (ID: dba6ff)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  257212

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>>257176
>Economists and sociologists don't care any more about your free will than I do.
They also do a poor job at science. They treat humans like they are mathematical equations when they arnt which is why they are always lagging behind trends, wrong in their predictions, and have a huge lack of consensus between themselves.

Data can be a helpful tool, but you would think if they had it all figured out, market crashes and revolution would be a lot less frequent.

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>>257176
As someone who basically lives the majority of their life trying to predict what people are going to do before they do it, I can tell you that you're completely wrong on how you think people operate.

I've been studying human psychology longer than you have probably even been alive so your "woke hot topic psychology" is nothing I haven't heard before.

What this boils down to is you trying to convince yourself that everyone is secretly an asshole just so you can justify being an asshole to everyone else. Plain and simple.

You act like this is some great revelation that your inability to judge people beyond what you see at face value is universal truth. It's not. It's simply ignorance parading around big words trying to convince itself it's not just one giant excuse to shirk responsibility for your actions.

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>>256779
As a supervillain, the suffering of others bring me great pleasure.

>>257235
What do you think the reasoning is with the employees you have to work with being shitty?

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>>257248
Mostly the fact that I live near a bunch of ghetto neighborhoods with really shitty school systems.

It's an overall pretty toxic environment where kids grow up ignorant on productive ways to succeed. They are surrounded by people scrounging everything they can to make ends meet and in turn believe that taking everything you can get, even by force is the only way to succeed because they haven't had the opportunity to see more productive paths.

So they grow up ignorant not only to the problems of others but also academically, because nothing they learn in school has a practical application in their lives, so they basically just tune it out in favor of things they THINK are more important.
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Macaroni !RevGiOKgRo (ID: 025403)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257282

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One also wonders why free(ish) societies ever arose in the first place, if borg-like hellzones are the not only the only societies that can ever remain standing, but also that such hellzones will somehow maintain themselves against all forces of necessity, material loss/gain, forms of production becoming dated, and even human nature itself as anyone understands it.

If it was some faction like >Jews or >SJWs that was behind freedom ever having been so much as a dream, one then must ask why, assuming all of these assumptions, they would destroy their own source of material benefit or not just maintain their supposed leadership.

Short answer is, Toybox is basically right.

Mythix(pchans supervillian)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 683dc8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  257295

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>>257267
That does makes sense.

Anonymous (ID: 33ff6e)Country code: canadian-red-ensign.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257300

>>257282
We only have as much freedom as is practical and enforceable. China has struck a very good balance for how large they are, and they are about as good as you can get in a large society, especially one with competition like the North America, Japan, Europe and Africa.
99% of our so-called "freedoms" are just symbolic bullshit anyways. Like seatbelts on an aeroplane, they make you feel a bit safer, but if shit goes seriously wrong you're fucked either way.
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Anonymous (ID: 33ff6e)Country code: canadian-red-ensign.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257301

>>257300
addendum: people in the US are still hung up on taxes for healthcare. My country is marginally better in that area, but still at this point, fuck it; total authoritarian technocracy. China model. At the end of the day I don't give a shit about your principles and rights. Get the fuck in line.
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>>257300
You're confusing freedom with complacency.

Having freedom doesn't mean you don't have to worry or be prepared. It simply means you have options. The consequences of those choices still apply.

When you become complacent in the idea that you are fully protected because of your position in life, that is when the pillar you've put yourself on falls apart. Freedom and immunity are not the same thing, yet too many people seem to think they mean the same thing.
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Anonymous (ID: 646908)Country code: canadian-red-ensign.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257303

>>257302
What freedoms does America have that China doesn't have, for 99% of people?
You can own a gun you don't need? Guns are fun, sure. But not the be-all and end-all.

You can shit on the government and they can't do anything? The only difference between the US and China is that the US understands that most people who talk shit about the government aren't a threat, and nobody will listen to them. And if you are saying stuff that legitimately becomes a threat to them, they will shut you down anyway.


All of the freedoms people regularly espouse as being valuable are illusory at best. Including guns. Even if you give everyone a full-auto machine gun and a sniper rifle to put in their basement, 99% of people still aren't gonna do shit if the government decides to come and fuck them over.

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>>257303
>What freedoms does America have that China doesn't have, for 99% of people?

We can make fun of our leader without him banning a fictional teddy bear.

We can use Google.

We have rights as workers.

We can say what we want without worrying about getting arrested for it.

We don't have to import air from Canada because there are next to no environmental restrictions on industry.
(https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/15/asia/china-canadian-company-selling-clean-air/index.html)

>You can own a gun you don't need? Guns are fun, sure. But not the be-all and end-all.


Do I look like the type of person that gives two shits about owning a gun?
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Chewy (ID: af98dd)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257324

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>unironically defending China

Mk17(p-hone) (ID: 39e6f3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  257328

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>>257303

Not to mention, we are allowed to remeber events that happened in our lives without fear of punishment.
We are allowed to search "june 4th" on the internet without our service being cut off.
We are allowed to protest without being exicuted.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests

But yeah, china has all the same freedoms, as long as freedom includes only being allowed to agnolage a fabricated history or face exicution if you dont like it.

(ID: 19fc14)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  257331

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>>257324
it's depressing these types of people exist

Anonymous (ID: 646908)Country code: canadian-red-ensign.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257339

>>257328
Right. All they do in the US is ignore you when you protest. Protesting seems silly anyway. Like why wave a bunch of signs around? Big waste of resources to police.

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRo (ID: 025403)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257340

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Mk17(p-hone) (ID: 39e6f3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  257347

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>>257339
You personally not seeing the value in free speech is not a very good counter point.

There are more forms of protest than simply "waving signs around".

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRo (ID: dd05a8)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257492

>>257347
>There are more forms of protest than simply "waving signs around".

*1776 intensifies*

Anonymous (ID: 46c923)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  257561

>tfw you've become so cynical you get joy from bad news
>some gay ass deer goes extinct
>Notre Dame fire
>family member dies
All of these things actually gave me a little bit of pleasure, hearing about them. My first thought on the deer going extinct was literally "good, fuck them" I know it's edgy as fuck and childish... how do I stop thinking like this it's a fucking hell

Anonymous (ID: aadaff)Country code: dk, country type: geoip, valid: 1  257642

>>257561
If you can get access to one a psychologist could definitely help.

Idk what kind of thought structure underlies the response, so I can't really make any good suggestions.


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