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Suspect shot dead at lostpony's job a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: cdcf3e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid:   242801[Last 50 Posts]

Wow, got to see my weekend job on the news at my weekday job.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.ktvu.com/news/officer-involved-shooting-in-san-leandro

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/03/13/deputies-respond-to-san-leandro-officer-involved-shooting/amp/

And yes, if you call that place and ask for a lost pony theyre gonna know who you are asking about. Ha.

I almost dropped in there on my way between courthouses today, but by the time it happened i was already tucked in at my other job so i was doomed to miss it anyway.

Lets make this a police shooting thread.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: cdcf3e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  242804

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>>242801
Oh drat i shoulda used this pic, today i finally found myself almost unattended enuf to take a snap of Ponk at court.

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>>242804
But what is her role at the court?

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That's where you work? Good thing you weren't there.

Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 917cd5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  242827

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The important thing is that the dog is okay.

At least there will be plenty to talk about when you get to work.

Shiny Puppy (Element of Fleas) (ID: 90bcd7)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  242876

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Trying to run folks over after robbing a thrift store, a thrift store. You'd be stealing maybe hundreds of dollars worth of stuff. They probably wouldn't even both doing anything but make you put it back. I hope they enjoy being dead and getting their girlfriend shot.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: cdcf3e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  242923

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>>242876
Presumably the person had another reason, perhaps a warrant or on too much meth to properly make decisions.

>>242827
>important that dog is ok
I thought the same thing

>>242820
Theres plenty of excitement even having missed this one

>>242804
Translator? I told someone she's my lawyer.

­Tr­­­a­­­c­er B­­ull­­­­e­t (ID: fd498c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  242927

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>>242923
>on too much meth to properly make decisions.

This is the primary reason I don't like the idea of legalizing all recreational drugs. Certain ones, like Meth, can cause you to do really stupid shit that can not only endanger yourself, but others as well.

Stuff like weed is fine because that one just makes you lazy, hungry and stupid. But hard shit like cocaine and meth need to stay outlawed specifically because it can cause people to flip out and fuck shit up for other people.
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a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 2a164d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  242934

>>242929

I don't know how many people know this but, Crystal Meth has gotten real cheap now cuz it's coming in from Mexico in massive quantities, dissolved in water underneath diesel in fuel tanks., So it's not just for criminals anymore but a lot of low-income farm workers are huffing it like candy and it's causing a shit-ton of health problems across a much wider population than it used to.

Coming right into the Central Valley where it's reclaimed easily in rented houses and stuff. Major problem now.

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>>242934
I wish people didn't feel the need to waste their time and money on this stuff. It's kinda sad.

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>>242936
it's called addiction

this happens when your life is fucking miserable

ive seen people on meth and yes it is sad
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>>242941
I just don't understand how this shit starts.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't remember ever hearing a story like, "Oh, you know Tom? Yeah, Tom started doing meth, and then went on to have a successful career, a happy family and a great retirement."

Doesn't happen. Ever. Every single story about meth or crack is bascally like, "Yeah, that guy ended up dead in a gutter." Who sees these stories and is like, "Yeah. That right there is the life I want. Miserable and dead in a gutter. Where do I sign up?" How does that even happen?

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>>242954
it usually doesnt happen to people who are living a good life

it usually happens to those who are poor with nothing to live for

some people do drugs to ease the pain

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>>242958
I still don't get it.

"I'm too poor for food, so I'm just gonna spend what little money I have on this thing that won't sustain me and will make my life worse than it already is."

10/10. You sure done did a thought.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  242977

>>242801
>Lets make this a police shooting thread.
if I could be so lucky

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>>242977
I was a bit confused by this as well.

>man literally tries to run them over

>they fire at him in self defense trying to get him to stop

>MAN ALL THESE POLICE SHOOTINGS, YA KNOW.

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>>242961
you may not get it but thats how some people end up

⛵☎!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243004

>>242987 There are certainly more convenient ways to get shot by the police.

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>>243004
Or you could just not. That's an option too.

⛵☎!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243012

>>243006 that's boring.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 2a164d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243015

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>>242987
It's better than that, the dead driver is black, the passenger who got holed but not dead is white.

One of the management concerns is that there might be cop shootings protests clogging up our business.

Personally, all I care about is that people donate ponies and that I beat the kids to them once they are priced and put on the floor.


>>242961
>>242954

What you are doing is what in Aa we call "playing the tape". It's how we look beyond the short-term craving to where we always end up, to avoid the impulse to get a fix, and those who believe the "drugs are baad" pitch can do this too.

However, those who have dabbled cuz it's "cool" or "fun" especially when their friends are doing it, either don't look ahead or just figure that's the other guy. So many shares include "I never thought it was gonna be me" type stuff.

There is a significant honeymoon period where you can still keep your job, with Meth you might even do your job better especially if you were up drinking all night and need to spiff up to get the workday done without getting fired, etc. Lots of people use drugs without ending up in the eventual ending bad-time because they either manage to be responsible about their consumption (party on the weekends etc) or quit before it gets that bad. There is a LOT more use than just those gutter-snoozing destroyed folks.

Meth was very expensive in the past, like when I was dabbling with it in the 90's with some biker types, or the very strong crystal that was out more recently. Such that minimum-wage farm workers who didn't want to steal really didn't have much of an option to use it. But now, even shit-level laborers can afford to be wired every fucking day so, it's a lot more easy to get in over your head than before.


>>243004
I dunno, trying to kill a cop on a routine traffic stop is a pretty fast way to SBC.

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>>243012
I personally find not being dead pretty okay.

⛵☎!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243018

>>243015 why wait for a traffic stop?
>>243017 booooring.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 2a164d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243020

>>243017
>hangs out on pchan
>doesn't grasp that may people kinda wanna be dead

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>>243015
>car is trying to run you over
>you aim for the driver because shooting the passenger isn't going to stop the fucking car
>the driver happens be black

>It's a racial thing


Are people having a fucking giggle?

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 2a164d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243022

>>243018
I'm really getting the feeling that there's something you'd like to share on this topic, Boat.

Spill it.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 2a164d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243023

>>243021

>thinks rationality or facts have any bearing on racist-callers

⛵☎!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243027

>>243022 SBC is a viable option that shouldn't be taken off the table

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>>243020
I never understood this either. Seems like an overreaction to a small problem.

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>>243027
Really weird flex, tbh.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 2a164d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243047

>>243028
active suicidal ideation is an overreaction, but wanting to be dead and not actually doing anything about it is more an effect of brain chemistry.

They're entirely different things.

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>>243047
Still doesn't make sense to me, but whatever, I guess.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 2a164d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243058

>>243054
it doesn't really make sense to me, that it doesn't make sense to you, but...ok.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 2a164d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243063

>>243027
I'd personally rather fight a lot of them than just get shot in my car, but such scenarios have risk of getting taken alive.

Getting splattered while sitting really just doesn't seem an appealing way to go out, to me, but I prefer extra excitement over certain outcome.

Why's SBC on your mind, Boat?

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>>243058
I've just never had the desire to be dead before.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243071

>>243063 because you made a thread about being shot by police

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 2a164d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243095

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>>243071
Boorrring

>>243069
I have. But, I didn't really want to do anything about it.

Fortunately, I don't feel that way all the time, though I generally really wouldn't mind being killed if it were for some purpose that I would otherwise support. But that's something different. I guess.

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>>243095
I can't think of any purpose I could support that would warrant that short of "if you don't die the entire Earth is killed".

Then I may consider it.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 2a164d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243101

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>>243097
At this point, I'd be happy to step in front of a bullet for someone I genuinely believe would be better than me at accomplishing the things I want accomplished.

Unfortunately, I'll probably end up living a long slow suffering time and accomplish none of the things I really want done, but oh well. Fate is fucked up like that. All I can do is put one foot in front of the other each day and see what happens. A chance to die well is always theoretically possible, anyway.

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>>243101
>I'd be happy to step in front of a bullet for someone I genuinely believe would be better than me at accomplishing the things I want accomplished.

I know that I'm jaded about this, but I've always been part of the "If you want something done right, do it yourself." crowd, so I don't think I could trust anyone to not fuck it up.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 2a164d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243115

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>>243112
I used to be that way too, but then I fucked everything up.

Being more or less useless goes a long way in being ready to delegate.

Apparently I'm still good at some things though, so there's plenty of work still to be done before cashing it in so, whatev.

I'm feeling kinda off so I should probably take a break before I end up just being mean to people and end up pissing everyone off.

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>>243115
Personally I think you're too hard on yourself. Seems to me that your dealing with a lot of stress and you're trying to suppress it, and that's not good for you. I know we haven't always seen eye to eye on things but I hope you can figure out something to make yourself feel better.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 2a164d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243122

>>243119
thanks, youre pretty awesome.

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>>243122
No more than anyone here. I think I'm just more willing to express it. You, Z, and others are awesome in your own ways, and I hope one day you can find a way to let other people see it.

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>>243126
I vote toybox for awesomest poster.

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>>243159
I just do what I tell other people to do.

Be honest with yourself and others. Don't sell yourself short, don't pretend to be something you're not. It's like I've said a few dozen times already, humility is not about presenting yourself as less than you are, it's about not presenting yourself as more than you are.

If people want to think I'm awesome I'm fine with that. I'd like them to think they can be awesome too.

Urda (ID: db2d00)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243164

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>>242801
Why has no one found you yet?

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRo (ID: cbdf2d)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  243177

>>242961
I mean you have the same mechanism behind suicide or drug abuses in general going on there, "anything to make the pain end, even if just for a little bit", etc.

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>>243177
Maybe that part of my brain doesn't work because I've never been suicidal or been the type to get into that mindset.

I'm the type of person that doesn't really give up, regardless of how bad the situation is. This even carries over in video games when I play with friends and I jump into what seems to be an unwinnable situation and they go, "You're fucking nuts."

Sometimes it is unwinnable and I don't succeed. But I make sure that I'm still fighting until that last HP drops to zero.

Pic related. I accidentally fell into a pit with a Deathclaw and was level 6. All I had was an unupgraded double barreled shotgun, a knife and 4 grenades.

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>>243180
And just to make it clear....

(Check the HP numbers)

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRo (ID: cbdf2d)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  243182

>>243180
Ok, imagine if I left you strapped to a table in my basement and had ASMR tracks on loop, and you didn't know how long this would go on.

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>>243182
At that point I would be more worried about dying than the ASMR but I would probably start trying to figure out if there was some way of getting out of the straps.

I've been tied up before, I'm willing to hurt myself to get free.

Protip: If you're ever being tied up, flex as much as you can and puff yourself up as big as possible. That way when they finish tying and you relax you will have wiggle room. It's one of the tricks magicians use to escape being bound.
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-Z- (ID: cd7e09)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  243211

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>>243200
Imagine this

You wake up from a deep slumber into a large white room. Or at least you assume it's a room, as there does not seem to be any visible walls. Looking around, there are no walls, no visible ceiling, and the ground you're resting on is tangible with no defining features. You notice that as you stand that you don't produce a shadow of any kind, even with the amount of light around you.

Yelling out provides no response, not even an echo to answer back. With nothing to reference, you start to lose track of time. Am I dead, you ask yourself, and with a quick pinch you find that you still have feeling so you're not dead... at least not yet. Walking in any direction provides little to no results, as there's nothing visible to walk to. Time passes without your knowing, for how would you know what time it was anyway. No watch, no sun to look at, no phone to check, just vast empty voids of white... stretching out for what looks like eternity.

You strive to never give in, and to keep trying new things. You try to dig out, but there's no progress as your attempts seem futile at best. You leave a shoe behind to measure the distance you travel, but you always seem to come back to it no matter how far you walk. Hours pass, or what you think are hours, and you're surprised that no sense of hunger or fatigue has set in. You feel like you've been awake for days... or was it minutes... at this point you decide it's pointless to know. Enough time has passed though, and in any normal situation you'd surely have to eat soon.

There is no food, there's no water, no need it seems for any of it. No sense of direction, no desire to progress, no need to even relieve yourself. There doesn't seem to be a need or want to do anything, or even a point to anything. You're driving yourself mad with memories of how life used to be, of what you used to do and need to accomplish day in and day out. With where you are now, you seem to be unable to do anything...

So what's the point... why even do anything... if you're just stuck where you are... in a room with no walls, no ceiling, and no echo to answer.


depression... short hand...
I have no actual idea where I was going with that... but I kept going with it anyway...

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRo (ID: cbdf2d)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  243212

>>243200
As much as I appreciate the tip, I would like to think you can at least have an inkling of the frame of mind I'm trying to get at, here?

Mk17 (ID: 4a65cd)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243219

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>>243027
>SBC is a viable option that shouldn't be taken off the table
You see putting someone through a lifetime of emotional trauma for your own selfish reasons as a viable option?

I hope you are being facetious.
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>>243211
At that point there is no difference between life and death.

Thing is that is a completely unrealistic experience. Real life isn't like that, even with depression.

>>243212
>I would like to think you can at least have an inkling of the frame of mind I'm trying to get at, here?

I actually don't, really.
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>>243227
>unrealistic experience
>real life isn't like that
certainly feels like it...
but forget it, no one cares...
you're stubborn enough to make your point, even after the conversation is long over.
honestly, i don't know why i even try to be a part of all of this.

!gEapIYWEa2 (ID: dca0ed)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  243256

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>>243211

> mfw everything is cells

> mfw everything is atoms
> mfw go to foreign country, same damn suburbs, same warehouses, same weeds
> same physical laws everywhere
> nothing unexpected
> no exceptions
> no escape

Yeah, I think I know how you feel.

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>>243227
>At that point there is no difference between life and death.
You're doing that thing again where you're anticipating a conclusion and then changing the definition involved so it doesn't have any impact. Someone else I know does it all the time, and it severely frustrates honest conversation.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: cdcf3e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243283

>>243270
>no difference between life and death

No, that demonstrates she does in fact grasp at least a fragment of what Z is trying to express.

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>>243219 they'll get a nice paid vacation out of it
that's gotta count for something

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>>243296
I'll let my cousin and his broken family know they should be grateful.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243301

>>243299 If someone doesn't believe in killing, they should perhaps choose a profession where the ability and willingness to kill is not part of the job description.
Maybe the solution is for police departments to hand out free guns to suicidal people in order to save their employees from potential trauma.

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>>243301
Well, i have the willingness and ability to kill to protect myself and the people around me, so does that mean that you think it would be a viable option to attempt suicide by me?

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>>243304 No, because it is not your mandate to shoot people who do not follow your exact orders, you have no orders to give in the first place, and you are not expected to take a life in such a situation. You can't just say "if you put your hand near your waist, I will shoot you" and then shoot someone, the way officers can and do.
However, someone could certainly ask to borrow one of your guns to do the job themselves.

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>>243312
>No, because it is not your mandate to shoot people who do not follow your exact orders, you have no orders to give in the first place, and you are not expected to take a life in such a situation. You can't just say "if you put your hand near your waist, I will shoot you" and then shoot someone, the way officers can and do.
Its not their mandate, and if there was someone who could be a threat to my life, and i said dont move, and they reached into their waste like they were grabbing a gun, i would shoot them.

The problem with suicidal people is they never take into account the lives they would be destroying.
>However, someone could certainly ask to borrow one of your guns to do the job themselves.
Listen dude, you've hinting at me that you want to do something bad now for a while, and its starting to be of actual concern, and I have to tell you, im not the person to talk to about it with, i know this about me.

But I do hope you can figure your stuff out, and i hope if you need help with depression you seek it. Seriously.
I'd rather not lose you.
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!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243317

>>243315 Let me explain in greater detail. We live in a world where cops can shoot completely innocent, unarmed individuals, and that's A-OK - the cop "did nothing wrong" and "acted appropriately" same song and dance. A cop can merely imagine you maybe possibly have a weapon, and blow your ass away, and essentially receive a commendation for a job well done. no harm. no foul. pat on the back.

Ok, then. So if a cop can kill an unarmed individual, one who doesn't want to die, and that's fine by society, then a cop killing someone who actively wants to die is at its absolute worst, no worse than the situation I described above, which is A-OK - the cop "did nothing wrong" and "acted appropriately" same song and dance, with a pat on the back. You, as an individual, do not have that same mandate. You don't have that same foolproof get-out-of-jail-free card that cops have. And you also don't have the expectation that it's your literal job to be prepared to kill someone who you merely perceive as a possible threat. You are not expected to go out of your way to confront and deal with perceived threats, and use deadly force at the mere possibility of a weapon.

I'm not seeking to do anything at this point. But it is something that I have put a lot of thought into. One way or another, I don't plan to die of old age. The ease with which I'm able to dispatch myself when the time comes largely will determine what I will need to do to get the job done. Lacking other suitable possibilities, SBC is a viable option that should not be removed from the table. There are worse ways to go than in a hail of bullets.

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>>243317
I've said all i plan to say on the subject, because the alternative is quite mean.

I've seen the aftermath of what you are talking about, and i have nothing but bad things to say about people who think that way.

I wish you the best.

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>>243317
You have a completely warped idea of what cops actually do and what the consequences of it actually are. I hate to burst your bubble but cops can't just go around shooting whoever they want. There are consequences, however because of the nature of their work, it doesn't always end up the way it would for other people, because you can't just send a cop to jail, seeing as how people in jail DON'T REALLY LIKE COPS.

On top of that, there is a lot of other things involved related to funding and such that departments have to consider. Most departments get funding based on their performance and records. Think of it like insurance, the more accidents you have, the higher your rates. Similarly, the more accidents a particular department has, the less funding they will get. So often times it's not even the cop that did the deed that chooses what happens. Often time it's the department itself that tries to lessen the impact, cover it up, or whatever, just so they don't lose funding.

I know your propaganda websites tell you that cops basically have a 007 license to kill, but it's not that simple.

Also, you have to understand that this is a profession in which the majority of people hate you just for doing what you do, they actively fuck with you, or they may actively try to harm you. This has gotten particularly worse lately. When you're in a situation in which you basically have a giant target on your head every single day, some people can become paranoid and that paranoia can cause them to take action in ways they probably wouldn't have under normal circumstances. You have to understand that when you get pulled over, it's a minor inconvenience for you, but for the cop its a "I could die in the next few minutes." moment, because he has no idea who you are, what you have in your car, or what your reaction to being pulled over will be.

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I find it incredibly ironic that people are like, "Man I need my second amendment rights to protect me from the government." insisting that if a war between the government and the people break out, that most of the army would not be willing to kill it's own people, yet for some reason this doesn't apply to police officers at all, and while trained military personnel would for some reason refuse to kill their own people, for some reason police officers apparently have no problem with it. Because that makes fucking sense.

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>>243338
This same line of reasoning could be used to argue that we do need more civilian armament rights, because taking away even more access to force from the civilians, or even just failing to give them more access than they already have, would just make the situation even more hopeless. If it's a literal matter of life or death, even pushing the odds back slightly in your favor can be what saves your life.
You don't accept letting a situation become 95% hopeless just because it's already 90%. In a case so dire, it just means that every little bit helps.

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>>243340
It's not really that dire.

When I get pulled over the only thing I worry about is if I remembered where I put my registration.

I know this is probably a really weird concept to you, but if you don't act like a complete asshole to cops, they generally won't do anything to you.
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blah blah blah every profession has its good and bad eggs blah blah blah

thats my two cents

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>>243351
all it takes is one bad day :)

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>>243360
That is true of anybody though.

There are people willing to try and strangle people through a drive thru window because they ran out if McNuggets. If you think civilians having guns is any safer than cops having them, you are delusional. People are people, regardless of a badge.
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>>243366
>People are people, regardless of a badge
yes

i will say though and no this isn't propaganda because this does happen

for example there was a man in florida who called the police in need for help

the man went outside to wave to the officer for help

unfortunately the officer mistaken his cell phone for a firearm and shot the man through his windshield

the da later ruled that as justified

that doesn't seem right to me

that being said, police make mistakes just like everyone else

but sometimes you have to wonder how these situations are left unchecked

i try to view these things as fair as possible

but i do have to question whats going on?

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>>243379
When the amount of training to become a police officer is less than the amount of training required to be come a hair stylist, I can tell you where your problem is.

I think that departments are getting desperate because less and less people are wanting to become officers, so the standards of who they will accept is getting lower, and that isn't helped by the overwhelming media pressure that "all cops are bad guys".

It's not surprising this is happening.

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>>243387
like i said

it's just something that crosses my mind

i dont listen to media personally anymore and havent for some quite some time

you know why? because it's depressing and 99% of it is bad news

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>>243391
>because it's depressing and 99% of it is bad news

Most people will stop to look at a train wreck, but next to no one will stop to look at someone giving a homeless man a hot meal.

Disaster and strife sells views. Nice things don't. That is why anyone who follows the news religiously will think the entire world is falling apart.

Everyone talks about the white cop that shot that black guy by mistake.

Meanwhile, in the real world:
https://thegrio.com/2017/07/26/neighbor-calls-police-on-black-kids-playing-cops-show-up-and-join-their-game/

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>>243417
me personally

i wanna see the story of someone giving a homeless man a meal

that sounds a million times better than the negative news on TV

i am mostly just tired of negativity in general

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>>243422
Homeless Man Does Breathtaking Act Social Experiment

Guy slips 50 bucks into a homeless man's backpack while he's sleeping.

This is what happens.

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>>243423
see, now thats the stuff i wanna see

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>>243426
It's there. You just have to be willing to look for it.

This is the kind of stuff I watch. There is so much negativity in the world as it is. Why look up more?

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>>243429
well, that's why i been saying i am trying to avoid the negativity, really

it isnt helping anyone

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>>243433
The key is to not delude yourself that negativity doesn't exist, but remind yourself that there is just as much positivity that doesn't get the recognition it deserves.

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>>243434
oh well yeah

besides it's much next to impossible to ignore negativity even if you tried

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>>243436
"As long as one heart still holds on, then hope is never really gone."

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Meanwhile Missouri propose House Bill 1108, also known as the “McDaniel Militia Act“, which would force everybody between 18 and 35 to own an AR-15. Under the bill, residents could be eligible for a tax credit equal to 75 percent of the cost of the AR-15 they bought.
We can't spend tax dollars on healthcare because that would be socialism but let's use tax payer money to buy everyone a gun.

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>>243476
I was just reading about that. Pretty ridiculous tbh.

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>>243476
>>243482
yeah, not even i am for that tbh

anything that has to do with force isn't something i like

let it be a personal choice if you wanna own a gun or not
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>>243476
You can't make this shit up!
Holy fucking shit!

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>>243482
>>243484
I'd say I warned you, but that would be pointless.

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>>243489
i dont think anyone here has ever claimed someone should be compelled to own a firearm

ever

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>>243492
I know that. But I told you what it would lead to if people kept pushing.

"No one is going to tell you that you have to own a firearm. That's just stupid. You're delusional."

Etc.

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>>243489
Yeah wut?

Warn us about what?

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>>243493
First off, i dont think we have ever had this conversation? And pushing for what? We are trying to keep rights already in place, not have the government compel firearms ownership by law.

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>>243495
I haven't had it specifically with you, but I have with others.

I said I have no problems with people owning guns, but if it gets to the point where I am required to own one, I'm going to have a problem.

I was told repeatedly that would never happen.

Whoops.

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>>243493
again, i dont think i can recall this whatsoever

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>>243497
Convenient, that.

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Force everybody to own a gun, and it will only be a matter of time before we see a Good Samaritan Law that forces every civilian to turn into Rambo if they are close enough to a shooting.

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>>243500
no, i know what you're trying to pull here

like in the past you completely thought that the second amendment if taken "literally" would mean you have to have a gun for free

hands and i told how you were wrong with several sources

also provided historical and modern day precedent

nobody said "oh thats never gonna happen"

we just told you how you misunderstood the meaning

so now you're over trying say "dont say i didnt warn you"

sorry toy, not gonna let that slide

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>>243504
Not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how I was not against gun ownership but I wanted there to be some things in place to try and keep it from getting out of control, and when people claimed I was anti-gun I explained that I'm not, but I don't want it to get to the point in which owning a gun was a requirement, in which the response was "That isn't going to happen."

­Tr­­­a­­­c­er B­­ull­­­­e­t (ID: 3d1715)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243509

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>California will require it's people to own a gun

Yeah, that isn't going to happen.

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>>243509
Luckly I feel California is the one place sane enough to not try this bullshit.

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>>243508
and you also realized this is a proposed bill for one state

it isn't federal

and that conversation must have been with you and hands then

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>>243508
First off, this isnt leading to anything.

Just because one person in all of government decided to introduce a bill that's not even getting a hearing, dosnt mean "we are going down that road".

I dont ever remember you making an argument here that advocating for rights we already have, is going to lead down a road of compelled gun owenership, but maybe it was a convo i wasnt a part of.

If anything, the "push" behind someone introducing a bill like this is the anti-gun side of things, since they are the only ones pushing anything.

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>>243510
>Hey, think it's a good idea to build my house on this land that has a high risk of literally flowing away with mud?
>Yeah dude mondo cool let me just throw this single cigarette out of my car real quick
>Jerry Brown
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>>243511
If the site can shit on California for one city in one district banning straws, I can be just as hyperbolic.

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>>243514
All I'm saying is that there is an amendment protecting the right to bare arms, but no amendment protecting the right not to.

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>>243516
yeah, florida city banned straws too

it's dumb

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>>243516
At least that actually happened.

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>>243519
Alright, where is the amendment protecting against compelled speech?

I see one protecting your right to exercise free speech, but not the one protecting your right not to.
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>>243525
>Alright, where is the amendment protecting against compelled speech?

#5

"nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself"

Basically it says the state cannot compel you to say anything you do not wish to say on public record, and you can not be charged with obstruction of justice for not saying something. You can be charged for LYING, but not for refusing to speak.

They literally tell you "You have the right to remain silent" when they arrest you.

Did you forget about that one?
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>>243528
Yeah, that was a bad example, i thought about that after haha.

Actually, given some thought, you are right, because if that right existed the draft couldnt.

also, funny story, this is the first draft of the 2a i just looked up while trying to figure out another ammendement i could throw at you

>A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the People, being the best security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights#Crafting_amendments

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>>243533
All I'm saying is that for all the bitching pro-gun people have, they are the only one with a right protecting their view point. They can at least call out that it's unconstitutional to have their guns taken away, those of us who don't want them in our hands or homes have no such luxury.

It's unconstitutional to forcefully disarm people, but it's completely constitutional to forcefully arm them.
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>>243534
>They can at least call out that it's unconstitutional to have their guns taken away, those of us who don't want them in our hands or homes have no such luxury.
We literally just did that, and you "gotcha'd" us.

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>>243535
Because even if you don't support it, the truth of the matter is that it is not unconstitutional.

I've stated in the past that gun owners rights trump non-gun owners rights and no one seemed to understand what I was talking about until now.
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>>243537
So how could we call out that its unconstitutional?

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>>243538
You can't, because it's literally not.

The only way this could fail is if there are not enough votes to support it. There is nothing anyone can legally do to veto this bill if it passes because it doesn't break any laws.

Because there are zero laws protecting people who don't want to own a firearm.
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>>243539
>You can't, because it's literally not.
Then dont expect us to.

You're the only one I've ever seen approach it from this angle, but if someone introduces a law against compelled gun ownership, id be okay with that.

But again, the draft would be illegal if that were the case.

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>>243543
The draft should be illegal, but even then you could simply add, "except in times of war explicitly for military service" and fix that problem.

And yes, I am the only one who has come at it from this viewpoint because it seems most people who are pro gun cannot fathom why someone wouldn't want to own one.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243546

>>243337 A person can have universal absolution, or they can have my sympathy. They can't have both. The tragic victim of a cop killing an unarmed, innocent victim - isn't the cop. I know that's a shock to a lot of people... And if a cop isn't getting my sympathy for killing a unarmed, innocent person, then I certainly will have no sympathy when they kill someone who does deserve it, e.g. someone intentionally trying to get shot - because that's what they signed up to do when they took the job and they knew it was part of the job description. And if I am that person trying to get shot, then I would expect them to do their duty, and suck up whatever reservations they have about it. I know that unions and departments are the ones trying to lessen the impact, but the end result is the same - cops get away with murder, and society gives them a pass to do so, so when they use that privilege, their feelings about doing so are what I would call a personal problem.

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>>243546
You call killing another person a privilege.

I would call it a burden.

I guess that indicates the different way we see the world and the value of life.

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>>243545
>And yes, I am the only one who has come at it from this viewpoint because it seems most people who are pro gun cannot fathom why someone wouldn't want to own one.
Well... no.

We can all fathom why you wouldnt want to own one, we just cant fathom why they want to prohibit those who do from owning one, and even that, at least I can understand but not agree.

Never have I heard an anti-gun person said "Im worried about my right not to own a gun" or introduce legislation that would protect that right. They only introduce legislation that limits the rights of others.

Like, cool, you thought of it, but its far from a main stream talking point.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243556

>>243551 Killing with zero repercussions isn't exactly what I call burdensome, as there is no burden.

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>>243556
If killing someone would not constitute a personal burden you may just be a sociopath.

>>243555
>Never have I heard an anti-gun person said "Im worried about my right not to own a gun" or introduce legislation that would protect that right.

That has literally been my stance on the issue since day 1.

Mk17 (ID: 024d1f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243558

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>>243556
are you okay?

You've been talking about how its stupid to have friends and asking me advice for guns that "you only need once" lately and all this iit is making me legitimately worry about you.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243563

>>243557 I would expect that around 1 in 40 cops is a psychopath, meaning you also roll the dice any time you get pulled over. and I'll refer you once again to >>243546
>A person can have universal absolution, or they can have my sympathy. They can't have both.
I suppose the real burden for getting away with murder is that there is nothing to atone for, since you did nothing wrong, and you just get to live with it. again, I will withhold my sympathy in such cases.
>>243558
>are you okay?
generally, no, but that's fine
>You've been talking about how its stupid to have friends
I honestly don't remember saying this, so I'm not sure what gave you that impression.
>asking me advice for guns that "you only need once"
That's my very morbid sense of humor, with a kernel of truth to it. You're the only person I've discussed guns with, because you're the only person I speak to who enthusiastically talks about guns.
>all this iit is making me legitimately worry about you.
I have no plans to do anything at present.

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>>243563
For the record, I said sociopath, not psychopath and that number is very very off the mark. It's more like 1 in 40,000.
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!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243570

>>243566 I'm not sure where you got that number, but a quick search yields >1% of the general population are psychopaths, which is well over 1 in 40,000.
Sociopaths are more common than that.
A sociopathic cop is bad enough, but psychopathic cops are the ones I'd be more concerned with, and that is also well over 1 in 40,000.

­Tr­­­a­­­c­er B­­ull­­­­e­t (ID: 3d1715)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243572

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>>243570
1 in 8,000

-ish.

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>>243572
I'd be willing to accept this.

It's not 1 in 40, I can assure you.

Mk17 (ID: 024d1f)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243591

>>243563
>generally, no, but that's fine
No, actually its not fine.
>I honestly don't remember saying this, so I'm not sure what gave you that impression.
I cant find the exact post but i recall you saying something along the lines of having friends just prevents you from having a career or something like that.
>That's my very morbid sense of humor, with a kernel of truth to it.
Thats and oximoronic statement. Its not humor when your serious, or at least, i dont see any humor in it.
>I have no plans to do anything at present.
Thats not comforting, because you keep insinuating that you do plan to do it, just not right this moment.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243600

>>243572
>>243574
I'm not sure where you're getting these baseline rates, and I even tried to find these exact numbers. Psychopath is a technical definition and doesn't mean every single one of them is literally Patrick Bateman. There are tons of high functioning psychopaths, and the rate at which you find them depends on many things, including profession. It's highest among violent male felons (if you consider that a profession) and drops from there. In a profession like law enforcement, where someone can get away with manipulation quite easily, and which is also a desirable profession for someone who wishes to get away with manipulation, I would expect the rate to be higher than baseline, hence my estimate of 1 in 40.
>>243591
>No, actually its not fine.
I mean... it'll have to do, regardless.
>I cant find the exact post but i recall you saying something along the lines of having friends just prevents you from having a career or something like that.
I think you have me confused with someone else.
>Thats and oximoronic statement. Its not humor when your serious, or at least, i dont see any humor in it.
Humor is one way to deal with grim realities.
>Thats not comforting, because you keep insinuating that you do plan to do it, just not right this moment.
not sure what to tell you. have to go make some money.

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>>243600
>I'm not sure where you're getting these baseline rates
>>243570
>a quick search yields >1% of the general population are psychopaths

>https://www.statista.com/statistics/191694/number-of-law-enforcement-officers-in-the-us/

I highballed it and assumed there's 800,000 ish with SWAT and everything.

So, 1 in 8,000 is being pretty generous.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243639

>>243607 1% of 670,000 is 6,700 officers.
1 in 8000 would be 84.
8000 is 1% of 800,000.
I think you're getting your ratios and counts confused.
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>>243639
>I highballed it and assumed there's 800,000 ish with SWAT and everything.

Would you have preferred a tilde at the end of my number?

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>>242801
Just an update, i heard the dead guy had 40 arrests and 11 felonies for things like burglary and armed robbery in this County alone.

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>>243655
It's a shame the government couldn't euthanize him earlier. I've heard horror stories about people getting wrongly convicted and sentenced to death. But if someone gets convicted of 10 separate violent felonies, I think it's pretty safe to say that he is not worth keeping alive.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243698

>>243644 I think you're missing the point. 1 in 40,000 means there are a mere 20 psycho cops in the entire US (if we use the highball), at most. That's absurd.
1 in 8000 is 100 officers in the entire USA - also absurd.

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>>243698
Yes, thinking there are 17,000 psycho cops is much more reasonable.

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>>243655
>11 felonies for things like burglary and armed robbery in this County alone
HOW was this guy able to walk free?

this guy has 11 counts of violent felonies

no wonder things ended up how they did
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!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243705

>>243700 If you know what the definition of psycho is, then yes, it is. Psycho doesn't mean obligate homicidal maniac, as most people seem to think.

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>>243705
If you want to go with "An unstable and aggressive person" then yeah, you might as well describe 80% of the world as that.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: cdcf3e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243720

>>243704
The tidbit that you won't see on the news is that he talked to the store manager earlier that day, had himself a job interview lined up for the next morning.

I predicted that he was gonna no-show, being he was a little busy decorating his car's interior.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243754

>>243709 That is also not the technical definition.

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>>243754
So is it the >1% of the population definition, or something else?

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>>243766
>Based on forty years of intensive empirical research, the PCL-R has been established as a powerful tool for the assessment of this serious and dangerous personality disorder. Specific scoring criteria rate twenty separate items on a three-point scale (0, 1, 2) to determine the extent to which they apply to a given individual.

>The interpersonal traits include glibness, superficial charm, grandiosity, pathological lying and manipulation of others. The affective traits include a lack of remorse and/or guilt, shallow affect, lack of empathy and failure to accept responsibility. The lifestyle behaviors include stimulation-seeking behavior, impulsivity, irresponsibility, parasitic orientation and a lack of realistic life goals. Antisocial behaviors include poor behavioral controls, early childhood behavior problems, juvenile delinquency, revocation of conditional release and committing a variety of crimes.


This stuff takes literally seconds to look up.

more info:

>The scores for those who are psychopaths vary greatly, revealing that very high to low levels of the condition exist among those who have it. Non-criminal psychopaths generally score in the lower range (close to thirty) while criminal psychopaths, especially rapists and murderers, tend to score in the highest range (close to forty).


>No two psychopaths score exactly the same on the test. The average non-psychopath will score around five or six on the PCL-R test.
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>>243770
I'm looking for your definition, as the one that took me literal seconds to look up didn't meet your qualifications.

As for your definition, it would appear that it's still far more than 1% of the population.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243775

>>243773 Yes, 1% is the absolute lowest estimate that I found, hence why I used it, because I make claims very conservatively. Ranges that I found vary from 1-10%. These are orders of magnitude higher than your (0.0125%) and Toybox's (0.0025%) guesses.

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>>243775
>higher than your (0.0125%)
I went with >1% of the total amount of cops, parallel to your proposed percentage for the general population.

Of course, we're arguing over a change in 1.5 percent.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243786

>>243778 Toybox said 1 in 40,000. You said 1 in 8000. 1 in 8000 is not 1%. 1 in 100 is 1%. This is why I disagree with what you are saying, because the train of thought back to your 1 in 8000 statement doesn't make logical sense.

I am going on the assumption that it's higher than 1% for police. Whether it's 1% or 2.5% is a minor difference. The difference between 1% and 0.0125% is not the same ballpark, or even planet.

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>>243786
I misspoke then, I apologize.

8,000 being the 1% of 800,000. Or, the 700,000. Whichever you prefer.

!XSAILBoatg (ID: 50a3b3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243794

>>243792 Yes, there are ~8000 psychopathic officers in the USA, using a very conservative estimate and rough approximation. I agree with that statement.

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>>243794
Huzzah agreement

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: cdcf3e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  243956

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>>243164
Cuz they don't want to maybe?

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>>243956
I am sorry,everyone deserves to be found.

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>>244113
Was was the Royal Salute fired?

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>>244529
It was her birthday.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: cdcf3e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  244533

>>244113
"Deserves got nuthin to do with it"

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>>244533
That is horrifying to be lost so long.

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>>243534
For science, or maybe for my own curiosity, i decided to ask some customers throughout the day how they feel about this at the range yesterday.

Generally i got the same response.

When i told them that a bill was introduced that required people to buy and own an AR15 by law the initial reaction was
>Thats awesome! Good! Finally a law that makes sense!
... ect, the normal whooping

But when i asked a fallow up question of "how is the government compelling someone to buy or own something against their will freedom?"
The hamster started running on its wheel for them and 100% of them agreed that it wasnt right.

I asked about 15 or so people through out the day, its nothing scientific and its not like im saying conclusions could be drawn, and tbh, ill bet if an anti-gun person made the same argument, it might not sink in the same way.

But i thought it was at least interesting.
And i thought that a predictable reaction developing was interesting too.

And for the sake of thoroughness ill mention, it didnt matter if they were white, black, hispanic, male or female.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 771599)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  244738

>>244535
Half a century.

You have no idea.

Btw are you just teasing me? I can't really be sure.

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>>244588
It's not surprising, to be honest. Like I said, I'm not anti-gun but a lot of pro-gun people literally do not understand why anyone would not want to own one, so when shit like this happens, they don't see the issue with it until you break it down for them.

My stance has always been "I don't care if you want to own a gun, just don't force me to." and that is where it's going to stay, and it didn't really sink in until now that people may not have understood my position simply because the idea of "non-gun owners rights" was something they never considered being a thing.

So you can see how frustrating it is to deal with people shouting "RESPECT MY RIGHTS" while at the same time believing that you having any rights is completely ridiculous.
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>>244779
Yeah, i do see your point.

Unfortunately, there isnt much you can do about that without abolishing the draft, which is prob why the first version of the 2nd amendment included protecting our right to not be forced to own a gun, and the final one didnt.

I see your point of view clearer now though, and ill prob incorporate it more into my own as well tbh.

But it was nice to see that, at least so far, all the random pro gun people I talked to get it too.
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Snowbell (ID: 285211)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  244793

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>>243534
>It's unconstitutional to forcefully disarm people, but it's completely constitutional to forcefully arm them.

Basically yeah. Unless as MK.17 pointed out with the early draft of the 2nd you can get an religious exemption. Anti-gunners like to point to "a well regulated militia" and claim that means the government gets to regulate who gets to be armed. Except of course they already have and the militia code states that every man aged 18-45 is a member of the unorganized militia. The implication being of course that they should be armed should their community need to call them up for militia service. No different than any other public service you might be called up for. This ensures there's always manpower available when and where it's needed, rather than pawning-off responsibility on a third party who's going to look, duck and vanish as police are known to do when SHTF.

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>>244793
No offense, but look duck and vanish would pretty much be how I operate if I was ever called into a combat situation. Better to actually have people who want to be there doing it than those who have absolutely no desire to.

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>>244794

Tis fair, but 9/10 it wouldn't be "combat" so much as "guard duty." A big part of having everybody be armed and trained i.e. "well regulated" is ensuring that they work together when things go sideways rather than every man for themselves.

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>>244795
I wouldn't have as much of an issue if training were mandatory.

Honestly, my biggest issue with people owning guns are the ones that buy them but have no respect for them as weapons that could hurt people. There are too many people that buy them like they are toys, and they don't have the proper training or respect for how deadly they are, and that is a mixture for disaster.

I know owning a gun is a "right", the issue is that guns are dangerous when mishandled. Just like a vehicle is dangerous when mishandled. Yet you are required to get training to use a vehicle, but zero training is needed to own and operate a firearm.

This wasn't an issue back when the second amendment was created since knowing how to use a gun was something you learned from your family, because it was basically a necessary part of life back then. Now though, learning to operate a gun properly is a luxury, but owning one is not, and that is where the big problem lies.

People like you, MK, Hands and Mikie don't cause me concern because you take gun ownership seriously. It's the people that don't that worry me. I feel that anyone should have the opportunity to own a firearm, however I feel that they should be required to have a certain amount of hours in training before being allowed to operate one. It wouldn't be like if you fail you can't have a gun. It's more just like, "You can keep trying until you pass."
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Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 3403e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  244797

>>244795
>A big part of having everybody be armed and trained i.e. "well regulated" is ensuring that they work together when things go sideways rather than every man for themselves.

This is why i argue that accessible and free educational requirements to gun ownership are not unconstitutional.

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>>244796
>Honestly, my biggest issue with people owning guns are the ones that buy them but have no respect for them as weapons that could hurt people. There are too many people that buy them like they are toys, and they don't have the proper training or respect for how deadly they are, and that is a mixture for disaster.

This is part of the reason I see the most psychotic lone-nut shooters as the most of a non-issue. For instance, the same psychosis that made Randy Stair want to claim souls for his waifu's ghost squad no doubt contributed to his own inability to get a high death count. He was dumb enough to fuck himself into killing himself and others for a spook he dreamt up, and he was dumb enough that he insisted on hip-firing and couldn't improve his aim no matter how long he practiced.

On the flip side: when someone makes a calculated attack and ends up claiming a higher death toll, usually they're intelligent enough to be responding to what they see as legitimate political injustices, rather than petty personal fantasies. Horrible as it sounds, when people go the way of McVeigh, I see that as deep foundational criticism, expressed through the last meaningful conduit many people have.
We're content to function as part of a State that exists as an act of war. So, why should we bat an eye when individuals wage their own personal wars? Are we really going to allow dangerous, consolidated monoliths of power to have a monopoly on the ability to kill and destroy, rather than allow the people to have a meaningful voice as well?
With the desperation of a drowning man, we defend "free speech" in the most superficial contexts and controlled environments, but what of speech that has meaningful power to affect the way things are?
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>>244796
>I wouldn't have as much of an issue if training were mandatory.

That'd be fine except that in the current climate they'd make said training absurdly expensive, only have classes once every two years and limit the class size to ten people.

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>>244801
The issue is accountability. One single person cannot make a decision to go to war. It's a big decision to make and lots of people are involved in making that decision.

An individual doesn't have that level of accountability. They have no one to put their motives in check.

This is a problem.

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>>244802
I would probably set it up so that anyone that runs a gun range can get certified to run training courses that would count towards the legal requirement. Like how mechanics can be certified to run legal smog checks on vehicles.
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>>244802
Can confirm. Here, in the 70s they passed a law saying to own a handgun you needed to take or test out of an 8 hour class showing proficiency with handgun usage and safety. The law even says how often and at what locations the class should be given so that everyone had the opportunity to take it for free.

Unfortunately, they also legislated a cap on how much the state is allowed to spend on that class, and because of inflation, they ran out of money. So they just dumbed down the test enough that anyone could pass it with or without experience and test out.

Now they are proposing taking that test and giving its jurisdiction to the AG and passing it out on a "may issue" basis.

Complete clusterfuck simply because the state chooses not to fallow its own laws.

They took a good idea and messed it all up, but maybe we here in my state can change that.
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>>244804

The NRA certifies instructors. But you know the NRA is an evil cabal of baby-eating monsters who control all the politicians so they can keep eating babies.

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>>244804
This is what i do.

Because of this >>244806
I decided to teach a free introductory class in firearms every other thursday at my range.

Im trying to fill the gap that the state has left.

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never rely on shitty politicians to better society

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>>244808
Well, that is good. I just like people to know that despite being from California and having no desire to own a firearm, I'm not looking to get them banned, and I never have. I'm just not part of the "There should be gun vending machines on every corner" crowd.

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>>244809
Oh, I don't. This is actually the part that pisses me off more than anything. See, I'm all for having systems in place to regulate things, but I work on the assumption that those regulations will work as intended without being abused. It's fucking shitty, underhanded politicians and their fucking lobbiests trying to line their pockets that destroys a perfectly good, well functioning system by not following the goddamn rules.

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>>244812
you know it's strange

some people want these "regulations" but in order to enforce these regulations they need people with GUNS to enforce them

but as we know government totally never abuses power or anything so its a-okay

but trusting we the people with a right to bear arms

GOD FORBID

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>>244813
I don't trust people to self-regulate either, and that is where my conundrum pretty much lies.

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>>244817
but you seem to have more faith in people with power

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>>244819
No. I have faith in the system. Not in people. Neither the ones running it, nor the ones being run by it.
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>>244820
lol the "the system" is being ran by corrupted bureaucrats

it doesnt run by itself

you know how you see voting as being worthless

"the system" doesnt seem work for you, huh?
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>>244810
Yeah, iv never gotten the impression of you being "anti-gun" and you've never given yourself that lable. Also, California isnt an ideology, and you didnt choose your birthplace. I get criticizing the government of cali, the policies of cali, but the people of cali are individuals who can thi k for themselves.
>I'm just not part of the "There should be gun vending machines on every corner" crowd.
Nor am I.
And honestly, in my experience in the gun culture, nor are most people.

Just most people remain silent.
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>>244822
I think she is saying she has faith that, if run to the letter, the system would work.

But she dosnt have faith that the people in charge of running it would actually do that.

Like having faith that if you turn on the hose the pool will fill with water, but not having faith that the person you asked to turn it on actually will.
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>>244825
right, but you need people with to enact "the system".

and these people arent anymore trustworthy than a construction worker

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>>244827
Well thats why we are a government of the people.

The problem is most people just sit home and dont pay attention. And if they do, assume someone else will do it so they dont miss their favorite show or whatever.

Do you know how many people at the range were suprised when i told them the hearing on the bills to ban a bunch of shit was on tuesday? A lot. Like most.

They had no idea.
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>>244822
>"the system" doesnt seem work for you, huh?

Nope. That's why I avoid it. The system is not being run properly.
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>>244829
yeah, and that's the problem with runaway government

we arent really a government of the people anymore

politicians could hardly give two shits and a fuck what anyone thinks

but then most will say "oh we need a law to solve this issue"

fucks sake...

>>244830
right

and i agree with you for the part

the constitution has been smeared and ignored for a long time now
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>>244803
Organizations are composed of individuals, thus prone to the exact same vices. The fallibility of the average individual can compound in an organization just as it is mitigated.


Every time in history we've found evidence of a State forming de novo, it's been predicated on a religious power, rather than a default condition people participate in. The State is not just the organic result of human behavior. Law in middle-age europe f.e. worked on a premise called Case Law, where instead of working under a pope or king, judges were trusted for their reputation and their rulings became common precedent; those who made rulings widely considered unfair were less trusted, while the rulings of trusted lawyers became precedent and law, and the general will fell into some code while regulating rogue actors but not requiring a single central authority. It was the church that resulted in consolidation of power towards modern states, because people entrusted it with so many of their tithes. This is an example of a more polycentric form of human self-regulation being practiced in history as a default, rather than something consciously manufactured, with the State only following later. The State has been in effect so long that we can't imagine a time where we had anything else, and so we assume it's necessary.

The State is not a utilitarian institution. No State in antiquity was justified on utilitarian grounds like we justify ours. The Indian caste system that dates to the ancient times could absolutely not be justified as being done "for the good" of the Untouchable class it mandated, it was justified on religious grounds. In reality, the utilitarian necessity of the State is the product of social inertia into a time when we no longer see validity in a theocratic power, but never knew anything but a State and forgot when we could function without it. The Athenians' choice of this freakish institution of "democracy" was predicated on the distrust of the Tyrant monarchs they overthrew; they never knew anything but a State, but still wanted as much personal autonomy as possible, so they chose a weird fusion of the two, where, mind you, the lobbying that we see as a "hijacking" of democracy was openly accepted.


Most States exceed the Dunbar limit of human interaction, inhibiting their ability to self-regulate the way smaller communities can. This is part of why we see so many inefficiencies in them. Communism was a projection of our innate communitarian nature onto a large, imperial-scale State, which, in its allocative inefficiency and inability to self-regulate, created and perpetuated a ruling class within an intended socialist structure while causing even more deprivation for the lower classes.
Socialism is not a state institution. It's the equivalent of how a group of people will comport themselves if you take them on, say, a missionary trip. This projection of our communitarian nature onto a large state that is far too large to fit within the Dunbar limit is why "new deal"-style projects fail, because the contributors are alienated from the destination of their appropriated labor value.



This perfectly explains why both "socialism" and "capitalism" as we understand them only perpetuate inequity, because the projection of natural human behavior into this artificial construct of the State is taken for granted, and almost never questioned.
When a natural monopoly gains an advantage in a market and theoretically stifles competition, in practice this causes a relative spike in the stock that net industry has, causing investors to flock to that industry and make investments that stimulate competition; natural monopolies often create the conditions that result in their destruction. The concept of a natural monopoly itself is a recent idea and monopolies prior to that were almost always those granted by a monarch to instill stability, so their kingdoms would not have to deal with the chaos inherent in competition.

In this sort of mixed-economy that we have, attempts to regulate the largest firms in an industry only result in these firms being able to bribe their regulators into protecting their own monopoly while punishing competition. While this is facilitated by the State, the effects of large monopolies prohibiting competition and ruining the general society for everyone else is inevitably blamed on the "free market," when the market is anything but that.



Now, with the world's present population, we could not survive without the output from modern agricultural technology we've relied on. Therefore, participation in this capitalist economy - where we work to pursue this abstract social institution of profit, instead of automatically following our communitarian drives and everyone naturally picking up for everyone - is inevitable. We couldn't survive without participating in the market and there's probably no substitute in sight.
But, what isn't inevitable is this projection of our abstracted communitarian drives into this large quasi-religious industry of the State, one that's so large that it's inherently alienated from the people sustaining it.
This is why so many people who self-identify as "socialists" inevitably come from classes that are alienated from the real struggles workers face, because they fail to recognize the State itself as part of the problem; it's just assumed the State is a means to the end of equity, not the hindrance it is. The State is too big to be altruistic and faith in its altruism is folly.

We are not capitalist, and we are not socialist. We are this monstrous hybrid, where a religious institution that controls our access to force is run like a monopoly, whilst we project our natural social cohesion and communitarian drives onto it, and the result is this mangled hydra that is none of these things. If someone wanted the workers to get closer to their means of production, they wouldn't endorse this inefficient gateways-system that forces us to rely on monopolies for employment, and makes it impossible to start your own businesses.
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>>244831
Sure they do, its just, in places where things are being banned there are more anti gun people at the statehouse, more often making their voices heard. They write more letters, and they demand harder.

This is why i think in deep blue progressive territory, my state still has a lot of its gun rights, because we have large turnouts of people protesting the bans.

But, thats only because our state is so small that word of mouth spreads quick, and getting there is convenient.

In a place like cali, or even mass, where most of the gun rights folks left the city, it can take hours or even a day to get where they need to be to have their voice heard, and if they are not willing to do it, it wont be heard.

Thats why cities are dominated by these thoughts, and why the cities around the capital tend to run the policies. Its not because cities do something to people brains that cause them to think a way, in my opinion its because all the people who think different ran away and its too inconvenient for them to just go back for a day.
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>>244847
>the cities have a monopoly on who gets elected
well i mean, i always knew that to fair

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>>244848
They dont on local representation, they can only elect their own, and if their own are doing what they want, then you cant really make the argument that they arnt listening to the people.

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>>244851
means absolutely nothing when the state and federal governments rules by fiat
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>>244853
But again, at the state level, cities can only elect their own reps.

You are right about the federal level, thats why i only said local.

And if you dont like the federal government imposing its will on the states, then surely you should be against stuff like forced concealed carry permit reciprocity.

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>>244858
>And if you dont like the federal government imposing its will on the states, then surely you should be against stuff like forced concealed carry permit reciprocity.
yes, i dont care for that law because it's already stated in the 2nd amendment

"the of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
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>>244863
Well, hopfully you are making that case to your legislator, because if they dont know your will they cant represent it.

Also, if your will isnt the majority, they also cant represent it.
That why "they arnt doing the will of the people" is a hard argument, because just because its not your personal will, dosent mean its not the will of the people.

And if the will of the people is something that is unconstitutional, then the minority has to fight it in court.

Thats why the judical system isnt suppose to be beholden to "the will of the people" its beholden to the word of law.

Checks and balances!
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>>244875
the thing is it's things that people should already know

it's just sad to me how people move towards removing rights and imposing government rather than the opposite

especially in a country that self-proclaims in being "the land of the free."

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 771599)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  244887

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>>244863
Im never sure if we're talking about pic related or to wear wifebeaters.

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>>244887
it's just odd to be

>1st amendment

okay got it
>3rd amendment
yeah i understand it
>4th, 5th, 6th, etc
yup, understand it clearly
>2nd amendment
whoa there buddy, this one is suddenly not fully understood now
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>>244891
I've already explained this a dozen times.

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>>244892
and you're wrong every single time

dont even start

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>>244894
To be fair, you brought it up. You can't just say, "I don't know why people are confused." When I've explained why people are confused at least a dozen times. Even if you don't agree with it, you know why they are confused.
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>>244897
this country has been around since 1776

pretty much during its entire existence people pretty much universally understood the meaning of our rights

it's why you could purchase a fully automatic firearms and have sent straight to your door without any questions asked

up until FDR pretty much started to rule completely by fiat

threw a temper tantrum because SCOTUS thought he was wrong

ever since then people started to forget what liberty means and what rights we have

actually it likely predates him
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>>244899
That has nothing to do with why it's confusing.

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>>244901
historical precedent should be a huge red flag

you like many others make it your mission to misunderstand to the best of your ability

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>>244902
Not really. I just take words at face value when they are written in legal format. Because that is pretty much how they are meant to be read. This is why most legal documents are dozens of pages long. There is no room for interpretation in the legal system.
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>>244903
>creating complexity and extra baggage of nonsense makes it easier to understand
no

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>>244904
Clarification is not excess baggage.

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>>244905
it isn't clarification

ive seen how laws are written

they're usually filled with shitloads of loop holes and can be interpreted to mean anything

that's part of the reason why there is so much federal supremacy in this country

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>>244891

The "confusion" has to do with the degradation in basic command of language.

People don't know the difference between "militia" and "military" anymore. We imagine that when a shooter is decimating a school's population, we'll be safe if we huddle far from the door, turn the lights off, and pretend the gunman will just go away.

While George Washington was making mistakes like leaving his flank unguarded and having to retreat leaving our cities to British occupation to preserve some shred of his military, Cornwallis's attempt to sweep through our heartland was stopped cold by our militias.

Military is a federal government-controlled group of fighting men armed and supplied by that government. Militias are free citizens grabbing their personal weapons and showing up to defend their nation. In order to have a "well organized militia" a country must have armed citizenry that can be mustered in times of need against threats both external and internal such as corrupt abuse of military force.

The problem is deliberately fucked up education and our nation has dwindled to sheep ripe for the slaughter because of it. Put that military funding into education and our problems can ALL be magically solved within a couple generations, if our nation survives that long, which it may not actually.

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>>244907
Loopholes are also created when laws are too vague and can be interpreted in ways they were never meant to be used.

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>>244908
The militia part doesn't confuse me that much.

It's the "shall not be infringed" part.

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>>244908
yeah, it's pretty sad

and if people wanna understand what a "militia" means a two second google search for this

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246

should suffice enough

sadly not even politicians know this

>>244910
i would love to see you try to interpret the tens of thousands of tax codes we have

good luck

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>>244899
But thats not true.

Thats why Wyatt Eurp (sp?) could legally outlaw the carrying of firearms in tombstone AZ... Which was the law that lead to the shootout at the OK corral.

And that happened in the 1800s.

In fact, we have more protected gun rights now than we ever have.

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>>244912
If I had the time or inclination to do so, I probably could. However, I really don't, but if you want to give me an example of one that confuses you, I will happily translate it for you.
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>>244907
In fact, Georgia was the first state to ban guns, in 1837 bearly 50 years into the countries existance.
https://www.thoughtco.com/the-first-gun-ban-in-american-history-721341

For most of the countries history, the 2a was interpreted by the scotus to only apply to the federal government, but states could ban whatever they wanted, and did.

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>>244913
yet theres red flag bills being introduced pretty much every week in states

which violate the 2nd, 4th, 5h and the amendments

but thats okay because safety

>>244918
i guarantee you cant

not without an attorney

>>244920
that's because of the 14th amendment

we've talked about this

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>>244920
Ha!

>>244922
Try me. Literally the only reason I never tried to become a lawyer was because I hate paperwork.
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>>244922
But you cant say the 2a was "understood" all that time when guns were being banned from the get go.

Unless you think the 2a should only apply to the fed and states can legally ban all guns. Which is how it was understood, pretty much from the get go.

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>>244923
okay, do it then

>>244924
pretty much every single states constitution mirrored the federal one

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>>244924
The biggest issue I've found with Mikie and the second amendment is basically that he seems to be under the impression that accepting that it can be misinterpreted automatically would automatically invalidate it and allow everyone's guns to be taken away, even though that is not the case at all, so he absolutely 100% rejects the idea that the second amendment is flawed in any way, shape or form.

Good luck with this. Like I've said, I've been on this ride at least a dozen times.

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>>244925
Give me one and I will. That way you can't say I'm just cherry picking an easy one.

(Just so you know, I've written legally binding contracts that have had to be publicly notorized and can legally be used in court.)
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>>244927
i never said isnt flawed

i actually am fine with background checks

i am just not a bootlicker about it

>>244928
nah
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>>244925
So the states who dont have that in their constution should be free to ban all guns, if we fallow the classical interpretation.

Cali doesnt have that in their constitution, so if we interpret the 2a by the way america did for the majority of its existence, like you suggest we do, then their government is well within its rights to ban whatever they want, and you shouldnt criticize them for it because they are doing nothing wrong by the 2a.
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>>244934
didnt i just mention the 14th amendment here?

you tried to make the claim it wasnt mostly understood

i told you most state constitutions mirror the federal one which has been thing for a long time

i never said anything about states being able to ban things?
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>>244935
But it wasnt understood to be a personal freedom all that time, it was understood to be a right of state governments and to protect state governments from the fed banning their malitia (national guard).

Im not saying thats how i think it should be, im just saying that what you understand the 2a to mean, is a very modern notion.
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>>244881
If government is by and for the people, how does more government necessarily have to mean "less free"?

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>>244944
oh well yeah

it wasnt understood as a individual right until DC. v Heller

but the idea that it wasnt understood as a right in ridiculous

>>244946
it isnt by and for the people though

so im not saying it makes it less free?

maybe local governments, sure
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>>244947
A bunch of people agreeing weed should be legal doesnt make it so, and a bunch of people figuring the 2a means something doesnt make it true.

All im saying is you should consider dropping the "for most of americas history" argument, because for most of americas history the anti-gunners would be right and states that didnt have that in their state constitution would be free to ban all guns.

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>>244952
eh, fine

fair enough

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>>244956
I dont like it either, but you cant deny the fact.

I think what toy is saying is that writing it that way is what allowed for that to happen.

But, leaving it open for interpretation is also what allowed the scotus to re-interpret it to extend to all individual US citizens. And now that is law, and probably wont be changed.

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>>244966
>But, leaving it open for interpretation is also what allowed the scotus to re-interpret it to extend to all individual US citizens. And now that is law, and probably wont be changed.
yes, it is law

but states dont seem to care about that

which is why oregon's bill sb 501 is a thing

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>>244970
What's so bad about sb 501? Just casually glancing at the text, it doesn't seem unreasonable.

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>>244971
because it's overreaching and unconstitutional

so much so that even county sheriff's are refusing to enforce it
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>>244971
Is it the safe storage one?

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>>244982
yes, it also requires other things as well

such as mag limits and requiring a permit to own a gun

and a 30 day waiting period
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>>244982
The one that requires having permits and locked containers? I believe so.

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>>244987
>>244988
Ah, they must have ammended it and added stuff.

When i read it a few months ago, it basicly said that if you know someone in your house is a danger, and you dont lock your gun, you can be held liable.

So basicly, if you know your room mate is a criminal, and you leave your gun laying around and they go commit a crime with it, its not "all gun owners fault" its yours.

Which to me is fair.

Another example of taking something worth debate, and ruining it.

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>>244994
i mean, the fact that even some county sheriff's are refusing to enforce it

i think that should tell a pretty good story on why it's overreaching

these laws are fucked up because

1. they're overreaching and unconstitutional
2. it turns people who havent done a single thing into felons
3. it likely wont change a damn thing in trying to "reduce crime"

it's fucking mickey mouse bullshit

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>>244994
Does that apply if you do lock it, but they defeat the lock (i.e. breaking into a regular gun safe)?

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>>244899
>actually it likely predates him
John Adams. Alien and Sedition Acts.

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>>245207
Yes, I know about that

Thomas Jefferson got on him about his bootlicking

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: 9a8385)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  245210

You know Thomas Jefferson was right

The constitution is flawed and would clearly be abused

Pretty sad tbh

I mean look at our house Congress lmfao
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>>245206
It didnt at the time. I havent had time to read the "new" one.

Even if your gun was laying out and someone broke into your house, you still wernt responcible, only if you knew someone in your house shouldnt have access and took no mesure to prevent it.

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>>245217
This sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
I can't see why anyone would be opposed to this.

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>>245305
Yeah, it doesn't seem anything like an unreasonable gun grab to me. It sounds like something that should be national policy.

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Maybe because there is more to the bill than that?


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