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Artists Forbidding Edits (ID: 7469ed)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid:   233354

https://www.deviantart.com/amura-of-jupiter/art/Landscape-Commission-Come-Along-little-one-685820067

> Commission for Piepinkie350

> No Tracing, Recoloring or making bases. I consider this butchering my work, theft and very rude. No EDITING, cropping or drawing over my work.
> Image is not allowed to be used for the purpose of financial gain. If you want to use my work this way please speak with me. NO CLAIMING THE OC’S AS YOUR OWN/SELLING OC’S
> No using images in mods/facebook I prefer personal OC images to not be shared too heavily without my knowledge.

This faggotry has got to stop...

Ika (ID: 4bfc0f)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233355

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God forbid an artist wants their work to be respected.

(ID: 7469ed)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  233418

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>>233355

How is drawing moustaches on a copy of their art in any way disrespectful of their work? They're forbidding people from tracing, which is an important technique for learning how to draw. They consider cropping their work to be "butchery." And they demand we inform them of using their "personal OC" images, when the art is a commission of someone else's OCs!

Damn right I'm going to respect their work, but artists are getting fed this ego stroking bullshit that they can control what other people do, if those other people are using their work. That plays right into the hands of people who want to set up systems of monitoring and control for everything we do period. Artists used to just be total enablers on copyright, trying to hurt their fans for sharing things they enjoy, and now it's gotten so bad that artists are even acting like they can ban parodies, fair use, all derivation, and un-trademarked characters that aren't even theirs!

Noonim (ID: e62f3e)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  233422

>>233355
I understand where you're coming from, but, at the same time, this is the internet, and I'm of the opinion edits can provide some excellent head jazz.

Noonim (ID: e62f3e)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  233425

>>233418
To be fair a lot of people do just trace and then pretend it's their own solo work.

Personally, it's another thing I don't get minding, as, the image will look different enough not to be the same deal.
Only trouble I could see is if they claimed you traced it.

Ika (ID: 4bfc0f)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233427

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>>233418
>That plays right into the hands of people who want to set up systems of monitoring and control for everything we do period.
Yeaaaaaa i think you are going to need this
https://tinyurl.com/yyvyzkqx

>>233422
That doesn't make artists wanting their work to be respected something bad. It might inevitable because well, it's the internet and people are assholes. OP for example as he did it literally out of spite, but artists are entitled to demand respect for something they literally created and wouldn't exist otherwise.

Noonim (ID: e62f3e)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  233430

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>>233427
Demand whatever you want. I will mock you for it, generally speaking, if I think it's dumb. My biggest contention will be when artists abuse dmca type stuff, and get edits, or similar such, taking down.

Maybe it is because I come from the chans, but, personally, I cannot stand the general concept of preventing people from modifying your works.
I guess that's because that's 90% of memes.

Now, if we were talking about refusing to credit, that I understand. That's pretty dickish if you are doing it intentionally.

Anonymous (ID: dbdde6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233433

>artist
>DeviantArt

Found your problem. I don't know what's worse in this case. The trolling or the shitty artwork underneath it.

Donut Steel strikes again!

Ika (ID: 4bfc0f)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233435

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>>233430
And that makes you an asshole.

>>233433
I'd love to see you try drawing.

Noonim (ID: e62f3e)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  233438

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>>233435
That's subjective. An asshole to someone may just be a powdered doughnut to someone else

(ID: 631288)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233446

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>>233418
>which is an important technique for learning how to draw
i dunno, i kinda feel like that would hinder you from creating your own art style

im no artist myself, but i would think you get better results from practicing your own technique

tracing is just tracing, i dunno what you can gain from that

Noonim (ID: e62f3e)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  233453

>>233446
As someone who's been trying to get in to the lot, not really. A huge chunk of learning has to do with muscle memory and being able to make clean lines.
Tracing is good for that. I'd be inclined to junk anything that comes out, mind, but, still

(ID: 631288)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233455

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Mk17 (ID: 4b5ad6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233456

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>pic
I have disrespected artwork...

But i think the artist has the right to put terms on their artwork if you are buying it from them, if you dont agree, go to another artist.

(ID: 631288)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233462

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>>233456
nah man, it's too hard to respect simple requests

s/

Noonim (ID: e62f3e)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  233467

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>>233462
To be fair requests like this are very cancer.
I mean, you're buying a product.

Imagine if your car company said "no modifications of your vehicle you buy allowed, you can't use it to advertise anything, or claim it is your car. ".

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>>233425

That's attribution theft, though. If they attribute the original work, and don't claim it as their own it's fine.

Except that's how the artist gets wind of their trace and has it censored!

>>233427

> Yeaaaaaa i think you are going to need this


Copyright makes corrupt fucks billions of dollars while hurting the creators who've been deluded into thinking they're protected by it. That's not an exaggeration, or a fantasy.

> That doesn't make artists wanting their work to be respected something bad.


Wanting your work to be respected is fine. Forcing people to respect your work whether or not they think it's worth respecting, for your own personal definition of "respect" is not.

>>233433

I know, and it's been the biggest art site on the entire Internet for the last 20 years! That they're being total faggots is just unforgivable given the amount of influence they have on our collective mindshare.

>>233456

As long as they're charging money for something they're actually doing or providing, I'm fine with that stuff. Terms like "You may not compete with me" I don't take kindly to though.

>>233446

Yeah, tracing is important. Not worth sharing IMO, since it's just a muscle memory exercise and literally every trace is worse than the original. But some people like to imagine their favorite characters in whatever situation it is, and yes they didn't put effort into it if all they do is trace, but I don't see it doing any harm to anyone else. Tracing is certainly a lot more effort than just drawing moustaches on something.

>>233467

Those conditions actually are in the contracts for selling phones... it's pretty hideous.

Anonymous (ID: dbdde6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233475

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>>233435
>I'd love to see you try drawing.
You won't because I am in full possession of the ability to realize what is skill sufficient to produce artwork of high enough quality to post on the web. I know my drawing skill sucks and admit it freely.

The defense of work as posted by the OP by saying let's see better isn't a defense at all. This is about a very poor piece of art that no one in their right mind would want to plagiarize in any manner.

(ID: 631288)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233476

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>>233467
it's a request

it doesnt mean you have to comply, but it is dumb to make it a big deal

(ID: 7469ed)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  233477

>>233475

Aww, don't feel bad. I'll plagarize your work in some manner!

Mk17 (ID: 4b5ad6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233478

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>>233462
B-but... if i dont agree with your terms... you are evil, and must be stopped! The world has no right to exist outside my interpretation of how things should be!

>>233474
>Terms like "You may not compete with me" I don't take kindly to though.
Is that an example outside of what listed in OP? Because i dont see it there.

Noonim (ID: e62f3e)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  233479

>>233476
Seems to be writ as an agreement for any commissions you get.

(ID: 631288)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233482

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>>233478
right? it's too hard to just move on with it and not make a big deal out of it

like, one could just go to another artist

no thats too hard!

>>233479
dont pay for their commission then

Noonim (ID: 86f6a9)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  233491

>>233482
I won't, of course. Instead, I'll mock them on the internet

(ID: edffea)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  233496

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There are two kinds of artists.

There are artists that make something because they want people to enjoy it.

The other kind are people who make art because they expect to be praised for it.

The first kind are the best kind, the second kind are the worst kind.

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>>233491
wow what a tough guy

Ika (ID: 4bfc0f)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233499

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>>233496
I am all 3 types.
The one that wants to make stuff people enjoy.
The one that wants praise for it.
And the one that want's money for it.

Mk17 (ID: 4b5ad6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233500

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>>233482
No! Things must be my way, or its evil, out to get me, and must be destroyed.

>>233496
So every movie, tv show, and song is made by the worst kind of artist?
Edit: Commercial song.
>>233497
lel
This post was edited by its author on .

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>>233500
it just doesnt make any sense

some people make a bigger deal out of things than they need to be

>artist asks you to not do this

me: okay

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>>233478

Oh, well sort of. There are a few edge cases, but mostly it was just an example of a bogus contract.

>>233482

Yeah! Vote with your dollars! So that puts you at a financial disadvantage, while everyone who has more dollars than you gets more votes, but hey, that's no problem right?

>>233496

I don't care about artists seeking praise. It's only human to want to feel validated in what you do. But when an artist starts pressuring other people to respect them, that's where I draw the line.

>>233500

The commercial entertainment industry has... issues. They're what I think's causing all these "unimportant" artists to join in the self flagellation, down at the bottom of the popularity heap.

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>>233506
what does that have anything to do with an artist that makes a request like this?

Mk17 (ID: 4b5ad6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233512

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>>233503
You're part of the problem maaaaan

If your not crusading, your stifling progress.

>>233506
I mean, a contract is something that is participated in between 2 willing parties... so if you arnt willing, dont participate.
Someone saying you cant use their own work to compete with them, is basically like a landlord saying you cant sub-let an apartment.


>The commercial entertainment industry has... issues.

Thats why I dont really participate in it.
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>>233512
you're a part of the problem for having a choice!

Chewy!!Twilight Sparkle (ID: c9c9fc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233514

any chance someone could photoshop a Bane mask onto Rin (from Katawa Shoujo)?

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>>233510

Okay, first off it's not a request. It's a demand. Artists are taking actions to prevent people from doing things they don't like, rather than expressing an opinion about what they don't like. Second off, why are artists demanding this in the first place? It's sick that we're poisoning them with ego tripping nonsense, claiming they get to push people around just because they drew a good thing.

>>233512

Boycotting doesn't work.

> Someone saying you cant use their own work to compete with them, is basically like a landlord saying you cant sub-let an apartment.


They're saying I can't build an apartment on my own property that looks like their apartments.

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>>233519
so everyone is doing this now?

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: bf7216)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233625

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>>233354
>faggotry
>stopping

Whatchu smokin.

Anonymous (ID: 32f4e4)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233685

>>233354
Some time ago there was someone from Ponychan who would do edits of artists work and post it on Derpibooru. When the people there told him that it would be a good idea to get the artist's permission before doing that, and also to AT LEAST credit the original artist instead of only tagging his own name, he threw one of the most entitled hissy fits I've ever seen.

He said the site should be grateful that he is "providing content" and that he shouldn't be pressed to credit the artist because it is just "a fap site" anyway.

On top of that, the original artist had already expressed some time before that they were pretty much done posting on Derpibooru and didn't want to put any new work there, which is why the new edits seemed especially egregious.

I'm sort of sensing that same breed of entitlement from OP right now.
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Noonim (ID: bf5e21)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233769

>>233528
Certainly a large chunk of artists take major offense to edits, from my experience.

(ID: 631288)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233770

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>>233769
i mean, if you're an artist and you've spent time workings on a project and someone turns around just edits it

yeah, i kinda get their point

Noonim (ID: bf5e21)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233771

>>233770
Meh. I don't. I mean, unless they're refusing to credit the original artist, anyway.
Maybe it's my exposure to the 'chans, as said, but, these are often done either for the memes, or by request, because someone wanted something out of them. I don't think edits are wrong, in any real capacity. Unless we start saying putting a spoiler on a car is "wrong".

(ID: 631288)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233773

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>>233771
comparing this stuff to a car doesnt make sense

stop using this analogy

cars are meant to be sold as a simple product

art is art

of course you can go ahead and make edits anyway

nobody is likely gonna stop you

Noonim (ID: bf5e21)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233774

>>233773
Commissioned work is a product.
>nobody is likely gonna stop you
Well, unfortunately, that's not necessarily the case.
There are certainly those who will try.

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>>233774
you know, i can agree with that

j (ID: e1e607)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233778

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>>233777
PRAISE TRIPS!

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Anonymous (ID: dbdde6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233895

Mk17 (ID: 4b5ad6)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233916

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>>233519
>Boycotting doesn't work.
It does on a personal level, I dont have to worry about their contract if i choose not to participate in it, and if enough people do that, they will change the contract if they dont want to lose money.

Paying for it, participating, and then complaining about it on the internet doesn't work.

>They're saying I can't build an apartment on my own property that looks like their apartments.

I take it you are pretty against copy right laws?

But in this example, clearly the contract you are entering into grants you possession of the work, but not ownership, like software, or an apartment.

EMF Crossbow Pone (Thread Pet) (ID: bc47dc)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  233922

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I don't see the problem.

Except, like, 'no editing, cropping or drawing over'. But at the same time if it's for private use who's going to stop you?


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