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Bold text Mk17 (ID: 428356)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid:   229624

Here is something I've often thought, but I always though it was too lame of a question to ask.

But since nothing is going on atm it seems, why not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Do you think its more advantageous for us as a society to keep building, or do you think it would be more advantageous to simply maintain what we have?

This is a question that I get in my head especially when I drive through NYC. Its such a colossal city, in complete disrepair. Like to the point where when driving through on I95, there are points where you feel like a bridge is going to come down on you (one time some concrete did indeed come down near me) or the road is so ripped up and covered in old tires that its a gamble if you'll even make it home.

Whelp!tEfVeritas (ID: c6974a)Country code: goggles.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229625

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The US has this problem where, because there's so much space, old, decrepit buildings aren't torn down to make room for something new, because it costs more than just getting some more land and building on that. It's like part of the natural cycle of building and destroying is missing.

AustroSpike (ID: 81051a)Country code: at, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229626

We certainly need to build smarter.
Empty living space is a disgrace and so is putting concrete over top notch soil and so is building expensive houses directly into flood risk land.

Mk17 (ID: 428356)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229627

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>>229625
Depends on where you are.

Take NYC again, its pretty much at Max as far as buildable space goes, unless they tap into central park, but they keep trying to cram more in.

Meanwhile, what they already have is falling apart.

The same can be said for Tech too... it seems like, instead of making what we have now work efficiently, and reliably, there is just a push to make it more shiny. Maybe its just my experience, but it seems like smart phones are becoming less and less usable, but have more and more "features".

Discord is a good example of this, seems like there are updates all the time, and I always get a message letting me know that now there is a store or now i can use a .gif as an avatar (for a nominal fee) but, i still cant send a picture reliably, the chat still bounces up about 30 messages sometimes when i receive one, and I still can resize the window to fit better on my screen.

And the mobile program is that much worse.

Seems like they should work on making it a solid platform then add the flashy bits.

Mk17 (ID: 428356)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229628

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>>229626
>Empty living space is a disgrace and so is putting concrete over top notch soil and so is building expensive houses directly into flood risk land.
These are 2 good points. Its a shame that there are more empty houses than homeless people, but we keep tearing down more forest to build new houses.

My house is on a river that gets flooded about once every 100 years, but the way the land was managed (from 1740) there is no need for flood insurance because a levy was built and my house sits about 10' over the max flood level.
That was engineering that was sound, and it was over 200 years ago. They allowed for the river to rise and fall and chose a building spot that would take that into account, with straight wall banks being built.

In fact, the only work i need to do is to UNDO the damage of the past 100 years, where they allowed trees to grow in the retaining wall, and they build out buildings on the lower banks of the river that will surely be swept away in the next flood.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 4eded8)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229630

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>>229627
>The same can be said for Tech too... it seems like, instead of making what we have now work efficiently, and reliably, there is just a push to make it more shiny. Maybe its just my experience, but it seems like smart phones are becoming less and less usable, but have more and more "features".
Careful, you're getting dangerously close to saying something anti-capitalist.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 4eded8)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229631

In fact, this whole thread is dangerously close to being anti-capitalist!

Ika (ID: 5af926)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229632

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Both.
Infrastructure is pointless if it's in disrepair as it would not work as intended.
And we keep growing like the pest we are, so we constantly need more and more.

100% Buzzing Blueberry Drone {🐛BUG🍏}ycorn of FOREST HIVE (ID: c61a55)Country code: bug.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229633

LET'S ALL TEAR DOWN EVERY SINGLE CITY

AND

TRANSFORMS EVERTHING INTO A FOREST HIVE OF JUNGLE VILLAGES

Ika (ID: 5af926)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229634

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>>229633
I'd love this as long as I can get a job as the hive queen's cocksleeve.

Noonim (ID: e62f8b)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229635

>>229624
There's no point in living if you don't improve

Cities are cancer, though. Nobody should live in cities. We ought to spread out.
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Mythix(pchans supervillain)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 7af23a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229636

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We need to fix the roads. Although it is fun to drive on bad roads with an off roading vehicle just to flex on street car niggas.

Hubert!Zn.OKn9A2o (ID: 785764)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229639

It is kind of interesting that Japanese people only expect their houses to last 25 or 30 years before they demolish them and rebuild them again. It seems like such a waste of materials.
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Chewy!!Twilight Sparkle (ID: 466b4d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229646

Whelp!tEfVeritas (ID: c6974a)Country code: goggles.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229648

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>>229627

> The same can be said for Tech too... it seems like, instead of making what we have now work efficiently, and reliably, there is just a push to make it more shiny. Maybe its just my experience, but it seems like smart phones are becoming less and less usable, but have more and more "features".


That's because it's all about getting more average idiots to buy this shit.

I used to work for a major manufacturer of networking equipment. Everything new they came out with was made to be "simpler", and more "intuitive", which generally meant removing actual features from the products while trying to make things as plug and play as possible. For example, geofencing. It was being pushed majorly when I worked there. I'm not sure how it is now, but back then, the technology simply wasn't there to make it work properly. Yet they pushed the fuck out of that shit anyways, because it sounds fucking awesome that you can have your wireless alarm system turn on automatically when you leave your home. It didn't matter that the technology just wasn't developed enough for public use yet, because it moved product, and that's all that mattered.

Geofencing, motion sensitivity, wireless mesh networks, all this shit that was only half-baked, but they kept stuffing it into products. People don't want to know how it actually works. When they buy their repeater and find out it has a separate network name from their main router (So you can, oh, I don't know, tell which fucking access point you're connecting to), they got upset. They thought it would somehow be the same network, despite coming from two different points. And eventually, we came out with a product that purported to do that, except it actually didn't, they just had the same fucking name so idiots would think it did that. But the idiots were happy. And then in firmware updates, they removed more troubleshooting tools because idiots might mess with those settings and then call in to complain that it no longer works.

Hell, I had some old dumbass whose old router stopped working complain because the new ones were all black. You see, he wanted a white one, because his walls were white, and it needed to match.

You wanna know why technology gets worse and is filled with half-finished "features" and made for form over function? It's because that's what most consumers want, and even though the companies should know better, they can't see for the fucking dollar signs permanently covering their eyeballs.

/rant

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 5719c9)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229650

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>>229624
Burn it all down.

Mint horse (ID: 29ff8f)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229667

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If America spent less money on war and welfare the country could not only properly maintain and improve it's infrastructure. It could also invest heavily in other important areas, like science.

The problem isn't a lack of recourses, it's the horrible allocation of resources.

Anonymous (ID: dc1877)Country code: tux.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229671

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>>229667

Think you so? The President says the other NATO countries aren't paying their fair share and we've been footing the extra bills for decades.

Nonsensical calls for funding a Space Force aside, I'd be the first one to condemn the bean counters who want to replace the sexy, reliable A-10. And the wankers who want to scrap the not-quite-as-sexy but still-pretty-cool V22 Ospreys for being too dangerous.
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Tracer Bullet (ID: d0089a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229676

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>>229624
Read the robot series by Isaac Asimov. Basically this dudes main fear was overpopulation and having humanity barely thrive in one location while in other planets some humans live in luxury being tended to hand and foot.

Mk17 (ID: bf0555)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229693

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>>229630
>>229631
Its not anti capitalist, there is money to be made in maintenance haha. With the tech companies, people would FLOCK to a company that actually built a solid product at this point, the demand is there, but no one has... wait for it... capitalized on it!
OHHHHHHHH
*DAB D-DAB DAB* ~airhorns~
>>229632
This i can understand with roads, they wont make cars smaller or relax regulations so we can drive UTVs on public roads (which is all i want to do!) so they have to make roads bigger to accommodate more traffic with growing population... but they just keep building houses that arnt being sold.

But seriously, if i could use a golf cart or UTV on the road, it would solve the traffic problem, i would do it sooooo fast haha.

>>229635
Cant you improve what you have though? I mean, maintenance is still improvement and you can incrementally improve infrastructure as you maintain it. You can also improve materials and techniques that are used in the maintenance. And in tech, you can improve the reliability and efficiency of a product rather than starting from scratch every time you want to introduce a new program/hardware.
>>229636
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

>>229648
Yeah, and thats what i figure when it comes to tech, or any new product tbh. Its about saying you have the next cool thing, rather than delivering. The advertising department is leading the engineering department and thats a recipe for disaster.
I would have arguments with my friend who went to school for industrial design, because in his classes he was taught form over function which to me, is completely absurd, but from a marketing standpoint, its gospel.
>>229650
You strike the match.
>>229667
This >>229671
Also, the A10 would be a perfect candidate for what im talking about, they could inovate to minimize the drawbacks of the A10 and still be able to keep the lagistic advantage of keeping the old design, but then i guess what would Lockheed Martin be doing with their time?
>>229676
Sometimes i wonder if scifi is forward thinking, or if we are influenced by it to the point where we start to just fallow its lead haha.
Ill check that book out if i remember, sounds interesting.
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(ID: 75d376)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229695

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>>229631
supporting better infrastructure isnt "anti-capitalist" at all

literally most infrastructure companies are privately owned anyway and gets subsidies from government with peoples tax dollars

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 4eded8)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229696

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>>229693
> there is money to be made in maintenance haha
>With the tech companies, people would FLOCK to a company that actually built a solid product at this point, the demand is there, but no one has... wait for it... capitalized on it!
There is, but there's even more money to be made in selling people products that aren't designed to last so they have to buy a new one a few years later. The smartphone and computer industry are plagued by a nasty case of planned obsolescence.

Maybe imported Chinese or Japanese phones will outcompete American ones and force the industry here to change, though, like what happened with the auto industry. Assuming it's not the same story over there, of course.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 4eded8)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229698

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>>229695
>supporting better infrastructure isnt "anti-capitalist" at all
It can be, if you want that infrastructure deprivatized. But I'm half joking anyway.

Mk17 (ID: bf0555)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229699

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>>229696
>There is, but there's even more money to be made in selling people products that aren't designed to last so they have to buy a new one a few years later.
I legit got an update on my LG that bricked the phone, and so did a lot of people at the same time, to force me to go get a new one haha.
>Maybe imported Chinese or Japanese phones will outcompete American ones and force the industry here to change, though, like what happened with the auto industry.
AWWWWFLLLLY capitalist statement too... and globalist.
That might happen though, unless there are tariffs put in place.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 4eded8)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229700

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>>229699
>AWWWWFLLLLY capitalist statement too...
Hey, gotta give credit where credit is due. Sometimes the invisible hand does its job correctly! When the Toyotas lasted longer than the Fords, the Fords had to adapt to stay alive.

Anonymous (ID: dc1877)Country code: tux.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229702

>>229699
>LG
They're miles better than anything from Samdung, but their "updates" are still garbage that are as likely to put you in a bootloop as not. DirtyCOW is an essential tool, you cunts. Not malicious.

https://android-apk.org/com.cyanogenmod.android.fotakill/
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Mk17 (ID: bf0555)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229704

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>>229700
And adapt they did, which is why they were the only american auto company that didnt take a bail out, and its why my focus is such a robust little fuel efficient people mover haha.

Its a real shame they are dropping all their cars in the US to focus on SUVs and trucks except the fusion because i really like their cars.

But their SUVs are getting almost as fuel efficient as the cars anyway.

>>229702
I hate apple and android. I wish my phone ran linux. Wish the Ubuntu phone actually got off the ground.

(ID: 75d376)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229723

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>>229698
fair enough

i mean, it's fine to have social safety nets in a capitalistic society

im fine with that

but when you get to a point where government begins to get in the way of the economic process

you end up with a junkyard

(ID: 75d376)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229730

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imagine driving down that highway on this
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Mk17 (ID: bf0555)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229732

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>>229730
Hahaha i want that more than anything!

Mint horse (ID: 3564c3)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229733

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>>229671
>>229693
Take the F-35 as an example. It costs over a trillion dollars, and is absolutely useless. It's only slightly superior to it's older models and will probably be obsolete in 20 years, at most.

Who are you going to use it against anyway? Russia and china are the only countries that you could use these things on. That or you could waste them in another pointless war in the Middle East. If you ever got to use these things in a war against Russia or China that war would most likely go nuclear, which again make those trillion dollar jets worthless.

Americas military is way over rated anyway. Much of China's technology is way more advanced, and Russia's pretty much on par with you, and swiftly improving. You guys will run out of tritium in a few decades and then your nuclear weapons will become useless. And I doubt your conventional weapons will be much better by that point.

Why waste a trillion dollars on a worthless plans when your whole countries infrastructure is crumbling around you, and you can't provide basic necessities like health care to your people.

You waste trillions on useless junk and then wonder why much of your country is a second world shit hole, akin to Mexico. The problem is that you're way too arrogant and stubborn to admit this, and would literally rather see people die on your crumbling streets of easily curable illnesses than cut your mostly worthless military one bit. You're so vain that you'd rather live in a shit hole than a decent country, as long as the rest of the world thinks you're #1.

Is having the fanciest, over priced jet worth more to you than living in a good country?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-04-04/is-the-f-35-a-trillion-dollar-mistake

https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/03/06/commentary-the-looming-crisis-for-us-tritium-production/

(ID: 75d376)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229734

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>>229733
>Much of China's technology is way more advanced
it really seriously isnt

most of chinese tech is knock versions of our stuff

russia on the other deserves credit because they actually try

Mint horse (ID: 1ba009)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229735

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>>229734
I was referring to China's military technology, which is far more advanced than what they sell to the west.

(ID: 75d376)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229736

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>>229735
so am i and it's military technology is a joke

again, cheap knock off stuff that is like our equipment

Mint horse (ID: 1ba009)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229737

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>>229736
I disagree.

Besides you're missing the point. Most of Americas military is over priced and worthless. And yet you can't even maintain a decent health care system.

Mk17 (ID: bf0555)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229738

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>>229733
>It costs over a trillion dollars
No it doesn't.
>and is absolutely useless
No its not
>and will probably be obsolete in 20 years, at most.
Considering your statement of aircraft carriers being "obsolete" im not inclined to take your judgment on anything related to military tech.

(ID: 75d376)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229739

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>>229737
you can disagree all you want

for a country that doesn't even have joint command, mostly uses outdated equipment, hasnt even built their own aircraft carrier, their army serves the communist party and not the nation or it's people. seems like a pretty big issue and loaded with corruption

now for our military

over priced? maybe. worthless? no

now, i will agree we spend a lot of on it

we also foot a huge chunk of change to NATO and other military efforts across the world. the few only ones who seem to contribute mostly to these things besides us is south korea and japan

as for healthcare, we could actually pay for that on our current budget but thats up the government to learn to allocate tax payer money, and to put a leash on the federal reserve
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(ID: 75d376)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229740

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>>229738
>image

Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 294cb3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229741

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>>229740
What did you think it was for?

(ID: 75d376)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229742

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>>229741
did you make it?

Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 294cb3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229743

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>>229742
Nahhhh.

That one, i found.

Mint horse (ID: 1ba009)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229744

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Mk17 (ID: bf0555)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229747

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>>229744
>They can easily be destroyed by anti ship missiles
Oh yeah... "anti-ship missiles", forgot about those.

/)_-

>This article needs additional citations for verification.

Always a good first sentence in an article linked to prove a point.
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(ID: 75d376)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229748

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>>229744
first link meh

2nd link nothing new or impressive

3rd link we have all the same shit and likely better

4th meh

likely BS chinese propaganda as always

for a country that doesnt even have a proper joint command i am not impressed

4/10 even russia does it better than china at least
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Mk17 (ID: bf0555)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229749

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>>229744
and i know your next argument it going to be "but the dont have many guns!" because you have made it before...

Apparently you have never heard of a fleet, or... you forgot that an aircraft carrier carries... aircraft.

I get that you have never heard of a fleet, you are from Scotland and row boats dont count.

Mint horse (ID: 1ba009)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229751

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>>229747
>citation

Look up a few articles for yourself if you don't like mine.

>>229748
You claimed that China didn't have any aircraft carriers, so I'm just a bit suspicious of the other claims you're making about China.

>>229749
It takes time to get those aircraft ready, and if China were to bombard you with several missiles at leat some would get through.

What do aircraft carriers actually provide? They were primarily created because planes didn't have enough fuel to effectively reach there targets and get back home. Most modern aircraft have more than enough fule to make a safe mission to their destination and back. Aircraft carriers are just a status symbol. They're completely obsolete because of the more efficient fule methods modern plans use.

How dare you slander our row boats!

(ID: 75d376)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229752

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>>229751
>This article needs additional citations for verification.
yeah, likewise

i didnt say they dont have air craft carries

i said they never made their own

they use old shitty soviet ones from years ago and they also refurbish them
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Mint horse (ID: 1ba009)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229755

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>>229755
i just personally dont see china as a real threat to be honest

same with north korea

however, russia at least has a leg to stand on because they are at least trying to modernize and have warfare experience and a joint command

they also make their own shit much like we do in the US

for example those AK-74's are pretty good rifles if you ask me

although M16's/M4's have much more greater advantages
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Mk17 (ID: bf0555)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229761

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>>229751
>Look up a few articles for yourself if you don't like mine.
I see plenty of click bait without having to look it up.

>>229751
>It takes time to get those aircraft ready
Nimitz class can launch a plane about every 20 seconds.

But your right, pilots have to get ready and and people need to get to positions, and all that takes about 5 minutes, which is plenty of time to spot aircraft on radar and intercept.
>and if China were to bombard you with several missiles at leat some would get through.
Ill address this in a moment.
>What do aircraft carriers actually provide?
A deployable airstrip and high command center to anywhere on earth that never needs refueling.
>Most modern aircraft have more than enough fule to make a safe mission to their destination and back.
No they don't. Not all aircraft are long range bombers, and long range bombers cant maintain air superiority and patrol an airspace for hours.
>Aircraft carriers are just a status symbol.
Big gun diplomacy is still diplomacy, and still has a very real effect and usefulness.
>They're completely obsolete because of the more efficient fule methods modern plans use.
Sounds like you are an expert.

>How dare you slander our row boats!

They are very nice.

>>and if China were to bombard you with several missiles at leat some would get through.

>pic
You understand that they dont travel alone right?
They travel in a fleet, which includes ships dedicated to anti air defense. Its highly unlikely that a missile would make it through.
In fact, the only thing i can find about China being able to sink a US aircraft carrier is an article by InfoWars, and it only sites "state of the art missiles from china", and even if its true, it was in a war game, and the hole has most likely been plugged, thats the point of war games.
The french sunk one with a sub once, that woke some people the fuck up
Of course every country is always developing tech to sink each others aircraft carriers and tech to counter it, but that kind of proves how effective they are, if they are such a worthy target.
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Tracer Bullet (ID: d0089a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229762

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>>229693
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_series_(Asimov)
The Caves of Steel, The Naked Sun, and The Robots of Dawn specifically.

Mint horse (ID: 1ba009)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229763

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>>229758
>comparing China to North Korea

I think you're unfairly underestimating China. They're the second biggest country in terms of their economy, and the biggest in terms population. They also have one of the worlds highest IQs, and a mostly homogeneous population to go along with that.

China has, and will continue to modernise it's military. Just give them some time and they'll be far ahead of America.

>>229761
>refuelling

America has more than enough military bases all over the world for this not to be a problem.

>they travel in a fleet


That only makes them a liability. All they're going to do is slow the other ships down, and avert massive amounts of their attention to the aircraft carrier.

>worthy target


Those missiles aren't designed specifically for taking down aircraft carriers. They're for a more general use.

You two just need to shut the fuck up and stop talking shit about the superior Chinese master race. You're making me angry! Stop watching evil capitalist western media, and instead pledge your allegiance to Xi.

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>>229763
i didnt compare the two

i said the two arent a threat in my eyes

so, until they stop using knock off junk i will start to believe

and for fucks sake they need to drop that shitty bullpup type 95

they should at the very least revert back to the type 56

Mk17 (ID: bf0555)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229765

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>>229763
Okie dokie then.

Mint horse (ID: 1ba009)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229766

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>>229764
China sells America knock off junk, but that doesn't say anything about their military capability. Germany has virtually no military, but their manufacturing is excellent.

>>229765
Here another good reaction image.

These are the kind of luxuries you get when you pledge your soul to Xi.

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>>229766
bro, their military capability isnt anything impressive

Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 294cb3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229768

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>>229766
>Here another good reaction image.
What did i say that implied i thought the first one was good?

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 0bb268)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229769

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>>229693
Ok. You bring the gas!
(Darnit cant find the image i wanted, Scoots flying away from a blaze with a gas can)

>>229671
Trying to ground the A-10 is an example of how fucked up our resource allocation is, don't get me started on education.

Speaking of planes
Russian Jet Fighter - Sukhoi Su-37

>>229752
Don't they have just one soviet non-catapult carrier they use for training and are underway on production of a superclass carrier of some kind? Saw some vid about it.
Secretly China to Build the Second Biggest Aircraft Carrier Fleet in the World

Besides, China doesnt need sinkable airports anyway, their entire sphere of influence is covered by several manufactured islands big enough you could nuke them and there'd be enough left to continue operations.

Aircraft carriers are no more obsolete though, than battleships were in WWII. Its funny, just because a few were sunk by aircraft they've been called obsolete and the US hasn't built any more but, they sure played a key role in softening landing targets and if we didn't have any im pretty sure we'd build some.

In reality war equipment is less about what kind and more about how many do you have right now, can you afford to produce, can you supply.

Nothing is actually useless regardless if "obsolete".

Big News! China plans to sell Aircraft Carrier to Pakistan and integrate it militarily
Oh look china gonna sell a carrier to Pakistan. (Is this legit news?) With our 10 soon to be 11 carriers we need to keep in mind theres a lot of other equipment out there soon.

>>229755
Minty i think that big upheaval thats coming may be coincidental in timing to the completion of China's carrier fleet, supposed to be something like 5 ships by 2030 maybe?

Mint horse (ID: 1ba009)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229770

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>>229767
What are you basing this claim on?

>>229768
Trixie was laughing.

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>>229769
it's just refurbished junk

china always claims to have all this cool and superpower stuff but never seems to reveal it officially

all bark

to say china has more of a advanced military than the west is laughable

>>229770
articles ive read of the years

the reason why they've have "largest military" in the world is because they're military service is mandatory

some not even currently enlisted
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Mint horse (ID: 1ba009)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229773

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>>229769
Thank you!

Mint horse (ID: 1ba009)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229775

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>>229772
Even if they are conscripted the sheer amount of people alone is terrifying.

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>>229775
not really

if they were to pick a fight with the west they'd already be in trouble just having japan across the pound which is a country that doesnt like china at all

and they historically never have
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Mint horse (ID: 1ba009)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229781

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>>229778
Japan isn't willing to go to war with China. It would completely destroy the country.

Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 294cb3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229782

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>>229770
Alright then.

>>229769
>Don't they have just one soviet non-catapult carrier they use for training and are underway on production of a superclass carrier of some kind?
Last i knew of they had a few ramp-launchers (dont know if thats what they are called but you know what i mean.) and no vessles equipped with catapults or nuclear reactors.
They have been saying they will be building a fleet of "super carriers" since i was in middle school, but then, why wouldn't they say that? I'm sure they would like to, but if they are or not for realsies is yet tbd.

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>>229781
japan is apart of NATO

japan has a history of hating china

yes they absolutely would

Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 294cb3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229785

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>>229781
You know Japan wouldnt go to war alone if there was a conflict with china, right?

Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 294cb3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229788

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>>229784
Japan is not a member of NATO.

Mint horse (ID: 1ba009)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229790

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>>229784
This >>229788

>>229785
Yes. What's your point?

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>>229788
you're right my bad

but they are certainty an ally of the US

forgot that

>>229790
they are still an ally and a dedicated one at that

the US and japan have great relations

and japans hate for china would greatly give them a reason to help the US anyway
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Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 294cb3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229792

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>>229790
>this
Dont get too smug, they are a NATO ally.

>whats your point

My point is, discussing global politics with you is like talking to a cat about how to fix a car.

Mint horse (ID: 1ba009)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229793

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>>229791
China would absolutely weak Japan with it's nuclear weapons.

It don't think they're up for a third round.

>>229792
At least cats are cute.

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>>229793
unless they wanna live in a wasteland themselves i doubt it

japan is backed up but a good portion of the world

plus china has a very valuable dam

anyone hits that and they're royally fucked

they have a weak spot that sticks out like a sore thumb

Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 294cb3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229795

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>>229793
Eye of the beholder.

Mint horse (ID: 1ba009)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229798

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>>229794
That just adds to the reasons why they won't go to war with each other

It's a non nuclear MAD situation. At least non nuclear on Japans part.

>>229795
But you are the beholder?

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>>229798
no, i am saying japan has a advantage and has the rest of the world on their side

if china was to start shit with the US then japan will back us up

why do you have so much faith in china anyway?

Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 294cb3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229806

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>>229798
Everyone is a beholder, the question is what of their eye?

But im going to bed, so you dont get to find out.

Mint horse (ID: 1ba009)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229808

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>>229802
I'm just extremely interested in the country and their culture.

In many ways they are superior to White people. They certainly don't share any of our weakness, like pathological altruism, or our unwillingness to collectivise for the greater good of our people.

They're also nowhere near as neurotic as us and have a far lower time preference. Not to mention their superior intelligence, or significantly longer history.

The only thing we have up on them is creativity, and empathy. Although as I said earlier too much empathy can be a bad thing.

>>229806
Goodnight.

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>>229808
china isnt a good example tbh

Mint horse (ID: 1ba009)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229813

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>>229810
I agree that China isn't perfect, (japans a better example.) all I'm saying is that they posses many superior qualities.

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>>229813
andi honestly disagree

Anonymous (ID: c816fe)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229825

>>229813
>all I'm saying is that they posses many superior qualities.
Like what? Do you know the reason why restaurants in China serve fish whole with the head still attached? (Hint: It isn't just historical tradition. It serves a very practical purpose.)

Mint horse (ID: 1ba009)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229826

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Anonymous (ID: c816fe)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229829

>>229808
>pathological altruism
Sure, if you consider it "pathological altruism" to refrain from poisoning baby food with melamine to save a few bucks.

>>229808
>our unwillingness to collectivise for the greater good of our people.
Yeah, collectivizing sure worked out great for the Chinese... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 0bb268)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229858

>>229825
Why do they serve the head? You make it sound like there is some kind of business practice reason like so we know its not fake.

a lost pony !piNKiEPie. (ID: 0bb268)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229861

>>229829
But we don't really refrain from that kind of thing, look what happened with the attempts to take carcinogenic plastics out of baby bottles.

Yes, we refrain from poisoning our babies when its not a strong lobby that profits from doing so, so still better than not refraining at all.


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