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Social Media (ID: 672bd5)Country code: amsterdam.png, country type: customflag, valid:   228891

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person left who doesn't have a Twitter/Facebook account.

Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 16c3c0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  228892

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>>228891
Unite!

I have a FB accout that i check once in a great while just because its the only way to talk to family in Spain.

Never had a twitter though.

Ika (ID: f2f756)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  228893

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I use twitter to follow artist and share my porn!
Also use facebook to keep in touch with family but I don't really post anything there, if anything all I use is messenger.

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>>228892
>>228893
Now I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't have a family either.

Mk17 (p-hone) (ID: 16c3c0)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  228895

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>>228894
We're your family!

Tracer Bullet (ID: 12fa6c)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  228896

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I have a facebook so employers can look and see that I have a facebook and linkedin. I use twitter to anonymously shitpost at people. Mostly to see people I give a shit about stream.

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I don't have a Twitter/Facebook account.

Mythix(pchans supervillain)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: 8b1c44)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  228898

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>>228891
Facebook is fantastic, you can get a 30 day ban just for talking about politics.

Mint horse (ID: 2c5ce4)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  228899

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Twitter/Facebook's for posting pictures of your spaghetti.

The chans are for talking about your spaghetti.

100% Buzzing Blueberry Drone {🐛BUG🍏}ycorn of FOREST HIVE (ID: 36a4de)Country code: bug.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  228902

where is all- the lusty lizard females porn on facebook

I troll /w naughty furry images on face accounts on facebook 2 mess around on castle age

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>>228898
you can get a 30 day ban just for talking about cuddly teddybears

-Z- (ID: 121d38)Country code: mlpchan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  228942

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Never had a Twitter really, stopped checking Facebook over 2 years ago.

Chewy!!Twilight Sparkle (ID: 270ad5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  228945

>twitter for news about music/vidya
>facebook to pretend I'm normal but also for memes/shitposting (honestly better than 4chan at this point)
>instagram for normie memes to appreciate partially-ironically
I mean I can see why people wouldn't want to bother with them but they're at the very least a fun way to kill time when you're bored. A lot of social media stuff is basically 4chan shitposting but without the unironic racism/sexism etc. which kinda makes it better. The key thing is to stay away from politics on social media because THAT will drive you insane.
But really though, I feel like right here is the most meaningful online community to me.
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!SATSUkIQg2 (ID: 0ee5b9)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  228946

Just leddit, and a YouTube account, so I can collaborate on Google docs and shitpost in the YouTube comments.

Anonymous (ID: 481116)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  228947

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Social media is only good for the Pigs to keep tabs on everyone, spread propaganda and let tweens be cruel dicks to eachother.

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>>228947
I wouldn't call them pigs. Most of them are just doing a job.

Ika (ID: 931fd6)Country code: mx, country type: geoip, valid: 1  228950

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>>228894
I'd be your daddy.

Anonymous (ID: 481116)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  228951

>>228949
A blatantly illegal job. Maybe when Congress puts their foot down and forces some semblance of due process and start putting the treasonous pigs in jail for wiping their asses with the 4th and 5th Amendments will I acknowledge the FBI and NSA's authority.

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>>228894
>I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't have a family either

(ID: 4d2363)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  228953

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i use facebook sometimes to see how people are doing

and twitter i just use to follow my favorite youtubers

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>>228951
Man, I detect some really strong butthurt here.

Weird you would bring up the 4thans 5th though, because those seem to be ones that aren't of general concern to people. Moreso the 5th than the 4th.

I now have questions.

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>>228953
I use YouTube to follow my favorite YouTuber's. It's weird and unorthodox, I know.

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>>228957
same, but twitter shows me when they're gonna upload

Chewy!!Twilight Sparkle (ID: 270ad5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  228964

>>228957
twitter is better because then you hear from them directly things like:
>what videos they're working on
>what will be uploaded first
>when they will be uploaded
>how long the videos will be
>who worked on the videos
etc. all ahead of time

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Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 2b3b89)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  228999

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I use Twitter to follow Touhou/shmup players, random trans people, YouTubers, speedrunners, artists, etc.

>>228947
>>228951
Based?!

>>228956
>4th and 5th though, because those seem to be ones that aren't of general concern to people
...?
You do realize these, particularly the 4th, are some of the most important constitutional rights we have?

Neppy!DESU/dTf9A (ID: d25fae)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229000

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*didn't meant to reply to this I don't know what I was thinking*

Nah, social media is pretty dumb. I have a facebook that I haven't used for years, but there's barely any information on that anyway.
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Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 2b3b89)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229002

Please don't pull the "nothing to hide" card, I know you're too smart to make that argument.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 2b3b89)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229010

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>>229000
"Whoops, this isn't Story"
t. Nepsi-Cola

Neppy!DESU/dTf9A (ID: d25fae)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229013

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>>229010
Basically.

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>>228999
>You do realize these, particularly the 4th, are some of the most important constitutional rights we have?

Oh, I'm not saying they're not important. The thing is, the fourth is about illegal searches and the fifth is mostly about not allowing someone to be tried twice for the same crime, and not forcing them to incriminate themselves.

Yes, these are very important, but USUALLY they aren't a concern unless you are in a situation in which those rights would actually apply in some fashion.... meaning that if your primary concern is about not being searched and not being forced to incriminate yourself, over say.... freedom of speech or the 15th amendment that secures your right to vote...

I'd say that there are some questions that need to be asked. People primarily concern themselves with things that are most relevant to their current lifestyle, and lets just say that if your primary concerns are the fourth and fifth amendment, the chances of you having something that you don't want anyone to know about seem quite high.
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>>228951
>>228999
Also, I'm curious how you guys think the world would function without law enforcement.

Cause if you think everyone would just play nice, I have bad news for you.

Maroon Auburn!QEUQfdPtTM (ID: 4bf93f)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229078

>Have Facebook
>Only talk to like two people on it regularly anyway

Sometimes I wonder why I bother

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>>229076

> Cause if you think everyone would just play nice, I have bad news for you.


What they'd do is form law enforcement. Because most people aren't secretly sadistic fucks just waiting for a chance to go Fury Road on society. Most people just want to get enough to eat, stay warm in the winter, feel okay about the future, and not see their loved ones brutally murdered. And they get no pleasure from doing it to yours.

Hubert!Zn.OKn9A2o (ID: d330ed)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229082

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>>228891
I don't participate Twitter or Facebook, either. I think it would serve me more harm than good. Maybe it's unfair for me to assume it does the same for everyone else.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 2b3b89)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229085

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>>229075
I don't have the right to vote, since I'm an LPR. But yes, the First Amendment is the most important one. That doesn't mean the Fourth and Fifth aren't also important, and they are, in fact, almost as important as the First. The notion that someone can only care about these amendments, or be infuriated when they are violated, is just as asinine as the notion that someone must only care about the First Amendment because they want to spew hate speech.

I don't give a damn about my "right" to spout bile about gassing the Jews. I would never, and if someone did, I would be disgusted with them. You can be sure of that. But the idea that the government can decide who is allowed to say what is not something I fuck with.

Likewise, the idea that any law enforcement agency can search or detain you without a warrant or probable cause is abhorrent to me, not because I have a stockpile of methamphetamine in my basement that I'm terrified the pigs will stumble upon, nor because I root for the Walter Whites of the world, but because that is a basic human right that can not and must not be violated, and because even Walter Whites have basic human rights and deserve to be treated justly. Full stop.

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>>229075
>>229085
every single right is just as equal than the other

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 2b3b89)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229095

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>>229087
"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."

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>>229095
there are laws in the USA that are outright evil and unjust

sadly thats where we stand

but these rights help out battle them

our criminal justice system is simply a joke

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>>228891
>>228894
Not too surprising.

I never thought I could ever be the only one that does or doesn't do a thing. That would be absurd and would either imply I'm a one of a kind freakshow or a one of a kind gem.

Starshine!Laura/wmXM (ID: 2b3b89)Country code: lunachan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229109

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>>229100
I hold the Bill of Rights very dear. This will perhaps annihilate any semblance of lefty cred I have, but I don't care that it was written by a white man, because that white man knew goddamn well what he was doing.

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>>229080
>What they'd do is form law enforcement. Because most people aren't secretly sadistic fucks just waiting for a chance to go Fury Road on society.

That has been the exact opposite of my experience so far, and what would make that law enforcement any different than what we currently have?

>>229085
We're not talking about technicality here. We're talking about prioritization.

>>229109
>I don't care that it was written by a white man, because that white man knew goddamn well what he was doing.

Anyone who writes something knows what they are doing, and if they are trying to make laws, they are going to make laws that favor them and those they care about most, regardless of race or other factors.

Humans are selfish by nature. That is how they function. What race or group is on top at any given time is purely decided by luck, as there is no difference in motive across the entire species.

Chewy (ID: 270ad5)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229200

>nothing to fear nothing to hide
>just doing their job
>without police people would be MONSTERS
>all in one thread
Seriously?

Jacey (ID: 319168)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229201

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I never engaged too strongly with social media, but I have most of them anyway because I like to keep in contact with friends and family. I never got on board with instagram and snapchat though since I don't take a lot of pictures.

AustroSpike (ID: 8bb91c)Country code: at, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229207

There are in fact more of us than many people like to think.

Mikie(phone)!GlimDubEqI (ID: c15b1b)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229235

>>229153
The bill of rights has nothing to do with "selfish nature". It was written to prevent government abuse

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>>229200
Most just do their job and people in general are monsters. I'm not saying police abusing their power doesn't happen, it just doesn't happen as often as people like to pretend it does.

>>229235
I wasn't referring to the bill of rights

Mythix(pchans supervillain)!wG1CV58ydQ (ID: c7371a)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229240

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When I take over the world I'm going to throw Zuck into the torture chambers.

vynn (ID: 57ee76)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229242

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I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't use snapchat or instagram. Never really had the desire to use either.

Mein!/Yui/vFl7I (ID: 15b746)Country code: ponychan.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229251

>>229242
Snapchat is the best one, though. I like to upload pet videos for other people to swipe past.

Lisbon (ID: 536a7e)Country code: ca, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229252

._.

Chewy!!Twilight Sparkle (ID: 270ad5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229254

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>>229238
How come you support police enforcing laws/having power over people, but the idea of the church having rules/power over people disgusts you? In either case you are giving up personal freedom to a higher authority that you did not help create. Why should you put faith that either will protect you?
Why do you think people are monsters but shit on religious people who use their faith in god to inspire them to do good? (and yes this does happen a lot, even if the "good" could be misguided).
Do you really believe that if authority/government were to be dissolved, people would simply resort to savagery? Why do you have such a dehumanizing view of humans?

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>>229254
>How come you support police enforcing laws/having power over people, but the idea of the church having rules/power over people disgusts you?

Law enforcement is based on reality, not myth. That is the primary difference.

>Why should you put faith that either will protect you?


I don't.

>Do you really believe that if authority/government were to be dissolved, people would simply resort to savagery?

For the most part, yes.

>Why do you have such a dehumanizing view of humans?

It's based on my observation of human behavior. Humans for the most part are only bound by social expectations. Everything you consider people to be is a lie, it's people playing pretend so they don't become outcast.

When you have a job and a customer is being a dick, do you get in their face and tell them to fuck off? No. You don't. You suck it up and be polite because you have to.

Do people not steal your shit because they feel bad that you will lose something you care about? No. They just don't want to be arrested for theft. The only thing holding society together is the threat of punishment.

If you think for a second if that threat went away people wouldn't immediately take advantage of it, you're horribly mistaken. It may not be Purge levels, but you can bet that riots and looting would be the norm.

Anonymous (ID: fc3d23)Country code: jsm.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229257

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>>229254
>How come you support police enforcing laws/having power over people, but the idea of the church having rules/power over people disgusts you?
these aren't even remotely the same thing

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>>229257
I'm glad someone has common sense enough to realize that.

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRo (ID: 8b082c)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229259

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>>229255
Myth may describe falsehoods, but the belief in myth is quite formidable.

I don't either, this interestingly makes two of us in that area.

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence, but merely a recounting of incidents warped through the lenses of the the storyteller, but moreover, this Hobbesian view of civilization depends on a rather lacking account of human subjects and interpersonal relationships, of which a million questions are raised and not least of which would be why is it that on this cursed planet, empathy and care for others exists within you, but never within others? How could complex motivations and cognition have arose in you, but not even be seeded within others?

>>229258
From a subjective point of view, cowering before the state and trembling before the gods, hoping against hope that pleasing them will spare your livelihood and grant you another day of life, feels and acts very similarly for the true believer.

Chewy!!Twilight Sparkle (ID: 270ad5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229260

>>229258
>>229257
re-read >>229254
>In either case you are giving up personal freedom to a higher authority that you did not help create.

>>229255
>Law enforcement is based on reality, not myth. That is the primary difference.
Why does that matter, in the case of submitting to authority/power?
How exactly does your "observation of human behavior" work? Are you referring to actually academically studying humans, or simply noticing things when you walk down the street?

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>>229259
>why is it that on this cursed planet, empathy and care for others exists within you, but never within others? How could complex motivations and cognition have arose in you, but not even be seeded within others?

Agent K ▶ A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. [HD]

You can reason with an individual. You cannot reason with a mob.

>>229259
>From a subjective point of view, cowering before the state and trembling before the gods, hoping against hope that pleasing them will spare your livelihood and grant you another day of life, feels and acts very similarly for the true believer.
>>229260
>Why does that matter, in the case of submitting to authority/power?

I think the difference here is that I don't see law enforcement as an encroachment. I do not fear them and I do not find them oppressive. I see them as a barrier between me and those who wish to do me harm. A deterrent.

>>229260
>How exactly does your "observation of human behavior" work? Are you referring to actually academically studying humans, or simply noticing things when you walk down the street?
Both.
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!SATSUkIQg2 (ID: 4680d3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229262

>>229259
>that on this cursed planet, empathy and care for others exists within you, but never within others?
Empathy is an outrageous falsehood people fuck themselves into believing in order to love themselves. Conditional altruism and compassion are not real altruism and compassion. The ordinarily kindhearted person who only resorts to killing and stealing to preserve their own existence when shit hits the fan for them can be seen as a coldhearted killer to begin with.

Until you forcibly expunge 100% of the people from society who would harm another under any circumstance, or who desire a "greater sense of purpose" for some other reason, you cannot have a functional anarchic world that will not revert to hierarchy under the power of those seeking to establish their own structure, because the best defense is offense and those who gain power are best at gaining more power. The fundamental gradients of the universe prohibit you from maintaining this chaos state indefinitely.

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>>229153

I didn't say it would be any better than what we have. Just that people'd be all worried like "Oh no we have to have police or the teenage boys will kill us" and probably just start trying to recreate what they'd lost.

>>229255

I think you might have been bullied a wee bit too much. Those bullies are the unnatural ones, created by an abusive, prejudiced culture. They only have power because everyone else plays pretend that they're friends, so they don't become targets. The reality you've seen may itself be an illusion. Don't rely on your past experiences, but instead either find statistically significant evidence, or say you don't know if law enforcement is important. I don't know if law enforcement is important, but if I look at the statistics to see who's killed and raped the most in history, generally it was someone in the military, not your average human being. People will do horrible things if they're trained, but otherwise... most are just people.

>>229262

You do know what "coldhearted" means, right?

It's true that everyone outside of Stephen Hawking possesses the capacity to cause death.
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>>229260
giving up some personal freedom to ensure the safety and wellbeing of society is a bit different from giving up all of it for the lulz

lemme break down your absurd statements and premise further

>In either case you are giving up personal freedom to a higher authority that you did not help create.

Law enforcement protect your personal freedom by restraining those who wish to enroach on it according to societies values based on democratically formed laws.

>Why should you put faith that either will protect you?

You can observe the actions of law enforcement.

>Do you really believe that if authority/government were to be dissolved, people would simply resort to savagery?

I mean, it's probable that society couldn't exist at its current scale and people would form smaller communities with vigilante law. Which at that point is just authority all over again, but everyone is worse off.

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>>229267
>You do know what "coldhearted" means, right?
Being a non-cuck with high survival odds.

You're aware of the basic concept of "arms races," are you not?
Are you aware of basic evolution?

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>>229267
>I think you might have been bullied a wee bit too much.

Really? You think being treated in such a way that you grew up feeling like a subhuman animal and being made to feel so worthless that you developed rape fantasies just so you can pretend someone wanted you even if it was as a disposable sex object was a 'wee bit too much'?

Being harassed to the point where your ability to process emotions is so completely shattered that the only way you can even feel anything at all is by feeding off the emotions of those around you was 'a wee bit too much'?

You think so?

!SATSUkIQg2 (ID: 4680d3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229275

>humans create problems
>humans blame the social structure itself instead of themselves, change the social structure
>the revolution, spearheaded by humans, creates more problems
>revert to old ways
>still plagued by the age-old problems they've stopped acknowledging as problems
>this amount of cognitive dissonance to prop up an artificial love of humanity

Chewy!!Twilight Sparkle (ID: 270ad5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229278

>>229270
>Law enforcement protect your personal freedom by restraining those who wish to enroach on it according to societies values based on democratically formed laws.
Correction: That's what they're supposed to do, but consistently fail to.

I'm not trying to argue that we should just abolish police right now, only pointing out that if you trust in the police the way they have demonstrated themselves to be up until this point, it's really not that different than trusting in an environment where church and state were NOT separate and religions acted as police.

I have more to say but I feel like this thread is heading into uncomfortable territory so I'm gonna refrain.

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>>229274

I may be understating things a teeny tiny bit.

It's hard to learn firsthand that people can get away with horrifying acts like that, and never get any justice for it. It's not your fault though. Even though it's a bad thing that shouldn't have happened, there's nothing you're obligated to do about it. You can hurt yourself bitterly trying to ensure your destruction is complete so that nobody can sympathize with your bullies at all, or you can just let the acts of those monsters stand for themselves, and not concern yourself with anything other than staying out of their control. Forgiveness doesn't mean accepting that they've done no wrong. It means accepting that they're gone, it's over, and you never have to feel that way again.

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>>229285
Justice is nothing more than justified revenge.

People will take advantage of you if you let them, it's just how they are. The rules prevent them from doing that, so I have more respect for the rules than I do people's complaints about the rules.

The rules protect. They don't care who you are, they have no bias or feeling. They just exist to be enforced. The people enforcing them may be bias and corrupt, but that is not the flaw of the rules, it is the flaw of the people enforcing them.

Macaroni !RevGiOKgRo (ID: 8b082c)Country code: pittsburgh.png, country type: customflag, valid: 1  229287

(Good Lord, what happened while I was away?)

>>229261
This is a rather alarming change in narrative, that people cannot care for others as themselves, to a quip that the group becomes a harmful entity in it's own right...which does not even contradict the existence of altruism done because someone found it personally rewarding, and they often coexist at the same time.

Then it is merely coincidental that the wishes of the state and the wishes of you yourself coincide; what then, should a magical fascist revolution happen and their wishes and yours are now in opposition? And indeed, the police, as a group of armed humans, ought to count as a dangerous threat in either interpretation you have given us. And moreover, the fact that people can literally tremble in fear before their god and his vengeance should drive you to theocracy, under your model of how humans seem to work such that they require terror in order to even function civilly.

Anecdotal evidence cannot count on a scientific or even statistical level, and I would love to hear about what literature you have read in the course of developing your theories.

>>229262
I do not deny that 'true altruism', defined as helping others solely for their sake and not one's own in some sense, is a spook.
The problem there has to do with how altruism can possibly originate, and this is either solved or exacerbated by self-reflection and (through academic sources) inquiring how it works with others; if I do good for no reason outside of itself, it remains mysterious and unanswered why I subjectively felt like choosing it, if it was out of duty or obligation then it was merely a chore which I did not truly consent to or desire, or if I did not choose it at all then we just have hollow compulsion. In either case, nothing for the other person is truly felt or said to be felt.

However, when I observe the good or bad fortune of those around me, I feel their emotion and sense their experience, they are a conscious mind much like myself and I personally find beauty or horror in their existence, such that it has a weight on my mind directly proportional to the type and intensity of their own experience. In response, and because I prefer a beautiful existence over an ugly one, I choose to help however I can and bring them closer to happiness. In laymen's terms, I have empathy and this allows me to give a damn about others. Is it self-servicing egoism? Correct, but given that my happiness comes from that of others, the point seems to have no edge.

Also, while it is true that when faced with immediate death the human being will generally act in whatever way is seen to ensure survival, it is also true that the human body is a survival machine which will prioritize certain processes and stop them if it can give energy to other processes more directly involved with avoiding bodily harm; the mind will be involuntarily warped by the body, and so we lose the ability to ascribe guilt to anyone acting out of survival instinct in a painful moment. Ditto, we cannot ascribe guilt to crimes that have not been committed, even ones that would definitely be committed given certain circumstances favoring it's commitment.
Otherwise...we should give the title of "stoner" to everybody, because hypothetical exposure to THC would get us all high.
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>>229287
>Then it is merely coincidental that the wishes of the state and the wishes of you yourself coincide

Our wishes don't coincide. The police just aren't openly predatory without provocation in most cases. I don't trust them, but for the most part their actions are predictable. I know what causes them to be predatory, so I avoid doing any of those things if they are near by. It's not about trust, it's about understanding.

Regular people are much less predictable, and therefore more dangerous.

There is no "trust" involved anywhere in this equation, just different levels of predictability.

I survive by estimating what people are going to do before they do it and predicting what people are going to think before they think it. I'm not always correct, but I have become quite good at using this method to survive. This is why nearly all of my posts get edited or why my responses seem to come quicker than they should considering the amount I type.

It's because after I post something, I re-read it about a dozen times, try to speculate any questions people may have about what I wrote and then counter those questions before they ask them.

Or in the case of a full reply, often I'm already writing a reply to someone before they reply to me, estimating what the contents of their post is going to be before they post it, and then just make adjustments based on what they actually post.
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>>229287
>(Good Lord, what happened while I was away?)


I dunno, you slacker.

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>>229290
Looks like he went on vacation again.

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>>228891
Facebook is awesome.

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>>229287
>However, when I observe the good or bad fortune of those around me, I feel their emotion and sense their experience, they are a conscious mind much like myself and I personally find beauty or horror in their existence, such that it has a weight on my mind directly proportional to the type and intensity of their own experience. In response, and because I prefer a beautiful existence over an ugly one, I choose to help however I can and bring them closer to happiness. In laymen's terms, I have empathy and this allows me to give a damn about others. Is it self-servicing egoism? Correct, but given that my happiness comes from that of others, the point seems to have no edge.


Yeah, this theoretical cognitive empathy is cute and shit, but can you actually demonstrate on average that an overwhelming majority of people work on this kind of empathy, rather than a much more basic visceral drive that essentially says "pretty people good, ugly people get my fist?" What's your syndicalist utopia's non-coercive mechanism for disposing of all the people who regularly act on the latter protocol to the immediate detriment of those unable to protect themselves?

I know law isn't always impartial and targets the innocent just about as often as the guilty, but what you're proposing entirely discards the means to enforce even any attempt at control of these free radicals at all, instead counting on a unanimous calculation of common good in every human's mind as your only layer of protection from violence being started.

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I have one for local MtG events, since they only wanna organize there.

I haven't checked it in a couple months. My sister once tried to start a conversation with me, but I just never remember to check the place. I don't have a reason to.

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>>229296

Personally, I'll claim up and down that most people don't go around thinking "God, if only that cop wasn't there I could go around punching people for being ugly." But I won't deny there's always those few on the edge of the bell curve who are super fucked up, perhaps even by nature.

I might be reading wrong, but I don't think Macaroni is proposing abolition of all law and policing. Saying people have some good in them doesn't mean you're gonna deny that some people will screw with you for laughs. But if you want a proposal...

My proposal would be to obey those laws that you yourself consider to be a good idea. If you don't have time to think them through, or you don't trust your own judgement, you need to find friends, people you directly verified (to the best of your ability) not to be screwing with you. There is no universal law, only the reasoning of your friends, because we don't have the power to verify if an entire nation has been hoodwinked. And if your friends don't know, they can ask their friends recursively, but eventually you're gonna be at the point where you can't trust the veracity of someone's words. Then, you don't believe them. If they say something's the law, you fight for your own justice. If they have power over you, you take power from them. If they have influence to use against you, you expose who they truly are to their friends.

The problem isn't whether to smack down assholes who'd kill you for looking at them wrong. The problem is we have no way to tell whether the authorities claiming to make, or be the law are those assholes or not. It's not that enforcement of the law is bad. It's that "the law" has to be passed to us from people who we have the power to verify their trustworthiness. And knowing those people, we have to trust them, not the guys on T.V. claiming to have the biggest armies.

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>>229278
>but consistently fail to
how?

>it's really not that different than trusting in an environment where church and state were NOT separate and religions acted as police

the principles that are protected in these two cases are completely different, as I said two times before

Hunter Alyx (ID: ed137d)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  229394

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I've been using Twitter for furry shit

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>>229394
Oh yeah I should make one to follow all the tits on Twitter myself, keep forgetting.

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>>229395
Is it even possible to fallow all the tits on twitter?

Also, Tits on Twitter would make a good indy rock band name.
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>>229398
It is my dream to achieve one day.

Tits on Tweets

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>>229395
What are ya? Some sorta perv?

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>>229403
At least I'm not a dirty furfag

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>>229404
ur just mad jel

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>>229404
I doubt that you aren't.

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>>229404
Gas the furfags!

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>>229406
ok den


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